suggestions-discussion

[fossil finch]

the backgrounds that show up when you open the full map on a biome

[safe oasis]

oh

[tawny garden]

a feature that usually goes unnoticed

[safe oasis]

as if you'd open a map while you're currently drowning

though even then your sugg could elaborate more on the reasoning

feels very short

[tawny garden]

@celest laurel ^

[broken trellis]

there are multiple accessorises that let you breath underwater

[safe oasis]

not in the abyss

[broken trellis]

depends where in the abyss

furthermore there are still accessories that slow the breathing time

[eternal escarp]

even then

its not exactly a reason to give them map backgrounds

[tawny garden]

iirc 's buff lets you breathe infinitely even in the Abyss

[eternal escarp]

yeah think it does but eh

[broken trellis]

isnt map backgrounds just coloured squares

?

[eternal escarp]

youre thinking of background walls i believe

[tawny garden]

byeah this does need more reasoning

it has pretty much none

and the suggestor doesn't seem to respond

[eternal escarp]

shouldnt it be marked..?

[broken trellis]

we @ them

?

[tawny garden]

probably

[tawny garden]

I did already

[broken trellis]

oh

[dapper coral]

it has been marked

[tawny garden]

[rain basalt]

Snow Ruffian armor should give flat damage

[fossil finch]

no lol

it does not have to be a carbon copy of Desert's ranger armor

[pine star]

I don't think Rogue has anything that synergizes with flat damage as well as Ranger's Minishark

[hollow shell]

Mycoroot?

[pine star]

I meant pre-boss

Sorry for ambiguity

[hollow shell]

Minishark pre-boss
That's a lot of farming...

[glass sentinel]

not that much

just slime rain

[grim tusk]

Fishing too

Or just plunder a lot of chests in the jungle (while not dying)

[crude geode]

Ping with feedback if you have any

[earnest cape]

@solar mango boss suggs are a "don't", boss suggs are also a don't

so delete it

[sleek turret]

and also sugg regarding about future content

[crude geode]

@radiant meadow Kill the boss sugg

Nvm

[hot zephyr]

Flat damage is a slippery slope

Flat damage and any fast firing weapon tends to be broken

The best course of action IMO is to just nix earlygame damage bonuses

[radiant meadow]

Might also want to call the armor by the correct name

[cobalt pewter]

Imo only summoners really need the bonuses, at least pre boss ish

Like

[radiant meadow]

but it is also one of the unique things about desert prowler armor

[crude geode]

Ah desert prowler, sorry

[crude geode]

Addressed that in the final line, but the damage bonus can be augmented on fast firing weapons, either giving less bonus damage or none at all. Possibly giving crit chance to those weapons instead.

[hot zephyr]

If you're going to augment damage for fast firing weapons, you're basically just asking for % damage with extra steps

I think the sugg is pretty valid, I just really don't agree with it

[crude geode]

But does 3% damage bonus even do anything on something like mini-shark?

[hot zephyr]

Does the 3% damage bonus really do anything?

You aren't using those armor sets for the damage bonus.

Pre-hardmode armor design, in my opinion, is all about nailing a good, unique set bonus.

[warm scarab]

you aren't supposed to use wulfrum armor if you're not summoner

[hot zephyr]

Stats in that point of progression are so low that a marginal increase to damage/defense/movement doesn't really matter

[sleek turret]

Crit chance increase also tend to be better on these weapons than % damage increase, unless the bullets deals insane amounts of damage (Bloodfire, Holy Fire, etc) it becomes better to use % damage.

[hot zephyr]

If we're on the topic of "fixing" early armors, I'd think dev time would be better spent on new setbonuses.

[sleek turret]

((secret synergy with unstable prism 🤫))

[warm scarab]

[cobalt pewter]

Wulfrum doesn't have that iirc

[warm scarab]

wulfrum armor allowing you to deal 10% more damage on crit

[warm scarab]

#suggestions-discussion message

[cobalt pewter]

It's just extra stats and more on low hp

[hot zephyr]

There's a lot of neat Wulfrum enemy design that a new Wulfrum set bonus could be inspired from.

[pine star]

Wulfrum Armor: We don't do that here

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah

[warm scarab]

the pylon?

[hot zephyr]

And that's the problem with Wulfrum.

[warm scarab]

wulfrum armor set bonus(smth like wulfrum pylon) that is actually good for multiplayer as it biff damage for allies

[hot zephyr]

It's why only the summoner armor and, sometimes, the leggings are the only thing useful about the set.

[warm scarab]

[hot zephyr]

Personally, I think Wulfrum should be exploration focused armor

Give us bonuses to movement speed, mining, hook length.

[warm scarab]

hook length

[hot zephyr]

Because realistically you'll be replacing it with something better before you fight a boss.

[warm scarab]

ye

set bonus: allows sprinting without the need of boots

[hot zephyr]

Giving it bonuses to stats useful in exploration would carve a niche to the underperforming armor.

[crude geode]

So astral armor but actually in a decent progression point

[warm scarab]

yes

astral is

because at that progression you have so much better stuff

wulfrum have a ton of potential

[hot zephyr]

@warm scarab (If you're writing a wulfrum rework sugg, I've already gone one written up)

[crude geode]

Astral Bars are
but a topic for a suggestion that's already been made.

[sleek turret]

astral bars weapons are good esp. melee ones.

armor can work on defiled off-meta or just off-meta literally.

[cobalt pewter]

I think I made a sugg about Wulfrum a while back

[crude geode]

But why go through the process of mining and making the bars when you can just use the weapons you already have from the pillars.

[cobalt pewter]

Not sure about how it go now

[crude geode]

you did in fact, regarding a set bonus about pylons.

#suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

This, is a problem with everything post-Golem.

[warm scarab]

it's not armor rework

[hot zephyr]

Alright cool

[cobalt pewter]

166 stars

[earnest cape]

oh hey just before it is my sugg

[hot zephyr]

[earnest cape]

oops ping

[sleek turret]

[hot zephyr]

[crude geode]

Meteor armor still needs a buff

[hot zephyr]

RIP my dead meteor armor alt-helmet patron item

[crude geode]

[hot zephyr]

was working on concept art and balancing literally up to the day patron items died.

But that's off-topic

[crude geode]

indeed

[sleek turret]

tbf the only times I used meteor armor is either the busted wizard hat and gypsy robe combo or 'dumbfuck tries to speedrun't on revengeance'

[crude geode]

Incorrect, snow ruffian exists @warm scarab

[earnest cape]

^

[crude geode]

Also like, you only have to kill two wulfrum enemies near the pylon tbh so it isn't that much of a pain

[warm scarab]

the thing is about wulfrum armor in general

not just rogue

[crude geode]

it's also the earliest armor set that allows rogue to use stealth

[earnest cape]

it's also the earliest armor set that allows rogue to use stealth
this part is incorrect is what cursed is saying

[warm scarab]

i mean you're supposed to get wulfrum first

and then yeet it and switch to snow ruffian

[earnest cape]

gah

[hot zephyr]

Technically Wulfrum is first, but Snow Ruffian is an easy alternative

[crude geode]

mmm yes walking into the snow biome is much harder than getting a ton of wulfrum shards inb4 but muh death mode

[warm scarab]

snow biome when rain :echdemon:

[crude geode]

Also, are you going to the edges of the world when looking for wulfrum pylons?

[hot zephyr]

technically you can get Wulfrum armor without moving

[slate turtle]

Wait I thought wulfrum pylons already boosted spawn rates

[crude geode]

Technically you can beat Calamity without movement keys. Will you want to do that? no

[hot zephyr]

:)

[crude geode]

"The Wulfrum Pylon is a Pre-Hardmode enemy found on the Surface during daytime. It is completely stationary, and emits a field around it that will supercharge nearby Wulfrum Robots and increase their spawn rates by 3x."

@warm scarab

[slate turtle]

I've had no issue grinding energy cores

[crude geode]

same.

[hot zephyr]

It was a problem at the start of R&D but it's fine now

[warm scarab]

what

really

[crude geode]

from the wiki.

[warm scarab]

ah

nvm ig

[earnest cape]

the more you know

[warm scarab]

perhaps i should check wiki before suggesting

[earnest cape]

Perhaps

[warm scarab]

anyways i have a sugg about deus lagging

[slate turtle]

I've had some random lag spikes during deus

[warm scarab]

make piercing projectiles generate less dusts when hitting a worm boss, especially astrum deus

[earnest cape]

repost eh?

[warm scarab]

are you telling me

there's already such a sugg

or have i done it once

[earnest cape]

idk it just sounds familiar

byeah

[crude geode]

it sounds very familiar to me

[warm scarab]

thinkies

[crude geode]

can't seem to find it though. Which means me and misfortune are hallucinating (a possible option) or it got ❌ for some reason.

[earnest cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude geode]

or I'm bad at finding specific suggestions

[slate turtle]

❌

[warm scarab]

search up astrum deus in sugg voting channel

[earnest cape]

it doesn't work like that.

if you want a searchable sugg with the search bar it has to be ☑️ or ✅

[crude geode]

literally the first thing I did, along with dust and lag.

[earnest cape]

(or I'm pretty sure at least)

[crude geode]

no, you can find normal suggestion that went through. They just won't be colored.

[warm scarab]

wtf

[earnest cape]

no I mean

if you want to find a specific sugg

with a keyword

i.e. in this case deus or lag

[earnest cape]

huh

i am retarded it seems

[slate turtle]

I just realized I was searching in suggestions-posting lol

[crude geode]

:lul:

byeah not sure why you thought it worked that way misfortune.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[earnest cape]

probably because the previous times ive tried it never showed anything

[crude geode]

weird

[earnest cape]

byeah

[warm scarab]

thinkies

how does this look

[safe oasis]

very apparent on astrum deus(we all know why)
last part isnt needed

[warm scarab]

i was about to say (we all know why :deathevasion: )

[real steppe]

Is Chicken Cannon + DoG metal grater @ 1FPS still a thing?

[grim tusk]

I think so

[warm scarab]

why isn't anyone commenting on my sugg

:Wtf:

[languid quartz]

I can insult it if you'd like

(jk it looks fine)

[cobalt pewter]

Reworking the 2 accessories to not remove your momentum...

(you're not supposed to be using bb on yharon I know)
This is subjective iirc, and isn't really needed

You can use Moonstone Crown on DoG

[jovial spire]

same

(yes looks just fine)

[languid quartz]

[grim tusk]

fricking old die is post-skeletron and lasts the whole game looks fine

[hot zephyr]

Looks fine to me

[cobalt pewter]

Otherwise there are nothing else I can object to yes

Actually

...which can lead to instead death...

[grim tusk]

Certain death would be more fitting

[cobalt pewter]

Certain death yes

[muted osprey]

I'm gonna do it

I'm gonna make a suggest about nerfing old die

[cobalt pewter]

Storm beat ya to it ig

[grim tusk]

Already done no need to sugg

[warm scarab]

[warm scarab]

yes

i have very bad english

[cobalt pewter]

[warm scarab]

i was supposed to say "instant"

whole reason i came up with this sugg

is i used the bb dash and found that it's not that bad

[grim tusk]

Yea sadly most people just prefer vampiric emblem’s lifesteal or the high dmg destroyer emblem provides

[warm scarab]

i'm using all three

[cobalt pewter]

The dumbbell donor hasn't responded yet

Time for my sugg to sink into the Abyss

[grim tusk]

Just copy it an paste it here then grab it once he responds

[cobalt pewter]

True

[warm scarab]

[dapper coral]

@hexed nimbus arma is no longer doing the treasure bag thing in 1.5

so this is basically moot

[hexed nimbus]

what

[warm scarab]

what

then what does it do

[dapper coral]

it becomes a pure challenge mode

[warm scarab]

WHAT

[cobalt pewter]

It still does, just on the first kill iirc

[dapper coral]

do you want to die in one hit? have fun

[warm scarab]

what the fuck

[cobalt pewter]

But no more stupid arma farming

[dapper coral]

correct feedz

[warm scarab]

ah

[dapper coral]

as in

[warm scarab]

on the first kill is acceptable

reduces grinding A TON

[dapper coral]

if you kill the boss the first time, and you have arma on, you will get treasure bags
if you kill the boss with arma after you have defeated it without, you do not get the bags

[warm scarab]

[dapper coral]

so anyways ima remove this one since it's pointless now

[cobalt pewter]

No more ez farming for you

[warm scarab]

ah

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah

[warm scarab]

happy days afk farm:

:echbed:

[hexed nimbus]

so um why, is the Arma mode a problem?

[dapper coral]

it was silly

because money became a non-issue, among other things

and iirc fab/devs preferred that it stuck to its roots of being a challenge item first and foremost

instead of a funny gimmick that everyone used to cheese their way through money farming

(also why defiled rune is dead)

[warm scarab]

haha yes

[warm scarab]

:echdemon:

[cobalt pewter]

(defiled rune became a funny Celeste reference with fav toggle to keep it player side)

[dapper coral]

^

[warm scarab]

i would personally make a mana equivalent to iron heart

[hexed nimbus]

the notion that players should have to grind for money is a scummy idea

[cobalt pewter]

What

[dapper coral]

it still exists but it has no trivial boosts now

again it is a pure challenge mode

[warm scarab]

ah

like iron heart

[cobalt pewter]

Did you not work for money in real life

[warm scarab]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

[warm scarab]

because i don't need money

[hexed nimbus]

its a video game.

not real life

[cobalt pewter]

Then what's the point of currency if it's not used properly

[golden narwhal]

And this particular video game has an emphasis on grinding and rng, so :shrug

[cobalt pewter]

[golden narwhal]

Again, the need for money is alleviated with the goblin's changes

[cobalt pewter]

^

[warm scarab]

^

no more con artist scam :hooboo:

bruh can't type

[hexed nimbus]

a player should have to go out of there way to grind for money if they dont like the money system in terraria, they should have the option to not have money be a problem by grinding.

[cobalt pewter]

....

Then you go get other mods to invalidate money?

Cal doesn't need to do everything

[dapper coral]

i don't understand your point

[whole sedge]

Yeah what is your point here as to me it just seems like you're saying if players don't like the money system then just grind which is the case..?

[dapper coral]

if you want money to not be a problem then go cheat in 999 plat

the effectiveness of money is already heavily reduced with the new tinker system which is basically 90% of what players spent money on before

[hexed nimbus]

i have an idea, but i am failing to say it

there needs to be a challege to get invinete money but still be an option if you dont want it be be a problem

[whole sedge]

i don't even understand what you're trying to say anymore

[dapper coral]

no, there doesn't
there are plenty of other ways of getting infinite money without needing some challenge mode

[hexed nimbus]

there shodnet be

[dapper coral]

what

[warm scarab]

[earnest cape]

are you trying to start poverty

[warm scarab]

^

i'm about to ask that

[golden narwhal]

tinkerer already started poverty years ago

[hexed nimbus]

my argument goes as following:

there should be a way to get X

the way to get X should be hard so not everyone does it but it is still an option for people who want it

in this case X is Unlimited money

From what i heard, Arma is going to a level that makes it purely for challenge.

i think that the unlimited money that could be gotten because of Arma is good, as long as its not too easy, or is too close to the main progression.

[still zodiac]

How do you want to balance it then, if you can easily farm money by beating desert Scourge/BoC/Cryogen with weapons that are many tiers above?

[warm scarab]

arma is supposed to be pure challenge

[still zodiac]

That's not a challenge at all in that case

[warm scarab]

it gives more bags so players actually play it

[whole sedge]

Yeah arma is literally supposed to be pure challenge and it's 10x loot bag gimmick wasn't really done correctly

[warm scarab]

^

[hexed nimbus]

you could make the bosses act normaly when you pass sertan milestones

[dapper coral]

if you really want beeg money you can still use arma on the first kill to get the treasure bags

[still zodiac]

Wym "act normally"

Giving them stat bloats for every Boss above their tier killed or what?

[hexed nimbus]

like for exsample, BoC would not drop extra bags, if WoF has been killed, then it becomes better

[still zodiac]

Then what's stopping someone from farming the bags before WoF

That's still just, bad

[whole sedge]

The entire point of the change was to make it just a one time thing so people don't cheese it regardless of where they are in progression so it's not making something already trivial of money grinding even more trivial..?

[still zodiac]

Yeah

Besides as it was said earlier, Goblin scammer gets changed to he won't be rng anymore

That means you need less money, and his reforge prices will be reduced too

[whole sedge]

Plus even if you despise the currency system so much for some reason that you don't even want to spend a second farming BoC for some moners you can always do what Demik said of just spawn in a few stacks of platinum and chuck 'em in your piggy bank and forget about 'em

[dapper coral]

in any case, if this convo is not going to lead into a sugg, then it should move somewhere else or dissipate

[hexed nimbus]

yes, but i wont forget this

[warm scarab]

@whole sedge about dropping from the last segment/brain. i think you can say "making them only drop from the treasure bag in expert+"

and then the sugg is perfect

[whole sedge]

I mean normal mode also exists even though we refuse to admit it really, I don't think having something that can kinda change an entire playthrough's armor/weapon progression should be limited to just expert+ or whatever either

I think I address treasure bags in their also

[tawny garden]

(btw, I remember farming BoC for money by selling Crimtane Ore en masse, and I got a ton of money even without Arma)

(If you're making money less easy to farm, might want to look into that as well)

[crude geode]

yeah like ten spawns of BoC worth of Crimtane Ore turned into Crimtane Bars can get you like 5 platinum or so. That's what I got from farming it recently.

also the ore is not exclusive to BoC and EoW ted.

it's found in the world as well as dropped from EoC

[whole sedge]

I thought I said that I must've removed me saying that then, my bad

[hollow shell]

(I'm personally a fan of them having this one weird partial-kill capability)

(Makes PreHM special, an indication of its nonlinearity)

[whole sedge]

(for me it kinda feels like ruining the point of the bosses as they're my two favorite vanilla ones to this day somehow and also the fact that who cares about brain of confusion )

[tawny garden]

1.4 Brain of Confusion:

[crude geode]

Pre-HM non-linearity pog

[cobalt pewter]

Just heavily nerf the drops imo

Make the Creepers drop Crimtane and Tissue Samples at a chance

That way you'd still keep the thing while not being abusable as shit

[whole sedge]

It's already like a 66% chance or something like that and either way that'd just mean to have the same abusable effect you'd just have to waste more of your time that you could be spent like actually beating the boss

[crude geode]

chance drop

Tbh I don’t think this sugg is gonna make it to dev. Either people won’t care, or will not like it Bc removing non-linearity (in a way)

But it’s valid ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt pewter]

You got that. Make their time worthless by making the actual Brain drop way more than the Creepers in total

While not inflating the numbers

I can only think of making the Creepers drop the stuff at way lower rate

[tawny garden]

you said that my rage sugg won't get to dev and it got 285

[cobalt pewter]

ig

[crude geode]

shush philo that rage sugg was an anomaly

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Funny rage

[crude geode]

You don’t need that many tissue samples/shadow scales tho.

[whole sedge]

I mean I don't really see how it removed non-linearity myself as no other boss, even in calamity changes, does this
and at that point i don't really see a point of having it be so low to the point that you're discouraging doing that when you can just get rid of it entirely really

[warm scarab]

i said "make them only drop from the treasure bag in expert+" your sugg applies to normal mode

making them only drop from bags makes it easier to organize storage/inventory

[crude geode]

They explained why they didn’t do it

[warm scarab]

[crude geode]

^

[warm scarab]

ah

🤔

[whole sedge]

better way to put it is that it's inconsequential if i specify either way as it's the exact same thing cause of how expert bags work

[warm scarab]

in expert you have the bag drop samples/scales

[crude geode]

~~literally a minute after you gave that feedback. Kinda the opposite of a ding dong ditch suggestor ~~

[warm scarab]

bags doesnt' take the loot from the boss and put em into a bag, you need to TELL the game what should the bag contain and you need to stop your boss from dropping the stuff in expert and drop the bag instead :echdemon:

anyawys

the sugg's pretty good on it's own

[whole sedge]

except every single bag is pretty much exactly the same thing and either way it's kinda just the same sugg

[warm scarab]

i would 100% make that in my mod

[warm scarab]

ye

[crude geode]

Also I would like to actually point out a parallel in this discussion, Dragonfolly and Draconic Swarmer.

[whole sedge]

isn't draconic swarmer a separate enemy though and they don't drop anything during the fight

[warm scarab]

swarmers drop feathers

[crude geode]

Draconic Swarmers spawn during the fight (tho I’m unsure if they drop anything)

[warm scarab]

folly drop way more

[warm scarab]

those that spawn naturally drop stuff, others don't

[whole sedge]

Yeah I think they don't drop anything during the fight which is kinda my thing as outside that they're kind of a pain to grind as an alt

[cobalt pewter]

Swarmers don't drop stuff in fatfuck fight

[crude geode]

can you please not ping me when I just sent a message

Byeah I still wanted to point it out, as it’s vaguely similar in progression hopping.

[tawny garden]

might've been a mistake, in fairness

Pisscord

[warm scarab]

@crude geode remove the luminite part because:
#changelogs message
#changelogs message

also

deus exist

[whole sedge]

Moonlord spawning luminite on the first kill doesn't really mean much as you can still fail ML and have to respawn him

They reference Deus also

[warm scarab]

ye

ah

[crude geode]

Mhm

[earnest cape]

maybe perhaps mayhaps ngl iirc tbh imo read the sugg first

[warm scarab]

i did

perhaps i got the "outside of deus" part wrong

bad english intensifies

[cobalt pewter]

cough MUTANT cough

Byeah

[earnest cape]

[warm scarab]

?

[earnest cape]

hage

[crude geode]

Imagine comparing to other mods

[earnest cape]

Funny.

[warm olive]

ok so i have a suggestion idea:
make chlorophyte bullets spawn less dust
Chlorophyte bullets are a very useful type of ammo, having homing ability, and are usually very good for bosses like yharon being offscreen most of the time. The problem is that chlorophyte bullets spawn A LOT of dust that can lag even good PC's, making combinations like P90, minigun, onixya or even halibut cannon + chloro bullets, pretty much unusable.
Making chlorophyte bullets spawn less dust, similar to verium or any other cal bullets, would reduce the lag and make these bullets actually worth using

[earnest cape]

inb4 terra bullets

byeah

[frail mantle]

i didn't know people actually use chloro bullets against Yharon

[warm olive]

i do xd

[earnest cape]

the high velocity with holy fire is good enough

[frail mantle]

i'd assume people just used bloodflare/holy fire and just aimed

[earnest cape]

good enough if not better cause yharon is so fast*

[warm olive]

but still chloro bullets are good for some other bosses outside yharon

[frail mantle]

but yeah chloro bullet shits out dust like the average taco bell customer so toning it down is probably a good idea ye

[earnest cape]

inb4 terra bullets

[tawny garden]

Halibut with Chlorophyte Bullets is a meme at this point

[warm olive]

terra bullets

i actually forgot that exists

[earnest cape]

terra bullet's shards spawn so many dust+homing

a recipe for disaster

[warm olive]

ok so can i post this in #suggestions-posting

[earnest cape]

ye

[sleek hornet]

but, afaik if you set your graphic setting to low, most of the dust will disappear right?

[cobalt pewter]

Quality settings don't give a shit abouy dust iirc

[velvet locust]

@ashen warren what

[ashen warren]

just a cool little idea for an easter egg

[velvet locust]

it is a sis

[sleek turret]

uhh

[ashen warren]

i rate my own suggestion a 10/10

[velvet locust]

it has a problem

[cobalt pewter]

I like the intention, but it's way too specific iirc

[safe oasis]

ok so
specific
no reasoning besides its cool

[sleek turret]

@ashen warren
1- your suggestion is an specific item suggestion and thats not allowed in suggestions, read the pins here.
2- no references/easter eggs are allowed for suggestions for the sake of it.

[cobalt pewter]

And yes

[earnest cape]

hage

@marsh gust we need assistance in sugg ❗

[ashen warren]

sadge

i thought it was an awesome idea

[earnest cape]

no its not

[marsh gust]

ididit(?)

[earnest cape]

:yourdidit:

[velvet locust]

i like the easter egg concept, but it is way to specific and you are adding it for the sake of a refrence @ashen warren

[earnest cape]

next time read the "don'ts" doc @ashen warren pinned here

[ashen warren]

ive read that doc like 2 times but i always forget it lol

i do remember some of the things you're not supposed to do tho

like not suggest songs that are not supposed to be added be added

[velvet locust]

Idea for a suggestion

**Nerf the base damage of explosives **

I dont know if this counts as a weapon rebalance, but something overlooked by the devs is explosives. Explosives are a great idea, clearing out EoW arenas, mining fast, or if you encountered a block you cant break. but they also have a fun mechanic where they can kill all of pre hardmode by instantly deleting bosses. Take a look at every 1.3 speedrun to exist. The dynamite shreds WoF and deletes destroyer. And for something that can be acquired before __any __boss in the game? Nerfing the damage of these weapons can not kill all of pre hardmode and make it so that the player doesn't use the same weapons over and over again.

[sleek turret]

isn't grenades alredy nerfed on worm bosses

i.e DS

[warm olive]

^

[velvet locust]

oh

[sleek turret]

and also you mentioned speedruns

because thats the way we kill WoF only

or else we spent a shitton of time doing stuff for WoF i.e stuff like armor weapons etc etc, unless its water bolt but that requires more rng than the rng needed to a chest to generate dynamites.

[warm olive]

i have an idea for suggestion about making bloodstone not as joke obtaining
im talking about getting bloodstone with near no effort just by grinding bags/crates pre provi and opening them after provi

[crude geode]

All worm bosses have special resistances to any type of explosive to make them practically useless, as well as most piercing damage being reduced

[tawny garden]

fuck speedrunners

[warm olive]

inf piercing still memes out everything

[crude geode]

Bc infinite piercing is weird and needs to be nerfed in a different way

[sleek turret]

and also if you think about it using explosives for WoF is somehow deleting your entire bridge and ground of your hell.

[crude geode]

Mhm

Sorta like using the Rockets that destroy blocks for rocket launchers

[sleek turret]

and its only like 15-30 seconds to delete WoF on normal (standart on speedruns) with dynamites considering you have a bridge that isn't made out of platforms/planter boxes

[velvet locust]

exactly

it is not a real fight

[sleek turret]

because its an speedrun

you expect that cheeses to bosses happen

[crude geode]

Also cough #suggestions-discussion message cough

[sleek turret]

i.e infamous duck npc limit cheese, moon lord bunker, etc, etc.

[tawny garden]

tbf that doesn't mean that these cheeses should stay just for speedrunners

[sleek turret]

yeah, that too.

it isn't only for speedruns.

[cobalt pewter]

Ozz considered something like this for inf pierce resist on worms, but the issue iirc is on holdouts like Prism weapons

[crude geode]

~~just delete prism weapons ~~

[cobalt pewter]

galaxy brain momentum

Byeah

[sleek turret]

though considering speedruns are on mostly normal difficulty compared to rev that is harder and requires even more preparation than just using a dirt block bridge

[crude geode]

This convo is a moot point since like. everything is getting rebalanced.

[sleek turret]

^

[crude geode]

Sounds fine as a suggestion.

[sleek turret]

and I don't expect to dynamites don't work for WoF

or else basically we are going to wait to 1.4.1 tmod to release and do funny bee hive cheese.

[crude geode]

[tawny garden]

I expect funny bee hive cheese to be nerfed into the ground

[crude geode]

Right that should be my next suggestion, moving Ravager in progression to exclusively post provi, instead of the weird nebulous hardmode and post provi void it currently resides in.

[warm olive]

make bloodstone harder to be obtained the "cheese" way
currently you can just grind a lot of brimstone crates/ravhager bags before providence and open them after provi, thus removing almost all danger from fighting buffed bosses/enemies
my idea is that crates/bags should change themselves after defeating provi, similar to vanilla 1.4, so you actually have to fight the new bosses

[sleek turret]

It will be patched somehow.

[warm olive]

feedback?

[safe oasis]

title is a bit long

[tawny garden]

I vaguely remember someone making a similar sugg

[safe oasis]

nobody would support it

[tawny garden]

fun fact, the title can't be longer than 256 characters

[safe oasis]

life bars and cores are annoying to get, ravager is kinda there to be an easier source

i just dont think he should be in post provi at all

doesnt add much to it

aside from bloodstone which is easily obtained from 2 other bosses

[safe oasis]

good to post in #suggestions-posting

[eternal escarp]

the long talked ravager

[warm olive]

:ravhager:

[crude geode]

Yeah but those other bosses don’t have that good of a reason to drop bloodstone. Not as much as ravager, who is literally Stone and flesh.

[eternal escarp]

ravager prolly has the best reason tbh

[crude geode]

Plus he’s crammed into post golem with like 4 other bosses and that is just

[warm olive]

yeah, it kinda makes sense for brimstone because the crag enemies also drop bloodstone, but not cal clone

[tawny garden]

moving Ravager to post-Provi only adds to the fact that Post-Moon Lord is just a boss rush with griding breaks

[eternal escarp]

ravager shouldve just been an optional post provi boss bgl tbh

[crude geode]

implying calamity isn’t just a boss rush with grinding breaks

[tawny garden]

true, true

[safe oasis]

calclone is made of brimstone materials

[crude geode]

It’s more prevelant post ml, but it’s very noticeable if you’re paying attention.

[eternal escarp]

prolly not forever

byeah

[safe oasis]

mfw fluid lore cant get anything right

[eternal escarp]

actually forgot the lore byeah

[crude geode]

Calclone is also kind of a. clone imo so i don’t see why she needs a rematch and upgrade tbfh.

Especially when SCal exists

[warm olive]

ok is this good to post in #suggestions-posting

[crude geode]

Have the title be “Make Bloodstone harder to cheese”

You can always post in posting btw

Whole reason it’s there

Sounds fine to me. Don’t expect it to get to devs Bc people are going to go “but muh cheese!” but it’s a valid suggestion nonetheless.

[warm olive]

people always hate when cheese gets removed

[crude geode]

people always hate change

[tawny garden]

I still remember when Feedza suggested that Menacing should be nerfed
And that sugg got like 40 stars

[frail mantle]

actually according to the wiki Ravager only drops Necromantic Geodes (the shits that give you bloodstone when opened) post-Providence

[crude geode]

Doesn’t that not matter Bc it comes from the bag?

[warm olive]

iirc necromantic geodes drop from the bag

[frail mantle]

do they

[sleek turret]

unless its rework rage/mechanic that is considered bad.

[tawny garden]

Normal mode exists

[crude geode]

Oh no!

Anyways-

[tawny garden]

[frail mantle]

i haven't played in fifteen years, i have no clue if they drop directly or from the bag in expert+

[warm olive]

RAGE REWORK
but thats for another channel lol

[crude geode]

ok boomer ❤️ same

[safe oasis]

they do

[sleek turret]

yeah basically Philo made a sugg about Rage rework and literally bombed into stars the next few days.

[tawny garden]

Me when haven't played in a year

[warm olive]

i should edit my sugg to include that bosses could drop bloodstone directly

[frail mantle]

ok yeah according to the wiki they do drop from the bags in expert+

[crude geode]

Sounds kinda weird considering nothing like that happens outside of quirky providence drops

Byeah

Mfw attempted to remove cheese but did nothing

Just created the dreaded item bloat

[warm olive]

yeah 2 bag variants sounds weird lol

making it drop directly would be better imo

[frail mantle]

eah

[tawny garden]

why do you not have a y key

[crude geode]

Wait why the fuck do the boxes for provi and wof exist when Brimmy doesn’t spawn a box and is in hell

[tawny garden]

[warm olive]

signus

[crude geode]

signus is both a boss and isn’t quite legal enough to get his own treasure bag

[warm olive]

1.5

[tawny garden]

He will in 1.5

[crude geode]

Yeet

The question is will he have a box

[tawny garden]

Tbh boxes bad

[warm olive]

hope no because funy block bloat

[tawny garden]

Remove all boxes

[frail mantle]

it very occasionally disappears for mild comedic effect

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

Pog

[eternal escarp]

tbh other then wof bosses shouldnt have boxes, you litterly can just make platforms or blocks above lava in those circumstances / just dive into the lava tbh

[earnest cape]

writing another sugg endercreeper?

[eternal escarp]

he might be editing

[warm olive]

[crude geode]

Even then wof doesn’t need one byech

[eternal escarp]

i can kinda see why wof might need it

byeah

[warm olive]

provi box is just block bloat

and profaned stone takes way too long to mine

[tawny garden]

@warm olive you can't post more than 2 suggs within 24 hours

[eternal escarp]

and the profaned rocks take 2 hits with blossom pickaxe which is annoying

[earnest cape]

^

[eternal escarp]

isnt that the same sugg?

[warm olive]

i was editing lo

[cobalt pewter]

Status update: yeah

[earnest cape]

Nice

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

is this mobile fuckery

[eternal escarp]

is it just me?

[crude geode]

Nope

[tawny garden]

No

[eternal escarp]

[earnest cape]

nope

[warm olive]

??

[cobalt pewter]

No, but now it's gone

So yech

[eternal escarp]

ye

anyways

[warm olive]

ok i fucked lol

[crude geode]

It’s aight Byeah

[tawny garden]

😳

[eternal escarp]

boxes are very cringe tbh and all they do is be annoying most of the time imo

[crude geode]

indeed

[sleek turret]

suffering into knowing what the community wants and what it doesn't.

[crude geode]

Change log: Nerfed King Slime farming. King slime now spawns a provi style death box on kill in hardmode.

[fossil finch]

[tawny garden]

Yes, but the death box is even bigger

[crude geode]

Bigger as in thicker walls you mean? Of course.

[tawny garden]

And the perimeter is bigger

[crude geode]

Anyways suggs seem fine

Catch me ranting about ravager tomorrow when I have sugg slots lmao

[eternal escarp]

another "change ravager theme" approaches

[crude geode]

myes except just move and lock him behind provi

[eternal escarp]

i still kinda agree with that idea tbh

[crude geode]

the last ravager theme sugg was a complete argumentative mess, and I blame myself for it
Same

[coarse bronze]

My suggestion doesn't have a valid reason to be accepted

just

[cobalt pewter]

....

[coarse bronze]

W o r m

[cobalt pewter]

Didn't you learn from ftw Prime

[coarse bronze]

nope

Not at all

[analog talon]

Destroyer in-game makes draedon look like an idiot

[cobalt pewter]

@zenith hazel

Last sugg

[cyan lagoon]

@ashen warren dont shitpost in suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

Cobby beat brav to it

Thanks

[coarse bronze]

But seriously

my only reason for Destroyer being able to ate blocks is

1. W o r m
2. L o r e

[sleek turret]

actually

this would cause to basically the same results as spamming bombs everywhere

or change the fight to well, do it on a skybridge

[cyan lagoon]

as much as these would be immersive i think it would just be drowned out by the outcry of the mere presence of it

[warm olive]

mfw fuckers ate my skybridge

[cyan lagoon]

that and since destroyer and dog are mandatory bosses your world will get ruined at some point

[crude geode]

this sounds fuckin awful

[analog talon]

Destroyer isn't mandatory

[sleek turret]

and also recalling one thing from #lore-discussion pins;
"Not every aspect of the game has to be the same as the lore."

[cyan lagoon]

^

[crude geode]

Gameplay over lore

[cyan lagoon]

as immersive as corruptors corrupting tiles are it got removed for a reason

[crude geode]

And having your world destroyed and wrecked Bc “he’s a destroyer of worlds!” is awful.

[cyan lagoon]

and as shown with mods of old having enemies that can destroy the world of their own free will doesn't end well either

[warm olive]

smh just make an another world

[crude geode]

Does it make sense lore wise? Yes. Does it feel awful to have it happen to you in game? 100%

[analog talon]

imo it would be better if they actuated blocks instead of breaking them and the blocks reactivate after the fight but thats probably impossible

[crude geode]

sounds like a recipe for lag

[warm olive]

amazing idea but probably hell to code

[crude geode]

also yeah

[sleek turret]

imagine the situation you fight DoG/Destroyer on ground and you see you have holes all over the place and making terraforming for other types of arena a living nightmare.

[crude geode]

It’s just not a good idea. Even if it’s a config, i doubt anyone would be interested in it.

[sleek turret]

people would just find the config and de-activate it instantly lol

[analog talon]

If the blocks came back after the fight it would add the extra challenge of the fact the ground is slowly being torn apart giving you less places to stand on as you fight the giant metal worm without the annoyance of needing to patch up all the holes

[swift wharf]

mob griefing is a big nono

[sleek turret]

tbf that would cause issues if you fight destroyer/DoG on a desert

since they would go under the first sand blocks and delete the ones underground.

uhh

[cyan lagoon]

mm

[sleek turret]

joke suggs are a no-no @night basin

[night basin]

oh

[warm olive]

why are we getting so many cringe suggs today

[cyan lagoon]

hage is most definitely a meme so i'm taking charge

[night basin]

uh

[sleek turret]

and also sake of the reference sugg

[night basin]

whoops i forgot that rule

[cyan lagoon]

don't suggest joke items please

[night basin]

ok

but, if it actually was

it would be funny, right?

[pine star]

NO

[cyan lagoon]

depends

[night basin]

oh

[cyan lagoon]

i don't think it would be funny

but other people would

[sleek turret]

people would meme about it

[warm olive]

idk calamity is not a meme mod

[sleek turret]

a lot

[warm olive]

lul

why does that thing still exist

[tawny garden]

if you want Hage-related items, @sharp prism has made a mod just for you

[warm olive]

ima suggest to remove it when i have slots

[cyan lagoon]

probably as a test item of sorts

[warm olive]

cal testers exists right

[sleek turret]

a "false reward for hitting the 3 times the charm" item.

[cyan lagoon]

no, they are nonexistent

we ship content as unpolished as it is /s

We have a ton of testers yes

but they shouldn't be the only ones testing (Not to put them down at all-quite the opposite, they're doing a great work on balancing content past moon lord)

community feedback is a huge driving force (especially for those who don't feel comfortable with using cheat mods)

[safe oasis]

why do people have bad suggestions and then defend it with "but its toggleable"

[sleek turret]

either calamity should have an option for that; "oh just have a toggle to it and people can turn it on/off whenever the fuck you want to" which people who don't know what a config is will be confused a lot

[warm olive]

staff of blushie needs a heavy rework imo

[broken trellis]

but that is a valid reason example my slimy saddle one was pretty bad but the only valid reason was its toggle able

[eternal escarp]

adding a feature that is litteraly just annoying but then saying "its a toggle" isnt a real reason imo

[warm olive]

^

[broken trellis]

i said it can make a reason cvalid

[eternal escarp]

"they dig" isnt a reason, they dont destroy tiles for a gameplay reason

[broken trellis]

im not even talking about that tho?

[safe oasis]

imagine fighting destroyer and both your NPCs and houses are gone

[broken trellis]

ULTRA DEATGH MODE

[sleek turret]

"goddamn time to cheat some houses again, ugh."

[eternal escarp]

i thought we would be talking about a sugg in posting which was the topic before hand

[safe oasis]

time to make a new world just to fight destroyer pog

its why nobody likes for the worthy prime

[warm olive]

fuckers ate my skybridge
cant have shit in death mode

ftw prime needs to die

[sleek turret]

or either you fight it on a very separated part of the world or suffer into the house npc destruction.

[eternal escarp]

ftw is litterly a meme seed hiding behind "difficulty", never count it tbh

[safe oasis]

i mean its the better master mode so people use that as master mode

[broken trellis]

fight it in the ocean

[tawny garden]

more work has been put into ftw than into Master Mode

[sleek turret]

ocean would be deleted

[weak field]

Let's take minecraft as an example, ender dragon and wither both eats blocks

[sleek turret]

and knowing how sand fisics work.

[broken trellis]

the amount of lag from the sand would be immense

[weak field]

But ender dragon doesn't eat anything naturally present on end island and wither can be fought very far away

Whereas a terraria world isn't nearly as big and usually dog fight ends up using the whole world anyway

[eternal escarp]

MC is diffrent anyways

[sleek turret]

because the world isn't limited to a certain space

[warm olive]

comparing mc and terraria smh

kinda cringe tbh

[broken trellis]

MC is infinite

[eternal escarp]

i get your point, but you cant use MC as an example

[sleek turret]

different from Terraria, MC has a lot of waaaaay more limited space than Terraria.

Terraria space is limited and if on Small/Medium worlds it can be a problem if Destroyer/DoG deletes tiles — structures, even.

[warm olive]

make destroyer instakill with head when
because we all love instakill bosses

[eternal escarp]

DoGs instakill might perish

[weak field]

Yeah it's a good idea but read the pins, it takes s o m u c h w o r k

Especially when the devs are working on 1.5

[warm olive]

i kinda like the idea but thats gonna be hell to code

[eternal escarp]

sub worlds are very annoying afaik, especially since its litterly just nother world that you just cant access

[frail mantle]

pretty sure one subworld is already planned, just not a boss arena one

[eternal escarp]

the cosmilite thing yeah?

[frail mantle]

but yeah something something high effort

the cosmilite thing yes

[broken trellis]

im confused what are subworlds

[eternal escarp]

basically the nether

but its a normal world kinda

[broken trellis]

oh

[eternal escarp]

dunno how to fully explain

[frail mantle]

it's like a separate world you can enter from inside the normal world

think of a pocket dimension

[broken trellis]

like a ner=ther portal

[frail mantle]

kinda like the nether ye

[eternal escarp]

basically this sugg is alot of effort

which is kindof a dont, i think

idk a moderator prolly can classify this

[warm olive]

good suggs when

[tawny garden]

these two embeds are

[tawny garden]

big and unnecessary

and ye

[broken trellis]

the sugg isnt bad per say

[eternal escarp]

also, you can shorten embeds with <link>

to the suggester, that is

[broken trellis]

technically this is a boime

[tawny garden]

@tender flame ^

[eternal escarp]

its more then a biome byeah

[tender flame]

???

[broken trellis]

so yh its even more work

[tender flame]

Sorry, what is going on?

[tawny garden]

can't suggest something so grand-scale

[eternal escarp]

your sugg is very much a big effort one, which is technically a dont

[tender flame]

Ik, I originally thought of sub world work in draedon's "zones", but then I was like "Hmmmm, why stop there?"

Also, I am not saying everything needs to be implemented there

[eternal escarp]

sub worlds as a whole are big effort afaik

[broken trellis]

you could shorten it down

[tawny garden]

ye

[tender flame]

Maybe just add boss challenges (in a similar custom style) to Rev or something

Idk, it felt wrong cutting out any portion of that

[pine star]

Subworlds are hell to code

I think this sugg would be valid, but after like 3 major updates

[cobalt pewter]

I can see scal arena being a proper subworld dimension instead of b l o c k

Byeah

Beeg effort

[pine star]

yeah

[tender flame]

Did you see the attachment? Idk how they are generated, but there is something I found that functions as an autoworld register+loader with custom settings in the link

[cobalt pewter]

Also cal isn't likely to use sublib, instead some expert coders like Dom will prolly make a cal-exclusive subworld library built-in for easier maintenance

[tawny garden]

any big-effort suggestions are still a no, even if "not everything needs to be implemented"

[tender flame]

rip...

[eternal escarp]

and the main premise of the sugg are the sub worlds, from what i see, which is the big effort

[tender flame]

how long would u think this would take with all of the dev's working on it...?

[cobalt pewter]

Soon™

They haven't even done with 1.5

[tender flame]

what is 1.5???

[eternal escarp]

#calamity-update-talk

[tender flame]

L sorry

[eternal escarp]

read the pins there

[tawny garden]

more than half a year, I bet

[cobalt pewter]

Likely more

[tawny garden]

not including the work that they planned to do

[tender flame]

okay, okay, but if some aspects of this were implemented (when they were done with whatever else), even just changing the dungeons and maybe adding a threshold to go into a "deeper abyss"; that would be cool af

[crude geode]

Way too high effort for something very minor tbfh.

[tender flame]

k

[cobalt pewter]

Granted, subworld arenas can be nice for some bosses, but there are higher priorities compared to the effort needed

in any case ye

Might be worth an exclaim

[tender flame]

Sorry, I forget what exclaim does

Remove?

[crude geode]

Check pins.

[tawny garden]

read the doc while you're at it

[crude geode]

Mhm

[tender flame]

Sooo... change what? It is basically subworld modifiers for select regions; should I add that it could be implemented in areas that want to be expanded upon (abyss etc.)? That it could be used for boss battles? Idk what to prioritize, or how long it would take...

[crude geode]

The problem is that the suggestion idea is way too big. This would likely take several updates to implement, for something already achievable by just using the world itself. Not to say it isn’t interesting, but calamity is already designed without subworlds in mind, and instead with the already present world (that is also already heavily underutilized and is instead just boss arena biome x or y or z)

@zenith hazel Might wanna exclaim this suggestion for being too high effort #suggestions-posting message

[tender flame]

Are you saying that they purposely are avoiding subworlds, or it would take excessive amounts of time to complete, and that is why the dev's haven't looked into it?

[tawny garden]

they're not avoiding them

[crude geode]

I’m saying if the purpose of subworlds can be achieved by utilizing the main world, why would we really need them, especially if it takes a lot of work to use them.

[cobalt pewter]

Dom isn't against the idea iirc (though he will probably end up making cal-exclusive library instead of using sublib)

[tawny garden]

just that this suggestion system isn't where ideas that big are made

[cobalt pewter]

you ask in vc for that, silly

[tawny garden]

yes

[crude geode]

Fabsol being in VCs was a mistake

[tawny garden]

when Fab's around

sugg system evasion

[pine star]

[tender flame]

?

Confusion

I thought the updates/suggestions/ideas were supposed to be implemented in the S-P

[fossil finch]

Beyond this, you could move Supreme Calamitas to a pocket dimension (with high power blocks that are unable to be broken), in order to remove any exiting cheese rod of discord through the blocks), (Potentially move Yharon and DoG?).
Rod cheese to scal and yharon flame wall is not a thing lol, and they both would make 0 sense to have a subworld with the swole reason of using them as arenas for them, D.o.G dimension subworld is already an idea devs have iirc

[eternal escarp]

its an idea, but not for his fight afaik

[fossil finch]

Yeah

[tawny garden]

(the thing about VCs was a joke)

[eternal escarp]

its an idea that might aswell just wait for tmod 1.4 aswell, since afaik 1.4 tmod will be better to code with? idk im not up to date

[fossil finch]

The polter and Cv part would also not make sense considering lore and more shits and giggles

And don't get me started on the sugg above
Who tf would think that's a good idea

[eternal escarp]

litterly no one other then FTW Skeleprime idea thinkers ig

[crude geode]

I-

[fossil finch]

Yeah and a subworld only for that would make no sense

[tender flame]

You make it just the area...

[fossil finch]

Literally 150 blocks of subworld for a single fight
That's some ram and space usage that is unecessary

[tender flame]

Fine, that doesn't make as much sense, Supreme Cal is already mostly cheese proof (for dmg anyway)

Other than that tho

[crude geode]

Adding subworlds when the world we have kinda sucks feels like putting a shiny new bridge over the wreckage of the previous one.

[tender flame]

?

That is how you are choosing to interpret it...

It could literally be to preserve the size of the world and add more to it (because last I checked, you couldn't have TModloader settings in the world generation settings)

[fossil finch]

Uhhh
You can indeed toggle worldgen
That is a thing
It's a hard toggle to make but it is possible

[crude geode]

Outside of the abyss and sunken sea, calamity exploration is non-existent. Not due to the world size, but due to nothing being there. nothing of importance exists in brimstone crags or the astral outside enemies.

[tender flame]

I am not talking about the 3 size variations

[tender flame]

And that is due to the preservation of the general size and spacing of stuff; instead of removing the intentional abyss feel, you could expand it

[fossil finch]

I'm not talking about worldsize either

[tender flame]

? Confusion

[fossil finch]

Dunno if you read
Kinda

[tender flame]

What are you talking about a hard toggle for world gen that isn't in the loading settings and is "vanilla TModloader"?

[crude geode]

How does what you said relate to what I said. If there’s nothing useful in exploring certain biomes, like post-ml dungeon or brimstone crags, what good does expanding their size do.

[fossil finch]

What
I'm saying a mod can have config settings to toggle the worldgen it adds on and off, and that looks like what you are asking rn, if you aren't idfk what do you mean

[tender flame]

Abyss is spaced out like that (world gen) for feel and for looks; compacting more stuff into that area ruins that feel (as far as I can tell)

[fossil finch]

Making it bigger wouldn't really help it
Going all the way down is already a pain

[crude geode]

I’m not referring to abyss specifically. I think the abyss is fine as is, and has the most exploration content in Calamity.

[fossil finch]

There's more than world ambiance when you make something like a biome, anyways

[crude geode]

But no other biome has any exploration value (outside of maybe draedon labs).

[tender flame]

Ik

[tender flame]

Ye, that is what I originally thought on

The idea of adding maybe some general sub world accessed through draedon's labs

For minibosses/mech/progression

[fossil finch]

That has nothing to do with what cursed said

[tender flame]

"But no other biome has any exploration value (outside of maybe draedon labs)."

Adding a subworld+content in the subworld would give them exploration value

[fossil finch]

Yea, the biomes only have labs as a thing to explore for

You don't explore labs themselves

You explore the biomes they are in to find labs

[tender flame]

Ik... that is what I was getting at

[fossil finch]

That's what he said

[earnest cape]

I just want to pop in and say I don't think this going anywhere at all

[tender flame]

what does untouchable mean?

[earnest cape]

Rev nohit role

[fossil finch]

True
Point is sugg don't and does not have any good reasoning on it tbh

[tawny garden]

nohit role

#info

[cobalt pewter]

you sold your soul to ben a nohit role yes

[tender flame]

K thanks

[cobalt pewter]

Particularly on rev

[crude geode]

Indeed tbfh, I don’t get how adding subworlds helps with expanding a biome’s exploration value, when the original biome still exists and still sucks. You can just expand the biome’s exploration value by adding ores, chests, etc.

[tender flame]

... Idk, maybe what I plan on using for my personal mod (hopefully) is tarnishing my discussions here

[fossil finch]

What

[earnest cape]

My personal opinion of the sugg is it feels slightly pointless since there hasn't been a huge need for a sub world if you consider the lore cause the only thing that can do that(from the top of my head) is dog, deus probably xeroc and maybe noxus. All of them either happened in terraria world or outer soace

[tender flame]

Maybe adding a seperate challenge difficulty or something tho (in a non destructive world, with custom sets of armor/accessories and stuff)

[earnest cape]

That sounds boring and bloated as hell

[tender flame]

True, Idk, Ig the main reason why is how long it would take to create such a system; I have barely learned how to mod swords+sounds, and am a long way from custom subworlds

[eternal escarp]

if one mod did it then idk if every mod has to

[earnest cape]

Yeh

[earnest cape]

This tbh

[tender flame]

Idk... does anyone remember the max storage per mod? (And how much calamity [No music] uses)?

Was it just done that way so there is plenty of room to expand in the calamity mod (that would be hard to do otherwise, in a single mod?)

[earnest cape]

Cursed beig boutta pull a google doc

[crude geode]

Why use subworlds when we already have a main world underutilized as fuck? Dungeon is explored a decent amount but post-ml doesn’t expand upon it at all (you go there for ectoplasm 2.0, phantoplasm, and fight a boss), astral is only used to farm bosses/stardust, and brimstone crags are used for essence of chaos/brimstone elemental. So many unique things in Calamity are shafted because there’s literally nothing to gain from exploring the area, unlike in vanilla where you can get weapons from Golden Chests in the Dungeon, Sky Chests, or any number of unique things for exploring around the world.

[eternal escarp]

litterly this tbh, escaping from the main problem by adding another thing to care about sounds like a bad idea

[tender flame]

I meant removing the weaker enemies and replacing them with more powerful enemies in a subworld (unless there is a way to remove weaker enemies in biome)

[earnest cape]

Wh

[shell grotto]

That already happens

[eternal escarp]

(i like how his ^ was sent after someones message, sorry jfl )

[tender flame]

? ....

[shell grotto]

^

[crude geode]

Hardmode buffs every enemy yknow

[tender flame]

...

[eternal escarp]

it doesnt remove old enemies for obvious reasons, byeah

[fossil finch]

Hardmode literally removed some old enemy spawns until 1.4

It is totally possible

[eternal escarp]

wait really what

[earnest cape]

What does tha- you know what i'll suggest we just stop discussing about the sugg since it's pretty much unsavable by the fact it's too big to implement and again its going nowhere whatsoever

[tender flame]

So I wasn't wrong to buff hardmode stats of enemies... I thought they just added more from the terraria wiki examples

[shell grotto]

Dye plants RIP

[fossil finch]

Normal spiders and giant worms basically

[earnest cape]

I don't see any reason to continue besides being a huge waste of time

[shell grotto]

Oh lol

It’s a fun discussion

[eternal escarp]

oh, well they drop the same things anyways (or the old ones dropped nothing ig) so my point from before still kinda stands

[earnest cape]

Yeh

[shell grotto]

Stop ruining my procrastination to get out of bed

[earnest cape]

Go to gentalk smh

[shell grotto]

😂

[tender flame]

L, I was going off of the idea that I would add "satellite storm", an area beyond space where there is an event, boss etc. (which would be hard to implement with regard of the rest of world gen)

[crude geode]

I don’t leave #suggestions-discussion Misfortune

[shell grotto]

Problem is it’s too specific

[tender flame]

Personal reason on why I am so fixated on subworlds

[earnest cape]

i was talking to mrjfl same i have sold a piece pf my soul here and i cant get it back

[tender flame]

to who?

Certainly not me (Ih)

[earnest cape]

This channel

[shell grotto]

And ben

[earnest cape]

The suggestion channels

[crude geode]

I sold my soul to rover and pledged my life to Thomas without him knowing

[earnest cape]

And ben ye

[tender flame]

ben...?

[shell grotto]

Ben steals our souls

[tender flame]

who tf is ben?

[earnest cape]

Byeah

[tender flame]

A mod?

k

[shell grotto]

Ben

[eternal escarp]

byeah, off topic alert

[fossil finch]

Thomas no longer suggs

[crude geode]

Indeed

[shell grotto]

Yep

[tender flame]

Well... sorry for going off topic, I gtg eat+work on other projects

[earnest cape]

Have fun

[crude geode]

Thomas no longer exists
Byeah have fun

[eternal escarp]

(wait what?)

[crude geode]

He just rarely talks on this server, been like almost 2 weeks

[tawny garden]

went inactive

[eternal escarp]

[tawny garden]

he has 100000 messages in this server, wew

[earnest cape]

[eternal escarp]

@somber tendon its already happening

theres already a rework to stealth in progress

[robust lava]

#changelogs message

[eternal escarp]

image for phone users

[tawny garden]

Feedza boutta storm this place

[earnest cape]

This sugg is pretty useless since its already done next update

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

@ feedza

[tawny garden]

@somber tendon Stealth will be reworked next update, your sugg is a don't

[cobalt pewter]

1ejejrkdkfk

I have been

Called

I guesd

[earnest cape]

Stealth gamer

Yes you have been called

[tawny garden]

The way it stands right now, you need to stand still

[cobalt pewter]

Totally not

[eternal escarp]

feedzuh, shread them with stealth facts or smth

[earnest cape]

Thats obviously wrong

[eternal escarp]

in any case this is future content basically, which is a dont i think

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth is (or should be) balanced around moving around while not attacking

[tawny garden]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

The standing still regen is basically a bonus

If you can capitalize the situation, you'll get stealth a bit faster

[tawny garden]

(somebody remove the sugg)
@zenith hazel

[cobalt pewter]

But standing still shouldn't be the balance for stealth

[tawny garden]

or exclamate

[cobalt pewter]

Also the proposed idea is major wut

[earnest cape]

(or twice on lat- yeah just delete the sugg

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth rogue or true melee

[tawny garden]

stealth melee

[cobalt pewter]

Final Dawn

[tawny garden]

true rogue

[cobalt pewter]

Dumbbell flex

[earnest cape]

Tfw they mentioned ranged as the most powerful classes

[tawny garden]

is it not powerful?

[earnest cape]

Its below average as fuck

[cobalt pewter]

It's meant to be the default class in cal

Mage on the other hand

[earnest cape]

Mhage*

[tawny garden]

m

[cobalt pewter]

🧙‍♂️