suggestions-discussion

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

the inconvenience thing is inconvenient, but it's not that big of a deal.

not enough to justify giving a ton more work to moderators

[dapper coral]

and at the end of the day, it's a nickname

[safe oasis]

it's not that much work
you get the occasional idiot and thats it

[tawny garden]

this channel is repeating itself again

[dapper coral]

if you're not comfortable pinging a mod for a change then you don't get your name of choice

so be it

[tawny garden]

there are more idiots than you think

[dapper coral]

it's not the end of the world

[crude geode]

Especially not with one of Calamity's biggest updates around the corner.

[hot zephyr]

Someone who isn't a moderator... lecturing a moderator on how to be a moderator....

[dapper coral]

it's not a lecture, ian

[safe oasis]

just because im not a mod here doesnt mean ive never modded a server

[dapper coral]

i understand what you are trying to say, psychic

but that's not something that we are very keen on as a mod team

for the aforementioned reasons

it may be just a little more work by itself, but add that to all the other stuff we have to do to maintain the server, and it gets to be a pain in the ass to deal with user #3829423432's stupid nickname

[radiant meadow]

I'm not sure anyone on the mod team would agree to this.

[safe oasis]

now that you phrase it that way, yeah it's understandable, i'll go ahead and delete it then

[dapper coral]

glad we could reach a conclusion

[safe oasis]

[crude geode]

enter too early

[dapper coral]

woop

[cobalt pewter]

making it

[fossil finch]

Ah, yes

Making it

[tawny garden]

making it edited

[crude geode]

This is why I usually make suggs in a doc

byech

[warm scarab]

@crude geode this sugg is very good tbh, but i think changing the last line a bit to something like "make fishing rely more on the combination of fishing gear instead of increasing fishing power mindlessly to increase the odds of getting what you want" would be better

there

[crude geode]

ehhhh don't really like that tbh

[warm scarab]

i mean

zerg in the dungeon is better

[crude geode]

I meant your suggestion for the final line

[safe oasis]

(that wasn't his sugg)

[crude geode]

^

[crude geode]

this is what I was responding to initially with this

[safe oasis]

oh you meant that part

nvm then

[crude geode]

mhm

[warm scarab]

ah ok

[safe oasis]

need proper reasoning and formatting @warm patio

[ashen warren]

Ye that's not a suggestion

[hollow shell]

^ ^^

It is a guaranteed drop from Calamitas, worthy of note

[earnest cape]

good sugg

[hollow shell]

(I'll delete, they can write a new real one if they want)

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

also, aren't Mothrons easy to defeat

[hollow shell]

Eh they can be annoying

[earnest cape]

do note eyezors exist

and vampires

[hollow shell]

(would be clearer if you had the full name in the title)

[tawny garden]

yeah

I imagine that there are quite a few people who just read the title

[earnest cape]

@warm scarab ^^

[warm scarab]

[tawny garden]

(I assumed that you would read this channel )

[golden narwhal]

Also, not a problem with the sugg, but the last phrase in () could go for the sake of shorter sugg

[earnest cape]

nah I just pinged cause they were offline

also it's "ammo reservation"

Also isn't tactical plague engine already getting a chance to not use ammo next update?

yeah

i know it's not the thing the sugg's asking for but i just want to point this out

[golden narwhal]

It solves the sugg's problem, so :shrug

[earnest cape]

yea

[crude geode]

Considering that minion slots are already getting reduced next update, and the ammo reservation being added, I feel like this is unnecessary.

[earnest cape]

indeed

[tawny garden]

I'm pretty sure that there are mods that do that

[crude geode]

evil b gone

[safe oasis]

the last part is too specific

also why does calamity need to solve this problem and not like any other mod

[earnest cape]

that last point

but what would the actual use of evil biomes be if you need to use auric

you've already gone to endgame

where you're more likely than not gotten every material from all the biomes

there's just abolutely no point whatsoever locking an upgrade THAT late in progression

[crude geode]

@merry grove consider looking for other mods first before suggesting

[cobalt pewter]

Solutions mod

Well that mod doesn't really add a clentaminator upgrade

But it does have accessories that change how clentaminator functions

Like single shot (as opposed to the base's 5 per use), and shotgun

Also

[earnest cape]

fargo mutant also has renewals

[cobalt pewter]

A similar sugg was rejected

[earnest cape]

byeah

[tawny garden]

mm

[warm patio]

terra blade or terra edge?

whats the difference?

[hollow shell]

Edge has Ichor and lifesteal, Blade has more raw damage
iirc

[warm patio]

but is the lifesteal reliable/??

[cobalt pewter]

Lifesteal is on true melee

So yeah

[warm patio]

fuck this

[cobalt pewter]

It's fairly reliable

[warm patio]

terra blade it is

[cobalt pewter]

What's up with the q anyways

[distant gyro]

yeah

copying my thing for details
Terra Blade

• More projectile damage
  +/- Slower projectile firing rate but scales with melee speed

• Less true melee damage and no healing
• Lack of ichor can be filled with flasks

Terra Edge

• LESS projectile damage
  -/+ Doubled projectile firing rate but DOESN'T scale with melee speed

• More true melee damage and heals
• Can stack ichor and cursed inferno

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe ≈ for the projectile points instead of +/-

Since it's just up to preference in terms of the projectiles

[warm patio]

yeah i went for blade

i care about projectilesd

but the thing is

why bother terra blade for damage if tyrant sword exists

like

[fossil finch]

the healing is kinda op

truememe

[tawny garden]

was this in any way related to suggestions?

[cobalt pewter]

I asked that earlier

[tawny garden]

but nobody came answered

[fossil finch]

aren't the weapons already kinda usable?

[eternal escarp]

anyways

[urban bough]

Ok

Srry

[ashen warren]

Say suggestions without ggestion

[tawny garden]

we usually do call them "sugg"

[ashen warren]

Sus

[tawny garden]

go away

[ashen warren]

Why

[warm patio]

bruh

[lilac inlet]

Hi

[ancient mirage]

you need a title

[tawny garden]

@tranquil phoenix that's a don't

read the doc in the pins

[tranquil phoenix]

Oh

Will do

[tawny garden]

you can't suggest scaling

[tranquil phoenix]

Good to know

Guess it’s just too requested and they’re done with it

That’s alright

[tawny garden]

nah, not really that

They’re problematic to make and especially to balance, and are unlikely to be implemented, especially if they’re complex. Legendary weapons lost their scaling in order to increase playthrough variety, so players don't use the same weapons throughout the entire game, on top of balancing reasons.

[tranquil phoenix]

Did you read my suggestion

I mean I know that the variety increase is necessary

That’s kinda the point of my suggestion

I’m not gonna leave it cause I get that they don’t want to do it

But I kinda did cover that

Making the weapons viable twice in a playthrough

Once after the first boss and once after the second

But just not the whole playthrough

[tawny garden]

ah, that's fair

[tranquil phoenix]

To make them worth it but not overpower I guess

[tawny garden]

though that is still difficult to balance

[tranquil phoenix]

But the code is hard cause you have to include reset variables and the way the game tests for boss defeats is strange and tricky

Yeah

[whole sedge]

Yeah that's the main problem with scaling is it's difficult to balance regardless of how it's really done because of it just being scaling

[tawny garden]

and ye, they don't want it

except the Halibut Cannon, but that's a meme

[sleek turret]

And The Community.

[tawny garden]

not a weapon

[sleek turret]

Ah.

[tawny garden]

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message
“Demonshade’s demon cannot be disabled” get cosmic plushie

[sand umbra]

yee

plushie is better than demon anyway

(it can be dyed)

[grim tusk]

until it randomly decides to “Fuck you lmao” and stabs you to death

[sand umbra]

if you don't have some kind of light pet by the time you get Plushie you've done something wrong

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message

Maybe some examples could be nice otherwise 100% agree

[safe oasis]

no reasoning @faint canopy

[tawny garden]

"it's interesting"

specific enemy too

[faint canopy]

aight, fine

[wooden wedge]

you do need a better reasoning other than you want them added

[faint canopy]

i said they make the space biome a little more interesting

[wooden wedge]

in what way?

[faint canopy]

they are like minibosses (space has none), they have cool sprites

[fossil finch]

-specific
-Why (general)
-Why calamity
-Consolaria does it already

[sleek turret]

^

that

[tawny garden]

ah yeah

Consolaria is a thing

[fossil finch]

and consolaria is like
Exactly for this sole porpoise

[faint canopy]

i have no idea what that is

[sleek turret]

ugh

[tawny garden]

a mod

[fossil finch]

a mod

[safe oasis]

ported console features

it’s literally in the name

[tawny garden]

old-gen console

[faint canopy]

oh

because i was gonna say console is in 1.3

at least the 2014 ones\

[fossil finch]

funny enough, these wyverns were never actually in the game

[tawny garden]

old-gen is still 1.2.4.1

ye lol

[faint canopy]

oh nice

[sleek turret]

Consolaria is a mod that adds new and old generation consoles and mobile content that was deleted from the game. It also revamps these features to have an actual purpose in the game such as new effects to old-gen console armors.

[hot zephyr]

No minibosses? Poor Cloud Elemental....

[sinful violet]

Incredible

[ashen finch]

Poor Wyvern

nobody recognizes it as the early hardmode space miniboss that he is

[earnest cape]

☑️ ?

(the latest sugg in posting)

[warm scarab]

what

will dryad do that next update?

[earnest cape]

☑️ is for frequently suggested suggestions

✅ is for verified suggs that's been sent to the dev server aka reached the star req

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message

[earnest cape]

👍 means devs likes your ideas now you're deeper into verifying hell

[tawny garden]

(nothing wrong with the sugg)

[earnest cape]

4 months old sugg :thinkies

[tawny garden]

made by a guy who hated me iirc

[earnest cape]

nice

[safe oasis]

@split python reasoning?

[earnest cape]

@split python no future suggs

[crude geode]

Also is too specific

[fossil finch]

No reasoning, future content, sis

[split python]

Ah

[crude geode]

B i n g o

[safe oasis]

we hit cal sugg bingo

[earnest cape]

i suggest deyeeting the sugg

[buoyant idol]

Sis

[earnest cape]

thank

[buoyant idol]

Wow that worked out

[earnest cape]

once tmod 1.4 comes out you can probably suggest that again, but with proper reasoning

[split python]

Great

[earnest cape]

and less specific as per suggestion rules

[split python]

I was thinking of something more broad, but it's a doozy

and it could shake things up too much

[split python]

My original idea was to have a crafting system where you could fuse 2 weapons together, for example you could fuse a waterbolt with a aqua scepter, but the trick is the way you fuse them matters, in my example whenever the waterbolt would bounce off a wall, it could shoot an aqua scepter blast as well and perhaps the other way around would be the aqua sceptre would shoot waterbolts as it traveled. The thing about the crafting is that you would need a certain item to 'fuel' the fusion of these weapons, maybe from a boss or crafted from boss materials of that point in the game. It would be progression based so the same 'tier' of weapons were compatible as well as being the same type of weapon (Melee, Magic, Ranged, Summon) from the vanilla game as this is complicated enough without taking into account Calamity bosses. It's mainly so that during the Pre-Moonlord part of the game vanilla weapons can still be useful even if the player has gotten a weapon from the mod that is better.

But that could be a mod in itself

[hot zephyr]

That'd probably only work as a mod in itself.

[split python]

I have 0 modding experience... 😅

[hot zephyr]

It's the dual wielding mod with extra steps

[split python]

Almost, but that mod is kinda broken with some weapons

Yeah, I'll keep the idea in the back of my mind but Calamity has enough on it's plate

[hollow shell]

@lapis tapir Bad

[cobalt pewter]

Delete dababy

Good

[lapis tapir]

You know am just like jesus

They hated jesus because he was right

[hollow shell]

Don't start

[lapis tapir]

I will turn you into a convertible

[lapis tapir]

Hey man why no dababy

[hollow shell]

(I will warn you if you continue)

[lapis tapir]

Continue what

[hollow shell]

Meme-ing, about dababy

[ashen warren]

Add dababy

[hollow shell]

(and no, saying "But I'm being serious" doesn't count)

[lapis tapir]

What about lil pump

[hollow shell]

Okay you are warned

[lapis tapir]

What

[ashen warren]

speedrun

[lapis tapir]

You will be smited by dababys wrath you bastard

[hollow shell]

Okay.

[lapis tapir]

Great

So you adding him or not

[hollow shell]

Nah

[ashen warren]

yea are you?

[lapis tapir]

Awwwww

[potent ferry]

this man do be speedrunning getting banned

[ashen warren]

indeed

[lapis tapir]

That's a plan

[hollow shell]

There are faster ways to go about that

[lapis tapir]

Like what

I need to shave minutes off my time

[hollow shell]

If you need to ask, that means you still have a shred of dignity, which is good.

Probably should stop talking about this in #suggestions-discussion, it's quite off topic

[lapis tapir]

Then can we move to general

[hollow shell]

Sure

[lapis tapir]

Ok

[dapper coral]

@autumn talon please don't meme in the sugg channels

[autumn talon]

Why not

[dapper coral]

because it's against the rules. if you do it again you'll be warned.

[autumn talon]

Can I suggest to change the rules

[dapper coral]

not that one

[autumn talon]

Why not

[autumn talon]

Is this like the infinite wishes thing

[dapper coral]

no. we will not be changing that rule, ever.

[autumn talon]

I suggest to be able to suggest to change the rules

[dapper coral]

@ashen warren there will never be a meme channel or anything of the sort here anymore

[ashen warren]

why

[autumn talon]

Man you really hate fun don't you

[dapper coral]

because we tried it before, and it went horribly

[autumn talon]

Try again

[ashen warren]

try it again

[dapper coral]

no

[autumn talon]

Just like communist

[ashen warren]

yes

[dapper coral]

both of you, stop, or you'll be punished

[autumn talon]

It worked twice

Punished by what

The pit goblin?

[dapper coral]

cool, have a warn

[autumn talon]

What about pit goblin

[dapper coral]

if you continue you will be muted

[autumn talon]

Only 2 warning?

[dapper coral]

yes
this is your last one

@autumn talon muted

[crude geode]

le repost time

[dire loom]

@crude geode its in #suggestions-voting

[crude geode]

been more than a week as well

[dapper coral]

damn, almost made it

[dire loom]

the voting system kinda sucks

nobody wants to go all the way up

nobody new is gonna scroll through all the suggestions

meaning the only good chance a suggestion has to go through is to be posted both when lots of people are active and when other ones arent being posted

[crude geode]

that's why reposting exists. and why some suggestors like me care so much about timing/suggestion space.

[grim tusk]

Yea star count needs to be reduced by at least 20

[crude geode]

Not really tbh, we're actually perfect in our suggestion delivery last time we checked. 22.5% or so, which is right in the middle of desired amount, 20-25%.

[grim tusk]

1/5 chance is low

[dapper coral]

it's also how it's supposed to be

[grim tusk]

Yea i imagine having the req be 150 would be terror and sent suggs channel flooded

[cobalt pewter]

Actually when was the last

Star reassessment

[grim tusk]

Long ago

[dapper coral]

december?

[grim tusk]

Around october i think

[dapper coral]

oh, december was when the anti-feedza rule was implemented

so yes it was just before that then

[grim tusk]

Late october-early November i think

[crude geode]

no, it was more recent iirc

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell when do you think another check for stars should be done?

[crude geode]

mainly bc we wanted a re-evaluation

[cobalt pewter]

Wtf anti-me

[dapper coral]

i mean

[crude geode]

#suggestions-discussion message

[dapper coral]

am i wrong

[crude geode]

January.

[dapper coral]

aha

[cobalt pewter]

Yeaaaaah nah

[dapper coral]

philo's been doing his monthly sugg updates or whatever too

time to check his stats

[crude geode]

would it be a good idea to pin something like that, that philo can edit monthly for info?

[dapper coral]

#suggestions-discussion message

[heady storm]

Would it be necessary.

[dapper coral]

eh, i think having them the way they are now is okay
plus it then preserves all the other months too, so we can look back on progress

[hollow shell]

I could do another funny tallying tomorrow, sure
If the delivery rate is horrible then we can lower the req
But if it's like 15%-19% then I'd attribute that more to a temporary star depression and postpone a lowering for if the same trend is found in another later tally

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

You could also attribute it to lack of updates giving people new ideas/interest.

[tawny garden]

Merk kicked my alt

[cobalt pewter]

make another alt

[dapper coral]

did you not make those things on your main account

[tawny garden]

Yeah

[crude geode]

Isn't Gladiator like incredibly tanky?

[warm scarab]

really

8 more defense than vanilla

the main problem is obsidian armor

[cobalt pewter]

Gladiator is changed to have kb immunity in 1.4.1

[warm scarab]

yes

[tawny garden]

I thought the gladiator armor pieces' drop chance was increased...

[warm scarab]

rly

doesnt' feel like that for me

6.67%...

that's

still very low

defilled doesn't affect it ...?

[crude geode]

This is less a rework and more a buff tbfh.

[warm scarab]

i wanted to say change obsidian armor to a mining focused armor

[crude geode]

that's

just the vanilla ore armors.

[warm scarab]

no

obsidian armor is made out of obsidian

when as an armor set, it doesn't give protection to fire related enemies

but obsidian rose/skull/skin potion

give fire/lava/burning block protection

it just doesn't make much sense

[crude geode]

neither does hellstone. materials don't always correlate to armor effects. For example, Chlorophyte has nothing to do with healing despite relating to plants and growth.

also, gladiator armor has 15 defense in total, which is higher than any other pre-boss rogue armor. Higher than victide, wulfurm, and snow ruffian.

[dry latch]

would obsidian even stay rogue

[crude geode]

probably not, considering sulphurous armor and the omni-class armors exist.

[cobalt pewter]

Having Gladiator armor raise javelin damage and use time as set bonus would be kinda epic imo

Currently cal gladiator doesn't have much set bonuses aside max stealth

[crude geode]

This is a very big suggestion tbh in terms of text. A lot of it could be cut down for brevity, including describing Eskimo armor’s effect.

[dapper coral]

tbh it could be two different suggs

because rn you're tryna address two armors with very different suggested changes

so they don't really fit in the same sugg

[tawny garden]

@warm scarab ^

[cobalt pewter]

True

[warm scarab]

uhh

how do i seperate them

[tawny garden]

2 suggs

[warm scarab]

i mean

wait nvm

[tawny garden]

Untangle the mess

[cobalt pewter]

I'll humbly take the glad armor sugg

[tawny garden]

Like you would with headphones

[cobalt pewter]

Have something about it in mind

[earnest cape]

(also I recommend breaking your suggestion to parts so it's not just one giant wall of text)

[crude geode]

^^^^

[earnest cape]

(so it's more pleasant to the reader)

[cobalt pewter]

A bit offtopic, but these things are cursed. How does a pair of earphones can be transformed into jumbled mess in your pocket from its clean, untangled state?

Like holy shit

[earnest cape]

Yes.

[crude geode]

Also I’m pretty sure everyone and their grandma makes obsidian armor before nightmare/deathbringer. Even is recommended pre-boss

[cobalt pewter]

Bomb momentum

[hollow shell]

Wait

[crude geode]

Not really abusing bombs so much as using what’s avaliable.

[hollow shell]

Hold the phone

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah I don't see the point in gating obsidian mining to nightmare / deathbringer

[hollow shell]

Boi has three suggestions in #suggestions-posting right now

[cobalt pewter]

Wait

Bruh

[hollow shell]

Soon to be 4

[crude geode]

[dapper coral]

grr

[cobalt pewter]

mfw

[crude geode]

Feedzuh moment

[cobalt pewter]

Shut up

:(

[hollow shell]

(This issue will be fixed in 10 minutes when his oldest one gets transferred
but that does mean he's gonna have to wait on the gladiator armor one)

[warm scarab]

bruh

[golden narwhal]

(First sugg can be yeeted since it's guaranteed iirc?)

[cobalt pewter]

I think my rule of thumb is that

[warm scarab]

no

[hollow shell]

It is not guaranteed no

[warm scarab]

my sugg

is different from what is going to be implemented

[hollow shell]

We do have a plan for TPE but it isn't what he sugg'd

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

If you have 2 suggs in posting, you can't put anymore until there are none of your suggs in posting

[warm scarab]

[golden narwhal]

Aight

[hollow shell]

Well that's not even a rule of thumb

[cobalt pewter]

That should count as 24 hours for both of them

[warm scarab]

i don't watch the count

[hollow shell]

That's a rule

[warm scarab]

bruh moment

[cobalt pewter]

The limit implies that you can have up to 2 suggs in posting yes?

[warm scarab]

how do i save the glad armor sugg

i don't want to delete it

[cobalt pewter]

In that case, I can easily add one more if one is sent

[hollow shell]

Yeah, two max at a time

[crude geode]

Copy and paste into a google doc

[warm scarab]

.

[hollow shell]

Oh you wait until everything is cleared out

[cobalt pewter]

And that technically wouldn't even be twice a da-

[hollow shell]

I see

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah that's what I meant

😔

[hollow shell]

That's good yeah

So uh

[warm scarab]

yeet

[hollow shell]

Aight

cool

[warm scarab]

lmao

[hollow shell]

Gladiator's gonna have to wait like 18 hours to get its time in the sun

[crude geode]

if you don’t copy and then paste the obsidian armor at the proper time, I might strangle you tbfh

Taking up my precious two hours in voting

[cobalt pewter]

well excuuuuuuuuuuse me as I'll put a glad armor rework myself

[crude geode]

Bot is broken.

[tawny garden]

Boi should do less suggs in general

[tawny garden]

Nah it might be stuck for a bit

Same thing happened to me last time I made a sugg

[cobalt pewter]

See

[tawny garden]

Ye

[crude geode]

Ah I see

[earnest cape]

oh destroyerboi what i meant when I said seperating the sugg into parts was adding line breaks

like this

[warm scarab]

...

[earnest cape]

it's clearer than just adding -

[warm scarab]

nvm i guess

[earnest cape]

it's just my personal opinion but other people might think otherwise

[warm scarab]

bruh

i have to

rewrite the thing

ok i guess

[earnest cape]

?

[crude geode]

Rewriting a sugg =/= adding line breaks

[earnest cape]

indeed

[crude geode]

Tbh I would adjust the line about Eskimo armor. The suggestion is already long af, and people can always just go and look at the wiki if they need it. Making it say something like "increases damage of ice weapons and gives several cold immunities" instead of being excessively descriptive would be better.

gets the point across without copy pasting the set bonus

[earnest cape]

Basically give a short summary of it

[crude geode]

@warm scarab

[warm scarab]

i clicked wrong

and my edit is gone

now i have to do it again

[crude geode]

Editing message directly moment

[warm scarab]

since feed god his sugg

[cobalt pewter]

mementum

😔

[warm scarab]

imma remove the glad armor part from my sugg

done

[crude geode]

tbh I greatly dislike the idea of turning obsidian armor into a mining armor. the vanilla ore armors already give insanely high mining speed boosts, so if you wanna make another mining armor you have to make it compete with that. Additionally, if Calamity thought of obsidian being obtainable pre-boss as abuse, it would have been fixed long before now.

But obsidian armor is literally advertised pre-boss in the class setups page.

[cobalt pewter]

Hell, even vanilla phm ore armors are getting reworks

Head: +6% damage
Chest: +5% DR
Legs: +12% movement speed
Set: All enemies have a 4% chance to drop 1 gold. All bosses killed drop 3 gold.
You gain 1% crit for every 5 gold coins in your inventory, capped at 10%.
Having 1 or more platinum also suffices to keep this effect at max power.```

(this is what ozz teased a while back in drae talk)

[crude geode]

wtf that's busted

10% crit pre-hm? absurd.

byech.

[crude geode]

@warm scarab See this.

[cobalt pewter]

Capitalism, son

[shrewd furnace]

How does a suggestion to make the meteor armors set bonus to effect all magic guns instead of just the space gun sound?

[muted osprey]

no

too op

also definition of magic gun is very flexible

[shrewd furnace]

50% less mana usage on magic guns doesnt sound op

[swift wharf]

not really, there's a wiki page about it

[muted osprey]

huh

[swift wharf]

but 50% reduced mana cost is pretty op

[tawny garden]

The Wiki page is using vague definitions

[swift wharf]

I mean

the problem is mainly the mana cost

[tawny garden]

There's no actual definition in souos

[shrewd furnace]

its just that meteor armor is only used with the space gun and that combo isnt even good in calamity

[cobalt pewter]

I forgot if there's a defined tag for magic guns

There's a wiki page for that

But idk ingame

[tawny garden]

Nope

[muted osprey]

imagine hadopalgeic echo with 50% reduced mana cost

[eternal escarp]

prty sure there isnt an ingame tag for magic guns

[tawny garden]

The definition of Magic Gun is pretty much "It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck"

[eternal escarp]

byeah, 50% reduction on magic guns sounds pretty strong

[tawny garden]

Mhm

[swift wharf]

yeah the wiki is ech

[shrewd furnace]

that number could be redused

[swift wharf]

a fish is a magic gun

[shrewd furnace]

the 50%

[eternal escarp]

i mean, even if

whats the purpose of adding that?

because itd be cool?

[shrewd furnace]

to make meteor armor more that just space gun funny

[eternal escarp]

eh

who even uses meteor armor past like, skeletron

[shrewd furnace]

no one

[eternal escarp]

exactly

[crude geode]

Vanilla players

[eternal escarp]

the set bonus changing wouldnt matter anyways

[shrewd furnace]

thats why im thinking of suggesting a change

[eternal escarp]

since most people dont use meteor armor for long

[swift wharf]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

itd only affect like, 3 more weapons max

and 2 are prolly not used (bee gun)

[tawny garden]

Meteor Armor is kinda good in vanilla

But

This is not vanilla

[crude geode]

It'll be a bit better in 1.4 when the post-evil boss restriction can justify buffing it tbh

[tawny garden]

[shrewd furnace]

remind me to consider the suggestion again once 1.4 tmod releases

[eternal escarp]

i still think the whole idea is just not needed

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah good luck remembering that for an eternity

[tawny garden]

[muted osprey]

also I'm calling out the people who want wulfrum and victide set bonus damage increase to become flat damage

cos belladonna exists

[eternal escarp]

minishark, belladonna
theres specific reasons

[robust lava]

A lot of call outs were made at the time

[eternal escarp]

mhm

[muted osprey]

k

[eternal escarp]

flat damage increase as a whole is kinda

pre-boss wise that is

[crude geode]

ah yes, a few outlier weapons that are already annoying balance wise with things like Shark Tooth Necklace should prevent us from making the two most basic armors actually buff like 75% of weapons.

[tawny garden]

Flat damage increase at earlygame isn't a bad idea

[eternal escarp]

i mean, true

[tawny garden]

Cuz percentages don't do shit

[cobalt pewter]

Make Mana Sickness' penalty multiplicative and rebalance the effect if needed.

With how Mana Sickness works as an additive cut (reducing total damage bonuses), having them in early game is way more punishing (due to the lack of magic damage bonuses) compared to late game, where damage bonuses are brimming for mages. Having Mana Sickness be multiplicative (directly cutting current damage) would make the debuff consistently punishing throughout the game, and to keep mages from being overly broken later in the game.

Thoughts?

[shrewd furnace]

sounds good

i didnt even know it wasnt multiplicative

[tawny garden]

wtf Feedza

Not posting straight into #suggestions-posting

[crude geode]

can't believe feedzuh is nerfing mana sickness. how will I spam yharim's crystal now????

[tawny garden]

Mana Flower

Post it into the proper channel mate

[cobalt pewter]

I was just asking if anything I said is incorrect

Or maybe if there can be improvements

There, now it's in posting

[warm scarab]

first, vanilla ore armors does not give heat protection

and that's why i said obsidian armor should be mining armor

because heat protection

allows you to mine safely in hell

[crude geode]

Obsidian Skin kinda exists

[warm scarab]

yes

and

[crude geode]

iirc doesn't it give you heat protection?

[warm scarab]

yes it does

wait

lemmi check what obsidian skin potion does

[crude geode]

so why bother with an armor when you can just use an obsidian skin potion

[cobalt pewter]

It gives heat protection

Obsidian needs to do more than that

Armor*

[crude geode]

Obsidian Skin also lets you go into the lava and mine there, without threat of any mobs getting to you outside the stray fireball from Imps

so reduced damage from fire mobs doesn't help either

[serene fox]

@cobalt pewter are you sure mana sickness isn't already multiplicative

[cobalt pewter]

Hence why I'm asking beforehand

[serene fox]

well

it is fyi

[cobalt pewter]

Ah rip

[shrewd furnace]

I just noticed it says it in the wiki page

[safe oasis]

@mint steppe specific items arent allowed as they likely will never get implemented, also looks like a joke sugg

[pine star]

@mint steppe No joke suggestions

[tawny garden]

@zenith hazel kill

[zenith hazel]

@mint steppe yeah don't post meme suggestions, thanks

[mint steppe]

K

BRUH

[earnest cape]

read pins too btw

[tawny garden]

agergo has been told to read pins a long time ago

Like literally years ago

[ashen warren]

How many years ago?

[tawny garden]

oh huh, only 1.5 years ago

thought it was even earlier than that

[sand umbra]

it already is

[tawny garden]

I for some reason thought it was additive

even though at the same time I knew that it's percentage-based

[sand umbra]

not too sure how that happened, because there are like 4 multiplicative effects in the entire base game

and 3 of them are the Shroomite hats

[tawny garden]

russian bureaucracy defeated my brain

and I couldn't think

[sand umbra]

bruh moment

anywho that's all I came here to clarify (and apparently someone already pointed this out which I didn't realize beforehand so now I look stupid in front of like 80k+ people)

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

4?

Isn't like, Archery Potion

A thing

[sand umbra]

oh, my bad

5

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

Endurance

[sand umbra]

endurance isn't

I know this for a fact

but Archery is multiplicative AFTER multiplicative

[tawny garden]

ahh

[sand umbra]

because it wouldn't be broken enough if it just boosted arrow damage the same way the Shroomite hat for arrows does

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

Archery is an outlier

byeah

[eternal escarp]

isnt this a Don't?

[tawny garden]

No

[pine star]

@regal prism Give reasoning for why more sentries should be added

[cobalt pewter]

Aren't sentries subclass?

[tawny garden]

God, how many times do I have to repeat myself

[eternal escarp]

i guess once more

[tawny garden]

That post-ML is an entire section of the game

And not just "one point in progression"

And that it's a section of the game which only has calamity stuff in it

[analog talon]

ML drops

[tawny garden]

Shut

mostly*

[analog talon]

[eternal escarp]

yeah ig thats fair

[heady storm]

How many times has this been suggested now.

[languid quartz]

a few

[heady storm]

Oki.

[grim tusk]

Yes

[wooden quartz]

the sentry one?

[grim tusk]

Indeed

[sand umbra]

at least once or twice, I think

[heady storm]

Is there anything wrong with it this time too.

[tawny garden]

no

It's a bit smol

But that's about it

They're saying that it's underrepresented

[gray nebula]

spreading biomes :) no

[dire loom]

astral infection spreading just makes it more annoying

you already have 2 to deal with

[unreal viper]

remove evil biome spreading and make astral spread

[fossil finch]

no reasoning, and tf is it asking for?

[crude geode]

@keen zodiac ^

[zenith hazel]

@tight fractal please add a reason to your suggestion

[fossil finch]

and a explanation to what you are asking mayhaps

[keen zodiac]

maybe it would only spread in rev+ or something idk

[fossil finch]

everyone plays on rev+

how would that change anything

[zenith hazel]

we're never going to spread astral

[crude geode]

A spreading biome is still more annoying. Gameplay > Lore

[fossil finch]

also
spreading astral was already a thing

why do you think it was removed

[zenith hazel]

even if the suggestion doesn't technically break any rules, we are not going to make it spread regardless of how many stars it gets

[fossil finch]

just add it as a don't

@winged perchverguy

ok fuck discord

[cyan lagoon]

it may sound sensible on paper

but turns out that gameplay features that were recieved as mixed when they were practiced years ago are greeted coldly now

[languid quartz]

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Add astral infection spreading as a don’t please? :)

[dire loom]

infectious biomes suck

corruption had a cool gimmick but hallow was overkill

adding more would be a bad idea

[cyan lagoon]

hallow spreading isn't as 'infamous' as evil biomes though

and for good reason

[keen zodiac]

forgot abt the hallow

[cyan lagoon]

mostly because hallow can't convert mud

[tawny garden]

spreading in general, maybe

[split grove]

@tight fractal that isn't really necessary as those messages appear in chat, if you need more time when reading them you can just open up chat

[tight fractal]

I didnt know that

thanks

[hollow shell]

I mean, we could, yeah

[warm scarab]

@keen zodiac this sugg is kill

yeet it

[warm scarab]

how about i do this
"make astral biome spread slowly until either astral bosses if defeated"

by slowly i mean

3 times slower than corruption/crimson

and hallowed

[hot zephyr]

It's not going to spread

[warm scarab]

...

do you know how fast crimson/corruption spread

in hardmode

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/754173511584710706/806904003786833950/echdemon.gif

[ashen warren]

There’s a reason why people play with spread off

[hollow shell]

Fab explicitly did not want Astral to spread ever

I don't know if a super slow spread would be okay but probably not

[hot zephyr]

It'll either be fast enough to be annoying or slow enough to be irrelevant pretty much

[oak tapir]

you can turn spread off????

[sleek turret]

with other mods

Begone! Evil mod.

[sick bane]

I always forget about begone evil

[maiden plover]

I dont think it should because you already have to worry about the corruption and crimson and hollow

[oak tapir]

I've been looking for a mod that disables spread for ages, thank you

[warm scarab]

nice

[fossil finch]

This may be happening already considering malice and enraged boss drops kinda mayhaps

[earnest cape]

tbf with the new malice mode next update(which is malice is you take bosses' candies and pull a middle finger to their face then you realized you're fucked when they pull up a rocket launcher pointed straight at you) you could probably see clearly if x boss is enraged or not

[warm scarab]

no

[earnest cape]

doesn't mean the sugg is invalid just something I'd like to mention

[warm scarab]

he mean

something like the debuff UI

that tells you if a boss is enraged

i'd like to see it happen tbh

[ashen warren]

yeah

like just a red exclamation mark on the screen or anything like that

[earnest cape]

@maiden plover what do you mean by "go one after another" you mean they instantly activate blizzrd when using sandstorm etc?

that would cause a lot of problems for people just trying to use it normally

[maiden plover]

Kind of like when you reach the peak of you jump is activates the next jump it might be cool if its toggleable by making is visable or not because for things like the heart of the elements this is used but I dont think it's used enough

[hollow shell]

Your sugg title could match what you're actually suggesting a bit better

"go one after another" is hard to interpret as "activate automatically while holding the jump button"

[maiden plover]

Ok

[hollow shell]

This is a bit better

[earnest cape]

"because it's cool" is not a valid reason.

read the "don'ts" doc

@hasty wren

[hollow shell]

It's kind of a fair reason in this case because, it's vanity
But a more substantial reason would be appreciated

[earnest cape]

yeah fair enough ig

[warm scarab]

@hasty wren i made some changes that make your sugg valid

The wings from snow ruffian armor set(set bonus) is a part of the armor set, while it is shown when the player wears the set in armor slot and hold spacebar while airborne, however the wings are not shown when the armor is put in vanity slot, which is disappointing and confuses players. Either make a seperate vanity item for said wings or make them show if you wear snow ruffian armor in vanity will fix this.```

try something like this next time

[warm scarab]

because this

[earnest cape]

.

[hollow shell]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I don't think rewriting someone's sugg outright is a good idea, generally

[earnest cape]

indeed ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

But I guess that's a better reason

[warm scarab]

no i just changed it into a better reason

and stated clearly why this sugg exist

how about this sugg

[hollow shell]

You rewrote everything except the title sentence, I think that qualifies as rewriting the sugg outright
(you even prefaced it with "I made some changes")

[warm scarab]

his reasoning is just

not enough

[hollow shell]

Indeed but give him advice instead

[warm scarab]

ok i guess

[hollow shell]

w/e it doesn't matter much

[warm scarab]

[hollow shell]

This sugg is okay

[safe oasis]

(you even prefaced it with "I made some changes")
so i did a little mining off camera

[warm scarab]

hmm

[warm scarab]

accurate

honestly can you make an accessory have both boots and wings sprite

[hollow shell]

You could mention that all the vanilla boots, and even Angel Treads, have feet sprites

[warm scarab]

yes

[hollow shell]

Wait

[warm scarab]

i think multiple sprite is possible

[hollow shell]

Seraph already has feet sprites

[warm scarab]

what

[hollow shell]

It's just Elysian and Celestial that don't

[warm scarab]

oh right

[safe oasis]

also minor thing but there are quite a few suggestions posted not too long after the previous. lowers the chance of them getting stars

better to wait

[warm scarab]

wdym

i can post the sugg here

and i can delete and repost later

if i want it to be sent later

[warm scarab]

not a bad sugg

remember

wulfrum enemies used to not spawn in hardmode

so this can be an alt solution to inventory clutter

without removing the accessories

[safe oasis]

what if you wanna make prismalline but forgot to make crystalline in prehm

which needs wulfrum knives

[crude geode]

^
@shell grotto

[warm scarab]

@safe oasis can you read

[safe oasis]

how does that address what i said

[shell grotto]

because the items will still exist

just be harder to get

so it reduces inventory clutter

[safe oasis]

them being harder to get doesnt really solve anything other than just cause more problems

only need 1 scrap to take up a whole slot

[shell grotto]

typically yes

but again it's why my sugg deals with chance, I can add one thing real quick as a compensation?

like sugg it drops more when it does drop?

[safe oasis]

i mean i guess that works yeah

[crude geode]

There’s no way of pleasing everyone.

Get auto trash if you dislike it.

[shell grotto]

idk, I just wont BC usually you'll have enough by then, like Pre-hm you fight wulfrum enemies loads

[shell grotto]

beyond true but we can still suggest stuff

[hot zephyr]

But what if....

AutoTrash

[muted osprey]

guh

[earnest cape]

@severe comet no boss suggestions, have proper reasoning and read the "don'ts" doc pinned

[muted osprey]

thank you mis

[dapper coral]

it is gone

[earnest cape]

thank

[muted osprey]

cring joke suggestion gone

[dense ferry]

I genuinely tought the New Boss sugg went to #suggestions-voting

[tawny garden]

[muted osprey]

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell might need help with pinging the donor for this

[hollow shell]

oki

@empty geyser How do you feel about the latest suggestion?

in #suggestions-posting that is

[empty geyser]

Uh

Hm

Maybe increased attack speed?

Would that be too cracked?

[cobalt pewter]

Might be a bit

[muted osprey]

feedzuh on his way to post another stealth related suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

(also with 1.5 stealth, that might be a bit nerfing stealth dmg, but nothing truly significant)

[empty geyser]

Hmm

Also

[hollow shell]

Just wanna know whether or not you're fine with the sugg passing

[empty geyser]

It's been so long

I didn't realize the time reduction got nerfed

It was like 75% before

Lol

[hollow shell]

(I noticed, it's been a while since you messaged here)

[cobalt pewter]

Wait lemme recheck

[empty geyser]

I'm okay with it

[hollow shell]

👍 Thanks

[empty geyser]

Grade 11

Too busy

[hollow shell]

Understandable

[cobalt pewter]

Yea 15%

[empty geyser]

I'll get back into terraria next year maybe

[cobalt pewter]

Thanc

[empty geyser]

When did it get nerfed lol

[cobalt pewter]

Idk either

The only time I really used it was doing it with SS vs tired OD

[muted osprey]

how many suggestions have there been to make post ml events more interesting

[mighty knot]

probably a lot

which should say something

[empty geyser]

Sadge

[cobalt pewter]

[empty geyser]

[hollow shell]

We do have a "solution" to the event problem coming in the future
But this sugg is totally fine

[cobalt pewter]

Idk if Time Bolt was changed for 1.5

Especially since they're already pre Yharon in rebalance

[dapper coral]

the effects of time bolt seem not to have been changed

[empty geyser]

Does someone have a clip of time bolt

[dapper coral]

just some slight balance stuffs atm

[empty geyser]

I want to see it one more time

My child

I saw someone mentioning it shredding OD

[cobalt pewter]

Well, tired OD

It should shred in the balanced way, since tired OD is meant to be shredded

[tawny garden]

[tawny garden]

you use light mode? ew

[loud torrent]

Make Moon Lord not drop luminite. Make it luminite meteor crash to world to spawn luminite ore in the world but will destroy moon lord farming. needs some balance if it happens

meteors will generate luminite in sky instead of ground

[robust lava]

#changelogs message

[crude geode]

Moon Lord farming is always gonna be a thing, Bc weapons are needed for upgrades.

[tawny garden]

Moon lord will spawn Luminite planetoids ye

[eternal escarp]

@tribal trellis meme suggestions are frowned upon

and if it wasnt a meme, it still has no reason to why it should be a thing

[earnest cape]

time to

can trial mods delete messages?

[eternal escarp]

prty sure yes

and they can atleast mark them with ❗ prolly

[earnest cape]

alright @marble hazel oi come here

[marble hazel]

bokay

[earnest cape]

ah yes

[marble hazel]

oh my god

let me just get all the names

[earnest cape]

those 3 people like pain

[eternal escarp]

kekw

[marble hazel]

meme suggs are banned yes?

[earnest cape]

Yes

[eternal escarp]

and it doesnt have a reason anyways lol

[earnest cape]

messaging in posting that isn't a sugg is also bad

ye

[frail mantle]

also i think the dababy guy has done this exact thing before

[earnest cape]

they have ye

AH yes

[marble hazel]

@tribal trellis no meme suggestions please, thats not allowed here
@craggy spear @ionic crystal @stray cairn no non suggestion messages in #suggestions-posting thats not allowed my bros
this will serve as a verbal warn, as for you @craggy spear i'll have you warned since you've done the exact same thing before

oh my god

[stray cairn]

lmao

aight

[earnest cape]

oh well whatever they're punished now anyway

[cobalt pewter]

Tiki getting a buttload of jobs aye

[eternal escarp]

"TikiWiki has leveled up!"

[marble hazel]

aight lets not get too offtopic here

[sly forge]

Please get back on topic in here now, thanks.

[stray cairn]

there's more than one dababy mate

i think the one you mentioned was a new one

[ionic crystal]

Understood

[marble hazel]

i think i mentioned the right person

tank you for understanding 🤠

[ionic crystal]

👍

[marble hazel]

@serene turtle i'm gonna have to verbally warn you too bro because of the non suggestion message in #suggestions-posting ☹️

sorry for this long charade of events everyone 🙂

[earnest cape]

(don't do it again next time is what they mean)

[cloud wasp]

Rework or Replace Unnecessary Melee/Fighter AI Enemies in the Post-Moonlord Moons/Solar Eclipse

The post-moonlord buffed events are very grindy, and I don't think this is due to a lack of things to get, but rather the enemy variety. In the Solar Eclipse, for example, the only things that will be able to touch you with your post-moonlord mobility are Mothron, Eyezore, and sometimes Nailheads--everything else is constrained to the ground, and just act as damage sponges until you have to land, which isn't frequently. This applies in the same way to the other events, with normal enemies being almost useless despite heavily buffed stats.
The Tier 3 Acid Rain, an event designed for post-Moonlord, is a great example of how to do this well. All the enemies shoot projectiles in some way, creating a dynamic and naturally flowing bullet hell that's interesting to dodge through while killing minibosses with more specific patterns and enemies in breaks between.
If these enemies were reworked or replaced with enemies with better anti-aerial capabilities, it would make these events a lot less grindy and a lot more interesting and challenging. Even just a few slow projectiles or projectiles on death.

bro the nailheads always hit me wdym

80% of my post moonlord moons and solar eclipse are: Frost moon: ice queen,everrsdgf and santank, Pumpkin moon: pumpking and mourning wood solar eclipse: Eyezore,Mothron and nailheads

20%: other enemies

[robust lava]

Eyezors and Nailheads are the best snipers in the game. Except maybe for the Ice Golem

[cloud wasp]

yeah

ice oglem is like

golem is like aimbot

[molten quest]

so the snipers aren't the best snipers?

[crude geode]

No, they take five years to actually shoot you and will sometimes just plain shoot a wall.

[distant gyro]

the snipers are terrible snipers in execution

ironically

[tawny garden]

Nailheads are the best at hitting you because they spit out as many nails as there are in a house in under 0.1 of a second

[half gulch]

Y’all forgetting gastropods when they aggro to space and still shoot at you

[tawny garden]

True, true

[tawny garden]

angy sugg

[warm scarab]

[warm scarab]

yes

this is kil

[tawny garden]

@ashen warren explain why you'd want it to be reworked, and not just the drop rate to be adjusted or smth

[warm scarab]

no reasoning

^

[ashen warren]

i should of explained yhat but as it is it only acts as a minor upgrade to the flower boots when i find the same-tiered upgrade to the same item easier to get

[eternal escarp]

it feels like it is only used as an ingredient for the heart of the elements.
it technically is tbf

[ashen warren]

plus yhe 3% damage and tick speed is hardly enough at that point in the game when you can already inflict other much better debuffs

[warm scarab]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

and tbf it fits plantera more then PBG imo, no idea why plantera doesnt drop it from the get go

[warm scarab]

that's a good reason tbh

[warm scarab]

[tawny garden]

Not how it should be

[ashen warren]

even the debuff isnt plauge themed despite like the 3/4 plauge damaging debuffs

[safe oasis]

the first sentence can go

and it could be rephrased as a whole tbh

feels like a sugg made out of rage by someone in the middle of farming for HotE

[ashen warren]

i already got it in my current world :/ but its pretty awful

[fossil finch]

Hote material su

[ashen warren]

when was the last time you equipped it for a boss fight

even any invasion

[cobalt pewter]

HotE materials are just that: materials

[fossil finch]

Tbf not all accs need to be usable for bossfights

[cobalt pewter]

At least Ankh Shield materials at least have a niche, as situational as they are

HotE mats literally don't have anything worth as accs

[safe oasis]

when was the last time you used diving helmet for a boss fight
or flippers
or jellyfish necklace
or a lot of things

[fossil finch]

And that applies to all hote materials except chaos stone and air stone if you're lazy and won't bother with frogleg

[safe oasis]

not really a valid argument imo

[cobalt pewter]

I don't care about boss fights for these

But like

HotE mats literally don't have any applicable uses

[safe oasis]

bloom stone for herbs on grassless dirt

aero stone jump speed prehm

[fossil finch]

HotE matts when they

[safe oasis]

rare sand elemental for rare sand elemental

[cobalt pewter]

okay I might need to tunnel it down to chaos and cryo

Also when I referred HotE mats

I think of the stones

[safe oasis]

what if the stones and elementals were just combined

brimmy gets chaos effects and cloud gets aero effects etc.

[fossil finch]

Chaos is a good mage statstick
Cryo is a statstick
Tldr; hote being hote

[ashen warren]

it feels like they just needed a jungle item to be a jungle item

not even a cool one ;-;

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes, 3% extra damage

[ashen warren]

now my base has dye plants all over the place

[cobalt pewter]

Totally a workable acc

[ashen warren]

if we’re being honest not every calamity accessory is exactly balanced

[fossil finch]

Hote matts are either extremely underpowered or meh enough, but that's just not a problem with bloom stone only basically
The sugg itself, uh

[ashen warren]

it dosent hqve to be viable i just would wish it to have some kind of nieche or buff useful in some way to justify the time it takes to grind