#suggestions-discussion
cobalt pewter
safe oasis
it’s useless lore tbh
still zodiac
So yeah, making them spawn instantly or increasing their spawn rates would be very good
warm scarab
yes
i do plan to make a sugg on vanilla npcs
espically goblin
and mechanic
those 2 are echdemon to find
safe oasis
like why take the trouble of bringing him underground and tying him up? him fitting in with the goblins and then moving in when he’s free since you killed them makes so much more sense
still zodiac
Exactly
languid temple
Bed that makes it reverse time yeah or nah
dreamy fjord
fair
tawny garden
Bed that makes it reverse time yeah or nah
nah
languid temple
Eh it's a bad idea
pastel terrace
We have the cosmolight
languid temple
Also impossible because if it reverses time then like traveling merchants will have to respawn and sell the same suff
Stuff
pastel terrace
cosmolight should use mana or be on a cool down
languid temple
And rain, solar eclipses, blood moons, frost moons and pumpkin moons
And many other stuff
Also buff maybe hearts
pastel terrace
I wonder how the 1.4 bed thing where you can sleep through multiple days will affect the cosmolight
warm scarab
Also impossible because if it reverses time then like traveling merchants will h...
nothing is impossibel
languid temple
When you see it ^
hollow shell
Yeah it'd be possible but it'd be really screwy :P
warm scarab
When you see it ^
can you not
languid temple
Bruh elements awoken has melee whips how
safe oasis
not the right channel for that
warm scarab
agile bolt
~~cosmolight should use mana or be on a cool down~~
May i ask why? it would add nothing good to the game, it would just make it more worse
fossil finch
Yeah
It is already negated for bossfights and spamming days and nights won't do much other than
Travelling Merchant cheese?
earnest cape
200% sure cosmolight trade cheese doesn't exist
cobalt pewter
If you can somehow stop in game time as well, you prolly could
fossil finch
I mean you can get him to spawn basically all you want by spamming it byeah
eternal escarp
yeah but i think it wont make his trades switch with Cosmolight
also mana wouldnt make any diff tbf
you just just mana pot or like
wait a second
still zodiac
ye that would be an unnecessary change
agile bolt
I dont think you can spawn traveling merchant with cosmolight? it doesn't really like move the time to the future, it just sets the time. For example you cant bring angler a quest fish, spam cosmolight and take a new quest, you still need to wait for the day to naturally end
tawny garden
You can't spawn him, yes
The code for the Travelling Merchant's arrival is bypassed
tawny garden
make a google doc
warm scarab
ok
tawny garden
and write a short summary
warm scarab
tawny garden
mh
earnest cape
if you're having trouble making a sugg in less than 2000 characters you might want to learn how to make shorter suggs
also dungeon is also made more annoyingly harder in 1.4
agile bolt
landmines 
would make dungeon more harder
one use trap that doesn't spawn back but it will make your dungeon visit a living hell
earnest cape
and isn't the dungeon also being reworked in 1.5
tawny garden
more harder
agile bolt
1.4 tmod will add crumbling blocks 
earnest cape
and isn't the dungeon also being reworked in 1.5
nvm
eternal escarp
prolly write a summary with it
otherwise youd get atleast 8 votes from those who bothered reading
tawny garden
atmost*
earnest cape
tawny garden
though uhh, wall of text suggs aren't always doomed
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
Philo without mentioning his rage rework sugg for 5 seconds challenge
agile bolt
Keep in mind that no one has the patience to actually read a long text. They either just skip it or give it thumbs up since a lot of text = good suggestion
cobalt pewter
Go
cobalt pewter
h
warm scarab
though uhh, wall of text suggs aren't always doomed
thing is
this thing is 3k words long
crude geode
jesus christ
warm scarab
prolly write a summary with it
i am extremely bad at summerzing things
tawny garden
remove the water
warm scarab
jesus christ
warm scarab
remove the water
?
tawny garden
"water" is text that doesn't contribute to anything
sand umbra
if you're having trouble making a sugg in less than 2000 characters you might wa...
hahaAAAAA yes you have to make shorter suggs to stay within char limit, yeus
this is important stuffs
warm scarab
warm scarab
hahaAAAAA yes you have to make shorter suggs to stay within char limit, yeus
thi...
?
haha
😕
sand umbra
you should conveniently ignore the fact that I myself am awful at summarizing shit because I feel like I need to say a decent amount to get my point across
earnest cape
:)
sand umbra
and instead focus on what is necessary to stating your point
tawny garden
flashback to that sugg when you wrote "in short" and then proceeded to write an essay
sand umbra
that really narrows it down, yeah
sorry but you're gonna need to be a little more specific than that 
earnest cape
lmfao
sand umbra
I do that shit all the time (and I think people laugh at me for it when I'm not listening, but that's not the point)
point is, when making a sugg, you should focus first and foremost on what exactly you need to communicate to get your point across
every bit of a sugg should more or less be important to proving your point and selling the general public on your idea
crude geode
^
Excess doesn't really help that much, except if you need to really accentuate a problem (like Post-Golem ).
sand umbra
a problem like Ravager, perhaps--
pine star
flashback to that sugg when you wrote "in short" and then proceeded to write an ...
:omegafailure:
tawny garden
gg
sand umbra
byeah
excess isn't useful unless you really need to give the nitty-gritty of it (this is usually only applicable for justifying the suggestion of larger-scale changes, such as my Verstaltite sugg a while back, or the 3 or 4 times we've collectively suggested that Ravager become the dedicated Bloodstone boss despite the knowledge that it'll more than likely never happen)
crude geode
if you're hitting the character limit you're putting too many details in that no one is going to read through or care about.
Cut the details about how you would fix it, that's up to devs anyway
Remove any descriptions of anything that isn't vitally important to your main point (....5% to blah, blah, and blah, and 10% jump speed)
sand umbra
what the fuck
warm scarab
*what the fuck*
i already cut a ton off
earnest cape
indeed
sand umbra
how did you go 708 characters over limit
warm scarab
it used to have 3k words as i said
crude geode
you've still got excess
warm scarab
sand umbra
this is like
evil island dissertation vibes
warm scarab
this is like
evil island dissertation vibes
sand umbra
no, not words, characters
warm scarab
characters
sand umbra
it's a character limit, not a word limit
sand umbra
and I know that limit because I hang out with it pretty often thanks to the amount of suggs I make that nearly reach it
cobalt pewter
Br
sand umbra
warm scarab
crude geode
also if you're using up the character limit your sugg is gonna look ugly as hell iirc
sand umbra
not necessarily, although it does mean it's gonna be a Big Chungus-level read
crude geode
line breaks and dashes can only help so much when you're reading a college thesis
sand umbra
which leads into the other problem:
people do not want to read a 2,000-character essay on a QoL change (or anything that isn't large, really)
they want some information on why you think the way you do, perhaps, but usually not that much
ashen warren
i'm fairly certain that there hant been an approved character limit suggestion
sand umbra
you gotta be able to keep your suggs condensed and to the point
warm scarab
warm scarab
people do not want to read a 2,000-character essay on a QoL change (or anything ...
my sugg's change can be gigantic
i almost wrote my mod's proposed content as the sugg
crude geode
then don't make it gigantic
warm scarab
which is 5k words long
earnest cape
it's
crude geode
bc it's gonna be gunned down as too large content.
earnest cape
not hard to not make something big
sand umbra
...it occurs to me I should've asked this when I first got here
what exactly is your sugg
warm scarab
but i thought i should summarize it and made this
ashen warren
post it
earnest cape
<@!456921329158062093> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18BpC_avcYbdX2yxZUeGiJ...
.
sand umbra
no I'm too lazy
earnest cape
i didn't care to take the time to read all of it for obvious reasons
sand umbra
I don't care either way I wanted to bait out a short explanation because that's all you need
ashen warren
it was being edited as i read it so i couldnt even try
warm scarab
and there's your header, now just condense the reasoning into like 300-400 chars...
impossible
sand umbra
hmmm
warm scarab
it was being edited as i read it so i couldnt even try
i'm editing it to make it shorter
can't
crude geode
"For example, dart traps are relatively visible, deal little damage and have a shot cooldown, hence they pose no threat as you can block it off/mine the dart trap or just tank it. The spikes only inflict bleeding(which is a very minor debuff) and deal little damage. Spikes can also be mined up with any pickaxe, which makes them pointless as even if you don't mine them up, blocks/platforms exist."
This entire thing can be summarized as "Most of the traps deal very little damage and can be avoided easily."
sand umbra
can you summarize your reasoning for me? why do you want this to happen?
warm scarab
can you summarize your reasoning for me? why do you want this to happen?
the dungeon have so much potential
but it's wasted
warm scarab
turn off reply pings
ashen warren
i mean the dungeon is optional :)
sand umbra
(it's also triggering me)
warm scarab
it's triggering me
i'm not pinging you
warm scarab
(it's also triggering me)
sand umbra
the Dungeon is in fact not optiona--
wait fuck Eidolists spawn in the Abyss never mind
earnest cape
anyway
earnest cape
the Dungeon is in fact not optiona--
wait fuck Eidolists spawn in the Abyss neve...
layer three yes
ashen warren
:)
sand umbra
hage
crude geode
The dungeon is probably one of the best biomes currently. It has content in exploration, enemies, and is visited multiple times without losing both of those values.
warm scarab
92 char too long
warm scarab
The dungeon is probably one of the best biomes currently. It has content in expl...
yes
post skull
post plant
post ml
crude geode
Turn off ping replies.
ashen warren
with imksushi and funky positioning you can chose to never enter the dungweon
crude geode
It's unnecessary.
sand umbra
bruh
moment
crude geode
it isn't but vanilla low % sucks
warm scarab
entering the dungeon isnt neccessary in a vanilla run either
you need to beat skeletron
it's not necessary
ashen warren
if u get a mod with a fish crate seller and a golden key crafting recipe u can do many things
potent ferry
you need to beat skeletron
you dont have to enter it
earnest cape
vanilla low% more like playing the game normall
sand umbra
it's not necessary to enter the Dungeon but it is necessary to kill Skeletron in vanilla
potent ferry
yeah
warm scarab
but there's absolutely no reason to not get shadow key in calamity
sand umbra
because you need to do so for the cultists to spawn
warm scarab
unless low%
ashen warren
it's not necessary to *enter* the Dungeon but it is necessary to kill Skeletron ...
how so
warm scarab
which you only need one phm boss
sand umbra
...so I guess either way Dungeon is optional
I hate this
sand umbra
I hate everything
...wait, no, that's just my normal state of being
warm scarab
why the fuck wouldn't you go to dungeon
sand umbra
warm scarab
I hate everything
...wait, no, that's just my normal state of being
:hdflr:
sand umbra
either that or it's a funky YouTuber that nobody watches anymore, pick your poison
ashen warren
with funny actuators and long readch both structure are not required
ashen warren
temple
earnest cape
Let's be real dungeon is practically not optional since do you really want to spend several hundreds of hours farming eidolists for ectoplasm?
ashen warren
remove dungeon
crude geode
of actual suggestions
^^^
ashen warren
death mode alr buffs it i think
crude geode
Isn't the idea of buffing dungeon's traps really simple and also done by vanilla with the whole spike pits in 1.4
sand umbra
yes
earnest cape
I mentioned it earlier
sand umbra
1.4 actually does like everything I'd expect Dungeon to have added to it
my only real complaint with 1.4 Dungeon is that you can't break crumbling blocks with weaponry/projectiles
that is the only change you need to apply
potent ferry
ye
ashen warren
i mean if u want an actual dnd-esc dungeon then u can add puzzles or smth
earnest cape
hage
pine star
my only real complaint with 1.4 Dungeon is that you can't break crumbling blocks...
this
potent ferry
i still dont know how crumbling blocks work
warm scarab
i still dont know how crumbling blocks work
arena blocks are the perfect example
crude geode
i still dont know how crumbling blocks work
not the channel.
ashen warren
like when u use golden key u have to do smth to get it open while enemies are firing at you
sand umbra
basically you walk over them and there's a possibility they break, much more likely if you hit them at high velo--
oh yeah I need to
okay
earnest cape
warm scarab
-27 
sand umbra
there will be time to nerd out over 1.4 Dungeon later I'm gonna read this doc and then make a summarized version of it in less than 5 minutes
watch me
earnest cape
anyway I just see the sugg redundant since dungeon's already buffed in 1.4 whenever tmod 1.4 comes out lol
warm scarab
there will be time to nerd out over 1.4 Dungeon later I'm gonna read this doc an...
i just need to yeet 27 characters
ashen warren
i mean the entire mod is gonna have to be revised
earnest cape
there will be time to nerd out over 1.4 Dungeon later I'm gonna read this doc an...
gl
warm scarab
ashen warren
no more pre boss hellstone :(
ashen warren
noo my progression breaks
crude geode
@warm scarab Remove the part about dungeon weapons being bad.
warm scarab
<@!734682139202682881> Remove the part about dungeon weapons being bad.
why
i need a reasoning-
wait
crude geode
Look in posting.
sand umbra
Make the Dungeon more dangerous and buff (or rework) the items found in Gold Chests.
❔
The Dungeon has a large amount of potential which Calamity does a bit of expansion upon, but due to the addition of Abyss Chest weapons and the Slime God's drops there's even less of a reason to gather its loot than in vanilla --- and with Calamity's incredible mobility options even early on, the Dungeon becomes virtually a non-issue for anyone worth their salt. As a result, the Dungeon should be made more dangerous to account for Calamity options, and the items in Gold Chests should be adjusted to ensure there's a reason to get them instead of Shadow Chest items or Abyss Chest gear.
bam
warm scarab
balancing is yeeted
sand umbra
what's my time
trick question, it's less than 5 minutes, as I said
that took me no time at all
crude geode
lmao
warm scarab
crude geode
if you're hitting the character limit you're putting too many details in that no...
laughs in "Remove any descriptions of anything that isn't vitally important to your main point"
warm scarab
*laughs in "Remove any descriptions of anything that isn't vitally important to ...
yes
so i yeeted the weapon part
sand umbra
do not underestimate my ability to summarize
you do not have the power to comprehend the number of times I have had to do this for my own suggs, let alone somebody else's
warm scarab
most weapons are myths anyways
ashen warren
why dosent wiki feet have the feet i want on it
pine star
why dosent wiki feet have the feet i want on it <:ultimatesmug:80749832869366991...
wtf?
tawny garden
why dosent wiki feet have the feet i want on it <:ultimatesmug:80749832869366991...
and how is that related to suggestions
warm scarab
good question
ashen warren
wip suggestion
add more feet to wikifeet
There just is not enough. i want more
warm scarab
wtf
silent jewel
have fun with your mute :D
ashen warren
anyways dunegon weapons arent that bad tbh, the ones added by calamity mostly
crude geode
Vanilla Dungeon Weapons are awful.
sand umbra
Calamity doesn't add any Dungeon weapons
pine star
Vanilla Dungeon Weapons are awful.
There's like 1 decent vanilla dungeon weapon I think?
crude geode
Either immediately upgraded or just plain outclassed (or Aqua Scepter).
sand umbra
there's one decent vanilla Dungeon weapon
silent jewel
what?
sand umbra
and that weapon is Water Bolt 
pine star
I was going to say Magic Missile
warm scarab
that doesn't require dungeon
pine star
but that's only 1.4
ashen warren
there are 3 and threy pretty good
crude geode
and that weapon is Water Bolt <:HDfailure:620274059992629258>
Flare Bolt
warm scarab
frost bolt
silent jewel
if you judge by stats, the Handgun, Aqua Sceptor, and Water Bolt are all great
sand umbra
1.4 Magic Missile is also pretty pog but every time I bring up 1.4 being good people are like "Calamity isn't gonna be on 1.4 fuck you" and I'm just like "bruh"
warm scarab
silent jewel
Muramasa was great a while ago but it kind of fell to the wayside when the Night's Edge became a thing
sand umbra
Handgun is good until you upgrade it 2 minutes if that after getting it
Muramasa used to be god
crude geode
1.4 Magic Missile is indeed pog, calamity is just not on it so I would like it to get a buff until then
warm scarab
cobalt pewter
1.4 Magic Missile is also pretty pog but every time I bring up 1.4 being good pe...
To be fair even mods kinda discouraged it so that's nyech
sand umbra
it then got nerfed into the ground around the same time NE got introduced and it has never been able to be viable since
warm scarab
To be fair even mods kinda discouraged it so that's nyech
nyech?
sand umbra
no matter how many miniscule buffs it received it has never been as good as it originally was, and it likely never will be
crude geode
NE just needs to be locked behind SG.
silent jewel
i wish killing the night's edge wouldn't disrupt the progression of every major mod in some way
cobalt pewter
Night's Edge behind SG can be nice ig
ashen warren
slime god is usually fought pre-skeletron
sand umbra
especially in a mod like Calamity where the delusion of being able to fight a boss with an actual melee weapon without it being the size of Saturn is a pipe dream at best
cobalt pewter
?
crude geode
i wish killing the night's edge wouldn't disrupt the progression of every major ...
I mean are we already not doing that with Early Hardmode changes
cobalt pewter
SG is intended post Skelly, pre Woffle
silent jewel
no?
silent jewel
if i remember calamity's hardmode progression rework is optional, behind a modconfig
sand umbra
yeah SG is usually, and intended to be, fought post-Skeletron
ashen warren
it isnt that hard, especially if your point is that dungeon/post skele weaponsa rent great
cobalt pewter
If you can beat SG preboss, congrats! Doesn't change the fact that it's intended to be fought post skelly.
eternal escarp
it isnt that hard, especially if your point is that dungeon/post skele weaponsa ...
its still intended post Skeletron
easy or not
crude geode
your choice to fight the second hardest boss in pre-hardmode without abyss weapons
cobalt pewter
if i remember calamity's hardmode progression rework is optional, behind a modco...
Ye
frail mantle
Calamity doesn't add any Dungeon weapons
it does
crude geode
if i remember calamity's hardmode progression rework is optional, behind a modco...
didn't hear of that. kinda stinky but understandable.
ashen warren
Muramasa viable on slime god when
ashen warren
tbh slime god is post skele but mostly bv of aero wings
pine star
I was thinking:
Maybe Muramasa rips through DR?
frail mantle
unless you meant Golden Chest weapons, that is
cobalt pewter
Golden Chest weapons, no yeah
Otherwise Dungeon has cal weapons, at least enemy drops
pine star
Like if you hit an enemy with the Muramasa, they lose DR?
cobalt pewter
Cue no one actually knowing what Shinobi Blade is
pine star
yes negative dr is intentional
cobalt pewter
pine star
Cue no one actually knowing what Shinobi Blade is
I know what it is
sand umbra
unless you meant Golden Chest weapons, that is
...oh yeah
eternal escarp
theres like, 3 drops yea
sand umbra
Shinobi Blade and SoN exist
eternal escarp
i assumed you meant golden chest loot at first
sand umbra
(and Ancient Shiv, but. it's Ancient Shiv. nobody cares)
silent jewel
also, i don't think this suggestion is in particularly good faith
crude geode
which one
silent jewel
the one i thought we were talking about?
the one in #suggestions-posting?
most recent one?
crude geode
There's two about dungeon in posting, just making sure, byeah.
Dungeon is honestly in a fine spot overall, especially when compared with something like the Hallow or Brimstone Crags.
pine star
I guess that is true
cobalt pewter
Dungeon is revisited fairly a bunch in cal beyond initial ones
crude geode
It's not nearly as good as the Abyss but the Abyss is also a modded biome with a ton of love and care put into it.
silent jewel
lol
we can see a lot of the dungeon enemies gets easily stunlocked by weapons from all classes(melee have mycelial claws, rangers have pumpler, mage have tradewinds, summoners have belladonna, rogue have mycoroot) and have too little defense/health to not get killed in singular hits(i.e. meteor fist 2-3 shot dungeon enemies most of the time).
isn't this more indicative of the weapons themselves than the NPCs? in vanilla, the options for things you can stun lock with in the dungeon is a lot more limited and it'd be pretty easily to add resistances to a group of NPCs to prevent this
immediately following that is praise to cursed skulls which i don't really get at all
silent jewel
they're never a threat unless you have no patience
pine star
There's a reason I had like 4 question marks
silent jewel
they spawn uncommonly and aren't particularly aggressive enemies, so getting hit by them is unlikely unless you just avoid giving them any respect whatsoever
crude geode
And if you do enjoy actually giving them respect, they sit in the wall until some bone boy smacks you in the back of the head and you go back to giving them only slight respect.
silent jewel
bone boys can't do much to you at range so you can just kind of wait for it, provided you're in a position where you can go into a fairly open area or you're not absolutely surrounded by skeletons below and above you
they sound much more dangerous on paper ig.
crude geode
I get swarmed occasionally tbh, especially when actually exploring.
tawny garden
@hybrid talon you need a reason
distant gyro
you aren't allowed to suggest references for sake of references either
tawny garden
yeah
distant gyro
and if asking for a general shotgun then there are plenty
radiant meadow
Soma prime and Rubico prime are both dedicated weapons btw
Using dedicated items as a reason is generally not the best idea
hybrid talon
I'm thinking like a zenith type shotgun (maybe post Dog?) that would be a combination of other shotguns
zenith hazel
hell no
cobalt pewter
Dedicated weapons are whatever the FUCK
So yeah
Not a good reason to balance your sugg around
zenith hazel
we're not adding a zenith-type weapon, especially for a specific thing such as a shotgun
wooden wedge
that also is not a reason
hybrid talon
Maybe not that but still
And the reason is that there are not alot of post-ml shotguns
fossil finch
There are a lot of guns
If you want to go further than that, it would never be accepted realistically
hybrid talon
Ok
hollow shell
You could potentially use a lack of post-ML shotguns as a reason
"Too many machine-gun type weapons, and the only ones that fire slowly are sniper rifles, leading to a lack of variety"
tawny garden
@ashen warren only post actual suggestions in that channel, please
whole sedge
Underground astral is already getting some more stuff iirc
tawny garden
and, I believe, they are adding stuff to it
ashen warren
How are the pylons going to work when 1.4 is included in the tmodloader
Is there gonna be new ones?
hollow shell
We'll see when we get there
tawny garden
maybe
whole sedge
You'll have to wait and see
hollow shell
Depending on how they're coded we may be able to add new ones
(I hope that we're able to, I have some ideas)
ashen warren
Nice
What if the sky limit was heightened and we add more to it or do you think it’s perfect
Aka space
hollow shell
We used to do that
to fit our Planetoids
But it caused a lot of issues
so we reverted it
ashen warren
Makes sense
hollow shell
Stuff regarding Layer height definitions becoming inconsistent (including where the proper Dungeon starts), and the obvious issue of the full map extending off of the background
hollow shell
👍
hollow shell
It would probably have to be programmed from the ground up
It'd definitely be possible but it would not be easy
considering how long for tMod 1.4 is taking, and that already had a working version in 1.3
ashen warren
I keep hearing the devs of terraria say that it’s not possible
hollow shell
It would not be possible to just take our current tModLoader and apply it to mobile
I don't know much about mobile's code but I have to imagine it's VERY different
ashen warren
Yeah
tawny garden
by "not possible" they mean that they would have to rewrite it entirely
This is offtopic now
hollow shell
Lil bit
ashen warren
Lil
tawny garden
(Mobile is very different
XNA is only a Windows thing
it might not even be coded in C#)
hollow shell
Indeed
ashen warren
I heard something about how there’s gonna be bigger bosses than supreme calamtas
hollow shell
Later down the line yeah
The upcoming update has a boss that is the same level as SCal
So, a new final boss technically
The final boss spot is shared between them
ashen warren
It’s gonna be crazy once it comes out
tawny garden
(Upcoming stuff isn't for this channel 
)
hollow shell
Throwing or Rogue?
hollow shell
Aight
We're not gonna touch Throwing
Cuz that's getting removed in tMod 1.4, vanilla changed it to be a Ranged subclass
Anything we add to Throwing now would be useless
ashen warren
Then rouge
hollow shell
That's why we added our own class, Rogue, which would last through the removal
Yeah
hollow shell
We don't have a pillar for Rogue but we do have Meld Blobs/Constructs which serve as its fragment
ashen warren
Oh
safe oasis
i thought tmod was gonna keep throwing for mod compatibility
hollow shell
I've heard mixed things about that
hollow shell
I think their original plan was to keep it for compatibility but they later backed out on that decision once development started
They may have re-changed their minds again? I don't know
dapper coral
it's complicated™️
potent ferry
im assuming rogue doesnt have a pillar
hollow shell
It doesn't, currently, no
potent ferry
cause pillars suck
hollow shell
Yeah
Any kind of new pillar is a controversial idea
Thanks in no small part to the Tremor mod doing it, and people do not like the Tremor mod
potent ferry
honestly if they made a new pillar when they revamp the pillars i would be down for it
hollow shell
I can't say, I'm not a tester
ashen warren
No problem
grim tusk
Do you think the defense of all classes is balanced?
Im not a tester but i can say that stuff is getting fixed and balanced and it should be fine next patch
grim tusk
Speaking of rogue
Rogue has/had some broken shit that has been taken care of
safe oasis
inb4 you rant about old die for another 3 hours
languid quartz
oh no
languid quartz
(:
grim tusk
Anyways both (and glove of recklessness) die next patch
grim tusk
And stealth is gonna be epic next patch
So wait for next update to suggest balance suggs
for what you can and cant suggest
gaunt quest
Can't wait because I love the rogue class
tawny garden
you'll be in for a treat
Since #suggestions-posting was created (20 April 2020), there were ⭐ 2657 suggestions. Of these:
✅ 805 were delivered to the dev server/mod voting
👍 446 were approved
🚫 162 were rejected
☑️ 66 were bluechecks
🏁 106 were implemented (34 of these were implemented before being delivered)
Which gives a grand total delivery rate of 30.3%,
an approval rate of 16.79% (55.4% of delivered),
and an implementation rate of 3.99% (rates: including "instant flags": 13.17% of delivered, 23.77% of approved; excluding "instant flags": 8.94% of delivered, 16.14% of approved)
Link to the previous report: #suggestions-discussion message
hollow shell
Oh boy, it's almost the 1 year anniversary
tawny garden
indeed
hollow shell
These are good stats as always, thanks Philo
tawny garden
went down from 4.12% to 3.99%
I bet that's because emote suggs were killed
hollow shell
Maybe
tawny garden
many
zenith hazel
a whopping 0%
languid quartz
grim tusk
pine star
@elfin wharf Calamity Extra Music is long dead
zenith hazel
^, and we're not even associated with extra music
tawny garden
oh wow it's been a month already?
it's been a year already
earnest cape
tawny garden
(since the new bot system was rolled out)
cosmic abyss
Oh boy, it's almost the 1 year anniversary
Imagine anniversary secret update
It just adds cool decorations and nothing else.
languid temple
Terraria's 10 year anniversary is in the same month as my birthday eat it
earnest cape
cool
frozen hornet
Terraria's 10 year anniversary is in the same month as my birthday eat it
Only the ten year anniversary?
frozen hornet
Indeed
I meant only as in his birthday is only on terraria's 10 year anniversary,which would mean his birthday happense once every 10 years
tawny garden
safe oasis
february 29 birthday moment
tawny garden
yeah
agile bolt
Well i mean someone made 2 golden gun suggestion at the same time
safe oasis
@round ravine philosopher stone and charm of myths
eternal escarp
this sugg is basically buffing mage for nothin isnt it
eternal escarp
oh, mybad
gray nebula
The one that prevents you from gulping down multiple health potions in a row
tawny ocean
Is it just me or is the new suggestion that just game in literally “noooooo I died because I couldn’t healllllllll I need to be able to heal infinitely”
gray nebula
eternal escarp
oh so even worse
safe oasis
there’s a mod that removes potion and mana sickness completely
eternal escarp
yeah sugg is basically "i died to this annoying balance please change"
safe oasis
eternal escarp
Now this does sound unbalanced, yes, but I bet you could make it work somehow. I'm not on the team, so I'm not an omega genius like the rest of you.
this would just be unneccesary work to balance this thing when the game is already balanced around how it works currently
tawny ocean
yeah sugg is basically "i died to this annoying balance please change"
Sometimes people die to things and then make decent suggestions (like the slime god traveling at 100 mph directly after exiting the core)
gray nebula
Guess we just gotta um be omega geniuses 
round ravine
<@388460480915832833> philosopher stone and charm of myths
SON OF A
eternal escarp
Sometimes people die to things and then make decent suggestions (like the slime ...
yeah, this specific sugg is less of an actual sugg though tbf
agile bolt
You're telling me that we should reduce the healing potion time or maybe make it like mana potions where if you spam use them they will be less effective each time?
gray nebula
But yeah i mean philo stone and friends are already broken enough because you dont need to even waste an acc slot, just autopause and then swap them in, heal, swap them out
eternal escarp
basically this sugg will just require a big amount of rebalancing for practically no purpose
cobalt pewter
Potion Sickness is part of healing potion balance
eternal escarp
its just taking the currently pretty balanced cooldown, changing it, and then rebalancing it agian
cobalt pewter
And in some cases, Purified Jam balance
eternal escarp
yeah
cobalt pewter
(Purified Jam is dumb btw)
agile bolt
Yeah, the healing potion cooldown is perfectly balanced. If it was even like 10 seconds lower it would already make a massive difference in the whole games difficulty
eternal escarp
(well theres accesories that lower it a bit)
agile bolt
Ye, it taked 15 seconds out from it
cobalt pewter
That's 25% more frequent healing
eternal escarp
Regardless, this debuff needs at least something to make it more manageable when fighting something like, say, Providence or Yharon.
also this, not to sound like an arse but there is something that makes it managable.
not relying on the healing potions
getting more life regen
trying to avoid more
eternal escarp
yeah thats #suggestions-discussion in a nutshell kek
cobalt pewter
Just to get the point across
warm scarab
> Regardless, this debuff needs at least something to make it more manageable wh...
arma
agile bolt
Well when the suggestion is just "endgame bosses too hard, make healing stronger" then yeah. There's not much intellectual talk to be had
warm scarab
kinda 
tbh
warm scarab
no quality sugg
tawny garden
This is one angy sugg
warm scarab
dunno how thats related lol
arma negates healing potions
eternal escarp
yeah it got debunked already carry on smh
warm scarab
unless alcohol poisoning
cobalt pewter
Now this does sound unbalanced, yes, but I bet you could make it work somehow.
Then why suggest it if you know it's unbalanced
I'm not on the team, so I'm not an omega genius like the rest of you.
Now this just kinda sounds snarky
shrewd furnace
This suggestion is asking to put philosopher stone in the game
warm scarab
This is one angy sugg
angery
cobalt pewter
Okay I'll stop now, but like, I hate the tone of this sugg
Moreso than the sugg itself
eternal escarp
arma negates healing potions
? wdym negates
warm scarab
This suggestion is asking to put philosopher stone in the game
when it exists alr
warm scarab
? wdym negates
arma just kills you
you won't take damage
meaning you can't heal
unless alcohol poisoning/other debuffs/brimflame
eternal escarp
well you can take debuff damage, or weapons that use your life
warm scarab
or hp draining weapons
warm scarab
well you can take debuff damage, or weapons that use your life
ye
eternal escarp
it doesnt negate, just makes it mostly obsolete
agile bolt
arma negates healing potions
No it doesn't? When im doing Scal nohit my life regen is on the negative side so i have to heal with potions
warm scarab
i'm from hong kong don't expect me to speak english like a god
warm scarab
No it doesn't? When im doing Scal nohit my life regen is on the negative side so...
wtf
cobalt pewter
But yeah, if you don't have much more to say about the sugg itself, move on
earnest cape
@round ravine try to not make the sugg sound like a rant, remove the specificity of how much it'll be reduced, add proper reasoning and remove Now this does sound unbalanced, yes, but I bet you could make it work somehow. I'm not on the team, so I'm not an omega genius like the rest of you this line
aaghhh im having trouble wording
tawny garden
we all hate this stupid debuff
earnest cape
goodbye that wall of text
tawny garden
This should go yeah
earnest cape
oh i was talking about the essay i was writing but that works too
agile bolt
> we all hate this stupid debuff
Well i mean if the debuff didn't excist the game would turn into baby mode so ye
earnest cape
at the very least the sugg should be ❗
eternal escarp
suggestor should prolly read the whole convo here about their sugg tbf
agile bolt
But yeah, you need to give a good reasoning as to why, possible way to fix it and just make the text as short as possible
earnest cape
I don't agree with that second part since all you need is to make the sugg readable and to the point
big suggs are fine, just not have bloat
we spoke about this quite literally yesterday lol
thomas where are you
agile bolt
Well the short is just since if it goes through and it's long most people dont have the power to read through it so they just skip it
earnest cape
line breaks and - helps
cobalt pewter
The tone of the sugg overall makes me angy
agile bolt
Good writing can still fix long suggs
eternal escarp
the tone is just ranting basically yes
eternal escarp
sugg is just reworking this already balanced feature for no point
cobalt pewter
Mhm
warm scarab
how does this look
zenith hazel
yeah there's no reason for that potion sickness sugg
warm scarab
sugg is just reworking this already balanced feature for no point
angery sugg momentum
agile bolt
"Regardless, this debuff needs at least something to make it more manageable when fighting something like, say, Providence or Yharon."
This is literally just a rant about endgame bosses being too hard so buff healing potions
warm scarab
earnest cape
don't forget omega healing potions that heal you for like one third of your health lol
cobalt pewter
lole
warm scarab
so how does my sugg look
eternal escarp
there are already solutions to the last line ive noted a bit before byeah
agile bolt
Also life regen is a thing as well
warm scarab
Also life regen is a thing as well
all post ml bosses inflict a debuff
eternal escarp
> Regardless, this debuff needs at least something to make it more manageable wh...
this thing
warm scarab
a DoT one to specify
agile bolt
so how does my sugg look <:BanditHueh:678363737530302476>
I like it. It is simple but i dye by boots very often just so that the running trail and effects look cooler
earnest cape
Also life regen is a thing as well
haha would be nice if literally every debuff doesn't cancel positive life regen
byech
agile bolt
Dont get hit
earnest cape
warm scarab
holy flames - donuts and provi
nightwither - polter and night provi
electrified - storm fucker and fatfuck
iframe fuckery :hdflr: (mis you know what i mean i suppose) - ceased void
whispering death - signut and doggo
irridiated - 
god slayer inferno and frostburn(for some reason) - doggo
lethal lava burn - yharon
abyssal flames and vun hex - scal
earnest cape
h
eternal escarp
frostburn(for some reason)
space worm
space is cold
earnest cape
why?
warm scarab
Make all accessory effect spawned dusts' color change with dye
Self explanatory, as dyes affect magic carpet color, spectre boots(or better) running dust color and many other dusts that come with accessories, i think making them change accessory effect created dust (i.e. evasion scarf and counter scarf's dash trail) color would make more sense as well as opening up more options on vanities
ashen warren
there should be a something written in large like melee for the melee helemets ranged for ranged helmets etc
eternal escarp
?
tawny garden
What
tawny garden
Are you talking about the wiki or smth
worldly tangle
They want helmets to be distinct more than just name and having their damage type in the description to know which is which
tawny garden
Ah
eternal escarp
huh
well
the description is enough tbf
atleast imo it is
and each class has a diffrent helmet name for each set (although they get mixed, its still different)
ashen warren
I want them to be like this
eternal escarp
hm
i mean, i dont think theres anything wrong in suggesting smthn like this
aslong as you have a reason
obviously
pine star
small, yet large enough
eternal escarp
could prolly expand this to Astrum Deus too tbf
since he has the mines gimmick aswell
burnt bough
alr i edited it to any boss
agile bolt
Never bothered me the small mines since they usually despawn when i finally respawn myself but i could see how it might be a bit annoying
ashen warren
Never bothered me the small mines since they usually despawn when i finally resp...
specially in nohits
how do I suggest my suggestion in #suggestions-posting ? do I send this picture ?
eternal escarp
which shouldnt exactly be taken into account, but this is a suggestion with a side-effect that helps in that case
basically
you need a title (could **bold it like this** but you dont have to) that will explain your sugg in short.
then, after a line break (shift+enter) you should write a summary of your suggestion, and why it should be added
fossil finch
get cataclysm
eternal escarp
ofcourse
burnt bough
you need a title (could `**bold it like this**` but you dont have to) that will ...
how do you make the text background darker on some of the words
eternal escarp
ashen warren
Add class tags on helemet variants
Add a line in the helemet descriptions that says which class it belongs to. I sometimes make the helemet that doesn't belong to my class .
burnt bough
and then put it in posting so it goes into voting
eternal escarp
Specify multi-class helmets via a class tag on the bottom
Calamity adds a big chunk of multi-class armors, all having 5 helmets for each class, and each helmet having its own (somewhat unique) name.
The problem is, these "unique names" for each helmets often get mixed in every tier (for example, the Wulfrum Headgear is the ranger class helmet, while the Victide Headgear is rogue's) leading to bigger confusion regarding every armor set and its corrosponding class helmet.
A solution to this can be easily done via adding a little tag to each class helmet specifying their class type, to allow easier crafting and to help avoid any confusion.
this should work for yah
eternal escarp
ashen warren
posted
gray nebula
Mabe add a line somewhere um
Adressing the fact that usually class helmets feature the name of the class damage in their tooltip
eternal escarp
hm yeah forgot to do that myself
gray nebula
Rogue shit having the massive fucking stealth explanation (last time i checked at least) and summoner usually having extra minion slots listed are the most obvious ones
b ut yes a colored tag thing would be a lot more practical
eternal escarp
the explanation is in the setbonus iirc
so its not on the helmet alone byeah
could add maybe like
eternal escarp
You could argue that the description should tell you which helmet belongs to each class, but the helmet description are very hard to read, especially later on when they get longer and longer.
could add this in the middle of the sugg
after "..confusion regarding every armor set and its corrosponding class helmet." with another line break
ashen warren
edited please check it
eternal escarp
yeah thats better
burnt bough
my reasoning is that it makes arma farming easier
earnest cape
arma farming is already killed next update, since you only get 6 bags on first kill
earnest cape
my reasoning is that it makes arma farming easier
(aka qol)
burnt bough
oh ok
earnest cape
so yeah just yeet the sugg
burnt bough
rip
hollow shell
It's a fine sugg imo
It's been suggested before.
Also
@round ravine Are you going to edit or delete your suggestion?
You don't mention Philosopher's Stone of any of its upgrades, when you should, because they already do the solution you propose (shortening to 45 seconds)
earnest cape
did they even say anything in regards to the sugg?
hollow shell
Indeed, they said that and then left without doing anything else
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
Ditchin' moment
Also the tone of the sugg is angy
Probably why I was ticked off with the sugg
tawny garden
I have a sneaking suspicion that they didn't know that those accs existed
cobalt pewter
Seems like guy was just salty he couldn't beat Yharon or Provi
And blames it on Potion Sickness
:)
hollow shell
(when he coulda had Rampart equipped which'd solve his issue)
round ravine
<@388460480915832833> Are you going to edit or delete your suggestion?
You don't...
There. I deleted it.
hollow shell
Okay, thank you
round ravine
Shit, I could've mentioned an accessory for pre-hardmode with a similar effect.
earnest cape
that would be pretty op considering hadal's stew exist tbh
hollow shell
You could suggest that, if you can think of a more constructive reason than "It's annoying"
earnest cape
yeh
tawny garden
And don't be angy
shrewd furnace
Shit, I could've mentioned an accessory for pre-hardmode with a similar effect.
Restoration potions have a shortened cooldown in 1.4 so you could use thouse in pre hm once calamity updates
agile bolt
Shit, I could've mentioned an accessory for pre-hardmode with a similar effect.
Philosophers stone is prehardmode?
I have gotten it
round ravine
Nope. It's hardmode-only, as it only drops from Mimics.
agile bolt
You need shadow key. Mechanic npc for actuators. Actuate your way to the chests in brimstone crags biome and open the chests. It's a mega brain idea my friend came up with :D
hollow shell
I forgot about that.
tawny garden
agile bolt
Oh it's a known thing?
earnest cape
it's known now
tawny garden
Rover programmer
hollow shell
Also, Restoration Potions already have reduced cooldowns in 1.3
round ravine
You need shadow key. Mechanic npc for actuators. Actuate your way to the chests ...
Sorry, I'm not playing Calamity at the moment. I'm waiting for the Draedon Update to release.
agile bolt
My friend just came up with the plan when we went to brimstone crags in prehardmode
hollow shell
They're just reduced even more in 1.4
hollow shell
But that's late PreHM
shrewd furnace
They're just reduced even more in 1.4
I though they just had the healing potion plus mana potion gimmick
tawny garden
Sorry, I'm not playing Calamity at the moment. I'm waiting for the Draedon Updat...
don't worry
I, for example, last played Terraria over a year ago
hollow shell
I though they just had the healing potion plus mana potion gimmick
They do, but Sickness only lasts 50 seconds with em in 1.3
shrewd furnace
they also have a recipe with pink gel making them early hm
hollow shell
45 seconds in 1.4
earnest cape
finally something to replace using greater healing potions from golden crates prehm since they're dead
sick bane
they also have a recipe with pink gel making them early hm
Pink gel is prehm?
hollow shell
Prolly meant Early PreHM
shrewd furnace
I did sorry
grim tusk
But that's late PreHM
Wydm, recipe is just bottle + pink gel
hollow shell
That was referring to Hadal Stew
grim tusk
Oh
exotic ibex
then I should change the heading
exotic ibex
ok
hollow shell
I imagine it'd be weird having some projectiles, which do have effects, suddenly becoming invisible or not appearing to fire
But it might be fine if you specifically turn the setting on with the hope of improving FPS?
exotic ibex
I mean
let's take Minecraft OptiFine as an example
there are three options
first is obviously full amount of particles
hollow shell
Well that OptiFine setting doesn't make it so skeleton arrows and blaze/ghast fireballs don't show up
Particles =/= projectiles
exotic ibex
second makes them just less
tawny garden
particles in terraria are called dust
exotic ibex
Well that OptiFine setting doesn't make it so skeleton arrows and blaze/ghast fi...
yup, that's true
I know
I said about it actually
exotic ibex
second makes them just less
and the third removes some
hollow shell
(sugg still says "an enormous amount of dust projectiles" 👀 )
hollow shell
Aight
exotic ibex
cleaned it up
tawny garden
dust could prolly be cut down on
hollow shell
We have been trying to cut down on dust overall for the past
however long
Over a year, I think
But it's still an issue in some cases
hollow shell
I think the main source of lag is when the projectiles and dust emit light, so the game has to do tons of light recalculations
Just the objects existing shouldn't be causing a lotta lag (probably)
hollow shell
Indeed
You could mention them in your sugg too if you want, but that may be too specific of a use-case
If you open up a ton of bags and lag the game, you know what you're doing :P
exotic ibex
hm
if you look closely
you see, that dropped items stack into layers
can we just make all items behind the first invisible
tawny garden
that is a vanilla mechanic, and the code for it is buried somewhere deep
exotic ibex
but well it is actually the most common load
hollow shell
The objects have other code associated with them that will continue to run even if they aren't rendered
Like the effect of being sucked towards the player if you have free inventory space, and gravity
tawny garden
ig our IL editing wizards could fix it
tawny garden
but rendering these make computers cry
not only the rendering
exotic ibex
it must be as an option
exotic ibex
not only the rendering
true
tawny garden
them existing at all is the issue
exotic ibex
it must be as an option
set by default
hollow shell
I have my doubts
I do not think that putting a few PNGs on the screen is what causes the extreme lag
I think that it is all the code pertaining to their behavior
hollow shell
I do not think that putting a lot of PNGs on the screen is what causes lag
Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to have Discord open right now
tawny garden
XNBs*
exotic ibex
it is the most common load for your video card
exotic ibex
Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to have Discord open right now
well, it's actually efforts me to play terraria with opened discord window
I'm playing on gtx 1050 and that's a misery
tawny garden
isn't the rendering for terraria done entirely by the cpu
hollow shell
(You can download software like Sysinternals Process Explorer to see your CPU and GPU load in real time)
exotic ibex
in terraria it is 100 and 95
even with xna balance works normally
exotic ibex
Both get maxed out?
of course
because of i3-5010 and gtx 1050
so you see the problem, don't you
I think I should make separate sugg about items
because I spoke about dust and projectiles at first
hollow shell
You could, yeah
The solution there would probably be reducing Terraria's existing item limit
tawny garden
(impossible, iirc)
(the limit isn't a variable, it's hardcoded into everywhere it's used)
hollow shell
Great.
hollow shell
And I assume enforcing our own new limits could cause more lag than it would fix
tawny garden
I mean
at that point it would be a better choice to just rewrite the entirety of vanilla
hollow shell
which is what I assume the tModLoader team is currently doing
exotic ibex
||draedon update hardmode changes do exactly that||
I mean vanilla progression
should I tag it?
languid temple
When will terraria otherworld get a second chance
tawny garden
~~which is what I assume the tModLoader team is currently doing~~
I heard that they're not fixing vanilla if they don't need to
exotic ibex
When will terraria otherworld get a second chance
never
so, is my sugg sounds good?
for now
hollow shell
Yeah your sugg is fine
exotic ibex
ok that's nice
languid temple
Oh yeah tell me if there will be a paladin class
hollow shell
There won't be
eternal escarp
arent blood worms becoming easier to get in the next update?
languid temple
That's fine
median dove
i hope so
tawny garden
Slimey
don't go offtopic straight away
please
languid temple
K
hollow shell
Indeed @vale vale
languid temple
Nice!
eternal escarp
296 is basically the voodoo demon treatment iirc
hollow shell
Too high Bloodworm rate isn't as bad as too high Voodoo Demon rate
So even if we make the same mistake it'll still prolly be welcome :P
eternal escarp
yeah lol
tawny garden
true, true
eternal escarp
although making them craftable wouldve been another nice option, same as the Truffleworm
byeah
hollow shell
I'm sick of craftable everything
eternal escarp
yeah thats fair
atleast OD spawns after the ARIII so i dont have to hunt worms kekw
hollow shell
((I didn't read that as Acid Rain 3 and instead thought you just did a JoJo cry))
molten quest
And you exchange hunting down worms to hunting down radiation-
eternal escarp
((I didn't read that as Acid Rain 3 and instead thought you just did a JoJo cry)...
((i never watched jojo so i had no idea thats what comes first to peoples mind))
hollow shell
I would like it if we at some point cut down on our vanilla item recipes and came up with some
better solutions
But I don't think that'd be a very popular decision cuz people don't want to spend any more time playing Terraria than they need to
eternal escarp
i mean, there are some stuff that get a recipe which i do find a bit overboard
byeah personally i dont exactly mind it
languid temple
^
eternal escarp
And you exchange hunting down worms to hunting down radiation-
and yes, theres more enemies to kill in the ART3 (god shortnening this is wierd) then my chances to find a bloodworm that wont die to an enemy until i find it kek
molten quest
AR3
hollow shell
(Risk of Rain 3)
eternal escarp
yknow ill stick with AR III, byeah
eternal escarp
(Risk of Rain 3)
this broke me
hollow shell
Nice
full sentinel
