suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

True

[crude geode]

When slime mount does not

[sand umbra]

and also if Aureus got any notable changes in Expert to justify it being what it is

[cobalt pewter]

The cooldown is real iffy

And the explosion is only flavor is anything

I would sugg another sabaton buff but like

Already 4 of them were suggested and none ever got delivered to dev

Might as well just bug ozz directly at this point

[pine star]

Where are those 4?

[crude geode]

Aureus should release shockwaves on jump in Expert

considering he already does hop around a shit ton

[pine star]

oh god

not like GPZ

[sand umbra]

well yes but actually no because Aureus' hoppin' is already beyond obnoxious, particularly at lower percentages where tryin' to move outta the way doesn't fuckin' matter

[crude geode]

why did draedon put pogo-stick AI into Aureus

[pine star]

So giving Aureus shockwaves would actually make it like GPZ?

because he knew everyone hated GPZ

[crude geode]

Maybe make the rapid fire hopping exclusive to expert mode so you have an excuse to make a boot related accessory his expert mode item

[sand umbra]

if the jump was used more sparingly and had actual consequence on the fight then yeah a shockwave/explosion on landing would make sense

but it's not like you can design virtually any of these bosses around pre-existing arenas without throwing story consistency to the wind so

[crude geode]

not until dimensions get more designed into mods

[sand umbra]

note that I conveniently left out the idea of significantly changing them to suit being designed around a specific pre-made arena

because we both know that's never going to happen

[crude geode]

yep

That said, Gravistar Sabaton is miles better than yharim's gift

[tranquil perch]

Mfw gravistar sabaton is outclassed by slimy saddle

[crude geode]

last sentence

fodder fot

[safe oasis]

fodder fot dropping unrelated stuff.
typo and too much space between title and text

otherwise good sugg and i agree

[dapper coral]

oh, i thought feedz was calling it a fot, whatever that means

[cobalt pewter]

damnit

[tawny garden]

Typo moment

[cobalt pewter]

The latter is usually what I do byeah

[safe oasis]

ah, never noticed until now

[sleek wadi]

Yeah I'm down with this sugg, maybe have this cosmic elemental replacement wear a backpack full of swords

[tawny garden]

tf is a swordsmith

[safe oasis]

blacksmith but for sword

[tawny garden]

!wiki ?hollowknight Nailsmith
this?

[red storm]

https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Nailsmith

[tawny garden]

[safe oasis]

called a bladesmith but whatever

[hollow shell]

I approve of this suggestion because I came up with this idea like 2 or 3 years ago

[tawny garden]

Rover flexing on how ahead of time he is

[sleek wadi]

Change the sprite to be more sword like, have it stop and spin a circle of swords for a bit instead of dropping down while being invincible like granite elemental, and rename it to Sword Stone. I should pick up modding but kinda want to wait for 1.4 tml

[tawny garden]

You're gonna be waiting for a while, mate

[sleek wadi]

Yeah I know, so I'm put it in this awkward position of wanting to get into modding when I'm pretty sure it'll also change relatively soon

[hollow shell]

The basics prolly won't

It'll still be C# programming

[tawny garden]

Stuff is gonna be easier to do in 1.4 tML

From what I heard

[ashen warren]

Make it so that when you defeat the perforator it says "The Perforators have been defeated"
When the boss is summoned, it will say the perforator hive has awoken since at that point only that has spawaned, however when you beat the boss you've also killed the worms, not only the hive, so i think it would be more appropriate if it said "the perforators have been defeated" instead of "the perforator hive has been defeated".
(you can easily do this by making the perforator hive not be considered a boss last second before he dies and printing the text manually)

thing ^ ^ ^

probably not gonna post it cause its kind of a lame detail but still wanted to hear opinion on it anyway

[eternal escarp]

doesnt it say "A perforator has been defeated" every time a worm dies?

[hollow shell]

This seems like an ok suggestion

[eternal escarp]

or is that boss checklist thing im confusing with?

[ashen warren]

hmmmm

perhaps instead of saying "the perforator has awoken" it could say "a perforator has crawled out of the hive"

[eternal escarp]

i mean the "has awoken" is something all bosses have

[ashen warren]

(you would have to spawn the worm manually without spawn on player though)

[eternal escarp]

i would be up if each boss had its own message but idk

sounds like something less important atm byeah

[ashen warren]

they're boss servants though, i think its not appropriate if you see the message several times through the fihgt

[eternal escarp]

ohh

you mean the worms

mybad

yeah that would be nice ig

although im not sure what could be a good reason other then "itd be cool"

[ashen warren]

When the perforator hive is about to initiate the projectile rain attack, make it have a chance to unleash a different attack instead
during a boss it is necessary to give the player a wider variety of dangerous situations to avoid, however currently during most of your time fighting the perforator hive you will be dodging horizontal bullet hell after horizontal bullet hell and charges in between in revengeance mode, which can be very repetitive.

Adding one or more crimson themed attacks that can be initiated instead of the projectile rain will make the player have to react accordingly depending on what attack the perforator hive does, making the fight feel more unique throughout.

there are endless possibilities for crimson themed attacks that could be added, perhaps it spits balls of flesh that break down into spikes, which bounce off tiles in death mode, or a homing ichor bomb etc

if you feel like the attacks wouldn't fit in with the worm phases, it would be better if they weren't initiated during those phases

i also made this ^ ^ ^ ^

so which of the 2 suggestions do you think is superior

(also not sattisfied with my boc suggestion so ima delete it lol)

[hollow shell]

Sounds a bit needlessly specific

[ashen warren]

which one

the boc one or the spike one

[hollow shell]

One you just posted

spiky flesh balls

[ashen warren]

so i should make it more vague and leave room for creativity hmm

[hollow shell]

Yeah
Like along the lines of "Give Perf hive an additional attack instead of just the blood/ichor rain"
And maybe you could provide your thing as an example in the reason

[ashen warren]

yes

updated

[frail mantle]

probably a better idea to post first drafts in #suggestions-posting first so they don't get buried by discussion

you can post them here first, i just generally think doing it in posting first is better

[ashen warren]

i prefer posting them here tbh since posting a suggestion and then editing it a million times feels like its taking a toll on the moderators

[hollow shell]

This is much better yeah

Some people will probably disagree, as the rain is meant just to complement the worms
and you don't wanna have too much goin on at the same time or else it gets too hectic

But, it is a valid sugg now I think 👌

[ashen warren]

make the attacks not happen while worms?

hmm

[hollow shell]

That is a possibility yeah

[golden narwhal]

Could mention the charge in rev+, since it is another non-rain attack

[ashen warren]

added note under it

[ashen warren]

the charge doesn't feel like a standalone attack though it feels more like just buffed movement speed

standalone attacks have an initiation

also

attacks dont happen if hive is below you

so it can either charge or attack

[golden narwhal]

It's not a separate attack, but it's an attack nonetheless

[ashen warren]

hmm maybe i should mention it then

i think ima post it now tbh

[hollow shell]

👍

Ah, well

Yeah this is fine

[sleek hornet]

@cobalt pewter a typo ...other weapons dropped from othet enemies.

[cobalt pewter]

a

brb

[warped tide]

I think the suggestion to make DoG 100% invisible during laser walls is a very very bad idea

thematically appropriate maybe but absolutely awful for the actual design of the fight

I can't think of a single person who would happily go "oh wow dog appeared directly on top of me with no warning what a cool ambush attack!"

[tawny garden]

oh wow dog appeared directly on top of me with no warning what a cool ambush attack!

[warped tide]

anyway yeah let's try not to design mechanics with no counterplay

:D

[lapis canyon]

that isnt what i meant

It’s mainly this

just a visual change which i think will be cool

[eternal escarp]

correct word would have prolly been transparent then

and not 100% invisble

byeah too late now ig

[lapis canyon]

transparent as in the image?

[tawny garden]

transparent and invisible convey the same meaning here

[eternal escarp]

do they?

hm

[lapis canyon]

well the idea is for the boss to be invisible with the portal doing what it does

i find it weird that dog is just there not attacking you when its in you

doesnt need to be changed in terms of mechanics

[robust lava]

Translucent?

[cosmic abyss]

Or maybe you could just say "make DoG's body clear/translucent/other words that has the same meaning as invisible"

[robust lava]

It's already gone into voting, so it's too late anyway

[lapis canyon]

guess ppl dont get my suggestion but o well

[hollow shell]

"translucent" or "partially invisible" woulda worked

Oh well

[tawny garden]

I don't think it would change much

It gets the point across

[ashen warren]

just say semi invisible

tbh

[fossil finch]

sis

[safe oasis]

and "it's cool"

[pine star]

@latent lantern Specific item suggestions are not allowed

[latent lantern]

/buff

Also not specific

[tawny garden]

there are some specifics

like the name

read the doc in the pins

[fossil finch]

it says name and overall functionality

[safe oasis]

still only reasoning is “it’s cool” whether or not it’s a sis

[tawny garden]

and ye

[heady storm]

Is there something that needs to be done.

[tawny garden]

yes

❗

[fossil finch]

exclamation yeah i think?
Sis and lack of reasoning

[whole sedge]

Yeah no real reasoning and very close to a SIS

[hollow shell]

byeah @latent lantern Don't give it a name

And don't describe it like you're proposing a new item

You should be asking that an item be added to fulfill a purpose, and let the devs decide how they wanna go about it

[analog talon]

did this person just use the phrase fanboy as a reason for an item

[muted osprey]

damn bro that's kinda horny

[warm scarab]

[ripe owl]

Change revengeance eye of Cthulhu drop
Whose idea was this?

[hollow shell]

krazyness253.

[ripe owl]

I'm not asking the guy's name

[safe oasis]

you asked whose idea it was

[ripe owl]

yeah, makes sense

Whatever

That's one the most stupid sugg because, c'mon, mod gives you a choice: bonk or dodge, why would someone like to sacrifice it?

[safe oasis]

because its literally a choice between "dash or dash"

[ripe owl]

Valor and MNG be like

[safe oasis]

also the explanation is literally in the sugg

[grim tusk]

Statis belt*

[ripe owl]

Statis > Valor while Valor ≈ MNG

[unkempt heath]

In what world

[warm scarab]

ty for the latest sugg idea

[safe oasis]

too many abbreviations

hard to follow

[ripe owl]

Statsis

[tawny garden]

yeah @warm scarab

[safe oasis]

i always forget to @ people

[hot zephyr]

Literally just

Re-tier either the Master Ninja Gear or Statis' Ninja Belt

I think that Statis' Ninja Belt should be re-tiered because on the current build, Master Ninja Gear is overshadowed because once you've acquired it, you can immediately upgrade it into the Ninja Belt.

[cobalt pewter]

Ye Ninja Belt needs a retier imo

Instant upgrades are yech

[distant vault]

Oh the Aquatic heart upgrade guy left

[warm scarab]

[dapper coral]

hng

well if they come back they can fix it

if not then it will burn in the abyss

nbd

[tawny garden]

Also @warm scarab fix your spelling

[safe oasis]

wow just like that

[tawny garden]

Oh

[safe oasis]

2 second edit

what a god

[tawny garden]

That works too

[warm scarab]

i was editing it a minute ago and got a ping here

[tawny garden]

m

[earnest cape]

no.

[muted osprey]

um

you might not wanna finish that

[warm scarab]

what

[earnest cape]

why do you want to make an already powerful item more powerful

[warm scarab]

powerful huh

oh wait

i think feed made a sugg on pjam b4

about changing it

[sharp prism]

@cobalt pewter #changelogs

:)

[cobalt pewter]

Phaseslayer isn't pure true melee

It shoots projectiles if you spin it around

[sharp prism]

ah true

[warm scarab]

the projectiles' damage also scale

like the blade

[cobalt pewter]

In any case, yes, the changelog kinda inspired the sugg

[tawny garden]

angular velocity

🧐

[warm scarab]

don't bring up physics

it doesn't exist

falling into the tiniest pool of water will cancel fall damage

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Factual iirc

[tawny garden]

Oh you actually changed it

[warm scarab]

[tawny garden]

ω

[cobalt pewter]

Dunno if needed, but context on the current scaling

[warm scarab]

confusion

how the fuck can you do 1800 degree per second

[frail mantle]

mouse on high sensitivity and put your mouse right next to your character

[cobalt pewter]

Infinite DPI

[sharp prism]

its so fuckign fast

[distant vault]

25,600 dpi :))))

[marble hazel]

true

[sharp prism]

[bitter drift]

i have a suggestion that will buff the BoC but i want to ask first if you think it's necessary or wanted?

[fossil finch]

well if you don't provide the exact sugg
or the reasoning behind it
we can't do much

[bitter drift]

here i posted more info what do you think now?

[safe oasis]

this just makes brain hive mind 2

also specific

[bitter drift]

and before you ask yes BoC and it's minions do give many debuffs.
https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Creeper
https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Brain_of_Cthulhu

[safe oasis]

(remove the embeds)

[bitter drift]

is this a specific item suggestion? i don't fucking think so

[cobalt pewter]

(I really wanna see a funny fakeout in that the brain switches place mid dash)

(actually please don't consider that)

[bitter drift]

i don't plan on changing the suggestion anymore from what you see now in suggestion posting

besides that's a cheap move

[pine star]

(so like Soul Master fakeout slam?)

[bitter drift]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

(what's soul master)

Ina ny case uhhh

[bitter drift]

hollow knight

[cobalt pewter]

Lemme read sugg rq

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[bitter drift]

imagine not playing HK : D

[safe oasis]

so what you're saying is you're gonna ignore all feedback given here

[bitter drift]

no

[tawny garden]

I'm having trouble understanding the suggestion

[bitter drift]

what part of it

[tawny garden]

all

[eternal escarp]

byeah

[safe oasis]

make BoC spin around the player before backing away for a little and charging
this is what he's trying to get across

essentially just make hive mind

also

[eternal escarp]

you could make the hive mind thing an idea, instead of it being the sugg itself

[cobalt pewter]

EoW and Perf don't have much similarities aside from worm

[eternal escarp]

to remove some specifity

[safe oasis]

1. gives more resemblance to the hive mind's attacks where he often teleport before spinning around then charging at the player
   how is this important or needed? how does this support the fact that this sugg should be added

[tawny garden]

never fought Hive Mind

[eternal escarp]

smh

byeah anyways

i think making the suggestions hive mind more of just an example, instead of it being the sugg

the rest could prolly stay tbf

[little gull]

do you guys think it would be a good idea for them to add a item to store your potions so you can buff without a quarter of your inventory being taken up (for people who don't like alchemist NPC)

[eternal escarp]

do you have a reason?

[bitter drift]

to how are you talking to?

[safe oasis]

alchnpc does that iirc

[tawny garden]

[[Piggy Bank]]

[eternal escarp]

the person above who asked a new thing

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Piggy_Bank

[bitter drift]

oh ok

[tawny garden]

tho ig they don't work from portable storage

[eternal escarp]

you could always just

take 1 potion

each time

and drink them

[fossil finch]

you can technically just buff and then like,
you know
put them on the piggy bank

yeah

[eternal escarp]

im not sure if "doesnt want to use alchNPC/lite" is a good enough reason tbf

[fossil finch]

use luiafk then

or alch lite

[little gull]

how about being able to using the buff key while chests are open

simple change

[eternal escarp]

dunno if its really that simple

and you can literaly just

take the item, buff and put it back

[tawny garden]

might involve IL

[little gull]

yeah, but it's a quality of life thing, not the most pressing change

[eternal escarp]

all i know is IL can be frusturation inducing (atleast i think)

[tawny garden]

and at that point it's more like smth for a separate QoL mod

[eternal escarp]

^

just being QoL isnt a good enough reason iirc

especially when the normal solution is like, 2 clicks more

you can just take the item, click outside, put it back lol

[bitter drift]

i was gonna say because a stuffed inventory can't quick buff all the potions you want
but then i remembered that lore items are getting deleted soon so that would be less of a problem

[eternal escarp]

still not really a problem because you can just put potions in a piggy bank, take them, drink, put back

[little gull]

idk, I was just saying that idea because theres like no other mod that lets you buff straight from your piggy bank other than alchemist npc (that I know of)

[fossil finch]

l u i a f k

[tawny garden]

is lui afk?

[little gull]

luiafk feels like cheating no cap

[eternal escarp]

then kinda your problem then

[little gull]

yeah

it do be like that

[tawny garden]

@zenith hazel spammer

[gray nebula]

true

[warm olive]

ok

[safe oasis]

funny guy

[tawny garden]

uh @sly forge kill pls

[unreal viper]

nice

[grim tusk]

Im surprised that guy hasnt been warned yet, he has being doing it on voice channels for a while now

[sly forge]

@ashen warren Please don't spam, especially not something like that.

[grim tusk]

He goes almost daily and posts nonsense in many channels at the same time specially vc

[tawny garden]

he did it in #bugs-read-pins and #multiplayer-looking-to-play too

cool

[fossil finch]

i had a sugg about cosmic elemental and feed did one not long ago
lol

[sly forge]

Saw it. Thanks for letting me know.

[tawny garden]

[grim tusk]

Also idk if this is the place to ask but can we adress #voice-chat-1 , it has become a meme channel at this point

[tawny garden]

staff has discussed it

I believe

[cobalt pewter]

Limit embed roles on vc1 and 2 like other channels

[tawny garden]

they're directing more mod attention to it

[grim tusk]

Memes on those are ok now and then but vc 1 is just meme spam

[tawny garden]

I think

[cobalt pewter]

vc3 and 4 are way more controlled

[sly forge]

Let's get back on topic in here, okay?

[tawny garden]

or they considered doing it at least

[cobalt pewter]

Brie, a sugg about vc1 has been thrown in here a while back

Byeah

[tawny garden]

Ian suggested smth similar

#suggestions-voting message

[grim tusk]

Yea

[tawny garden]

wew

56

[sly forge]

Ah.

I'll keep a close eye on it then.

[tawny garden]

59 is fucking nothing

[hot zephyr]

:(

[safe oasis]

kinda specific and no reasoning

[sleek turret]

yeah

[safe oasis]

@solar mango

[sleek turret]

and also there's plentiful of gems on planetoids most of the time.

[whole sedge]

Yeah I don't see any real reason to add this especially because planetoids exist

[sleek turret]

except if rng worldgen fucks you over and there's no diamond or ruby planetoid.

[solar mango]

but death mode

and u die

[sleek turret]

uhh

then use something that protects you from enviromental effects?

[solar mango]

and by the tim u get heat protection u dont need gems that bad

tbh

[sleek turret]

there are various accesible accesories that protect you from enviromental effects.

Hand Warmer (at night)

Campfire (buff)

[solar mango]

also when u run out of planetoids

and u have wayy too many amethyst

[sleek turret]

RNG Worldgen.

[solar mango]

[sleek turret]

And also fishing on caverns/underground on Calamity.

There are some drop bag fishes that drop gems.

Extractinator too.

[solar mango]

fishing not to fun tbh

[sleek turret]

wrong

[whole sedge]

Opinions on mechanics if they're fun or not shouldn't really be put in a suggestion really

[sleek turret]

correct.

[whole sedge]

there's already a fair few ways of easily getting gems in calamity though so this is just kinda unneeded

[sleek turret]

there's a lot of methods for gems on calamity.

fishing, extractinator, planetoids and exploring caves

[whole sedge]

There's also the gem crawlers

[tawny garden]

(btw read the doc)

There are too many numbers in your suggestion

Should add a reason to the suggestion itself

@solar mango

@heady storm add a ❗ to the sugg in the meantime

[heady storm]

Oki then.

Just let me know when it needs to go and bully tmods not me.

[tawny garden]

don't wanna bully anyone

[solar mango]

who is tmods

[unreal viper]

Wdym?

[radiant meadow]

They are the trial mods.

[unreal viper]

Oh, lol.

Thought he was talking about tmodloader.

[tawny garden]

"tmod" causes neuron activation

(for me as well)

[fossil finch]

there's a good amount of space between surface and planetoids you could make your skybridge in

not like you'd want to make your skybridge on the space biome, the gravity is rather annoying and can't be negated until Deus

[whole sedge]

Destroying planetoids has always been pretty easy for me also

[crystal iron]

In late game yes, in early game bit really

Unless you get help from a mod

[safe oasis]

I said earlier I never used the planetoids and I'm pretty sure there are a few others that never found them useful either
then use them, not really world gens fault

there are tons of useful shit thats on you for not getting it

[whole sedge]

I mean just getting 99 sticky dynamite isn't too hard early game

[crystal iron]

That's barely my point tho

[fossil finch]

both skybridge part and fighting bosses part do not really apply, however

[whole sedge]

Plus having that would kinda also mean exodium clusters wouldn't generate and upcoming luminute generations pretty sure

and yeah on a large world, which this mod is made for, there's like 200 blocks at the very least of space

[fossil finch]

-Nobody builds their skybridges directly on space because of low gravity
-Where tf you be figthing bosses you go so up planetoids interfere with you

[crystal iron]

Ok how about I reword my sugg then

[safe oasis]

(it's made for medium but sure)

or at least anything that isnt small

[fossil finch]

not even terraria is made for small tbf

[crystal iron]

"make planetoids wayy less abundant an option join world gen"

Upon*

Would that be better

[sleek wadi]

Planetoids have gotten in the way of my deus fights before

[safe oasis]

that is an option. it's called a pickaxe and bombs

[fossil finch]

tf you been fighting deus man
i use my astral to fight deus
My astral and a platform at 20 blocks above the ground

[crystal iron]

Ok then, why did calamity make the temple more spacious, you can just get a few actuators can't you

[fossil finch]

because golem room gen is shit

[safe oasis]

it was more spacious because golem

and no you cant use actuators

lol

[fossil finch]

and it does only apply to golem room gen

lol

[sleek wadi]

I also fight it with true melee+soaring pot which is basically an infinite flight method, I've never fought deus in an arena

No reason to, the thing doesn't have an out-of-astral enrage IIRC and if it does I don't notice it

[fossil finch]

my point is i need no space to fight deus

so i can't really understand how planetoids get in your way

[whole sedge]

Plus at the point of deus you have all sorts of post-golem & cultist ways of getting rid of blocks

[crystal iron]

A bit late, but, isn't having multiple world's a thing

[safe oasis]

ah yes because forcing you to make multiple worlds for every playthrough is great game design

[whole sedge]

Calamity already has stuff in place for not requiring multiple worlds for nearly everything ex: evil island

[crystal iron]

Also, it's on the player if they decide to not generate plnetodus

[safe oasis]

good idea

[fossil finch]

if you can make another world to get exodium by mining, you can mine your planetoids

[safe oasis]

its also on the player to launch the game. softlocking them and saying "well you chose it lol" doesn't solve anything

[crystal iron]

But for s few suggestions before mods did say that 2 worlds is a thingz I don't know why that wouldn't apply here

[sleek wadi]

Multiple worlds is a thing but being able to do everything in one world is a thing calam devs design for. Evil island biggest example

[crystal iron]

And people are complaining about evil islands

[safe oasis]

who is?

i havent seen a single complaint about it

[whole sedge]

Either way this seems incredibly pointless as regardless of the stage mining them is really not difficult cause dynamite is a thing

[fossil finch]

at the end "add a toggle for x" sugg end up being really subjective and providing little general reasons
They are an excelent qol, and a structure that next update probably will be required because of the encrypted schematic (and the plate) sits there, aside stuff like exodium clusters.

[crystal iron]

Call me dumb but I don't know what your point is

[whole sedge]

and yeah I have not once seen people complain about evil islands other than they're made in not the greatest way

[crystal iron]

Cursed being

A few others too

[fossil finch]

people don't directly complain about evil islands
They are indeed not the best way, and thomas did make a sugg about them, but it's because of execution, and not because they are annoying or smt

[crystal iron]

Anyway, my point still stands, planetoids are too abundant

[fossil finch]

they are too scarce for me but idk

[whole sedge]

And our point of just use dynamite or break blocks if you're post deus still stands.

[crystal iron]

A lot of them are just stone planetoids anyways with some ores or gems anyway

[safe oasis]

your point does not still stand we countered it several times

[crystal iron]

With 2 points maybe

[fossil finch]

(Or if you are prehardmode and for some reason making an skybridge there)

[safe oasis]

yeah, 2 points that you havent addressed

[whole sedge]

Literally the entire existance of sticky dynamite makes this kind of pointless as for the tiny one's it's like what, 2-3 dynamite?

[safe oasis]

like 1 dynamite and a picakxe

[whole sedge]

Really you just building your sky bridges abhorrently high is not really a mod fault either when there's a ton of space between the surface and space on a large or even medium world which most players play on and is recommended

[fossil finch]

and your third point:
There's a lot of space outside of space to fight bosses in

[crystal iron]

Anyway, let's say I agree with all of you

Planetoids are still to abundant to be forced on the player, since it isn't an extra important world gen it should be optional, because it's so large scale

[fossil finch]

they aren't that big.

or common.

[crystal iron]

They are common

[whole sedge]

Except they are a fairly important world gen because of gems, ores, exodium clusters, luminite, the lab, queen bee spawns et cetera.

[safe oasis]

also, for a lot of people that's not even an option anyway cuz if the crash for the big one at least
you disproved this in like the first 2 sentences of your sugg

why include it again

[whole sedge]

And even the big ones can be destroyed really easily with just dynamite

[fossil finch]

(now chests not queen bees, byeah)

[crystal iron]

Gems you can find in caves, ores too, clusters you can craft, plnetoids don't have anything that can't already be gained any other way

So they aren't that important

[fossil finch]

they are amazing qol and i use them all of my playtroughs

finding gems on normal mining is extremely painful

[whole sedge]

Yes you can get them other ways but the point of them being there is so you don't have to just mine for days to get 1 ruby for a KS summon

[crystal iron]

Maybe but I've already covered that In my sugg

[fossil finch]

and, they provide the contrary ores that your world has

so, no, you don't find those while mining

[crystal iron]

Ye, but that also makes them not so important

[whole sedge]

No not really

[fossil finch]

it makes them more important?
Because they are a more reliable way to get your gems

[crystal iron]

That doesn't make them important, just useful for some

[whole sedge]

The lab still exists and that's all sorts of unique stuff, planetoids still have the highest ore to block ratio anywhere pretty sure and they're significantly easier to find gold/platinum/gems just because of their existance. You refusing to use them for their purpose doesn't mean they don't have it.

[crystal iron]

1 lab out of Many

[whole sedge]

Each lab is still unique.

[ancient mirage]

easiest lab to get to though

[crystal iron]

Multiple world's then

[fossil finch]

each lab has a plate, a log, and an schematic

the last one getting an use next update, an use that may be important

[whole sedge]

Multiple worlds is the opposite of what calamity wants to do also

That's the whole point of: The evil island and opposing ores spawning on planetoids

[crystal iron]

It would be the players choice to disable the plantoids therefore it would be their responsibility to deal with it

[pine star]

But you don't deal with planetoids

You use them

[safe oasis]

again, this makes no sense and i already said why

[whole sedge]

You can completely ignore planetoids if you want to and you're intentionally creating a problem that doesn't exist really

[safe oasis]

you're repeating yourself at this point

we're going in circles

[crystal iron]

Ye that's cuz you are saying things that lead to the same outcome

[whole sedge]

Because you refuse to even actually think about them or think of solutions for your supposed problem

[fossil finch]

or because you are

because the sugg is yours

the reasoning is yours

yeah

[crystal iron]

Ye, ik

[safe oasis]

you basically ignore the arguments we bring up and counter with "but its a choice lol"

[fossil finch]

Again, this isn't the first sugg about this, the last one got nowhere, and had pretty much the same reasoning, so...

[crystal iron]

Ye, it was my sugg, this is a repost if sorts

[whole sedge]

More customization is always a nice thing but even to really have that customization it has to have some actual purpose to fulfill and this isn't really that.

[safe oasis]

thats a good way of putting it yeah

[crystal iron]

You can use dynamites - you can but it's easier to have it disabled for you,
It's intrusive,

Unnecessary - maybe, idk, for me it's not, this whole Sugg is highly subjective anyway, but I already said why it isn't too unnecessary
They're In the way
They don't have anything you can't already obtain by other means, meaning that disabling them would do no harm, apart from maybe having to create a second world just in case

Multiple words is against calamity - as I said, it's on the player, I think its the players choice how they want to play, to an extent but this doesn't seem like something that is too hard to do or too game changing either, makes life easier for some, hell makes life easier for the majority, but there sure is a small minority that doesn't like planetoids

Planetoids aren't even that common - depends how you look at it
If you never use them, they are too common
If you do take advantage of them the. They might be uncommon, but I still think they are abundant cuz my space is usually filled with them

[whole sedge]

It's still a problem that the player creates with something the mod has and are so painfully ignorable that I've seen some new calamity players not even know they exist until they have to fight something in space like Storm Weaver. There's already a solution to this issue and intentionally getting rid of a ton of QoL features and easy access to Exodium plus a major structure is something that'll never happen. You create the issue of constantly being in space and you already have the fix of tons of things that break blocks.

[pine star]

Something tells me this won't go anywhere

[fossil finch]

subjective suggs are bad because improvement tends to be and is normally supposed to be objective, and improvement is why suggs exist

[tawny garden]

correct

[safe oasis]

They don't have anything you can't already obtain by other means, meaning that disabling them would do no harm,
they have alt ores, a chance for enchanted sword, easy access place for life crystals, easy access place for hive materials, easy access jungle drops from hive chests, all with much less effort than going out of your way and getting it manually.
apart from maybe having to create a second world just in case
why would this sugg be necessary if it meant making use of it would require you to make a new world anyway.
Planetoids aren't even that common - depends how you look at it
If you never use them, they are too common
If you do take advantage of them the. They might be uncommon, but I still think they are abundant cuz my space is usually filled with them
not really seeing the point here

that's all i'll say on it

[fossil finch]

anyways suggs system is an ilusion of control nothing will go in ever aside two qols and an idea devs forgot lo

[pine star]

my gehenna sugg might go in

only because I asked Dom if it was easy to implement, and they said yes

[fossil finch]

i mean, it is gehenna

[crystal iron]

Your first argument doesn't counter my point, you listed Everything that can be obtained with means other than planetoids

[pine star]

yeah

[safe oasis]

all with much less effort than going out of your way and getting it manually.

[pine star]

But it is a lot easier to obtain them using planetoids

And we need to stop

[crystal iron]

Exactly

[pine star]

This is a waste of breath

[safe oasis]

you're just proving my point now

what are you arguing

[crystal iron]

Probably, I do have to say I feel a little embarrassed but I do feel this change is an improvement

[crystal iron]

How, you are proving my point if anything

I said, there's nothing on planetoids that can't already be obtained otherwise

You then proceeded to list materials obtainable in other areas

But yeah, as I said I'm embarrassed so I'll stop arguing, but my point still stands

[ancient mirage]

they said that planetoid stuff was easier to get than mining and you said exactly

[tawny garden]

ew light mode

[unreal viper]

he's seen the light

[pine star]

And they have been affected by it

[unreal viper]

blinded by the light

[ancient mirage]

this has happened before

[tawny garden]

this is

pain

[pine star]

[ancient mirage]

⬜

[heady storm]

Non-suggestion stuff begone.

[unreal viper]

Yessir.

[crystal iron]

That was a mistake 👀

[sand umbra]

you know, despite the fact that I don't agree with planetoids letting you ignore pre-Hardmode progression entirely
what's funny is that I actually don't really like this sugg

because I feel like the planetoids aren't necessarily unimportant enough to just delete them on an option
I just feel like they're not given as much unique stuff as they could have and they're just used as an excuse to invalidate everything before like platinum/gold gear

"but Thomas can't you just not go to them if you wanna build up through pre-boss normally"
name one person that unironically does this when 1) the option to go to them and immediately get full Gold/Platinum plus like 8 Life Crystals is right there and there's no reason not to take it, and b) virtually every Calamity player I've ever spoken to hates pre-boss because it's fantastically boring (and it is, and then half of them get mad at me when I try to suggest making it not boring, how funny is that)

[safe oasis]

name one person that unironically does this when the option to go to them and immediately get full Gold/Platinum plus like 8 Life Crystals is right there and there's no reason not to take it
people with self discipline

i do get your point though

[sand umbra]

...okay maybe like. a very small subset of people will actually just play through the game without going to non-main planetoids

I don't know, I haven't done intensive enough research on this for a conclusive answer

but my point still stands
you can get up there with rope and platforms and you skip like 60% of pre-boss instantly

[pine star]

The only thing I used non-main planetoids for was gems

[sand umbra]

(the remaining 40% is going underground for a few minutes anyway because you need a yo-yo or similar to beat up the old fart seahorses for Victide)

[pine star]

Also @sly forge we've got a meme

[sand umbra]

OH YEAH I FORGOT

the Life Crystal planetoids also have like 50 gems a piece

what gem they have is more or less entirely random

so you can go to like 2 and a half planetoids and immediately have over 200 health and whatever your Platinum-tier weapon is plus Platinum armor

(a single planetoid should generally give you enough metal for a full set of whatever)

I dunno, I just. wish planetoids had more interesting stuff to them instead of just being a free progression skip

[pine star]

same

I guess Main Planetoid is fine in that regard

[sand umbra]

...buuuut the last time I tried suggesting something like that everyone complained because I'd wanted to maybe reduce the amount of free shit you get from them

[pine star]

But the others need love

[sand umbra]

[pine star]

You know what?

I will sugg it

[sand umbra]

if you want

[pine star]

Where is your planetoid sugg?

I'm just going to re-post it

[sand umbra]

I don't recommend that

I need to devise a strategy here, okay

[pine star]

ok

What's your plan?

[ashen finch]

I mean, planetoids are fine as is

there's not really any major issue with them, as far as I can see

[sly forge]

Hm?

[ashen finch]

sure, they're progression skips, but they're a fair distance apart in space so you have to deal with Harpies hounding you while you explore

which can be irritating at times

[pine star]

it's gone now

[sand umbra]

eh. only really applies if you manage to get far enough out to spawn Harpies

[safe oasis]

its gone now brie dw

[sly forge]

Alright.

[safe oasis]

that's not very far though

[sand umbra]

generally, you'll find at least one or two notable resource planetoids without having to deal with angry flying KFC at all

[safe oasis]

you'll be seeing them on most planetoids

[sand umbra]

the distance you have to travel to start spawning harpies is about 400-500 tiles in each direction on a large world

that being said I do see your point for the ones that are far enough out to allow harpy spawning

and I mean. I guess that's a bit of a threat

but also Harpies are really fucking easy to outplay

you just have like a roof and a floor made of solid blocks and you can ignore every harpy in the universe

[safe oasis]

that requires building tunnels from planetoid to planetoid though

[sand umbra]

only real issue of it is resources
doesn't take much more work than just smart cursoring platforms from planetoid to planetoid

which is what you generally do to get between them in the most efficient manner anyway

[safe oasis]

though even without tunnels its fairly easy to just ignore them and dodge with grav

[sand umbra]

oh yeah gravitation potions are also funny

you have one of those and the harpies just can't compete

because you fall out of their attack range in two frames after pressing up once

which somehow makes using one even less effort-intensive than platform bridging

(you just need to stop systematically pressing up every once in a while to mine out a planetoid)

anywho, let's see...how was my old sugg on planetoids worded again

#suggestions-voting message here it was
time to not do it like this a second time

[pine star]

it's stuck at 138

[sand umbra]

safe to say it'll never get there tbh
that and I can do better than I did there. way better

not 100% certain on this wording, but I'll go with it for now and see how long it takes for somebody to complain

[safe oasis]

oh yeah btw

why do people add that little
?
before the sugg content

[sand umbra]

that's just a habit I retained from before the sugg system was overhauled to be semi-automated

I don't really care enough to shake it (I have yet to hear any complaints about it, so )

[safe oasis]

what was it for before?

[sand umbra]

to indicate where the main pitch ends and the explanation as to why begins

(and a notable reason I still do this aside from not caring enough to shake it is because sometimes I do include additional information between the main pitch and the "why", so the icon helps to denote where the "why" begins)

[safe oasis]

ah ok
thanks for the clarification 👍

[sand umbra]

[pine star]

[fossil finch]

pog ig

[hollow shell]

Oh, the planetoid sugg got taken down?

Why?

[crystal iron]

It wasn't gonna get anywhere anyway

Also it was kidns dumb anyway

I think

Kinda*

[hollow shell]

I thought it was fine
People disagreed but it didn't break any rules

People could just choose to not star it when it reached voting

[eternal escarp]

from what i remember ir was perfectly valid

ye

[crystal iron]

Well if People disagree then it will just flood actually good suggs

[eternal escarp]

unless worldgen config counts as a big overhaul?

otherwise prty sure it was fine

[eternal escarp]

theres prolly quite a lot who would agree but just not talk here about it

theres only like, 20 people active here per say

but some suggestoons get from 80~ to 210~

if some disagree you dont need to think everyone would

[crystal iron]

Well, idk, I was kinda loosing the whole discussion anyway

[hollow shell]

It's fine if you're not feeling the sugg anymore
But I can go grab it from the deleted messages if you ever wanna repost it

[eternal escarp]

i mean, afaik when people come talking about sugg is mostly because they disagree, when people agree they just wait for the sugg to pass to voting

byeah

[crystal iron]

Actually, if that's possible then I think I would maybe try editing it a bit so the reasoning is at least a little bit better

[hollow shell]

Alright then

I'll DM it cuz it's a bit lorge

[crystal iron]

Ye ye ofc , thank you

[hollow shell]

👍

[cyan lagoon]

@slow bear don't shitpost in suggestions

[slow bear]

awww

[novel belfry]

hooo boy

I really want to make a suggestion that's just moving Astral Infection to Post-Moon Lord, but is it a Do Not to post a sugg like that?

[cobalt pewter]

Do you have a solid reasoning for that?

[novel belfry]

Well, it's basically that the Astral Infection's potential seems to be glossed because it spawns at the same time the Corruption/Crimson gets boosted and the Hallow spawns

It's kinda just there

[ancient mirage]

this is probably a dumb question but what do you mean by enemy statuses

[sleek turret]

enemy statues in general

[ancient mirage]

oh i misread

sorry

[sleek turret]

Slime Statue, Zombie Statue, etc.

[novel belfry]

Also it moves two hardmode bosses away from hardmode

[sleek turret]

These spawn enemies when wired.

(and activated by some form using switches, timers, etc)

[crude geode]

just remove enemy statues

[sleek turret]

or just completly disable wiring on them.

[crude geode]

Suggestion seems fine tho

[sleek turret]

[languid quartz]

emoji suggestions moment

[safe oasis]

its not

[languid quartz]

well I suppose it's not suggesting something

yeah good point

[safe oasis]

renaming doesnt count as emote sugg i asked like 3 times before posting

[languid quartz]

[sleek turret]

:hmm:

[dapper coral]

renames are legal, ye

[languid quartz]

sugg sounds good ye

[safe oasis]

epic

[hollow shell]

I don't really get a disgusted vibe from it myself

I see it as more of a "baby bruh"

[crude geode]

Yeah

or a baby kekw or lul

[marble hazel]

Well what to rename it exactly doe

baby_kekw

[heady storm]

We can discuss that later if this vote passes.

[dapper coral]

eah

normally when it comes to server/moderator stuff we leave that kinda thinking till it makes it to us

[sly forge]

Isn't that a really old emote?

[tawny garden]

It is

[earnest cape]

wait eow has invul iframes after spawning?

[muted osprey]

pretty sure yeah

even then destroyer and obviously deus has them

[analog talon]

ye

[crude geode]

why does this need to be a toggle at all? @muted osprey

[cobalt pewter]

Any mention of configs means that your sugg is permanently marked inconsistent

[tawny garden]

Ye this kind of thing shouldn't be a toggle @muted osprey

Because one option is clearly preferred over the other

[sand umbra]

there are a lot of things that can get away with being configs if you're not dumb and assuming you use configs in moderation but like there are some things that really shouldn't be configs no matter how much you like them

worm bosses having DR during startup is one of these things because it is a significant balance decision (it doesn't seem significant until you realize you lose a lot of cheese potential by having that startup DR)

[tawny garden]

Bloated config is

[cobalt pewter]

From what I seen lately, a lot of suggs use the config card to cover their lack of confidence in the sugg they're making

[eternal escarp]

yeah i was about to say that

i see alot of suggestions that are kindof controversial (aka, some people might disagree) pulling the "this can be a config for (insert people)"

[tawny garden]

The suggestor did not respond

[sand umbra]

byeah people really need to stop playing the config card

it doesn't help your case, if anything it makes you look less confident

you want people to star your sugg? show 'em you ain't afraid to say that somethin' oughta happen, fullstop, none of these "well you can make it a config if it's controversial" shenanigans

[eternal escarp]

cowboy moment

byeah

[cobalt pewter]

then realize that your sugg is doomed in approval hell anyways

[unreal viper]

calamity

[sand umbra]

just let the illusion be, Feedz, they'll learn that in due time either way

[unreal viper]

yeah.

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[tawny garden]

[sand umbra]

and at least this way I'm helping them to build self-confidence and teaching them good suggestion practices

[tawny garden]

you're yelling into the void

[cobalt pewter]

....that reminds me, should putting config in your sugg be part of bad suggestion practices?

[sand umbra]

shhhh

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

Nah

[sand umbra]

I mean. it's not necessarily bad

[unreal viper]

^

[eternal escarp]

it depends ig

[sand umbra]

as I said, there are some instances where a config is okay or, in rarer cases, the optimal play

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[sand umbra]

the problem is when people start playing that card for everything

[tawny garden]

It would just be a "not recommended"

[cobalt pewter]

let's be real here, most of the use of config card is like, bruh

Byeah

Probably not recommended- wait there's smth like that?

Lemme skim over the doc again

[tawny garden]

No

There's no section in there for that

yet

[eternal escarp]

at this point, maybe there should

to help people make better suggestions or smthn?

like, let people know better ways to write them, not suggestions as a whole byeah

[unreal viper]

no

[fossil finch]

Me when nostalgia tends humans to appreciate something they never appreciated before

[eternal escarp]

prty sure its a a Don't to suggest

so even if you wanted to suggest that youd have 0 luck

[zenith hazel]

astrageldon still exists

[fossil finch]

It is a don't
If it was removed it's because it truly was bad

[zenith hazel]

in our hearts as abandoned slime staff

[eternal escarp]

bold of you to assume we have hearts

byeah

get an old download

[fossil finch]

You download an old version and deal with it

[zenith hazel]

I literally just said astrageldon is abandoned slime staff

[eternal escarp]

[zenith hazel]

we're not bringing it back, period

and stop pinging me when you reply

also

[eternal escarp]

it was also mentioned on the document ye

[zenith hazel]

I can see deleted messages you know

[zenith hazel]

bot's down, notified amber

all good now

[ancient crow]

speaking of abandoned slime staff, is it worth it to edit the wiki page to mention that it also references AS's boss theme?

[ashen finch]

wait Siren was explicitly stated that someone wanted it removed?

[tawny garden]

yes

gama, who created her, wanted her to be removed

[tawny garden]

does it?

@hollow idol

[safe oasis]

i will now explicitly state that i want calamity mod removed

calamity is dead guys

[ashen finch]

aight

[tawny garden]

you didn't make it

[safe oasis]

proof?

[ashen finch]

understandable have a nice day

[hollow idol]

it does?

[eternal escarp]

lmfao

[hollow idol]

ask Vorbis, they wrote the tooltip

[tawny garden]

ogg vorbis

[tawny garden]

no owner role

:)

[ancient crow]

Cast down from the heavens in disgust, this relic sings a song of quiet tragedy...
astralgeldon's theme was called Cosmic Disgust

[eternal escarp]

i dont see the connection really

other then the word disgust

[tawny garden]

oh, I thought AS was Aquatic Scourge

[eternal escarp]

same tbh

[tawny garden]

but in any case, the wiki says that the weapon is based on Astrageldon Slime on the whole, which also implies that the theme song had smth to do with the weapon

[ancient crow]

yeah that's why i asked whether it was worth it

[hollow idol]

yeah just got confirmation from Vorbis that it's a reference to Cosmic Distrust

[eternal escarp]

huh

[tulip parcel]

Poking my head in for a sec

[tawny garden]

hi

[tulip parcel]

the astral infection is commonly referred to as the heavens in more than a few places

or that it had heavenly origins

[eternal escarp]

ah that does make more sense

[tulip parcel]

you could change it to "cast down from the cosmos" but that's not quite as dramatic

nor cool, frankly, and the rule of cool matters

[tawny garden]

[ancient crow]

i wasn't suggesting changing the description don't worry

i was just talking about the wiki page

[hollow idol]

added the music thing to trivia (and another thing)

[ancient crow]

oh huh i had no idea about the aureus jetpack thing

[tulip parcel]

It's not my item, I mean it is and it isn't

so if it needed a change like that that's up to yuh

[hollow idol]

Nah, I’m fine with it how it is aside from the drop rate that I was too tired to realize was bad at the time but thats getting fixed next update

[safe oasis]

a lot of planetoid suggs lately, huh

[tawny garden]

there are

way less than 7 Floating Islands

[safe oasis]

3 at most on a medium world

[tawny garden]

also the sugg is "remove planetoids", basically

[novel belfry]

I kinda wanted to rework them into new sky islands

[tawny garden]

uh

wh

[warm olive]

dont shitpost in suggestions

[novel belfry]

@royal wave
I can't tell if this is a shitpost or not

[whole sedge]

boss sugg and what appears to be a shitpost so

[royal wave]

hmm k i just thinked it would be funny so sorry

[novel belfry]

[hardy dock]

Yeah I think this counts as a joke sugg

[analog talon]

this counts as both a joke sugg and a don't iirc

@royal wave why is there a random code block

[fossil finch]

what the fuck is overdone's
Remove planetoids

[royal wave]

i dont know how to make the sentence symbols of speking thinks

[analog talon]

copy paste this => "

[royal wave]

ecacly this symbol

[analog talon]

these are backticks, they signal for discord to encase the text in a codeblock => `

[hollow shell]

Is this a boss suggestion?
It's hard to tell from the wording
but, yeah, boss suggestions are not allowed

[tawny garden]

overdone's might also be a don't

it's like

beeg

[hollow shell]

Yeeaah maybe. I'm unsure

It probably wouldn't be too hard to make our own sky island generation by just, copying vanilla

[tawny garden]

removing planetoids is what I'm talking about

it's a large structure

[hollow shell]

Indeed
However, the littler ones aren't (nearly) as important as the lab one

[tawny garden]

true

[fossil finch]

i find it a very heavy disagree if i'm being honest
If anything, make planetoids more "Unique" because sure as hell sky islands aren't
It also states that planetoids have no unique loot, however, hive ones do, and well, lab

[hollow shell]

Unique loot

Hive planetoids don't have anything new that you can't find in the Jungle

is what he's saying.

[fossil finch]

cadance

[hollow shell]

What

Wiki's outdated.

Time to fix.

[fossil finch]

Hive planetoids have cadance pot on them ye

[safe oasis]

not unique tho

can still make it

[agile bolt]

I do not like the idea of trying to remove planetoids at all, they are unique structures and they dont get in your way at all

[hollow shell]

(well they do if you try to do anything in the sky)

(such as late-game boss arenas)

[fossil finch]

again, why would you do that with the good amount of space between them and the surface

[hollow shell]

I had to tell both a floating island and a planetoid to fuck off when I last fought Yharon

[fossil finch]

eh, well, still not something the sugg considers since it's replacing them
the point, sky islands are not more "unique" in any way

they are just rarer

[hollow shell]

He could specify more about what he means
Because it sounds like "more of them" means "less unique", when that is not really true

@novel belfry

[agile bolt]

Never had a similar problem, planetoids are small and just feel rare to even spot during your gameplay, except for the main one. And even then i dont think it's worth it to remove them, they are very small and will take very little time with even bad pickaxes and absolutely no time with dynamites

you can remove them quite easily

[novel belfry]

changed title to focus a bit more on what I'm trying to say

[fossil finch]

tbh i feel the point is lost considering that would end up on them being just the same but with the shape of an sky island instead of a round one

[hollow shell]

Yeah

If you're concerned about the planetoids not being unique, surely you should be suggesting that they be given unique blocks/loot and not suggesting that they be made similar to something that already exists in vanilla, right?

[novel belfry]

hmm

I guess a rewrite is in order

but then again, I'm quite daunted by a rewrite

[ashen finch]

yo isn't this like the third time you've posted about wanting to change something about planetoids to stop them from being planetoids?

[crude geode]

No? Other people have done it, but not this person.

[fossil finch]

ye

[ashen finch]

huh

didn't think it was this broad of an issue

[fossil finch]

it really isn't

[crude geode]

Some people don’t like em

[ashen finch]

well that's their issue to deal with

[fossil finch]

tbf most of the suggs i see are outdated (funny larvae) have to do with exodium, or the counter to their reasoning tones down to "just explode them"

then there's thomas' suggs

yo people be sugging for draed's labs back at 2018

[signal glade]

I am thinking what if we add gravtion sabaton to post-ml boots?

[safe oasis]

as long as you have reasoning feel free to sugg

[crude geode]

expert mode only

[cobalt pewter]

That's not much of a priority when the acc itself is shat on by a fucking early game mount

[hollow shell]

Celestial Tracers aren't Rev-only anymore

Ah, delet'd

[signal glade]

yeah I deleted the message i thought it was rev

[whole sedge]

yeah uh just nerfing slimey saddle might be better to make them viable but

[hollow shell]

It was in the past

[cobalt pewter]

You can probably never nerf Slimy Saddle tbh

The outrage will be worse than the Frog Leg nerfs

Because it's just, so fuckin convenient

[signal glade]

Slimy saddle doesnt need nerfs it just functions good
with the only nerf in mind that fall damage can never be negated

[cobalt pewter]

It doesn't take an acc slot, unlike sabaton

[signal glade]

frog legs tho

[cobalt pewter]

That's probably the most major part of this

And then there's way less cooldown on reusing the mount

[signal glade]

Why does people think slimy saddle needs nerfs?

[dire loom]

^

[cobalt pewter]

Because it's dumb strong? Fall speed is great when you can control when to get it

[dire loom]

and?

is that a problem

[signal glade]

the only way this is getting nerfed for universal uses is adding a cooldown

[cobalt pewter]

the universe fucking explodes

[hollow shell]

The fall speed is very nice yeah
Useful throughout the entire game, despite you getting it from the first boss

[whole sedge]

I mean yeah it's literally from the first boss and viable the entire game but more of the reason to buff the sabaton now that i think about it but well 1.5's coming up so

[cobalt pewter]

Sabaton tries to do this, but fails miserably

[hollow shell]

It can be toggled at any time (no cooldown), doesn't take an acc slot, etc

[dire loom]

i think sabaton should be buffed more than saddle should be nerfed

[cobalt pewter]

As I said, Slimy Saddle cannot be nerfed

So I've been pushing for Sabaton buff a bit

[signal glade]

sabaton shoudnt be an accessory

like hear me out

[cobalt pewter]

But imma be real here, I'd be better off making my own proposal on Sabaton buffs and yeet it to a dev or smth

[dire loom]

even better

[cobalt pewter]

I already has some things for it, like dynamic cooldown

[dire loom]

mix sabaton with jelly bean and make jelly bean expert mode and pre moonlord

[cobalt pewter]

Jelly bean is a donator item

[signal glade]

If sabaton can be made into a discord kinda thing that when you make it stay in your inventory
but with cool down

[dire loom]

ah

that could work

[hollow shell]

🤔

Perhaps

You cast Falling Quickly onto yourself

But uh what about saddle, then?

Cuz, that's the same thing but free

[dire loom]

i mean

it gives room for other mounts

if sabaton replaces it in hardmode

[cobalt pewter]

You're still forced to go into another hotbar to use it then

Fuck that, Slimy Saddle is still better

lmfao

[dire loom]

what if you made it a lore like thing

[hollow shell]

Indeed, Saddle's on a hotkey even

[dire loom]

where if you favorite it and double tap down it works

[hollow shell]

That would indeed be more convenient to use

[safe oasis]

slimy saddle erases wing flight time

if that counts

like even a quick toggle its fucking gone

[hollow shell]

Good to know

[crude geode]

Doesn’t particularly matter cuz you’ll land on a platform if you use slimy saddle and know what you’re doing

[dire loom]

thats if you’re prepared anough

hell, technically you could cover your world with platforms and just use wings and grapple around

but would it be worth it

[cobalt pewter]

Erasing flight time barely matters as a drawback for Slimy Saddle but ok

I generally wanna keep Sabaton an acc, but buffed to fuck so that it's actually worth an acc slot

[crude geode]

My point is mainly that slimy saddle’s downsides can be easily overruled. Wing time eaten? Plan around it by landing on a platform (which you probably plan on doing anyways with the higher velocity). Fall damage? Just unequip it a second before landing and glide. Uses mount slot? No other mount is really worth using in combat.

Like, are you more likely to use cute Fishron or slimy saddle against yharon

[hollow shell]

Even infinite flight mounts don't top your normal movement speed at a moment's notice
If they can top it, they usually have to be built up over long stretches
which is not possible in Yharon's or SCal's fight

Saddle's the only one that instantly changes your velocity so significantly

[crude geode]

Mounts just need to be give combat buffs so they’re actually viable in combat situations, giving you a buff vs. maneuverability debate. totally not referring to my own suggestion

Shrimpy Truffle is the only good mount

ping me with feedback if you have any

[analog talon]

brimrose

[distant vault]

unicorn

[grim tusk]

Alicorn

B e a n

also can we maybe reduce bean’s size, currently its not that worth using over slimy saddle due to its massive hitbox

or give it back the defense it lost, infini jump is patched and face tanking is gone next patch

[distant vault]

hopefully infini jump will never reappear

[safe oasis]

bring your hopes back down

i infinijumped with sulphuric set double jump once yesterday and cant recreate it so i don’t know how

[sleek turret]

that can happen

[safe oasis]

yes that is why kalamari’s hopes have been shot down

[distant vault]

(i meant for bean)

[safe oasis]

(no)

[crude geode]

People are allowed to hope a glitch stops reappearing

[distant vault]

Especially for the scale that was bean infini jump

[sand umbra]

the thing about mounts in Calamity is that mounts operate on the fundamental concept that you are going to do anything aside from fighting things and as such will have any use for mounts that aren't combat-optimized

virtually the entire post-ML segment of Calamity operates on the exact opposite fundamental which is that boss fights are your bread and butter

not only this, but Calamity's buffs to everything and insistence on having you use Calamity stuff over vanilla stuff along with a concerning amount of certain buffs to various opponents have ended up invalidating the vast majority of the mounts that in vanilla are actually usably decent (and yet somehow made the strongest ones even stronger because now there's no way to compete with them)

there's a reason that the only mount most people consistently use post-ML aside from the stupid fuckin' bean is Brimrose (and almost exclusively for invalidating Storm Weaver's entire fight)

[crude geode]

~~nerfing Laser Machine Gun ~~

byeah that is indeed the problem. That said, changing those fundamentals of Calamity isn't likely at all, at least not for a long time. So this is my solution for now

[tranquil perch]

Mechanical cart being as fast as alicorn:

[sand umbra]

mechanical cart is also a minecart

which, in a world of people that refuse to do actual work for their insane speed rather than just have it at the press of a button, makes it garbage by default

[tranquil perch]

It behaves like a mount

Can outrun deus lol

[sand umbra]

wrong, it behaves like a minecart

[tranquil perch]

I gotta test if it can outrun DoG

[sand umbra]

you have to spend a half hour setting it up like any other minecart strat, the only saving grace is that it can outrun everything because the vanilla developers assume you'll actually put in that time to make a minecart strat worth your while in the first place

which, in all fairness, is a reasonable design decision given how long it takes to set up minecart tracks

[tranquil perch]

How fast did unnerfed bumblebird mount go

[sand umbra]

hell if I know, honestly. I stopped playing consistently before ridable Bumblebitch got added

[tranquil perch]

editing bumblefuck to bumblebitch

[sand umbra]

(and I don't expect to be doing another Calamity playthrough for a decently long time, for a large number of reasons)

anywho what I'm tryin' to say is I hate bean on a fundamental level and if it weren't for the fact that it's dedicated I'd push for it being removed or reworked entirely

[crude geode]

What about frog leg

[sand umbra]

I hate Frog Leg too, but at least Frog Leg doesn't invalidate Yharon long before you fight him.

The moment you have the Suspicious Looking Jelly Bean, Yharon goes from "oh shit I'm about to get rolled by the final boss pog" to "yeah I can outrun this prick in a couple seconds" and all of his intimidation factor goes down the shitter in about half a second because it is a mount that lets you fall at about a quarter of the speed at which sound travels.

I know I've discussed this before, too, and my feelings have not changed since then.

tl;dr please make shit like Gaze of Crjyhlaksjrhteykljh and fuckin' uhhhh Cadence more relevant and/or nerf Bean, if I do another Calamity playthrough I wanna go into it knowing I have more than one option for mounts
thank you and good night

[tranquil perch]

Shield of cthulhu

[tawny garden]

the Gaze is just Alicorn but worse

[sand umbra]

bruh why does Gaze suck it's a Darksun-grade mount