suggestions-discussion

[eternal escarp]

who knows

maybe they will keep it as a plan or smthn

if it gets to mod corner, that is

[muted osprey]

e

[frail mantle]

i believe the devs (or at least ozz) wanted to make OD look in the direction he's about to dash as an indicator

[golden narwhal]

Yes, very epic not biased, since closest out of the 2.5 related suggs to 200 is photo's

[warm scarab]

thinkie

[frail mantle]

byeah

[winged linden]

how good is the cosmic bolter?

since its pretty much a terra weapon its kinda lacklustre honestly

its outclassed by weapons like the chloro shotbow which you get before

[warm scarab]

ah

[warm scarab]

how good? it's as good as tin shortsword

[winged linden]

yeah

obviously it shouldnt be like, blossom flux level

[warm scarab]

even darko deals more damage

[winged linden]

yeah its really weak for a terra weapon

[cobalt pewter]

Lunarian and Cosmic Bolter's gimmick is just a bit weird imo, it's not really rewarding to use it

[winged linden]

lunarian bow is good though

just the cosmic bolter just hasnt got any damage

well its not terrible

but its outclassed by bows you get pre-plantera

[warm scarab]

it IS terrible wdym

[winged linden]

its at least usable

[warm scarab]

it's out-classed by everything in ranger class post plant

sniper rifle, tactical shotgun and rocket launchers are all better

[winged linden]

it can definitely do with a buff imo

its unnecessary to make a whole suggestion for it so ill just leave it here

but yeah someone should take a look and compare it to things like the chloro shotbow and arbalest

which you can get before

[earnest cape]

the only thing cosmic bolter's got for itself is a cool gimmick of shooting 3 sliding bolts but that's about it

[winged linden]

through a playthrough ive tried it and the sliding really doesnt do much

its hard to find a situation in which it can be useful

[earnest cape]

yeh

[warm scarab]

the sliding is only useful when you wanna play around with it

[winged linden]

ibstead of shooting those weird projectiles

maybe it will be useful if it just shot terra arrows

like turn arrows shot into terra arrows

[crude geode]

I have never found a situation where the sliding bolts are better than just shooting at the enemy.

[winged linden]

exactly

[earnest cape]

yeah as I said, just a gimmick

it should definitely be buffed

or be reworked

[winged linden]

are terra weapons meant to be like one of the can best weapons you should have post plantera

it doesnt matter too much since blossom flux will always outclass it as a bow

but if youre not on revengeance it should be your best bet

[earnest cape]

comparing it to a legendary from the same stage is pretty unfair

[winged linden]

of course

im aware legendary weapons are meant to be really strong

[earnest cape]

feedza is ahead of us

[winged linden]

i dont mind the lunarian bow too much as that bow is pretty strong

it can do really well against wof

[earnest cape]

I'd beg to differ cause it doesn't pierce and hungries are always in the way

byeah

[cobalt pewter]

Archerfish is quite meta on WoF cus of pierce

Or I guess beenades but lol

[earnest cape]

lol!

[winged linden]

i didnt use the archerfish since im only using bows

[winged linden]

i killed it relatively easily with it

it was better than the goobow at least

[warm scarab]

there's a thing who goes by the name of overloaded blaster
also archerfish is more consistant

[earnest cape]

we were talking about bows.

[winged linden]

i mean archerfish isnt a bow either

anything that uses arrows as ammo i count as a bow

[warm scarab]

yes

[safe oasis]

but it says archer therefore its archer

[warm scarab]

but feed brought up the topic

[warm scarab]

[sleek turret]

This sugg is very specific.

[golden narwhal]

@valid oxide needs a reason and less specifics

[valid oxide]

uh let me change it

[gray nebula]

why does the fact that she's easier to beat after being defeated once matter

that's like

litterally every boss

boo hoo we spend time making a boss that is then able to get re killed more easily

[crude geode]

Twins are easier to defeat once they’ve been beaten once, should we add eye of Cthulhu to their fight?

[swift wharf]

yeah lmao

[crude geode]

@valid oxide see Ivan’s reasoning

Iban*

[rain basalt]

Ichor Bullet and Ichor Arrow damage should be lowered a little bit

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
1- sounds unreasonable and unnecesary
2- fight will not be consistent
3- you know that brothers would be real stupid if you had to move a lot durning em

[cobalt pewter]

The reason seems absurd

[sleek turret]

8 direction shots.

why

literally becoming DoG lasers but slow proyectiles.

[grim tusk]

Yea and considering the dart explosions its just NO

The Scal’s brother’s strat in nohits is to not move much

Cuz then all the projectiles will tear you appart

Adding a moving agressive, ramming target will just make it unfair

[sleek turret]

Frame perfect, even.

[grim tusk]

Yea imagine if the only viable strategy was just melt em before they kill you

Its just a big NO

[sharp prism]

guardians

[grim tusk]

this is why we either shred them with adren or do night provi

[sharp prism]

[grim tusk]

Making guardians more chill during cocoons would be nice

[sharp prism]

just remove guardians phase after you do it once

me thinks

[grim tusk]

Inconsistent fight

Specially cuz unlike DoG, Provi is there while you fight em

[sharp prism]

yeah

sadly

[cobalt pewter]

Just remove Guardians

Bad design when melt or be melted is the only strat

(or in provi's case, do a challenge ver just to get rid of that bad design)

[hot zephyr]

I think they could be reworked

Maybe provi stays in a constant, but weaker cocoon phase, and guardians are slower

[cobalt pewter]

That is an option

[sharp prism]

Original idea isnt it?

oh

[grim tusk]

making them fuck off durning cocoon would also work

[sleek turret]

They could serve as their purpose.

i.e Defensive Guardians protects Provi.

Offesive could stop ramming into the player and shoot 8 directional spear or do something else that isn't ramming.

[grim tusk]

Yea like defensive gives provi a ton of DR while its alive and attack you, offensive just tries to murder you but yea currently its too bland, and healing is fine atm

[sleek turret]

They could switch into patterns and depending who is helping Providence does something I guess.

i.e example;
Defensive gives defense/dr bonus to Provi, Offensive increases damage or fire rate of Provi's proyectiles, Healer could heal but not at the rate it is today (aka: heal almost every 1s)

[grim tusk]

Maybe

[safe oasis]

isnt it literally in the mod list

[velvet locust]

most people dont check that

and also people go to the title screen much more

(i mean, it is the first thing you see when you boot up the game)

[safe oasis]

it doesnt take very much effort to check

[sharp prism]

^

[safe oasis]

unless you want something yelling at you constantly that you are currently version 1.4.5.007

[velvet locust]

i would prefer that than not knowing what version im on

also it doesnt have to be in big letters

[safe oasis]

you can already check what version you're on though

[sharp prism]

You

Check

you modlist

its not hard

[safe oasis]

literally click a single button and scroll

[sharp prism]

^

[velvet locust]

no one wants to do that every second

[safe oasis]

what?

[sharp prism]

Huh

You

[safe oasis]

do you have amnesia?

[velvet locust]

no

[grim tusk]

It literally takes no effort

[sharp prism]

Then why are you clicking every single second

[grim tusk]

Also yes, if you know what ver you in you dont need to check again

[sharp prism]

[velvet locust]

im just saying, putting it in something as frequently checked as a title screen is better then a mod list

[sleek turret]

if you can hit the select "Singleplayer" screen you can also hit the "Mods" and "Mod Browser" screen.

[velvet locust]

also changing the mod name can confuse players

[safe oasis]

lets say, theoretically, that this change is implemented ok

how would knowing that you're on something like 1.4.5.002 tell you whether you're on the latest or not

people who dont have the latest versions often think they're on the latest version anyway

[sleek turret]

YEAH

[velvet locust]

it would be easier to tell at least

[safe oasis]

tell what

[velvet locust]

what version you are on and if your version is outdated

[safe oasis]

[grim tusk]

That what the mods screen fucking does

[safe oasis]

what

[sharp prism]

how would it do that without updating the version youre on

[grim tusk]

Your sugg doesnt have any logic

[sleek turret]

1- if you can click the tmod shortcut to game you can also click every single option on the menu

[grim tusk]

Also ^

[sharp prism]

telling you if its outdated i mean

[velvet locust]

it helps

[sharp prism]

you

[safe oasis]

you're just repeating yourself without adding any further reasoning

[sharp prism]

didnt answer my question

[grim tusk]

^

[sleek turret]

2- how the fuck people with old versions will know that they are on a old version if this was implemented on the latest version in first place

[sharp prism]

Thats what i said

[grim tusk]

Your sugg hasnt logic, isnt possible and the solution is already fucking there in the mod list

[velvet locust]

but it helps

[grim tusk]

How tf

[sleek turret]

ugh

[grim tusk]

Like mod screen already exists

[velvet locust]

and putting it in something as frequently looked at helps

[grim tusk]

Your sugg will be 100% rejected for fucking unreasonable and too much effort

[safe oasis]

ok we're getting no where

[grim tusk]

^

[safe oasis]

just move on he's repeating himself

[velvet locust]

fuck

[sleek turret]

3- If you can fucking click the tMod Steam Shortcut or something to open tMod that means that you can:
Click every single option selection screen on the menu.
Update all mods.

[velvet locust]

most people dont know about it

[safe oasis]

what

[velvet locust]

like the people who just downloaded the mod

[crystal iron]

You just have to "update all"

[velvet locust]

or the people who are new to tmodloader

[safe oasis]

the people who just downloaded the mod already have the latest version

???

[grim tusk]

They literally have to get to mod browser which tells the version and what psychic said

[velvet locust]

but that version will eventually get updated

[crystal iron]

Then you just have to update??? It will say in mod browser

[sleek turret]

And if they are exploring the entire menu screen they will eventually touch the Mod Browser section and Mods section.

[grim tusk]

if only Rover was online

[sleek turret]

And a million youtube tutorials of how to use tMod exists.

[safe oasis]

free trial mod points

[grim tusk]

~~hes also sugg administrator ~~

[safe oasis]

same thing

anyway tl;dr
delete the suggestion and move on

[velvet locust]

what

no

[grim tusk]

Yes

[sharp prism]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-wall-talk-gif-5290288

[crystal iron]

Literally everyone is telling you why this feature is useless

[velvet locust]

im not deleting it

end of story

[sleek turret]

Mods will if they find a valid reason to.

[sharp prism]

byech no reason to add it if it already exists in another place

[safe oasis]

and what is your reason for not deleting it

[zenith hazel]

yea, as stated already, the version number exists in the mods menu

I don't see a reason to add it

[velvet locust]

some people dont know about that

[sharp prism]

bruh

[zenith hazel]

what makes you assume that?

[velvet locust]

it is not as frequently talked about as 1.5

or vanilla 1.4

[zenith hazel]

that has no correlation

[grim tusk]

You literally can see the mod version on mod browser as you are going to download it

[crystal iron]

Chances are ppl actually do

[sleek turret]

Ooh, and also one thing.

[velvet locust]

what

[sleek turret]

The curiosity about: "What is this <selection screen>" that people will always be wondering about.

"Where do I download mods?"
"Where do I check my mods?"

[zenith hazel]

how would some people not know what version they're on?

that's their job to look at the mods menu

this just seems like unnecessary spoonfeeding

[safe oasis]

all of this isnt even counting the fact that tmod literally says "Loading Calamity (No Music) Version 1.4.5.7"

when booting up

[sleek turret]

^

[zenith hazel]

^

[sleek turret]

Sandboxing <mods>
Loading <mod name and version>

[velvet locust]

fine

i will delete it

idiots

[grim tusk]

[zenith hazel]

insulting people doesn't help either

[grim tusk]

Specially when everyone is against your idea

[zenith hazel]

that goes for all of you here

but insulting people regardless will harm your credibility

byeah, you get my point

#suggestions-posting message also, did no one ❗ this?

why?

I thought it was established balancing suggestions are discouraged + lacerator's already been balanced

[grim tusk]

We literally discused yesterday with him to not sugg that

[zenith hazel]

sigh

@signal glade ^

[grim tusk]

Heck even Piky stepped in and told him that was already done

[zenith hazel]

and as for the scal sugg

that's a hard no for me

[sleek turret]

Yesterday I asked Piky about Lacerator getting viable finally and tested it.

[zenith hazel]

the gap between pre-scal gear and post-scal gear is not that significant

I don't see any point in buffing her for the next fights

it seems unnecessary and makes grinding for shadowspec bars even more of a chore

@valid oxide please provide a better reason as to why this is needed, because this just unnecessarily makes farming scal even more tedious

[frozen hornet]

SCal is already hard enough imo

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-discussion message

[signal glade]

does that apply specifically only to scal?

[grim tusk]

It applies to providence too

With the guardians

[signal glade]

i almost said polter but its getting revamped right?

no more bs dash/ram?

[grim tusk]

Polter is fine atm, his tile enrage is the only problem which has gotten addressed next patch

[pure dust]

One shot dragonfooly and nothing bad happended lol

[grim tusk]

The softlock bug if thats you are refering too only happens if you dont kill it but skip his first 2 phases

[pure dust]

btw I forgot that this is suggestion discussion

[signal glade]

oh yeah what balance is given to lacerator?

[safe oasis]

buff

thats all we know, ask the testers

[hollow shell]

Should I make a pin telling people to not make any balance suggestions for post-ML content

[distant gyro]

yes

[dapper coral]

yes pls

hell, balance suggs in general
because pre-ML also won't be touched for like 2 months

[hollow shell]

(It is actually already a Don't for people to not make balance suggestions, even pre 1.5 development
With the alternative being just telling the testers directly, to save time

but uhh iunno how easy that is for people, s'not like we provide a list of testers)

[dapper coral]

i feel like this was brought up before but idr
we can absolutely provide a list of testers, but i feel like right now we shouldn't even encourage asking for balance at all

so maybe once post-ML is done, we can put up a list

[hollow shell]

Yeah

... I don't think it's too fair to say no to all balance suggs tho during this timeframe
Even if they can't get done immediately, they will be delivered and the testers can look back at them once they're free to

[zenith hazel]

what’s the point when we’re going to look through every single cal wep anyway?

[hollow shell]

With PostML stuff, yeah that's guaranteed to be changed
but PreML stuff would just be forgotten and slip through the cracks if we disallow them too

[dapper coral]

^ what brav said

[zenith hazel]

we’re not forgetting pre-ml stuff

[dapper coral]

it's kinda funky because everything is gonna be looked at, period

[hollow shell]

You're doing the entire game?

[zenith hazel]

we’re gonna go all the way back to pre-boss after post-ml

yes

[hollow shell]

I thought it was just PostML because of the flattening

[zenith hazel]

so yes, suggesting weapon rebalancing is redundant

[dapper coral]

no flattening is happening in pre-ML but we're still gonna go through everything

[zenith hazel]

we’re looking into everything so that people would stop praising some shit as the holy grail of op weapons

[hollow shell]

Aight, that's cool then

[dapper coral]

byeah even if they are technically already not bueno it would be good to just reiterate it with a pin since that's especially important rn

[zenith hazel]

also bot's down, notified amber

[ancient mirage]

profaned rage and holy wrath boost all classes

[crystal holly]

Wait a minute do they

[dapper coral]

yeah

[crystal holly]

If they do I fucked up real bad

[dapper coral]

they're rage and wrath upgrades

shattering is a better example

[distant gyro]

the melee and rogue thing is indeed shattering

mage technically has aureus cell as a magic power duration upgrade

[crystal holly]

Ah shit they do

[zenith hazel]

bot has resurrected

[crystal holly]

Fuck
Should've done my research
Curse my sleepy brain

[distant gyro]

summoner will not get one because 2 minion slots in 1 potion is a sin

[crystal holly]

..why is it a sin though

[distant gyro]

we don't like to balance around minions being en masse

[crystal holly]

Oh
Oh, I remembered the statis cheese

[distant gyro]

statis cheese is gone for that reason

[crystal holly]

You mean is gone or will be gone in Drae update?

[distant gyro]

will be

[crystal holly]

Ay then it's alright I already nearly passed the game on summoner

Aight but ranger

Why doesn't ranger have like
An upgrade of the ammo reservation potion

[distant gyro]

maybe

that could be a thing

if you find a good enough reason for it to be suggested

usually 1 reason won't cut it for item suggestions

[crystal holly]

..balance?
I mean, it's not exactly from my experience since I play summoner (which from the experience is pretty damn weak at least in terms of defence, fearmonger is op though)
But calamity ranger players I know say their class is weak
Maybe that's just self deprecation though

[hollow shell]

I think the fact that none of our potions touch ranged, not even Cirrus's drinks, is a fine reason

From what I've heard, ranged is a very strong class

[crystal holly]

None of Cirrus' drinks touch ranged?

[distant gyro]

I think ammo reservation is alright to touch on

[crystal holly]

I thought one of them increased all damage

[hollow shell]

Well
Anything that boosts all damage does, yes

I meant specifically

[crystal holly]

Yeh that's kind of a problem

[distant gyro]

Endgame forms of ranger ammo QoL is just outright granting most ranged weapons chance to not consume ammo

Photoviscerator has a whopping 90%

[crystal holly]

Also I wanted to suggest a summoner potion which made summons inflict an effect but I then realized that it would be buggy and kind of overpowered

Photo is broken and we all know that

Alright
Terribly sorry, phone's dying and I need to sleep

[hollow shell]

Aight
Maybe remove the sugg for now and repost a new one when you wake up?

[dapper coral]

not to mention it's 90% reduction off the ammo type that you should have literally thousands of by the time you get to that point

if not tens of thousands

byeah

[glass sentinel]

wrong channel

[distant vault]

gone

[slate turtle]

❗

[tawny garden]

eh

the argument isn't great

[gray nebula]

speed runge

[hollow shell]

..... mmmmm

[safe oasis]

"allow me to toggle literally exploiting the game"

[tawny garden]

because everybody would turn it on if they wanted to use it

[hollow shell]

Very unlikely that we will allow people to have such an abusable exploit by choice

[broken trellis]

thr whole point is ti exploit the game

[hollow shell]

They can exploit the game with what they have

[broken trellis]

sorry im terrible at writing

[gray nebula]

and thats what we dont want yea

[hollow shell]

If we fix it, tough shit, find something else

(imo)

[broken trellis]

to exploit like the duping glitch

[gray nebula]

Also a part of speedrunning is having to find new ways to exploit the game when previous glitches get fixed

[broken trellis]

and it can be a persons choice to toggle it on

if they want to ruin thei expirence

[tawny garden]

it's an exploit that doesn't ruin experience

quite the opposite

[safe oasis]

if you want pseudo godmode that bad just get cheat sheet

[tawny garden]

unless you want to play fair

yeah

[fossil finch]

also this does not help speedrunning at all
that's not how speedrunning with glitches works on the first place
Iban said it

[broken trellis]

i just rathered spend 5 hours at my computer rather than 16 hours

[zenith hazel]

then use cheat sheet

nobody's stopping you

[safe oasis]

yeah or just find something else to speedrun

[broken trellis]

that's not the point

[zenith hazel]

is that not the argument you're trying to make?

[fossil finch]

calamity is not much speedrunneable lol
it allows for any% but not for speedruns

"This change would primarily would help speed runners that want to speed run calamity with glitches and its a pain not getting to use one of the most overpowered glitches which would shave hours off their times." yes it is the point

[broken trellis]

the type if speedruns im talkin about is

the ones

[fossil finch]

™️

[broken trellis]

hectique did

[safe oasis]

the one like 2 years ago?

[broken trellis]

yh basically

[safe oasis]

you expect the mod to be the same as 2 years ago basically?

just download that version of the mod

[broken trellis]

just that one mechanic like what

[fossil finch]

still there's no real reasoning, and it is a sugg about readding a glitch

[safe oasis]

hectique also used several strategies and weapons that wouldnt be viable in current clam

if you want to have a similar styled run download an older version of the mod

[broken trellis]

im not talkin about his stratiges

im just talking about the glitch

[fossil finch]

then your point is re add a glitch so i can copy something hectique did 2 years ago or what

[robust lava]

Even just the concept of "yes, let's re-add a glitch" is a weird idea

[fossil finch]

^

[broken trellis]

that you can toggle on and off

[fossil finch]

that does nothing

[robust lava]

That's basically saying "add a godmode toggle"

[broken trellis]

in settings how does that not do anything

[fossil finch]

because people will turn it off
yeah
sure

[robust lava]

Even if this gets to voting and gets to devs, I don't see an outcome where they would choose to implement this

[tawny garden]

"add a godmode toggle but a bit worse somehow"

[broken trellis]

that not my problem tho they are the ones that decided to not expirence the fun of calamity

[wooden wedge]

hasn't re-adding bugs and things back into the game something that has been turned down before

[crude geode]

You’re the one doing that tho.

[fossil finch]

the fun of calamity is cheesing bosses

[robust lava]

Does the "fun of calamity" include sitting still and being immune during all boss fights?

[tawny garden]

readding an exploit only lowers the integrity of the mod

[sleek turret]

"Add Godmode but piercing i-frames de-activate it."

[tawny garden]

ye

[broken trellis]

speed running like did you read my thing

[wooden wedge]

does anyone even speedrun this game though

[novel belfry]

hmm

[fossil finch]

that does not help speedrunning
and, again, the mod is not for speedrunning

[sleek turret]

Speedrun server does, every millenia.

[tawny garden]

like approx. 2 people do

[broken trellis]

just because you say its doesnt mean it trye

[sleek turret]

And most of them are on King Slime category.

[novel belfry]

What if I made a suggestion to make the Calamity mod more speedrun-friendly

[fossil finch]

vanilla yes, nobody bothers with modded because it's really inconsistent

[wooden wedge]

and like, if you want to speedrun the mod with the bug why dont you just downgrade the mod

[broken trellis]

how do you do that

[crude geode]

Download an old version of the mod

[whole sedge]

Speedrunning content mods is just a bad idea because they're content mods

[broken trellis]

i didnt know that was a thing lol

[sleek turret]

downpatching is banned on calamity speedruns.

lol

you can't use older versions of the mod for speedrunning.

[broken trellis]

oh

[sleek turret]

its banned as specified to rule 8: "No downpatching."

[wooden wedge]

isee

[fossil finch]

it already has the any% skips and the next update will make those skips more useful on post moonlord, not much more can't be done
and again, this does not help glitch% speedruns
their whole gimmick is having to adapt when one is patched

[sleek turret]

if I had an example; most runs that people do on speedrun server, when they do either are:
King Slime

why KS exactly?

because you don't need to basically go all over with the mod

[broken trellis]

i just like to speedrun the mod and many other do also and i think this would increase the enjoyment

[fossil finch]

"many other do" speak for yourself
don't put others that do not exist on this

[wooden wedge]

if the majority of speedruns are to king slime then your sugg would like literally just be for yourself

[fossil finch]

unless you have like
a consistent prove people think that

[whole sedge]

Yeah, nobody wants to speedrun 100%ing a content mod that can take upwards of 20 hours hence why 100% categories and super long speedruns like that are usually the least used category and even so just find a new bug or something if it gets patched, that's part of the fun of speedrunning from my experiences

[broken trellis]

i do my friend does and many others ive done thiss with

[wooden wedge]

which at that point you could just make a mod to do trhat

or ask someone else to

[sleek turret]

Glitch-less DoG took 7 hours and 40 minutes.

[fossil finch]

don't get too overboard with the speedrun part kaizo

suggdiscussion
minimodding

[sleek turret]

not going to explain how low% works ender

[wooden wedge]

the sugg is literally about speedrunning

[broken trellis]

.

[fossil finch]

yes but they are talking about unrelated

[whole sedge]

either way having your reasoning be based on a very niche community is no bueno

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Can you exclaim the sugg? It’s literally adding a toggle for a pseudo godmode Bc “speedrun” even tho it kinda goes against the speed running community

[safe oasis]

why specifically rover

[sleek turret]

tbf people who did speedruns when speedrunner server existed in first place** are lower than 10**

[safe oasis]

jhin is right there

[fossil finch]

point was uh
-No this does not make speedruns more enjoyable
-this does not help glitch% speedruns either
-People don't do speedruns in general
-it is adding an unintended and exploitable aspect of the game back that was patched for a reason

[wooden wedge]

the only reason i think it'd need an ❗ would be for the last reason but i dont know if that's actually a dont or not

i havent read the suggs doc in like a year

[tawny garden]

do

[fossil finch]

it really lacks reasoning and i think re-adding patched stuff is not allowed overall, can't remember if the sugg doc mentions stuff like this, however

[sleek turret]

tbf it would fall into the don't category: "Any suggestions involving re-adding removed features or sprites" honestly.

[crude geode]

Tbfh my brain didn’t even process this lmao

Byeah

[fossil finch]

ye

[wooden wedge]

purple.

[tawny garden]

yeah

[crude geode]

Purple indeed

[safe oasis]

it counts as this technically

a glitch can be a feature

[broken trellis]

Now i think over it its kinda stupid

[wooden wedge]

yeah that would count

[safe oasis]

damn we on a whole ❗ spree

[tawny garden]

there was a talk here earlier about pins

I think the Emote sugg pin should be unpinned

it's been a month

[crude geode]

Wasn’t it still being discussed or smthn

[tawny garden]

most similar pins here last for 2 weeks at most

[dapper coral]

in what way? i don't recall much

[crude geode]

Like what to do regarding emote suggs

[dapper coral]

they're not coming back here, that's for sure
idk how they're going to be implemented but it's not through the sugg channels for the foreseeable future

so the pin could maybe go

[tawny garden]

if they are somehow coming back, there would be a new pin

here or somewhere else

[dapper coral]

mhm

[hollow shell]

Yeah emote pin can be unpinned. It's in the Don'ts now and s'been a month

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

Wonderful

[hollow shell]

This look good for the balance pin?

[grim tusk]

Finding strats for post-ML speedruns yes
That anyone has the time to do em

[hollow shell]

For the time being, do not post any Post-Moon Lord balance suggestions.
The Post-Moon Lord stage of the game is going through a 'stat flattening' for the 1.5 update. The health and damage numbers of everything in that stage is getting adjusted significantly into a less extreme curve.
As such, posting any balance suggestions regarding this tier would be useless, as the numbers are already being changed and re-tested to fit the new curve. Please wait for 1.5's release, and see how your subject of concern performs under the new system.

[tawny garden]

[dapper coral]

yeah that's cool

cheers

[broken trellis]

[hollow shell]

Cool

[grim tusk]

What about like enemy, drop rate or boss changes suggestions?

[hollow shell]

Drop rate isn't balance as far as I'm concerned

[dapper coral]

that's a different kind of balance

[tawny garden]

these are fine

[hollow shell]

Enemy and bosses, I am unsure about

[grim tusk]

provi guardians

[distant gyro]

enemy stat can be a balance suggestion

[hollow shell]

Is that in the testers scope?

[distant gyro]

ie. "Nerf Scorn Eater's health"

[hollow shell]

Or is it only items?

for 1.5

[distant gyro]

which is already handled

[hollow shell]

@zenith hazel

[zenith hazel]

weapons only imo

[dapper coral]

^

[hollow shell]

Alright

What about armor and accs?

[dapper coral]

there are a couple that are being rebalanced

[distant gyro]

weapon is the biggest one

[dapper coral]

reaver obv, godslayer/silva

etc

[grim tusk]

I was refering to things like “Make Old Duke tooth balls slower”, “make guardians more agressive during prof guardian fight”, “make provi’s guardians be more chill during a cocoon” or things like that

[distant gyro]

armor and accs, whatever

[zenith hazel]

they're both grey areas

[dapper coral]

but weapons is the biggest deal

[zenith hazel]

but chances are we've already heard armor rebalancing "suggs" in #calamity-mod-talk or #calamity-update-talk so shrug

[distant gyro]

those aren't balance suggestions

[grim tusk]

[hollow shell]

Alright
I'll specify it to just weapons

[distant gyro]

they don't concern stats

[grim tusk]

What would they count as then? (Also pretty sure movement speed is a stat)

[distant gyro]

but rather how things do stuff

in dev tag terms it'd probably be a Function Change

[grim tusk]

[distant gyro]

NPC movement speed isn't a global stat

unless you count a vector that goes 2 to the left and 2 upwards as one

[grim tusk]

Like that time with Scal moons in Acid rain

[hollow shell]

How's the pin look now?

[grim tusk]

Good

[distant gyro]

idk if it is redundant to clarify what a balancing suggestion is

[grim tusk]

also does anyone call Brimstone monsters by their actual name rather than moons

[tawny garden]

Feedza did

in a sugg

once

[distant gyro]

ie. "Make Belladonna do more damage but shoot less projectiles" should be valid under an item functional change

[hollow shell]

I usually call them "Brimstone Monster Orbs"
I only call em moons when everybody else in the convo is, to prevent confusion

And uhhhh

[distant gyro]

Whereas "Nerf Belladonna and here's 34 million reasons why" blatantly isn't

[hollow shell]

Prolly best to just disallow the former one as well

Tell em to save it for after 1.5 releases

[distant gyro]

I think the former is completely fine, even though we might think of that as a solution

[grim tusk]

Yea now it looks good

[red anvil]

Why isn’t this server in discovery yet

[hollow shell]

iunno
I think cuz it'll involve administrative changes that we're not ready to handle yet, or that we're fine with our place currently?

[red anvil]

Maybe

[earnest cape]

new pin nice

[crude geode]

water arenas are so cringe

#suggestions-voting message

[warm scarab]

[earnest cape]

.....water arenas aren't intended for any fights

[crude geode]

^

Good for you, I still don’t like water arenas and am not going to use them.

[earnest cape]

you fight them normally meaning no water arena

no bosses are tested with water arenas in mind

[crude geode]

Bc abyss exists

[earnest cape]

ye

[crude geode]

and is like a point in progression 3 times, and is necessary for auric armor iirc

[warm scarab]

scal fight but water arena

[warm scarab]

ofc

[earnest cape]

I am stop using water arenas they're cringe

[warm scarab]

^

can't agree more

[crude geode]

New Sugg Idea: Provi destroys water with her projectiles

?

What do you expect to happen when a Sun goddess comes near your pool of water

[warm scarab]

first of all, why are you not fighting her normally

[warm scarab]

it's not

the cringe thing is water arena

[earnest cape]

anyhow I don't see this going anywhere so move to #calamity-mod-talk

[warm scarab]

ok

[dapper coral]

as much as you guys hate water arenas it's not exactly relevant, yes

[crude geode]

Ye

[warm scarab]

the thing is

[crude geode]

shhhhh this is not really about suggestions

Go to #calamity-mod-talk

[warm scarab]

@vale hare why not suggest "make provi's box not remove liquid inside instead of drying everything"

that just sounds better

we get to keep the box
you get to keep your water

[crude geode]

Box is cringe anyways, it has no purpose outside of hell.

[warm scarab]

it's not cringe

it's only purpose is in hell

not now

[dapper coral]

don't post it yet, correct

[warm scarab]

^

[earnest cape]

wait for like

a week? or so

idr

[crude geode]

Ye

[warm scarab]

should be enough

[dapper coral]

there's no hard limit on what someone else can suggest the same thing about, but if it seems like the sugg already there won't make it to 200 (probably after about a week) then you can post your version

[earnest cape]

believe me it's been suggested multiple times already

[warm scarab]

what

[crude geode]

The game can already tell if she is in hallow or hell, it’s how the unique attacks work.

[warm scarab]

[warm scarab]

ye

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

Just into voting today

[fossil finch]

And a totally different, and more valid reason tbh, was used

[signal glade]

Why not just remove the box itself or make it small like WoF?

its annoying to clean up

[earnest cape]

(personal solution: veinminer)

[signal glade]

I do use veinminer

But what if some doesnt use mods like that

[earnest cape]

not a counterargument, just a suggestion on how to deal with them

[signal glade]

and fabsol even added luminite as a spawn while their is operator npc from alch

nonetheless just use veinmine

[fossil finch]

I mean alch npc is much more intrusive and unused mod than veinminer

[muted osprey]

od prob gonna get lore tho

[tawny garden]

it's going to happen eventually

[ashen warren]

sweet

[hollow shell]

It's in progress yeah

[tawny garden]

so that's future content

again a don't

[hollow shell]

That's not what that means

[earnest cape]

isn't lore already being worked on so this sugg is kinda obsolete

[hollow shell]

That's just him suggesting something that happened to be already planned

ain't him suggesting a change to an upcoming feature

[golden narwhal]

@ashen warren yo

[tawny garden]

ah

[hollow shell]

(he's already here, AsianMan)

[ashen warren]

hm?

[golden narwhal]

oh

[earnest cape]

galaxy brain

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

Okay it may not be as imminent or in-progress as I thought

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

welp

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

It's come eventually
but

[tawny garden]

tbf, all of lore is like that

[rotund tree]

poor od

[hollow shell]

I don't think we have... anything yet

[earnest cape]

[eternal escarp]

byeah

[hollow shell]

indeed.

[earnest cape]

perish blast

bad emote

[eternal escarp]

#suggestions-voting message im bad at dates and stuff but, its been enough time since this was suggested right?

[tawny garden]

the real question is: will the OD lore sugg somehow speed things up, or will it have no effect?
I'm inclined to believe that it's the latter

[eternal escarp]

~~i just really want building to be easier ~~

[dapper coral]

yeah you're good blast

[hollow shell]

Yeah you can sugg that again

[dapper coral]

it's been over a week

[eternal escarp]

aight cool

[tawny garden]

2 weeks, even

[hollow shell]

The rule's 1 week

It's been almost exactly 2 weeks

[eternal escarp]

ah lmfao

[earnest cape]

one hour till its officially 2 weeks

I can't count

[tawny garden]

we went to school

[eternal escarp]

exactly the reason i didnt count myself and i just asked

byeah

if theres anything i should add or fix then lemme know

[hollow shell]

Yeah considering the previous one didn't even get close to the req actually
Prolly should have edits

I noticed the previous one had a video that didn't embed
Maybe you should re-send the sugg with it as a direct attachment?

[eternal escarp]

o, yeah thats true

i already forgot i had the video

[hollow shell]

Suggs with visual accompaniment usually do well

That's been a fact since the SIS days

[eternal escarp]

so ill resend the sugg with the video then

[hollow shell]

Ye

Once the cooldowns over

[tawny garden]

slowmode

why can't files be attached to a message after it's been sent?

[bitter drift]

[tawny garden]

pisscord

[hollow shell]

Pretty crusty yeah

[eternal escarp]

yeah lol

[hollow shell]

Good demo video
Some of those are quite slow

[tawny garden]

it works good enough

[dapper coral]

considering it's blossom pick, i would agree those are pretty surprisingly slow

[eternal escarp]

prty sure these were all of them unless silva crystal also takes more then once

a counter-arguement could be to use crystyl crusher ig, but its just not really built to work like an actuall pickaxe due to it being wayy too fast

[tawny garden]

crystyl is bad

[muted osprey]

why doesn't crystyl crusher right click work with veinminer

dum

[tawny garden]

cuz the right click is some crap

[earnest cape]

crusty? it's at least 720p for me

i am dumb

[tawny garden]

ye, but on a 4k screen that's smol

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

the right click is a projectile

with the block-breaking functionality being added in

the right click isn't a pickaxe

so veinmeiner doesn't treat it as one

it doesn't pick, it destroys tiles

[earnest cape]

thanks terraria

[hollow shell]

(oh by crusty I was referring to Discord)

[tawny garden]

Pisscord, inc.

[hollow shell]

(lack of file upload on edit)

[earnest cape]

sad

[tawny garden]

it is possible to do

considering that messages are edited by sending over the entire message again

[earnest cape]

ye

[tawny garden]

they just don't do it

[warm scarab]

crystyl crusher right click work with veinminer right

if you're close enough

[eternal escarp]

idk

[rotund tree]

the right click can even break progression-locked ores

[eternal escarp]

does it matter tbh

[warm scarab]

because it's not a tool breaking blocks

[rotund tree]

you can technically get astral ore in low%

[warm scarab]

it's a projectile breaking blocks

[eternal escarp]

only when its not usefull

for the most part, byeah

[sleek wadi]

And only in scal low%

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

Hol up

[earnest cape]

holding up

[hollow shell]

Crystyl Crusher's right-click, as in the swing, is a projectile?

[warm scarab]

i think they meant left click

[rotund tree]

oh it's left ?

[warm scarab]

because right click is normal pickaxe

it's left

[hollow shell]

The laser is on left-click

[warm scarab]

^

[rotund tree]

oh ok

[warm scarab]

lol

[rotund tree]

[tawny garden]

Ah, was I foiled by thinking of older versions or smth

le dumb

[earnest cape]

were you thinking of crystyl crusher that shoots pink dusts that destroys stuff

[tawny garden]

ye

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

tbf the last time I used Crusher was before it got an alt use

[earnest cape]

byeha

[warm scarab]

this sugg is quality

[frail mantle]

doesn't Confused just, like,

not work on some enemies at all for no real reason

[safe oasis]

In boss fights it does nothing, because most boss minions and all bosses are immune to it, meaning it does nothing
kinda redundant here

[tawny garden]

most enemies are immune to the debuff

[earnest cape]

(don';t quote me on this) im pretty sure relogic had to recode confusion so it actually worked

for 1.4 boc

[tawny garden]

in 1.4 BoC went from useless to OP

[earnest cape]

once again don't quote me on it

ye

[safe oasis]

talking about the accessory or the boss

[tawny garden]

acc

[frail mantle]

the accessory

[earnest cape]

acc

[frail mantle]

except the reason it's so strong in JE is purely because of the dodge

[crude geode]

yep

[tawny garden]

aha

Confusion still sucks ass

[frail mantle]

the on hit confusion could be removed and not a single person would give a shit because the on hit confusion does not matter

[earnest cape]

didn't it also increased some stats when you dodge

[frail mantle]

yes

[safe oasis]

its like counter scarf but RNG

[earnest cape]

wdym counter scarf is also rng

it never works half the time

[safe oasis]

[earnest cape]

byeah

[crude geode]

Byech

Confusion bad

[tawny garden]

get 285 stars on this

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

Despite the major immunity removal of many debuffs on NPCs in 1.4.1, Confused didn't get this treatment as apparently each of the AI needs to be recoded to be able to be affected by Confused

[tawny garden]

sign of bad coding

no way to easily reverse the directions for an npc

[cobalt pewter]

I would love for Confused to actually work beyond Fighter AI, but that'd actually take a shitton of work

[gray nebula]

bbrreaking the boss rush with

ores

[robust lava]

New event falls under "large amount of work" in the don'ts doc

[golden narwhal]

Calamity already adds a lot of ores/dug-up block things tbh

Should at least acknowledge those

[fossil finch]

Mmyes more ores
There's not like 6 already

[golden narwhal]

@meager tangle ^

[earnest cape]

@meager tangle

oh you already deleted the sugg

[crude geode]

That or some mod murdered

[earnest cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i need help

Make Golem Head behave the same way as SCal when holding a true melee weapon
When you hold a true melee weapon scal's movement will be sloppier i.e. having a harder time to lock on to the side of the player making it easier to hit with true melee.

When golem's body is under 44%, the golem head(in phase 2) will change its movement pattern and starts firing explosive fireballs behaving similarly to scal where it locks on to various positions around the player. Making golem head slower when holding a true melee weapon would make true melee users have an easier time during the fight and would make

help me improve this

im having a hard time to word it correctly while also making sense of it

[sleek turret]

'true melee-rs' could be replaced by 'true melee users'

[cobalt pewter]

Imagine not bursting the body down

[frail mantle]

i feel like this would fall under a subclass suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

^

[sleek turret]

oh

[frail mantle]

but then again calamity does try to make sure its bosses are possible for people playing true melee so i'm not sure

[crude geode]

Yeah it’s confusing

[sleek turret]

and also capitalize Golem and SCal when they are mentioned

[crude geode]

True melee is both a subclass and not one.

[earnest cape]

yeah would be great if i didn't need to rely on 100+ defense and adrenaline to not literally explode

[earnest cape]

I'll change it

[golden narwhal]

I mean, golem is already possible true melee because body, byea

[crude geode]

“When Golem’s body is under 44% (in Phase 2), his head will change movement patterns, locking onto various positions around the player while firing explosive fireballs. This is similar to SCal’s movement, and as such should be nerfed in a similar manner while holding a true melee sword, to make the fight easier.”

[earnest cape]

(also the sugg is a bit incomplete)

aight thanks

[crude geode]

np

[earnest cape]

now to hope people will actually star it

[golden narwhal]

[earnest cape]

#lovefortruemelee

[crude geode]

And for @radiant meadow to not consider nerfing golem’s head while holding a true melee weapon a subclass suggestion

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

I feel like defining that don’t more is kinda needed at this point in time, considering stealth rogue and true melee. Whether it is specifying them as subclasses or something else, it probably should happen.

[earnest cape]

setalth is probably a subclass while true melee imo isn't

true melee is pure neutral, ranger melee is chaotic neutral and ranger left click and true melee left click+ranger right click is chaotic evil

[crude geode]

Except stealth is something that has an endgame accessory in the eclipse mirror, and has tons of support and changelogs dedicated to it.

Similar to true melee.

[earnest cape]

thats true

[crude geode]

except true melee doesn’t have a endgame accessory

[earnest cape]

dog lore

i may be dumb

[crude geode]

accessory

[earnest cape]

[radiant meadow]

what's happening now?

[crude geode]

Is the current suggestion a subclass suggestion?

[radiant meadow]

I think it's fine

[crude geode]

Can we update the subclass don’t to specify it doesn’t apply (at least as much) to stealth rogue and true melee?

Since those two are practically half of their respective classes’ identities.

[radiant meadow]

Isn't that more like about adding specific weapons to those subclasses?

[crude geode]

It’s kinda vague to be honest. That’s the example given, but it’s not specific in the title.

It just says “making a subclass (weapon type) more viable”

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth rogue and true melee are playstyles rather than subclasses

imo

[earnest cape]

poggers

[warm scarab]

mis are you suggesting this to make you able to get past golem in your tru meme no hits

[sleek turret]

how do you even do true melee no-hits

[cobalt pewter]

It's a sacred art

[sleek turret]

🤫

[earnest cape]

a normie can not learn how to do the scared art of true meme nohits

[cobalt pewter]

scared art

[earnest cape]

:)

[cobalt pewter]

Remove mana on summon weapons

[warm scarab]

the disclaimer is

[crude geode]

Isn’t resummoning things actually kinda like a balance point or something. Swapping minions mid fight and that kinda stuff.

[warm scarab]

what

who tf do that

[tawny garden]

It is kinda, though it's minor

[tawny garden]

People do

[warm scarab]

ech

[safe oasis]

i do

the mana is a good balancing thing for that

reducing it wont hurt though

[crude geode]

Ye

That said, minions staying across lives should help alleviate some of this problem

[shell grotto]

Yes.

[earnest cape]

mmyes igneous

[tawny garden]

summoner is just mage in disguise

that's why it uses mana

[earnest cape]

Damage says itself too 👀

[grim tusk]

Samurai badge

#suggestions-posting message
Minion slots are reduced so this wont be a problem anymore

[earnest cape]

Was about to ping you brav

[zenith hazel]

@ashen warren don't type random messages into #suggestions-posting please, ty

[ashen warren]

ok

[eternal escarp]

melee and rogue variants are dying next update anyways

[safe oasis]

^

[eternal escarp]

corpus will be rogue only iirc

[dapper coral]

@silk garnet ^

[distant gyro]

Corpus will be rogue only and have a stealth strike

[dapper coral]

i'll remove the sugg in that case since, well, it no longer applies

[silk garnet]

ah alright, thanks

[silk garnet]

does this mean there will be more endgame rogue exclusive items

[eternal escarp]

nanoblack wikl stay rogue, while hammer is becoming melee iirc

so there will be 2 rogue dev tier weapon iirc

[silk garnet]

ah aight

[dapper coral]

that is correct

[eternal escarp]

prty sure the list is somewhere pinned in cal talk? or draedon FaQ? cant rmember lol

[frail mantle]

the latter

[safe oasis]

this should just be in general

not just BR

[worn dagger]

Normal rav jumps through platform and despawn is annoying af

Especially doing defiled rav and needed higher arena

[earnest cape]

there it is

[languid quartz]

yeah I agree with this suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

Powerful gif

[worn dagger]

[crude geode]

Fairly common sugg, but tbfh it's very understandable. Donut phase is annoying.

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

[earnest cape]

tbh annoying is probably an understatement

[mystic cloak]

Big ol' goofy donut causes great pain during providence's cocoon phase. Agreed.

[grim tusk]

When players prefer to do night provi over dealing with guardians or the strat around them involves melting them as fast as possible you know something is wrong

#suggestions-posting message
-nerfing flex damage
-maybe add a sound effect for when you flex

[cobalt pewter]

Sound effect on flex is a good idea

Lemme add that

[warm scarab]

@cobalt pewter you do realize dumbbell is patron item right

[cobalt pewter]

So?

[warm scarab]

perhaps less specific suggs would be better

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell is my last sugg worth contacting the donor? (Dumbbell)

[warm scarab]

good one

i would make some patron item suggs as well ig

some of those are interesting

[hollow shell]

May as well.

[warm scarab]

[mystic cloak]

Healing go brrr.

That's probably the thing that pisses me off about that phase the most. The god damn healer.

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Are you alright with the latest suggestion in #suggestions-posting ?

[mystic cloak]

Fookin brootal

[tawny garden]

(Should the sugg have a ❗ until the patron responds?)

[dapper coral]

yee

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

My first ❗ in a while

[earnest cape]

:jaja:

[tawny garden]

[warm scarab]

[sharp prism]

❗

[ashen warren]

Would it be a valid suggestion to ask for DoG not to switch into his "A GOD DOES NOT FEAR DEATH!" phase while laser walls are still active? I've had it multiple times now where some lingering homing projectiles would make him switch phases and kill me while i was still doding a laser wall

[crude geode]

Sounds fine. Maybe instead of not switching instead deleting those projectiles.

[ashen warren]

The problem is that the player is standing still at that moment. It happens so suddenly. DoG is also still moving around while laser walls are active. When he switches phases and the head is right in front of the player... no chance.

[worn dagger]

Or just make him invincible during laser wall all together

[fossil finch]

Isn't he already

[worn dagger]

Kind of

[warm scarab]

no he's just invisible

[safe oasis]

you can still hit him

which is kinda weird

[warm scarab]

^

weird indeed

[mint orchid]

Whoever made that spectre armor upgrade suggestion forgot that prismastic exists

[crude geode]

Prismatic kinda isn’t tho?

It’s like entirely separate thing, and a dono set at that

[mint orchid]

What I mean is that mage does not need another armor

The class is already broken enough

[crude geode]

?

[tawny garden]

is it broken?

(also if it is, everything is gonna be rebalanced anyhow)

[crude geode]

Indeed

[cobalt pewter]

It is broken

But that's no excuse for no armor iirc

[tawny garden]

It's not

[crude geode]

Absolutely

“Summoner is broken so we don’t support it”

[fossil finch]

Prismatic is also another tier so ye

[remote crystal]

I killed Doggo in prismatic because I thought bloodflare was still post provi

[fossil finch]

Bloodflare is post provi AND Polter yea

And dog is leagues ahead of provi

[safe oasis]

You could use a ceaseless hunger potion, but why would someone use a potion just to get loot?
not a very good rebuttal here

ceaseless hunger potions are literally for getting loot

"why would you use a potion for its intended use?"

[edgy pagoda]

yeah but just for boss drops

[safe oasis]

then phrase it differently ig

[edgy pagoda]

mainly more used for farming

there that better?

[safe oasis]

better yeah

[edgy pagoda]

ight thx

[cyan lagoon]

if i'm not wrong they should have a rarity that prevents them from burning in lava, yeah?

[edgy pagoda]

yes

[tawny garden]

Ye

[edgy pagoda]

but like i said boxes can also help one find loot

[eternal escarp]

atleast they will be in a loot bag iirc

so itll be easier ig

[edgy pagoda]

signust doesnt have a bag

[robust lava]

But he will, hence why they said that

#changelogs message

[fossil finch]

wouldn't it be funny if, after it was introduced, people complained because of how much time they had to take to remove their boxes to farm signus for cosmilamp or idfk

[safe oasis]

they already do that for wof emblems and whatever

[dapper coral]

so that they know their specialty.
who's they?

[safe oasis]

the users

[fossil finch]

yeah "they" should be specified

[safe oasis]

alr fixed

[dapper coral]

rn it sounds like you want the devs to know what their own specialty is

cool

[gray nebula]

why do u need to know doe

more so, why is it so incredibly necessary to know

that roles are needed

just ask the dev in question if you want to know, i dont think theyd lie

[safe oasis]

yeah but the roles prevent having to bug them about it when you can just click their name

[dapper coral]

i don't see the harm

[gray nebula]

:/ but with specific roles i cant lie to people about being a coder

[eternal escarp]

🤔

[dapper coral]

iban is an enigma

[eternal escarp]

the paradox has begun

[hot zephyr]

"hey dev do you code"
"no, i sprite"
"ok"

The end

[safe oasis]

we just proved how this is unreliable

[eternal escarp]

mfw joke is now valid

[hot zephyr]

Role bloat time

[gray nebula]

Doing a little trolling in real time

[safe oasis]

dont they have walls anyway

not like you could see them

[tawny garden]

this sugg is

[fossil finch]

no he

[tawny garden]

smol

[fossil finch]

he does not mean backgrounds

he means map backgrounds

[safe oasis]

wdym