suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

With Armageddon it allows you to die

It adds something that the player can’t do otherwise

But making your weapons unusable is something the player can do themselves

Just thrust them into to magic storage or something

And it’s immediately unusable

[earnest cape]

nohitting without armageddon is possible with the player itself

it's just harder

[ashen warren]

Armageddon adds in a game feature the player can’t implement themselves, this “no weapon” curse implements a feature that players can already do

Within the confines of the mod anyways

[earnest cape]

same with armageddon, since instant death mod also exists

[ashen warren]

.

[earnest cape]

without instant death mod the player can just stand there and take all of the hits

i doubt it'll reach star req but whatever

with the config on you won't be able to use weapons same with armageddon but in this case not being able to get hit by anything

both just makes it easier to do x stuff

it's a new and unique idea so doesn't really matter is what I'm saying

[ashen warren]

When you impose a “don’t get hit” limitation on yourself it’s overall harder to do due to the amount of things that might happen if you don’t instantly die from a hit. If the boss is really low your summons can kill the boss, or you might leave your mouse on left click for a bit too long and accidentally kill the boss etc.

If you don’t want to use a weapon you just don’t have a weapon in your hotbar

[earnest cape]

not using summoner and save quitting exists

the sugg's alright anyway so I doubt discussing about it more will change something

[ashen warren]

My point is adding in this feature is literally useless for 2 reasons
1: if you want to limit yourself to not use weapons it’s already an easy option
2: Boss rush with accessories only isn’t viable.

Also my point about Armageddon is that it makes things easier due to actually having an effect on the game that you can’t do otherwise. With Armageddon you can die and reliably make sure that summons don’t kill the boss. Without Armageddon that’s much harder depending how low the boss is

Armageddon is actually useful because it implements a game feature the player can’t within the confines of the mod

[shell drift]

you could say that about the other curses, same with the defiled feather.

[ashen warren]

The difference is that you can’t increase the difficulty of the game without these items

You can however, not use weapons if you want to

[shell drift]

you can just not wear wings

[ashen warren]

You can

[shell drift]

bam you have defiled feather

[ashen warren]

Defiled adds higher drop rates

[shell drift]

no

thats the other one

[whole sedge]

which is also why defiled's getting reworked iirc and why they're wanting to get rid of curses

[ashen warren]

I mean then yea defiled feather just kind of exists

[earnest cape]

defiled's effects are gone

besides reducing flighttime

[ashen warren]

There’s a reason why it’s being removed as a game mode

[shell drift]

wati which?

huh

defiled isnt a gamemode

[ashen warren]

Difficulty*

[shell drift]

its just a challenge

[whole sedge]

(Also defiled in current calamity version does increase drop rates according to the wiki so )

[ashen warren]

Defiled feather only kinda exists to be defiled, since the difficulty is gone

[ashen warren]

Which adds a significant change to the game which the player can’t implement within the confines of the mod

[earnest cape]

which is really random and weird for this item to have it so it's getting removed

[ashen warren]

That’s kind of unrelated, but yea

[warm scarab]

what the fuck

a perfect sugg

[crude geode]

@mighty knot Might wanna consider the fact that rage is getting overhauled next update.

[earnest cape]

yeah rage is good™️ from what I heard

[dapper coral]

can confirm

rage is good™️

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

Eh
The rework doesn't change these permanent upgrades afaik

So he doesn't need to

[cobalt pewter]

The rework does change the upgrades

They only raise Rage duration by 2 seconds when used

[tawny garden]

Ah

ig he should consider that ye

[earnest cape]

also true melee no longer grants rage

[muted osprey]

[earnest cape]

at least getting it is easier now

[tawny garden]

it was a bodge anyway

[muted osprey]

no hitters now have a chance to get rage

[earnest cape]

we already have nohit qol by dom with potion of darkness wdym

[tawny garden]

[frozen hornet]

true melee still gives you a lot of rage because you have to stay close to bosses anyways

[still zodiac]

Would suggestion about adding more overhead summons (or those that are on top of the player like tundra flame blossom or saros') be valid?

Just wondering if its even worth adding, I just find that type of summons cool and consistent most of the time

[frozen hornet]

perhaps

[still zodiac]

I'll think about it then

[frozen hornet]

[fading silo]

Is Astrum Aureus getting reworked? I love the fight but the boss is hard due to the fact that it slides and it can easily catch up to the player when it jumps.

[earnest cape]

if you're the same level as him go the opposite way he's jumping and if you're above him just fly up quickly

[fading silo]

Thanks

[mighty knot]

but is it still better than adrenaline?

[fossil finch]

i mean

it is more reliable than adrenaline now

not even boss-exclusive

[tawny garden]

being non-boss exclusive was always a point for rage

[earnest cape]

it doesn't have to be better than adrenaline

[tawny garden]

just that there's usually nothing to do outside of bosses

[earnest cape]

and plus adrenaline is much harder to get than just being near the outline of an entity

yea

[cobalt pewter]

Mfw I wanted to sugg something but stealth suggs are discouraged atm

[earnest cape]

:jaja:

[cobalt pewter]

also the sugg prob won't get far anyways

since it's about resetting Stealth when a boss spawns

[tawny garden]

wtf anme pfp

[cobalt pewter]

shut

[tawny garden]

yeah wait till 1.5

[wooden quartz]

not sure that's anime

[tawny garden]

shut

[cobalt pewter]

it is, but that's offtopic

In any case

Yeah I guess it's a 1.5 thing

[shell drift]

astral biome requires 950 blocks??

[mighty knot]

alright imma yeet my sugg

[clever dagger]

yep

[shell drift]

tf why is so many

[clever dagger]

ikr

[mighty knot]

not as many as you think

you can just use astral solution

[clever dagger]

its same as desert iirc

[shell drift]

for making artificial biomes thats a lot

[clever dagger]

my second point too, its super immersion breaking to leave the biome by just flying up a tiny bit

[tawny garden]

300 if you're in the snow biome

[shell drift]

desert requires 1500

i dont think astral biome should require so many

especially becasue it has boss fight tieds to it

[clever dagger]

no, it requires 300 astral ice in addition to the 950 any astral

[safe oasis]

Firstly, it makes creating an artificial astral to fight bosses extremely annoying
none of the bosses need astral to fight in tho

just to spawn

[clever dagger]

well aureus and deus dont enrage outside of the astral

imo they should but whatever

[shell drift]

even still

it does break the immersion a bit

[tawny garden]

(CalamityWorld.astralTiles > 950 || (base.player.ZoneSnow && CalamityWorld.astralTiles > 300))

[clever dagger]

really? huh cool

the suggestion is mainly for second point tho, it really kills my immersion

[wooden quartz]

Same reason for those of us who suggested it previously. Maybe we should bring up that it makes the Death mode changes very weird and such as well cause if you jump high(which happens in low grav) you leave low grav.

[tawny garden]

@gritty shore that's a don't, read the doc in the pins

[gritty shore]

oh sorry

I dont see whats a dont about that in the doc, which thing exactly are you talking about?

[dapper coral]

adding the interlude themes

[gritty shore]

oh

[dapper coral]

you're not allowed to suggest adding more music because big file size

[gritty shore]

Oh alright, i didnt see that in the doc, sorry.

[dapper coral]

np

[wooden wedge]

I'll just delete their sugg then since I guess demik forgot

lol

[fading silo]

Am I allowed to suggest special slots or is that a don’t? I know that we can’t request items and etc., but what about slots?

[wooden wedge]

slots for what

[dapper coral]

you are correct

ty

[fading silo]

Like diving gear, wings, basically things that take up unnecessary space for things that buff your strength cause you can’t have your regen band and your worm scarf out at the same time cause your shield is taking up a slot.

[wooden wedge]

sounds like it'd be horrible to balance

and also wingslot mod

and cheat sheet extra slots, antisocial, other things (probably)

[fading silo]

Mhm.....is there a slot gained after moon lord?

[wooden wedge]

yes

celestial onion

[fading silo]

Ok.

[wooden wedge]

you can get like 7 acc slots in calamity I think

oh there is a dont for more slots

[fading silo]

It’s mainly early game issues and hardmode and I know that post ml is getting reworked and all.

[fading silo]

Thanks for letting me know. I always forget the specifics cause people have lots of ideas and suggestions and I completely get why we can’t suggest it now.

[safe oasis]

accessories are balanced around having to waste one of them for mobility like wings etc

[wooden wedge]

that's what the suggs doc is for

[safe oasis]

which is why wingslot is considered cheaty

[clever dagger]

ngl i dont get why so many people use wingslot

[cobalt pewter]

Extra slot

[clever dagger]

yeah its basically just cheating an extra slot

[frail mantle]

Sometimes you just feel like having an extra accessory slot

[tawny garden]

from a technical standpoint, I would say that it's quite impressive that it's so stable

I've never encountered a bug with it iirc

[clever dagger]

well in my experience with it you need to click quite a bit to get an item out of it

[tawny garden]

But it's unbalanced yeah

[vital condor]

It's incompatible with Fargo's Soul

[tawny garden]

fuck fargo

[sleek turret]

tmod crashes if you put SoE on wing slot

that is like, the only thing that wing slot has a bug with

[vital condor]

yup

[shell drift]

a summon slot would be cool

thats more of a seperate mod type thing tho

[cobalt pewter]

Ahhh

See here, how should I put it

[wooden quartz]

@ashen warren that's not how that works

[cobalt pewter]

Read pins.

[wooden quartz]

read the pinned docks

[ashen warren]

K

[heady storm]

Read pins, needs reasoning.

Tell them what is actually wrong.

[cobalt pewter]

Bunnies are cool

But like

Why

[ashen warren]

Because

[cobalt pewter]

That's your answer, have a more solid reasoning

[ashen warren]

Why not

[cobalt pewter]

That's not a solid reason

[heady storm]

Why for Calamity as well.

[cobalt pewter]

Mhm

[ashen warren]

I'm new to calamity :D

[heady storm]

Mmmmm that will not do.

[ashen warren]

I'm just checking out this server

[fossil finch]

lmao

[ashen warren]

I think my suggestion is great

[grim tusk]

needs reasoning

[ashen warren]

Damn

[grim tusk]

like why do we need more bunnies

would it be useful

what is the purpose of more bunnies

and dont be specific

[ashen warren]

Bunnies are cool

That's more than enough reason

[cobalt pewter]

No

[grim tusk]

the why part needs to not be
"it'd be cool/cute (OR ANY ADJECTIVE)"; you need to give more reasoning

like what it its purpose

[ashen warren]

I see

[grim tusk]

why do we need bunny

[twilit warren]

B U N N I MOMENT

[gray nebula]

bnuyy

[hollow shell]

(I'll delete for now)

[shell drift]

@ashen warren u need a title

[cobalt pewter]

Seems a bit specific

[shell drift]

and that sounds like a sis

[cobalt pewter]

Plus no real reason for the sugg to exist

[ashen warren]

oh sorry didnt know

[cobalt pewter]

Like

Why would cal need this

[shell drift]

t3 acid rain loot maybe?

u need to format ur suggestion properly

[ashen warren]

i think it suits calamity because there are other weapons that can do similar effects but i kinda wanted a more flask version

sense i dont think flasks are used that much maybe im wrong?

i think theres only a few in mid game (blood moon ?)

also whats a sis?

[hollow shell]

"Specific Item Suggestion" is what that stands for

This isn't too specific, so it could work

if you give it better reasoning

What do you mean "a flask weapon that buffs you when you fight?"

figth

[heady storm]

This sounds like Demonshade’s set bonus.

[hollow shell]

It sounds like any buff potion

[heady storm]

Not really.

[ashen warren]

well it could buff you whenever but its more cader pvm - it can be used for any class it just dosent hurt the enemy

nor debuffs it buts still a weapon

[heady storm]

They want a damage buff that lasts for a few seconds endgame, which is what Demonshade gives you.

[hollow shell]

"cader pvm" ???

[ashen warren]

lits better suited when your figthing a enemy

it can be used whenever

[heady storm]

Literal boss rush meta.

[hollow shell]

Okay, yeah
That does sound like Demonshade's set bonus

[ashen warren]

i dont know the grain and salt of the game saldy just a quick idea

wanted a flask type weapon to be used more

maybe instead of dps buff

it can use some other buff?

tbh maybe debuffing the enemy would suit it better

[hollow shell]

Well that's just
Ichor, or Marked, right?

[ashen warren]

idk how it could be unquie tbh

alchemical flask is a equipable flask that debuffs enemys

[hollow shell]

There's this
https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Mad_Alchemist's_Cocktail_Glove

post-Dragonfolly

[ashen warren]

that works

tbh its nice knowing more of the game

[grim tusk]

post-ML since swarmers exist

[hollow shell]

Right

[grim tusk]

i wonder why that change was made

[cobalt pewter]

low%

[hollow shell]

^ pretty much

It's just so you can fight Yharon immediately after ML

[grim tusk]

bruh

even if its a 15 min+ fight

[pine star]

@fair cradle There is already a Calamity Texture Pack

[fair cradle]

oh

[fossil finch]

uh

this isn't a job for calamity

this is a job for unofficial calamity music mod

[safe oasis]

discord.gg/rfTsVwC byeah

caltp exists

[twilit warren]

I feel like blessing of the moon by dm dokuro would work well as a credits song

[fossil finch]

the sugg has nothing else to do with a texture pack tho
oh it was edited

[twilit warren]

But idk if something like this would be implemented

[safe oasis]

also

pretty sure there's something about music suggs being a don't or whatever

[fossil finch]

not like they can do it before 1.4, however

yes there is

because file size

[fossil finch]

this feels unnecessary, has no reasoning, and isn't a job for calamity on the first place

whenever tmod 1.4 exists, ucmm will probably take care of that anyways

[safe oasis]

oh they meant like vanilla 1.4.1

future content sugg moment

[zenith hazel]

@fair cradle ^

[fossil finch]

it breaks every rule it could reasonably do

[zenith hazel]

but the music thing isn't in don'ts

so idk

[fair cradle]

.

I was just asking if like someone could compose a credits music thing ;-;

[zenith hazel]

well it's not exactly practical either

[fair cradle]

Then I'll do it myself.

[hollow shell]

Byeah this is a future content sugg

Can't make suggestions about vanilla 1.4 stuff

tMod ain't there yet

[twilit warren]

From what I gather this channel is pretty harsh so that only good and practical suggestions make it to the devs

[fossil finch]

can i pass an invite to unofficial calamity mod music server here
aar could ask there for this i think, even tho it is 1.4 related
nvm

[hollow shell]

We do have a good deal of rules and we do enforce them

[fair cradle]

DMs, if possible

[safe oasis]

well i mean if it's not allowed it should be in the don'ts thing imo

feels like a major enough thing to be included

[zenith hazel]

I said that because I wasn't sure if it should be in dont's

so yeah

[safe oasis]

m

nvm guess i'm blind

[fossil finch]

it should probably extend to, in general, add whatever's theme

[zenith hazel]

somehow ctrl f sucks ass

thanks chrome

[hollow shell]

Not Chrome, docs

If you don't scroll to that section of the page, it's not loaded

[fossil finch]

rn it only like, mentions unused themes

[zenith hazel]

that's still kinda dumb

[hollow shell]

It is.

And yes it does only mention unused themes

So

[safe oasis]

honestly wouldn't that fall under the implementing removed things don't anyway

why not reword to be more towards general music

[hollow shell]

it is not definite on whether or not adding a new theme for a new thing is disallowed
But considering the reason provided
It's probably disallowed logically

[zenith hazel]

they're not really removed

[hollow shell]

Indeed, they are not removed

[safe oasis]

removed before being implemented

[zenith hazel]

so scrapped

[manic aspen]

aren't boss rush curses being removed

[ashen warren]

Yea iirc

[tawny garden]

Removed from the config

Doesn't mean that they're removed from the mod

[hollow shell]

All of them?

I only know that the Xeroc one is

[cobalt pewter]

Xeroc curse only iirc

For 1.5

[violet sierra]

i dont agree with this Calamitas suggestion unless they added a way to fight her with Phase 1 again

[safe oasis]

then don't star it

that's kinda the point of the star system

[eternal escarp]

i mean tbf

phase 1 cal is just like

lowering your guard

it looses its point after the first fight

you dont really loose anything from it

or from removing it, that is

[violet sierra]

I guess, but I just prefer to not lose these sort of unique asp[ects of the fight

Though this is far less important the issue DoG has

So its not a huge deal

[shell drift]

will scal brother phase be changed in the update

as its far too easy

and let's the player stall to heal n stuff

[eternal escarp]

if the player wants to stall then thats kinda on them tbf

also if it needs to be changed itd prolly get tweaked when they get to her in the post-ML rebalance

if the devs dont see a need then she wont get changed

basically, might not be a good time to sugg anything for scal

[shell drift]

Id just want it so that instead of the brothers going away when you kill them, they become invulnerable until both of them are killed

You kill them but they don't go away until you kill both

Would be 😎

[eternal escarp]

this

better wait for the update to come out (or news regarding if scal will also get mechanically changed)

[cobalt pewter]

Uh

Most of non-rage nor adren related rev exclusive items are being moved out of Rev

Mostly going into Malice

And Malice exclusive items drop directly instead from bags afaik? Not sure if it's confirmed yet

[grim tusk]

Yea they will drop directly

[glass spruce]

sorry not super familiar with future calamity content, just play current calamity a lot and thought it was dumb

[eternal escarp]

well, they are basically loosing exclusivity

[cobalt pewter]

Check FAQ in #calamity-update-talk for details ig

[eternal escarp]

(legendaries technically wont loose exclusivity due to coding shenanigens)

(but its a wierd thing)

[cobalt pewter]

(Malice exclusive things will still be an exclusive technically ye)

[eternal escarp]

(they will be moved to malice exclusive (instead of just enraged boss exclusive) due to MP de-sync issues iirc)

[cobalt pewter]

(also some stuff like Counter Scarf and Teardrop Cleaver are being made into Challenge items)

(which originally weren't Legendaries nor RIVs)

(but rev exclusive for counter scarf)

[fading silo]

So is counter being changed to malice mode only?

[hollow shell]

Yes (afaik)

[dapper coral]

yeah it will be

changelog 501 afaik

[fading silo]

That stinks.

Unless malice is just rev being renamed?

Idk how to feel about this change tbh. Counter is kind of a better shield of Cthulhu but I think it needs some sort of tell/indicator that lets you know that you can evade the next hit with the dash.

I know there’s the debuffs

But they’re not noticeable and I’m not always looking over at them.

[dapper coral]

malice is not rev being renamed, it's a gamestate that makes it so that bosses are enraged for the whole fight

personally i like it because it means you have to work for the better SoC instead of getting it free

[eternal escarp]

(counter isnt really better then SoC, it depends on the circumstance and prefrence)

[dapper coral]

I think it needs some sort of tell/indicator that lets you know that you can evade the next hit with the dash.
i mean, you could sugg a visual indicator of some kind, probably

[fading silo]

Are small things like the merchant selling things like the depth meter and stuff a don’t for suggestions?

[hollow shell]

You can suggest that

[grim tusk]

With the new changes Scarf will indeed be better than SoC rather than SoC just being stupid with its iframes.

Also regarding Scarf. Will evasion scarf be malice only now?

[fading silo]

Also what is considered a successful dodge for the counter scarf?

[grim tusk]

When you get the debuff

[hollow shell]

As long as you provide reason why the current methods of obtaining it aren't good enough

[shell drift]

the vanilla way of getting a depth meter is more than reasonable, so i personally dont think it should be sold by the merchant

[fading silo]

Depth meter was an example

[hollow shell]

It is an uncommon drop
which we almost always provide alternate methods for obtaining

[shell drift]

true

itd make more sense to be craftable tho

but alternative ways of getting things like that are nice

[fading silo]

I’m looking in recipe browser and there is no calamity crafting recipe for depth meter. Even tho it’s uncommon.

I’m not going to suggest new recipes though

Is the counter scarf only being moved to a new mode or is it getting a stat and ability change too?

There are a lot of changes in the logs so it’s hard to go back and look

[grim tusk]

Iirc it has a recipe

[hollow shell]

Depth Meter doesn't, from what I can see

[grim tusk]

Or maybe im confusing it with another item

[fading silo]

What is lirc? And why do some people say iirc or something like that?

[pine star]

If I Recall Correctly

[hollow shell]

"if I recall correctly"

ye

[grim tusk]

Yea i confused it with metal detector

[hollow shell]

Also I think Counter Scarf is just getting moved
I don't think it's getting any functional changes but it might get buffed a lil

[grim tusk]

Which makes it inconsisent, why doesnt it have a recipe unlike detector

[fading silo]

Also the colbalt shield calamity recipe isn’t that helpful. It’s a recipe that isn’t available till hardmode lol

[grim tusk]

Yea makes sense considering all of the cheese SoC allows

It need buff

[hollow shell]

Indeed
There are a few recipes which are designed only as catch-up

[fading silo]

Got it.

[eternal escarp]

it did get a lil buff in the logs

dunno if you added anything more since that change on the dev versions byeah

[safe oasis]

tbh same can be said about RoD

[fossil finch]

yeah

[safe oasis]

you could combine both into one suggestion

[fading silo]

Ok

[fossil finch]

also this kinda also applies to

Mirrors

other scarfs

[safe oasis]

mirrors?

[fossil finch]

anything that dodges the next update

[safe oasis]

oh the rogue thing

[dapper coral]

rogue mirrors

i assume

[fossil finch]

rogue's mirror accs yeah

[fading silo]

Wait

Everything is getting indicators?

Wait

Nvm.

I thought I was suggesting something that was already being done lol.

[fossil finch]

byeah point is kinda

all dodge accs will have this sugg apply to them next update

[hollow shell]

Not really

All dodge changes are getting replaced with cooldowns

That doesn't necessarily mean they'll be given indicators too

I don't think

[fossil finch]

aren't those cooldowns debuffs

well, one debuff

[hollow shell]

Counter Scarf does have a debuff

Kid is suggesting that the debuffs aren't enough

[fading silo]

Yes, but that still isn’t a tell as to whether or not you can or can’t evade the next attack.

[hollow shell]

Well, it is

Counter Scarf is a guaranteed dodge

if you land it

[fading silo]

That’s an issue

The if you can land it.

[fossil finch]

uh not specified on the changelog i see

[hollow shell]

wdym kid

You're not just gonna dodge an attack that didn't hit you

[fossil finch]

i mean there's some red clouds coming off you if you dodged it so that's an indication for having dodged something

[fading silo]

Well what counts as “landing a successful dodge”? What is labeled as a successful dodge? Cause I’ve dodged and gotten hit without the debuff. So what activates it?

[fossil finch]

that's an iframe issue

[fading silo]

Like is it right at the start?

[fossil finch]

not a dodge one

[hollow shell]

You need to dash through the attack

"Grants the ability to dash; dashing into an attack will cause you to dodge it"

[fossil finch]

a dodge simply triggers the debuff and the buff and ignores the damage of an attack

if you happen to dash and not pass through it, you haven't even dodged

[fading silo]

So what is the buff?

[fossil finch]

if you get the debuff and buff but then also get damaged after that, that's as i said an iframe issue

[hollow shell]

You get both of these when you dodge

[fading silo]

Ok. Also why from 15 seconds to 13 seconds with the scarf upgrade?

[hollow shell]

...

[fossil finch]

because uh
it's an upgrade

[hollow shell]

because it's an upgrade

[fading silo]

Increased distance, halved or more than half chaos state or something, and longer buff duration?

[fossil finch]

yes well

isn't it donor anyways

[hollow shell]

I dunno if the dash is further

[fossil finch]

it is

[hollow shell]

but the buff does grant better stats, and the cooldown is shorter

[fading silo]

I checked it is

[fossil finch]

not much but it is

[hollow shell]

aight

[fossil finch]

don't get why you mentioning it but anyways this is not the point

[fading silo]

It’s like a quarter distance or less longer.

Ok

[fossil finch]

thing is, this sugg can be said 'bout a lot of things

so you may want to tackle all of them at once

[hollow shell]

Well he does kinda

[fading silo]

I didn’t want to write a mega list

[tawny garden]

multiple suggs in one are a no

[hollow shell]

I guess you could make it clearer in your reason that this does not only apply to Counter Scarf

[hollow shell]

It's fine if they all surround the same issue

[tawny garden]

m

[fading silo]

RoD and counter give off almost the exact same effect.

Also normality relocator

But I’d rather just talk about the counter scarf cause it’s used throughout the entire playthrough if not most.

[fossil finch]

pretty different i think but whaever

Chaos scarf uhhh
Counter Scarf

[hollow shell]

The one thing I'm concerned about is that you say the Counter Scarf dodge isn't guaranteed, when it is
You could argue that it's difficult to activate I guess, or weirdly unreliable, and the indicator would help you get a feel for it better maybe??

[fading silo]

Oh

[hollow shell]

(also yeah you call it Chaos Scarf on accident)

[fading silo]

Thanks for the notice

[split urchin]

Doesn't the Black belt not have an indicator?

[hollow shell]

It doesn't have an indicator for when the cooldown is up, because it has no cooldown

yet.

[fading silo]

True I could also mention those items, but they are solely based on the chance to evade.

[hollow shell]

It does have an indicator for when the dodge happens
Counter Scarf does too

puff cloud of smoke

[fading silo]

Yes, but master ninja and all those other items aren’t a guaranteed dodge and that mechanic has been around for as long as master ninja gear was a thing.

That’s a vanilla mechanic

[hollow shell]

Indeed

They're all RNG dodges

(except Counter and Evasion Scarf, there is no RNG involved with them)

Regardless, all the RNG dodges are being changed to cooldowns

in the upcoming update

[fading silo]

Just that an indication would be nice so that I’m not dodging into attacks and getting hit or just dodging when I think I can evade.

[split urchin]

Would that make it too easy then?

[hollow shell]

Well, no, cuz there already does exist an indicator

in the form of a lack of debuff in your debuff bar

[tawny garden]

the debuff ends

[hollow shell]

It's just that that can be hard to look at mid-fight every 15 seconds

[tawny garden]

difficult to see it though tbf

yeah

[fading silo]

Exactly

[split urchin]

What about a sound?

[hollow shell]

That could work

[tawny garden]

(maybe mention the debuff thing in the suggestion)

[split urchin]

I should

[fading silo]

I didn’t want to specify cause that felt like a don’t.

[hollow shell]

Yeah you could make it clearer that you want an indicator for when the dodge cooldown ends

Cuz you just say "Dodge Indicator"

[fading silo]

Ok

[hollow shell]

which can mean an effect when you dodge

which already exists

[fading silo]

Should it be cooldown indicator or just a notice/noise?

Like how adrenaline and rage give off a sound when fully charged

[split urchin]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

You could provide both as examples

or rather, possible solutions

[split urchin]

Maybe a poof sound

[fading silo]

I just put sound and gave adrenaline and rage as examples

Also I would complain about stealth but I feel like that’s unnecessary cause it’s stealth strike meaning one hit or not multiple attacks.

[hollow shell]

Again, you're suggesting an indicator for when the cooldown ends, right?
Or are you just suggesting an indicator for when you execute a dodge and begin the cooldown?

[fading silo]

Indicator when the cooldown ends.

[hollow shell]

Alright
That could still be made clearer in your title

[fading silo]

I made it more specific so it’s not like the buff needs the indicator

[hollow shell]

Much better 👍

You still say that it's only a chance dodge, but I guess I can't convince you otherwise on that

[fading silo]

But that’s what the tooltip says

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

what

[fading silo]

Nvm

I was blind lol

Also I could suggest something about the rover driver shield cooldown, but I would like to keep this suggestion just about the counter scarf.

It’s a neat item

[hollow shell]

I guess there is no visual indicator for when it comes back on

so, maybe

[fading silo]

This is a don’t. But it would be cool if the shield slowly reformed around the player, but that takes coding.

[tawny garden]

a don't?

why

[fading silo]

Don’t they say: don’t say “it would be cool?” In the don’ts?

[tawny garden]

m

[fading silo]

Also that rover drive suggestion would take time to code and possibly new sprites.

[tawny garden]

rover drive*

[fading silo]

I don’t care

[tawny garden]

and that's nbd

[fading silo]

Literally spell check be like

[tawny garden]

not like you're asking for a boss

[fading silo]

True.

Maybe

[safe oasis]

this would also be extremely innacurate though?

DPS completely depends on defense and DR

[hollow shell]

It would likely be quite difficult to get an accurate number for a lot of weapons yeah

[safe oasis]

which is why dummy testing usually sucks for getting accurate dps measures

[shell drift]

always sucks

unless the boss has 0 defense and dr its innacurate asf

[safe oasis]

oh yeah uh @little charm ^

[hollow shell]

Well not just cuz of Defense and DR

[safe oasis]

forgot people don't actually check here usually

[hollow shell]

cuz you can take that into account depending on what you're up against

It's mostly cuz of the incredible variety of what different weapons do

[shell drift]

that too

[hollow shell]

How they affect i-frames, how inaccurate they are

[safe oasis]

imagine trying to get dps counts for ranger

all those arrow and bullet variations

[hollow shell]

Burning Sky would have a ridiculously high DPS number cuz you're not supposed to land every proj

[safe oasis]

worms

[little charm]

Yeah it would probably be really inaccurate but at least it's something. Reading the base damage is practically pointless.

[little charm]

True, but the base damage is calculated independently of ammo type, so I figured the DPS stat would do the same

[hollow shell]

It would be very hard to get a remotely accurate number
Because the DPS display would need to somehow grab the number of projs the weapon shoots as well as how each of them affect enemy i-frames
The latter of which is stored in a separate file from the weapon

[safe oasis]

not really possible to do

[hollow shell]

And if we do it manually, that's an incredible workload that would need to be updated whenever the weapon gets changes

[safe oasis]

like half of a weapon's dps is based on ammo type

it would also have to update after every accessory change, taking into account armor pen and stuff

don't think it's possible tbh

while this is a really good idea on paper, it falls flat when trying to execute, basically

[little charm]

Well, for an accurate reading, nothing will ever replace the DPS meter, but my rationale for suggesting this was just to make it easier to compare two weapons on paper

[safe oasis]

substituting an innacurate stat for an equally innacurate stat doesn't help much, really

[little charm]

Even if the game could say 20 base damage a shot x 2 shots per second x 3 arrows per shot etc would be helpful.

[hollow shell]

In fact
If you have weapons with high pierce that can hit enemies multiple times, but don't home, then how would that account into the DPS calculation?
If you blindly use all the possible times it could hit the enemy, that DPS number could be incredibly inflated for some weapons, because in practice you're only using up a much smaller amount of the weapon's pierce
What if the weapon has infinite pierce?

[little charm]

I'd say keep it simple and ignore things like DR, armor, piece and i-frames.

[hollow shell]

Well then weapons that get a majority of their damage from ignoring i-frames would have super low DPS numbers
like...

almost all post-ML weapons

[little charm]

That's true...

[safe oasis]

also wouldn't this violate this don't anyway?

seems like a monumental amount of work

[hollow shell]

Well

That's kind of a stretch

But I will say that this would be very difficult to get right

Very very difficult

[little charm]

My plan was to just calculate base damage x number of projectiles x #of shots per second x average damage increase due to crits

[safe oasis]

what if it shoots a varying amount of projectiles per shot

like p90 or phantasm

[little charm]

Take an average

[hollow shell]

And that calculation would work fine for very accurate and also early-game weapons

But once you throw i-frames into the mix, things get very misrepresentative very fast

[little charm]

True, but the current stats shown for each weapon already suffer from that innaccuracy

[hollow shell]

And what if the projectile the weapon shoots has a secondary projectile? Like an explosion on impact?

Like Inferno Fork?

[little charm]

I'd say take the average damage of the bonus and add it to the base, but not accounting for hitting multiple enemies or lingering effects etc

[hollow shell]

Then that just
creates a new problem, a new stat that is very inaccurate and unhelpful on some weapons

Inferno Fork (and its successors) and, say, Apotheosis
which get most of their damage from a lingering projectile hitting enemies multiple times
would look very weak

Subsuming Vortex

[little charm]

Yeah, but the current stats shown on every weapon also have the same problem

[hollow shell]

But they accurately display some aspect of the weapon
The damage number is not just visual, it actually is the damage the weapon deals on every hit

[shell drift]

it wouldn't be very difficult to do, it would be near impossible to do it accurately

[hollow shell]

Your proposed DPS number is a constructed one that is designed to give you an accurate in-practice number

which is, impossible

[shell drift]

and if it gives you an out-of-practice number, its basically useless

[safe oasis]

no point in fixing an innacurate stat with another stat if it is also innacurate and has the same problem

[hollow shell]

Do note that the DPS Meter and Super Dummies do exist

You can get in-practice DPS numbers already

[safe oasis]

tl;dr

[hollow shell]

Yes those are not super accurate all the time, but they are more accurate than what you're proposing because they actually are generated from the in-practice action

[shell drift]

even better is luiafk super dummy, as you can set its defense and damage resist

[hollow shell]

Yeah, and its hitbox is large like most bosses

[safe oasis]

you can't set damage resist

[hollow shell]

(You can set defense at least)

[shell drift]

oh rip

[little charm]

My thinking was this would be a way to compare weapons without crafting them, since many have extremely complex recipes. The game is too complicated to ever make the stats perfect, but it would make item descriptions slightly more accurate since it's extremely common to upgrade to a weapon with a lower base damage

[safe oasis]

well it's usually common sense the upgrade is better

except for the dreaded aegis

[hollow shell]

I understand, that it can be difficult to tell what the better weapon will be before you craft it

You can look at the wiki's class setups page or ask in #help-advice-read-pins if you want
cuz, unfortunately there's no good way to show that in-game

Although every weapon that is available to you at your most recent stage in the game should be about equal

[crude geode]

and if it isn’t, it’s getting changed next update to be equal

[hollow shell]

(Not just next update, all updates
Balancing is an ongoing process)

[safe oasis]

well, postml at least yes

[crude geode]

True

[little charm]

(Yeah the wiki is an absolute godsend) but it would be nice if I didn't have to keep alt+tabbing all the time

[hollow shell]

That's the Terraria way :P

[crude geode]

Alt+tab and wiki are kinda the basis for terraria, unfortunately yeah

[safe oasis]

shift+tab on steam like a chad

[little charm]

I find the in game browser slows my game down. Idk if that's just me :/

[little charm]

No greater truth has ever been spoken

[crude geode]

Is this still a valid suggestion, or would it be too much work?

[hollow shell]

I'm unsure on whether to ❗ it or not
Cuz if it gets sent to the dev server it's gonna get rejected anyway

[shell drift]

dev server invite link plz

[grim tusk]

aint the iframe shit fixed next patch?

[hollow shell]

What do you mean "fixed"?

[grim tusk]

adding an average dps to all weapons also it would be useless considering all factors there is on a fight

[grim tusk]

like they actually being affected by iframes and not being able to hit extremely constantly (thinks like vanquisher arrows, sdfmg, alluvion/monsoon tornadoes, etc)

[hollow shell]

That's an intentional part of their function, why would they be changed?

[grim tusk]

balancing maybe

although i should maybe ask the testers again, perhaps things have changed

[grim tusk]

returning to the sugg, it gets invalidated by aim, movement, defense, dr, iframes, etc.
a thing like that will NEVER be accurate

[shell drift]

the weapons are balanced around ignoring i-frames

[fossil finch]

ok yeah this

this is just

too much work to be applicable

[grim tusk]

those where the current ones, iirc some things with iframes were gonna get adressed at that tier

but we'll never know

[fossil finch]

even removing all other aspects of the sugg, it is just too much work

you can't get dps by simply multiplying use time and damage or smt like that

there's just so much factors that apply here

it'd fall flat whenever a piece of equipment is, well, equiped

or whenever you attack something with def above like, 4?

[shell drift]

especially ones like nanites

[grim tusk]

wiki setups is just an outdated guide that still mostly works

but imagine babysitting class setups

[violet sierra]

an average dps tooltip would just lead to even more ignoring of fun but not exactly optimal weapons, imo

[grim tusk]

yea its best if you experiment and find whats good and whats not

[safe oasis]

not really sure what this sugg is saying honestly

[fading silo]

I think it’s about how damage reduction isn’t a stat that is displayed

Or maybe how complicated it is

Idk. It seems like multiple things

[fossil finch]

uh

the point kinda

the thing is

dr is displayed in game by simply stating out the dr

that's not the actual problem

the problem is that it isn't additive and you don't know that
but tbf
damage works the same like always

[barren otter]

calamity changes how DR is effected, and its not a normal formula that most games use, so it could feel misleading, that it isnt multipliciive

[safe oasis]

it is multiplicative though?

[fossil finch]

i don't see how changing the way the stat is put out would help with that

yeah it is multiplicative

[safe oasis]

5% is 5% idkwym

unless you mean like

the curve?

[fossil finch]

unless you like stated the formula of everything

[fossil finch]

that's, indeed, multiplicative..

[safe oasis]

i’m not seeing the issue here?

[fossil finch]

thing is, calamity halves the actual dr you get (curve)

uh, nvm

it doesn't halve it

[safe oasis]

that’s what diminishing returns does yes, the curve™️

[fossil finch]

it just is less efective the more you have

yeah yeah

For example, if the player has 25% DR, it will be scaled to 1 - 1⁄(1 + 0.25) = 0.2, or 20% DR.

yeah this sugg wouldn't work at all

[barren otter]

yeah it can be a little misleading however

[fossil finch]

because that's like asking to put every formula

damage isn't straightforward either

or regen

[safe oasis]

or anything other than defense tbh

[fossil finch]

defense itself is not much straightforward

[safe oasis]

(it is, relatively)

[fossil finch]

byeah there's just not an actual way to solve this

[barren otter]

ok

[little charm]

What if the game showed your actual DR next to your defence?

[fossil finch]

unless you like, put the formula in-game or display the dr post formula

but the second does not work because of how the formula works so

[safe oasis]

just steal thorium’s DR indicator

[fossil finch]

yeah

[earnest cape]

stat meter exists

[fossil finch]

that's nowhere near the point

read above

~~wait

stat meter can display post formula dr

does it do that already

[earnest cape]

why would it post the formula

it shows dr

[fossil finch]

post formula

not "post the formula"

[earnest cape]

pretty sure it does

[safe oasis]

like effective DR is what you’re trying to say

[earnest cape]

ye

[fossil finch]

the guy says it's misleading to see the big numbers but then the formula is applied

so

ye

stat meter page says shit yaay

[earnest cape]

it's intended

and this is a dedicated item

[vocal grotto]

Patron asked for that, ye

[earnest cape]

❗ moment

[safe oasis]

@rancid jasper ^

[rancid jasper]

yea?

[safe oasis]

read above

it looks exactly like how the patron that asked for the item intended it to look like

[rancid jasper]

oh

i did not know that

sorry

[earnest cape]

yeah yeet the sugg

[hollow shell]

@rancid jasper This is why it's not the same orientation as Last Prism:

Pink Floyd album cover.

[rancid jasper]

wait THAT is what it was based off of?

that is really cool

[earnest cape]

I tried to find that image but I didn't know what it's called

[hollow shell]

Yeah

The tooltip even says
"And everything under the sun is in tune,
But the sun is eclipsed by the moon."

Lyrics from Eclipse

[grim tusk]

Dark side of the moon album cover

[rancid jasper]

well, i dont listen to Eclipse, so i did not get that refrence

[earnest cape]

wegud

[hollow shell]

aight

[grim tusk]

Pink Floyd*

[rancid jasper]

i listen to good songs, such as Calamity mod music, or Split mod music

[hollow shell]

(Eclipse is a song by Pink Floyd, in the album Dark Side of the Moon which as that prism album cover)

[safe oasis]

anyway getting a bit off topic

[hollow shell]

But, yeah

your suggestion

[grim tusk]

❗

[safe oasis]

is this even exclamation worthy? nothing you can really add, more of an outright deletion thing

[grim tusk]

actually :perhaps:

[earnest cape]

yes it is

dedicated content

well

thats true ig

[fading silo]

That suggestion isn’t even a suggestion tbh. I don’t want to be rude or anything but that seems more like a complaint and not a suggestion. Like yes suggestions are complaints, but they don’t straight up say that this just down right awful.

@rancid jasper also Dark Spark is an upgraded last prism. The sprite might be un-appealing to you, but it’s an upgrade and saying how it should be last prism will not work.

[hollow shell]

(he was already pinged with why it is the way it is)

[ashen warren]

It's in the frequently asked questions so a mod should just delete it

[grim tusk]

yea we told him already

[rancid jasper]

that is fair

[fading silo]

It’s all good. I have my dislikes too. I can understand why it’s unappealing visually but it’s at least an upgrade to an already powerful weapon.

[shell drift]

its a good weapon but using it feels wrong

[charred moon]

Icl if you have the alchemist box mod the seat cannon is overpowered in pre hardmode

[eternal escarp]

?

[frail mantle]

the what

[cobalt pewter]

Seat cannon...?

[frozen hornet]

Icl

[violet sierra]

i had a neat idea just now

A something is approaching for the sentiels if you are in their biome amd have the Rune of Kos in your inventory.

[earnest cape]

what would the point be if you already have rune of kos tho

[violet sierra]

lore gameplay cohesion

[earnest cape]

ah

[violet sierra]

also because i think something is appraching and other such random spawns

make bosses feel less video gamey

and like actual beings that exist in the world

[eternal escarp]

i mean in this case the lore connection wouldnt exactly be annoying gameplay wise

so it might be a fine suggestion? i dont know where this really falls kekw

[hollow shell]

Are you talking specifically a Death Mode actual approaching message, or something similar to that which happens in all modes as long as you got the Rune?

[violet sierra]

It could just be Something is approaching or it could be all modes, i guess i should decide which i want to say before i post

[twin timber]

natural DoG spawn when all 3 sentinels have been defeated

I mean, 3 of his best men died

[hollow shell]

That would be less desirable

[eternal escarp]

void isnt really a man

[twin timber]

Why doesn't he want revenge?

[violet sierra]

does he care about them?

[eternal escarp]

maybe SW?

but idk, lore shenanigens

[hollow shell]

Sentinel fights are short enough that having them randomly spawn wouldn't be dreadful
DoG is a boss you really want to prepare for though

[violet sierra]

qhes also willing to kill SW if it became a threat, although that questionable canon

[eternal escarp]

i mean yeah ig

doubt DoG cares for anyone other then himself tbf

[twin timber]

is DoG that much of a douchebag

[cobalt pewter]

DoG sorta cares for SW, since they're the last of their species, but Signus is fairly valuable iirc

CV is whatever

[twin timber]

what about void

[cobalt pewter]

[frail mantle]

dog is a rat bastard

[twin timber]

nobody likes void

[violet sierra]

CV is not even alice

alive

[frail mantle]

when his sentinels die he definitely goes "ah for fucks sake" and then grumbles a bit while getting ready to fight the player

[violet sierra]

Also, a much more minor thing, and I dont even know if ill make this a suggestion or not

I dont like how the Cosmic worm spoils the part of the fight where the sentiels show up

[ashen warren]

#suggestions-voting message

[shell drift]

The dance of light would be cool if the flash deleted enemy projectiles

who's the dev and can I ping them

[frail mantle]

deleting projectiles probably isn't a good idea

[shell drift]

yeah but it'd be cool

and the flash makes it so you cant see them

[frozen hornet]

Ah yes render SCal useless

[eternal escarp]

itd be cool isnt a real reason

[shell drift]

Not really

[eternal escarp]

also yeah, that sounds pretty broken

[frozen hornet]

how so

[shell drift]

it only triggers after you hit the same thing 200 times

[eternal escarp]

i mean, still

[frail mantle]

remember how meme relic of persistence or whatever that one tank guardian drop was

[eternal escarp]

why should it happen?

[frozen hornet]

brimstone moons are projectiles,meaning deleting it means removing the moons from the fighta nd also clears the whole area

sounds absolutely broken

[frail mantle]

casually deleted brimstone moons

[eternal escarp]

is there any real reason as to why it should be a thing?

[frail mantle]

same happened with gael's greatsword iirc

[frozen hornet]

dance beam is already really good

[shell drift]

because it blinds you, so itd make sense to either give the player temporary invulnerability or delet the projectiles

[charred moon]

@charred moon Star

[eternal escarp]

itd make sense is basically like itd be cool

[shell drift]

"And in a flash of light, nothing remains" except projectiles, they can stay

[frozen hornet]

dance flash really doesn't seem that bad

[charred moon]

Sorry with alchemist NPC the star cannon is op at least pre hardmode

[frozen hornet]

with alchemist npc

[eternal escarp]

with alch npc

yeah

[frozen hornet]

What about without

[eternal escarp]

calamity isnt balanced with alch npc

[shell drift]

Alch npc makes the grind go away

[frozen hornet]

indeed

[shell drift]

Star cannon is op if you farm stars

alch makes it so u don't have to do such

[charred moon]

@shell drift sound like a slogan

[eternal escarp]

itd make sense isnt really a reason

[shell drift]

Its not a suggestion for #suggestions-voting

As its a dev weapon

So the dev would have to like and want the change

[eternal escarp]

in that case why is it being talked about here

[frozen hornet]

[charred moon]

Ok ok

[shell drift]

because idk how to contact @randomzachofkindness

[violet sierra]

Also this sugg pairs well with another sugg that hit 200, the world gen quirks in post ml one

(granted 200 doesnt guarantee implementation, but if it did the two would both work nicley together)

[shell drift]

It sounds cool but also pointless

[violet sierra]

Making the lore more cohesive with the gameplay isn't pointless. Its something that I've seen devs talk about wanting to do more of.

If these beings are hunting this fragment of power, why is that they only show up when I'm waving it around. Surely such an artifact doesnt need to be practically shown off and screamed about to attract their attention.

[distant gyro]

Zach#3943 (ID: 184688687391440904)

if you still consider

[zenith hazel]

sugg bot's down, notified amber

[warm scarab]

[earnest cape]

F

[fading silo]

🪑

[crude geode]

@warm scarab Why should Calamity implement this, instead of some actual wiring mod that actually interacts with that stuff?

[warm scarab]

🤔

you got a point

[zenith hazel]

bot should be back up now

[tawny garden]

Great

[earnest cape]

pog

[shell drift]

U sure thats him? @ Zach#3943 doesn't have dev role

[tawny garden]

because he retired

[shell drift]

ah

[cobalt pewter]

Giving player i-frames during the light thing is far more reasonable than deleting projectiles

But uh

[tawny garden]

deleting projectiles is op af

[cobalt pewter]

@steep island #suggestions-posting message

How do you feel about this sugg?

[tawny garden]

(already been said tho)

[cobalt pewter]

@heady storm might want to exclaim the last sugg until the dedicatee gives an answer

Oh oop nvm

[steep island]

they dm'd me about this, and I suggested instead that it just gets a config option to turn off the flash visual and that the current effect gets buffed in damage if it's too weak (i have not used the weapon in awhile)

[heady storm]

Feedza chung.

[cobalt pewter]

:feelschungus:

[heady storm]

So they need it changed to that instead.

[shell drift]

thats an entirely separate suggestion tho

mine is: weapon rework
Thats is: complex config option

[tawny garden]

balancing is done regardless of anything anyway

[steep island]

it is, but I think that's a better option than reworking a whole effect for the weapon

[tawny garden]

well, they didn't agree to your sugg, did they

[shell drift]

the damage of the flash will (hopefully) get changed and balanced in the update

as its very weak for having to have hit something 300 times

[steep island]

yeah it definitely could use a buff

[marble hazel]

true

[sand umbra]

the flash of light seems very powerful at first glance but in practice it doesn't do anything

[cobalt pewter]

To be fair a (probably simpler?) option for the blinding light shit to have its damage be a factor of total damage dealt within the last 300 hits I think but idk

[steep island]

honestly what if it did damage equal to a percentage of the enemy's health and then a fuck ton of damage normally

[cobalt pewter]

😔

[tawny garden]

Vehemence

[cobalt pewter]

Like the base damage of the current flashbang is only about 40 times the weapon's base damage

[steep island]

oh yeah that exists

[cobalt pewter]

Which is essentially less than a seventh of the hits needed

[tawny garden]

(though I heard that Vehemence is being reworked next update )

[sand umbra]

bruh moment

[frail mantle]

it is

[sand umbra]

so basically it's worthless

[shell drift]

[cobalt pewter]

Base dmg of weapon is 2077 (haha cyberpunk year) and flashbang base damage is 80k

[sand umbra]

useless

completely and utterly pointless

a flash of light that spectacular and with that much buildup should do far more

[shell drift]

such is my suggestion

[grim tusk]

Why suggesting a rework to a dedicated item (and a dev item mind you)

[shell drift]

cause I was using the dev item

[steep island]

to be fair he did ask me what I thought of it before posting it

[shell drift]

And noticed the flash is useless

[grim tusk]

No more oneshot stick, since its a Scal drop and her and Draedon are on the same tier, you would just kill Scal and obliterate draedon with it

[tawny garden]

yeah ig

[grim tusk]

It has to be made more balanced

I think a change to DoL could maybe have the flash appear more often

Although with lower dmg

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

You wanna kill everyone's eyes

[sand umbra]

isn't the entire point of the suggestion that the flash of light is worthless damage-wise

[cobalt pewter]

Noted

[steep island]

i feel like it appearing more often would just be harmful on the eyes

[tawny garden]

👀

[grim tusk]

So it would have higher consistent damage rather than low dmg but then a massive spike

[shell drift]

basically yes

[steep island]

@sand umbra last i heard it was good damage except the flash was kinda not good

[shell drift]

its a very good damage weapon

[sand umbra]

yeah I refer to the flash specifically

[cobalt pewter]

Wanted to suggest something about the DoL as well, but the title might be a mouthful

[sand umbra]

the swords themselves iirc are pretty good

[cobalt pewter]

Have Dance of Light's "blinding light" attack's damage be a factor of the total damage dealt within the amount of weapon hits needed before the attack.

Just the title for now

[shell drift]

one-shot book

[sand umbra]

the problem is that the big flashy end to it does essentially nothing compared to the amount of shit you need to do to proc it

[steep island]

mhm

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah

Maybe the rebalance will address this issue idk

[shell drift]

🤞

even then, no matter how much damage it deals it will still feel kinda sad

all this epic buildup and it just does some damage

[sand umbra]

could probably also proc some kind of debuff or something if you wanted to make it more impactful than just "lol damage"
although that probably leans into territory that I shouldn't be getting into since dedicated thing and all

[steep island]

what kind of debuff

[sand umbra]

see that's the thing: I have no idea

because anything interesting would just never happen and anything viable on BR would have 50 immunities built into BR anyway

because Calamity uses debuff immunities fairly and in moderation, and definitely not way more than it should even when it makes no sense

[shell drift]

blinded by the light
Defense and damage reduction halfed

or movement speed halved

[steep island]

if it's gonna be a debuff like that it should just make enemies take more damage directly

instead of lowering defense/dr

[sand umbra]

that'd be cool honestly

[shell drift]

thats so generic tho

[sand umbra]

no it isn't

[steep island]

so is defense and damage reduction halved tbf

[sand umbra]

you'd be stunned at how not-generic increased damage taken is in this context

[shell drift]

Well yeah

[steep island]

it's kinda hard to make a viable and interesting debuff at that tier

[shell drift]

itd be light super-ichor

[sand umbra]

there are like 2 and a half debuffs across vanilla and the entire modding communtiy combined that straight-up increase the damage enemies take while inflicted

[grim tusk]

Enrage and whats the other

[sand umbra]

all of them are "oh you have less defense" or "oh you have less DR"

which is situational at best because fun fact there are things that don't have these

[steep island]

doesn't thorium have one

[sand umbra]

the 2 are Demonshade enrage and Tuned (that one Bard-related debuff nobody talks about)

[steep island]

thorium has illumite stuff which increases damage taken

[sand umbra]

does Illumite stuff do it too?

[steep island]

yeah

the weapons

[sand umbra]

...huh. so they do

alright well it's 3 then

that's still not that many

[shell drift]

I think that halving defense/damage reduction would be better as it doesn't matter your dps prior, it just doubles it

[sand umbra]

do you know how many vanilla and modded debuffs exist that reduce defense and/or DR
there are a lot of them

your DPS would not be doubled by halving defense/DR

that's not how that mechanic works

defense is a flat reduction to your damage and DR is a percentage-based reduction

[shell drift]

blinded by the light
Damage taken increased by 100%

[steep island]

100% is a lot

25% is probably even a little too much

[sand umbra]

they differ heavily between enemies, ranging from completely absent/useless to the entire point of a boss having no HP
and as such the effectiveness of a debuff that reduces them depends on how strong they are on the target normally

[shell drift]

You have to hit the same thing 300 times

and it would only last for like 5 seconds