i thought you were talking to me kek
#suggestions-discussion
dapper coral
tawny garden
crude geode
:lul:
golden narwhal
(Also if you just want to know what is necessary for the sugg, viral, change the heading to be more accurate, e.g. "Give "the ingredients" a guaranteed way etc etc")
dapper coral
but yes uh
crude geode
yeah
eternal escarp
~~i was about to continue this but i cant remember the word fuck 
~~
dapper coral
technically speaking this isn't invalid, once you change the header to be a little more accurate
tawny garden
Grinding in Terraria sucks, but it's also fundamental to it
dapper coral
it just maybe is unnecessary
tawny garden
(I told you, it's a bad game)
golden narwhal
Yea, the sugg can stand
crude geode
haha yes terraria bad
coarse wave
more wulfrum
marble hazel
I always found the arctic skates to be the hardest part because chests giving me ice sword 24/7
safe oasis
they're craftable
cobalt pewter
Ice Skates has a recipe yes
warm scarab
arctic skates 
crude geode
Agree with this sugg. Purified Jam is perfectly balanced but it still is a very 
item
cobalt pewter
The per world max limit is just ech to me
crude geode
That said I don’t think increasing debuff damage is that great of a trade off for dr but I think the concept of a rework is fine.
cobalt pewter
Yeh that's just an example
warm scarab
The per world max limit is just ech to me
ye
also
it's purified jam
i would personally make it not limited and make it remove all debuffs(except mana sickness potion sickness and armor set bonus/dodge cooldown) on use but have something like 20 sec cooldown
tawny garden
@cobalt pewter "...removing its hard limits..."
yes, I pinged for a spelling mistake
crude geode
saddening
frail mantle
isn't its correct in this situation
cobalt pewter
eah
crude geode
It’s aight
hollow shell
I don't think Potion Sickness is that hard of a limit to be comparable to the world limit
hollow shell
(and that rework idea sounds really gimmicky)
tawny garden
holy shfuck
crude geode
wow
tawny garden
I mean, my rage sugg was bigger
cobalt pewter
Ngl it's a fine idea for a change
I don't have time to read the whole thing yet
Since I'm on my way to work
tawny garden
anyone help me shorten my essay
though, I don't see a problem with writing smth long
crude geode
Same. It’s okay to do.
golden narwhal
I'd probably try to help trim it down, but :FUCK_MOBILE: 
crude geode
That said...I don’t think it’s necessary for this suggestion.
tawny garden
I'd probably try to help trim it down, but :FUCK_MOBILE: <:taxevasion:6116371753...
you aren't even in the server which has that emote
golden narwhal
wait wtf there's a whole ass server with that emote
tawny garden
crude geode
@warm scarab I would prolly put something after explaining how the stealth bar changes saying “Having the adrenaline and rage bars change color in a similar way would be very useful in the middle of combat, and just be a nice QOL.”
and just like leave it at that.
warm scarab
ah
tawny garden
earnest cape
and read the "don'ts" doc pinned while you're at it
uncut orbit
Sad
uncut orbit
and read the "don'ts" doc pinned while you're at it
Will do
earnest cape
half kayak
is moving a weapon progression-wise against the sugg rules
tawny garden
nah
half kayak
oh ok
tawny garden
Though the theming and stuff might be off
half kayak
i want criticism on this sugg before i post
tawny garden
This really depends on what exactly you want to tiershift
half kayak
making prisbreaker post-polter because its dps is super low for a pre-yhar1 weapon
the only + is that it pierces and the only post-ml worms are storm weaver and DoG
which you dont fight after DoG
earnest cape
Prolly hold the postml suggs for next update tbh
half kayak
oh ok
earnest cape
They're rebalancing everything so yeah
earnest cape
99% chance of suffering
zenith hazel
...then we can buff pris breaker instead
cobalt pewter
Also yesh, buffing is also an option
hollow shell
@alpine dawn You should at least acknowledge Omega Blue and Fearmonger in your suggestion.
Prismatic too
alpine dawn
alr
alpine dawn
ah my b
hollow shell
aight cool
I do agree with the suggestion
afaik we only have 1 new armor planned for Post-ML but we should have a lot more
grim tusk
And heck currently nebula also lasts til Yharon due to how busted it is thanks to its debuff immunity from life nebulas (which will be gone next patch), slightly better offensive capabilities than silva with the dmg and mana boosters and the booster support it can provide in multiplayer
And theres the bizarre oddity that is bootleg demonshade Brimflame, a post-Calamitas Clone armor which when used accordingly and skillfully outshines even Auric offensively with its funny set bonus abilities
Iirc there were other funny armors but cant remember which
dapper coral
reaver?
grim tusk
Oh yea Plaguebringer pre-provi, OoA ones til Polter and reaver mhage til DoG
dapper coral
which is very die
tawny garden
already nerfed
tranquil perch
also it occupies buff slots which is already a disadvantage
tranquil perch
already nerfed
grim tusk
Plaguebringer is cuz stardust setbonus is fucking bad and the dash frees up an accessory slot
OoA has funny sentry spam which has been nerfed a shit ton (energy staff) but still decent with Guidelight of oblivion and against bosses not named Providence
And reaver mhage absolutely demolishes DoG when combined with Eliodic wail
Plaguebringer and OoA also have armor mixing which is 
grim tusk
Mhage and Summoner do be the funny classes of the mod
They always have an ace up their sleeves no matter what
pine star
:mhage:
pine star
@shut tide Ethereal Talisman exists
shut tide
Which is exactly why I made the suggestion
That thing is POST. DoG.
For way over half of the game I have to use an accessory slot just for something that automatically chugs mana potions
frail mantle
mana flower is a stupid accessory design wise anyway
shut tide
Tbh if there was a setting for instant-drinking mana I would never use mana flower
dapper coral
in before we get the mana-flower vs mana regen potion argument
dapper coral
i don't know if this is entirely worth it
frail mantle
afaik you can replace mana flower with a mana regen and it works about as well unless it's a mana drainer like last prism or dark spark
dapper coral
to be honest, mana flower being easily combined is way too strong
shut tide
True, but sigil is post-golem
tawny garden
afaik you can replace mana flower with a mana regen and it works about as well u...
yeah
dapper coral
the one downside to using mana flower is that you need an accessory slot for it
tawny garden
which is what I did
dapper coral
and that makes it a little better balanced
shut tide
Then again that would mean you could use an extra slot with last prism and dark spark if Sigil of Calamitas used mana flower
Which is pretty darn powerful
dapper coral
that's what i'm saying
the only weapons you really need mana flower for, should not benefit from the extra slot
because that would be too damn strong
grim tusk
in before we get the mana-flower vs mana regen potion argument
Astral injection 
dapper coral
cringe
crude geode
Don’t all Elemental Endgame Accessories take (at least) two accessories to make?
That would kinda make mage a bit of an outlier when compared to the others
glass sentinel
depends how endgame
grim tusk
Yes
crude geode
Yeah @shut tide this would make Ethereal Talisman the only post dog class accessory to only be crafted with one accessory.
warm scarab
Iirc there were other funny armors but cant remember which
plague reaper 
grim tusk
Ah yes ranger’s equivalent of brimflame but way worse
Blinding yourself is ech
Also way less dmg stats than brimflame
#suggestions-posting message
1.4 tmod will solve this problem by it giving mana flower upgrades
warm scarab
Blinding yourself is ech
it is not if you use it correctly
like when the boss is doing smthing predictable like mutant's laser ring
grim tusk
Why tf do you bring :mutantboss: into a Cal related talk
Also mutant has a set pattern
So you always know what
Unlike lets say
earnest cape
mmyes make mhage even more op
warm scarab
Why tf do you bring :mutantboss: into a Cal related talk
because it's completely predictable and way better example than stuff like pbg/ravhager/fish
grim tusk
And thats the thing, Plague is way worse than brimflame since you cant predict anything but Dashes in Cal
And brimflame’s downside can easily be mitagated via life nebula, healing potions or not getting hit
grim tusk
Wait does it work on everclear and frenzy?
Prob not
Cuz that would be real dumb
Also aint plague’s bonus 100% increased dmg and 30% crit rather than a 1.5 multiplier
pine star
Isn't +150% damage equal to x1.5 damage?
grim tusk
Yes but actually no
sleek turret
yep
grim tusk
or celestial jewel thingy thing
Doesnt work
3 regen (1 if using alchohols) is not enough
grim tusk
Yes but the thing is thats after frenzy ends due to it disabling regen (except celestial jewel+, life nebula and Community’s effects)
And we went offtopic now
warm scarab
lol
crude geode
crude geode
Doesn’t this sugg boil down to “it would be cool”
grim tusk
Yes
earnest cape
Yes
crude geode
Mmmm my favorite reasoning
I wouldn’t mind if the draedon lab turrets could be crafted for yourself tho tbh.
Would add more usage to draedon arsenal materials and would give you another way to defend your home/add aesthetics to a draedon themed home.
warm scarab
I wouldn’t mind if the draedon lab turrets could be crafted for yourself tho tbh...
there's a sentry for that 
but i should probs sugg that
5 hours for my last sugg to go to voting
crude geode
Sentry =/= Trap
sleek turret
^
warm scarab
^
grim tusk
earnest cape
bruh indeed
crude geode
@sick sentinel You can probably improve the reasoning behind your suggestion. Currently the reasoning boils down to a “it would be cool”, which isn’t very convincing/good. You could mention how farming is very prevelant in calamity, so adding traps could help with making afk farms (something present in vanilla), or help with certain events like the buffed moons or acid rain.
Also, mentioning how traps could help for aesthetics with buildings would be a plus.
@hollow shell Can you exclaim the latest sugg in posting? The reasoning boils down to "it'd be cool."
hollow shell
Indeed
"would be amazing and it would be a great concept"
He does say that the current traps are boring but that's about it
Gotta expand on your reason, RazorsEdge
hollow shell
👍
crude geode
posted too early
hollow shell
RIP
You can still edit tho right?
(I'm unsure on how limiting slow mode is, cuz I've always had the perms to bypass it 
)
dapper coral
yeah you can edit
hollow shell
Aight
dapper coral
~~it would be a massive problem if you couldn't ~~
crude geode
yep
Originally I thought of this idea as just "would be cool" but I think the reasoning works out.
earnest cape
hollow shell
(Not a counterargument but a personal solution: AutoTrash mod)
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
(I guess)
hollow shell
I can see this sugg potentially causing issues for later-game catch-up
hot zephyr
Imagine you're having terrible RNG grinding a drop and to add salt to the wound, each kill REDUCES your chance of getting the item
Like, I'm just going to be blunt
This is a terrible idea
Missed a drop that's not immediately useful, and you're trying to catch up? Too bad, enjoy worse RNG
That lead core farm just got even more unbearable
radiant meadow
Would be an issue potentially
E.g. you want to craft Nucleogenesis to go with Fearmonger but trashed all the batteries early game
hot zephyr
Or even worse
Multiplayer
If it's based on the world, getting drops for everyone even on tier would be a pain
It also doesn't take into consideration how massive an undertaking it'd be to give most/all drops a negative scaling drop rate
radiant meadow
Could just ask for reduced battery drop rates in hardmode if those are the issue
hot zephyr
Or, like Rover said, AutoTrash
also by Hardmode, wulfrum enemies are pretty rare. Don't remember battery drops being that much of an issue
earnest cape
its only an issue when you're zerging in jungle surface for plague canister
hot zephyr
Suggestions, as of recently have had this "anti bloat" mindset and while it was valid at first we've gotten to the point where we're eroding game mechanics because we don't want to press shift click on an item
earnest cape
sad
golden narwhal
earnest cape
@ashen warren make a proper suggestion
distant vault
rover time?
dapper coral
m
@ashen warren please read the document in the pins for rules
you can suggest to make the turrets quieter, as long as you follow proper formatting, i.e. you actually need reasoning
golden narwhal
mmyes, when melee ignores its own drawback
cobalt pewter
I would love to comment on this, but this topic in particular has been overdone in this channel too much that it becomes headache inducing to me
Also the proposed ideas are...weird?
The issue with melee as a concept wouldn't be solved with either of those concepts
whole sedge
the issue with melee kind of is that it's not melee but 
sleek wadi
Melee's drawback is supposed to be that getting optimal DPS with it is supposed to put you at extreme risk but its about on par with everyone else when at range so there goes that
alpine dawn
Problem with the suggestion is that with ranged, you can easily cancel out ammo useage. With mage, using a Mana flower will get you by and summoner is pretty weak ig but it's not really meant to be strong. Could be tired brain speaking but imo it doesn't make all that much sense
alpine dawn
Yeah
earnest cape
wdym it's pretty op
glass sentinel
also more melee weapons require aiming/ have no projectiles
sharp prism
mfw the whip subclass is a better class than melee in general
dry latch
tfw summoner is more melee than melee
frail mantle
i think it's something about being able to walk in one direction while attacking in the other direction without constantly turning around
robust lava
(I sent them here, probably should have said to definitely check over the rules first )
eternal escarp
i mean i do like the sugg tbh
robust lava
Or at least, the formatting
eternal escarp
dont think its passing any of the donts, other then how its formated
so should prolly just clean up the sugg yeah
most important, headline prolly
earnest cape
@autumn sierra make suggestions there and list the reason. If you're asking for advice go to #calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins and please also read the "don'ts" doc here please
pinned here*
frail mantle
i know feedza suggested something like this a while back but i have no clue if it passed the voting period or not
eternal escarp
no idea
this suggestion should just be cleaned up because its filled with alot of info which clogs the point of the sugg, in my eyes
earnest cape
thanks rover
autumn sierra
@earnest cape Apologies i did originally post in bugs but was advised to post a suggestion, i assuemed suggestions posting was were you did that.
hollow shell
Your suggestion's gotta have a separate top line (separate as in Shift+Enter) in order for our bot to process it properly
The top line being a summary of what you're suggesting
earnest cape
it is yeah but this is not how you do it
hollow shell
I think I know what issue you're talking about, but it could be explained a bit better (i.e. replace "kiting" with simply "walking" for clarity)
hollow shell
and, it would help to have experience from more of the game instead of just PreHM
earnest cape
"give all true melee weapons moonwalk" :desolage:
hollow shell
Hang on isn't it possible to swing away from where you walk in all situations?
Even if the sword has moonwalk, you can start your swing by facing towards the enemy and then walking away
Granted that's a lil annoying because... hm
I haven't played melee in a long time, I don't think I remember exactly how moonwalking works versus not having it
eternal escarp
i think it resets after the first swing?
earnest cape
i've experienced trying to kill golem with true melee and also experienced the moon walk and lemme tell ya
moonwalk is annoying as hell
cobalt pewter
Ah yes moonwalk
earnest cape
yes, you can just turn arround but you don't have time for that and it most of the time takes too long to change directions
remember the fact that all bosses in calamity are mobile
and you're true melee so hitting the actual boss is extremely hard
especially when the sword just won't rotate and flies pass behind you
eternal escarp
atleast 1.4 shortswords are fixed for that iirc
earnest cape
and the boss flies pass behind you*
cobalt pewter
1.4 shortswords aren't affected by melee speed anymore iirc
earnest cape
atleast 1.4 shortswords are fixed for that iirc
yeah since it's not autoswing
and yes
eternal escarp
Your suggestion's gotta have a separate top line (separate as in Shift+Enter) in...
well you should do this for your suggestions anyways, you need the title to be seperate for the sugg to actually work
earnest cape
why do I feel like essays are coming my wau
robust lava
Hang on isn't it possible to swing away from where you walk in all situations?
E...
I tested this when they posted it in bugs. The Crimson Crusher Blade always swings in whatever direction you're walking, no matter where your mouse is. The same happens with Muramasa, both in vanilla 1.3 and Calamity
hollow shell
Ahh that does sound annoying
eternal escarp
~~thats why i dont melee 
~~
hollow shell
Ah right so you can mash left and right and have like two sword swings going on at once
I remember doing that
cobalt pewter
I tested this when they posted it in bugs. The Crimson Crusher Blade always swin...
This isn't a bug iirc
It's intended if you have item.useTurn into true
earnest cape
and yeah that isn't a bug tbh
hollow shell
It fits for these channels here
cobalt pewter
Which is the case for almost all cal melee broadswords (as well as more of vanilla ones in 1.5)
earnest cape
it still continues swinging but you just turn directions iirc
robust lava
I know it isn't a bug, hence why I said they should post it in suggs...
autumn sierra
apologies if i have started something up here, i am new to calamity and wont post a proper suggestion until i have done more testing. early game problem for me was skeletron i usually space out at melee range and kite backwards whilst attack when he does the head spin, i could not do this with the crimson crusher whish i felt was my best sword at the time of progression.
hollow shell
Yeah I understand the issue now
cobalt pewter
Your sugg just lacks proper formatting
earnest cape
ever tried using ranger swords
hollow shell
I think that, yeah
If you format the suggestion properly and adjust some of the wording to make it a bit clearer what exactly Crimson Crusher does
then it'll be all good
cobalt pewter
I prefer not to talk about it much, since it'd help no one to argue, particularly since Fab is cemented on use turn on being gud
367 - Gave various vanilla swords useturn. - Done
earnest cape
basically to make a sugg you just do
[Suggestion title(usually a tl;dr of the sugg)]
[Rest of sugg(reasoning of the sugg)]
cobalt pewter
Gauss Dagger is my personal favorite on Skelly back when it didn't have useturn
But now it became ech
Might as well just use Obsidian Swordfish and get on with it
earnest cape
obsidi-pogfish
autumn sierra
yeh cant use spear on a sword only run, ill keep playing and testing other swords, thanks for all the help.
cobalt pewter
earnest cape
(also i recommend using something like bladecrest oathsword for skeledude unless you're true melee-ing)
autumn sierra
not entirely true melee-ing but the projectile and the sword swing itself is more dps so where i can i will, maybe there could be a seperate mod altogether that lets you toggle the abillity on melee weapons anyway nevermind getting into that i geuss,
hot zephyr
I posted the melee moonwalk sugg a long time ago
It got accepted but I was basically told "yea that's good but we're using useTurn, not moonwalk lol"
which is something I can live with
I honestly think 1.5 wil be the patch for true melee
cobalt pewter
1.5 will be for everyone (except ranger maybe lol)
hot zephyr
With the changes to dodges, rage, tank accessories and swords themselves
hot zephyr
1.5 will be for everyone (except ranger maybe lol)
and summon finally gets its rightful kick in the shins
eternal escarp
1.5 will be for everyone (except ranger maybe lol)
~~ 
~~
well theres the ammo change byeah
earnest cape
i can't summon 20 summons at once anymore
cobalt pewter
Good
hot zephyr
Boohoo!
muted osprey
rogue will be pog and not pain
hot zephyr
@autumn sierra You'll be getting your wish in 1.5. #suggestions-voting message
autumn sierra
<@404617751324393474> You'll be getting your wish in 1.5. https://discord.com/ch...
awesome!
hot zephyr
So, the sugg isn't really necessary now
autumn sierra
ok i wont, apologies again im just hours in on calamity still but iver played sword alot on vanilla and the skeletron fight really bugged me wont do it again with a bit more research.
hot zephyr
nah it's understandable
cobalt pewter
Well hopefully some sort of toggle can be given for moonwalk at least, since we know cal will be fully embracing useturn for true melee swords
hot zephyr
It'll be all useturn, not moonwalk
(and tbh a toggle isn't necessary.. it'll just be something you'll get used to over playtime.)
Although I see where you're coming from
cobalt pewter
ok i wont, apologies again im just hours in on calamity still but iver played sw...
Also don't need to worry about it, considering you're new at the mod, you'll keep learning as you keep playing
hot zephyr
You're already better than a certain % of new suggestors that just flame when their crazy new boss idea suggestion gets ❗'d
(which btw, if you haven't already, read the docs.)
hollow shell
Ian did you just imply that sugg approval means guaranteed implementation?
sharp prism
😳
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
Approval hell is real, son.
sharp prism
nanom-
cobalt pewter
Dank, no.
tawny garden
Approval hell is real, son.
I am the approval hell
hollow shell
<@404617751324393474> You'll be getting your wish in 1.5. https://discord.com/ch...
What did you mean by this
cobalt pewter
Shut up philo 
sharp prism
Dank, *no*.
hot zephyr
The suggestion
- Reached voting
- Reached stars
- Passed dev
- I was told about useTurn changes
tawny garden
All of my approved suggs aren't implemented
hollow shell
The most important part of that is the last part
The first three by no means denote that it's coming next update
hollow shell
mm
hollow shell
I personally haven't heard the changes, then again I don't follow test_hq business
If I can be linked to a dev saying that it is happening then yeah I'll 🛠️ it
hot zephyr
iirc it was a conversation in VC, sorry.
hollow shell
Ahh damn
tawny garden
With who
hot zephyr
Fab
tawny garden
Pong fab
hot zephyr
No
hollow shell
I shan't
tawny garden
Tru
cobalt pewter
The pain of public VC
Public vc is pain in general
sharp prism
"Hey can i be beamed in"
safe oasis
should prob put a 🛠️ or 🏁 on https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/805491180824690729 judging by
tawny garden
🏁
earnest cape
nice
sharp prism
🏁 pog
cobalt pewter
The epic thing is getting 🏁 before it even delivered to devs or even talked about by any devs
sharp prism
speedrunn strats
tawny garden
The epic thing is getting 🏁 before it even delivered to devs or even talked abo...
Instant flag moments
cobalt pewter
Yeah it was the case with my "Titan Heart armor giving KB immunity" sugg
signal glade
should prob put a 🛠️ or 🏁 on https://discordapp.com/channels/22503093100884787...
finally new players wont be surprised if the ammo they have gets vaccumed out of existance because of that thing
tawny garden
signal glade
okay tell me whats wrong
signal glade
i mean alternative for titanium railgun got people here go monke
crude geode
?
signal glade
people argued like go to another world then farm adamantium etc
while having an alt for titanium railgun will be good for fast progression
not fast fast
earnest cape
i am pretty sure ozz's said something about an titanium railgun variant for adamantite
signal glade
earnest cape
don't quote me on it
signal glade
but honestly it confuses me that titanium railgun doesnt have alt
signal glade
pog moments my suggestion lives on
crude geode
Anyways your current suggestion is fine imo. A lot of recipes for blocks are pretty expensive.
safe oasis
could be phrased a bit better but the sugg itself is good
earnest cape
"Increase most of the Post-ML craftable block's yield" would sound better right
signal glade
ahh it was at the tip of my tongue thanks
earnest cape
signal glade
i didnt add expensive as a factor of problem because drops of bosses or the ingredients for the block is okay
velvet locust
@autumn sierra you need to put a bolded title on your suggestion
kinda like this:
Hello
Hi
velvet locust
oh
signal glade
I thought u need the the title to be bold?
frail mantle
an Elemental weapon crafting into another Elemental weapon would be weird
pine star
uhhhhhhhh...... Is the Elemental Eruption not crafted into the Photoviscerator?
sleek turret
frail mantle
especially if what it crafted into was a weapon from an entirely different subclass
cobalt pewter
Also isn't eruption way better than blaster on provi
eternal escarp
eruption is great at this purpose, blaster is good at its purpose, both are good tbh
crude geode
@tiny ivy Why would one elemental weapon craft into a different one?
swift wharf
that sugg makes no sense
frail mantle
blaster works aight on fast fucks
cobalt pewter
You mean fat fucks
frail mantle
eruption is better for fat and slow fucks
tiny ivy
<@474399159206543380> Why would one elemental weapon craft into a different one?
I mean. Adding it to the recipe seems logical.
Might just be me
cobalt pewter
??????
slate turtle
Providence has huge hitbox it's hard to miss lmao
frail mantle
however if your enemy is fat the eruption is better
cobalt pewter
No other Elemental weapons use other Elemental weapons
swift wharf
^
eternal escarp
a weapon of the same tier shouldnt be used for another weapon of the same tier, this happens almost nowhere except preboss and some one offs iirc
crude geode
Additionally, a flamethrower made up of a variety of flamethrowers crafting into a gun is confusing as hell.
sleek turret
doesn't seem logical
rotund tree
a weapon of the same tier shouldnt be used for another weapon of the same tier, ...
heavenly gale and drataliornus be like
eternal escarp
~~heavenly gale and drataliornus be like~~
afaik gale wont be a part of it so this example is cringe
frail mantle
blame the dedicatee
sleek turret
yes
rotund tree
crude geode
(Offtopic tbfh)
cobalt pewter
HGale is kinda dumb iirc
slate turtle
Anyways
cobalt pewter
Byeah drata is a challenge reward
slate turtle
Yeah crafting elemental eruption into blaster makes no sense
hot zephyr
We just need an update where the devs unfuck the donor weapon recipes
crude geode
Also “adding it to the recipe seems logical” isn’t at all good reasoning.
hot zephyr
I hate them
eternal escarp
also, im failing to see how by making a recipe larger, it will make it used more
crude geode
@zenith hazel Latest sugg is really bad in terms of logic and reasoning
sleek turret
I hate them
1.5.1 "fuck you donor recipies" update
hot zephyr
Time to break into the dev meetings
crude geode
Ty Brav 
cobalt pewter
Also what I heard is that Legendaries will be removed off recipes for the most part
At least not B-Flux
crude geode
Wonderful
cobalt pewter
But stuff like Apo will lose Cosmic Discharge on recipe
sleek turret
finally
hot zephyr
Good riddance
half kayak
i wish that eleblaster upgraded into an auric wep
all the other ranger elements do
(tyranny's end focuses on the sniper that inflicts debuffs category)
grim tusk
i wish that eleblaster upgraded into an auric wep
Prob exo gun or the ranged exo thing that draedon will drop or smth
sharp prism
wait what 
shell grotto
same tier flamethrower turns into same tier gun
pine star
signal glade
because why not tho
earnest cape
it doesn't make sense
signal glade
wait
so your telling me
your gonna demote a weapon to craft a weapon that is the same tier of the weapon that you would craft?
that is very
earnest cape
...? no it just doesn't make a single sense cause first of all they're two very different weapons, one uses bullets as ammo while the other uses gel as ammo. They're also on tier so it would make the other completely and utterly useless
I don't see this argument going anywhere since it's dumb to begin with so I will stop
earnest cape
.
signal glade
i mean it does make sense when repharsed like
make elemental eruption switchable to elemental blaster
grim tusk
...? no it just doesn't make a single sense cause first of all they're two **ver...
Blaster doesnt use ammo
earnest cape
its still two very different weapons
grim tusk
Also yes same tier
earnest cape
now stop with the argument it's going to get nowhere
signal glade
yeah just delete it
earnest cape
it's going to get deleted in 23 hours so lol
regal prism
Alright, sorry, the suggestion don'ts isn't clear enough on that.
slate turtle
lol
grim tusk
Alright, sorry, the suggestion don'ts isn't clear enough on that.
bruh
Read Suggestions: Don’ts doc
regal prism
To quote the doc: 'Any suggestions to add a new, specific item, with a name, laid-out function, stats, sprite, etc.'
Read the context
I only gave a general idea of it, and an example recipe
shell grotto
I mean it's a good idea IMO as it makes sense, but it's still suggesting a content addition vs a change or slight function change to a pre-existing piece of content
frail mantle
i'd say the only SIS part of this suggestion is the recipe, and you do state that it's just an example
earnest cape
the sugg would've been better off if you just said "add more post ml mage armor sets" tbh, and the example you stated in your sugg is already covered by bloodflare
frail mantle
eah
earnest cape
its
signal glade
the sugg would've been better off if you just said "add more post ml mage armor ...
if he sugg that not only will this channel go full monke a full on flame war on how op mage is will start
earnest cape
kinda cramped to add any armor sets post moon lord imo cause there's basically an armor set for every stage of pML except probably provi-polter
earnest cape
if he sugg that not only will this channel go full monke a full on flame war on ...
? can you be serious
signal glade
i mean again this channel got crazy because I suggested an alt for titanium railgun
signal glade
give that sugg some time to rise and people will say mage is op why add more armor etc
yeah
earnest cape
now to get back to suggs
safe oasis
i mean again this channel got crazy because I suggested an alt for titanium rail...
you keep mentioning that but that literally never happened
if your definition of "going crazy" is making a joke or two then ok
cobalt pewter
what
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
In any case uh
I think I've suggested something to this effect for Umbraphile armor as well
Not sure how that fares now
earnest cape
oh yeah that umbraphile post yhar p1 upgrade
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
oh yeah that umbraphile post yhar p1 upgrade
well in 1.5 it'll be post dog byeah
earnest cape
byech
signal glade
if your definition of "going crazy" is making a joke or two then ok
#suggestions-discussion message its more of this channel got a laugh here and there
slate turtle
signal glade
not full monke
grim tusk
It's called hydrothermic
Hydro is worse except on defense stat
signal glade
no more off topic
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message as if mage wasnt the class with the most armors viable in post-ML bruh
slate turtle
Nah fam we need more h e a l i n g 🙂
signal glade
the sugg itself make sense having an upgraded version of ectoplasm
slate turtle
well
grim tusk
Nah fam we need more h e a l i n g 🙂
Nebula exists
earnest cape
mmyes give more braindead healing
signal glade
rogue once
earnest cape
did you forget about bloodstone core weapons?
that also exists and it gives insane life steal
slate turtle
Yeah I was gonna say bloodstone
signal glade
did you forget about bloodstone core weapons?
bloodcore weaps suck
cobalt pewter
Repost time
earnest cape
there it is
signal glade
yes its lifesteal but drawbacks?
earnest cape
...none?
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message as cool as it would be aint a bit specific?
signal glade
flamethrower
you burn but u lifesteal
earnest cape
last time I used viscera it's usable up till scal
i was talking about mage
and that weapon's getting buffed
grim tusk
Blood boiler is the only one that hurts rather than heal you
earnest cape
off topic
hot zephyr
Feedzuh trying to hide his Scarlet Devil
cobalt pewter
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/8134560689439...
That's as careful as I can be without undermining what I wanted when I made it or making it SIS
signal glade
i was talking about mage
ah then yes its very stopid
cobalt pewter
Feedzuh trying to hide his Scarlet Devil
Scarlet Devil baaaaaaaaaad
hot zephyr
"You like lifesteal, don't you, Feedzuh?"
safe oasis
an uncannily matching thematic
don't think uncannily is the right word here
cobalt pewter
Hmm, what is?
cobalt pewter
"You like lifesteal, don't you, Feedzuh?"
cobalt pewter
oh ye
safe oasis
just a matching thematic
cobalt pewter
English is a hard language
signal glade
using big words when typing eng just makes my brain go dry
gray nebula
wowww darksun armor awesome
can't add it anymore since it would make people think that the idea came from the sugg
earnest cape
grim tusk
signal glade
slate turtle
signal glade
can i make sugg to make hd failure bigger?
tawny garden
HDfailure is already bigger than CompleteFailure
tawny garden
And you can only make the emote bigger by stitching 4 emotes together
signal glade
tawny garden
Which isn't great
pine star
@sour fossil Give evidence for this assertion
slate turtle
You must follow the proper format!
sour fossil
<@!552743824619864084> Give evidence for this assertion
You mean not good dps?
pine star
You mean not good dps?
Give killtimes on bosses
signal glade
that is the most broad statement
pine star
Compared to comparable weapons of other classes
signal glade
Scarlet devil just laughs in dps
frail mantle
post-ML balancing suggestions are kinda not really needed at the moment
whole sedge
Killtimes on S-cal and boss rush and which weapons suffer the most but this still is kinda iffy cause 1.5
sour fossil
I mean Soma Prime compared to other post SC ranger weapons is way better
frail mantle
power curve flattening™️ means every single post-ML weapon will be tested and rebalanced accordingly, including dev gear
signal glade
I mean Soma Prime compared to other post SC ranger weapons is way better
you sure?
sour fossil
Yup
signal glade
wait
sour fossil
I can send ss
whole sedge
DPS also isn't everything killtimes are significantly better
frail mantle
basically this suggestion is already something that is planned for 1.5
sour fossil
oh
tawny garden
Balancing suggs are currently bad
robust lava
The problem with this sugg is that the text is long for a reason: those items just have an absurd number of effects
Auric Tesla even condenses the four previous armour set bonuses into one line to save space already
dapper coral
i mean, i'm sure there's a little editing that can be done
but yes overall the actual spacing can't change much simply because beeg effect
robust lava
Any reduction of text would only make it more difficult for players to figure out what the items do, given how some clarity would likely have to be lost
tawny garden
lol, Revengeance's Tooltip
robust lava
like underwater bonuses
The underwater defense bonuses are being made into permanent bonuses in 1.5 anyway
safe oasis
is a suggestion to rename an emote counted as an emote sugg
does not feel like "lel"
its more of a "what the fuck"
tawny garden
I wouldn't consider it as such
safe oasis
if you have an actual reason
its more of a "what the fuck"
safe oasis
eh, still not really a lel
dapper coral
i... think it's okay?
tawny garden
it's not suggesting a new emote
dapper coral
m
radiant meadow
You can suggest to rename emotes.
dapper coral
it's probably fine
radiant meadow
You cannot suggest to add new emotes.
safe oasis
alright cool, thanks fellas
hot zephyr
>
shell grotto
I just find it funny mine was completely ignored, IG that's a good thing to an extent but just found it funny the discussions here never touched it once. (also it's not a big deal which is probably the bigger part of it)
safe oasis
if it's ignored, none of us found anything wrong with it so we didn't mention it
tawny garden
it's a fine sugg
slate turtle
poggers
sleek turret
yeah
wooden quartz
On the subject of the tooltip one, I wouldn't mind it as a config option. If you've played the mod a bit or use the wiki too much you probably have a decent idea of what items do, and you don't need a tooltip to tell you every last detail. If it was in the config it could also be turned on easily if you did need it.
safe oasis
@wispy heron need better reasoning
wispy heron
thats a fair point
safe oasis
you could mention how the effects can distract the player during boss fights or something similar
tawny garden
eh it's fine, though more reasoning is always welcome
mystic cloak
QoL is valid, but might want to add more multi-applicable use
distant vault
im guessing it was an accidental send yeah
safe oasis
when the shift key is sus! 😳
eternal escarp
although i already personally disagree tbh and post ml as a whole is getting a rebalance anyways
only the latter prolly matters from my message actually
byeah
safe oasis
i feel like this is another nerf OD sugg that was made in a fit of rage after dying to OD a few times
distant vault
only one way to find out
eternal escarp
i hope he aint waiting to send the description in a second message lol
slate turtle
dw he's typing
safe oasis
editing a message makes it say you're typing too
eternal escarp
yeah
distant vault
@hushed geyser best to post that last little part here, since that will go into voting if your suggestion passes
mint orchid
hushed geyser
ok thx sorry
also @mint orchid i had the same issue, needed the stake launcher and items only drop from mourning woods at wave 15, and i was unable to get it in a reasonable amount of time
and no i have been unable to beat old duke for a while now and its just stupidly difficult for post polterghast
safe oasis
first person POV isnt recommended for suggs tbh
hushed geyser
ok
hollow shell
It's okay but it does come across as more opinionated than objective
hushed geyser
thats why i said it was my opinion
hollow shell
mm
hushed geyser
shit on me all you want but i feel strongly abt it
safe oasis
suggestions tend to be more objective-based than opinionated tho
hollow shell
(that's not entirely true)
I'm curious though
Are you aware of OD's system of getting exhausted
i.e. him occasionally stopping to breathe, and having his Defense and DR removed during those moments
safe oasis
(that's not entirely true)
(at the very least, they're phrased objectively, rather than "i think" or "i feel")
hollow shell
Alright
I could imagine the fight taking longer if you don't know to use your burst damage options during those moments
but, if it's takin that long even with knowledge of that, then
yeah
safe oasis
I haven't been able to do legitimately for a while now, and I am a victor of reavengeance mode scal, 4 times. I have tried with god mode on, to learn the attack patterns
still quite anecdotal, would be good to remove this part imo
focus on objectives rather than telling your life story
hollow shell
I think that it is fine
hushed geyser
ok bro
hollow shell
It puts into perspective that OD is weirdly harder than the rest of the mod
hushed geyser
appreciate the passive agressiveness
safe oasis
if it came off as passive aggressive, sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like that
just giving feedback
hushed geyser
well it was a suggestion, not an essay so idk why you were so critical about it
safe oasis
suggestions are usually considered formal writing
fossil finch
that's because that is the point of the channel, basically
safe oasis
also yeah critiquing is literally the job of this channel as neko said
tl;dr
-make it 3rd person pov
-make it less anecdotal and more objective
that's all the feedback i can offer
hushed geyser
ok
you like it any better now?
the basis of my suggestion was my experience with the fight so i dont know how to make it completely 3rd person
grim tusk
How tf did you take 15 minutes on Old Duke
Also the most important part is having a decent arena where you can outmanuver Old Duke
safe oasis
looks alright now, though you can maybe clarify the correlation between how nerfing the stats will solve the issue of struggling to learn attack patterns
to learn the attack patterns, and yet with all that I still cannot avoid most of his later phase dashes, as they predict your movements
change that could be easier to make would be to lower the health or defense
hushed geyser
using the lacerator, bloodflare armor, basic accessories, and good buffs
grim tusk
Why the actual fuck are u using lacerator
hushed geyser
yoyo only
grim tusk
Its fucking shit
safe oasis
storm calm down
hushed geyser
well then another suggestion
grim tusk
For damage u use the provi drop
hushed geyser
buff the lacerator for being at that stage in the game
sleek turret
buff the lacerator for being at that stage in the game
Alredy getting a buff.
safe oasis
post moonlord in general is already getting rebalanced
sleek turret
Piky tested it on DoG and it took fucking 7 minutes to see how unviable it is.
hushed geyser
wait when exactly can you get bloodstone from cal and brim?
safe oasis
post provi
hushed geyser
k
hollow shell
After Prov, before Polter
grim tusk
Try using something that isnt yoyos on Old Duke and revaluate your kill time
hollow shell
OD is post-polter
hushed geyser
im doing a yoyo only playthrough dude
sleek turret
oh god
dapper coral
test it outside of the playthrough then
grim tusk
Yea but for balancing suggs you must compare it to other weapons
sleek turret
uhhh
dapper coral
because you can't base a full sugg off of a single subclass result
grim tusk
^
dapper coral
yoyos are going to be bad on OD because that's how yoyos work
grim tusk
Iirc melee can absolutely dumpster Old Duke with neptune’s bounty and soul edge
Rogue too with the reaper
hollow shell
That's...
yeah you shouldn't blame Old Duke for being hard when you're doing a weapon challenge
aight
sleek turret
1- subclass sugg
2- post-ml content is getting rebalanced next update, asured.
3- lacerator is arguably worse than any other weapon i.e solar flare and verdant
grim tusk
Lacerator is prob worse than microwave
hushed geyser
ok well i thought the lacerator would be with ruinous soul stuff like bloodflare bc that would make sense
hollow shell
There is indeed a tier disconnect between Bloodstone weapons and the armor
hollow shell
I wasn't making an opinion statement I was stating how it actually is
You can feel free to agree with a fact though
signal glade
why is lacerator so AVERAGE
cobalt pewter
@frozen nest lores won't have effects in 1.5
frozen nest
ah, unfortunate
cobalt pewter
But you can still sugg about the box in general
frozen nest
should I edit my suggestion then?
cobalt pewter
Yes
frozen nest
I can't think of what would be a good alternative though, if lore items are losing their effects
robust lava
It seems kinda pointless to me for her to spawn the box in the Hallow, so that could be something to suggest?
frozen nest
this is exactly the sort of really minor effect that lore items as is are good for, like preventing ??? spawns
I mean, that could work yeah, but then you'd be forced to fight her in the Hallow
which now that I think about it is probably fine
since her 1% drops aren't biome specific
dapper coral
to be perfectly honest i don't think that the box thing needs to be togglable at all, so to speak
you could suggest to straight up get rid of it
frozen nest
I mean, it serves some purpose in the Underworld, but yeah
it's not like the Brimstone Elemental spawns a box, and it's also an Underworld boss
cerulean estuary
brimmy is restricted to the brimstone crag, where there isn't massive pools of lava for it to be lost it
frozen nest
I mean, there's definitely some lava there, but yeah
alright I've updated the suggestion to be to remove the box spawn in the Hallow
since that way if you want to farm her drops you can just do so in the Hallow
dapper coral
frozen nest
for now I guess I'll fill my arena with non-blocking foreground blocks
mighty knot
@cobalt pewter I love that, but I have to point out that Rogue already has a crap-ton of upgrades post-yharon 1
cobalt pewter
Uhhh
@storm sky didn't you just confirm that lacerator kinda works on DoG for 1.5
Also @signal glade check doc in pins, balance stuff goes thru testers instead of suggs
signal glade
Also <@727079457700970550> check doc in pins, balance stuff goes thru testers in...
so my sugg is voided?
wait
storm sky
Yes. Lacerator does technically work, but one must ask why you would put yourself through such torture of yoyos 
signal glade
Yes. Lacerator does technically work, but one must ask why you would put yoursel...
i mean its a weapon like saying
hmm let me give effort on adding yoyo THEN let them rot
just saying
but still its a weapon its usable
storm sky
Oh I know. But I can't control if it requires a rework or not. It is usable in the latest test (not using a glass loadout)
Yoyos are in such a weird balancing position
signal glade
some of the bloodcore weaps works in a way that its not bland yet its not op
while this yoyo just steals life
cobalt pewter
Wasn't lacerator reworked?
signal glade
and trust me it doesnt do its job that well
sleek turret
Yes. Lacerator does technically work, but one must ask why you would put yoursel...
Its painful.
Actually it increases your hp regen by 2
signal glade
I think it only accelerates regen now
again with regen cap its basically useless i think?
for normal- expert
it works
cobalt pewter
Ahh
pine star
I think it only accelerates regen now
It gives life regen
signal glade
but for revengence- death
it becomes funi weapon
storm sky
I'll ask about it in Dev. However, I cannot promise anything
signal glade
yee
But still the sugg is a bit flawed
the sugg I made concerns people who play rev-death
and its a bit unfair?
sleek turret
Wasn't lacerator reworked?
It did get a rework like, 2 years ago to increase regen instead of having a damaging aura.
You can check Terry's videos about Lacerator DoG.
signal glade
It did get a rework like, 2 years ago to increase regen instead of having a dama...
damaging aura feels like its better? if executed properly
pine star
It absolutely shredded DoG
sleek turret
"Viable?"
"Not Viable"
"Lacerator"
storm sky
I'm guessing Lacerator's AoE ignored i-frames, which could lead to some severe problems and melting DoG
sleek turret
let me check some Lacerator DoG video
sleek turret
I'm guessing Lacerator's AoE ignored i-frames, which could lead to some severe p...
Correct.
It did ignore i-frames that would cause to DoG to die very quickly.
viscid dagger
Im not sure if this has ever been thought of or if this is even allowed, but Ive been thinking of suggesting a change to Demonshade Armor where the set bonus becomes permanent when activated so you dont need to keep pressing it every 8 seconds. Ive just gotten real tired of clicking on my Armor bonus key every few seconds and believe making it akin to say the Asgardian Aegis buff would work much better.
crude geode
iirc demon shade is getting like massively changed
viscid dagger
All I know is that its getting a resprite
grim tusk
It is getting some (kind of uncesseary unless its on the defensive department) buffs
earnest cape
it's getting changed™️
signal glade
it's getting changed™️
on itself if the armor was left alone like that draedon will get melted
golden narwhal
Bot dead/alive again
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell pongu
muted osprey
should I make a sugg about proficiency
hollow shell
Yeah one's due for delet
ashen warren
<@456226577798135808> Bot's down
fixing, give it a min
hollow shell
👍
earnest cape
muted osprey
while bot is being fixed
is it ok if I make a sugg about proficiency?
cos I don't wanna get ❗
hollow shell
Sure
muted osprey
so basically, sugg is about making proficiency easier to get
pure dust
@muted osprey YES PLEASE
earnest cape
thanks amber
muted osprey
cos honestly you get like 12? normally unless you actually farm for it on purpose
hollow shell
I mean, that doesn't seem too bad, 12 / 15
pure dust
true
muted osprey
so I want to suggest something like a craftable post ml item to max out proficiency
pure dust
I reached max summoner proficiency with 10 zerg blood moons
@muted osprey THAT IS BRILIANT
WE NEED THIS
muted osprey
tho the main thing is just making proficiency easier to get
pure dust
or perhaps something post scal
hot zephyr
Proficiency Potion
pure dust
since only post ml is kind of op
muted osprey
also do have to add the title bold by myself
dapper blaze
omw to create a mod that instantly maxes out proficiency (extremely fun gameplay)
cobalt pewter
That rather undermines the point of proficiency, besides using the proficiency meter as accs will boost your proficiency gain anyways
If you do feel that the boost w/ meter is still low, maybe sugg that instead
dapper blaze
If you do feel that the boost w/ meter is still low, maybe sugg that instead
I'm heavily against the idea of targeting the meter
I agree that there should be other ways to improve proficiency gain
with other drawbacks, even
introduction of more "mechanics" and building upon proficiency
instead of what is essentially a mindless grind
I personally believe a little of a strategy in what you use to boost your prof. gain is a good idea
cobalt pewter
Yeah I totally don't mind that
Maxing out proficiency just from using an item is kinda iffy, which was what the original idea is
dapper blaze
ye
muted osprey
not exactly the original idea
more like smth I just came up with
wait do I bold the title by myself when posting sugg?
hollow shell
You can but it's not needed
crude geode
Auric Toilet was a mistake™️
dapper coral
i knew that one would make it eventually
it just pains me that it happened
glass sentinel
and you're the one who has the put it through
dapper coral
indeed
earnest cape
i guess you're feeling shit with sending that toilet sugg eh demik?
shitty joke amirite
rain basalt
Deus resist to infinite pierce when?
rotund tree
it already has piercing resistance
glass sentinel
yesterday
frail mantle
it already does
crude geode
Isn’t this like a don’t or a frequently suggested?
earnest cape
☑️
pastel terrace
oh fuck my bad
dapper blaze
add terraria to calamity
earnest cape
nah it's a frequently sugged suggestion
cobalt pewter
nah it's a frequently sugged suggestion
Indeed
pastel terrace
Sorry for suggesting it
frail mantle
yea this one has been frequently suggested, i believe it's been denied before because with death animations you'd have to redo the entire animation every time the boss is resprited
frail mantle
and for fat fucks like Prov that takes a long time
eternal escarp
its mostly something that should prolly happen like, later on
pastel terrace
Should I delete my sugg?
earnest cape
no unless it has some problems with it which I can't be fucked to think about cause my brain's soup
that said cursed would've said something by now
frail mantle
actually i can't find any boss spawn animation since the sugg bot was added so it might not be a bluecheck
at least none that are just general "give all bosses spawn animations"
pastel terrace
boss spawn animations are really cool
earnest cape
it's definitely a frequently sugged in the doc
pastel terrace
Can I suggest specific animations for bosses or nah?
pastel terrace
okay cool
earnest cape
i think
eternal escarp
i remember a sugg like that, but i think it just boiled down to "itd be cool" as the reason last time
frail mantle
how would specific animations count as SIS
pastel terrace
I feel like big bosses, especially superbosses, should get spawn animations
eternal escarp
well we have time until the 2 superbosses come anyways
frail mantle
eah
eternal escarp
tbh i agree with the sugg, but idk if its really the priority atm (sugg is 100% valid though afaik)
crude geode
Tbh I think that spawn animations are less of a worry than smoothing out the rougher parts of the mod currently, such as balancing and a huge lack of biome exploration as well. That said it is valid tho.
earnest cape
yeh
frail mantle
yea i'd say it's valid, just not something the mod would prioritize at the moment
pastel terrace
fair nuff