nor is it a reason
#suggestions-discussion
eternal escarp
sleek turret
if we add a bio-station on the abyss
tender temple
abyss stuff is op, the reaper shark teeth make some of the best items
eternal escarp
you still didnt really bring a real reason as to why the abyss needs a lab like this
eternal escarp
saying "theres op stuff" isnt a real reason tbf
sleek turret
what would happen is;
why?????
gets overlapped by dungeon on a chance
eternal escarp
or "it doesnt have one"
shell drift
halibut cannon is meme weapon
eternal escarp
its intended to be overpowered
sleek turret
Abyssal Amulet falls of on Hardmode (although on pre-hm it destroys worms and BoC creepers)
tawny garden
And if it's unbalanced perchance, that will get fixed in 1.5
tender temple
first off, it doesnt have one so theres reason one, its an important biome since the eidolon worm spawns there to drop rare items like the halibut cannon, eidolic wail and soul edge. But it doesnt have any lore, also it's never explained why the terminus is there or who put it there so im thinking they could expand on that to give us a lot more lore
sleek turret
Abyss chest loot is good and they have their uses.
safe oasis
Abyssal Amulet falls of on Hardmode (although on pre-hm it destroys worms and Bo...
(it still fucks up until plantera)
eternal escarp
also, if "it doesnt have one" was a valid reason, then you could say "give the brimstone crags a planetoid, it doesnt have one"
"give hell a cold biome, it doesnt have one"
"make king slime drop a weapon, it doesnt have one"
these are all not really valid reasons, tleast not in my opinion
safe oasis
king slime has a weapon
sleek turret
For Eidolic Wall you have to be a 200iq man.
safe oasis
slime gun if that counts
eternal escarp
eh, you get my point
tawny garden
For Eidolic Wall you have to be a 200iq man.
nah
whole sedge
few things i want to add
Long message time
- An abyssal level bio station would make the already overly cramped and cluttery abyss even more cramped and cluttery then just getting completely ignored after every milestone
- Would cause even more potential issues for dungeon gen also
- The abyss already has tons of loot, crates, buffs, food items and halibut cannon and adding more would just make the biome feel bloaty when others could use it much more like the underground astral and crags
tawny garden
Unless I'm a 200IQ man, which I highly doubt
tender temple
<:HechMF:635878727888142366> few things i want to add
Long message time
- An aby...
im saying put it at the bottom of the abyss near the terminus since there's litterally nothing there
whole sedge
There is something there: hell
No space.
eternal escarp
also it's never explained why the terminus is there or who put it there so im thinking they could expand on that to give us a lot more lore
in this case, you can ask for ways to get the lore directly, it doesnt explain why the abyss needs a lab specifically
tender temple
There is something there: hell
No space.
not right by the terminus just near
on the sides of the abyss
whole sedge
And isn't it explained how terminus got there in the lore also or even in the item tooltip itself? 
sleek turret
litterally nothing there
reaper shark
juvenile eidolon wyrms
bobbit worms
chaotic puffers
tender temple
>litterally nothing there
>reaper shark
>juvenile eidolon wyrms
>bobbit worms
>c...
they're enemies not blocks
eternal escarp
thats
sleek turret
uhh
sleek turret
Voidstone
eternal escarp
its empty so you can fight those enemies too, id assume
whole sedge
It is also empty so you can fight those enemies
tawny garden
The bottom of the abyss is effectively blank, yes
But it doesn't mean that a specific structure should be there
eternal escarp
a draedon lab specifically has 0 reason yes
tender temple
a research station isnt gonna cram the whole abyss, its tiny comparatively its like 60x60 blocks max thats not gonna stop it from being an open area
eternal escarp
or any lab in this case
safe oasis
imagine trying to fight reaper sharks and shit in a cramped ass draedon lab
there's a reason that part is empty
sleek turret
Terminus is on the bottom of the abyss because it was locked after Yharim's brother did an oopsie and they didn't want to commit death again so that explains it being on the bottom of the abyss.
I think thats the lore for Terminus?
eternal escarp
((might be?))
tender temple
it doesnt actually say that on the tooltip though
eternal escarp
((who knows))
eternal escarp
it doesnt actually say that on the tooltip though
do you want a long af tooltip?
not many would
whole sedge
Yeah I remember it being something like haha this thing too funky powerful let's yeet it into this earth asshole
sleek turret
make every single item have a big tooltip
eternal escarp
and dont bring up Revengeance, its long because its a difficulty toggle with quite a bunch of not easy to see changes
sleek turret
and being lore
tawny garden
make every single item have a big tooltip
👀
eternal escarp
and its prty much the only long tooltip'd item afaik
tender temple
it says this "A ritualistic artifact, thought to have brought upon The End many millennia ago
Sealed away in the abyss, far from those that would seek to misuse it" it doesnt actually say who sealed it or when or how they got that far into the abyss and a research station could explain that
sleek turret
literally making every item a Fargo's Souls post-Abom accessory
whole sedge
The only reason rev is so long also is cause it's a difficulty item 
safe oasis
spong
tender temple
thats why im saying make a research station, then you dont need a long tooltip, you can just have it in a research panel
sleek turret
oh yeah
eternal escarp
but why a research station specifically?
sleek turret
sponge
eternal escarp
thats the question
whole sedge
Research panels are literally are big tooltips in item form
sleek turret
yeah
eternal escarp
the fact the abyss doesnt have a lab does not mean it must have one
tender temple
but why a research station specifically?
cause where else are you gonna put the lore, you could just have it scrawled on a piece of paper next to the terminus but thats boring
safe oasis
how is that boring
eternal escarp
not all the lore is written ingame anyways
tender temple
the fact the abyss doesnt have a lab does not mean it must have one
yeah you've said that like 17 times now we get it
whole sedge
Terminus is also kind of minor also and is nowhere near as important to draedon or his labs at all because it's kinda just funny artifact
tender temple
not all the lore is written ingame anyways
yes but it can be with the research labs or they wouldnt be a thing
sleek turret
Not everything that is shown on the in-game expierence has to be conected to the lore.
eternal escarp
that too, yes
safe oasis
gameplay>lore iirc
shell drift
terminus could do with a better way of getting
eternal escarp
Terminus is also kind of minor also and is nowhere near as important to draedon ...
also this, terminus has little to no connection to any research from draedon iirc
so even from a lore standpoint
this would be zero sense
sleek turret
draedon doesn't care about terminus
whole sedge
Terminus is fine really, it's an extra item for a funsies event rn 
eternal escarp
(not yet)
still zodiac
(without losing it that is)
eternal escarp
(prty sure 1.4 tmod will fix this)
tender temple
its not all about making lore for the terminus it's about making lore for the abyss, i didnt even mention making lore for the terminus in my original suggestion
eternal escarp
(but thats besides the point)
sleek turret
what does he care is about mechanical and technology stuff and not magic mysterious artifacts
eternal escarp
well, what connection does draedons research have with the abyss then?
whole sedge
Soon™️ but still the abyss doesn't have much if any connection to draedon either
tawny garden
Wait a sec
How is the Terminus related to Draedon
still zodiac
its not all about making lore for the terminus it's about making lore for the ab...
well abyss will get lore when lore writers get to it
its not
in any way related to Draedon
eternal escarp
Wait a sec
How is the Terminus related to Draedon
it aint, read smh my head ://////
languid temple
Okay
eternal escarp
(we discussed it a sec ago)
tawny garden
m
eternal escarp
(basically it doesnt)
whole sedge
Really I feel like a better way to explore Abyss lore would be to make the little houses and such have bits of lore built into them but still it's not related to Draedon at all 
tawny garden
Sorry me dum
still zodiac
Really I feel like a better way to explore Abyss lore would be to make the littl...
would be interesting to find tablets in the chests like Draedon's logs tbh
eternal escarp
the closest thing draedon is connected to in that location is the sulph sea iirc
still zodiac
yea
whole sedge
Sulph sea is also only loosely connected also iirc
whole sedge
I forgot a lot about the piss sea so I'm probably wrong but still 
eternal escarp
Draedon literally dumped toxic waste into it <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
(thats not a huge connection tbf)
(he just made it sulphorous 
)
eternal escarp
well yeah
tawny garden
safe oasis
anyway about the suggestion
tender temple
well draedons space exploration probably didnt help him make a massive skull too much but he still made a research station there, also the eidolon wyrms have a connection however vague it is being the DOG since they're both worm enemies and both very strong
still zodiac
what
safe oasis
still extremely specific with little to no reasoning and it seems you haven't made any effort to improve that as it still remains unedited
whole sedge
how do eidolon wyrms have anything to do with DoG?
eternal escarp
space exploration is related to draedon due to cosmilite shit and stuff iirc?
tender temple
oh wait dog is from another dimension
still zodiac
DoG and storm weaver are the same species
tender temple
i forgot about that
still zodiac
they're not related to wyrms at all, yea
still zodiac
space exploration is related to draedon due to cosmilite shit and stuff iirc?
kinda
eternal escarp
idk im not a lore nerd like bruhimus
safe oasis
still extremely specific with little to no reasoning and it seems you haven't ma...
about the sugg
tender temple
space exploration is related to draedon due to cosmilite shit and stuff iirc?
nah the DOG doesnt have any relation to draedon since it was some worm from another dimension i forgot about that
sleek turret
uhh
still zodiac
idk im not a lore nerd ~~like bruhimus~~
🤫
eternal escarp
Draedon made DoG's armor didnt he
still zodiac
ye
sleek turret
it does
eternal escarp
thats a medium sized relation
still zodiac
without the armor he wouldn't be able to use his powers as often or smth
eternal escarp
and the armor is made with cosmilite which is also draedon related blah blah
still zodiac
or just, travel through his pocket dimension without getting ripped to shreds
whole sedge
Yeah regardless of arguing about lore and such, this is still kind of poorly made with zero effort to improve it, way too specific and has zero reasoning other than "it'd be neat to have abyss lore" even though most of the abyss is completely unconnected to Draedon also. 
tender temple
still extremely specific with little to no reasoning and it seems you haven't ma...
well im not gonna write a page of lore for it, its just a general suggestion to have a research lab down there since i though it would be cool, you can just say if you thing its a good suggestion or not you dont have to be so pessemistic saying how useless and awful it is
whole sedge
I also see zero chance of this being accepted also as if they wanted one there they likely would've made it ngl
still zodiac
something like reworking abyss houses to look more unique would be better tbh
sleek turret
Dom alredy said it like minutes ago.
safe oasis
well im not gonna write a page of lore for it, its just a general suggestion to ...
did you read the suggestion doc
sleek turret
It will have a chance to overlap with the dungeon.
tender temple
did you read the suggestion doc
what
sleek turret
And also not sure if its something that includes making a new biome structure which is on the Don'ts.
ugh.
read the pins
safe oasis
the big pinned document
sleek turret
plz
safe oasis
highlighting the do's and don'ts
that you were supposed to read before even writing a suggestion
tawny garden
it doesn't highlight do's smh
whole sedge
read pins please but regardless this breaks a lot of them and it's reasoning is kind of "it'd be pretty nifty" and gives no real way to build upon the non-draedon related abyss lore
tender temple
but draedon isnt related to most of the stuff his research stations are in
safe oasis
what
tawny garden
safe oasis
Or dont do any of that and just put the lore in tiny boring shadow chests since the people in suggestion discussion say its an awful and flawed idea
really
was this necessary at all
eternal escarp
((asking since i havnt fully read any of those))
tender temple
which one of the donts am i breaking cause theres like 20
tawny garden
— "Yeah idk what this place is"
— "but you built it"
— "I said, I don't know"
still zodiac
show why he is related to all of those?
yes
eternal escarp
although i know for certain he is related to space and the jungle for very known stuff
tender temple
was this necessary at all
i mean its true
tawny garden
which one of the donts am i breaking cause theres like 20
Specific, no real reason
sleek turret
Specific stuff.
Grand scale stuff, new biome stuff (not sure if considered?)
tender temple
Specific, no real reason
which one is that, like number 10 20?
eternal escarp
just ctrl F
whole sedge
basically what others said
really the idea is kind of flawed also so I'd suggest kind of changing it to be "Rework the Abyss houses to give more lore and knowledge on the biome" rather than "Add a draedon lab here"
eternal escarp
just like, ctrl f "specific"
tender temple
ok i found it
safe oasis
which one of the donts am i breaking cause theres like 20
- specific as fuck
- only reasoning being "it'd be cool"
unrelated but it doesn't take more than a minute to read the document
this is just being lazy
tawny garden
(Tho idk how specific it really is)
tender temple
it says to not be specific
in the document
Additionally, specificity is not recommended for suggestions
it says that
eternal escarp
(Tho idk how specific it really is)
then it has a bunch of reaper shark teeth and a weapon like the Murasama but maybe rogue class and abyss themed, the weapon would also be level locked like the. Murasama except this would be post supreme calamitas. The research panel thing would talk about the abyss creatures and the eidolon wyrm's specifically.
to me this sounds specific quite a bit
tawny garden
Byeah Murasama, research panel, all of that is specific
eternal escarp
not as much as other stuff seen before byeah
tender temple
ok ill make it less specific
tawny garden
Also search there for "reasoning"
tawny garden
Well, it's better now
eternal escarp
inhabitants of the ayss
small, but typo that can be fixed
safe oasis
there should be a bit on why draedon research station specifically and not like any other miscellaneous structure
tawny garden
yeh
tender temple
ok its changed
safe oasis
better 👍
tawny garden
fading silo
How do you fit a reasearch lab in a place that is fairly skinny and has a decent amount of rocks in the way?
Curious
Oh wait
safe oasis
that's the devs' job
safe oasis
@final plover can't suggest something about future content, have to experience it and see how it plays out yourself before suggesting changes
tender temple
oh i didnt know they had different names
mighty knot
@final plover suggestions based on upcoming content are a don't
frail mantle
future content also the problem with mech minecart wasn't it being too much faster than the other minecarts, but rather it just being too fast in general
final plover
My bad thanks for the reply
frail mantle
final plover
Deleted the og comment
safe oasis
tawny garden
(also Fab sad that he would buff the cart back up a bit if the nerf turns out to be too huge)
fading silo
@tender temple Also change the title to Void station and not abyss.
tender temple
ok
fading silo
Cause there are a lot of interesting creatures in the void
Also why is there a sulphuric sea mini boss?
The mawler or whatever it's called
violet sierra
trasher?
fading silo
It just randomly spawns and is a flipping tank of a mini boss
It's a shark
Spawns in the sulphur layer
It's random
And is extremely tanky
still zodiac
sulphur layer doesn't exist
still zodiac
and yeah that's mauler
whole sedge
sulphuric sea not layer but mauler or trasher does indeed exist
still zodiac
basically a miniboss like reaper sharks
tender temple
that things cool
fading silo
<:OmegaFailure:547564947505414175> sulphuric sea not layer but mauler or trasher...
When you're mining down an enchanted sword hole and a trasher falls down and you try to get out but the trasher defies physics and flies.
Literally
It did happen to me and I was in shock
whole sedge
Maulers are passive when you first see them until the player comes near it or hits it though and trashers are just weak fodder mobs really..?
They're pretty damn rare in PHM also
whole sedge
I mean yeah Maulers, the actual mini-boss, only spawn in extreme cases in P-HM so
they're also passive until you actually attack them so i don't see much of a problem really
fading silo
I didn't even notice them until I was in range tbh
whole sedge
I mean yeah makes sense to make a sugg about having them not spawn in pre-hardmode as they kind of are a late hardmode/pml mob as it can feel unfair to get annihilated by them when you don't see them
fading silo
Nah. I'm not really going to complain about a miniboss that serves little to no purpose until post polter
Legit only drops shark fins until post polter
tender temple
they drop a pretty good ranger weapon so they're cool
fading silo
Yes, but that's a post polter weapon. And only available when polterghast is beaten
tender temple
yeah
whole sedge
I mean yeah that seems why it'd be reasonable to have them only spawn Post-Moonlord really
fading silo
Besides that. It will only drop shark fins
And the miniboss has 165,000 hp
And that's normal mode
Also it's extremely fast underwater and has 50 defense, 5% Damage reduction, and 100% knockback resistance.
Basically it's a menace
whole sedge
I mean are you planning on turning this into a sugg or..? 
fading silo
I might
Cause this miniboss feels like it serves no purpose other than a post polter range weapon
whole sedge
I mean yeah makes sense, should likely do that then so this isn't completely off topic 
earnest cape
Mauler's being planned to be t3 acid rain enemy
fading silo
Oh
earnest cape
Need confirmation however
fading silo
On?
earnest cape
1.5
earnest cape
Nah i need to pong a dev to make sure first
fading silo
k
earnest cape
@hearty yew heard a while back in vc mauler's being changed to t3 acid rain enemy, is that still being planned
hearty yew
that is still planned yes
right now it's just an orphaned miniboss that has no reason to exist outside the event
fading silo
So do I delete the suggestion?
rancid jasper
and since when were mana potions a necessity
to quickly restore mana without waiting
rancid jasper
it was a term, they are just really important
hol on, ima change that
actually, i said they were large asset, not neccessary
twilit warren
I don’t personally use mana potions but to some people they are an integral part of the class
rancid jasper
some other mods add increase to mana tho
such as MrPlague's authentic races, Skeletal Race
safe oasis
why should the bigger mod conform around the smaller mod
make those mods add a mana potion good enough to fit them
twilit warren
Suggestions shouldn’t take other mods into account
safe oasis
especially mods most people have never heard of
rancid jasper
why should the bigger mod conform around the smaller mod
i dont know, why give thorium a revengance capabilities when thorium could just do another revengance?
distant gyro
400* iirc
safe oasis
i dont know, why give thorium a revengance capabilities when thorium could just ...
how is that related at all 
distant gyro
ye
supreme is 400
your max mana is normally 500 at the point you have access to supreme
550 at the end
rancid jasper
550 at the end
ye
distant gyro
this is about the same ratio as vanilla mana pots
300 mana restoration / 400 max = 75% restoration
fossil finch
i dont know, why give thorium a revengance capabilities when thorium could just ...
i don't know, maybe this argument doesn't work because it was removed
?
rancid jasper
i don't know, maybe this argument doesn't work because it was removed
now im confused at myself
uh
fu-
well, i have an idea that is... strange.
hol on
rancid jasper
ight i added new thing
safe oasis
wh
there’s an actual reason for boss zen though
so mobs don’t spawn mid fight and fuck you
rancid jasper
there’s an actual reason for boss zen though
which is why the zerg would be a fun idea
rancid jasper
what’s the point of boss zerg
armageddon, but less hard, and it would be fun
zenith hazel
armageddon's getting removed next update
fading silo
to quickly restore mana without waiting
Mana flower tho
rancid jasper
armageddon's getting removed next update
son of a bi-
zenith hazel
and how the hell would it even work
that just sounds like a SIS at this point but not really
fading silo
Armageddon was too extreme with the one shots
rancid jasper
and how the hell would it even work
just remove the zen, add the zerg, and a boss of your choice
fading silo
No
zenith hazel
wh
safe oasis
why though
tender temple
Boss zerg on laggy bosses like yharon and Providence would make the game have massive framedrops
safe oasis
the only thing i’m seeing here is “why not”
rancid jasper
why though
fun challenge, also loot
grim tusk
What the fuck
safe oasis
which is really shit reasoning
zenith hazel
just spawn the bosses yourself in at that point
twin timber
No more money for potions 
fading silo
Also Luiafk has ultimate battler which already is a laggy mess
tawny garden
How is it a fun challenge
zenith hazel
because for one, you can spawn multiple bosses under certain circumstances
grim tusk
because for one, you can spawn multiple bosses under certain circumstances
Or bugs
rancid jasper
How is it a fun challenge
i have 2 words for you, random internet user: boss rush
grim tusk
Or cheatsheet
zenith hazel
boss rush is different
safe oasis
i have 2 words for you, random internet user: boss rush
do boss rush then??
fading silo
Also fargo has a potion to summon all bosses at once including modded ones
zenith hazel
because it's a boss rush, not every boss coming to your house and beating you up at once
rancid jasper
do boss rush then??
that is a fair arguement
dreamy citrus
do boss rush then??
not wrong
tawny garden
Boss rush isn't filled with random enemies
dreamy citrus
at the same time, adding something completely new will add a lot of coding and a lot of work for the devs
fading silo
because it's a boss rush, not every boss coming to your house and beating you up...
Lol. Imagine being the king slime that spawns in the outer 6ths of the map.
rancid jasper
wait is boss zen toggleable (in mod config)
dreamy citrus
something visual or minor
grim tusk
wait is boss zen toggleable (in mod config)
Yes but buggy atm
snow oxide
maybe we can add boss zerg and make it toggle-able in the config
fading silo
Can we improve boss zen by removing any enemies that are already spawned?
safe oasis
ok but why
rancid jasper
Yes but buggy atm
oh
zenith hazel
boss zerg doesn't contribute to anything and makes everything more of a hassle
safe oasis
“why not” isn’t a good reason at all
zenith hazel
boss zen at least helps out with menial tasks
rancid jasper
well then boss zerg is unnecessary because you can disable boss zen (in config) and drink a zerg potion
snow oxide
boss zerg doesn't contribute to anything and makes everything more of a hassle
but it would be only for pro's
zenith hazel
what
snow oxide
like the boss zeerg
grim tusk
but it would be only for pro's
I assure you no one will want to fight a swarm of enemies and a boss at the same time
snow oxide
they use it
zenith hazel
I'm so confused
fading silo
boss zen at least helps out with menial tasks
True, but then there are the enemies that are already spawned, which can lead to extra damage when trying to run away from boss.
snow oxide
I assure you no one will want to fight a swarm of enemies and a boss at the same...
true
grim tusk
Specially early post-ml
snow oxide
ye
zenith hazel
not to mention the fact that at some point, enemies will contribute absolutely nothing to a fight because they die so easily
rancid jasper
this discussion went from somewhat normal to supreme calamitas shooting a brimstone monster down Yharon's throat
snow oxide
this discussion went from somewhat normal to supreme calamitas shooting a brimst...
that does not make any sense
rancid jasper
that does not make any sense
what im trying to say is this conversation is w a c k
fading silo
If you want a boss zerg. Download fargo's soul mod and get the item or potion that spawns every boss including modded if you want to fight so many all at once.
rancid jasper
If you want a boss zerg. Download fargo's soul mod and get the item or potion th...
that is boss rush, but all at once
rancid jasper
that is boss rush, but all at once
that made no sense
fading silo
Ok? But isn't that what you're looking for?
dreamy citrus
or, just disable boss zen, then activate zerg, battle, water candle, chaos candle
fading silo
Or just crash your computer.
rancid jasper
Ok? But isn't that what you're looking for?
no, im looking for things such as providence, but high enemy spawn rates
safe oasis
better yet, just delete the sugg :tro
rancid jasper
like, really high
zenith hazel
or, just disable boss zen, then activate zerg, battle, water candle, chaos candl...
yes this is literally all you need to do
rancid jasper
better yet, just delete the sugg :tro
ok
zenith hazel
and it achieves practically the same purpose
safe oasis
yes this is literally all you need to do
tbf you could say the same about boss zen
just drink a zen 5head
fading silo
Lol
grim tusk
tbf you could say the same about boss zen
zenith hazel
except that boss zen helps in the fact that it only takes up 1 slot
tawny garden
boss zen is way stronger than normal zen
zenith hazel
doing all of that zerg + chaos bs is like that meme where you jam a stick into a bike
fading silo
Maybe just have boss zen as an overall buff that activates, but doesn't appear on the buff/debuff area
rancid jasper
doing all of that zerg + chaos bs is like that meme where you jam a stick into a...
a good idea
violet sierra
I have a new sugg idea
safe oasis
post it then
violet sierra
i gotta check that its not a dont
its an idea to adress abyss chesse
We talked about in the Draedon chat. The cheese i wanted to talk about was Wormhole cheese
violet sierra
Currenlty via just wormhole and alternating who is in the abyss, it is very simple to cheese the abyss because it doesnt anger the Wyrm. So the idea was to either make you unable to teleport to someone who is in the abyss. However, alternatively, you could make womrhole potions inflict Chaos State
tawny garden
(iirc Fab said that Multiplayer is inherently unbalanced so he's not gonna fix it (which isn't that great of a reason imo byeah))
violet sierra
no thats fine
if hes just accepting that some multiplayer cheeses will exist
thats an acceptable path
if they*
fading silo
What if Wyrm got triggered only in the lower abyss/void?
violet sierra
thats a horrible idea
fading silo
cause what cheese is RoD going to have in upper abyss?
violet sierra
it makes you move faster through the abyss
tawny garden
ye
violet sierra
meaning less breath used
violet sierra
also, i feel like a lot of enemies in the abyss
become less scary if you can just
teleport away
tawny garden
Currenlty via just wormhole and alternating who is in the abyss, it is very simp...
tbh this can still be a suggestion
If you want to, go for it
fading silo
Can we at least fix the attaching of the colossal squid? It's unpredictable and annoying especially with the amount of space in the lower abyss.
violet sierra
if Fab has already adressed this specific cheese
as in llike
said he wont bother
i dont want to suggest it
tawny garden
tawny garden
Yeah
violet sierra
it might be worth a shot then
I think the abyss deserves to like
exist at all in multiplayer
it basicallly doesnt exist in multiplayer in its current state
tawny garden
It sounds more like a general statement
violet sierra
ill throw it out there
tawny garden
violet sierra
maybe they will think its a solid idea to at least save the abyss from cheese
or at least
the easiest cheese
there will probably be cheese
fading silo
I have a complaint about the fact that there is a lot of debriss/rock formations in the lower abyss. The amount of space is lacking....from my world gen experience, you get punished harshly for trying or accidentally going for air, and the colossal squids can eat the player which is hard to dodge when there isn't a lot of space.
violet sierra
idk if thats too specific now that i think about it
if it is then let me know and I can remove the mentions of the methods of fixing
violet sierra
i guess that makes sense
space fish are obtained in sky lakes
idk for me they were distinct for some reaosn
river axle
Well, it'd make gathering materials for the equipment easier. Clouds, feathers, sunplates, and now aerialite will all be in the same place.
fossil finch
atThomas
violet sierra
seems like its a blue check to me
tawny garden
Thomas also doesn't mention the slimes at all btw
hollow shell
Yeah
violet sierra
oh ok, i didnt rtealize that blue check hhas to be very specific
tawny garden
there's also this #suggestions-voting message (also Thomas lol)
but it's before the bluecheck cutoff date
hollow shell
Not very specific but yeah
Indeed, if that one was past the bluecheck cutoff, it'd be definite.
violet sierra
im surprised that this beta sugg is going to make it into voting lol
when i first saw it i figured itd get deleted within like an hour of posting
violet sierra
oh if you have that you dont make it into voting, makes sense
I suppose thats better than deleting it
tawny garden
they get killed in 24 hours
violet sierra
you know
fossil finch
i'm surprised it wasn't deleted right away ig they just wanted to leave the guy the option to reword the sugg so it was better and all
hollow shell
lol
agile bolt
Dont take my wormhole cheese away from me and my friend 
hardy dock
I don’t think that it’s a huge deal that you can do this, because the lower layers of the Abyss aren’t super important until later on where you can survive for a long time down there anyway
A simple gills potion is enough for the top layer too
hollow shell
@brave girder You could clarify that you mean a traditional enrage, i.e. biome or time based
as opposed to Demonshade's Enrage, which does have a red visual effect
hollow shell
(from the top line I saw "red" and "enrage" and thought of Demonshade first)
earnest cape
ye the boss turns red
earnest cape
the healing?
brave girder
yeah, reversed tho i guess
distant vault
lol riz haha..
brave girder
what
warm scarab
@cobalt pewter do you know, the background wall in abyss can't be broken
ashen warren
Calamity boss design be like: just use Lui Skybridge 
ashen warren
"Use Cheat Sheet"
Nothing is indestructible with cheat sheet 
vital condor
Nothing is indestructible with cheat sheet <:ultimatesmug:807498328693669918>
laughs in actual-background
warm scarab
Nothing is indestructible with cheat sheet <:ultimatesmug:807498328693669918>
cheatsheet
you can't destroy yourself
frail mantle
the at the end isn't really necessary
also the second sentence is pretty long and could be split with a few periods
warm scarab
the <:HDfailure:482263678150770729> at the end isn't really necessary
no one forbid adding emotes in suggs
dapper coral
it can embed emotes from this server
earnest cape
thinkies
warm scarab
?
hollow shell
To show that emotes can embed in bot messages
muted osprey
cobalt pewter
To be fairly honest I see emotes in sugg as kinda weird, a lil unprofessional, but that's just me I think
hollow shell
It's not a big deal
cobalt pewter
True
hollow shell
mmm
warm scarab
To show that emotes can embed in bot messages
i just realized what you mean :hdflr:
earnest cape
Might wanna clarify in the title that you mean buff effects
The title's currently quite vague
wispy heron
Oh good idea, thanks
safe oasis
this feels more like a bug report than a suggestion tbh
earnest cape
@deft notch make proper formatting of your sugg(look at suggs above)
safe oasis
probably better to put it in #bugs-read-pins ?
earnest cape
oh right i should read first
safe oasis
fossil finch
Ah yes
deft notch
<@!444636107166973962> make proper formatting of your sugg(look at suggs above)
Sorry for that. I think it is correct now
fossil finch
agile bolt
Personally i haven't had any of these same multiplayer problems you are having. The boss never hard targets 1 of us, we can always juggle the boss in a way where we decide which player the boss will target next. Was one of you guys melee or something? Melee has armors that increase his aggro value so if you have a melee player who has gear like that the boss will basically 100% target you. Ranger also has some stuff that on the other hand decreases his aggro value
If the other guy has increased aggro or decreased aggro that basically makes it so that the boss will only hard target 1 of the players depending on who has which aggro
safe oasis
@deft notch ^
cobalt pewter
Aggro is funny
deft notch
Personally i haven't had any of these same multiplayer problems you are having. ...
Yeah, i was melee
But there was some cases where the bosses did not come after me
With Leviathan and Anahita for Example
safe oasis
@placid mason how exactly would that "make the fight less tedious"
cobalt pewter
Not sure how knocking the player back into the arena really helps
In fact it might throw someone off
fossil finch
i have never ran onto the tornadoes except like twice and both times were because of the moving around, which is getting addressed
still zodiac
someone asked the same thing before and got the same answer
shell drift
having them push would allow you to not think about your horizontal movement
still zodiac
that would feel awfully confusing
if you ran into a bordernado its your fault :///
besides, bordernadoes are becoming less wavy in the next update
shell drift
if they push you, doing circles around yharon become much easier
simmilarily to a wall
fossil finch
oh yeah you could literally like abuse them
shell drift
yeah
fossil finch
and going zoom all around because of like
you bounce between the walls without caring
shell drift
making the fight much easier
placid mason
Obviously they won't launch you at the speed of light, just lightly bounce you back.
still zodiac
yea but what's the point
placid mason
The point of what?
still zodiac
the point of removing bordernadoes instakill
fossil finch
<@!710962382758739998> how exactly would that "make the fight less tedious"
(refer to what everyone else said about the sugg starting here)
placid mason
It's annoying, a OHKO for something that is merely meant to restrict your movement.
shell drift
fossil finch
i mean man
as i said i never found myself running onto them
fading silo
besides, bordernadoes are becoming less wavy in the next update
Good
still zodiac
well you could say the same thing about the pushing back thing
it would be annoying to get thrown back into a projectile
shell drift
see my diagram pzl
placid mason
At least it doesn't instantly kill you
shell drift
getting pushed back is abuseable asf
still zodiac
kinda like that, yea
fading silo
Mhm
still zodiac
At least it doesn't instantly kill you
its kinda your fault if you ran into a bordernado though
fading silo
I ran into it cause of the waves
still zodiac
current ones are a bit wacky with their waviness but that's getting changed
fading silo
Cool
still zodiac
so like, i don't see any point
heady storm
You can always build giant walls around the bordernadoes.
still zodiac
that too
fading silo
Mhm
heady storm
All I really have to think about for it right now.
fading silo
I could care less about borders tbh. I just fly in circle
heady storm
I see no problem with making them windboxes in place of the instakills either.
shell drift
it makes the fight easier
heady storm
If the suggestion is valid but you disagree just do not star it.
fading silo
Maybe just have one free knock back and then the next hit is a one hit
heady storm
Very hard task at hand.
still zodiac
Maybe just have one free knock back and then the next hit is a one hit
that sounds interesting
crude geode
The suggestion is valid imo, as I personally feel like this type of “punishment” is extreme when compared to SCal’s arena. You don’t just die when leaving the dungeon with Polterghast.
crude geode
Indeed.
fossil finch
i mean this place is to discuss all suggs, not just invalid ones
that came off as a lil bit mean tbh
safe oasis
<@!710962382758739998> how exactly would that "make the fight less tedious"
(my point was about the actual sugg)
heady storm
Damn the funny loophole.
fossil finch
it's not like we are jumping on him or whatever
safe oasis
((tedious is the wrong word here probably))
heady storm
Well then make it clear to them.
crude geode
Perhaps instead of “tedious” you could use the word extreme. Unless you have more reasoning for the instakills making the fight more tedious.
placid mason
Tedious is definitely the wrong word, I was trying to describe the idea of worrying about getting instantly obliterated whenever you mess up.
shell drift
tedious is when its so hard that you end up trying 100 times
safe oasis
no that's just being very hard
tedious is just doing the same thing over and over again, getting boring
still zodiac
tedious is not always hard though
placid mason
After looking at the definition, I'd say that tedious would be taking 15 to do the fight, only to die and start over.
safe oasis
either way still not the right word
maybe say something like make the punishment much less extreme compared to the scal fight, which is also meant to keep you in a boundary
fading silo
@placid mason how bout make one free knock back with some invulnerability in case some projectiles are aimed at you and then the next hit is OHKO.
safe oasis
then that's like almost guaranteed to be abused
shell drift
sounds confusing and complicated
safe oasis
and it's supposed to be a punishment anyway why make it give you iframes
fading silo
Basically it knocks you back and gives short iframes not long
It’s one free mistake
Or just knock back and no iframes
That way it still punishes you
Ok so instead of all knock back, how bout one free knock back with no iframes and then the next hit is a OHKO?
safe oasis
sounds confusing and complicated
fading silo
Literally just one bump and then the next touch is a OHKO
If the player touches either sides.
They both count as one
So it’s a shared free hit
candid grove
that sound like it needlessly complicates things
fading silo
I’m trying to make the suggestion less likely to be shot down
Or just make it a rev/death mode thing only
crude geode
How is it going to be shot down?
fading silo
Cause they say how they put up walls, which is a strat
Also it’s a constant knock back that they are suggesting
That removes most of the challenge of the fight
candid grove
i have never died to the border nadoes except for one time when i tried to see if i could rod past em and went in lol
fading silo
I don’t see this getting implemented even if it hits the 200 star requirement
It could be better
fading silo
Well yes, but how long has this bordernado been a thing in the mod?
still zodiac
since Yharon was addded, i think
crude geode
Things change.
fading silo
I’ll vote on it cause I kind of agree with this, but I doubt it will succeed
placid mason
I never took I-frames into consideration, it will be just push and no brief immunity.
fading silo
Maybe make it a normal mode thing idk
safe oasis
there’s no point to that tho
fading silo
I’m just spitballing ideas.
river glen
what about a suggestion to make respawn times scale the more players there are
and soft capping at a certain amount
cuz i can just stall
die
my teammates does the same thing
and slowly we just kill the boss
safe oasis
cobalt pewter
Can't you just use Better Multiplayer mod if you're adamant on not having cheeses?
safe oasis
yep
river glen
oh well
safe oasis
that is indeed a feature
unkempt bolt
needing to place walls to avoid running into infernadoes just seems like arena preparation imo, like having a high platform to avoid plantera's spiky balls
safe oasis
tfw troll sugg
dapper coral
@hazy goblet no meme suggs
lores are also being removed in 1.5
so your sugg is moot anyways
please read the doc in the pins
placid sigil
earnest cape
placid sigil
Its called boredom
dapper coral
well then
shell drift
yeah the massive box is annoying ngl
ashen warren
And it takes so long to mine
shell drift
veinminer go brrr
ashen warren
Cheat sheet go kekw
earnest cape
@torn nacelle #suggestions-voting message
it's already ✅ and 👍 so no reason to repost it
torn nacelle
oh woops didn't notice. I'll remove it
earnest cape
@hollow shell should this sugg be 🛠️ since fab stated it'll be added eventually ?#suggestions-voting message
hollow shell
it's already ✅ and 👍 so no reason to repost it
You fool, you forgot about the bluecheck. The no-repost-after-200 rule only applies if it's your own suggestion
earnest cape
ah 
hollow shell
And, can I see that Fab confirmation? Or was it VC only
earnest cape
ye
hollow shell
Alright, sure then
earnest cape
thank
earnest cape
warm scarab
When you have the power
https://gyazo.com/6861f7963207ffccd94efb5a6029f3a8
no, you don't
earnest cape
nice ping
fading silo
When you have the power
Titanium is just better. Yes adamantite looks visually amazing. We or most of us know that titanium is just better.
cobalt pewter
Titanium is just better. Yes adamantite looks visually amazing. We or most of us...
You missed the point ig
cerulean estuary
How would you double tap a diagonal and have it be less janky than keybinds
whole sedge
Wouldn't that also cause conflicts with other dashes that could be avoided though?
crystal iron
Wouldn't that also cause conflicts with other dashes that could be avoided thoug...
maybe it could depend on visibility, if its visible you get a dash and vie versa
twin timber
Maybe make Golem drop solar tablet fragments?
Since he is a temple boss
He is made out of the same bricks
He is powered by something
hollow shell
Makes sense thematically yeah
I'm not sure if there's a great need for another source of those fragments, but
it'd fit in with other additions we make to bosses
twin timber
I will write it tomorrow. Tired as hell, and need to go to bed
hollow shell
aight
@hazy goblet Read the Suggestion Don'ts document, pinned here and in #suggestions-posting.
That's a Specific Item Suggestion and is therefore not allowed.
safe oasis
he’s been told to read the suggestions doc in the pins like twice now i think
violet sierra
good sugg
hollow shell
mmm not a good idea to use an upcoming feature in your reason
earnest cape
yeah was about to say
maybe it's better to use PBG as an example since she also drops plague cell canisters
king slime dropping slime, etc
wait what KS doesn't drop slime
hollow shell
(his slimes drop slime)
earnest cape
he technically doesn't drop gel
twin timber
Okay, imma edit
clever canopy
Woop woop
muted osprey
also mis's sugg on eidolon tablet
crude geode
This feels a tad specific to be honest.
earnest cape
yeah and I don't really understand what the sugg's asking
in the first two lines its asking material for scourge weapons and the next one it asks scourge to drop mats for forbidden armor?
crude geode
I think it’s asking for the added material to be incorporated into forbidden armor’s crafting
cold swallow
I guess I should limit it to just one
crude geode
Which is unnecessary Bc the forbidden fragment is what serves as the counterpart to ice core
earnest cape
and frigid bar's removed next update so you can't craft frost armor with it anymore
crude geode
Both drop from elemental mini-bosses, and are combined with T3 metals to make the respective armors.
cold swallow
Well that completely removes the purpose of this
crude geode
Also literally every boss has weapons you can only get by chance.
Moon Lord, Plantera, PBG, etc.
cold swallow
I really just started off with the idea of Forbidden Armor also having a calamity boss bar incorporated with it as an equivalent to frost armor, but now that the frost armor won't be crafted with Frigid Bars anymore there isn't a point
fossil finch
what
crude geode
Isn't this kinda a part of balancing
rancid jasper
Isn't this kinda a part of balancing
you talking to me? just wondering
crude geode
yes
rancid jasper
yes
yea, photo right click is broken, too broken, so limit it, for obvious reasons. if it is too much work, then you dont have to do it
grim tusk
@rancid jasper 
crude geode
#suggestions-discussion message
this is what I'm referring to
grim tusk
For the time being, do not post any weapon balance suggestions.
For 1.5, the testers are going to go through every tier in the game and evaluate the balance of every weapon, starting with Post-Moon Lord (due to the stat flattening).
Posting any balance suggestions during this time would be redundant, as the testers will eventually evaluate the balance of every weapon in the mod, including whatever you are concerned about, prior to 1.5's release.
(Due to the Post-ML stat flattening, do not suggest anything stat-based about any Post-ML content, including armor and bosses, as well.)
rancid jasper
> For the time being, do not post any weapon balance suggestions.
> For 1.5, the...
oh f*ck
mighty knot
oh
ashen warren
mighty knot
that never happened
river glen
What about giving dog a bit of anti cheese since if he spawns below u and goes straigtht up into you
it can be unexpected
and a bit cheesy
would giving dog a few more seconds of invulnarability be nice / the amount of time he can't take damage and cannot deal damage
ashen warren
when he spawns in hes in the crawltipede ai phase so doesn't try to hit you
and the teleport spawns are clearly telegraphed
rugged belfry
Speaking of Anti-Cheese, Underground Perforator Hove can’t damage you half the time since it’s attacks break on impact with blocks, so they end up breaking on the tunnel down to the underground crimson
Know what I mean?
shell drift
perforator is super easy to cheese
rugged belfry
It’s overall an easy boss if you have a lot of area to move
Or at least just speed to avoid the worm
I make it exciting by fighting all 3 worms at the same time
frail mantle
something something nohitting bad reasoning
also iirc you aren't even allowed to roof cheese the perforators when you're nohitting
i realize now that you do, in fact, mention that in your suggestion
earnest cape
taking nohits as the basis of your suggestion is very bad
frail mantle
yes
dapper coral
(this is why in the no-hit rules you're not allowed to block perf hive projectiles with a ceiling)
so basically yeet this part because irrelevant and nohits bad
earnest cape
(nice blue rectangle btw)
dapper coral
perfs without projectiles is a joke to no hit
and change this to not say nohit
frail mantle
(nice blue rectangle btw)
thank you i created it in five seconds
earnest cape
crude geode
> (this is why in the no-hit rules you're not allowed to block perf hive project...
@warm scarab ^
whole sedge
Should probably reword it to look less, immensely casual i guess also as this doesn't really have that suggestion feel to it and more of something you'd just see in a general chatroom but that's less of just a bad reasoning complaint and more of just this feels weird to me
crude geode
It's generally their style, and hasn't been brought up as invalid before.
whole sedge
this is their first sugg I have personally seen i mean yeah not invalid just kinda feels off to me compared to every other suggestion and kind of the one goal of a suggestion
crude geode
45 suggestions by Destroyer done before, with quite a few done in this more casual style.
whole sedge
Guess it is just me then, sorry i guess
crude geode
It's alright, I personally dislike the style but it's completely valid, and is just a personal quirk of Destroyer's suggestions.
warm scarab
i normally don't be this casual
unless i took my meds too early and it's effects are wearing off
frail mantle
something something not actually Yharim's real sword
muted osprey
but it'll be cool!!! 🥺
frail mantle
which does raise the question of why it's called the True Tyrant's Ultisword but like eh
when Yharim is added i predict that his melee drop will just be his actual, real, canon, non-cardboard cutout bootleg chinese version sword
earnest cape
still zodiac
when Yharim is added i predict that his melee drop will just be his actual, real...
Most likely
earnest cape
latest sugg about this that I remember
rough pecan
oh fair enough then
hollow shell
It's fine to suggest it again, just don't expect it to sway the devs very much
earnest cape
yeah
rough pecan
yeah fair enough sure
worn salmon
the power of friendship upgrades the sword
frail mantle
the real ultisword was the friends we made along the way
muted osprey
fuck friends
I put all my npcs in compact efficient buildings
agile bolt
Friendship is power, even more so in terraria since multiplayer is just cheese in itself
warm scarab
:hdflr:
it's like dream's hunter vs speedrunner series
or terraria's updates
1.0: final update
1.1: true final update
1.2: true TRUE final update
1.3: true final update (real)
1.4: guys trust me this is the final update it's literally called journey's end
1.4.1: ok this time i'm serious it's the final update
1.4.2: i don't know what to say anymore so i won't say anything
frail mantle
not too sure how a background would make people notice the SS more
frail mantle
elaborate
hollow shell
Maybe "appreciate" would be a better word than "notice"?
worn salmon
im down for it
warm scarab
Maybe "appreciate" would be a better word than "notice"?
ye
hollow shell
👌
vital condor
...that's actually big brain
making a surface sunken sea biome for housing
I 100% support this suggestion when it goes to voting and I'm stealing this idea for my next playthrough
warm scarab
...that's actually big brain
what
i do that 99% of the time
because i noticed that the music is the best biome track out of all tracks
and most mobs are neutral
another reason for you to make housing in sunken sea
that's also y nether is more safe than overworld sometimes but that's mc not terraria
vital condor
I'm on first playthrough so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
didn't exactly know beforehand that that was a good idea
hence why I'm stealing it for future
river glen
when he spawns in hes in the crawltipede ai phase so doesn't try to hit you
yes, but he can unintentionally hit you if he spawns directly below you
earnest cape
im 100% sure the portal never spawns under you unless you intentionally fly up
earnest cape
run away and don't fly
if you fly you're doing the boss wrng
(i don't mean anything offensive about this)
vital condor
I believe they're saying that when you first summon the boss he can spawn directly beneath you
eternal escarp
run away and don't fly
.
that isnt likely to happen if you do this
afaik
(never happaned to me atleast)
earnest cape
I believe they're saying that when you first summon the boss he can spawn direct...
yes and I'm saying the way to avoid it is run and don't fly for too long
ashen warren
yes, but he can unintentionally hit you if he spawns directly below you
Hasn't personally happened to me, but if it happens frequently then fair enough
warm scarab
im 100% sure the portal never spawns under you unless you intentionally fly up
it can spawn below you when he spawns
earnest cape
yes and I'm saying the way to avoid it is run and don't fly for too long
.
try reading the messages above
wrong reply
earnest cape
when he first spawns in
this one
fading silo
If I read the convo correctly. Crawltipedes only attack when in the air. But I have no clue what you guys are talking about.
warm scarab
doggo spawnkilling you
fading silo
I mean. That’s just showing off lol
shell drift
~~that's also y nether is more safe than overworld sometimes but that's mc not t...
order of safety in mc
nether
end
overworld
warm scarab
yes :hdflr:
frail mantle
i don't think i've ever actually heard of anyone confusing blood orbs for blood samples or vice versa
fossil finch
ye
eternal escarp
they are similiar, but they have a big differenece in where and how you get them tbf
never seen much confusion with these two ever tbf
shell drift
magic storage crafting doesnt mix them up
ive never had that issue, but i can see why it could cause confusion
fading silo
Bruh. Why is there no Pbg wing set to go with the armor?
I want to suggest some things, but they are all don'ts
fossil finch
because funny
also sugging one is not really a don't
(You can suggest plague-themed wings and you'd be fine)
fossil finch
evasion scarf is donor so you aren't getting that
also what
post plantera there's two dash accs which all players will keep on
why
fading silo
Idk. It just feels not as strong in post ml
fossil finch
well yeah you aren't supposed to use evasion scarf in post ml
dapper coral
(unless true melee gaming, maybe)
fossil finch
that'd be pretty specific byeah
fading silo
I want to suggest hardmode evil biome armor but can't
I have some really well thought out ideas that are don'ts or they are hyper-specific/small and not worth suggesting
I still remember my first suggestion here was about hardmode evil biome bosses and I listed armor with some abilities along with a rev drop from each boss.
That was before I knew that there were don'ts
gray nebula
based
grim tusk
why do people not check #calamity-update-talk and (Brimmy is getting resprited already @ashen warren )
gray nebula
i mean if u look at basically any comment section on any brimmy art
grim tusk
theres always horny
gray nebula
boobs on a sprite truly cannot be a thing
grim tusk
always lots of horny
wooden wedge
illegam
grim tusk
why people are like this
wooden wedge
actually what is the resprite
is it still the one that was posted a while ago in mod announcments
grim tusk
iirc yes
they havent said theres a different one
unless they have been keeping it under wraps
Essentially the mod announcements one but no spoon atm
gray nebula
crying
its still the one in announcement
:boooooohoo
still havent finished animating it but damn no motivzaton
fossil finch
even if she didn't have a resprite coming already this sugg would be dumb
calsuggesters when booba
hollow shell
This is usually only on the final stages of the events, right?
Pretty sure the smounts are reasonable up till then
crystal iron
its not that hard to get to the last waves
you have 10 minutes to do that
which in both tieres is easy enough
and i dont think 50 pumpkings and mourning woods at the same time is all that reasonable
and even if it is, it makes the event near unplayable
in my case at least, i cant even stop the event, because i just aiether die instantly or it sso laggy i cant even open the inventory in time
hollow shell
mm.
crystal iron
there are better ways to make an event harder the further you get into it, spawning a shiot ton of enmies isnt even all that effective cuz you get immunity frames
and while i did contradict myself here, theres a difference between a projectiles from 2/3 directions and undodgeable projectiles from all over the screen
vital condor
you get immunity frames, and they last longer cos you get less fps :)
rose latch
maybe just make them do more damage and drop more seasonal energy on the later waves
spamming more of the same bosses just doesn't work
zenith hazel
sugg bot's down, notified amber
covert siren
I miss og suggestion system
crude geode
^
zenith hazel
bot's back up
hollow shell
Cool
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@shut tide It would be preferred if you actually posted a serious suggestion
hollow shell
We don't like jokes and memes in the system cuz yknow, we're actually trying to use suggestions to improve the mod
shut tide
cheesing bosses by somehow attacking them from really far away should punish the player
as of the changelogs this was done by removing boss zen from over 400 tiles away, however this can be overriden by drinking a regular zen potion
hollow shell
Also don't make suggestions involving upcoming features (Malice Mode or anything else in changelogs), that's a Don't in fact
shut tide
wait it is
my bad
I would not have made a malice mode-related suggestion if I knew
yeah ig that suggestion is to be ignored then
hollow shell
(and also you prolly won't need to worry about absurd transportation methods anyway, those are getting nerfed too)
shut tide
o nice
my suggestion wasn't proper cause it broke a rule but the big picture is that I really believe there should be a punishment for going too far from a boss besides losing boss zen when going >400 tiles away
and as my suggestion mentioned, especially for malice mode, just a thought