lores are dying in 1.5 anyhow
#suggestions-discussion
dapper coral
so that won't happen directly to the lore item
it's possible that another item will be made for it instead
hollow shell
Yeah, would have to be a new item
earnest cape
rip cryo lore dash
languid quartz
stone sable
ew gross, a me
cobalt pewter
Fina in main
hollow shell
A suggestion very similar to this was posted a few days ago, but it looks like that isn't gonna reach the req so, this is fine
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
A suggestion very similar to this was posted a few days ago, but it looks like t...
Sad life
See
earnest cape
fina without yellow looks weird
stone sable
A suggestion very similar to this was posted a few days ago, but it looks like t...
oh, I ignore this server as much as possible, sorry that I didn't see that
hollow shell
It's aight
warm scarab
#suggestions-posting message
cal test helpers mod
earnest cape
can you not
dapper coral
cal test isn't public, ya know
cobalt pewter
Technically it isn't public by mod browser standards
dapper coral
correct
that's what i mean
hence it's not a simple solution as ham seems to imply
warm scarab
cal test isn't public, ya know
Make rage and adrean use sound something that's not ml deathray sound
i think we all know why
almost posted this
cobalt pewter
make them use Rav spawn sound for agony
warm scarab
rage:
hollow shell
They should probably all have unique sounds, yes
In fact I did already make a sound for Demonshade enrage, it just never got added đ
I'll go bring it up again
earnest cape
oof moment
crude geode
Tbfh new player argument doesnât particularly sit well with me, as moon lord deathray is exclusive to his fight and not just in any boss fight. That said all 3 should probably get new sound effects so we arenât just copying vanilla
cobalt pewter
crude geode
languid quartz
crude geode
Alright cease emote chain
earnest cape
golden narwhal
mmyes
crude geode
@raven niche
Reasoning behind this sugg?
earnest cape
suggestor continues to play brawlhalla
tawny garden
And they don't seem to respond
hollow shell
You don't need all that specificity and you do need more of a reason
muted osprey
based on his status I think he really likes blobfishes
cobalt pewter
Blobfish can work
hollow shell
(Also, Thorium mod adds blobfishes to its water biome, so if you're hungering for Terraria blobfish in general then you can get your fill)
cobalt pewter
Just the sugg itself is too specific
tawny garden
You don't need all that specificity and you do need more of a reason
@raven niche ^
muted osprey
mf really be playing brawlhalla
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
also your opinion is irrelevant because of drip, but that's for another time
muted osprey
haha funny drip
muted osprey
poggers
earnest cape
inb4 sunken sea
warm scarab
~~inb4 sunken sea~~
ty for inspiration
you mentioned sunken sea and i thought of amadias
warm scarab
its nothing but annoyance imo
how
frail mantle
Isnât Amidias basically unrelated to the sunken sea besides the SS being located below where his kingdom was
cobalt pewter
Annoyance time let's
warm scarab
Isnât Amidias basically unrelated to the sunken sea besides the SS being located...
what
oh wait yes
i'm dumb nvm
warm scarab
Annoyance time let's
warm scarab
dapper coral
i am literally angery rn
earnest cape
sadge angery
tawny garden
Demik, calm down
earnest cape
mayonnaisinator really existed and disappeared
dapper coral
never
warm scarab
i am literally angery rn
calm down :fear:
is the bait from astral crates
supposed to be dropped that way
it seems dumb
like scarab fishing rod
fishing with something you fished up
robust lava
mayonnaisinator really existed and disappeared
Yo don't call me out. I lurk, begin to type something out, then think "nah nevermind" and retreat back to my hole
crude geode
earnest cape
warm scarab
earnest cape
anyway
crude geode
Wait was the suggestion about forcing amidias to only be able to live in sunken sea.
crude geode
Good
eternal escarp
1.4 JE moment but actual forcing? now thats where i will draw the line
happiness is guchi
but forcing is too much imo
earnest cape
happiness is a myth
eternal escarp
die
warm scarab
^
eternal escarp
happiness is cool
earnest cape
crude geode
Happiness is a myth by the terraria devs to prevent npc cramming
eternal escarp
~~i still like the feature 
~~
crude geode
Byech
eternal escarp
#suggestions-posting message also couldnt this be said about like
mostly any biome that doesnt just mean "fight boss here and leave"
warm scarab
warm scarab
Happiness is a myth by the terraria devs to prevent npc cramming
you mean prison/shoebox
cramming isn't a problem
cobalt pewter
Astral isn't even strictly a boss biome, Aureus doesn't have an enrage beyond astral (but it still spawns there), and Deus doesn't need Astral area to be spawned
warm scarab
crude geode
4 hdfailures in 4 messages is excessive
warm scarab
lmao
eternal escarp
you say..
crude geode
thatâs called an emote chain itâs epic and cool unlike one person doing it over and over again
warm scarab
crude geode
Agree tbfh
dapper coral
i will kill you for emote chain if i get there on time
cobalt pewter
Angy demik
crude geode
Byeah uh Brimstone Crags also has this problem tbfh, along with Sunken Sea
eternal escarp
crags prolly has this problem the most, you mostly only go there for brimmy and maybe bloodstone, unless im missing smthn
dapper coral
bloodfins?
eternal escarp
oh yeah, true
cobalt pewter
Slurper Pole technically too
dapper coral
not a great reason but it exists
cobalt pewter
Byech
crude geode
Going to crags pre-hm is like going into a dark alley at midnight and handing the dark figure there a knife
cobalt pewter
Actually now that I think about it biomes are probably cal's worse aspect, sunken sea probably the only thing that I can say pretty decent
crude geode
Mhm it absolutely is
cobalt pewter
And maybe abyss too
crude geode
Abyss is the best biome currently.
Multiple layers of exploration, unique enemies, and a unique design.
cobalt pewter
Sunken Sea has the great combi of the theme and peaceful setting
eternal escarp
the sulphsea has the most content, after abyss iirc? so id say its prty fine
cobalt pewter
While Abyss is yes
crude geode
Sulphuric Sea is less of a biome and more of an event.
eternal escarp
yeah i guess thats true
crude geode
You donât go there to explore it, you go there to go to abyss/do acid rain.
eternal escarp
you dont go there often unless acid rain or AS , yeah
sunken sea deserves a bit more imo, its a wonderfull biome that could be used atleast one more time somewhere in the game
maybe not post ml, byeah
earnest cape
Byeah uh Brimstone Crags also has this problem tbfh, along with Sunken Sea
i mean brimstone crags enemies kinda also drop bloodstones post provi and gael's greatsword
just more prehm content tbh
crude geode
imagine getting bloodstone from brimstone crag enemies and not rav treasure bags 
earnest cape
true 
eternal escarp
the sea has most of its content open right after DS, and about 7 more things at start of HM, and thats basically it afaik
oh, and the lab ~~and building blocks 
~~
eternal escarp
it is fine, i wouldve just personally liked more content byeah
cobalt pewter
Idk why Astral was chosen for the biome chest
eternal escarp
that is true though that the astral and crags are prolly the most lackluster
cobalt pewter
Hot take: Heavenfallen Stardisk isn't even that amazing
sleek turret
There was a certain item called Ashen Key.
Which uhh, it was for opening ashen chests I think? Never really understood its uses.
It got removed in some update.
cobalt pewter
Also I hate Stardisk's SS because it's one of them traveling projectiles that don't really work as stealth strikes imo
unkempt heath
not even a hot take, just sucks
eternal escarp
imo, the crags deserve a biome chest more then the abyss, since the abyss has 3 tiers of content anyways (although, the abyss having a biome chest would be cool)
crude geode
âA chest in a completely separate biome expands upon the content of a biome across the mapâ 
sleek turret
"go to dungeon and see the funny x color pallete chest"
eternal escarp
fair point
sleek turret
Although yeah, some biomes deserve some dungeon chests over there.
eternal escarp
its just that its wierder the astral has a chest, while its not a biome that exists from the start
sleek turret
And make some biomes not just "just go there 1-3 times only and forgive about it"
sleek turret
its just that its wierder the astral has a chest, while its not a biome that exi...
Hallow chest.
cobalt pewter
Astral chest doesn't even have a working key
eternal escarp
wait theres an hallow chest?
cobalt pewter
Yes
eternal escarp
bruh i forgot about that
cobalt pewter
...?
sleek turret
Yes.
cobalt pewter
How
sleek turret
It exists.
eternal escarp
why vanilla
crude geode
Congrats.
sleek turret
Its the rainbow gun hallowed chest.
crude geode
Astral chest doesn't even have a working key
Didnât it literally get removed.
earnest cape
ye
cobalt pewter
Yeah
eternal escarp
~~now i have another chest to hate ~~
byeah
eternal escarp
theres so many random things in terraria you just forget them because theres just so many random things no one uses
crude geode
Like all the dungeon chest weapons except Vampire Knives?
eternal escarp
yeah basically
earnest cape
did you know pearlwood bow in calam is now just dollar store rainbow gun?
crude geode
Yep
eternal escarp
yeah quite funny
crude geode
Offtopic but I do in fact know this
Byeah cal biomes need more attention than adding another boss imo
sleek turret
Yeah.
earnest cape
definitely.
crude geode
Of course, some people donât give two shits about biomes and just want more bosses and more new endgame weapons to kill everything with, but to each their own ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
sleek turret
demographics about "what do you want on x biome"
hardy dock
Is there a plan for fixing Demonshade Armor next update?
tawny garden
What do you mean by "fixing"
earnest cape
"fixing demonshade"?
tawny garden
Uh
eternal escarp
well technically?
tawny garden
It's already glass
eternal escarp
auric is getting a little nerf i believe, so indirect buff..????
frail mantle
depends on whether or not AT is still stronger in 1.5
earnest cape
it's getting buffed yes as confirmed by ozz earlier this day
hardy dock
Thats good
frail mantle
earnest cape
indeed
hardy dock
tawny garden
It's gonna be nerfed 
Just that the power curve is flattened by more
hardy dock
Honestly as long as it's at least usable compared to Auric I'm good
tawny garden
Another crag sugg
hardy dock
warm scarab
Another crag sugg
i forgot to post it 1 hour ago
hardy dock
At least you have any reason to go back post-ML
warm scarab
there's literally no reason to go to crags post ml
warm scarab
Bean isn't as good as people say anyway
yes
hardy dock
Bloodstone
hardy dock
The enemies drop the stuff too
warm scarab
yes
tawny garden
Bean isn't as good as people say anyway
This.
tawny garden
(wasn't directed at you)
sharp prism
warm scarab
tawny garden
Also, your sugg has the words "philo stone", even though I don't own any stones
earnest cape
mmyes might want to remove that
tawny garden
Philosopher*
earnest cape
yes
cobalt pewter
Too much Harry Potter ig
earnest cape
red stormBOT
cobalt pewter
hech
sharp prism
tf
hardy dock
it's a pretty amazing accessory imo
I get the deific amulet specifically because it's a direct upgrade ot the chrm of myths
chrome dock
i cant figure out how to space it oulr
cobalt pewter
Shift Enter
cyan lagoon
@chrome dock Specific item suggestions aren't allowed
chrome dock
ok
tawny garden
isn't really that specific
chrome dock
a bullet that leaves a trail of something behild it
cobalt pewter
Not sure why it's needed, first of all
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
There's already a good chunk of bullets in HM
zenith hazel
add a better reason as to why this is necessary
fossil finch
this is an indirect buff to ranger so no
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
I might resugg my ammo dmg removal sugg for the...4th time?
tawny garden
molten quest
But atleast we know what the sugg is about-
wide flicker
The title is a little redundant, but it looks good to me
void oak
Dang
ancient mirage
you cant have future content stuff
languid quartz
^
eternal escarp
@celest laurel ^
eternal escarp
oh, welp
celest laurel
removed since
sorry
earnest cape
Ples read pin
fossil finch
I guess you are talking about a logo, and, afaik, this will happen eventually
robust lava
While this doesn't discount the suggestion, it might be worth noting that tML 1.4 is adding better ways to modify the title screen, so it may be something that would be better aimed at Journey's End Calamity
safe oasis
@timber horizon ^
gray nebula
channel bloat
tawny garden
what
gray nebula
kindof awesome when the channel itself in which the sugg has been posted features the doc not too far above
tawny garden
@crystal iron nobody will read anyway
proud parcel
Just have bot repost suggestions doc every hour so its always on bottom
tawny garden
no, the bot breaks too often
proud parcel
It lets you know when bot broke then, so you don't have to wait until something should be moved to #suggestions-voting to find out
whole sedge
stickied messages are cool and would probably be better than pins as to even post something you have to see it there 
crystal iron
Is this better
tawny garden
ehhhhhhhhhhh
hot zephyr
I mean
tawny garden
as I said, nobody will read anyway
crystal iron
It's not about a new channel anymore
crystal iron
Oh
tawny garden
thing is, #bugs-read-pins
has "-read-pins" at the end of the name
and people still don't read pins
eternal escarp
well id argue some do, you just prolly cant know it because those who read pings dont end up talking
but its not 100% obv yeah
tawny garden
those who don't read pins might also not talk
eternal escarp
fair ig
tawny garden
so it kinda averages out
wooden quartz
We could try to integrate one of those read the rules systems, since one of the rules says to read pins before posting, but it seems like our luck with bots is poor. And the effectiveness of those systems is debatable.
eternal escarp
prfy sure community discord have that buikt in by now, discord automaticaly makes a new member read the rules iirc
unless they havnt set a rules channel ig
tawny garden
(I did once post a sugg that I thought would force people to read pins)
wooden quartz
prfy sure community discord have that buikt in by now, discord automaticaly make...
You can probably scroll to the bottom or such and hit I read it. I was talking about one of those hidden password things
eternal escarp
ohh
huh
ive never seen those "password thingies" youre talling about so im not sure what it really means
tawny garden
You can probably scroll to the bottom or such and hit I read it. I was talking a...
people would get confused over these
wooden quartz
I've never seen it happen. They way they work is you just start reading and at some point there's a break in the rules that says, "this is the password" or "do this to gain access" done to make using control + f to find it difficult.
proper grail
fossil finch
people have more chance to read the channel's name than the desc ig
this is uh
ue has slime and jungle crate drops already, it does not really need this
hollow shell
@round ravine Bloom Slime
safe oasis
(and jungle crates)
eternal escarp
the only calamity ore that isnt renewable iirc is Auric
hollow shell
If you know, then you should acknowledge their existence in your suggestion
You say "ores aren't infinite", which is wrong, cuz there already exist renewable sources
eternal escarp
it would make getting Uelibloom Bars an easier time.
sounds like a reason
ig
although uelibloom isnt that hard to come by, atleast for me
hollow shell
(I hope he's editing the suggestion and didn't just leave instantly after he got pinged)
eternal escarp
(prty sure if you edit a message it still shows as if you are typing one, so this is an moment i think)
sleek turret
although uelibloom isnt that hard to come by, atleast for me
They're a little "spent more time on the jungle" type of ore compared to others like Altar ores or Cryonic.
sleek turret
just didn't want to specificy "hardmode/adamantite cobalt etc etc" too much
eternal escarp
yeah yeah
sleek turret
((and also because my discord is dying from lag today))
hollow shell
https://tenor.com/view/justin-timberlake-jt-bad-teacher-stupid-i-feel-stupid-gif...
You can edit your suggestion
(Or delete it)
ashen warren
Im surprised
My perm upgrade suggestion was the first suggestion i made that made it to #suggestions-voting
zenith hazel
ashen warren
Im surprised i thought it wasnt gonna make it
hollow shell
I don't think it matters that much because of what #suggestions-posting is
It's a filter
If someone breaks the sugg rules in that channel, it doesn't really matter
It gets â or deleted and nobody viewing #suggestions-voting ever sees it
crude geode
True
warm scarab
they mean it in a way similar to <#350387256583782400>
ohh
crude geode
@crystal iron See what rover said.
hollow shell
The suggestion is still fine I just personally disagree with it
crude geode
Yeah
warm scarab
||@grim tusk|| fun fight indeed
the predictive dashes are
the tooth balls, according to your sugg is annoying and echdemon and should be nerfed indeed
but even nerfing them won't make the fight worth because od doesn't have good drops except od scales for no hitters to abuse
grim tusk
||<@!613133259563466755>|| fun fight indeed
the predictive dashes are <:ech:6369...
all of his drops are amazing on DoG wdym
warm scarab
what
seadrag's better than fetid emisis
the mage weapon is good i agree
but
the other ranged weapon is ech
cobalt pewter
Sentry's gud, and Skewer gud
cobalt pewter
Can't say about impaler and twister
warm scarab
Sentry's gud, and Skewer gud
skewer is weird
warm scarab
Can't say about impaler and twister
twister isn't that good because pruin exist
grim tusk
seadrag's better than fetid emisis
how lul
cobalt pewter
Fetid just sucks compared to Viper
grim tusk
twister is the weird one
grim tusk
bruh wtf
grim tusk
fetid with luminite or holy fire is amazing for DoG
warm scarab
fetid with luminite or holy fire is amazing for DoG
holy fire ftw
grim tusk
impaler can shred with adren or with DoG lined up
mystic cloak
Did anyone look at the suggestion from Darkness yet.
Pretty redundant if you ask me
example given
as to why the suggestion is pointless
mystic cloak
đ gotcha
BTW y'all mfers are doing great on the suggestions, and helping keep stuff great in suggestion-voting keep it up đ
tawny garden
#suggestions-posting already improved the quality of suggs by a lot
warm scarab
feed wdym
hollow shell
The dual function is neat I think
hollow shell
(I guess in practicality it doesn't make the weapon much more useful)
cobalt pewter
I feel like I'm just exacting my annoyance on broadswords atm byea
Indeed the dual function is merely a gimmick atm
The way Quarterstaff works (see the examples) would fit enough to visualize the effective use of a halberd
hollow shell
I've never heard this term in my life
cobalt pewter
God damnit demik
dapper coral
i was just saying that i like quarterstaffs and i want more, not that banshee hook is a quarterstaff
dapper coral
I've never heard this term in my life
its like uhh sleepy octopod from vanilla
dapper coral
although idk if that's the official term
byeah
circle and slam
welcome to the jam
hollow shell
I do like those and I have documented ideas for turning several broadswords into those, without the spin
Just a really heavy broadsword that hits the ground
I just call them "wobble spears" Feed
Glaive is fine
hollow shell
Wait maybe it isn't because [[Glaive]]
red stormBOT
cobalt pewter
Well 2 of the 3 the examples are named "x Glaive"
hollow shell
Indeed
cobalt pewter
Ghastly Glaive, Galvanizing Glaive
warm scarab
hollow shell
And one is named "x Hook" despite the fact
that they are obviously grilled
that the word "hook" is near-exclusively reserved for the Grappling ones
hollow shell
Yeah gotta wait an hour
warm scarab
cobalt pewter
Wait a hour?
I thought that's the actual slowmode
actually yeah give slowmode to 1 hour
hollow shell
He has a sugg in posting from 23 hours ago
is what I'm saying
And another more recent one
so he's at his limit of 2 per day
warm scarab
here's the sugg
Make Elemental Lance's projectiles split less
this weapon's splitting projectiles contribute a lot to it's damage, but the amount of projectiles that can be created tend to cause a lot of lag on low end devices, having them split less in exchange for more damage/crit would make it more friendly to players with potato pcs. It also happens to desync servers if players use the weapon too much due to the huge amount of projectiles that linger in an area, fixing the problem would make this good weapon multiplayer friendly.
hollow shell
Indeed, Ele Lance does do that
warm scarab
i just softlocked the game with adam enchantment
cobalt pewter
....
warm scarab
so i tested to see if elem lance alone cause the problem or is it fargo's fault
and i got giga lag
just go half melee speed half damage build with solar wings and angel treads
and you get lag after using elem lance for like 30 secs
and provi fight is supposed to be 1 min+
50 mins
Make Anechoic Coating useful
currently it serves no purpose than letting pre hardmode players explore abyss without getting killed multiple times, but the narrow paths on abyss limited the use of this potion. Making it reduce aggro more would make it more useful than the plating accessory you find in abyss and will make players actually get them and use them
how about this sugg
i have so many more to post
crude geode
feedzuh moment
Anechoic Coating is extremely easy to get and use is the thing. You get it naturally by being in the ocean or the abyss or sulphur sea lul and it's a nice little buff to help deal with cuttlefish or other small annoyances. Additionally, aggro mechanics are kinda in general.
cobalt pewter
~~feedzuh moment~~
Anechoic Coating is extremely easy to get and use is the thin...
that meme is dead smh my head
golden narwhal
(Just gonna say, if you want a free sugg slot, brimstone crag rework is already guaranteed to happen #suggestions-voting message)
hot zephyr
lol my sticker sugg. So close.
warm scarab
this sugg is thinkies
warm scarab
~~feedzuh moment~~
Anechoic Coating is extremely easy to get and use is the thin...
lel
warm scarab
(Just gonna say, if you want a free sugg slot, brimstone crag rework is already ...
ty
glad badger
Oop probably should've brought mine up here first too
golden narwhal
Not a necessity
cobalt pewter
Man Gravistar Sabaton suggs haven't gone well at all huh
golden narwhal
Hamburger did because he already had two suggs in posting
glad badger
I'll admit that I never touch anechoic plating, that slight buff wouldn't hurt
As for my sugg I basically just think Genesis's split beam should split at the cursor because it currently is sorta awkward and mostly goes offscreen if pointed vertically, making the weapon weird to use if you're not to the left or right of your targets
crude geode
Genesis is just awkward to use in general because of the splitting being uncontrollable, and a very small range.
cobalt pewter
Svantechnical lets
warm scarab
Man Gravistar Sabaton suggs haven't gone well at all huh
what
crude geode
Yeah. It's more like you're using a rebranded melee weapon than an actual magic gun.
glad badger
Plus that makes it awkward for people who may prefer to keep their cursor close to their character
crude geode
It's very clunky overall.
glad badger
Because then if they're trying to target close-range enemies, the beam's gonna fly all over the place
crude geode
As for tips on your sugg, I would probably mention the range being very lackluster, making it harder to use than other magic weapons at similar points. Also I would at least address the fact that most of the bosses around Genesis/Alpha Ray do stay close to you (i.e. Provi and Yharon)
Even though they do chase you, consistently keeping the beam on them is somewhat difficult (moreso in Yharon's case.)
glad badger
That is true!
Giving the beam a uniform shape more or less forces you to cling to a certain distance
The sweet spot's too tight for any boss that isn't slow or absolutely ginormous in hitbox size (moon lord and his tiny hitboxes > : ( )
cobalt pewter
Honestly I don't find the Wingman line particularly interesting
Wingman is just a basic magic gun with 3 overlapped shots each use
Genisis is a lot clunky yes
And the only workable thing Alpha Ray has is the primary
glad badger
I didn't touch Wingman much since it was too simple for my tastes, Genisis is really cool but could be better
crude geode
Wingman has no real reason to exist tbfh.
cobalt pewter
Wingman exists for Alpha Ray basically
glad badger
I guess yeah
RN in my current playthrough my hotbar has Nebula Blaze, Augur of the Elements, Nuclear Fury, and Genisis
I've made some use of Genisis but it could be better, hence why I made the suggestion
But I am madly in love with AotE and Nuclear Fury
muted osprey
mad alch cock
golden narwhal
mmyes the forgettable cousin
crude geode
Suggestion: Copy all of 1.4.1
Why not?
earnest cape
lowering their projectiles/particles and slightly increasing projectile damage
this just sounds incredibly dumb
why would you even give a second thought to turn on the config if it increased the damage?
eternal escarp
also, you need to seperate your headline, otherwise it will break the bot
earnest cape
nah it's fine
eternal escarp
you sure?
earnest cape
tawny garden
it's fine
cobalt pewter
Byeah as mis said earlier
earnest cape
if it was the case like:
title rest of sugg
cobalt pewter
>lowering their projectiles/particles and slightly increasing projectile damage
...
dum
eternal escarp
never ending space
earnest cape
anyway if it was made like that with all spaces and not shift+enter then it would be problematic
eternal escarp
byeah
cobalt pewter
I personally would just go to case-by-case review and reduce the projectile clutter of specific weapons
A lot of effort tho
crude geode
Better than just a blanket of âconfig balanceâ which is a horrible idea, having balancing be based around a config
earnest cape
hahaech
warm scarab
the sugg...
is based off the amount of lag-related QoL suggs
there's already enough
earnest cape
nah sugg's valid
earnest cape
sadge
sleek turret
earnest cape
Better than just a blanket of âconfig balanceâ which is a horrible idea, having ...
Also @meager tangle please consider this^^ and remove the and slightly increasing projectile damage
i had something else to waste time on so thats why this is late
warm scarab
cobalt pewter
iirc Typhon's Greed is the current quarterstaff weapon in cal?
earnest cape
@round ravine make a proper sugg and a solid reason
radiant meadow
Yeah you're going to have to elaborate a lot if you expect something like that to fly.
tawny garden
This sugg
radiant meadow
There is like a 99% chance Boss Rush won't be removed.
tawny garden
Isn't it 100%
round ravine
<@388460480915832833> make a proper sugg and a solid reason
Sorry about that. I was put in a bad mood.
radiant meadow
You shouldn't make suggestions spontaneously off of a bad mood like that then.
tawny garden
If you're angry that you failed, doesn't mean it should be removed
earnest cape
If you're angry that you failed, doesn't mean it should be removed
And ye^
tawny garden
P5 still exists in HK
earnest cape
pine star
ancient mirage
doesnt that mean that part of it was accepted and part of it wasnt
pine star
ooohhhh
distant gyro
tranquil perch
Your title was too vague, so it had to be broken down in some way.
The previous title was "Raise/Fix buff slots"
warm scarab
mystic cloak
That's an interesting take on it, and I think that would benefit greatly to have a "vanity" buff slot thing and normal buff slot
Also have we mentioned the ink bomb yet?
Because Giant squids aren't colossal squids. The giant squids are like 1st or 2nd tier abyss trip. Colossal squids are post-polter, and that's the big mfer that messes you up. The one you're actually referring to is the black squiddy boi, this one right here.
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Giant_Squid
@crude geode
I would say change your suggestion up a little bit to make it accurate.
mystic cloak
but giant squids are the ones that drop the ink bomb, and way before colossal squids.
they're post plantera
You didn't even bother checking the page I just sent ;u;
Frankly it isn't even an issue, just battle or zerg potion, and kill the giant squids, there's no post-polter gating to it either, just a bit of an infrequent drop rate.
They also drop from cuttlefish as well, actually, which are really more frequent than you think, and can be 5%'d with defiled rune.
golden narwhal
That chance is reduced to 1% or whatever the hell it is next update (why I'm guessing this sugg was made)
dapper coral
defiled rune is also dying next update so that is also not an option
cerulean estuary
I agree with this sugg that thing is ass to get
warm scarab
i've been thinking about this
last time i used b-flux with it and deific amulet i killed d mode golem with full mobility setup 
killed golem head before adren ran out
and using it with p90 when you have ichor bullets is interesting
but the major problem is eldritch tome/shadowflame hex doll
less than 20 sec WoF kill time wtf
best i could do with star cannon is 30
and star cannon is supposed to be op
earnest cape
Judging by your track record i do not believe a single thing that comes out your mouth
warm scarab
photonic have proof
earnest cape
....then why didnt you show it jn the sugg
warm scarab
warm scarab
....then why didnt you show it jn the sugg
i'm dumb
grim tusk
warm scarab
there
grim tusk
Photonic sent this elsewhere
warm scarab
ye
warm scarab
Photonic sent this elsewhere
he gave me that too
but that killtime is inaccurate
so i just did one
mystic cloak
Yo wtf that's scuffed op
warm scarab
yes
grim tusk
but that killtime is inaccurate
Yea he stalled til he got adren
mystic cloak
do it w/out bars
warm scarab
a quarter of my projectiles aren't hitting
grim tusk
Luxors is getting nerfed hard next patch lul
warm scarab
cobalt pewter
I don't understand Luxor's stance in 1.5
mystic cloak
I'm talking bout you hamburger
warm scarab
luxor's need nerf but not that hard
warm scarab
I'm talking bout you hamburger
yes but wdym without bars
mystic cloak
adren & rage bars
grim tusk
I don't understand Luxor's stance in 1.5
10% of the projectileâs damage but no cap anymore
mystic cloak
Luxors is so scuffed sometimes, istfg
cobalt pewter
I know the change
mystic cloak
first it was melee and shivs, or really high attack speed weapons with high damage
cobalt pewter
But I'm not sure what's Luxor's purpose anymore
mystic cloak
Now it's magic & ranged breaking it
cobalt pewter
Is it meant for pML now?
mystic cloak
Luxors is meant to be like an early game accessory to help w/ pre-boss and sort of early boss when you don't got much else for accessories
grim tusk
But I'm not sure what's Luxor's purpose anymore
Its meant to last the whole game and not just be op in pre-hm, ok in hm and shit in post-ml
grim tusk
They did
cobalt pewter
grim tusk
Prism iirc is also getting the same treatment
earnest cape
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/812895952796385310/Ter...
Min max, boc+laud and use of rage and adrenaline
Welll fucking yeaj obviously its overpowered as fuck
Balancing off of this is a complete waste of time since it's YOUR fault for min maxing
Also remove the specific percents of weapons' damage buff when using luxors and the 4 tick nerf since it's a bit too specific imo @warm scarab
tranquil perch
<@341570398829150208>
Gypsy robe, wizard hat, meteor pants, boots, scarf, mana polarizer, luxors gift (duh)
tranquil perch
Balancing off of this is a complete waste of time since it's YOUR fault for min ...
Yes that was the point, did he sugg nerfing eldritch+ luxor
earnest cape
Cause saying this is op after min maxing is absolutely fucking dumb
tranquil perch
With normal non minmax gear u can kill WoF in like 30s tho
earnest cape
Ill test it out later
tranquil perch
Hamburger boi can you not suggest as much stuff, also devs are already going through a balance sweep so balance suggs are invalid
grim tusk
Yea we told him luxors has been killed next patch already
warm scarab
Gypsy robe, wizard hat, meteor pants, boots, scarf, mana polarizer, luxors gift ...
What
warm scarab
Cause saying this is op after min maxing is absolutely fucking dumb
I didn't
See my gear
3 mobility items
Ofc full menacing because anything else is trash
warm scarab
Hamburger boi can you not suggest as much stuff, also devs are already going thr...
Ah ok
crude geode
Hamburger boi can you not suggest as much stuff, also devs are already going thr...
post ml balance sweep you mean. Balance suggs before that are still valid af.
crude geode
I was referring to the part photonic said about balance suggs being invalid.
But luxor's is already getting killed next update. Sugg is already being done.
tranquil perch
post ml balance sweep you mean. Balance suggs before that are still valid af.
I assume they're also rebalancing prehm and hm because there are some flaws
Also elemental eruption is gonna receive a nerf
warm scarab
But luxor's is already getting killed next update. Sugg is already being done.
So I should delete the sugg?
crude geode
The changelogs have shown that they are far more focused on post-ml in general.
byeah prolly tbfh
wait until next update to see if it's still op.
dapper coral
post ml balance sweep you mean. Balance suggs before that are still valid af.
they may be valid but they sure as hell aren't getting looked at for at least a month or two
so they're pretty moot atm too
dapper coral
Ofc full menacing because anything else is trash
this is another reason why balancing in general in the public version doesn't compare to the test version
defensive modifier changes exist in 1.5 test so they're worth using over menacing
so your test is invalidated by the fact that we actually use defensive modifiers in testing
so in general i would just discourage balance suggs period
if it's pre-ML, don't even bother
if it's post-ML, ask a tester instead
warm scarab
this is another reason why balancing in general in the public version doesn't co...
warding is ech in pre hm
or does it give 1% dr in pre hm
đ€
tired haven
It does
radiant meadow
Public version gives 1%dr at all stages of progression
warm scarab
it's not useless
earnest cape
OK, just tested the eldritch tome and luxors(this is without luxor's, all menacing, reforged to mythical WITH godmode)
same deal as before, but using luxors instead of obsidian shield
grim tusk
44 second kill time 
, then halved with luxors 
earnest cape
i used godmode because without using it is literally a death sentence and getting to the 20 second kill time stated before is beyond impossible
earnest cape
44 second kill time <:BrimSus:658887262280613908>, then halved with luxors <:Bri...
yeah and this is with godmode 
realistically without godmode it's closer to 1.30-2 minutes
so in conclusion please buff eldritch tome
it's almost unusable because you have to get so close to wall and considering your best healing pot is 100(120 if honeyfin) it's incredibly bad
dapper coral
wall of flesh is meant to take 2 minutes, for the record
that's how it's been balanced
earnest cape
ah
dapper coral
and yes godmode is not good for testing either
earnest cape
yeah I'm just using it so I don't suffer too much
now time to test it without godmode :D
(without godmode, obsidian shield instead of luxors)
took more hits than i would've liked becuase you have to be so close
warm scarab
OK, just tested the eldritch tome and luxors(this is without luxor's, all menaci...
why are you using scarf
earnest cape
(without godmode, using luxors)
earnest cape
why are you using scarf
literally EVERYONE would be using scarf at that point.
warm scarab
i don't use dash
earnest cape
tbh when testing this wof wasn't as bad as I thought
warm scarab
hook exist
dapper coral
then that's you
earnest cape
yeah but I don't care
dapper coral
the majority of people use dashes
earnest cape
I'm testing generally
dapper coral
and 1:06 is incredibly good, for the record
you probably took a lot of hits but that's the kind of playstyle you have to have with the tentacles
earnest cape
yes, yes it is but your life is always on the line tbh
dapper coral
so as long as you can tank a little bit, it's still really good
warm scarab
^
altho i think WoF is spamming too much because iframes made most of the lasers do nothing
earnest cape
eh they still do a lot and it spamming more means less oppurtunities to get close and hit
warm scarab
ye
earnest cape
so in conclusion, don't use this weapon if you don't want to have a high likelihood of dying and experiencing pain and suffering
dapper coral
what was even the original sugg
earnest cape
nerf luxors to have a 4 tick delay after spawning one
so basically give luxors a 4 use time
dapper coral
hm
warm scarab
so basically give luxors a 4 use time
at least
warm scarab
because eldritch tome happens to get the most buff from luxor's
dapper coral
but then, why not nerf it for just eldritch tome
dapper coral
as opposed to a blanket nerf that would probably make it totally useless for other weapons
it just seems strange that
you're basing a blanket nerf off of one weapon's results
earnest cape
they also brought up using p90 and the like 
warm scarab
yes
earnest cape
yeh
dapper coral
and i think it's getting unstupid for 1.5
warm scarab
i hope
dapper coral
but yes uh
dapper coral
if you're set on doing a blanket nerf then you're gonna need stats for more than just a single weapon, especially if you want to nerf all non-summoner luxor's projectiles
warm scarab
hmm
earnest cape
^
dapper coral
otherwise just nerf it on eldritch tome
warm scarab
ye
earnest cape
please learn from this hamburgerboi
dapper coral
Judging by your track record i do not believe a single thing that comes out your...
(i would also ask that you refrain from being so openly hostile in the future too, mis)
just because they've made some bad/ill-informed suggestions doesn't mean you have to insult them as such
earnest cape
yeah sorry they just irritate me sometimes
dapper coral
i'm aware, but that's not a good reason
earnest cape
warm scarab
please learn from this hamburgerboi
warm scarab
never do this to rev WoF
earnest cape
especially the
warm scarab
overly specific
i need to find more weapons that happen to have the same effect
earnest cape
happened to have 7 ticks usetime but 21 ticks use animation time (according to modder's toolkit), meaning luxor's gift projectiles will be shooting at 6 usetime while the weapons itself is way slower
part
warm scarab
ah
tawny garden
(considering that it's pre-Hardmode, will there be any balancing changes with it in 1.5?)
warm scarab
ye
cobalt pewter
(considering that it's pre-Hardmode, will there be any balancing changes with it...
(who knows)
Focus is pML atm
earnest cape
perhapsâąïž
dapper coral
last time the tome was tested was in september 2020
tawny garden
m
dapper coral
and ig it needed a little bit of a buff
hot zephyr
I honestly think for Luxors, the big fix that needs to happen is that there needs to be a ceiling on fire rate, and a floor for damage.
dapper coral
but i'm not sure if it actually got it
warm scarab
never do this to rev WoF
WHAT THE-
1000 extra dps from only the luxor's gift projectiles with this setup on dummy
there's 1 extra acc slot
crude geode
dummy
hot zephyr
Don't use dummys to test
hot zephyr
On-tier bosses
earnest cape
weapons aren't meant to be tested on dummies
dapper coral
m
tawny garden
so a pre-HM combo works on ML?
is it bad that I just lurked in this channel for approx. one hour
warm scarab
so a pre-HM combo works on ML?
no
crude geode
Once again, isn't luxor's gift getting nerfed next update?
warm scarab
i'm saying
tome of fates works like eld tome
meaning it also shoots too much extra stuff when you have luxor's on
crude geode
Non-testers testing things is a recipe for shit to go south.
eternal escarp
because its a dummy
hot zephyr
No need to be so aggressive, Cursed.
dapper coral
gee i wonder why
maybe it's because the only people who know how to test things for cal are calamity testers
i've been noticing lately that you have been rather aggressive, yes
please tone it down
warm scarab
yes
earnest cape
im not sure
warm scarab
iirc
several ppl says it's getting nerfed
but i'm still not sure because there's nothing about it in #changelogs or from any dev
eternal escarp
its not yet logged but i remember something was said on luxors
tawny garden
everybody is aggressive here 
earnest cape
luxor's gift caps will be removed, however the projectiles deal like very little damage
quote from merk, so I assume yes it's getting nerfed hard
tawny garden
but i'm still not sure because there's nothing about it in <#369115362186231809>...
balancing changes almost never appear in #changelogs
earnest cape
(message link #calamity-update-talk message)
eternal escarp
Add a Guaranteed Way to Obtain the Arctic Diving Gear*
just a question, but isnt there a guarenteed way called crafting it with ingridients?
cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
well
i just find the use of the word guarenteed wierd in this, but its prolly just me
distant vault
Yeah it's sort of strangely worded
dapper coral
i mean
here's the thing right
i get what you're saying but
you can't just make everything craftable
yknow what i mean
dapper coral
if the most essential abyss-exploring accessory could be made in 5 mins then that would be kinda lame
golden narwhal
Remove rng from the rng game 
dapper coral
rng isn't too awful either, and battle potions/water candles exist in prehm
eternal escarp
thank fuck ice skates are craftable though (unless im confusing another mod agian )
tawny garden
~~thank fuck ice skates are craftable though (unless im confusing another mod ag...
I remember grinding for one of the mimic drops
and I fucking got a mimic banner before I got the drop
crude geode
There's alternate ways besides the ocean, each with a fairly decent chance (besides jellyfish necklace )
tawny garden
god that sucked
crude geode
Jellyfish Necklace is more problematic imo bc it's used in 2 recipes, and is very difficult to get overall tbh.
hot zephyr
tbf Jellyfish Necklace is super easy to get
warm scarab
2 recipes?
crude geode
Arctic and Deific.
eternal escarp
theres enough jellyfish in the world
warm scarab
tbf Jellyfish Necklace is super easy to get
zerg in ocean be like
warm scarab
Arctic and Deific.
oh right
hot zephyr
Battle pot, and water candle in the ocean
dapper coral
jellyfish makes up for it because of the sheer numbers yeah
warm scarab
that works as well
crude geode
That 1% can still be very painful.
hot zephyr
The mob itself is not rare, and you'll have both spawnrate modifiers before you go to the abyss
warm scarab
lol
tawny garden
pre-nerf Zerg
crude geode
Especially since Defiled is dying next update.
dapper coral
thing is is
for deific it doesn't really matter since you do have zerg at that point
so i don't think that's something that should be considered
golden narwhal
should the suggestor be brought into this discussion
earnest cape
yes
crude geode
if the most essential abyss-exploring accessory could be made in 5 mins then tha...
Look at the convo beforehand and most importantly this message tbh
eternal escarp
they can just read from the top for full context ig
mighty knot
h
ok
but idk I do really hate grinding for it
surely there's a better way to do it
eternal escarp
that kinda sounds like