Then they become op with it
See: Oracle
#suggestions-discussion
grim tusk
safe oasis
then just make yoyos viable on their own but have bag reduce yoyo damage to compensate for double yoyo
cobalt pewter
Hence the sugg
To rebalance Yoyo Glove / Bag effect
So that yoyos in HM onwards don't rely as much on them
hot zephyr
tbh
Yoyo accs are so few that it's pretty much a must even if you rebalanced it
~~That's why you put it into Elemental Gauntlet 
~~
ashen warren
is that a don't or something?
safe oasis
bot died btw
earnest cape
@native blade
dapper coral
that's not good
safe oasis
wrong amber moment
dapper coral
oh yeah
zenith hazel
I dm'd her
dapper coral
amber isn't amber anymore
earnest cape
tawny garden
MishiroUsuiDev
earnest cape
tawny garden
yey
eternal escarp
banner recipes arent calamity
prty sure its fargo mutant
also iirc you can buy them from the Wizard?
unreal viper
I thought so.
tawny garden
banner recipes arent calamity
@tidal sage ↑
eternal escarp
they removed that part already, but the other part i mentioned
tidal sage
wait u can?
distant gyro
what about the wizard
tawny garden
yeah
distant gyro
post golem
eternal escarp
yeah
tidal sage
lol
tawny garden
heh
crude geode
Will write up something more for it in a bit, but had an idea to turn Tenebris into an actual herb, possibly giving it some use in potions as well.
hollow shell
Seems interesting
crude geode
Isn’t DoG during laser wall like really fuckin weird
crude geode
tenebris confuses me as to what it is tbfh. Literally the only definition it has is "darkness".
dapper coral
this could be fun
crude geode
It also supports the whole nature goddess living in the abyss lore thing
dapper coral
lore is kinda in an uncertain place so that may or may not be the case
but i would say that this is pretty cool regardless
dapper coral
i was gonna say
wooden quartz
on an unrelated note, planter boxes
crude geode
I like looking between Thorium and Calamity to see what I can suggest for Calamity that Thorium does, such as planter boxes/better exploration. Byech, planter boxes quirky tbfh.
velvet locust
@crude geode so basically more potions?
crude geode
Could result in that. Moreso just more variety in Calamity aside from fighting boss/farming. Herbs are pretty unique.
velvet locust
im assuming that they will be buffed gills potions
could make sense
god why do i press enter when i only typed a fraction of the statement
as i was saying
it is not really needed
it could make sense that it is a herb, but it always seemed like a metal/crystal to me
crude geode
then why does it grow through planty mush.
velvet locust
i dont know
pine star
chlorophyte
crude geode
Chlorophyte is a unique case and is clearly a metal. Tenebris' only definition is "darkness"
Also chlorophyte and tenebris are (basically) on the same progression so it would kinda just make tenebris an inferior version if it is a metal.
crystal cedar
Maybe also add a tenebris planter you can find in the Space Arsenal lab
add it to the recipe for the gender change potion- if that’s an all-herb type deal
sleek turret
yeah basically an incentive for gardening which I like a lot.
weak field
onyx excavator but it's growing plants instead of diggy diggy hole
jovial spire
~~staff of regrowth upgrade when~~
staff if regrowth is powerful enough as it is, doesn't need an upgrade. when it needs tbh is a crafting recipe
crude geode
Agreed. That or a way to just guarantee a certain drop from crates
jovial spire
Maybe something like Bee Wax, Jungle Spores, Jungle Rose, and Vines
Would bee a good recipie for it
Would also ass a little extra incentive to do Queen Bee since ngl there isn't much reason to do it on-tier unless you're summoner
crude geode
Bee wax doesn’t make that much sense to me but yeah I can see it.
warm scarab
Maybe something like Bee Wax, Jungle Spores, Jungle Rose, and Vines
work for me i suppose 
analog talon
Would also ass a little extra incentive to do Queen Bee since ngl there isn't mu...
isn't honey dew made right after queen bee
jovial spire
Yeah but that's basically onyl useful in the jungle, and by the time she's dead, well
You probably don't need to explore much of the jungle anymore
crude geode
Idea: Use Honey and or Rogue Weapon
jovial spire
Only 1 hp per second
analog talon
Only 1 hp per second
1 hp/s 
jovial spire
I'd rather have like Pog Leg or Abyssal Amulet or something like that
crude geode
Use band of regen which gives a unique health regen buff instead, if you really care
jovial spire
yeah at that point it's basically just a really fancy band of regen
crude geode
That gets outclassed by a rogue weapon 
cobalt pewter
I mean, for something like brimmy's cocoon phase, that's free regen basically
Which is what I did one time
crude geode
I mean like, honey inside of bubble blocks accomplishes the same thing.
cobalt pewter
Bubbles are HM yes?
sleek turret
yeah basically that but atleast hp regen when needed or when you walkin'
honeycomb is basically swap to hotbar 2 or open inv and use it.
pine star
@gaunt pecan Specific Item suggestions are not allowed
earnest cape
read the "don'ts" doc pinned
ashen warren
I was halfway through reading that 
gaunt pecan
Yeah, that's on me
cerulean estuary
this is kind of an sis suggestion isn't it. Could be reworded and given a little more reasoning
gaunt pecan
I was halfway through reading that <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
Basically it was a datapad made by Draedon that updated with progression. it gave you no buffs, mainly about lore and how Draedon thinks of you during your adventure.
ashen warren
Ye that's very specific
gaunt pecan
Yeah
safe oasis
isnt that just boss lore items
gaunt pecan
isnt that just boss lore items
Originally that was my idea, since I thought they were being removed, but I was wrong so I changed it to be player-focused.
Plus, maybe my idea is already going to be added, afterall. it's a suggestion for an update that isn't even out yet so it might already be a thing.
guess I just got a bit overexcited.
cerulean estuary
I doubt that, however the thought of something showing draedon studying the player, maybe just a background tile thing like the screens referencing the terrarian would be a nice touch
gaunt pecan
Sorry guys, i'll pay more attention next time.
warm scarab
Basically it was a datapad made by Draedon that updated with progression. it gav...
i would sugg DA accessory
warm scarab
Sorry I am very stupid, you're gonna have to explain.
you get it
way too specific 
~~that's y i'm making it in my mod 
~~
gaunt pecan
Yeah. I just had an Idea and ran with it. I didn't really stop to think if it was actually in line with the "No specific" Rule.
I just find it amazing yet creepy to have this item that tracks you. With this random text telling about what it thinks of you.
warm scarab
analog talon
TemporaryTexture
imagine not spending 3 hours making a crappy texture before you even start on the item 
gaunt pecan
when I think of "Temporary Texture" i just think of a single coloured white and black checker cube
something like the GMOD textures without CS:Source installed.
analog talon
whenever I use a temporary texture it's always a highly compressed baldi head
nothing is more confusing than forgetting to make a new sprite and testing out a item then being greeted with baldi head
analog talon
it's the fargo blue thingy thing
mutant gift texture 
gaunt pecan
it's called :wtf: for some reason
Worthy The For
analog talon
Worthy The For
*Worthy The For
warm scarab
analog talon
Worthy The For mode when
dapper coral
can we not go offtopic please
gaunt pecan
sorry
brazen pier
If anybody discusses my idea, @ me so I can see the feedback
safe oasis
@brazen pier should prob remove the "that i can think of" part, indecisiveness is usually not good in a sugg
analog talon
ye remove the "that i can think of", neither moon has any pre-DoG modded content
crude geode
cobalt pewter
To be frank that's a comically small amount of content
crude geode
still is content
Additionally, I don't really think Pumpkin and Frost Moon need more content. Post-Plantera already has a shit ton of gear, and there's at minimum something for every class (besides rogue and something for Summoner in Frost Moon) in each event.
Would just feel like bloat.
There's 7 weapons in Frost, and 6 weapons in Pumpkin (will be 7 with the Dark Harvest in 1.4). Already a decent amount for an event when most classes typically get one thing each from an event.
crude geode
Meanwhile, during this point in progression, you have the
Astral Drops Post-Aureus
Post-Aureus
Sand Shark Drops
Anahita and Levi drops
Solar Eclipse actually dropping things
Dungeon gear
Perennial Bars
warm scarab
post DoG moons are just stat bloat
crude geode
mhm indeed.
cobalt pewter
Meanwhile Frost Legion:
crude geode
If vanilla can't be bothered to do something with it's own event, why should calamity bother.
brazen pier
Frost Legion, the one true F tier event
I mean I'd argue that an underdeveloped vanilla feature is perfect for Calamity to expand upon but ok
crude geode
see my critique above btw @brazen pier
crude geode
Additionally, I don't really think Pumpkin and Frost Moon need more content. Pos...
mainly this stuff and below
brazen pier
I mean I'd argue that an underdeveloped vanilla feature is perfect for Calamity ...
I was referring to the Frost Legion with this
crude geode
I'm aware ye
crude geode
To be frank that's a comically small amount of content
also also like. it is a small amount of content, but Calamity only adds three weapons to martian invasion. One of them is a meme (nullification pistol), one of them is blegh (wingman), and one is rogue support.
cobalt pewter
True
crude geode
If the suggestion were about adding rogue weapons to the frost/pumpkin moons, I'd actually support that heavily
Gives rogues a reason to do the events
cobalt pewter
True rogue doesn't have much of a reason to do these iirc
crude geode
but adding more to frost/pumpkin moon just because calamity doesn't add anything is kinda. eh reasoning to me, when there already is a ton of options at that point in progression.
(arguably too many options)
brazen pier
I was pretty vague in the suggestion
I assumed rogue gear went without saying as an add-on; in my experience that's the most common form of add-on there is
crude geode
imo you should focus your sugg around that instead of bloating post-plant/pre-golem with more options. Focus on the fact that rogue doesn't get anything from those events, while they do get something from most other vanilla events such as HM Goblin Invasion and Martian Madness.
brazen pier
got it
analog talon
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Holiday_Halberd
I always thought that was a vanilla item 
crude geode
brazen pier
Now that I've said what I will about the moon events, I feel I should also say I like the Holiday Halberd a lot
cept I never use it cause it's very forgettable due to being in the most overly cluttered part of progression :/
crude geode
Post-Plant Pre-Golem is cluttered? Have you heard of
Post Golem
brazen pier
I mean all around Golem
crude geode
indeed. Anything Post-Plant/Pre-ML is mushed together.
brazen pier
God how many things do you have to do like right in that small period? You've got multiple ores, three events, about 534 bosses....
crude geode
2 bosses
Golem and Cultist
that said, don't worry about a suggestion regarding it.
already known about and will be fixed...eventually™️
brazen pier
soon™️
dapper coral
i think post DoG moons need more content
i will say that post-DoG events have some stuff planned in the far future that will be super duper awesome and epic and cool
by far future i mean like, in many™️ updates from now, but it is (probably) happening regardless
so just know that something is going to happen and they won't remain stat bloat forever
languid quartz
isn't it smth smth pocket dimension?
where after doggo dies he opens a portal to funny other dimension where you kill enemies to get the energies and mine cosmolite ore
languid quartz
dapper coral
it's gonna be awesome
marble hazel
warm scarab
isn't it smth smth pocket dimension?
tawny garden
dapper coral
@unique shore please read the doc in the pins, no new classes are allowed to be suggested
unique shore
My bad. I did read over it but I must have missed it.
dapper coral
no worries
crystal iron
That would be kinda hard to maintain I think, I Eman theres a lot of active ppl I assume
But idk
cobalt pewter
Is it really necessary?
tawny garden
no
crystal cedar
not necessary- it would just be nice to have i think
eternal escarp
is it really necessary?
feedzuh, a mere moment ago
also, it doesnt really have a reason to be a thing tbh, and would just be wierd in larger servers
tawny garden
there are 27 (28 if #wiki-basic counts) public channels
eternal escarp
also just saying it will prolly be 60% hage, 20% calamity circlejerks, maybe 5% funny dev mentions and the rest will be utter random
tawny garden
thing is
if somebody said smth really funny, chances are that it's gonna be pinned
(unless it's in a more serious channel)
crystal cedar
that's true
eternal escarp
(unless it's in a more serious channel)
in most cases people move it to another channel iirc
and pin it there
tawny garden
Brav, gg on repeating what I said
sleek turret
or just archive pins
zenith hazel
it's back
tawny garden
\o/
hollow shell
"This sounds good, but if you get hit by a projectile a third time, the boost no longer applies."
Is this true?
hollow shell
I'm not seeing anything like that in the source
unreal viper
I'll try with dog lazers.
unreal viper
Dart trap is a better idea.
hollow shell
(maybe Super Dart Trap so the difference is more noticeable)
crude geode
I’ve never thought of that effect as that great to be honest. Most bosses have more than one projectile (unless it’s dog) so the effect just sounds like it would constantly be swapping resistance.
hollow shell
It'd prolly be good if the reduction was much higher
crude geode
Yeah
hollow shell
Or, each projectile you get hit by gets added to a list of stuff you resist
So you can keep building up your resistances the more you get hit
crude geode
Vanilla worms scarf does better than it
hollow shell
(but in order to get there you need to get hit by a buncha stuff)
crude geode
The resistance needs to be buffed a ton tbfh
unreal viper
I do agree.
crude geode
Most damage reduction accessories outclass it, without needing you to get hit first to activate them
unreal viper
No clear conclusion so far.
how much damage does super dart trap do? Wiki says 80, I assume expert would double it.
hollow shell
It should.
I don't know if that 80 already accounts for Terraria's shitty internal proj damage doubling feature
Does it look like you're getting hit for 320 damage?
unreal viper
No.
hollow shell
Aight then, it already accounts for that, ok
unreal viper
But it's more than 160.
hollow shell
Fuck
unreal viper
200 seems to be more of the average.
hollow shell
Fuck.
unreal viper
Does rev do anything?
hollow shell
Just disable Rev instead of making me search
unreal viper
good point
hollow shell
I searched anyway. Yes, it does. It buffs Super Dart Trap projs by 20%, among other projs
unreal viper
That makes thing easier for me.
The wiki seems to be right, but it's still not completely clear.
crude geode
Doesn’t worm scarf get nerfed by calamity btw?
hollow shell
It does get nerfed yes.
Also really? The projectile gets reset after you get hit with the reduced value?
crude geode
Wow that sucks
hollow shell
It seems like it sets itself to whatever projectile you get hit by, every time you do the reflect (50% chance)
with nothing existing to reset it
crude geode
That’s weird
warm scarab
@unreal viper 2 regen = 20 health regenerated after 10 sec
hollow shell
Not in Terraria.
earnest cape
code™️
hollow shell
1 life regen = 1/2 HP restored per second
sleek turret
2 points of regen (stats), 1 effective regen per second.
safe oasis
the thing is that tooltips are real inconsistent
sometimes they say 2 regen per second and other times it says 2 hp/s
very easily confusing
cobalt pewter
So yes, the DR effect is only on the next hit of the same type of projectile
Not sure if getting hit by a different projectile after deflecting resets it, but it's worth taking a look
hollow shell
Aight spoilers, cuz I asked dev
Evolution is getting changed for 1.5
(Awaiting confirmation on what extent I can reveal about it)
crude geode
@unreal viper ^
warm scarab
1 life regen = 1/2 HP restored per second
Wtf
so that means
i only have 50 regen per sec if i have 100 regen
safe oasis
yes
warm scarab
Code™️
safe oasis
well it depends on what the tooltip says
if it says 100 hp/s regen its 100 hp/s
if its 100 regen then its 50 hp/s
unreal viper
Delete.
hollow shell
You can hold onto it for whenever 1.5 comes out
crude geode
two suggs in posting
hot zephyr
Hey look, it's Luxor's Gift 2!
pine star
Maybe just change it to "stealth strikes are doubled"?
fossil finch
@cobalt pewter iirc
Idunno
Sugg bout stealth=ping feedza for me
Bout the sugg, ye pog
Trinket of Chi is unbelievably useless so this is fine indeed
Ignoring the whole getting it part
It would make it usable
hollow shell
(aight I got permission. @unreal viper 1.5 spoilers: ||Arcanum and Evolution are going to be a part of the dodge cooldown rework mentioned in #changelogs. Instead of Arcanum healing you post-hit and Evolution not doing that for some reason, they are both turning to dodges, and being given cooldowns instead of RNG.||)
cobalt pewter
Basically what I had for Chi is to basically make it a stealth rogue counterpart to Fungal Symbiote, increasing stealth damage and reworking the Chi buff:
- Toggled by holding DOWN
- Reduces movement speed and jump speed while active
- Increases stealth regen while active
Again, might be a bit specific, so why I'm a bit hesitant in posting it here
cobalt pewter
ssh
remote crystal
Thoughts on the cryonic ore from slush suggestion?
safe oasis
eh
silt and slush dont give hardmode ores after wof
so it doesnt really make sense if they dropped cryonic ore
fossil finch
Just kill slimes iirc
it is valid idk
unreal viper
Trinket of chi does deserve a change, although I really like it currently for undisclosed reasons.
hollow shell
This is a fine suggestion Owl
I was going to say that crates should be mentioned...
but there is no ice crate
For some weird reason
(in 1.3 that is)
remote crystal
My thought process was
Fossil gives am exclusive ore
Silt is the most common since it's literally everywhere
What does slush get? Nothing. Lets change that
safe oasis
make trinket of chi work with summons
boom amazing accessory made
unreal viper
For what reasons
Worm.
cobalt pewter
m
warm scarab
any ideas on my sugg
warm scarab
I was going to say that crates should be mentioned...
but there is no ice crate
there is no ice crate indeed
warm scarab
safe oasis
this is literally just the same problem with a different word
reword the title as a whole
hollow shell
Did you mean "precise"?
warm scarab
perhaps
hollow shell
("concise" means shorter)
warm scarab
safe oasis
why do meld materials even drop as blobs anyway
warm scarab
^
safe oasis
no other fragment needs to be crafted into a more compressed version
warm scarab
that as well
hollow shell
Because Meld is Special ✨
warm scarab
no other fragment needs to be crafted into a more compressed version
i think it's because progression lock...? dunno
whole sedge
Yeah I don't really see how the meld blob is that bad really when it's kinda entire purpose is to not be a pillar but still being pillar related so it's pre-ml
and yeah i'd say remove it's compression thing but that's kinda it
fossil finch
Lore wise they are pretty nice and making the change makes it worse
So i don't like it while it's not necessary
warm scarab
Because Meld is Special ✨
or that
safe oasis
i think it's because progression lock...? <:deepthonk:382928152751767552> dunno
you make it with the lunar station thing
fossil finch
Also what rover said
safe oasis
- Make murky sludge crafted with vanilla materials(like gel + mud at water or something similar) instead of dropped
- Make murky paste crafted from mud, vines and other vanilla jungle materials instead of dropped
feel like these could be combined into one thing
to shorten it a bit
hollow shell
This suggestion has a point to it, but...
"Make murky paste crafted from mud, vines and other vanilla jungle materials instead of dropped"
"Make murky sludge crafted with vanilla materials(like gel + mud at water or something similar) instead of dropped"
I can't help but feel like these are just pushing the problem somewhere else
warm scarab
there
warm scarab
This suggestion has a point to it, but...
"Make murky paste crafted from mud, vi...
imma edit that
hollow shell
Alright
cobalt pewter
Meld is weird
Tbh
Might as well make a separate rogue fragment because the way Meld works is inconsistent
It's used for rogue stuff yet it's also meant for all class also what
warm scarab
meld is unrelated to frags i suppose
it's mainly for rogue
but there's other stuff as well
because it's not a class specific lunar frag
cobalt pewter
Being ✨ s p e c i a l ✨ doesn't allow it to be inconsistent
warm scarab
^
i agree
but
it's special what do you expect
lemmi post my sugg on bandit stuff
cobalt pewter
If you really want all class stuff, use Galactica Singularity instead of Meld? Idk
warm scarab
Buff Bandit's weapons except gel dart and celestial reaper
The weapons bandit sell is quite weak compared to everything else on tier, altho there are unique ones like sylvan slasher, it's damage is still very weak compared to other rogue weapons on tier. on the other hand, gel darts and celestial reaper is not bad compared to other things on tier(gel dart is pretty stronk actually). Giving other bandit weapons a buff would make them more noticeable and serve an actual purpose rather than filling the shop page up
warm scarab
If you really want all class stuff, use Galactica Singularity instead of Meld? I...
galactica singularity is meant for post ml
cobalt pewter
Galactica Singularity is literally a combination of all frags
dapper coral
@warm scarab no balancing suggs for the time being, read the pins
warm scarab
ok i suppose
warm scarab
<@!734682139202682881> no balancing suggs for the time being, read the pins
which one are you referring to
my bandit weapon sugg?
dapper coral
yes
warm scarab
ah ok
crude geode
meld is just
is and isn't the fifth pillar, used for empyrean armor but also for other class weapons
Just make it drop from Astral enemies at night post-cultist or during the pillar event.
cobalt pewter
Meld is ✨ s p e c i a l ✨
wooden quartz
Calam adds weapons that use fragments not of their class.
wooden quartz
~~also Galactica Singularities ~~
crude geode
not as much as meld blobs. also galactica singularities are a convenience item
warm scarab
how does the new sugg look
cobalt pewter
whole sedge
yeah what feedzuh said
earnest cape
@warm scarab ^
warm scarab
warm scarab
"thing"
earnest cape
warm scarab
i mean DA stuff is very unique
who'd imagine calamity making chargable weapons
~~and who'd imagine me making chargable armor and accessories ~~
frail mantle
nobody
warm scarab
hollow shell
The BP rework is indeed unique and I haven't seen it done in Terraria before
It's been done in other games, but not here
cobalt pewter
Oh, Ozza plans on doing the Blood Pact `thing` this update?
What thing 
frail mantle
the thing
earnest cape
it.
cobalt pewter
epic
crude geode
I can't believe BP is going to become a waifu gacha machine
hollow shell
Blood Waifu 😳
warm scarab
😳
frail mantle
i cannot believe Calamity has become a gacha game, i *cannot* believe Calamity has become a gacha game. How could you have done this, how could you have become a gacha game?
earnest cape
cclamity becomes p2w
crude geode
~~it was. not for the time being, but it will return to p2w ~~
warm scarab
`i cannot believe Calamity has become a gacha game, i *cannot* believe Calamity ...
*cannot*
distant vault
hdflr
frail mantle
`*cannot*` <:ech:636958034748375042>
yes
crude geode
anyways, offtopic moment
hollow shell
Who am I? What am I?
earnest cape
you are suggralose
distant vault
mr sugma
hollow shell
"mr" 😠
Anyway yeah offtopic
I wasn't awake when RAMEN's quote channel sugg got posted
but I have to assume it was met with divisive feedback
Cuz imo it'd be a terrible idea
That kinda stuff should be reserved for private friend group servers
hollow shell
Wow
earnest cape
wow indeed
hollow shell
Mostly a joke cuz I never make a big deal out of pronouns
but gender-neutral is what I usually prefer
frail mantle
suggestions entity
earnest cape
suggestion gender
crude geode
What’s in your pants?
The holy don’ts google doc
earnest cape
crude geode
Isn’t this whole quotes thing the reason pins in general exist
hollow shell
Yeah I also wanted to mention
Pins serve that purpose on occasion
Like half the pins in gen-talk are just quote memes
earnest cape
indeed
crude geode
except for the boss progression thing Byeah
@crystal cedar You should at least consider the convo above.
tawny garden
suggestion gender
My gender is Wiki Administrator.
earnest cape
it's both 
crude geode
Can we, like, not.
muted osprey
I have seen two suggs with 200 stars
super dummy debuff showing on top of them and clentaminator upgrade
hollow shell
Well there's been more than that recently. Here's some more:
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
tawny garden
jaja
muted osprey
L
warm scarab
My Umbraphile upgrade sugg might be stuck in devmocracy hell instead
devmocracy
frail mantle
yes that is indeed what the dev voting channel is named
earnest cape
teror
crude geode
I have no idea what your original nickname on this server is when I first joined and at that point I don’t think there is an original name. Just an eternally changing entity
Wacky
frail mantle
90% of the time i will either have God of Dead Memes as a username or you'll be able to tell who i am by my name
crude geode
indeed
earnest cape
idneed
crude geode
mounts bad devs pls fix
crude geode
How about making them actually different from their swung counterparts instead of making them just “tool but looks different”
Also why is this a calamity problem
@cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
How about making them actually different from their swung counterparts instead o...
Like?
crude geode
Like, giving them a charge that means they’re faster than a pickaxe of the same tier, but have to be recharged like draedon gear.
crude geode
I mean does the charge mechanic mean less people use draedon Arsenal weapons?
urban bough
Feedzuh is talking about just buffing them, and i don't think drills should have to be charged
crude geode
I think they should, so that way they are actually distinct from pickaxes, instead of just being pickaxes, but different looking
hardy dock
They don't really need to be different
urban bough
but isn't that the point, they are just different pickaxes
hardy dock
1.4 carved out a niche for them already
crude geode
Is calamity in 1.4?
hardy dock
It will be
crude geode
Yes but it isn’t right now, which is why this suggestion exists
hardy dock
There isn't really a need to change them, and not many vanilla features have changes as big as charging
urban bough
^
urban bough
?
crude geode
Oh good lord I read this suggestion wrong 
hardy dock
crude geode
tbfh like...I don’t really see the point of it. If I wanna kill something I swap off my tool to shoot it and then go back to mining.
Or have a summon
earnest cape
ye
crude geode
Also calamity adds a single hardmode drill so I hardly see this as a calamity problem
cobalt pewter
True, but those aside, consider howyou can just yoink enemies off pickaxes while you're minding you're business
Not only you'd need to get off mining to attack anything with drills, their kb is also super negligible
earnest cape
aren't pickaxe knockback also bad
hardy dock
It's not really terrible
hardy dock
But a little low
earnest cape
so bad
crude geode
So if you’re mining down, a pickaxe could hit something to the side/above, while a drill can only hit below you.
hardy dock
Not that bad
earnest cape
indeed
crude geode
Calamity adds a single drill and jackhammer, one of which is a meme. Also, alternate solutions exist such as
- using a summon weapon
- using spawn rate decreasing items
- pressing [hotbar # for weapon number] left clicking, and then [tool hotbar #]
crystal iron
Ik I'm not one to talk but that doesn't seem exactly like a good reason cuz pickaxes, or rather, tools aren't supposed to be combat orientated I don't think
crystal iron
Oh, never heard of that weapon sorry
crude geode
It’s unique yeah
Byech it’s more about the comparison between drills and pickaxes
and just getting something off you
crystal iron
I think a better idea would be to make them have different mining abilities, for example jackhammers would be the strongest out of the hammers
Chainsaws would be the quickest etc etc
crude geode
Once again though, how is this calamity’s problem to solve
@cobalt pewter any response to this? Because I don’t know why this should specifically be a calamity thing, when calamity has almost no drills or jackhammers, and no chainsaws
(Drills do that, mining faster but having lower range, in JE at least)
tawny garden
He had to think for about 10 minutes to come to the conclusion
cobalt pewter
I was busy
tawny garden
Thing is, Calamity doesn't seem to care about drills that much
crude geode
busy rambling in draedon update talk
earnest cape
tawny garden
crystal cedar
<@742787604553924659> You should at least consider the convo above.
fair enough
earnest cape
ah yes
all that hard work in balancing
all comes down to the fate of a config toggle
it's rebalanced for a reason
safe oasis
this comes back to "oh shit i made a bad suggestion, better make it a toggle so i dont get witch hunted"
crude geode
Balance toggles aren’t a thing and will pretty much never be a thing.
go play another mod if you don’t like it
zenith hazel
yeah this will likely never be a thing
crude geode
@north glen see above
tawny garden
"yeah, add a way to make the mod piss easy and broken and unfun"
fossil finch
Chloro bullets unnerfed
crude geode
Mhm
hardy dock
I don't see the point in nerfing chloro bullets tbh
They don't do much damage already
earnest cape
wh
they do very good damage for something that has extremely good homing, most of the time always hitting the target
and high velocity you still have to aim unlike chloro
hardy dock
Even on a shotgun, most bosses are big enough the you can easily hit them with a better bullet type
earnest cape
besides the point
tawny garden
anyway, @north glen if you want the mod to be really easy, go play Normal Mode, or if you want it to be really difficult, go play Death Mode
Cause I don't see why else you'd want the mod to be unbalanced
earnest cape
the sugg got ❗ nice
zenith hazel
or play some other mod that capitalizes on shitty vanilla balancing
hardy dock
besides the point
I'd argue not, because if you can hit the boss for better damage without the homing, and given they're pretty expensive, Chloro bullet's don't rly deserve a nerf
tawny garden
If you want a specific item's/npc's/mechanic's balancing to be looked at again, go ask a Tester
(Someone with the <@&580087475980992523> role)
crude geode
I love how this was a ding dong ditch suggestion as well
tawny garden
Ye lol
earnest cape
I'd argue not, because if you can hit the boss for better damage without the hom...
well yeah that is extremely obvious since you need to actually pay attention to the boss and aim while chloro bullets are just consistent damage with "everything in that general direction dies"
the bullets are also very fast, the homing is extremely good
anyhow off topic move channels
tawny garden
Caltalk
earnest cape
inded
hardy dock
What is with this server and chlorophyte today
unreal viper
bruh
cobalt pewter
probs the last few changelogs
hardy dock
Yeah
wraith rock
@north glen cal is cringe, I am moving on
earnest cape
?
wraith rock
This is disquistong
karmic creek
I really like the idea of configs actually
this mod is trying to become its own thing way too hard at this point
just turn it into a game
earnest cape
read the "don'ts" doc.
crude geode
trying
It is it’s own thing. Nobody said you had to play the mod. That’s why it’s a mod.
karmic creek
a "mod" is a "modification"
frail mantle
yes
karmic creek
not a "complete change"
frail mantle
Calamity modifies the base game
karmic creek
by tearing it apart and creating something completely different
wraith rock
by tearing it apart and creating something completely different
This
crude geode
Nobody is tying you down and forcing you to play this mod. If you don’t enjoy what it does, you can go play something else. Or even the base game.
safe oasis
ruined by balancing?
wraith rock
reminds me of old fortnite
crude geode
wraith rock
ruined by balancing?
you call that BALANCING?
frail mantle
yes
wraith rock
thats it I am leaving
frail mantle
bye
crude geode
Okay
karmic creek
How is removing the ability to mine demon altars balancing?
karmic creek
Not just 'go play different mod'.
Agree
earnest cape
i thought the community had a brain to process the context and the message and not go ape brain and say "wow this community is bad cause 2 people went against you"
fossil finch
agree
warm scarab
not a "complete change"
modification have scales
a large scal modification = complete change
do you even logic
floral cloud
Well, the fact that people say to play a different mod and not just ask for some way to play this one the way they want to...
frail mantle
aight we don't need to ad hominem
crude geode
Mhm
floral cloud
Calamity doesn't have to worry about pleasing people, I suppose.
It has a large enough fanbase.
frail mantle
calamity balances around itself because vanilla balancing is fuckin stupid
floral cloud
What makes it stupid?
earnest cape
it's based
karmic creek
this isn't twitter
safe oasis
its extremely unbalanced
floral cloud
Excuse me?
karmic creek
use english
safe oasis
ah yes insult the grammar, that clearly helps your point
crude geode
Sir this is discord, it’s still social media.
warm scarab
stop the arguement
fossil finch
It is annoying and does not handle itself correctly, so calamity's trying to go over it
karmic creek
ah yes, insult the fact that I wasnt going after any grammar at all
warm scarab
or i'm calling brav
floral cloud
ah yes insult the grammar, that clearly helps your point
What makes vanilla balancing stupid?
It's extremely unbalanced.
zenith hazel
what's going on?
frail mantle
arguing
safe oasis
discussing vanilla balance
crude geode
Bait occurred
floral cloud
Discussing vanilla balance, yes.
karmic creek
none of this was bait
floral cloud
What's bait?
karmic creek
saying something super stupid in order to get people talking
earnest cape
i feel this has gone too far off topic
fossil finch
anyways if you wanna discuss a little how much you dislike hm minerals change go to #calamity-update-talk because as far as im aware that is your concern
earnest cape
3x
warm scarab
^
zenith hazel
yes, get back to talking about suggs
floral cloud
Which channel for discussing vanilla balance?
safe oasis
#general-talk or something
earnest cape
not here that's for sure
warm scarab
gen talk i suppose
floral cloud
That's why I'm asking.
frail mantle
#calamity-mod-talk is probably best for discussing vanilla balance
crude geode
@warm scarab
A) You don’t need chlorophyte for that many things
B) Growing is incredibly powerful if you give it time
warm scarab
thing is
"if you give it time"
not many ppl can afford that much time
i'm talking about my sugg
floral cloud
I know, sorry.
crude geode
Mhm Anyways
safe oasis
why not just speed up growth rate
safe oasis
i dont think you get chloro from any crates
safe oasis
i see the issue but there are better ways of fixing it basically
like speed up growth rate, make plant just drop it directly
make it drop from crates or something
crude geode
I have yet to see why you need that much chlorophyte that an entire jungle worth of it isn’t enough
cobalt pewter
Fun Fact: you can make Chlorophyte ore farm, unlike other ores
!wiki tgc: Chlorophyte ore
red stormBOT
crude geode
chloro bullet user
If you want to use the funny braindead bullet, put in the work for it
north glen
I had to go for a bit so I'll try to sum up my thoughts to everything
Essentially, I download a mod to play the mod over the base game. If the mod changes the base game too, it should be an option. I acknowledge that a lot of work was put into it, but that doesn't entail that I have to like all of it.
Some of the difficulty stuff is ok too, I'll admit, but like
Making summoner the only class that's not allowed to dual-class? A bit far.
Maybe some people like it which is why I'm suggesting a config that could be on by default
but I personally don't
safe oasis
ok think of it like this, right
tawny garden
The summoner penalty has bothered many of us
safe oasis
calamity adds many new tiers and weapons in between bosses and other tiers
if you were to follow vanilla progression
robust lava
No other class can "dual class" in the same way that summoner can though. Melee, Ranged, Mage and Rogue have to have their weapons out to deal damage. Summoner doesn't
safe oasis
you would just use the same weapon through all of the tiers
making the new tiers essentially pointless
crude geode
Summoner is a supplement for your damage in vanilla. Not dual class.
fossil finch
a bad one because iframes iirc
north glen
No other class can "dual class" in the same way that summoner can though. Melee,...
If a mage runs out of mana they can switch to a gun while their mana regens
If a ranger runs out of ammo they can switch to proj. melee
and so on
a summoner is stuck with nothing but minions
tawny garden
No other class can "dual class" in the same way that summoner can though. Melee,...
Thomas suggested the penalty to be swapped
robust lava
I remember that sugg
north glen
making the new tiers essentially pointless
I... don't see how that's relevant
This is suggesting that Calamity attempt to implement itself as best as it can in what's already there, rather than altering it in its own favor
If you're going to weaken a vanilla set just so that yours is better, that's just pointless
actually incentive the player with a properly-balanced set
crude geode
That would require rebalancing the whole mod to vanilla, which in 1.3 is not balanced and in 1.4 is also not balanced. Several weapons/armors can just carry you across major stretches of the game, which is boring.
safe oasis
razorpine to moonlord baby
or better yet, daedelus to golem
you're seeing the issue now, yeah
crude geode
Additionally, the whole mod is undergoing balancing to smoothen th experience as a whole. The balance changes are necessary so the player can’t just use meteor armor and space gun (a pre-boss combo, for example’s sake) to kill the final boss of hardmode.
north glen
go play another mod if you don’t like it
Now this is just a bad mentality .-.
At least try to reach a middle ground
north glen
Additionally, the whole mod is undergoing balancing to smoothen th experience as...
Maybe it is broken, but again - have that be a config that's on by default. Most people probably won't bother with it and will leave it on so that's great, but the point is let that be their choice.
Personally I'd leave most of the current rebalances on, just turning off the ones that I really don't like such as the summoner nerf
because I don't care that much and actually like some of them.
crude geode
or play some other mod that capitalizes on shitty vanilla balancing
Tbh, I would like to mention that this is one of the developers responses to this suggestion.
safe oasis
not sure how brav being a dev is relevant but 👍
crude geode
Mainly Bc it shows mentality towards this type of change
Vanilla balancing is just not good in the dev’s eyes
north glen
Whether it's overpowered or not is debatable but you guys keep missing the point
My point, again is what is the problem with that balancing being the player's choice?
safe oasis
that's flawed on a fundamental level
you can just toggle off all the nerfs, keep the buffs, become overpowered and ruin your own game experience
might as well get cheat sheet at that point and toggle god mode for that epic vanilla balance vibe
fossil finch
If you put it that way, you are basically asking why can't all games let you modify the stats of every enemy, weapon, and ability
crystal iron
Wouldn't making a config like that literally break the game
eternal escarp
would basically ruin the progression/balance depends on the config
crude geode
Players shouldn’t have the choice of making balancing decisions for a mod.
eternal escarp
for example, if you turn off summoner config, you most likely ruined all of the balance related to the summoner progression in calamity
warm scarab
^
crystal iron
Also, a lot of balance changes are tied to death/revengance so just play expert/normal
unreal viper
Yeah, like removing gear swap. Although that's kinda still a thing for a couple of items.
fossil finch
Also, a lot of balance changes are tied to death/revengance so just play expert/...
They are not
crude geode
If they are they’re getting changed as well
unreal viper
think that wasm ostly changed
crystal iron
It is getting changed but since that sugg isn't getting implemented this is a temporary solution, kinda
crude geode
Tbfh, since this suggestion is exclaimed, there’s not a whole lot else to discuss. They’re not going to realistically change anyone’s opinion, and I doubt they will adjust their suggestion at all.
zealous ridge
Ultimately I don’t think it’s up to the players in general to decide the scope of the calamity mod, the developers should be in control of this fully and if changes are not enjoyed Calamity does not have to cater to everyone. This can, and often is, the inherent issue with configs in games if done poorly, players feel entitled to an experience made for them when the game’s existence is not built around that as a given truth.
Hence, I feel this suggestion is unrealistic. It’s likely it will just be deleted, regardless, but this was what I have to say
tawny garden
I sometimes wonder if the 24 hour waiting period is too long
zealous ridge
If calamity was more directed towards large amounts of configuration of mechanics, then this suggestion would be more in the scope of what calamity is willing to do. But this suggestion, crosses that boundary
crude geode
I sometimes wonder if the 24 hour waiting period is too long
too long for what
cobalt pewter
Posting
crude geode
I believe Feedzuh meant it as in a “get off me” thing.
unreal viper
honestly, it's nice just being abke to get enemies off of you easilt
zealous ridge
I guess it is, but like, the fuck, you know?
I see their faster speed and lack of defensive measures as the trade off compared to pickaxes
crude geode
#suggestions-discussion message
My final response on the matter, and feedzuh’s reaction
safe oasis
drills are slower tho wdym faster speed
zealous ridge
And, in hardmode, it’s not like a pickaxe is even going to do much to enemies anyways
well, in 1.3 yeah they’re slower
I just mean in consideration of 1.4
in which case they mine faster, from what I’ve seen
zealous ridge
yeah I don’t know
Just from a balance perspective, I see it as such an odd suggestion
It feels like shrimp balance
analog talon
drills are slower tho wdym faster speed
In 1.4 they have less range but are faster than pickaxes
tawny garden
my suggestions channel
safe oasis
oh
analog talon
> my suggestions channel
angery communism noises
zealous ridge
> my suggestions channel
Yea imagine claiming a public discord channel as yours
safe oasis
im renting it rn its mine
zealous ridge
suggestion joint ownership
crude geode
im renting it rn its mine
Understandable, have a nice 24 hour period before you go into voting yourself
tawny garden
you can rent a channel by becoming an admin
frail mantle
tawny garden
☭
analog talon
I just don’t see why this is in my calamity suggestions channel
☭☭☭ communism ☭☭☭
tawny garden
no
zealous ridge
Ok either way wacky as fuck
crude geode
Indeed
safe oasis
(this is sugg chat)
unreal viper
As a minimod, I agree.
north glen
Honestly I think we should let the suggestion run its course and let the voters decide, since this debate is obviously going to stay very split
@zenith hazel I read the rules before suggesting and I don’t see anything with mine that breaks it, so what’s wrong with it?
zenith hazel
the problem is that it's never going to be a thing
north glen
But ahh
How do you know that 🤔
zenith hazel
the vanilla rebalances were set in stone for a reason, we're not adding a toggle just to switch them off
crystal iron
But ahh
How do you know that 🤔
He's a dev
crude geode
Perhaps because he’s a dev
north glen
One of many
If it’s true that nobody agrees then at least let me be wrong and not see the vote count go up
safe oasis
even if it magically reaches 200 stars its instantly getting rejected by the devs either way
north glen
The suggestion breaks no rules and therefore should at least be ran
crude geode
Some people might agree with you, and some people just might want funny op Daedalus stormbow.
crystal iron
The suggestion breaks no rules and therefore should at least be ran
Just cuz it doesn't break rules doesn't mean it can't be rejected
Many good suggs have been rejected by Devs so this one is more than likely to meet the same fate
north glen
Then let it be rejected
crystal iron
Or supposedly good suggs
zenith hazel
then there's no point letting it go into voting to prevent it drowning out previous suggestions
eternal escarp
Any truers in the chat
, there
cobalt pewter
factual
north glen
Not running it just because “oh it’ll probably be rejected” despite not breaking rules sets a very bad precedent
tawny garden
he has a point
eternal escarp
if it will get rejected its practically going to be a waste of time
north glen
imo
north glen
if it will get rejected its practically going to be a waste of time
then let it?
safe oasis
what
if you want it to be rejected by devs so bad, consider it already rejected
as brav rejected it
problem solved
crude geode
It getting 200 stars isn’t going to magically change the devs’ opinion. Still gonna be rejected.
north glen
If it was rejected, it would be in voting. It’s still in posting because there’s a rule issue that doesn’t exist.
But anyway, this is going nowhere. I’ve said what I have to say and why the system rules should be run; do what you will and let your rep reflect it.
crystal iron
Your sugg has an exclam it isn't going to voting
So it's rejected, until you change ut
It*
crude geode
Rules aren’t the only reason that a sugg can be exclaimed
safe oasis
this is going in circles, lets just stop
crude geode
Mhm
safe oasis
let him do whatever
north glen
The exclaim just means “issue.” You refuse to state an issue other than that nobody likes it.
safe oasis
we've brought up several issues with it
that you chose to ignore and focused on the minor thing being that it got rejected
zealous ridge
The issue is that you’re suggesting something with a large scope and a lot of changes that people can’t fully agree on
north glen
🤷♂️ People don’t agree with the changes to begin with
zealous ridge
This is something discussed a lot in the suggestions discussion channel, and if it’s not on the doc maybe it should be
crude geode
Actually, exclaiming means
“The suggestion had a problem that must be corrected before it can be sent to #suggestions-voting. Once the suggestion is edited to fix the problem, this reaction is removed.”
north glen
The one other problem I’m seeing is that it would break balancing
which imo is an opinion but alright. Balancing changed with 1.4 anyway.
zealous ridge
Regardless of the changes being suggested, on an inherent level it’s scope is too broad and tries to cover too many bases for anyone to really feel good about giving a simple yes-no desision. This is why it would not work in posting, and there has been a TON of precedent for suggestions being deleted on grounds like this.
as a suggestion, it will likely not get to posting
safe oasis
The one other problem I’m seeing is that it would break balancing
which imo is a...
mmmyes balancing is an opinion
crystal iron
I can se why ppl think it's an opinion
zealous ridge
That is how the channel is run, and if you feel that’s an issue then there is nothing that can really be said about it. it’s simply a matter of feeling differently about how suggestions channels work, and that’s fine; I hate some policies here as well. But to give feedback, we have to work on Developer terms
crystal iron
See*
cobalt pewter
mmmyes balancing is an opinion
To be fair, the way the balance is handled can be an opinion, but the end goal should be objective iirc
crude geode
Ty Chozo
north glen
Even if it’s a difficult decision, that’s not to be said that it shouldn’t try and be made by weighing the options between the rest of the devs
Also, what Feedza said
safe oasis
it can be an opinionated topic, yes, but in this case specifically, not really
unkempt heath
north glen
I honestly don’t have much more to say though, and I gotta go again anyway. Do what you will 
crude geode
@unkempt heath Your sugg seems fine. Sorry that this got in the way, but since nobody mentioned it all, I hope you assumed as much.
zealous ridge
I don’t care too much about either of these getting recipes exactly
Specially enchanted boomerang
like... maybe for the time being
But at least in 1.4 it will be redundant
band of regen is okay, though
crude geode
Enchanted boomerang should be better in the future thanks to melee/rogue not sharing
eternal escarp
boomerang actually shouldve had a recipe since its used in certain important weapons
but it gets one in 1.4 anyways yes
zealous ridge
Enchanted boomerang is used in a few things yea
So is band of regen, on the other hand
But it won’t have a recipe in 1.4 so I see it as more important
Marginally, at least
crude geode
Since you don’t have to double up your boomerangs if you have a rogue and melee anymore, it’s much better in the draedon update anyway
zealous ridge
Should be in practice
safe oasis
rule of thumb: if nobody at all brings up your sugg, assume nothing is wrong with it and its good as is
zealous ridge
unless you ask for feedback iirc
crude geode
yeah
crude geode
me when I don’t exist 
zealous ridge
check your corporeality
crude geode
half of my suggs are discussed anymore tbfh
safe oasis
because you're not real
crude geode
Not that I usually ask for feedback, I feel confident in my suggestion writing-
Fuck
Anyways gonna go nap
safe oasis
gn
zealous ridge
Aight goodnighte 
analog talon
!wiki vanilla changes
red stormBOT
analog talon
@tiny agate
eternal escarp
also, wiki suggestions should just be asked at #wiki-discussion instead
tiny agate
i'm saying that the mod itself should have an item like that
safe oasis
imagine not reading smh
tiny agate
you shouldn't have to look at the wiki to know about what the mod does
eternal escarp
you shouldn't have to look at the wiki to know about what the mod does
well, as much as i agree
safe oasis
where would you put it though
eternal escarp
thats just how terraria is as a whole sadly
analog talon
is it that hard to go in google and search up "calamity mod wiki"
eternal escarp
where would you put it though
if it actually was a wiki suggest, you couldve just asked there afaik
tawny garden
I mean, the wiki has some spoilers
eternal escarp
instead of writing an essay here
safe oasis
also doesnt it say it changes vanilla in like the tmod description it has
tiny agate
the item could just spawn with you or the guide could give it to you when you first interact with him
eternal escarp
i mean terraria as a whole has so much shit never explained tbh, its a wiki game at its core (which is bad, but idk if it can be fixed anymore tbf)
safe oasis
past the point of no return for that tbh
tiny agate
doesn't the guide explain some of that for you?
safe oasis
byeah this suggestion is valid honestly
tawny garden
could tell you about some changes
eternal escarp
amidias the calamity guide 
tawny garden
mhm
fun fact, vanilla wiki was made on the 17th of May 2011, literally a day after release
tawny garden
they made ~700 pages in one day
safe oasis
unrelated but epic
eternal escarp
lmfao
warm olive
i wish laser orbs were back as well
tawny garden
it's been a wiki game right from the beginning
warm olive
oh nvm he didnt mean the laser portals
zealous ridge
I greatly disliked the laser orbs
but part of that was that they directly countered the nature of the fight
tiny agate
What do y'all think about adding an item for rev/death changes that aren't mentioned in a seperate page item?
eternal escarp
the main death changes are listed on the item itself iirc
zealous ridge
at the point they existed, the best strat was to run in 1 direction, and the laser orbs directly countered this which sucked ass because you were so fast with 100 mph seraph tracers you weren’t able to react at all
tawny garden
[[Revengeance]]
red stormBOT
eternal escarp
dont remember if revengeance shows on its desc if it changes stuff too
oh it does
zealous ridge
It was purely a habitual reaction
tawny garden
aka the monster tooltip item
safe oasis
elaborate
tiny agate
I guess more so with boss changes and biome/weather changes
cobalt pewter
crystal iron
is it that hard to go in google and search up "calamity mod wiki"
A bit late but trust me it's a pain with a low end pc
eternal escarp
well, thats not exactly a calamity mod problem afaik