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#suggestions-discussion
grim tusk
The reasoning could be improved to be less of a complaint but yes good idea
brazen pier
This may be the wrong channel to ask, but
out of curiosity
how does suggestion bot know when to put something up for a vote?
tranquil perch
@lunar sky Install fargo's mutant mod 
tranquil perch
how does suggestion bot know when to put something up for a vote?
Exactly 24 hours after the sugg was posted iirc
grim tusk
how does suggestion bot know when to put something up for a vote?
24 hours have passed and theres no ❗
brazen pier
Cool
twilit warren
drinking game for this channel: take a shot everytime someone says iirc
eternal escarp
no iirc
grim tusk
drinking game for this channel: take a shot everytime someone says iirc
Liver dies
twilit warren
yes
fossil finch
true drinking game: Take a shot every time a bad sugg is send to oblivion
eternal escarp
omw to become drunk beyond repair
lunar sky
<@!694961358231437352> Install fargo's mutant mod <:wegud:704021634281111722>
I’m a bit of a purist so I prefer to keep calamity and Fargo’s separated, as stupid as that sounds.
vital condor
To be fair
Fargo's MUTANT mod is just QoL additions like the multi-boss spawners
it's the SOUL mod that's the content mod to be avoided with calamity
lunar sky
Story is very important to me so it feels weird to use two content mods together, and I consider both Fargo’s mods to be the same... I guess universe?
I dunno
vital condor
fair enough
lunar sky
Thanks for the advice though
vital condor
np 👍
sly forge
@ashen warren Don't post things like that in here, you've been muted.
vital condor
...now that's a dodgy name
sly forge
They've left anyway.
solid tartan
lmfao the name
lunar sky
What did they post
solid tartan
idk
vital condor
you don't wanna know.
earnest cape
they're punished now move on
rugged belfry
drinking game for this channel: take a shot everytime someone says iirc
I say it so much lol
not as much here, but more in other server
languid temple
Ok
cosmic karma
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/835855283582140416 honestly i dont like this suggestion because qol mods exist and the reason they exist is because, well, its qol
though adamantite railgun would sate my adamantite hatred
hollow shell
(There is already a Titanium Railgun equivalent for Adamantite coming next update)
still zodiac
(and both ores will spawn anyway)
hollow shell
(What)
still zodiac
The early HM progression change, no?
Both types of t1, t2 and t3 ores will spawn after killing bosses
hollow shell
Is it confirmed to be both types?
hollow shell
That could mean either
But
It does seem like it means both based on how Fab's talking about it
still zodiac
Yeah
dusk adder
hollow shell
byeah
still zodiac
Yeah that
rugged belfry
FAQ says it'll spawn both ores
warm scarab
safe oasis
ok so i read this sugg like 7 times now and i have no idea what's happening still
earnest cape
@wicked fossil read the top pin
rugged belfry
oh
earnest cape
no weapon balance suggs allowed for now
wicked fossil
oka
safe oasis
overused joke and not for this channel
wicked fossil
I did not see that 🙂
rugged belfry
overused joke and not for this channel
👀 You saw nothing...
rugged belfry
Nooo
languid temple
K
earnest cape
thanks for your contribution to the chat
rugged belfry
lmao
agile bolt
I can maybe understand the mech random spawnings but events like bloodmoon/solar eclipse should easily be countered. When you beat cryogen you can quickly just make the cosmolight which just straight up gives you the ability to skip those events, i also think it can just skip the natural spawning of mech bosses?
frozen hornet
You could just go underground when the message appears
agile bolt
I think that if you turn it into daytime the mech boss wont spawn? but not 100% sure since i always just went underground
candid grove
imagine using cosmolight and not marble and granite dials xddd
eternal escarp
marble and granite dials?
candid grove
sundial and moondial
eternal escarp
you mean enchanted sundial?
candid grove
watch me misremember and they're from some qol mod
earnest cape
.....why?
rose latch
because cool is not reason
eternal escarp
make the dungeon a little more unique
sounds like a reason, but personally this reason sounds really incorrect, cant imagine just being in the dungeon and being flashed in a game like terraria, it would just make the dungeon worse
rose latch
it's already pretty unique anyway
there are paladins
the 3 casters
bone lee
snipers
and tactical skeleton
eternal escarp
well i wouldnt say those enemies make it unique
rose latch
and then the usual fighter enemies
sleek turret
you literally have
eternal escarp
byeah dungeon has its own feeling
cobalt pewter
> make the dungeon a little more unique
sounds like a reason, but personally thi...
The reason is valid but for the wrong reasons
English moment
eternal escarp
The reason is valid but for the wrong reasons
yeah i didnt know how to word that there
thanks
sleek turret
3 ranged enemies
3 mages
1 fucking hihg speed bone man
crude geode
Dungeon is already fairly unique tbfh. Also each of the skeletons usually only do one thing.
Sniper shoots you for one gajillion damage
Rocket Launcher hits you no matter what
Tactical Skeleton shotguns you
rose latch
the casters all have their own thing
sleek turret
yeah that too
eternal escarp
tactical skeleton looks like he would have a flash grenade of some kind
also, what
rose latch
some of the most unique non boss enemies in terraria
rose latch
because they need light to find the light switches
eternal escarp
earnest cape
@tight nacelle ^^ read above
crude geode
Appears to be a ding dong ditch
earnest cape
you don't have to be offline to ding dong ditch
tight nacelle
ok i read above
tight nacelle
im no devil
earnest cape
...its a phrase
eternal escarp
being to specific as a whole is bad iirc
sleek turret
yeah
rose latch
yeah
rose latch
but there's no actual rule for enemies
sleek turret
being specific counts for every type of suggestion
rose latch
yeah thought so
sleek turret
not sure about server ones
earnest cape
SIS's been bent a bit over time and used for everything that counts as "too specific"
eternal escarp
yeah SIS is just another thing of its own due to the fact it used to be way more frequent afaik
byeah its basically specifity as a whole
crude geode
Laying out the exact details of a new enemy, such as appearance, drop rates for items, and money drops would probably get SIS-ed. Saying something like “Add more Phantoplasm enemies” and then providing ideas such as “Ectoplasmic Furniture Mimics” would likely not be.
sleek turret
it really depends on wording
rose latch
but something like a flashbang for a certain enemy that lasts around 7 seconds is very specific
eternal escarp
its less specific then some other stuff
although it is a kinda specific attack for a specific enemy
crude geode
I’d argue the specific nature of it matters less than the actual reasoning behind the suggestion.
If we were talking about like Crimson v Corruption I would agree they need to each be more unique, but there’s no comparison made to show the dungeon being unoriginal.
rose latch
well yes
crude geode
It’s adding a solution to a problem that really doesn’t exist.
eternal escarp
and the solution is kindof a problem of its own tbf
rose latch
me pressing the opposite direction to dodge flash in terraria
crude geode
@zenith hazel Thoughts on the latest suggestion, the flash bang one?
rose latch
flashes in terraria would be so easy to dodge
eternal escarp
but would also just be generally annoying
(also 7 seconds is way too long in any case lmfao)
zenith hazel
it has little to no reasoning
zenith hazel
not even csgo is that brutal in terms of flashbangs
eternal escarp
ikr
zenith hazel
why should terraria be
eternal escarp
rose latch
I start malding from being flashed in csgo or valorant for like a second
crude geode
Because odd mushroom clearly isn’t enough to kill players’ eyes 
crude geode
it has little to no reasoning
@tight nacelle See the above convo for thoughts regarding your suggestion.
tight nacelle
i did
eternal escarp
if you want the mark removed you could fix your sugg to acompany the thoughts and convos here and shtuff
earnest cape
then fix your suggestion to the problems that's been mentioned
rose latch
the problem is that the suggestion has no reason to exist though
so the first thing that needs to be done
is to find a reason
earnest cape
it just doesn't have enough reasoning
anything's welcome as long as it abides by the rules and has reasoning
and is something about the mod
for mod suggestions
rose latch
I think if you have to look for a reason for a suggestion, rather than having a reason from the start
then the suggestion doesn't really need to exist
eternal escarp
yeah, basically
safe oasis
@flat herald recipe at the end is unnecessary, otherwise valid
flat herald
<@!432943928011128852> recipe at the end is unnecessary, otherwise valid
well the idea is more targeted towards early game, crabulon stage. Waiting for the biome to expand itself is rather slow as I mentioned and it would certainly speed up the process
clever dagger
i thought crab didnt enrage
earnest cape
he has 2 enrage stages
cobalt pewter
Crab enrages in current ver
earnest cape
being on surface and being outside biome
flat herald
i thought crab didnt enrage
according to the wiki it enrages in
a) other biome
b) surface
and both stack
clever dagger
also honestly theres not a single time ive found a mushroom biome that wasnt big enough to spawn him
safe oasis
well the idea is more targeted towards early game, crabulon stage. Waiting for t...
yes but including a recipe with numbers isn't necessary to get that point across
crude geode
^
earnest cape
spawning him and fighting him is different
earnest cape
fighting him in your traditional mushroom biome is cbt
clever dagger
welp
earnest cape
anyway
clever dagger
to be fair its crabulon you dont need the most dodging room
earnest cape
yeah what psychic said
flat herald
yes but including a recipe with numbers isn't necessary to get that point across
it was my first suggestion, wasn't quite sure how much detail I should include despite the do's and don'ts
crude geode
It’s okay, just remove the specifics of the recipe
clever dagger
yeah recipe is too much detail
earnest cape
its alright
flat herald
yeah, removed it now, thanks for the feedback 
safe oasis
👍
crude geode
Also like...I don’t think it’s that’s difficult to build a house in the mushroom biome (the only setup needed to get Dryad to sell glowing mushroom seeds)
safe oasis
well you need to first build a house, then hope someone else doesn't move in instead of the dryad, then wait for it to be night so dryad teleports in
kind of annoying to actually try to do that
clever dagger
thats like 5 minutes of messing around
crude geode
You don’t have excess housing made via very legitimate methods cheat sheet
earnest cape
just do it at night and have the npc spawning config cranked up and nighttime npc spawns enabled
:sungla
clever dagger
aha im not the only person who does that lmao
crude geode
Mhm. Speeds up the process of making slum hotels in the sky very humane housing for NPCs
earnest cape
crude geode
Byeah personally I dislike the suggestion because making a house in a mushroom biome and moving the Dryad there is...not difficult.
earnest cape
maybe mention dryad selling the seeds and explain why crafting it is better?
flat herald
I'll try to think of something or remove the suggestion, thanks guys
crude geode
The suggestion is valid, just my personal opinion.
safe oasis
he already did tho
fading silo
Why does amidias not sell seashells, coral, starfish and shark fins? I never questioned it until recently.
sleek turret
Maybe because it bloats the shop store?
sleek turret
Or just basically because AS and DS alredy drop them.
cobalt pewter
You can get the first 3 from killing Cnidrions and DS
sleek turret
Except Shark Fins
fading silo
He barely sells anything at all.
cobalt pewter
Shark Fins, doesn't seem to fit Amidias' store as much as I don't recall stuff resembling sharks in sunken sea
fading silo
It’s just prehardmode and ds and acid rain summoning
sleek turret
So its easier to sell the Desert Medallion for DS for the materials rather than the NPC selling it.
earnest cape
a good way of farming shark fins is farming maulers because yessssssssssssssssssssss
cobalt pewter
H
fading silo
No
sleek turret
maulers pre-hardmode
eternal escarp
amidias, as already stated, already technically sells those in the form of DS and AS spawns
theres more ways, but the boss is prolly the easier way to gether these tbf
fading silo
Still tho
earnest cape
i mean if you really want thos ematerials go fishing for abyssal crates they give a fuck ton farm cnidrons underground
fossil finch
Why would he sell sea goodies out of all things
fading silo
He has prehardmode and summoning items that’s it iirc
fossil finch
He's been trapped on a big clam for some years already
On a sea that has none of that
He literally has weapons
fading silo
It’s more like a cave
fossil finch
And he's guide but pog
eternal escarp
making him just sell sea shells on the sea shore side would kinda make DS drops and obsolete, and if those were to be removed his connection to victide loosense(?) more
fading silo
I feel like his usefulness ends after AS and acid rain t2 cause I believe after t2 he sells the caustic tear.
But that’s not what I’m talking about
He’s a seahorse, right?
eternal escarp
he also sells the bloodworm for OD
and, i assume he is a seahorse
and another thing
he doesnt need to be relevent forever
fossil finch
He's an humanoid seahorse
cobalt pewter
The breathing buff he gives is mighty useful iirc
fossil finch
(Species?) Originary from his own kingdom
eternal escarp
although, i would have liked him to get the permafrost treatement (slowly getting more weapon sales for that area of the game)
fossil finch
Also making his sell those things wouldn't make him more useful late game
eternal escarp
itll still be more efficient to farm bosses then buying it yes
fading silo
He just sells a bunch of prehardmode weapons and those are the only weapons he will sell
cobalt pewter
although, i would have liked him to get the permafrost treatement (slowly gettin...
Yeah that could be nice throughout phm, as permafrost's shop expands throughout hm iirc
In case of weapons
fading silo
Imagine upgrading the hermit crab summon to flak crabs?
eternal escarp
ngl that sounds like a nice idea, but SIS 
actually
i wonder
would suggesting amidias to behave like Permafrost's sales be a fine suggestion?
cobalt pewter
Sure?
fossil finch
holy shit make this a reality
Hermit Crabs Acid Rain T2 Flak Crab Upgrade
fading silo
I wish
clever dagger
y e s
eternal escarp
would basically make him a bit more usefull for players (+ more consistent with other NPCs ig?)
fossil finch
Brb going to vc4 and telling fab
eternal escarp
river glen
is ninja rogue armor or still throwing
fossil finch
i was obviously joking
fading silo
Throwing
clever dagger
throwing
fossil finch
Still throwing
river glen
rip
clever dagger
one of the donts is changing between classes and stuff
clever dagger
even so, if the current spawnrates are there it would still be a pain
fossil finch
Bloodworm spawrate's getting buffed next update
You could wait until that's done and see later
earnest cape
fading silo
Upgrade sand dollar or snap clam to trilobite 
clever dagger
i looked in changelogs and saw like 5 separate spawn rate boosts lol
alright ill delete sugg for now then
what point in changelogs is current update
nvm im dumb
eternal escarp
Make Amidias' behave like Permafrost in their shop aspect
Permafrost is an NPC known to sell quite a bit of nice weapons (and various items) from Cryogens defeat until almost Pre-Golem (due to his "tiered" weapon selling) which makes Permafrost more relevant in that part of the game, aiding the player gain weapons without the need to grind and has reliable and easy to access weapons and gear.
Sadly, the same couldn't be said about Amidias:
Amidias is an NPC the average Calamity player will almost SURELY meet, yet his relevance is little gameplay wise, he has 1 set of weapons for the player at that tier, and the water themed boss summons every now and then, making him pretty much irrelevent for the player after the first time they meet.
My proposal to make Amidias more relevant for a period of time, like with Permafrost, will likely lead the player to have more reliable weapon options, and add more variety to pre-HM in regards of weapon options, and can also lead the player to seek out different events (like how Permafrost rewards the player for defeating the Frost Moon).
does this cover most of the points and stuff needed?
(and hopefully it actually makes sense and is readable)
ill just, post it for now ig
cobalt pewter
@eternal escarp I'd include the water breathing buff he'd give for his current stuff
eternal escarp
oh yeah, you are right
added, kindof
dunno if its commonly used ever outside of the first and second abyss trips
fading silo
I still wish we could have a hermit crab upgrade to flak crabs and the sand dollar/snap clam to a trilobite.
We have the materials
To possibly make it
It’s just stats and attacks....and maybe some spriting and various things.
eternal escarp
too bad you cant donate for weapons currently, eh
((although ngl i did kinda hint that he could get relevancy after an event (which is acid rain at that time) so lole))
fading silo
I’d rather not donate for something. I love this mod, but I’d rather save my money.
Also snap clam into giant clam variant
mossy vapor
I've read somewhere that you can repost suggestions if its been a week and it reached the star requirement
is that true?
dapper coral
you can repost your own suggestion if it's been a week+ and it did not reach the star req
river glen
time to repost every single suggestion i had that didnt get 200
fading silo
I’m sorry, but I’m chuckling at the idea of reposting something that already reached the requirement.
Not hysterical, but it got a small laugh out of me
mossy vapor
mine has reached the requirement but its buried so deep in the channel now 😔
zenith hazel
then link the message if it wasn't delivered
fading silo
It’s ok. That means it was sent or not
mossy vapor
then link the message if it wasn't delivered
which channel?
dapper coral
link the message link here
dapper coral
so we can deliver it
mossy vapor
on it
fading silo
Stupid bot ruining suggestions, but it’s better than having one or more people posting them to the voting channel. Cause people can’t stay awake 24/7 and can’t be on 24/7
zenith hazel
notified amber of bot being down
fading silo
That kind of sucks ngl.
zenith hazel
give me a sec
mossy vapor
oki
zenith hazel
done
river glen
why do worm bosses spawn coiled up anyways
why does a boss like aquatic scourge not spawn coiled up
or does it do so offscreen
brazen pier
I think it's mainly because an entire worm spawning uncoiled would result in a large area suddenly being covered in danger with no warning
hollow shell
The actual alternative is having the worms "spawn" one segment at a time
However I'm pretty sure that's just done by making the segments visible and tangible one segment at a time, they do still spawn all at once
I imagine actually assembling the worm segment by segment would cause all kinds of buggy behavior...
robust lava
I was gonna say, spawning the worm segment by segment sounds like you're asking for bugs
crude geode
#suggestions-voting message
Is that why this suggestion was denied
hollow shell
I assume so.
ashen warren
DoG with one segment
crude geode
Multiplayer lags
The DoG with only one segment
ashen warren
tail doesn't exist
limber ocean
the crags sugg is at 200 stars
hollow shell
aight
hollow shell
@pulsar rose You need to format your suggestion properly, with a separate title line and reason/elaboration below
(Separate as in use Shift+Enter to make a line break)
Also, you need more reason to support your suggestion
pulsar rose
ah like what for example
hollow shell
Well, why do you think this would be a good idea?
fossil finch
also kinda specific byea
pulsar rose
as it could make fights take a bit less time and some gear thats focussed on inflicting debuffs could be viable for longer
hollow shell
That first reason isn't great but the second one has some merit to it
in that a lot of DoT debuffs are underpowered
twilit warren
Well debuffs aren’t very helpful in the current game maybe the potion would help them be more viable
Yea
hollow shell
But I don't think Ichor or Cursed Inferno (with Calamity's DR reduction) need to be any more powerful
twilit warren
Makes certain debuffs stronger perhaps?
hollow shell
Or relegate it only to damage over time debuffs
pulsar rose
that sounds pretty solid
I'm just trying to think of what debuffs would'nt be affected
what do you guys think about those that should'nt be affected
hollow shell
Is there a problem with limiting it only to DoTs
pulsar rose
if we are talking about DoTs would'nt plague be overpowered
twilit warren
Maybe it could double the duration of debuffs instead of the power?
pulsar rose
things like flames would still be useless then
twilit warren
Might make stuff like Lunic eye less bothersome to use
pulsar rose
the aim is to make the early game debuffs viable for longer
hollow shell
Theoretically those would have the same overall damage result, just one takes more time
duration vs power.
twilit warren
Not necessarily if you are consistently applying the debuff
pulsar rose
you know it would probably be easier to discuss this in a vc
crude geode
Most discussions about suggestions go on in suggestions discussions tbfh
hollow shell
Well I also want to ask
If your reasoning is going to be that DoT debuffs are generally underpowered (which is what I assume your reason will be), why not make the suggestion just be to make DoT debuffs stronger? Buff them overall.
Instead of tying it to a new potion.
You could still suggest that it be tied to a new potion but you probably should make an argument for why it should be that specifically
in your reason.
pulsar rose
because I came up with the name before I went to sleep one night
thats where the idea came from
hollow shell
mmm
Generally the thought process behind a suggestion should be
identifying a problem, and then coming up with a solution to it
Rather than thinking up a 'solution' and then working out what problems it could solve
pulsar rose
dude I was almost asleep when I thought of this
grim tusk
Sugg is a SIS, what Rover said and those debuffs are powerful enough
DR decrease is most of the time making a massive difference in boss fights and ichor makes fast low dmg weapons hit pretty high dps (and heck defense on most bosses is getting reduced next patch so it will be way more effective)
hollow shell
dude I was almost asleep when I thought of this
Yeah but that's the thing
The suggestions system here is pretty formal
Shouldn't really suggest quick tired ideas like that
pulsar rose
and it also comes from the experience of debuffs except ichor and cursed inferno being pretty bad
hollow shell
You can salvage it but you gotta rewrite it
pulsar rose
I'm gonna keep it real with you I have the brain capacity of a rock
hollow shell
Damn 😔
twilit warren
i could rewrite it
pulsar rose
if you would like to you're welcome to
twilit warren
soooo DoT debuffs it doesnt apply to, it doubles the power of debuffs right?
and to balance it it should probably be locked behind some sort of late progression point
maybe astrum deus
pulsar rose
no it does apply to DoTs just not all of them
pulsar rose
plague would be overpowered with it
twilit warren
ehh
idk about that
so it inflicts 50 hp per second of dmg which would be doubled to a 100
idk if thats too op especially against bosses with hundreds of thousands of HP
pulsar rose
you know what you're right
pulsar rose
looks like someone beat me to the punch
twilit warren
forgive the wordy nature of the sugg
pulsar rose
so then I guess my suggestion ain't needed
tranquil perch
#suggestions-voting message
Mark sugg with 🏁 pls
pulsar rose
well I'm gonna head out
tranquil perch
It's in changelogs
fading silo
Wait debuff strengthening? That sounds bad but then you have those items that give benefits when debuffs occur? I’m confused as to why you would want debuffs to last longer?
Btw. What if we had a lunic eye sentry summon or a lunic eye upgrade that shoots a stronger beam.😂
rugged belfry
Strengthen debuffs you give, strengthen debuffs you receive.
ashen warren
by "strengthening debuffs" does it mean the debuffs you inflict are stronger or the things like the alchols that give debuffs are stronger
brazen pier
Judging by context it probably means debuffs you inflict
hollow shell
That could be clarified
"Add a potion that strengthens debuffs the player inflicts on enemies"
mayb
rugged belfry
Yeah, I assumed they meant strengthens debuffs they take, as a challenge
hollow shell
@twilit warren
twilit warren
I fixed it
hollow shell
could also go in the title line but ye thanks
safe oasis
for current sugg, why not just make them better by default instead of requiring yet another buff slot
river glen
would something to buff ninja armor be a fine sugg
since its outclassed, and throwing is not a good class in general
hollow shell
Weird situation
Cuz we'd rather not touch throwing at all if we can help it
considering it's guaranteed to die
earnest cape
eah
river glen
ehh
dapper coral
it would be decidedly against calamity's anti-throwing precedent, yeah
river glen
i guess i will wait until 1.4
since its being changed then
what will happen to obsidian armor btw
crude geode
likely left as summoner. Rogue has a decent amount of gear now so it isn't too necessary tbh
burnt bough
Cuz we'd rather not touch throwing at all if we can help it
why not make all throwing stuff rogue instead?
hollow shell
Because those weapons are turning into Ranged in 1.4
That change would only be temporary and it would fuck with mod compatibility
earnest cape
yeah
dreamy trellis
also throwing is slightly different than rogue
earnest cape
it's mentioned in the "don'ts" doc pinned i think
dreamy trellis
in a sense that a granny smith apple is different than a normal red apple
earnest cape
not really the channel
languid temple
K
earnest cape
can you not
stone crescent
It would be sweet if victide bars were placeable. Pretty much all the other bars are. I wanna make the victide pyramid 😦
earnest cape
wait victice bars aren't placeable?
stone crescent
they arent yeah
violet sierra
that sounds like a good sugg to me
eternal escarp
iirc victide is currently one the few bars with no placable sprites yeah
(oh wow now i noticed the time diff between the messages 
)
cobalt pewter
You can't really suggest placable bars iirc
You might need to wait for someone at calart to sprite placed bars
eternal escarp
rugged belfry
It would be sweet if victide bars were placeable. Pretty much all the other bars...
You should suggest that 👍
stone crescent
okay
stone crescent
i was reading the rules. i only see no "requesting resprites"
wait
at the very bottom
"placeable calamity bars"
dam
languid temple
K
languid temple
wait victice bars aren't placeable?
In magic storage it's not in placeables
frail mantle
then be somewhere else
hollow shell
Wish I saw this earlier but yeah
@languid temple You've been posting a lot of random unprompted messages in this channel, I will Warn you if you do it again
earnest cape
hollow shell
Actually, scratch that
You have kind of a poor message history Slimeybox, I'll Warn you right now. Try to be more on-topic and less meme-y in general.
cobalt pewter
oof
fossil finch
stealth is not in favor of shroomite
eternal escarp
stealth is indeed kinda bad but it is also a thing shroomite has that necro doesnt
overall i personally like the sugg byeah
cobalt pewter
let's just buff Shroomite stealth and rebalance everything else about it
wise sapphire
~~stealth is not in favor of shroomite~~
well that's kinda true
cobalt pewter
wise sapphire
but necro really doesn't have any advantage at all
I edited other ideas in the bottom too
crude geode
Bone wings kinda exist
gray nebula
and the synergy is kinda silly
crude geode
Indeed, but it is still there
I have a more major problem with it tbh, which that uh
pick your choice between 3 armors 
Reaver, Shroomite, and Necro
sleek turret
personally I think Bone wings should get reworked to not boost Necro armor, but increase damage for all armors.
crude geode
Bone Wings boosting Necro is an interesting idea on paper, but the point in progression is so chock full of gear that it just becomes bloat.
sleek turret
that's the problem I'm seeing
now basically there's a bloat of armors in there
basically atleast in pre-golem post-plantera there's 2 sets dedicated to every class
except ranged
which has 3
earnest cape
and the synergy is kinda silly
it's the same case as clam adding auric toilet
it's silly but now you must care for it
cause you made it
crude geode
Except it can be removed
earnest cape
i know they're different but sh
crude geode
Or moved in progression
Unlike removing toilet which would cause a very stupid outrage
earnest cape
crude geode
I would suggest bone wing get moved to like post-t2 HM anvil (but that’s future content). Gives it another interesting time to shine but not in a bloated place of progression.
earnest cape
imma be blunt Idt it'll get to star req
hollow shell
pick your choice between 3 armors <:taxevasion:611637175381000193> Reaver, Shroo...
Getting (partly) remedied next update
earnest cape
poggies
crude geode
I’m not really up to date on exactly what the Reaver rework entails tbh, so idk if that’s true tbh
cobalt pewter
It'll be omniclass
hollow shell
Yeah it's no longer class specific
But it will have multiple helmets that fulfill different purposes
crude geode
sounds weird
hollow shell
It will be a bit weird, but that's good
crude geode
~~and very not specific ~~
crude geode
Intriguing
hollow shell
so, yeah that shortens your list to Necro and Shroom
crude geode
I need to hop back on my bandwagon of getting late-hm reworked once draedon/residual patches afterwards drop because god it’s dumb. Seeing what y’all did with Early HM has me hopeful for potential changes to LC-and-Golem-ish progression points.
crude geode
I find it especially blugh because you (supposedly, tho I doubt anyone does it) have chlorophyte mining for the actual chlorophyte armor, and then more chlorophyte for shroomite/spectre bars for mage/summoner
and then dump it after the next boss for hydrothermic
frozen hornet
Isn't necro pre-HM?
hollow shell
Calamity makes it so Bone Wings give you a huge stat boost while you wear Necro with them
frozen hornet
I see
hollow shell
Making them into a pretty viable armor set post-Plant
frozen hornet
I see it now thank
vital condor
Unlike removing toilet which would cause a ~~very stupid~~ outrage
unrelated, but I read this as "outage" and spent two minutes grimacing at whatever sort of outage an auric toilet could cause
More on topic, yeah things are pretty damn funky at that point in the game
making the bone feather easier to get is maybe a solution, but it's not a great one
cobalt pewter
Fab likes late HM, so chances of getting it redone completely (which is what I assumed from you about late HM, Cursed) is slim
Though Ozz did say smth about making Cultist not a joke for Soon™
(Aka idk if it's 1.5 or not)
fossil finch
They are aware of the funne cultist problem
candid grove
wait no i want ez boss
frozen hornet
No 
crude geode
wait no i want ez boss
Go play normal mode
candid grove
D:
earnest cape
languid temple
Wish I saw this earlier but yeah
<@!473618348433866752> You've been posting a lo...
Mk
bye
candid grove
i found all the hp upgrades very quickly except for blueberries
crude geode
Isn’t this already getting changed next update?
earnest cape
should we ask a dev?
sleek cloud
sleek turret
so, is my suggestion fine or it needs something to fix?
shrewd furnace
its good
candid grove
yeah
shrewd furnace
it will make abyss crates consistent with all other crates
safe oasis
wouldn't the crate dropping an abyssal lock box instead of a weapon be better though
to be more consistent with vanilla
candid grove
isnt that the suggestion
safe oasis
and you can still get the basic abyss materials
isn't the suggestion making the crates require a key
or am i just being slow 
sleek turret
fixed it
candid grove
now its edited but before it said that it would include a lock box in the drop pool
sleek turret
how is it now Psychic?
safe oasis
👍
rugged belfry
I like the Abyssal Lock Box suggestion
earnest cape
so you're saying make last adrenaline upgrade locked behind a boss that's fightable right after moon lord
also with the rebalancing and how old duke works his drops will be 100% worth it since being an optional boss as well as being pretty hard
clever dagger
it does depend on how the drops get balanced, but as of right now he really doesnt feel worth it to fight
cobalt pewter
so you're saying make last adrenaline upgrade locked behind a boss that's fighta...
SG is fightable preboss, and Aureus is fightable from the start of hm, what's yer point
clever dagger
levi/ana is pre boss
ashen warren
Fighting achloholism is pre-birth
earnest cape
difference is SG and aureus is balanced after skelly and plant respectively while I saw piky testing OD with stellar striker
which is a weapon right after ml
clever dagger
od is balanced post polter and even then its a very difficult boss
cobalt pewter
Just because OD is doable with a pre provi weapon doesn't mean that it's intended to be fought at that point
OD is still balanced around pre DoG (or post-Polter?)
clever dagger
its definitely post polter pre dog
dapper coral
those are basically the same tier so yes
ashen warren
I dunno, I fought him post dog in normal mode and took like 800 damage in one hit
cobalt pewter
And even then, mis' point doesn't stand well because, uh, polter is also fightable pre provi
earnest cape
ravager is a boss you can fight right after wof your point
clever dagger
the point is these bosses CAN be fought whenever because calamity is like that but that doesnt mean theyre balanced at that tier, od is balanced post polter so saying it can be fought post ml doesnt matter
ashen warren
The "boss order" in the wiki is completely misleading for new players
clever dagger
what does ut say ive never looked lol
ashen warren
It used to have Astrum Deus pre-Golem last I remembered
clever dagger
lol as and destroyer look like theyre chillin together
earnest cape
oh that
ashen warren
ye, he used to be where aureus is iirc
And Brimstone before Prime? She's more difficult than Scal Clone
ashen warren
And Brimstone before Prime? She's more difficult than Scal Clone
difficulty is subjective
i find her easier
clever dagger
imo shes harder
ashen warren
Unless you fill the screen with shit that kills you immediately, as opposed to not that
earnest cape
fuckatron metal sans anyway off topic
candid grove
just play normal mode xd
earnest cape
off topic move to a different channel
anyway
with your point of old duke's drops being not worth it, better save that for later since supposedly the entire game is being rebalanced
i say supposedly since I don't have confirmation if post mech bosses are also being rebalanced
and prehm too
ashen warren
ye, pretty sure old duke is going to be more worth it next update
dapper coral
those parts are no longer confirmed to be balanced for this update
earnest cape
pin?
dapper coral
the only things that are guaranteed to be balanced are post-ML and maybe mech tier since funne changes
uhhhhhh nah the pin still holds true
earnest cape
ah alright
earnest cape
you heard him elephant1234
ashen warren
Honestly having difficult bosses drop things that aren't remotely worth it is a Calamity Mod staple, you might as well remove the Angel Treads too
earnest cape
?
pine star
Honestly having difficult bosses drop things that aren't remotely worth it is a ...
Angel Treads are crafted
ashen warren
I'm saying you might as well remove everything else the mod does
candid grove
funy boot
ashen warren
That's the joke
earnest cape
They seem to not have replied so time to do the funny
earnest cape
the only things that are guaranteed to be balanced are post-ML and maybe mech ti...
@clever dagger this and read the messages above ot
clever dagger
okie ill delet
grim tusk
this is right so I don't know what you're talking about
Thing is bee, and the hives are technically same tier as are mechs + mech alts, levi and aureus and fishron and rav
earnest cape
That's because she's available any tier and doesnt need anything to be unlocked
With that logic eye is the same tier as scal
Which is not true
grim tusk
the point is these bosses CAN be fought whenever because calamity is like that b...
Also yea so you are sayin Yharon = Crabbulon in progression lmao
earnest cape
When saying the "same tier" you're talking about similar stats
And intended to be that stage
(Talking about your misuse of "same tier")
Also they clearly said "doesn't mean they're balanced at that tier" so i don't know where you got that from
zenith hazel
sugg bot's down, notified amber
ashen warren
Also yea so you are sayin Yharon = Crabbulon in progression lmao
Crabulon is endgame
smh
earnest cape
nice first impression, now you look dumb
hollow shell
@wind socket This ain't the server for that.
earnest cape
@stoic sluice make proper sugg formatting and reason
stoic sluice
is there any mod that does that
earnest cape
uhh I think luiafk or maybe fargos? makes truffle worms craftable, just need autohammer
safe oasis
if you mean like the sugg then not that i know of
earnest cape
yeah I don't know any mod that makes them post mech but post plant
whole sedge
I guess the closest might be imkSushi's mod with the truffle summoning potion but i dunno the recipe for that 
stoic sluice
uhh I think luiafk or maybe fargos? makes truffle worms craftable, just need aut...
Needs autohammer ,_,
earnest cape
it's the closest thing
stoic sluice
I almost always just cheat in truffle worms
warm scarab
@stoic sluice you do realize truffle can move in pre mech right
stoic sluice
I hate making mushroom biome
warm scarab
or how come it sells mushroom spear post mech according to wiki
it doesn't take long
stoic sluice
I'm lazy
warm scarab
just find a shroom biome and get some seeds
stoic sluice
Very lazy
dapper coral
kill crabulon for seedage
cobalt pewter
Then don't be lazy
dapper coral
easy gaming
warm scarab
that works
cobalt pewter
Galaxy brain moment
stoic sluice
just find a shroom biome and get some seeds
Bold of you to assume I don't just skip exploring underworld and use luiafk auto hellovator
warm scarab
Then don't be lazy
:NextTimeEatASalad:
dapper coral
- tbh eliminating the truffle's main gimmick because lazy is probably not the greatest reasoning
dapper coral
especially considering he's pretty niche anyways
stoic sluice
Bold of you to assume I don't just skip exploring underworld and use luiafk auto...
And then use crates and drops from cryogen to fight me he bypassing underground
warm scarab
at least it isn't bloodworm
cobalt pewter
Truffle should have more shop content imo
dapper coral
by no means an essential npc
earnest cape
ye
warm scarab
me he
stoic sluice
,_,
stoic sluice
What is ore in abyss
warm scarab
i think all of them does
earnest cape
scoria
warm scarab
What is ore in abyss
scoria but why do you ask here
stoic sluice
The scoria wings are a scam
cobalt pewter
Besides the funny Autohammer and some melee weapons
ashen warren
Truffle’s contribution in cal is just easy truffle worms and that’s it
stoic sluice
Oh
hollow shell
@stoic sluice Are you gonna edit your suggestion to be valid (formatting, reason) or should it just be deleted
stoic sluice
Deleted it
hollow shell
Alright
cobalt pewter
On the topic of blast's sugg about Amidias having more tiered stuff like Permafrost, I wonder why Bandit has items from pre WoF ALL THE WAY to post darksun
frozen hornet
Funne rogue
cobalt pewter
true
earnest cape
ravager 
cobalt pewter
warm scarab
@cobalt pewter afaik weak petrification halves wing time as well, so not necessarily "full mobility"
byeah
cobalt pewter
The flight stats aren't changed beyond flight time
Meanwhile the jumps can go fuck themselves
sharp prism
warm scarab
The flight stats aren't changed beyond flight time
ye
the jumps just
stopped existing
fossil finch
What the fuck is weak petrification
earnest cape
debuff you get inflicted in p2 rav
kills all double jump, cancels jump/flight speed modifiers and halves flight time
(oh and rocket boots is also dead)
sharp prism
:ravhager:
frozen hornet
No wonder rav feels so annoying to fight
cobalt pewter
@sage swallow you're talking about "classless" weapons, ye?
sage swallow
yea
cobalt pewter
Using that term would make it a bit clearer I think
Also whips sorta fill this role
gray nebula
please make summoners life even easier bla bla funny
sage swallow
yeah but whips arnt a thing, are they?
still zodiac
Yet
cobalt pewter
Yeah I see no reason for classless weapons to directly benefit summoner when they're branded as "classless"
safe oasis
pretty sure tagging is a thing already
earnest cape
stop summons from attacking weaker enemies
Tag the stronger enemies then use the classless weapon
still zodiac
pretty sure tagging is a thing already
When holding a summoner weapon and right clicking, yea
earnest cape
Summoner is already a pretty easy class to play; not too much effort needed to play the class so I don't know why this would be necessary
Or needed rather would be a better word
still zodiac
Besides its pretty much just a 4-5 second time between switching a summoner weapon and a classless one
Even less tbh
earnest cape
Just press the numbers on your keyboard
Ez
Also why are you minmaxing for dryad blessing
Its not worth it
sage swallow
it was just an example with the dryad
earnest cape
Summoner is already a pretty easy class to play; not too much effort needed to p...
can you answer this?
river glen
if ur fighting a boss they wil target it
it shouldnt be a problem to the point u need to target
sage swallow
well in case of the king slime for example: whenever he teleports the minions loose their target and will focus (at least in my case) the slimes and not the king
sage swallow
can you answer this?
well no not really
earnest cape
you should start on that then
also none of the classless weapons(besides marked magnum that needs hellstone so I won't count it) are obtainable at least pre-evil boss
sage swallow
i mean im struggeling at the slime god rn and the minions always keep getting distracted by lil shit surrounding the god
earnest cape
then right on ebonian/crimulan slime god
still zodiac
Using the summoner weapon, yeah
earnest cape
it'll stay focused until they split where you'd need to focus it again
sage swallow
.......... ;-;
earnest cape
actually I don't know if there's a set timer for lock on or not
sage swallow
yeah i see theres no reason for that
earnest cape
(oh btw aestheticus is a dedicated weapon)
sage swallow
no it is not
earnest cape
to the patreon donator "DevAesthetic"
sage swallow
;-;
warm scarab
warm scarab
<@!149223721700163584> opinion?
you pinging someone offline smh
hollow shell
<@!149223721700163584> opinion?
On what?
I presume a now-deleted suggestion
still zodiac
ye it was deleted
hollow shell
I see it, yeah
A blanket change to all classless weapons with regards to summon targeting likely would still affect Aestheticus
The suggestion isn't about Aestheticus specifically, it's about its weapon type
So I think that it's fine
er, past-tense
dapper coral
even improve areas where it could be falling behind (specially stealth oriented rogue)
considering stealth rogue is gonna be more gaming™️ in 1.5 idk if this point is especially relevant
grim tusk
yea i just reposted that sugg
dapper coral
ah
grim tusk
it got stuck at 170 stars
rugged belfry
They should just make effigies toggle-able in general
so you dont have to break them if you dont want the effects
dapper coral
i'm almost positive that the candles are already toggleable
grim tusk
maybe chaos and peace, but not cirrus's
warm scarab
@grim tusk vanilla candle cannot be toggled in 1.3 right, since when i right click them they just drop as an item
grim tusk
Wiring
warm scarab
wiring can do it?
earnest cape
yes
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
earnest cape
thinkies
pine star
heady storm
Rework when you could properly scale the hitbox mmmmm.
river glen
yeah, u can just make the hitbox bigger
heady storm
@cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
Mm
heady storm
For clarification; why a rework precisely when we could just transform the hitbox itself.
earnest cape
insert make omniblade work like wish murasama here
heady storm
(Going to suspend with an exclamation until you provide a proper incentive excluding "funny hitbox".)
worn salmon
chinese murasama
jagged zealot
So wait, do you guys put a suggestion here before suggestion voting?
earnest cape
suggestions are posted in #suggestions-posting and if it doesn't have any problems (❗) it gets posted in #suggestions-voting
jagged zealot
would suggesting a vanilla debuff rework be out of the question?
candid grove
check the do's and dont's
also i have no idea how to spell do's and dont's
is it that
or dos and donts
or dos and don'ts
earnest cape
~~chinese murasama~~
candid grove
or do's and don't's
earnest cape
would suggesting a vanilla debuff rework be out of the question?
no it wouldn't
jagged zealot
check the do's and dont's
I did, and I don't know if that means vanilla reworks?
jagged zealot
no it wouldn't
in that case, are there any enemies in calamity that do lightning damage?
earnest cape
you mean inflict electrified debuff?
from the top of my head the electric rods from martian invasion and cultist
jagged zealot
you mean inflict electrified debuff?
from the top of my head the electric rods f...
wait, doesn't dragonfolly do the same? Also, hate that name...
earnest cape
wait fuck you said calamity
rugged belfry
RIP Bumblebirb
earnest cape
in that case folly and storm weaver both inflict them
jagged zealot
wait fuck you said calamity
yep lol
doesn't it rain with storm weaver? or am I imagining the fight in the rain?
earnest cape
it spawns lightning orbs, the ones similar in the cultist fight as well as dashing which also inflicts it?
i need to recheck
jagged zealot
no, i mean does it rain the water storm rain when you fight him?
earnest cape
!wiki storm weaver
red stormBOT
earnest cape
so yes
jagged zealot
then I have a Idea that I think is good, but the community would probably hate me for....
and i don't to post it and make everyone come after me
eternal escarp
i mean
whos gonna care tbf (unless the sugg is just doing more bad then good, but even then we cant know till you pinch the idea out)
earnest cape
emote suggs
eternal escarp
ye
eternal escarp
i mean
jagged zealot
like that
eternal escarp
you can just say the idea here
ancient mirage
You don’t need to
eternal escarp
hitbox do not match the weapon
shouldnt it be a does?
cobalt pewter
beba?
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
Hitboxes, fuckin
heady storm
Alrighty you have my gratitude.
eternal escarp
double failure
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
Also Feedza, the funny gif is 2 years old
a
eternal escarp
i like how people just messanger info from inbetween channels
pine star
eternal escarp
as if its countries apart
heady storm
Has the predicament been solved.
eternal escarp
seems like it
pine star
Has the predicament been solved.
yes
dapper coral
mfw
eternal escarp
not testing ingame
jagged zealot
Everyone ready to see the joke that is my request? the one no one would approve because it would make environment or bosses harder?
It got really quiet.
earnest cape
people have lives.
jagged zealot
I know?
earnest cape
It got really quiet.
then don't say this cause it can annoy people
"haha hurdur dead chat"
jagged zealot
then don't say this cause it can annoy people
literally anything can annoy people.
jagged zealot
doesn't make it better
Just saying, it depends on the person what is and isn't annoying
earnest cape
"dead chat" falls under "don't spam or flood" rule even if it isn't mentioned directly
earnest cape
It floods away the actual conversations, causing people to miss things. Lol, rip, oof, and other one word responses that do not bring anything productive to the table will be considered as spam as well if used extensively
jagged zealot
That says nothing about me saying " It got real quiet"
river glen
i dont care about a joke suggestion
i would rather look at a serious one, that actuallly improves the mod and not just makes it a more shittier experience
earnest cape
key words: "other one word responses that do not bring anything productive to the table"
anyway move on and continue to suggestions
this is getting way off topic
jagged zealot
key words: "other one word responses that do not bring anything productive to th...
That's alot of things but okay
earnest cape
i dont care about a joke suggestion
suggestion rules does
fair radish
Hey it’s you guys
river glen
hi
earnest cape
hey
fair radish
Fox Omni Blade hitbox though? 😳
eternal escarp
(If this get's approved, I may suggest one last vanilla debuff rework tha's NOT added by calamity, but I doubt that's going to happen fjklfjkfjfkj)
this isnt needed in the sugg tbf and could just be straight up removed
If you can, and it doesn't make things hard on devs, or messes up how the bosses works
this first line too, since the devs would obviously check anyways
Oh, and rain should give you this debuff (wet), atleast while you are standing it, compared to actually getting DRENCHED in it like swimming down in a lake or ocean, thus it lasts even outside of a body of water if you went swimming compared to the rain?
this part is kinda specific but i dont know how specific is too much anymore tbf
earnest cape
If this get's approved, I may suggest one last vanilla debuff rework tha's NOT added by calamity, but I doubt that's going to happen fjklfjkfjfkj)
completely remove this last part it is completely
eternal escarp
> (If this get's approved, I may suggest one last vanilla debuff rework tha's NO...
mfw
earnest cape
hush
eternal escarp
earnest cape
also where's the reasoning
i'm just seeing "hey do this and that" and not seeing the "why"
or at least I don't see a solid one
eternal escarp
I was thinking make wet when atleast half or the entirety of your body was in water and lasts depending on how long they were in water, AND either makes fire attacks weaker, fire debuffs weaker, and/or makes them last shorter. BUT Electrified & lightning either do more damage or the effects last longer, basically wet being oiled but for lightning, while weakening/dousing fire.
tbf this whole part is kinda specific but idk
it is an idea and not the sugg itself byeah
eternal escarp
byeah the no reasoning is the biggest issue prolly
earnest cape
ye
eternal escarp
@ suggestor
vital condor
@jagged zealot
eternal escarp
yeah i wasnt bothering with that name kekw
earnest cape
ID
jagged zealot
<@!592870990208303114>
??
eternal escarp
you should read the above
ashen warren
If you don't want to deal with their name then just reply ping them
eternal escarp
#suggestions-discussion message from here
vital condor
pinging you so you can see the above discussion
eternal escarp
basically
earnest cape
> (If this get's approved, I may suggest one last vanilla debuff rework tha's NO...
all of these
earnest cape
> I was thinking make wet when atleast half or the entirety of your body was in ...
plus this
potential problems about your suggestion
eternal escarp
well