suggestions-discussion

[sand umbra]

this is why I say that debuffs that decrease defense and/or DR are mostly situational
you're not going to get much worth out of them if the thing you're fighting doesn't have significant enough defense/DR

[steep island]

that's still doubling every single source of damage that enemy takes

[shell drift]

yes

[sand umbra]

I'd say like 20% increased for 4-5 seconds is good

enough for it to make a difference but not so much that you nuke everything ten times harder than you already do

[steep island]

apply flash and switch a high burst damage weapon like eternity or something

rinse and repeat

[shell drift]

"And in a flash of light, nothing remain" except most things, they can stay

[sand umbra]

actual weapon switching strats

pog

[shell drift]

strategic weapons are good

[steep island]

or actually

even better idea

[shell drift]

thatd be ebic

[steep island]

25% increased damage from all sources except DoL's blades

for the debuff

[shell drift]

Oo, yesss

synergies go brr

[steep island]

so there's actual brain thinking involved in using it

[sand umbra]

yee

[steep island]

(switching weapons after flashbanging)

[crude geode]

Rebalancing is ongoing

[shell drift]

This is mechanic changing

not so much balancing

[crude geode]

Then you need permission from the dedicatee

[steep island]

that's me

[crude geode]

Rad

[tawny garden]

:imstuff:

[steep island]

i think giving the flash more damage and applying a debuff that makes enemies take more damage from any source except DoL's swords is a good idea

[shell drift]

should I edit my suggestion to include a debuff, or make a new suggestion entirely

[pine star]

what does that look like?

[pine star]

yeah

[steep island]

google im stuff

[pine star]

oh

[grim tusk]

Hmm yes flash then obliterate with Fabstaff

[steep island]

yes!

exactly

[shell drift]

brain think required

[grim tusk]

As if Fabstaff + enrage wasnt broken enough

[sand umbra]

fun fact: support/setup weapons are not only perfectly legal to have but often greatly increase the skill ceiling

[steep island]

i love weapons that require you to think to use them but reward you appropriately

[shell drift]

^

[steep island]

make a new one

[shell drift]

ok

[grim tusk]

Yea delete the other one

[crude geode]

Couldn’t Zach also bring up the idea of changing the weapon directly, being the dedicatee?

[steep island]

I guess I could yeah

[shell drift]

||do it pzl||

[grim tusk]

Yea it would be better

[steep island]

I would like to see what the community thinks of the idea though

[grim tusk]

And will drastically increase the chances of the change being accepted

[grim tusk]

Sounds good

[crude geode]

Gauging public opinion on a dedicated weapon is kind of a moot point imo. What’s more important is the dedicatee’s thoughts about their own item, but to each their own.

[tawny garden]

eh

he knows best

[steep island]

(no i don't lol)

I like the idea but I don't want the change to be added without other people sharing their opinions on it, whether it be from a suggestion vote or verbally in this channel

[crude geode]

I think that makes sense.

[tawny garden]

(I meant, if you want to see what others think, it's your choice)

[steep island]

👍

[shell drift]

Give the dance of lights flash a debuff

As it stands the flash is very weak and rather pointless, having it apply a debuff would help to aid in this issue.

"Blinded by the light" (name subject to change)
Increases all damage taken by 25% from any source except the Dance of Light

This would greatly increase the skillcap as you will need to plan your weapons around switching them to deal massive dps, (like ichor but endgame)

[steep island]

i think better wording is "Increases all damage taken by 25% from any source except the Dance of Light"

other than that looks good

[tawny garden]

(specific kinda)

[shell drift]

well yeah but its about a specific weapon

[safe oasis]

that's not really good reasoning

just because it's a specific weapon doesn't give it any higher chance of an extremely specific debuff getting accepted

[steep island]

if the debuff becomes one of the main points of using the weapon I think it's fine

[cobalt pewter]

Asking for a general community opinion on a thing is sometimes fine

[shell drift]

in the end its up to Zach as to whether or not it gets changed

[steep island]

also there's like

multiple weapons in calamity with specific debuffs only they apply

see: Yanmei's Knife, Snap Clam, Shellfish Staff, Time Bolt, Aestheticus

3 of which are dedicated items

[cobalt pewter]

mm

Byeah asking to the devs directly for the change should be fine I think, considering they're kinda close to rebalancing the hell named BR anyways

[steep island]

if the suggestion doesn't get accepted but gets close i'll ask a dev

[tawny garden]

BR(uh)

[cobalt pewter]

Smort

[hollow shell]

So, the specific name and numbers in the debuff is okay cuz Zach approves?

Fair enough if so, this just hasn't really happened in this way before

[tawny garden]

I still don't like it

[cobalt pewter]

ok and?

[tawny garden]

[violet sierra]

also I guess me including both options was fine

I couldnt decide which was the better suggestion so i just included both lol

[safe oasis]

tried it, failed horribly

[dapper coral]

it will never happen

it was attempted

[safe oasis]

meme channel for a server for a game that has a mainly younger audience, could imagine how that goes

[dapper coral]

and devolved into porn and stuff almost immediately

[safe oasis]

especially in a server this big

[dapper coral]

@vale vale

sorry to say, but ya gonna have to find another place to put your memes

because they don't belong in this server

ima just yeet the sugg since it's not gonna happen

[tawny garden]

wait wtf

This is worse than I thought

[dapper coral]

i'm pretty sure that's what happened, anyways
i wasn't there but that's the hearsay

the opportunity for memes was given, and things far worse than memes were received

[cobalt pewter]

Wasn't this rejected?

Or did I forget smth

[dapper coral]

time for searching

[safe oasis]

doesn't he already drop mushrooms

and that's like all you need for shroomite

[dapper coral]

#suggestions-voting message

[dire loom]

yea but chlorophyte is kind of a pain to get, i see ur point tho

[dapper coral]

seems like this was the original

ages ago

[dire loom]

oh it was rejected

ah well

[dapper coral]

there's no harm in suggesting it again, though

[safe oasis]

for current sugg, why though

[dire loom]

ye

[safe oasis]

wiki exists for that reason

[dire loom]

the new suggestion is just

vanilla doesnt do it either

[sleek turret]

why literally give an advice of "are you sure that you want to fight this"

[dire loom]

experimentation is fine

[safe oasis]

and that'll also get really annoying when farming

[dire loom]

if you get killed, youll know to practice and get better gear

[sleek turret]

because its literally like implementing terms of service option to every boss spawner

people will ignore it

[ashen warren]

Well its a warning for new players

[whole sedge]

Most boss summons you have to use intentionally also..? There's very few bosses that I really think you can even "accidentally" summon really

[ashen warren]

It only appears once

[dire loom]

sure but like

why

[safe oasis]

an unneeded one

[sleek turret]

why

[whole sedge]

And a warning doesn't really mean anything as you can still first try the "hard" bosses even with it

[ashen warren]

Ok, guess its bad

[dire loom]

i think that with some hard bosses names alone you get what your into

anyway

[sleek turret]

Its like Terms of Service.

They will just ignore it.

[safe oasis]

it kind of does for like 2 bosses and then never again

[sleek turret]

EoC but thats rng dependant

[safe oasis]

what happens for moon lord and plantera

i only know skele and eoc

[sleek turret]

ah

forget that

mb

[safe oasis]

oh ok

[shell drift]

yea, the numbers and name are subject to change for balancing and w/o but the main idea is approved by zach ™️

[cobalt pewter]

Then don't use specifics ig

Just state something about the light thing giving a DR cutting debuff on hits

[hollow shell]

Yeah you don't need to say 25%

[shell drift]

thats what zach said tho

[hollow shell]

Okay

[cobalt pewter]

Zach can just specify that when he requests the change specifically to a dev

Suggestions aren't meant to be overly specific for cal environment

[safe oasis]

"but zach said" isn't really a counter

just because it's good enough doesn't mean it can't be better

[tawny garden]

remove it

afaik even Zach can't say much if 25% ends up being unbalanced

[cobalt pewter]

At least the concept should work just fine

Without numbers and name

[tawny garden]

yeh

[buoyant idol]

@ashen warren

[safe oasis]

1. “it’s cool”
2. boss sugg

both of these are not allowed

[buoyant idol]

Please remove

[ashen warren]

k sry

[safe oasis]

why’d you @ him without saying anything

[buoyant idol]

You were typing

[safe oasis]

fair

[ashen warren]

its fine

my bad

i didnt know that wasn't allowed

[safe oasis]

no worries

check the pinned docs for future reference

[buoyant idol]

Dont forget to read the rules next time

[ashen warren]

k

[violet sierra]

tbh im not the biggest fan of buffed bosses. they dont feel difficult even with the buffs

[fossil finch]

because the buffs are only stats

[fresh sun]

Weird how DOG can fly in space but can't divebomb in his first phase

Like how does he fly an entire 10 light years but not have the ability to fly 100 km

[fossil finch]

wtf who told you 10 light years

for much we know, deus could perfectly have been close to terraria when he stroke it down

anyways #lore-discussion

[shell drift]

buffing bosses doesnt make them harder @dire loom

mechanical changes to the bosses are what makes them harder

[hollow shell]

Thas not really his point

It's more comparable to the Bloodstone bosses than the Mechanical bosses

[shell drift]

tru

having carbman be more useful would be cool

as farming mushrooms the intended way = pain

[heady lichen]

I've seen this sugg like 3 times, imo there's no real reason to not do it considering the demand from the community

[violet sierra]

I dont like the bloodstone bosses either

i saw a good sugg but i dont think it caught on

which was to move Rav and make it the bloodstone source

[heady lichen]

yeah, Thomas's sugg

honestly not sure why the community isn't for it

but tbh, not much is going to change from the suggestions channels anyways

[pine star]

Idk where it is now

And I starred it

[whole sedge]

Buffing crab seems like a meh idea to me especially compared to bloodstone as Chlorophyte starts growing since the beginning of hardmode so if you don't zoom to post-plant at the speed of fast you'll likely have enough to make some shroomite plus he already drops glowing mushrooms
Plus this mod needs less emphasis on farm bosses imo

[shell drift]

the suggestion channels are a little broken imo

you cant be too specific

but you cant be to broad

and it cant require too much work

[fossil finch]

well yeah?

they are supposed to be that "perfect"

[whole sedge]

Suggs aren't really also supposed to be huge things and more so focus on small things as if suggestions held most of the power for new content in the mod well it'd be a mess

[fossil finch]

indeed

[whole sedge]

Really your purpose as a suggestor is to suggest small changes so the devs don't have to think so hard on what small things to change so they can instead focus on new funny bosses to fight et cetera

[hollow shell]

Can't be that broken considering we get multiple valid suggestions every day

[fossil finch]

bruh

yeah i think it's there because uhh

leviathan=cool pog guy that made nohits and stuff
levipet=reference to him
so=locked behind hard things (because he used to do them)

don't think it'd get changed, yeah

[violet sierra]

Yeah, its just a coincidence that theres a boss with the same name

[fossil finch]

i mean the pet does look a lil bit like levi byeah

[rancid jasper]

i understand your reasoning, but you should say Fabsol is fabulous unconditionally

so...

[fossil finch]

it's an ultra hyper cross references

[rancid jasper]

FABSOL IS FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[violet sierra]

ive never seen the pet actually

[fossil finch]

lmao

[violet sierra]

but either way

nope, i like how it is

this aint it chief

[rancid jasper]

at least say Fabsol is fabulous

[violet sierra]

no because i dont know them

[shell drift]

yeah but then you cant be too specific either

[whole sedge]

Yeah and that's a good thing..?

[hollow shell]

" If so, use code word "Fabsol is Fabulous"."

what

aight whatever

Yes, you need to get Leviathan's permission to make a change to this

[fading silo]

I did....when I was doing a randomizer mod tho.

So it wasn't rewarding

[rose latch]

don't you just have to defeat scal on death mode

[shell drift]

@rancid jasper what you mean by "use code word: fabsol is fabulous"

like what

[shell drift]

@stiff tiger seems more like a #bugs-read-pins

[hollow shell]

Maybe

Could fit in either

[earnest cape]

my sugg's fine right?

just making sure

[shell drift]

looks fine

short and to the point

[earnest cape]

[languid temple]

Can we suggest a rework for a weapon that's in 1.4 just wanna know

[frozen hornet]

Future content so no

don't worry about anything in 1.4,the devs will do something when tmod 1.4 comes out

[languid temple]

K

That you for answering my question

[sand umbra]

I'm gonna be as straightforward about this as I know how to be, because I needed to go to bed about 30 minutes ago to get my sleep schedule back after Disney, but basically:

the purpose of suggestors isn't to mention only small changes so that the devs don't have to pay attention to the shit they've already made, in fact it's quite the opposite
the main point of suggestions, given the current system's limitations and encouragements, is likely to help improve upon the stuff that's already there by making recommendations on how to change it to better suit the direction the mod is going --- whether those changes are small or large is irrelevant as long as they fall within the suggestion rules

it kinda falls apart when you realize suggestions nowadays don't tend to get anything changed unless they're like really small or already planned but, that's a completely separate can of worms that, while I am willing to open when the time is right, I absolutely will not open up at four in the morning

so, with that little spiel said and done, I bid you all a lovely night

[frail mantle]

🛫

[tawny garden]

gn

[earnest cape]

gn

[eternal escarp]

i assume you didnt finish the sugg

just a reminder, it should be a single message

title
description and reason

[tawny garden]

@snow oxide ^

[snow oxide]

i put the reason

i had to edit it

[eternal escarp]

thats spaces

not a line break

[snow oxide]

what is a line breaak

[eternal escarp]

to make a line break, you do shift+enter

[snow oxide]

ok

[eternal escarp]

its
this
thing

remove the spaces and make a line break instead ye

[snow oxide]

there

i fixed it

[earnest cape]

is it even possible to do that

[snow oxide]

idk

i just think it would be cool

i could have made it a this or that thing but

i think the other thing i would've wanted is in the dont area

[tawny garden]

"would be cool" isn't a great reason

[snow oxide]

its just really annoyyin]\hg

[earnest cape]

also it's "side by side" and "minute"

[snow oxide]

same thing

[earnest cape]

no it isn't

[snow oxide]

basically

[earnest cape]

it really isn't

[snow oxide]

whatever

people will know what the words actually are

[earnest cape]

anyway @vocal grotto is it possible for draedon power cells from the factories getting redirected straight into charging stations

[frozen hornet]

Maybe let wires or something similar connect them both

[vital condor]

You could just let them build up in the factory

and put the whole stack into the charging station

[fading silo]

I don’t even use the draedon weapons cause of the charging system.

I mean I used the summon cause it only uses charge when you summon and not when they attack, but that’s pretty much it.

[eternal escarp]

kinda missing out, most of them are prty good

[fading silo]

Yes they’re powerful, but due to me being inaccurate with aiming, it would be a waste of time to make the batteries just to charge up again.

I can keep the machines running

I just don’t like the weapons and that’s a me problem.

@snow oxide quick question. How frequently are you charging your weapons?

[vital condor]

you can get down to like 40% charge and still have 90% total damage

down to 6.something% charge and still have 50% damage

taking the gatling laser as an example, it takes 3 minutes of continuous fire to reach 40% charge

and almost 5 minutes to reach 6%

so you really don't need to charge them that often

[agile bolt]

Seems like a weird suggestion to me, i mean, i never have to refill the station even 2 times during a single playthrough

I just need a single full stack and im good to go

[wispy river]

moonlord should drop a summon that summons true eye of cthulhus that shoot lasers

[fossil finch]

[tawny garden]

"DoG should drop a summoning weapon that summons Devourers of Thots to fight for you"

er

Cosmic Guardians*

[fossil finch]

i think the best part is the fact they never suggested anything

they just said that and left

[tawny garden]

lol

[fossil finch]

nah they didn't leave the server

it was discord loading poopoo

[violet sierra]

ok but like

actuqlly though

no but like actually that would be sick

[cobalt pewter]

Isn't that just

Mechworm

But not actually worm minion AI

But actually still worm minion AI

So bad?

[violet sierra]

i mean

i imagine this would be more than 1

and also im not actuqlly makong a sugg

im just saying that sounds cool lol

[river glen]

hmm

can i suggest something about to rework mana and mana flower

since mage is pretty much absolutely anchored on it

[eternal escarp]

mana as a whole?

[river glen]

pretty much

[eternal escarp]

sounds uh

[river glen]

since if u dont have mana flower

[eternal escarp]

too big of a sugg

[tawny garden]

that's too big a rework

yea

[river glen]

ok

i guess not

[eternal escarp]

also mage works without mana flower fine if you have good regen

[river glen]

u have to stand still

[tawny garden]

(though do say what you meant by it)

[eternal escarp]

not really

i tried regen mage a bit and it worked out great (a bit better then flower in some cases)

[safe oasis]

all cases*

[sleek turret]

mana flower is decent

if you like constant damage ofc

[river glen]

i htought mana has a snail regen speed while moving

[eternal escarp]

basically

[eternal escarp]

well, use buffs and stuff

[river glen]

well, i do

but it still feels slow

[dapper coral]

if you use mana regen pots then it ain't too bad

[safe oasis]

mana regen potions remove the moving regen penalty

[eternal escarp]

ye

[tawny garden]

I used Mana Regeneration Potions/Auerus Cells throughout the playthrough

[eternal escarp]

byea h basically

[dapper coral]

you just have to not attack for like 2 seconds max

[eternal escarp]

mana rework sounds too big

[tawny garden]

up to pre-SCal I think

[dapper coral]

and you get all your mana back

[tawny garden]

or somewhere around there

[river glen]

i will give it a try

maybe ive just played vanilla to long

[fossil finch]

i always use mana regen pots instead of flower tbh

i don't like sickness
Say what you want, i believe strongly stacking up to 50% less damage is worse than waiting like 2 seconds

[eternal escarp]

((((it is))))

[safe oasis]

it's the same in vanilla too tho

[tawny garden]

the Mana Flower effect is incorporated into Ethereal Talisman so I just used that at that point

also because I became unimaginably lazy

[sleek turret]

I like Mana Flower and constant mage damage too, but I can agree it has less damage output than regenerating mana with mana regen potions.

[tawny garden]

it is, yes

[ashen finch]

And people say that waiting 2 seconds for massively boosted damage is suddenly not worth it on Rogue.

I agree that mana restoration is pretty good, but it's funny to watch people say that stealth is bad because you "never have the option to stay still for 2 seconds as rogue", when as mage it's "the norm to be able to stand still"

[violet sierra]

Regen mage is totally viable, i cant imagine playing with Flower

[sleek turret]

I play with it.

[river glen]

i guess im wrong

[sleek turret]

Its uhh, weird.

[river glen]

i never thought regen mana

was viable

because i always figured it was to slow

[fossil finch]

thing is it isn't unless you minmax upon it byeah

[tawny garden]

I've played with both

[violet sierra]

Mage has such high damage because you either

Have mana sickness
Have to stop attacking occasionally

[sleek turret]

That's the debate.

[ashen finch]

There are weapons where you do not have to minmax stealth to get ABSURD damage values.

[fossil finch]

well yeah but like 3 of them

idk lets call stealth god
atFeedza

[sleek turret]

Either;
Keep constant damage - penalty of doing that.
Good and high mana regen - stop attacking for 1-3 seconds.

[river glen]

isnt celestial cuffs a good option

or nah

[earnest cape]

its alright

[violet sierra]

in vanilla, sure

but in calamity bosses doo too much for it to be viable i think

[sleek turret]

it requires you to be hit

[fossil finch]

celestial cuffs is, indeed, god

you get hit for like 50 damage and it recovers like 200

[tawny garden]

I played badly so it helped

[violet sierra]

also if cuffs is your mana

Adrenaline

[sleek turret]

but getting hit for a 100 damage can give you 300 mana

[cobalt pewter]

Reworking mana regeneration to not be bootleg stealth would be nice I think

[fossil finch]

just get hit as you activate adrenaline

[tawny garden]

smh

[fossil finch]

trolling

[violet sierra]

Anywaays you guys have fun with that talk, i like mana as it is but im never opposed to change so

[grim tusk]

Nah it works perfectly fine, then you get Sigil of Cal and get it for free + all other boosts

[cobalt pewter]

I personally like what Overhaul plans with mana changes

But that's a lil offtopic

[sleek turret]

yeah its off-topic

[violet sierra]

oh right its in sigil of cal

I forgot

[ashen warren]

I made another arguably probably useless suggestion, but at least the soul icon could help the player practice on easier modes

[river glen]

he is pretty predictable

[ashen warren]

but ridiculously fast

[safe oasis]

wouldn't an audio cue work better here

like a roar or something

[ashen warren]

but i can still admit my suggestion sucks

[fading silo]

Nah

I've seen worse

[safe oasis]

that's not encouraging at all

[fading silo]

It's not as bad as suggesting music

[eternal escarp]

a specific attack
should say which one
a soul icon that flashes means the DoG
might be wierdly specific?

[fading silo]

There have been worse ones tho.

[cobalt pewter]

I'd still prefer visual indicators, but audio could prolly be fine for boss fights ig?

[ashen warren]

When a soul icon flashes, it means the player should move before they get hit by the boss

[eternal escarp]

audio is better since you dont need to move your eyes away

[safe oasis]

why do you think nobody notices the color changes in dog fight

[fading silo]

When the second phase hits and the DoG doesn't spawn when the beat drops

[safe oasis]

visual fight cues don't work well unless they're like really obvious

[eternal escarp]

audio uses a different sense therefore less overwork on your eyes and makes it easier to know it happens without looking somewhere else completely

also yes

DoG BG already does this

it shows when he is aggresive

no one pays attention to it

(someone suggested showing it even, showing how not many know about it)

byeah

[eternal escarp]

these

what attack?

[ashen warren]

Charging

[fading silo]

Hmmm.

[eternal escarp]

then mention the Charge instead of "specific attack"

and the "soul blahblah" sounds prty specific

[fading silo]

Soul?

[eternal escarp]

could just ask for any kind of cue, then put examples to how the cue can be done

a soul icon that flashes means the DoG is gonna charge at that specific area

this part

[fading silo]

Are item change suggestions allowed if the reasoning is well thought out?

[eternal escarp]

its better to be broad and just ask for a cue

depends

[ashen warren]

I already changed it.

[eternal escarp]

change as in, balance?

or change as in, rework?

[fading silo]

I'm just curious.

[ashen warren]

Rework

[tawny garden]

everything is allowed (except if it's in the doc)

[fading silo]

except music ofc

[tawny garden]

just not balacing as it is being done already

[eternal escarp]

this will lead to bad things

i feel it

this one message

[fading silo]

Eh. Not many read this channel....

[eternal escarp]

byeah balance sugg are a nono currently

reworks however

are prty fine, aslong as theres a good reason obv

[tawny garden]

crap, out of context it's

[fading silo]

Ok.

[eternal escarp]

yeah, thats what i meant philo lol

outta context kills people

[tawny garden]

fixed

[eternal escarp]

good

humanity saved

[ashen warren]

Yes indeed

[lyric vessel]

Like i put in 3 or 4 power cells every time

Btw hi

[fading silo]

You can put more than that.

[lyric vessel]

Ye but

I need to charge my gausse dagger fast

[fading silo]

Use other weapons tho?

[lyric vessel]

Ye

But i just started my playthrough recently

And got quick meteorite and aerialite

Then raided a underground draedon station thing

And a sky one

[lyric vessel]

Ye i was thinking that to

[fading silo]

Or just use those weapons when necessary and have the machines running as you explore the world.

[tawny garden]

isn't it done in 1.5

yes

[cobalt pewter]

352 - The Rev+ increased Nurse price as you progress now applies to all modes (will be removed in 1.4 anyway because 1.4 has this feature).

[tawny garden]

#changelogs message

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

[tawny garden]

@twilit warren

[twilit warren]

nice

[safe oasis]

i don't think that's the point

he's saying like complete removal

[twilit warren]

oh wait

[safe oasis]

not the price ramp

[twilit warren]

its just price

[tawny garden]

mm

[twilit warren]

the prices in 1.4 are still quite low for what it provides

[tawny garden]

should prolly specify in the title that by nerf you mean that it's disabled

(unless only I am dum)

[twilit warren]

i can see that

trying to find a way to fit it into the title

there

[tawny garden]

a bit clunky but it works

[twilit warren]

yea

[eternal escarp]

wait i just noticed

#suggestions-posting message

expert, normal and easy

terraria has an easy more in 1.3.5?

am i missing smthn?

[twilit warren]

i dont think so no

[eternal escarp]

its a nitpick but

just got me confused kekw

[snow oxide]

ye i saw that to

[tawny garden]

oh lol

@ashen warren there's no "easy" mode

[fading silo]

So. I have a suggestion about the rover drive. I want to suggest that instead or along with the added 10 defense that there should be a chance or not of the shield taking a hit instead of the player getting hit because....it’s a shield.....is this a don’t?

I just don’t want to write for a good couple of minutes just to be shot down

[cobalt pewter]

Not exactly

It's not a don't ig

[grim tusk]

Another dodge

And pre-hm

[cobalt pewter]

But I do feel like Rover Drive is a bit inconsistent

[grim tusk]

^

[cobalt pewter]

Not bad, just inconsistent

[grim tusk]

But it good

[fading silo]

I was going to add a cooldown so that it wasn’t completely busted. Also I could add an indication of when the cooldowns are done.

[cobalt pewter]

There's no way to know when it'll pop up

[safe oasis]

#suggestions-posting message

little no
little to no*

[cobalt pewter]

It'll just do

[fading silo]

No. The thing has a 20 second cooldown apparently

[grim tusk]

So essentially pre-hm black belt

[safe oasis]

remove the question mark from title too

otherwise good

[fading silo]

I could add consistency to the suggestion

[fading silo]

Also it’s a rare drop so it’s not like players will get it with ease...unless they have cheat sheet or hero’s mod.

Also wulfrum rovers aren’t that common

[grim tusk]

Yea but still too strong for fricking pre-hm

[fading silo]

I was going to say with a 30 second cooldown for the shield hit

[grim tusk]

Considering you are proposing that it should be pre-hm black belt

And dodges are stupid strong and being reworked next patch

To be more consitent, and guess what, black belt is becoming exactly what you are proposing

[fading silo]

...

[grim tusk]

Heck the reworked black belt has a longer cooldown even

[fading silo]

Fine half damage or 1/4 damage reduced

[grim tusk]

Thats far better

[cobalt pewter]

You're making a bit too much outta Rover Drive imo

It only needs a way to be consistent in use

[grim tusk]

1/4 dmg is prob enough but yet top much for a pre-hm accs

[fading silo]

It’s just 10 defense for 10 seconds with a 20 second cooldown. That’s all it does.

Rn

[grim tusk]

Yea current rover drive but more consistent would be far better

[fading silo]

So basically suggest a more consistent rover drive?

[grim tusk]

Yes

[fading silo]

Can I add slight knock back resistance?

Like a smidge

[grim tusk]

Sounds good

[fading silo]

Ok

Off I go

There

I tried not to make it sound like a lot of work, but I might have failed

[safe oasis]

this just makes it worse

[fading silo]

How?

[safe oasis]

you can only get hit once then mega cooldown

like pre hardmode bad flesh totem

[fading silo]

I can change it to something else.

What would make it sound better?

It could be take one hit. That hit is shielded. Then cooldown

[crystal iron]

woulnt that make the 10 defense like, completely uselss, you get hit, then the sheild goes away, completely disregarding the 10 bonus defense it gives you

[fading silo]

Hmmm

[crystal iron]

also, this might just be me but maybe replace "would" with "could", just to make it sound less specific ,but idk

[cobalt pewter]

These are

Extremely specific

For a rework concept

[fading silo]

...

Too much?

Btw. The / represents options or I can separate each one

[cobalt pewter]

I can't put it into text yet but like

[ashen warren]

they disabled autopause for the nurse in 1.4

[fading silo]

Here let me separate each idea. Maybe that will help

[twilit warren]

autopause helps but its not the only reason its overpowered

[cobalt pewter]

Seems like the numbers aren't really an example of how the concept works, instead it sounds like they "should" be like this

That kinda deal

[fading silo]

Well. The shield is inconsistent

So it’s kind of unavoidable with this Suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

It's not really unavoidable at all, you can propose on how the rework entails without stuffing numbers

[fading silo]

I fixed it

Lol

[crystal iron]

still might want to repplace would with could

[fading silo]

Where?

[crystal iron]

where it says "the reork would be"

[fading silo]

I just noticed

Thanks

I still have that other idea, but I think this suggestion is much better than what it was when I first posted. Thanks for the help.

Also. I don’t think it has an actual debuff indication so that could be added...maybe

[fossil finch]

make the planetoids more barren. it feels like thats how thyre supposed to be, i mean, theres loot left behind, turrets installed, etc etc but no life, so expanding upon the notingness would make the planetids more exciting to explore

what

since when was nothing exciting to explore

[whole sedge]

Yeah I don't see how that's making them more interesting..?

[fossil finch]

terraria exploration is so lackluster precisely because the world feels fucking dead

[fair ledge]

Yeah surely youd want more things to explore

[fossil finch]

1. make variants of planetoids. they all look near identical.
   i mean uh

they already use different blocks and shits

the only solution would be unique shapes there and uh

iirc, all planets are round

so uh

[fair ledge]

Also true

[ashen warren]

Unique Music

As if it doesn’t already exist

[fair ledge]

Yeah theres already other mods that add in Blessing of the Moon(?)

[violet sierra]

uh, it does?

[clever canopy]

Tbh most of the reasons to explore in terraria aren’t because of blocks, background or music but for loot

If planetoids had unique loot then people would visit them more

[violet sierra]

the planetoids are incredibly useful

[clever canopy]

In the very early game yes, but after a few hours of play they’re pretty pointless for progression purposes

Biomes like the abyss, the underworld and the dungeon work because the content they have is locked behind certain progression, making you visit them more often

[ashen warren]

Planetoid loot could be more unique, yes. But I think the current loot on them already makes them a worthwhile visit.
Next update iirc is letting luminite spawn on planetoids so that’s there

[clever canopy]

Yeah I don’t think it’s a massive deal and wouldn’t make improving them a priority

[whole sedge]

I mean really planetoids imo are kind of fine and they already do have pretty unique loot of the lab that's unique to them plus of course the easy accessibility to early game ores and gems which gives them that use of one of the best ways to get early game ore armors and gem staffs etc

[violet sierra]

the herbs and planter boxes

are a godsend

[whole sedge]

Really everything on the planetoids are people just seem to not use them for some reason though, even if you don't want the ore armors and such selling those bars is a nice way to get a large chunk of cash to instantly give to goblin scammer also.

[violet sierra]

Scammer getting regulated in the next updated

[whole sedge]

it's almost like that's why it was strikethrough'd Regardless though planetoids still kind of have unique and very helpful loot you just actually have to realize what you can do with them. Stuff like getting Exodium Clusters easily is also amazing too

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Small thing with your sugg
You mention an "Easy" difficulty alongside Normal and Expert
There is no Easy difficulty, Normal is the lowest

[tawny garden]

(I pinged them for that several hours ago, no response)

(so they're prolly asleep)

[hollow shell]

Ah well

[ashen warren]

I mean I wouldn’t call it unique as you can find everything in planetoids in other places but overall yea they provide good loot and the herbs are a godsend

Also diamonds for free magic storage

[whole sedge]

I mean exodium is kind of unique to planetoid minus its wacky recipe that i despise and Cinderplate but

[hollow shell]

@twilit warren Do you not know about the Rev+ Nurse price scaling?

[twilit warren]

The most it would cost is 9 gold and by then you would most likely have 100s of platinum

[hollow shell]

Look closely

Prices are multiplied by 5 during boss fights

[twilit warren]

It’s still really not that much

[hollow shell]

That's half a platinum every time you try to nurse cheese during SCal

[twilit warren]

And even if it was a lot, you still have the ability to heal to full hp during a fight

I don’t think anyone is using nurse on scal

The main source of cheese is pre ML

[hollow shell]

Alright
You should at least acknowledge this change in your suggestion, because it's worded as if you don't know that this is a thing we already do

"incredibly cheap price", "could be changed to a hefty fee"

[ashen warren]

Nurse cheesing should be disabled for every boss except moonlord /s

[tawny garden]

so you can heal about a thousand times, assuming that you also forget how to earn money

[hollow shell]

(With what source of income? We're removing Arma farming )

[tawny garden]

(Source of income: playing)

(literally never arma farmed, had ~500 Platinum by the end of the run)

[twilit warren]

there changed

[twilit warren]

same

[ashen warren]

You can still farm BoC without arma

It’s just 1/6 times as efficient

[hollow shell]

You still don't really acknowledge it

I meant something like "The price of the Nurse does scale in Rev, and even gets more expensive during boss fights, but the raised prices still aren't nearly high enough to dissuade people from this strategy."

[tawny garden]

so if I arma farmed, I would've had more than 2147 Platinum coins in a stack by the end, at which point I would roll into negative integers and couldn't buy anything?

[twilit warren]

you guys are kind of missing the point, you shouldn't be able to heal to full HP instantly in a bossfight. If it was made more expensive, it might fix the issue, but the suggestion is to prevent nurse healing during bossfights entirely

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah there we go
I see the sentence

Aaaand

@fading silo What do you mean it isn't consistent, and should be more consistent?
You say it twice but you don't elaborate either time

[fading silo]

Good point

I think that fixes most of the confusion

[hollow shell]

Aight that's clearer yeah

[fading silo]

Cool

[tawny garden]

something tells me that this ain't happening

[gray nebula]

true..;

i would like one (one) seeing the new boss before the others

[grim tusk]

thats an instant ❗ and we all know why

testers are people who are trusted by Fab

you must gain Cool Dude to be tester

[tawny garden]

lol, it's a valid suggestion, actually

[grim tusk]

yea since there are no rules against it

[tawny garden]

just that its chance of success is 0

[grim tusk]

will get instant 🚫

[crude geode]

If a suggestions’ chances of being implemented are like 0, is it still valid to go into voting.

[grim tusk]

and once a dev sees it there

[novel belfry]

whooo

[grim tusk]

🚫

[tawny garden]

ideally yes, in practice no

[novel belfry]

that's an interesting suggestion though

[tawny garden]

@hollow shell hi

[novel belfry]

But it probably won't get in

[dapper coral]

gotta be honest this reasoning isn't helping imo
it seems like the main idea is so that there's more content

in which case... just wait for the update?

[hollow shell]

Ehhh I mean
Yeah, this practice is not unheard of, having an opt-in beta branch to report bugs on and potentially expedite the development process

[crude geode]

Testers kinda already...do this though.

[hollow shell]

The reason probably should focus more on how it would benefit the development team rather than... 'fun', and YouTube content

Yeah but that's a team of like 20 people versus the public

[tawny garden]

the public is kinda dum tho

[crude geode]

@royal grail ^

[grim tusk]

also mentioning nohitting in the sugg and it not being related to armaggedon lowers the chances even further

[shell drift]

correct

[grim tusk]

and besides testers occasionally show us vids of fights for us to comment on em

some even send test logs (in this sever too)

[shell drift]

public betas can work, but they can also hurt

[tawny garden]

nohitting doesn't even have anything to do with the sugg

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's kinda weird

iunno why Edip mentioned nohitting

[grim tusk]

yea its just word bloat

[grim tusk]

See: Overwatch (why the fuck do they keep nerfing Brigitte and Sym and Bastion dont get buffed for once, cuz many unnexperienced players keep whining about em)

[tawny garden]

tbf if I was writing an essay I would do the same

[dapper coral]

they're trying to tie it in more to the idea of "more fun for everyone"

which is not what the reasoning should really be about in the first place, as already mentioned

[shell drift]

the only part of the suggestion i can see working, is giving youtubers access to betas so they can do controlled sneak peeks

[fossil finch]

ok a public beta can be, in fact, nice

[zenith hazel]

that seems a bit random

[fossil finch]

but not for "jja funny new content earlier"
the reason not everybody is a tester is because not everybody actually can qualify as one

[ashen warren]

A public beta kinda sounds like it would be a mess

[fossil finch]

the sugg should indeed focus more into the benefits for the devs instead of what it does now...
whatever it is

[zenith hazel]

there's not much that'd benefit us

[grim tusk]

The Cal team isnt Supercell or any company like that, and would generate the same issues we mentioned already

like spoiling shit

[zenith hazel]

because the testing team we already have is more than enough to test for bugs and all

and when bugs are a thing, we usually push out hotfixes anyway

there's also the issue of trust, as established

[fossil finch]

public betatesting works much more for way smaller mods

not calamity

[grim tusk]

do you seriously think someone without Cool dude role is gonna get taken seriously when talking about balance (unless like the devs directly ask em or see people ranting about shit (photovisc, fearmong, etc))

[fossil finch]

(community-wise, i mean)

[whole sedge]

Yeah this would likely be just kind of a whole mess as I don't see what this community could do that the testers wouldn't do better really? Yeah they might find slight bugs or balancing issues but also might cause a massive headache for the developers and just an overall mess so

[fading silo]

True

Remember when terraria almost failed because people were able to pirate it. (The Original. Like first of all.)

[whole sedge]

The only real benefits public betas have are for more "major" games, like EFT, where the dev team is more than just a casual mod and make cash off of that or have a lot of things that need tested without a dedicated testing team.

[fading silo]

Also a public beta can lead to a lot of bugs and a lot of people screaming at devs to fix their game and can lead people away from the game.

[whole sedge]

Yeah, for new people who don't realize that it's a beta build there's likely gonna be a lot of screaming and headaches from it

[fading silo]

Yep

It's most likely going to be shot down a day or less after it hits the star requirement. Unless it gets taken down by one of the mods

[whole sedge]

It's already been exclamed as it's chances of being accepted are zip so there's no real purpose to even having it be moved to voting

[fading silo]

Mhm. It's not a suggestion that breaks the rules. It's more the fact that it will just lead to more stress on the devs

Well. According to the conversation above us

[fading silo]

Imagine being Cool? Too bad I'm already too cool

[tawny garden]

I'm hot

[fading silo]

[ashen warren]

literally or-

[royal grail]

Public beta is a already requirement of a professional developer. It was always something that should have happened. I don't think it makes sense for you to make it look like new.

[crude geode]

Not really

[tawny garden]

many games/programs in general have been developed without a public beta

[crude geode]

Nintendo and other triple A companies don’t usually do public betas.

[hollow shell]

(And we're not professional developers, we're unpaid hobbyists making a mod, and we already have a dedicated testing team)

[crude geode]

^

[royal grail]

then I'm ok with that

[hollow shell]

Alright

[violet sierra]

are we supposed to notify someone when our sugg gets over 200

[tawny garden]

it's going to be delivered eventually

have patience

[violet sierra]

I only asked because a recently posted sugg has a mark, to be clear. I was being patient but that made me worried that I was missing some part of the process

[dapper coral]

it would appear that eventually is now

brb

[tawny garden]

[violet sierra]

sorry

[dapper coral]

nah it's all good

[tawny garden]

if it actually takes too damn long, like a week after it got 200, do tell

[violet sierra]

yeah, it had only been like, a day, i was just being impatient

[dapper coral]

sigh

[violet sierra]

ill be more patient next time

[dapper coral]

if only discord let us search by reactions

[tawny garden]

though I don't remember any occasions like that

[violet sierra]

do you want me to link it

[dapper coral]

actually would that be helpful idk

nah i found it

it's the sentinel dog summon one right

[tawny garden]

yes

[violet sierra]

yeah

[dapper coral]

aight i got it

[violet sierra]

ty

also, i thought of an idea for a weapon but those kind of suggs arent allowed (and for good reason)

[hollow shell]

m

If you try hard enough, you could convert it into a general suggestion

[violet sierra]

Nah, its a pretty specific idea, and along with SIS, it might break the dont about upcoming content, but I don't know what qualifies as that

[hollow shell]

Alright

[worn salmon]

howd that crabulon suggestion make it in without 200 stars lmao

[ancient mirage]

bluecheck means its been suggested multiple times

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[hollow shell]

🏁 means that it got in, ☑️ means frequently suggested

[earnest cape]

public beta? this ain't minecraft with snapshots dood

[inner lark]

Wouldn't fabsol have to add teleportation potions to changlog 533?

[hollow shell]

May deem it okay because it's a moderately rare consumable and is more difficult to cheese with
.. or it'll get added soon

Either way prolly not valid to sugg cuz your reasoning would be based heavily on the fact that we're adding all that anti-cheese next update

[inner lark]

Ah that makes sense

Thanks

[hollow shell]

👍

[dapper coral]

aren't teleportation potions totally random? in which case you'd have to be pretty lucky to get any sort of cheese value out of em

[shell drift]

changelog 533 should (maybe is?) be a config option, enabled by default

teleportation potions can be useful for some bosses but they are mostly useless

teleporters are op asf tho

[hollow shell]

We almost never make balance decisions toggleable
The only ones I can see are Expert+ debuff duration, Death Mode weather hazard rate (can't be 0), and Lethal Lava

Wait no the Expert debuff one makes the game easier

So, just DMode weather and Lethal Lava

neither of which pertain to boss fights really

[earnest cape]

cue the sugg to make all weapon nerfs from calamity toggleable

the reason you need cool dude role is so you're trusted to test stuff beforehand

[muted osprey]

(makes sense tho)

[warm scarab]

yes but

[distant gyro]

(lol)

[earnest cape]

like if random people did it they could just literally post the test versions early cause lol

[warm scarab]

i get the point

[distant gyro]

randos can't apply and go leak shit in 3 seconds

and then get instabanned but the damage is already done

and repeat

[warm scarab]

you mean instantly

yeah i suppose

[muted osprey]

but the point of an appliance system is to ensure that won't happen?

[earnest cape]

you can still just watch piky's streams which is close enough

eh?

[distant gyro]

Anyone can fake an application

[wooden wedge]

I mean

Applications aren't always trustworthy

[shell drift]

how do become cool

[distant gyro]

as in sounding the best they can be and then proceeding to be a dick

[earnest cape]

i think that's the reason you don't get insta cool dude from being mod now?

[wooden wedge]

There isn't really a way to get CD

[distant gyro]

yes

[shell drift]

you just have to be cool

[distant gyro]

Being able to do your job in high authority does not equal being able to be trusted

that just means you can do your job

[mossy vapor]

what does the untouchable role mean?

[distant gyro]

rev nohit

[wooden wedge]

Not the right channel

[earnest cape]

i suffered through nohitting

byeah

[mossy vapor]

oh ok

[earnest cape]

info channel should have the info about it

[shell drift]

nice

[hollow shell]

:epic:

[earnest cape]

oh while on the topic 200 stars #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

yo m

[shell drift]

does the bot send them to the dev server when they get 200 stars? <@&242038163512623104>

[earnest cape]

the bot doesn't send them to the dev server

[dapper coral]

please don't try to ping roles

it doesn't work, anyways

[shell drift]

I am aware

[earnest cape]

testers send mod suggs to dev and mods send server suggs to staff channel

[dapper coral]

almost any semi-regular person in these channels can answer most questions about the sugg channels so just... don't do that, even if you don't mean any harm by it

[warm scarab]

🤔

[warm scarab]

[shell drift]

bruh is called a joke

I know you cant ping devs

[earnest cape]

"it's a joke" isn't a valid excuse

[shell drift]

I don't need an excuse tho

thas just a reason

[ashen warren]

Then don’t make up a bad one

Ez

[earnest cape]

ye

[shell drift]

is not a excuse its just my reason

[whole sedge]

My guy just stop so you don't dig your own pit please

[dapper coral]

that doesn't mean it's okay

anyways, move on to sugg talk

[shell drift]

what do yall think about #suggestions-posting message

[earnest cape]

suggesting cal npc to be out now

[ashen warren]

I think it’s a bit dumb tbh

I think testing the player’s reaction time on a semi-endgame boss is pretty valid

[earnest cape]

im not against it but eh imo

p1 lasers are in a set pattern aka right left right left etc and p2 just don't run aimlessly and you should be fine

[shell drift]

You can react to it fine, but its hard to stay still long enough to not be hit

imo the delay between indicators and laser firing is too long

[ashen warren]

Not really, unless your wing flight time extreme low

And even then you can hook into the platform

[whole sedge]

Yeah really platforms, infiniflight mounts and more can fix that which I suggest using on doggie

[ashen warren]

Magic carpet is also good if you can switch accessories mod fight

[languid temple]

Did someone say my name?

[shell drift]

no???????????

[frail mantle]

doesn't seem like it, no

[tawny garden]

another toggle

how many can there be?

[warm scarab]

good question

:hdflr:

[fading silo]

Seems interesting, but does this also apply to arctic diving gear?

Cause it grants extra mobility on ice due to it being a combination of jellyfish diving gear and the ice skates. Though it's just a diving helmet.

[warm scarab]

yes

i said "ice skate effects"

altho

why tf

would you use arctic diving gear

on any boss

[fading silo]

Well...you wouldn't....unless you're fighting giant clam and have it, but then again you should use the ocean crest whenever it's not abyss/void.

But it still provides the effect

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
As if DoG wasnt easy enough
Build an arena with a decent amount of platforms if lasers are causing you too much trouble, brimrose can also help
DoG is a post-ML boss he’s supposed to be hard and test your skills, and the telegraph is already really long already

#suggestions-posting message
Doesnt frostspark boots give you tons of mobility if on ice, also its easier to just use lightning boots instead, and why would you use the slidding for bosses (what no WASD challenge?), its pretty slow compared to most bosses (even pre-hm)’s speed
also frozen slime blocks exist

[earnest cape]

yeah like

why do you have ice on your arena

[tawny garden]

To slide

[earnest cape]

[agile bolt]

Pressing movement buttons is too hard, i just want to quickly double tap dash and dont have to push another time

[safe oasis]

just use frozen slime blocks :tro

[fading silo]

But sliding seems like an inconvenience when fighting a boss.

[shell drift]

the only time I've seen sliding be useful is when crabbar was doing a no movement keys challenge

[sleek turret]

this sugg is very specific (maybe???) on some parts

[safe oasis]

specific and i can’t find any real reasoning

[tawny garden]

yeh

[cobalt pewter]

@tender temple what's the point?

And yes, it do be specific

[tawny garden]

Also, "the other sea place"

[cobalt pewter]

[safe oasis]

ocean isn’t real

[tawny garden]

Sunken Sea

[sleek turret]

and also its maybe one of those "new biome" things added to the mod, not sure

[grim tusk]

Also wont work due to debuff

And air

[cobalt pewter]

The air thing is pretty ech imo, let me make house in abyss :feelschungus:

[sleek turret]

Dom said on #calamity-update-talk that it could bring up Dungeon and Abyss issues such as being destroyed by the Dungeon.

[river glen]

u know... its called abyss fishing

and plus, u would have to murder a couple of sharks on the wya there

and it has to be locked, because getting them pre WoF is broken

[tender temple]

Well there's a research station in space, the other underground sea place, hell and the caverns. why not have one in the abyss

[eternal escarp]

because it doesnt have a reason to exist

atleast not yet

[river glen]

space?

[safe oasis]

"why not" isn't a very good reason tbh

[eternal escarp]

planetoid

[safe oasis]

center planetoid

[river glen]

oh

oh yeah there is one

[shell drift]

the other underground sea place?

[grim tusk]

Sunken sea

[shell drift]

the sunken sea doesnt have a research lab?

[river glen]

there is one in the jungle, underground, ice, and underworld

[eternal escarp]

"why not" isnt a reason
and another reason its not a thing is cuz its not needed

[river glen]

and sunken sea

[eternal escarp]

it does

[shell drift]

wot

[river glen]

it does

[shell drift]

u sure?

[eternal escarp]

yes

[river glen]

pretty sure

[shell drift]

i never seen one there

[river glen]

it may be off to the side

[eternal escarp]

well then check it

in any case

[river glen]

i dont think its directly inside the sunken sea

[shell drift]

even then, why would draeodon put a research station at the abyss

[eternal escarp]

you have any reason as to why this should be a thing?
if theres no reason other then "why not" or "it'd be cool" or the like, then maybe it shouldn't be suggested

[shell drift]

huh

neat

[fast quail]

There is one in the Sunken Sea

[shell drift]

@cobalt pewter but why would anyone ever build in the abyss

its like

the worst possible place to build

[eternal escarp]

id love to

if i could

[tawny garden]

Ah yes

Love me some suffocation in the morning

[eternal escarp]

byeah uh

[tawny garden]

At high barometric pressure

[shell drift]

and some blindness for bed

[eternal escarp]

@tender temple ?

[tawny garden]

(read the doc in the pins etc. etc.)

[eternal escarp]

yeah should also do that in any case

[cobalt pewter]

I see you haven't played Subnautica

[tawny garden]

ok but you don't die constantly in subnautica

[shell drift]

epic ocean with cool fish =! dark empty water hole

[tawny garden]

yeah

That too

[eternal escarp]

(subnautica also has a dark empty water hole byeah)

[shell drift]

having immunity to anti-air, would be cool for some walls, but i dont see a real need for it

[cobalt pewter]

ok but you actually do

[shell drift]

byou dont build in it

[tawny garden]

You aren't supposed to go there shh

[eternal escarp]

(i did kek)

((its not intended, just brought it up for the funny))

[cobalt pewter]

Subnautica has a pressure system to control building on deeper levels

It's too complicated to be implemented for cal

[tawny garden]

((Subnautica is coded as badly as terraria btw))

[eternal escarp]

((haha yes))

[tender temple]

Well the abyss doesn't really have any backstory in the actual game unlike hell and the sea place so it would bring some of that, also it would give casual players who don't want to do an insanely hard boss rush another reason to make the abyssal diving gear and go down there

[sleek turret]

uhh

[cobalt pewter]

(they at least as a base system for demolishing structures from pressure, so they have that)

[eternal escarp]

the abyss has backstory iirc

[sleek turret]

I think on the lore Tenebris and Planty Mush are Silva remains or something like that????????

[eternal escarp]

theres abyss lore on the wiki atm too iirc

[cobalt pewter]

(imagine your housing blocks broken just from being too deep)

[tender temple]

whats iirc, iirc

[eternal escarp]

if i recal correctly

[cobalt pewter]

(honestly I wouldn't mind that for cal, a pressure-ish system that breaks blocks under a certain mining power, but that won't work for building blocks)

😔

[eternal escarp]

(or remember correctly)

[tender temple]

oh ok

theres lore on hell, space and the sea place aswell probably

but they still have research stations

[eternal escarp]

theres lore for the sulph sea, corruption and crimson

they dont have stations

[tender temple]

they should do

[eternal escarp]

(crags too)

[tender temple]

there should be a station for every biome

[eternal escarp]

why should they?

[sleek turret]

uhh

[tender temple]

but the abyss is just a very important biome

[sleek turret]

that would bring a shitton of issues

[tawny garden]

There is no lore for it in the reference source

[tender temple]

since thats where you get the op stuff

[eternal escarp]

thats

[safe oasis]

(that doesn't make any sense)

[eternal escarp]

not really correct

[shell drift]

abyss stuff isnt very op