suggestions-discussion

[violet sierra]

which why si this even rng

[tawny garden]

A lot of stuff in this game is RNG

So I'm not surprised

[shell drift]

but the rng is usually controllable or non-impactful

[analog talon]

scal:

[tawny garden]

Well

[shell drift]

scal isnt random what

scal is predictable as hell

[analog talon]

the bullet hells are entirely rng

[violet sierra]

either way, the current system leads to people just cheating them in

[shell drift]

they are ez tho

[analog talon]

and then there's providence :terror:

[violet sierra]

i feel like if they were craftable people would craft them

[analog talon]

providence is entirely rng

the whole fight is rng

[shell drift]

providence is pain

way too strong

for the gear you can get

[tawny garden]

I was once trying to get the Cross Necklace, and I got the Mimic Banner before it

[analog talon]

because funni post-ml power curve

[shell drift]

i would like if they was craftable

[shell drift]

haha yes

use moon lord gear to fight boss thats like 100x as hard as moon lord

[analog talon]

providence has 1.6 million hp if you dont know about what the guardians do

[tawny garden]

if they get a recipe, nobody would bother getting them by recording stuff

[analog talon]

expensive recipe

[shell drift]

nobody gets hem by recording anyway

[analog talon]

[analog talon]

everybody just buys them from the musician or cheats them in

[grim tusk]

infinite til Healer dies

[shell drift]

yeah

[tawny garden]

that's not a solution at all

[shell drift]

the recpei should be cheap

[tawny garden]

you did

[shell drift]

🙃

its ok

i like pain

[analog talon]

99999999 auric tesla bars for crabulon music box

[tawny garden]

great idea

[grim tusk]

or uses Tmusicplayer with the unlock all from the start/play even if uncollected and doesnt even bother

[shell drift]

decapdita sprout + box, at a crystal ball for crabon music

[analog talon]

you need at least 1 music box to use it

[grim tusk]

Calamity title theme

its on the starter bag

[analog talon]

and you can't just right click the song you want

[grim tusk]

theres a config for that

[analog talon]

you have to sort through them until you find the one you want

[analog talon]

the unlock all only lets you right click music boxes you have

you can sort through any but can only right click what you have

[analog talon]

boss summon + music box @ demon altar

[tawny garden]

[violet sierra]

I dont think we lose anything by no one recording music boxes becuase you can just craft them

[analog talon]

recording music boxes is a dumb mechanic

[violet sierra]

lost anything of worth i mean

[shell drift]

They are sold by the wizard so it would make sense to use a crystal ball

[violet sierra]

idk why its not just

like

[analog talon]

music boxes are not magical

[grim tusk]

fargo's mutant mod got you covered

[analog talon]

why does the wizard even sell then

[shell drift]

putting music into them is magical

[grim tusk]

crystal ball = altar on fargos

[violet sierra]

they should be sold by Party Girl tbh

[analog talon]

mmmyes my mp3 player is magic

I'm recording songs on my pc, such magic

[shell drift]

if you smash some shiny rocks into a box and it can play music, thats pretty magical

[analog talon]

the music is just the vibrations from the shiny rocks

[shell drift]

new crafting station: personal computer

Used for making and copying music boxes

[tawny garden]

[analog talon]

and for playing calamity inside calamity inside calamity inside calami-

[tawny garden]

Fl Studio in Terraria

[analog talon]

making calamity mod inside calamity mod using the calamity personal computer

[violet sierra]

where woudl you make these

im gonna post example recipes

along with my suggestion

[tawny garden]

(don't)

[analog talon]

just shoot draedon until he gives you boxes

simple

[shell drift]

I say crystal ball

[tawny garden]

(would be too specific)

[analog talon]

🚆 + 🔫 = 📦

[shell drift]

There's like 100 music boxes

[violet sierra]

how is giving an example too specific?

[shell drift]

Examples recpeis for 2 or 3 would be good

[violet sierra]

im not saying "use exactly this"

[shell drift]

Just cause of how many there is

[tawny garden]

killing draedon with water gun

[shell drift]

Most of the time you don't want to include recpeies cause that's too specific, but for this I think it'd be benifical

[violet sierra]

I cant decipe between Crystal Ball, Tinkerer's Workshop or Demon Altar

[shell drift]

idea

[tawny garden]

then don't

let the devs decide

[violet sierra]

alright

[shell drift]

Different boxes use different crafting stations based on their progression

[analog talon]

music boxes crafted at the rock using 9999 rocks

[shell drift]

pre hm: demon altar
Hm: Tinker table
Post ml: crystal ball

[vital condor]

The only suggestion I'd like for music boxes is being able to turn the SCal boxes into eachother

[analog talon]

you can

[vital condor]

wait you can?

[analog talon]

place one down and play the music

then put an empty one in your slot

[tawny garden]

doesn't make much sense

[analog talon]

and record the music

[shell drift]

that dupes the box

[vital condor]

that duplicates I thought

[analog talon]

oh

I thought you meant get more scal music boxes

[vital condor]

But SCal has 4 different boxes

[violet sierra]

reading skill 0

[vital condor]

and which one you get is entirely dependant on which part of the fight gets recorded

[analog talon]

just equip a box and stall

you can choose when to equip the box

[vital condor]

I suppose

[violet sierra]

imagine having to stall in Phase 3

that sounds awful

[analog talon]

not really

just dodge

[shell drift]

@violet sierra you should post abbt crafting music boxes in #suggestions-posting

[tawny garden]

"git gud"

[analog talon]

"just don't get hit lol"

[violet sierra]

gonna post it here first

[mossy vapor]

yharonus

[violet sierra]

Make more Music Boxes craftable

Currently, the system that Music Boxes currently use is not really all that great. Its a RNG fest and especially with some of the music boxes currently, it could be a total nightmare to actually obtain the one you want. This system just leads to most player cheating them in, so I think they should be craftable. A good idea I think would be for the recipes to be a Music Box + other materials.

this seem good?

[shell drift]

i think 1 or 2 example recpeies would be good

and maybe a line break or 2

[violet sierra]

Didnt someone say including example recipes is too specific

[tawny garden]

I did

[shell drift]

usually it is

but because there is like 100 music boxes

it not "too specific" if you include 1 or 2 examples

[tawny garden]

eh

[fossil finch]

it is

do not include examples

leave it as it is

[violet sierra]

Make more Music Boxes craftable

Currently, the system that Music Boxes currently use is not really all that great. Its an RNG fest and espically with some of the music boxes currently, it could be a total nightmare to actually obtain the one you want. (Example: Stained Brutal Calamity: Epiphany. You'd have to get to that part of Scal and then wait for the Music Box to record.)

This system just leads to most player cheating them in, so I think they should be craftable. A good idea I think would be for the recipes to be a Music Box + other materials.

I fixed it up a little

[tawny garden]

[violet sierra]

i posted the wrong version

[tawny garden]

you can edit

uh

...why did you delete

[violet sierra]

oh i guess i need to wait for slowmode now

oh well

I didnt think to edit

[tawny garden]

that single space before "This system" is kinda annoying

[violet sierra]

I didnt even notice it

[tawny garden]

tbf I have OCD I think

[violet sierra]

no it bugged me once you poitned it out

[ashen warren]

Remove or rework the Great Sand Shark

[eternal escarp]

i assume this is an idea for a sugg?

[inner lark]

Is it wise to suggest a nerf to the hallowed rune star bonus due to the combo with entropy vigil yeeting plantera

[eternal escarp]

prty sure it was already nerfed

[inner lark]

Nah couldnt find a nerf in changelogs

[eternal escarp]

things happen in the BG anyways

i do remember something related to that combo

prty sure it was either nerfed already in the past or will be nerfed

[inner lark]

Yeh

Saw facrafters calamity vid yeeting the boss

About a year or so ago

[eternal escarp]

year ago?

[inner lark]

Yep

[eternal escarp]

might wanna test it in the current version then

[inner lark]

I dont own calamity

I only have ps3 lol

[eternal escarp]

well, you cant really suggest a nerf regarding a very old combo that im prty sure is already nerfed

[inner lark]

Can somebody here try it

[eternal escarp]

its better to be up to date and check to see if that combo is still a thing

[frail mantle]

i have tried it and can confirm that hallowed rune is not nearly as much of a meme as it used to be

[fossil finch]

it is already nerfed yeah

that's a hella old video

[frail mantle]

the stars actually have a cooldown now and don't fall down on every hit

[inner lark]

Most recent vid (11 months ago) showcases somebody using the rune combo against storm weaver and yeeting it

[fossil finch]

that's even for current build, btw

11 months ago is like 2 updates away iirc

if not more

[inner lark]

When was it nerfed?

[fossil finch]

and, yeah

it was nerfed

[frail mantle]

no clue when

[fossil finch]

it is nerfed on current build

[eternal escarp]

11 months is still a very old video

[fossil finch]

because i remember using it

[frail mantle]

probably in r&d or something

[fossil finch]

as of 1.4.5.007

it is nerfed and not broken

[inner lark]

Such a shame

Good to know if I ever play calamity

[tranquil perch]

Hallowed rune is still solid until endgame though

[grim tusk]

Pre-nerf hallowed rune was terror

[tranquil perch]

+3 regen, 7% dr, and 15% multiplicative damage is quite epic

Comparable to psa

[grim tusk]

Multiplicative boost ech

[tranquil perch]

Indeed

[cobalt pewter]

Multiplicative boost hech

[inner lark]

I wonder if anybody has used it in a no hit run

[tranquil perch]

Funny interaction with auric set bonus causes it to be superior to dsa

[cobalt pewter]

Idk probably storm did

[grim tusk]

Some have

[tranquil perch]

Because multiplicative damage go brr

[cobalt pewter]

Idk probably storm did

[grim tusk]

Some have

[cobalt pewter]

He's the sleeper agent man after all

[grim tusk]

Nope

[tranquil perch]

@shell drift there's a mod that adds a music box slot

[grim tusk]

I used it sometimes outside of nohits

[sleek turret]

storm is known to basically use brimflame or nebula on scal

[tranquil perch]

Idk what it's called but it exists

[sleek turret]

• the wand and old die combo

[shell drift]

uh

ok?

[grim tusk]

Yep told him about him yesterday, Tmusicplayer

[grim tusk]

And now Deathwind + luminite arrows (did Piky sent that test log here?)
And Final dawn + venerated locket
Final dawn + dragon scales
Penumbra + dragon scales

[shell drift]

whats that have to do with anything ??

what

[sleek turret]

they sent on vc3 I think

[eternal escarp]

i think its supposed to mean
why should calamity specifically add it

[grim tusk]

#voice-chat-4 message vc 4 but ye

[tranquil perch]

Your suggestion

[shell drift]

it shouldnt??

[tranquil perch]

It's literally what you want

[shell drift]

no

a music box slot is not random

[tawny garden]

In hindsight, this seems like smth a separate mod would do

[eternal escarp]

yeah thats what i mean

its a pretty specific feature which i dont really understand why calamity should add it

[safe oasis]

also like

just open spotify?

[eternal escarp]

or youtube and do random playlist button ig

ye

[shell drift]

ruins the immersion tho

[eternal escarp]

how?

[shell drift]

and its more clunky

[eternal escarp]

well, still.
why should specifically calamity add it

[shell drift]

cause you have to go out of the terraria window to play your music

[sleek turret]

maybe you mean the transition into themes

[shell drift]

because i think it would be cool

[eternal escarp]

thats not a real reason tbf

[shell drift]

bruh

[sleek turret]

because some transitions are specifically for youtube videos

[fossil finch]

ah yes, ruins the immersion, however, when you were told that, you literally said "i have 100 wiki tabs opened"

[shell drift]

literally half of the items could be removed "because they dont have a reason"

[eternal escarp]

...not really

[fossil finch]

yes they do

[eternal escarp]

really?

[fossil finch]

fleshing out content on the mod

and making people able

to

y'know

use new things

experience new stuff

[eternal escarp]

i mean i see almost every item usefull

[fossil finch]

exactly

they are there to flesh out the mod

they an use

well, anyways

point is

[eternal escarp]

be it weapons to be weapons, difficulty modes for difficulty

[fossil finch]

"breaks the immersion" is not an excuse for that tbh

[eternal escarp]

nothing is added for the sole reason of cool at this point

[fossil finch]

because the sole point of that qol would already break the immersion

would feel very shoe-horned to have an item that is randomly able to play songs like that randomly

[eternal escarp]

you could think of an actual reason other then "it'd be cool" and edit your sugg

[shell drift]

why do kites exist in 1.4 then

[eternal escarp]

"it'd be cool" isnt a real reason

[eternal escarp]

thats not calamity

so why do we care

[fossil finch]

specially when tMusicPlayer, even if not random, works at a degree like that
Or just using spotify again because "it'd break the immersion" is not avalid point

[eternal escarp]

also, this

in the Don'ts document

[fossil finch]

because they look nice, they are vanity, and the devs thought they were a fun addition people would like

[earnest raptor]

Why you are so adamant on music player in clamity? @shell drift

[shell drift]

because i think it would be cool

[earnest raptor]

And not in any other mod?

[eternal escarp]

(also 1.4 is litterally the final update, the game is finished, itd be cool is fine in that scenario since they finished all the stuff they need to add)

[fossil finch]

tmusicplayer

[tawny garden]

immersion it Terraria

lol

[fossil finch]

for the fuck sake

[eternal escarp]

and still, "it'd be cool" isnt a good enough reason

[shell drift]

it is tho

[eternal escarp]

its not

[fossil finch]

it may had no, shuffle option but who careeess

[eternal escarp]

.

[shell drift]

i care

[tawny garden]

unless 1.5 comes out

[shell drift]

shuffle is literally the only reason i would use the mod

[eternal escarp]

hahahahahahah

[fossil finch]

well then too bad

they aren't adding a thing that already exists to the mod just for one extra functionality

thanks

[eternal escarp]

you can have shuffle on spotify and youtube, which is basically 2 more clicks

[fossil finch]

also yeah those exists

and are more efficient playing than the game

because uh

game tracks are compressed

[eternal escarp]

they are built for it too

unlike terraria, a game

they are music players (or video players)

[shell drift]

i mean you could also not have item tooltips

they exist on the wiki

its just 2 more clicks

[eternal escarp]

item tooltips arent the same as your suggestion

[fossil finch]

except that's a totally different thing

[eternal escarp]

also, item tooltips more often then not explain the weapon

[fossil finch]

you are comparing water to lava here

[sleek turret]

"oh lets add a music player to calamity so i can save 30 seconds or so of my life going to spotify/youtube and type x song and click on it"

[fossil finch]

item tooltips inform the player directly about something important and crucial for gameplay

[shell drift]

eh

[eternal escarp]

and agian, you cant suggest something because of the only reason being

[shell drift]

you can get that info from the wiki

sooo

[fossil finch]

not having them is different from not having a shuffle music player on the game

[shell drift]

see when i apply your reasoning, its paper thin

[earnest raptor]

WHY NOT ASK FOR SHUFFLE OPTION IN TMUSICPLAYER?

[shell drift]

your reasons are garbeg

[fossil finch]

again, that's a falacy
a wrong comparision

they aren't equal

[shell drift]

cause idk how to make suggestions to the tmusicplayer devs

[sleek turret]

ugh

[eternal escarp]

the thing is
the wiki != the game

[sleek turret]

wiki (theorically) explains stuff

[fossil finch]

a music player =! also the game, both if it was in or outside it

the "turnaround" of the reasoning you are trying to make is a total falacy

[eternal escarp]

and i still dunno whats the point of arguing when its basically just passing a don't

[earnest raptor]

It's so hard to use Google

[fossil finch]

tooltips are important, crucial for gameplay, and they are in the base game and nobody will ever question why

a music player isn't crucial, it isn't in the base game, and nobody will bother with why is it like that

basically, you are comparing water to lava and claiming to be right when lava doesn't turn into steam at 100 degrees

holy fuck that is a really roundabout way of explaining that

byeah

[earnest raptor]

[eternal escarp]

..basically

it needs a better reason then just it'd be cool

[safe oasis]

(spoiler: there is no other reason)

[fossil finch]

spoiler: the sugg is not valid

[eternal escarp]

(i guess it needs a mark..?)

[shell drift]

no

@hollow shell already said it was fine as is

[eternal escarp]

((((in that case, couldve said that before))))

[shell drift]

you couldve read it, its just a few clicks 🙃

[earnest raptor]

@shell drift I already showed you how to access tMusicPlayer's dev discord.

[shell drift]

no you didnt??????????????

[earnest raptor]

Stop wasting people's time here.

[safe oasis]

@shell drift he literally did

[eternal escarp]

[shell drift]

how tf am i supposed to know that was directed at me about contacting them

its the popup for opening a link

[pine star]

:omegafailure:

[eternal escarp]

i think you confused the confirmation with your other sugg

byeah

[earnest raptor]

Are you reading only half of messages here?

[shell drift]

literally the only part of the image that says anythign about whats going on is here

and how am i supposed to know that sheepish sheperd makes tmusicplayer

[eternal escarp]

context, id assume

[grim tusk]

by asking/investigating

[eternal escarp]

or that ig

[earnest raptor]

It's first result in Google.

[grim tusk]

also why does that sugg had its ❗ removed

[earnest raptor]

[eternal escarp]

im not rover ¯_(ツ)_/¯

ask him

[pine star]

are you in fargo's server

[eternal escarp]

(or another mod, dunno if they update each other about these)

[grim tusk]

not online

[earnest raptor]

Yes, but it's my own emoij.

[pine star]

oh

[safe oasis]

just ping demik or something to ❗ it

[earnest raptor]

There is also

[grim tusk]

echfailure lmao

[pine star]

dream_of_ech

[safe oasis]

time to HDechfailure

[tawny garden]

I think it's better to wait till Rover arrives here

[grim tusk]

or ask chetto to delete it

i mean ❗ it

[eternal escarp]

delete maybe not, since its still in a gray zone

[safe oasis]

isn't rover like asleep rn

[grim tusk]

yes

[eternal escarp]

there was a discussion about it before it seems

[tawny garden]

Might be

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
@heady storm why hasnt this sugg gotten an ❗

[grim tusk]

2 of em

[tawny garden]

Byeah no reason ig

[heady storm]

Because no one who could provide it was informed until now.

[eternal escarp]

#suggestions-discussion message the first discussion i found

[heady storm]

Nice going on such end.

[shell drift]

bruh

rover already added and removed the ❗

[grim tusk]

yea but still has no reason

[shell drift]

#suggestions-discussion message

the reason is that random music is good and fun

[zenith hazel]

what

[grim tusk]

and the sugg would also be a specific item suggestion

[fossil finch]

might (in question)

he's doubting it

we are reassuring his doubts

[grim tusk]

this is an invalid reason

[safe oasis]

notice how he uses the word might and puts a question mark, showing unsureness

[zenith hazel]

yeah it's also a specific item suggestion so it's already invalidated that way

[fossil finch]

technically

[eternal escarp]

reading that whole convo just leads to no validation / invalidation tbf
it leaves it in a gray area

[fossil finch]

we all know it would get 10 votes and die anyways

[eternal escarp]

so just let the mods decide at this point i think

[safe oasis]

(chetto already decided )

[tawny garden]

false

[eternal escarp]

(oh missed it, woops)

[fossil finch]

right, 40 votes and die

[tawny garden]

there we go

[heady storm]

I decided by getting pinged to apply an unecessary exclamation yes.

Just a SIS and lacks reasoning, not much else to add there.

[river glen]

why do the donuts take knockback from grand dad

this guy just got ponged

[grim tusk]

lmao

[shell drift]

this be #suggestions-discussion tho

[river glen]

ik

im gonna suggest

that they are immune to knockback

[shell drift]

that seems like a #bugs-read-pins

[river glen]

and i shouldnt be able to cheese them with grand dad

[safe oasis]

fungal postml wtf

[shell drift]

lmao wat

why doe

[sleek turret]

don't bother with it

[river glen]

what fungal

[sleek turret]

we are on #suggestions-discussion

[safe oasis]

oh yeah we are, sorry

[grim tusk]

this is more of a bug i think

[river glen]

i just put it in #bugs-read-pins

just ni case

i will try to record it

it was funny

to see

[grim tusk]

yea and place client log file there

[river glen]

wut

@grim tusk Terraria\ModLoader\Logs this?

[grim tusk]

yes

[river glen]

which one old, client, or server

and what are the logs needed for?

[dapper coral]

i suggest you take this to #bugs-read-pins itself

[river glen]

okie

[violet sierra]

i juat kid of realized my only reason for my cosmic worm sugg was that it would be cool, whoops

[fossil finch]

ok no

[zenith hazel]

@vale vale shadowspec weps are reserved for devs

[fossil finch]

the murasama sugg is no

[cobalt pewter]

g

[fossil finch]

murasama is getting rebalanced anyways

[zenith hazel]

and also murasama is high risk high reward

[rose latch]

post moonlord rebalance

[fossil finch]

and it is already balanced anyways

[zenith hazel]

so it makes sense it might be stronger than some on-tier weps

[fossil finch]

murasama is balanced for the context it is in (scal) yeah

[zenith hazel]

and also pml balancing, yadda yadda

[rose latch]

wasn't there no balance change suggestions

[fossil finch]

the sugg about metal detector is fine thought

[rose latch]

in the donts doc

until next update

[zenith hazel]

and also "making it post-scal would solve this issue"
fun fact, that'd make the issue even worse because that would require it to be balanced around BR tier, which is a way more tedious process than balancing it for scal tier

[tawny garden]

that rule is in a pin byeah

[rose latch]

still something you're not supposed to do

[fossil finch]

still it has the shadowspec thing+the argument about it being unbalanced is wrong (ig you can't just say "it is wrong", but it isn't backed up by anything anyways, so)

[rose latch]

it does a lot of damage and feels really strong

but have you ever tried to kill scal with it

[fossil finch]

on paper, that is

[vale vale]

It's more just something I noticed. It does true melee damage, and has an insane base damage.

[fossil finch]

on practice it is a hell of high risk hard reward

that means nothing tho

[rose latch]

my best is 30%

[fossil finch]

on paper it looks unbalanced

on practice, it isn't

[rose latch]

and then it becomes hell trying to get close

[fossil finch]

heck, p90 in paper looks like shit

on practice, it had to be nerfed 90 times already

[rose latch]

the only place where it's stronger than it should be is for brimstone hearts

[fossil finch]

everything shreds hearts so who care (that issue will get its fix)

[zenith hazel]

again, we're gonna look into it, but only because we're nerfing everything post-ml

so no need for the suggestion, even though the reasoning is what kills it already

[grim tusk]

why do people overrate murasama so much, yes it has really high dmg cuz its a true melee weapon.
but when are you gonna land that damage with that short true melee range?
You have to play extremely aggressively to get the most out of it and that is risky specially against bosses like Scal

lets compare it to a more overall stronger weapon: Gael's greatsword
Its damage is insane for its tier, has ok speed projectiles that pierce and hit really hard and some has homing attacks that also deal decent damage
this weapon will near always be doing damage to scal unlike the short ranged and risky murasama and most of the time killing her way faster than murasama because of it

[safe oasis]

big tooltip number though and that's like all that matters iirc

[violet sierra]

nah man

[agile bolt]

The wand is bad, has small base dmg

[violet sierra]

Murasama is super op

[fresh sun]

echdeath

devourer of gods should have lasers coming out of somewhere. he doesnt just summon lasers from the sky, it should have some kind of portal or something

devourer of gods shouldnt insta kill you on death mode, it should have a percentage slider based on how powerful you are

[crude geode]

DoG instakill is gone next update

[fresh sun]

oh good

[cobalt pewter]

Small portals that precede lasers actually sound kinda nice

Instead of them coming outta nowhere

[fresh sun]

yeah, but it should have an instakill based on luck. like if you are extremely underpowered then it has like a 90% chance to devour you and if you have post-soc armor then maybe 10% or something

[muted osprey]

DoG rework and visual overhaul

[fresh sun]

i think visuals are preety good

[cobalt pewter]

Not sure if there's even enough parameter to show this

Also they're already moving instakill to (planned) cal master mode anyways

[fresh sun]

that still doesnt make sense to me though

like should devourer of gods "devour" you?

whatever

[ancient mirage]

doesnt he do that in death mode

[shell drift]

dog head instakills in deathmode and in bossrush

[muted osprey]

no more

[crude geode]

Removed in next update

[muted osprey]

it is gone next update

[shell drift]

o

damn rip

[split grove]

Ok, correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure this is formatted incorrectly

you have to have a main idea line at the top

[agile bolt]

ye, it's all just a bunch of text

[muted osprey]

@fresh sun

[agile bolt]

Something like this already helps a lot

Have DOG's lasers appear out of somewhere instead of nowhere.
He can't randomly summon lasers out of thin air, it's supposed to come out of his body but since it was to make the fight harder, have it come out of portals or something.

[split grove]

since it was to make the fight harder
this could be improved to say as "since it was removed to make the fight harder"
makes more sense to me

[fresh sun]

um im new

[split grove]

do you not know how to edit a message?

[fresh sun]

nop

[grim tusk]

Also make a title for your suggestion

Like
*Bold text*
[Text]

[split grove]

theres a pencil to the right of your message

if you click it, you can edit your message

[grim tusk]

Or keep the message pressed if on mobile

Then the options (including pencil) appear

[split grove]

do shift and enter after the bold text

[grim tusk]

Have the DoG lasers appear from somewhere instead of nowhere
This is more fitting as the title

[fresh sun]

what about the insta-kill parameter is that a good idea

[grim tusk]

No

[safe oasis]

@sour nova could elaborate on reasoning more

[grim tusk]

Also there isnt a boss with a SOC acronnym

[safe oasis]

(it's probably obvious to people here but like for general #suggestions-voting browsers, yeah)

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
@fresh sun instakill is gone and wont return until master mode

[fresh sun]

look at my post does it look like a good idea

[split grove]

it would probably be underused

[fresh sun]

hmm i guess im terrible at making ideas

[split grove]

also what boss do you mean by soc

[grim tusk]

That idea is also pretty useless

[fresh sun]

ok

dammit i thought they added insta-kill for devourer cause he could devour you

its a great idea, and i dont want it removed, but he shouldnt be able to 1 shot op characters either

[split grove]

he currently has instakill in death mode and boss rush, but it's getting removed

[grim tusk]

BR could maybe stay but the Dmode one will be gone and never return

[sour nova]

@safe oasis Never mind

[safe oasis]

oh ok then

[fresh sun]

am i allowed to post meme suggestion posts

[split grove]

no

[crude geode]

^

[fresh sun]

ok, i was like dog should be a bunch of coloured scribbles or something

ok bye

have a great day lo

l

[golden narwhal]

@vale vale yo

glowsticks might be kinda echy, byea, one exists

[vale vale]

I see. I’m just an idiot, then

[golden narwhal]

we all miss things sometimes

[crude geode]

Pain and suffering.

[pine star]

where is the link?

[crude geode]

you think I wanna be banned for advertising?

[split grove]

#suggestions-voting message

[violet sierra]

i was about to say

I thought that you could craft metal detector

[fossil finch]

damnnnn triple exclamation

[crude geode]

Suggestion Bingo

[earnest cape]

imo advertising suggs as long as they're extremely close to star req is fine

[fossil finch]

Just do it on broskies amh

Smh

Uhhh

This would require some things

[safe oasis]

mentioning broskies server in calamain 🥚

[clever canopy]

What do you mean by things?

[fossil finch]

First, post scourge and post eoc are different tiers, technically
Second, ds already unlocks sandstorm
Third, (((do not really mind this one))) consistency :rofl:

[hollow shell]

I see the thematic reasoning behind it yeah

[fossil finch]

Imo it's very bland, however
It doesn't need another reason, but expanding on the already existing one could be good

[safe oasis]

why does ds unlock sandstorm anyway

[dapper coral]

thematically it is good and i agree
it would be pain to rebalance it though, probably

[hollow shell]

So that you don't have to deal with Sandstorms while prepping for / fighting DS

[clever canopy]

Tbh most people I’ve played calamity with have done KS, DS and EoC back-to-back so I don’t think many. People treat them as separate tiers

[fossil finch]

Specially because, if of consistency we are talking about, just look at vanilla
Martians after golem, pirates as a hm invasion
:CompleteFailure:

[grim tusk]

well pre-hm is the most Sandbox part of the game

[cobalt pewter]

Fab said years ago on Levi's vid that he won't buff Eidolic Wail because it's strong enough on the good hands

And trying to buff it to make it work on other things (like what?) would basically ask for a DoG resistance for it

[grim tusk]

well a buff not but a rework

[fossil finch]

It is
But that doesn't rule out the fact stuff's balanced according a point in progression

[grim tusk]

Making this weapon's sound wave projectiles faster (they are supposed to be sound waves come on) and amplifying the sound waves (and damage) quicker but reducing the max damage of the projectiles will make the weapon more overall useful vs more stuff other than DoG while not shredding the devourer.

[fossil finch]

(((Like od)))

[cobalt pewter]

That would make the weapon significantly easier to use on DoG?

[grim tusk]

but less dmg

[fossil finch]

Who uses it anyways
There's no point on making it "good if you know how to use it" when the reward isn't remarkable

[grim tusk]

easier to hit but less dmg thats what im asking essentially

also yea why go trough all the trouble of using wail if DoG can be shredded with Dark Spark anyways

[cobalt pewter]

Also the enigma with pre DoG balancing is that OD and DoG are 2 significantly different bosses

Just ask a tester working on curve flattening

[grim tusk]

yea but also look at the tester's comments on Wail

[cobalt pewter]

Eidolic Wail, by design, will never work on OD imo

Unless you make a box or smth

[grim tusk]

this is why im suggesting to make the projectile faster and rack up in dmg quicker, but have less max dmg

so that it can actually fucking hit OD and do dmg

rather than nuking once when the pigs fly

[fossil finch]

Then nobody will ever get it and its auric upgrade is also good for the boss but no one uses it on current build cuz not as good as its rivals and who knows in 1.5

[grim tusk]

^

yea Hado is also hard to use but at least it can fucking reach, hit and even shred Scal consistently once you get the hang of it, unlike Wail which like hits for decent damage like never unless the boss is DoG

[earnest cape]

heard from ozz he's changing eidolic wail

well hado at least idk about eidolic

[grim tusk]

Eidolic Wail; lol no. Maybe usable vs DoG, but is extremely hard to make effectiveness

• Piky

[earnest cape]

and?

that's just piky's test result, it isn't the bible

[vocal grotto]

Eidolic Wail rework was a thing that was talked about and even attempted but it turned out the idea wasn't feasible from a programming perspective and after that we kinda just never got anything in particular for it

[earnest cape]

[grim tusk]

well other testers arent as open with testing stuff as Piky

[earnest cape]

still

anywho

[fossil finch]

you're saying that like bible is a more trustable script than piky's test resources a.k.a it is trustable at all

[earnest cape]

rip eidolic wail rework

[grim tusk]

well making it expand faster and be faster maybe could solve the problems?

[zenith hazel]

it would still be niche as fuck

[grim tusk]

yea

[zenith hazel]

the same issue still applies to hado echo

[grim tusk]

but at least not as bad

[zenith hazel]

and at this point we might as well remove it

[grim tusk]

at least this one is usable vs Scal ph1

ph2 its just NO

[sharp prism]

removing shit

byeah

[grim tusk]

what could replace em? :thinkies:

[zenith hazel]

tell me, unironically, who actually uses hadopelagic echo and succeeds in making it work against scal?

[grim tusk]

noone

[zenith hazel]

my point exactly

[grim tusk]

everyone will use Yharim's crystal or SsV instead

[zenith hazel]

who?

the 3 people who are willing to farm for it?

[grim tusk]

SsV or Clarity

[violet sierra]

I used Void Vortex

[frozen hornet]

Please no insta-kill on BR

[shell grotto]

am I allowed to post an image along with my sugg?

[dapper coral]

ye

[shell grotto]

dope

[violet sierra]

I almost dont wanna vote on that new sugg in the voiting channel because while its cool it sounds like a ton of work

[shell grotto]

for one wail needs it badly, secondly it's just number-shifting

[frozen hornet]

How did I send to the wrong place twice

[muted osprey]

mm two suggs which have reached 200 stars

one about DoG attacking provi and the other about naturally generated cv and polt arenas

[hollow shell]

Nice

[earnest cape]

m

[muted osprey]

personally I don't support the DoG attacking provi one cause I'm pretty sure that require a good amount of coding

[warm scarab]

insane amount

[tawny garden]

Don't advertise

[earnest cape]

advertising suggs are against rules

[hollow shell]

Indeed

Cuz if we allowed it, half the messages in this chat would be ^^^ that

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

sweatingfailure indeed

[tawny garden]

no nitro

[earnest cape]

[earnest raptor]

Does somebody have screenshot of this fool?

[eternal escarp]

(it was just a message link, but does it really matter?)

[earnest raptor]

yes

[tawny garden]

this emote is terrifying

[earnest raptor]

Echfailure?

[tawny garden]

ye

[earnest raptor]

[earnest raptor]

But on other side, look at it, it's goofy and happy as hell

[shell drift]

[river glen]

would a suggestion to make blood pact not rng

[tawny garden]

I heard that it's being reworked

tho not sure bout that

[river glen]

i had a suggestion to make the crit a cooldown

like dashes

cuz getting double critted sucked

[cobalt pewter]

Blood Pact might get a rework yes

[tawny garden]

ah, if it's a "might", then I guess a sugg for it would be allowed

(but if the rework is defo coming, then hold off)

[dapper coral]

seems like there is already a definitive idea for blood pact
the only thing that's uncertain is when

[river glen]

so no point in suggestion

[tawny garden]

aight

[river glen]

so basicly a new item

its gonna be nothing likts its old part

[safe oasis]

i think this is more of a bug than an intended thing

try reporting in #bugs-read-pins @unkempt bolt

[unkempt bolt]

i suppose it could be seen as more of a bug than anything else yeah

[tawny garden]

Ozza said that he accepts these things being in bugs

iirc

[cyan lagoon]

true

though they both effectively mean the same thing

consistency is always good

[unkempt bolt]

should i put it back in that case?

[cyan lagoon]

nah

post it in bugs, it'll probably be addressed very quickly since its merely text change

[tawny garden]

yeah

[vale vale]

@shell grotto Agreed

[safe oasis]

did you need to ping them just to say you agree

[distant vault]

(especially for something yesterday)

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
Brav you are right
delete em from the game

[cobalt pewter]

This bg gives me headache

[safe oasis]

nohit arena moment

[eternal escarp]

insane pain

[pine star]

that makes me want to gouge my eyes out

[grim tusk]

yea its intended to be at night but photosynthesis potion is is yes

[eternal escarp]

are tracks really the only way?

[tawny garden]

[grim tusk]

nah, but they make it far easier (also static hook abuse vs brothers)

[languid quartz]

all rope nohit arena when

no wait

all platform

[tawny garden]

creates a funny Moire pattern if you look from afar

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes, suggestions

[tawny garden]

m

byeah

[grim tusk]

well anyways this is related to a sugg discusion from yesterday (i should also fix arena)

although i might change my sugg from rework wail to delete hado and wail

[cobalt pewter]

Was talking about the whole arena talk, byeah

[tawny garden]

keep it as Rework

would be my advice

it is quite rare to see items being deleted from Calamity

[grim tusk]

changed my suggestion to include Hado echo as well

[tawny garden]

[grim tusk]

maybe making em work more like Lucio's gun would from but remove their gimmicks

[cobalt pewter]

BOOP

[grim tusk]

left click, but sound wave (aka BOOP) (right click ability) would be funny

[crude geode]

I dislike the idea of removing their gimmicks tbh

[grim tusk]

.

[grim tusk]

.

[grim tusk]

.

[grim tusk]

.

to summarize

its shit

and they having a cool yet awful gimmick holds em back from being buffed without making it op when you get it just right

[crude geode]

The problem of everything is a boss post-ml makes eidolic wail’s effectiveness against bosses the only thing that matters.

[grim tusk]

its even not good clearing like acid rain and moon enemies

like its decent yea but why not just use Dark spark

or even Viscera

[crude geode]

Acid Rain yes because everything either moves at the speed of light or is airborne

I find it entertaining at least against hordes in blood moon or the buffed moons

That said, not like horde combat actually matters post ml, so who cares.

[grim tusk]

blood moon is a joke in post-ML even on death mode unless you grab a weapon that just sucks or are underground

[fossil finch]

8 minute scal kill
Wh

[grim tusk]

not even supernova (7:25 kill)

without any funny rogue shit shenanigans (which lower it to 6:20)

its just so bad

like it makes a breeze of brothers but is just shit vs everything else

hearts took like almost 1:30 mins each

[languid quartz]

eidolic wail is a super cool weapon

the design is really unique

but it's horrible on bosses

which is sad

[grim tusk]

which is what matters

[vocal grotto]

What about T3 acid rain?

[grim tusk]

.

essentially it cant catch up

[vocal grotto]

Ah, good point

[shell drift]

am i allowed to suggest new events, specifically one for the astral biome

[grim tusk]

No

although finally a new event sugg that isnt Yharim’s army

[shell drift]

sad

[hollow shell]

Indeed

Too much effort

We'd have to make a buncha new enemies and drops and new music

Not that we couldn't do that but it's not somethin we wanna see in suggestions

Maybe when tMod 1.4 rolls around we can give it a weather event (rather than an invasion event)

[crude geode]

Astral Storm

[hollow shell]

(I was thinking a viral flare-up)

[shell drift]

no plz

[grim tusk]

Cosmic downpour

[shell drift]

weather events are annoying tho

[cobalt pewter]

Virulence Storm

[shell drift]

"the heavenly remains are glowing"

[grim tusk]

Astral biome needs some expansion in the underground but like low priority

Maybe making it expand more towards the caverns?

Or astral ore generating there

[shell drift]

astral biome needs expansion in general

[crude geode]

Astral biome underground expansion mainly, but low priority when compared to new bosses apparently

[hollow shell]

(We have a schedule, Cursed.)

[grim tusk]

also i've been thinking about this for a while but maybe make Acid rain t3 not revolve around OD, specially drop wise

cuz like only 1 drop (Gamma heart)

and the rest are OD drops

why tf isnt Mauler an acid rain miniboss again?

[hollow shell]

We have a bit more planned for AR T3 but it would be valid to suggest more rewards get added

[grim tusk]

would a material drop to upgrade stuff from previous tiers be vaild?

and a lead core upgrade made with said materials maybe

[hollow shell]

I guess? If you can provide reasoning why it should be a mat upgrade and not just new drops

[grim tusk]

also acid rain t3 could use more enemy reworks (like Irradiated slimes turn into gamma slimes) cuz only mini boss and thats it

[shell drift]

cause upgrading old weapons + accesories is rly fun and cool

[vocal grotto]

Idea never went anywhere
I'd frankly be very much in favor of that, personally

[hollow shell]

That is not a good reason Lego

[shell drift]

terra blade tho

[vocal grotto]

Though yeah some content just wasn't completed on time for AR

[muted osprey]

when the update is rushed 😳

[shell drift]

terra blade could be a drop from plantera or sommin, but its 1000x better cause you have to build it up over your whole playthrough

(even tho influx waver is better 😦 )

[muted osprey]

also the sugg on having an item to disable lunar event from happening is at 200 stars

[grim tusk]

that would explain why magnomally was so broken and why OD was almost as hard as Duke EX due to the lack of time to test things

[shell drift]

duke ex was a more of a meme boss

he rly hard

[zenith hazel]

I don't see how magnomaly is relevant

or how any of this is relevant

and we had time to test things, mind you

[grim tusk]

Expand on Acid rain t3
Acid rain's concept is pretty amazing but the event's last tier is a big letdown compared to the two; it only brings one mini boss, reworks the previous one and replaces an enemy with a stronger version. Item wise you get ONE from the last tier of the event and the rest are drops from the Old Duke (who will no longer require Acid rain to be done once 1.5 drops).

Adding more drops and even a material drop would make the event feel more dynamic and diverse rather than an event you just do to summon the Old Duke, add more loot from the event and possibly make items from previous tiers more relevant with upgrades to them (made with the new material) that you could use to fight the next bosses.

hows this?

[zenith hazel]

we already have plans to expand acid rain

[grim tusk]

.

[zenith hazel]

I don't see the point tbh

if we already have it planned then suggesting would be redundant

[hollow shell]

Brav we only have like 2 more items planned

[zenith hazel]

and how would a suggestion change that?

[hollow shell]

Because...
it's a suggestion
suggesting that we add more

That's what suggestions do

[zenith hazel]

if we are aware that it is a problem then it should be our job to try to fix it, not suggestions, no?

[shell drift]

suggestions can aid in the creative procces

[hollow shell]

But suggestions don't hurt
and they can be a good reminder or push for the devs when things fall by the wayside

[zenith hazel]

not saying they're bad, I just think they're unnecessary

in this scenario, anyway

[grim tusk]

suggesting new enemies is banned right @hollow shell ?

[hollow shell]

In the same way as sugging new items.
It is fine as long as its not specific

[grim tusk]

oh ok

[pine star]

suggestions are ineffective

[grim tusk]

there, what do you think?

[hollow shell]

Seems good

[crude geode]

Acid Rain T3 is pretty lame currently. Nuclear Terror is cool, but there's not a whole lot that's really new. That said, I do think Acid Rain T3 is in kind of an awkward spot progression wise, since it's Post-Polter but also Pre-DoG, which is...a very awkward spot.

[twilit warren]

It’s a super cool event but doesn’t provide much in terms of loot imo

[twilit warren]

uh

[earnest cape]

!wiki astral crate

[twilit warren]

the astral infection has a number of unique fishing items

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Astral_Crate

[earnest cape]

@shell drift

[shell drift]

oh

[earnest cape]

do research first please

[twilit warren]

such as the crate, gacruxian mollusk and polaris parrotfish

[hollow shell]

Yeah what?
There's several weapons

[shell drift]

ok well they arent on the wiki

[earnest cape]

there's a few stuff you can get from astral infection, one of them is gacruxian mollusk, rogue weapon, the bait etc

[shell drift]

o nvm

am blind oops

[hollow shell]

smh

Get eyes that aren't blind

[twilit warren]

shaking my smh my head

[earnest cape]

yeah you can also get post aureus weapons from crates yeah?

[twilit warren]

i think

[shell drift]

i missed this section ops

smh my head

[twilit warren]

moment

[sleek turret]

uhh

[hollow shell]

...

[sleek turret]

not sure if the reasoning of this is a "it'd be cool" one

[shell drift]

pain

[sleek turret]

i'm confused

[shell drift]

its an extreme challenge

because yes

[hollow shell]

A few things

Why specifically beating the boss rush using accessories only? Apart from it just being a possible challenge out of many possible challenges?

[shell drift]

cause mot of the other posible challenges arent very unique?

[sleek turret]

what

[shell drift]

like

armageddon is nohit

[sleek turret]

• jack of all trades boss rush both no-hit and normally
• any possible challenge you can think of with x strat

[earnest cape]

doing any challenges in this case arma, defiled is really just for clout

[hollow shell]

Also
Profaned Soul Crystal is a dedicated item, made to the whims of the dedicatee, rather than the Cal team as a whole
((and it's beating Prov with the Profaned Soul Artifact, not Heart of the Elements))

[shell drift]

well yeah

[earnest cape]

ye

[grim tusk]

Boss Rush would also need to balance itself to even make those things possible

[shell drift]

no

the point is that its stupid hard

[grim tusk]

And theres also no point in adding more challenge to the “Ultimate challenge”

[shell drift]

boss rush curses exist tho

[earnest cape]

it's getting removed iirc

[shell drift]

awe bruh

[earnest cape]

gotta recheck

(take it with a huge grain of salt since my memory isn't perfect)

[frozen hornet]

Yeah it was

[earnest cape]

yep

491 - Removed the Boss Rush Xeroc Curse from the Calamity Config. - Done

[frozen hornet]

wait,calamity config?

[tranquil perch]

1.4 buffed terra blade already and it's busted

[hollow shell]

Just that one

[earnest cape]

the very very bottom of the cal config there's xeroc curses

[frozen hornet]

hmm

[hollow shell]

"Xeroc Curse" is one of the 5 curses

[earnest cape]

ah

[shell drift]

no weapons would be a cool curse

[earnest cape]

no it's pointless

[hollow shell]

That would be a better suggestion I think

It would fit in with something more pre-established

[shell drift]

i wil ediit

i edddit

[hollow shell]

aight this is better
The title line could be worded more clearly though

[grim tusk]

Far better than before

[hollow shell]

Like "Add a 'No Weapons' Curse option for the Boss Rush"

[shell drift]

i edit

[hollow shell]

👍

[shell drift]

🎉

[hollow shell]

(The reason is still pretty minimal so expect some more pings in the next 24 hours.
I don't have any direct advice though)

(If you can think of stuff to make your reason stronger, add it)

[earnest cape]

examples?

[shell drift]

(i cant but if i do i will)

[shell drift]

bru he said he dont have any advices

[hollow shell]

I think he means to include examples

I guess, of accessories which you'd be restricted to?

[earnest cape]

.....that's them im suggesting to put in examples in the sugg

[hollow shell]

Godly Soul Artifact and Profaned Soul Artifact, namely.

(also sorry)

Heart of the Elements too of course

The Amalgam, trailing projs like from Yharim's Gift

Prolly thorn effects like from Eclipse Mirror and The Sponge
and reflected projectiles from Astral Arcanum

[earnest cape]

i saw amalgam is sexy from piky's testing

sadly it's getting turned into mushroom soup again

[hollow shell]

(Amalgam will become something very cool in the future I just don't know how far into the future that is)

[earnest cape]

(ye)

(excited for it)

anyway yeah adding the things rover said would help

[hollow shell]

Dash attacks from shields

I guess you do have a lot of options

It's just that none of em are meant to be big DPS dealers

[earnest cape]

good lord ram only br

yeah the sugg's better now imo

[hollow shell]

yeee

Better.

(though, Yharim Soul Crystal --> Yharim's Gift)

[shell drift]

oop

[hollow shell]

👌

"npc damage"
That would be interesting to see

How much DPS can an entire town of NPCs deal to BR bosses

[shell drift]

100 merchants vs boss rush

[hollow shell]

0.001% of health per second, probably?

[earnest cape]

omw to spawn drunk princess with cheatsheet to defeat boss rush rq

[hollow shell]

Cirrus is pretty strong yeah

prolly the only one who can do anything worthwhile

[earnest cape]

yeh

wall would probably be a quite literal wall pun intended cause of how he works

[shell drift]

1000000x Cirrus VS Boss Rush, Who Will Win?? Find out now on this episode of doing silly things for internet clout.

[hollow shell]

I think that's above the entity limit :P

[shell drift]

🤫

[earnest cape]

(btw just a tip don't use line breaks too much unless they're needed example is with a giant wall of text where line breaks will help)

(just my personal preference to not use line breaks too much so you don't have to edit it)

[hollow shell]

(I do prefer too many line breaks over zero line breaks, but yeah this could be reduced)

[earnest cape]

yeh

[hollow shell]

Maybe one or two of em could be single breaks instead of double breaks

[shell drift]

which ones doe

[hollow shell]

Prolly all of them except the bottom and top ones

imo

[earnest cape]

yeah that works

[hollow shell]

So the middle is like a paragraph ig

[earnest cape]

the last line is the conclusion, yeah

[shell drift]

ok is less break

[hollow shell]

Yeah that looks fine

[earnest cape]

definitely looks better

[shell drift]

now i wait 24hrs and then ||advertise it to get stars|| wait patiently for people to give me stars

[earnest cape]

advertise is kil

[civic plinth]

I hope at some point the crafting recipes for fabstaff and staff of blushie will be changed. Maybe have the vivid clarity be part of fabstaff crafting or something. Getting the 100 shadowspeck bars is just plain annoying due to the auric tesla bars needed for them

[hollow shell]

mm

[earnest cape]

you could farm for them by killing scal over and over again ye

maybe not vv byech

[hollow shell]

There's gonna be a lot of changes around that stage of the game in 1.5 so it's possible your problem will be fixed on its own

But, not confirmed yet

[civic plinth]

I hope so because 100 phantoplasm and 50 shadowspeck is

1. kinda boring of a recipe
2. a pain to get

[grim tusk]

It will just be 5 bars next update iirc

[hollow shell]

Ah, yes

So it is confirmed

[civic plinth]

Good stuff

[shell drift]

only 5 or 10?

seems kinda cheap with the new tesla bar recipe

[hollow shell]

We'll see how it is in practice.

[shell drift]

shadowspec bars will require both calamitous essence and draedon loots right?

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[shell drift]

will the amount of calamitous essence still be 20-40 ?

cause if so, 5-10 shadow bars is really cheap for dev weapons

cause then you get like 6 of them per boss kill

[hollow shell]

Again, we'll see
We haven't gotten to that point in development yet

[grim tusk]

Shadowspecs will need
Auric + Draedon stuff + Cal essense.
Maybe mircacle matter as well

[civic plinth]

Wait what does the new auric bar recipe consist of?

[shell drift]

yharon souls + auric ore

[hollow shell]

^ Indeed

Miracle Matter (used to make exo weps) was given the complex recipe

Drae drops plus all the other shit currently in Auric Bar's recipe

I don't think Shadowspec bars will use Miracle Matter

[ashen warren]

This seems like it would take at least 50 minutes

Like

What is the point

If you wanna do boss rush without weapons nobody’s gonna stop you

The game doesn’t really need to impose limitations when you can easily do it yourself

[tawny garden]

Well, it's an optional thing

[ashen warren]

Yea but it’s pretty much useless if you can do the challenge without something preventing you to do it

Nothing in game is preventing you from yeeting your weapons

Also it would probably take a very long time

Boss rush with a bunch of random summon accessories doesn’t seem all that viable

[tawny garden]

It would

[earnest cape]

armageddon, defiled feather and stuff like that exist. All of them will just be challenge items so "what's the point"

[ashen warren]

The thing with Armageddon is that in most cases getting hit by a stray projectile in a middle of a boss fight won’t kill you