suggestions-discussion

[eternal escarp]

it is called a "lore" for a reason

[sleek turret]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

and not everything needs to have value tbh

[sleek turret]

lore items in reallity rn on calamity are some of them insanelly busted.

[eternal escarp]

some things can be asthetic and still be great

[rigid salmon]

Aren't they getting reworked to give their effects differently? Thought I read that somewhere

[zenith hazel]

no

[eternal escarp]

some lores will be in a diffrent form

afaik

but most of them will not come back

like

[rigid salmon]

ah alright thank you

[eternal escarp]

some lore effects will (maybe?)have their own item, but it prolly wont be lores like, PBGs one for example

byeah

[ashen warren]

At least you guys are veterans but im a plain noob at suggesting

[ashen warren]

I added a desc and reason part for my new sugg so that people see whats a reason and whats not

But tell me what mistakes are in it

Because i know there are mistakes

In it

So what should be fixed?

[eternal escarp]

so, basically like

life crystals?

but for other things?

[ashen warren]

Yes

I put (not damage boosts in this case) to balance it

[eternal escarp]

so maybe instead of "abilities" you should call it "Permanent upgrades"

[ashen warren]

Ok

[eternal escarp]

since thats what life crystals, mana crystals are

[ashen warren]

Or just skill crystals?

[eternal escarp]

the are defined as permanent upgrades, thats what they are

its better to call them by their known name so the suggestion makes more sense

[ashen warren]

Ok i renamed it

[eternal escarp]

if chase sequences were added, this would make passives vital.
dunno what this is supposed to mean

chase sequences are prolly like

never gonna happen in a game like terraria

[ashen warren]

That was an example

[tawny garden]

also removal of lore effects is upcoming

[ashen warren]

Oh

But still

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah, its not a thing yet

would this classify as "upcoming features" then..?

you could prolly just remove the lore paragraph

and keep the main part of the suggestion, i think

[ashen warren]

Well at least people are understanding why i put reason: and description:

[golden narwhal]

Terraria becomes a metroidvania epic

[eternal escarp]

i mean, putting >reason: and >description: by itself isnt needed but eh it doesnt matter

[ashen warren]

It was because i wanted to seperate the description and the reason

[eternal escarp]

you could have just done a line break alone

byeah

[golden narwhal]

Also not sure how necessary the last sentence is, since y'know, they might not be added and I don't think extra life regen would be vital for them

[ashen warren]

I said for example

And i didnt mention what perms there are in the suggestion, but yknow, double jumping, dashing without a shield of cthulhu or armor, etc

[eternal escarp]

tbh idk if an example for smthn that will never happen is really helpfull, byeah

[golden narwhal]

That
And probably should add those examples that you just said

[ashen warren]

But is it an ok suggestion?

at least

[golden narwhal]

I'm biased because metroidvanias are better than terraria tbh imo iirc

[eternal escarp]

think the general idea is fine, but you should still remove the "because of the lore removal" since that will kinda imply on future content stuff? idk

[ashen warren]

I put upcoming in it

[eternal escarp]

and maybe bringing back removed content

[golden narwhal]

Tho the problem arises that gaining a double jump through these abilities and such nulifies the accessories that grant them

[ashen warren]

Its called a permanent upgrade

The point of my suggestion is to make it so your not forced to wear armor and accessories to get passives, instead you earn them

[golden narwhal]

Ok, the point still stands

[eternal escarp]

wait

you know you like

earn accesories and armor ect. too, to some extent

[ashen warren]

Ok?

[golden narwhal]

While I do like the sugg a bit, I don't think binding abilities to these upgrades would work in a game like terraria, which is focused on accessories to manage what you want
Stat boosts like movement speed, sure, but yea

[ashen warren]

But switching accessories just to use every ability? A permanent upgrade doesnt require a slot

[eternal escarp]

well

the point of finite slots is kinda balance, afaik

[fossil finch]

ye

terraria was balanced around them

[eternal escarp]

since if you had infinite slots, then youd basically just not have to manage builds correctly / have a challenge in bosses

[ashen warren]

I see your point, but players shouldnt have to equip things to gain a power

Excluding wings

And when it comes to power boosts a perm upgrade bears a weak power boost

[golden narwhal]

Terraria isn't a metroidvania

Here you have to choose what you want

[eternal escarp]

agian like was said

terraria is balanced around the fact you build your gear and abilities

if you coukd forever upgrade your, speed, for ecample without any downside

you will trivialize every boss

mostly

byeah

[golden narwhal]

also if you still want to keep up the sugg, you probably should say what passive abilities actually are in it

[sterile anchor]

laughs in 30,000 dps with Zenith

[eternal escarp]

zenith is a post game weapon, so uh

does it really count in the context zenith exists in?

[sterile anchor]

I guess not

[eternal escarp]

in modded context though, i do agree

[sterile anchor]

I mean Calamity is still in 1.3 right?

[grim tusk]

Zenith is so strong it might end in Shadowspecs tier after balance changes

[eternal escarp]

^ prolly yeah

and yeah still 1.3

tmod 1m4 will take a while

[sterile anchor]

So you cant get Zenith regardless

[eternal escarp]

zenith is just that broken

[hot zephyr]

CMT 2 is #calamity-update-talk

[eternal escarp]

wait dont you need to make a line break?

draedon is for the update mostly, and will prolly close down when it releases

[grim tusk]

nah that one is just talking about update, not regular current Calamity

[grim tusk]

tru or a week after as a spoiler channel

[eternal escarp]

it was made for the changes afaik

[heady storm]

I mean we reformed spoiler chat for your suggestion's incentive.

[eternal escarp]

so they wont flood in #calamity-mod-talk

[dire loom]

afaik?

[eternal escarp]

As Far As I Know

[dire loom]

ah

[frail mantle]

draedon update talk was initially made when JE dropped and then it's just renamed and reopened whenever a big update is upcoming/just released

[eternal escarp]

ah, better insight

[frail mantle]

when 1.5 it will likely stay open for a few weeks before once again being sent to the shadow realm until the next big update

[eternal escarp]

byeah, its mot a fully fledges caltalk then

[grim tusk]

^

[tranquil perch]

ping me for discussing my sugg

[tawny garden]

hm Storm

did you confuse #general-talk with #general-media?

[eternal escarp]

it happens more in gen talk, true

although im sure gen media also had that sometimes

[mighty knot]

@grim tusk I feel like there should be some distinction between the two, or there's now way to choose one or the other

[grim tusk]

maybe making the cooldown slots and pets be separate would prob be good ye

[grim tusk]

thats currently one of its problems, #calamity-mod-talk often has too much stuff going on and a second channel would help adress that and allow people to choose what convo they want to get in

[dapper coral]

i'm sure the mods can figure out how exactly to distinguish the two channels if caltalk 2 gets made

for now it's enough to ask for another general caltalk channel

[tawny garden]

yeah don't overspecify

[glass sentinel]

tbh debuffs shouldnt be in the 'buff slots', it gets annoying when every time scal hits you your buff slots start killing themselves

[sleek turret]

this is worse with Rampart of Deities and The Sponge.

[glass sentinel]

and summoners have it worse

[fossil finch]

just don't equip bad accesories smh

[glass sentinel]

and pets

[tranquil perch]

smh my head why cant i have lad shark summoned when fighting supreme witch

wai-

the edit made it ping you

[glass sentinel]

why was i not pinged

[tranquil perch]

[glass sentinel]

nani

[tranquil perch]

wait

hold on

[glass sentinel]

i have the outline thing, but no ping sound

pisscord please

[tranquil perch]

no wait

[tranquil perch]

but then i edited it

[glass sentinel]

wha-

discord??????

[radiant meadow]

that's what happens when you edit a message with a reply attached

[tranquil perch]

yes

thats what im trying to say

[glass sentinel]

wow, thats bullshit

[tranquil perch]

also offtopic momentum

[glass sentinel]

yup

byea buff slots are ass for endgame bosses

there was a sugg that i remember saying to increase buff slots or something

iirc

i might be going senile

[glass sentinel]

that doesnt fit lore wise

[fossil finch]

and it will be changed next update anyways

[glass sentinel]

"Oh, yeah you guys did amazing. And BTW, great job killing me!"

yea, and that

[safe oasis]

note on the probably cheated

doesn’t mean you did

[glass sentinel]

dont take it personally

[fair badger]

Hard not to.

[glass sentinel]

wha

its a game

[safe oasis]

it’s a pre generated piece of text in a video game

how is it hard to not take personally

[glass sentinel]

yeah exactly

[safe oasis]

also fighting a boss in multiplayer is arguably cheating

[crude geode]

Suggestion: Change all of SCal’s lines in multiplayer to mock the player for needing other people to beat her

[fair badger]

lol

[pine star]

:hahaech:

[fossil finch]

(it is also old and edgy because the focus of the battle back when that was writed was hard epic edgy boss fight)

[fair badger]

Imma take my suggestion down. I admit im being redicoulos

[molten quest]

Its a piece of generated text put in by fab to taunt the player at the possibility that they cheated because you killed her first try

[glass sentinel]

its fine

ik where you're coming from

byea its getting changed in 1.5

[fair badger]

Awesome

[earnest cape]

so basically "Give all projectile broadswords true melee right click"

[grim tusk]

Thats prob gonna be a pain in the ass to code due to the sheer amount of swords that exist

[dapper blaze]

this is why you use abstraction

tbf you could do it with a GlobalItem class

[grim tusk]

Wouldnt that also affect the ones that do have right click though

[dapper blaze]

that as well

[grim tusk]

Or do you just add them in a ignorethis list or somethin

Also the balancing of em might be problematic as well

[dapper blaze]

for the core idea thought it's as simple as returning false in a global shoot hook if altFunction or w/e is equal to 2

I forget the specifics

[warm scarab]

look at the title of my sugg

[earnest cape]

this is what he's talking about

one of those two messages

[grim tusk]

I was talking about using GlobalItemClass to do that in the code

[dapper blaze]

an ignore list would be a pain in the ass ngl

calamity already has so many lists it has a class dedicated to them

[warm scarab]

actually

i got the idea from gael's

[earnest cape]

......gael's right click doesn't deal damage

[warm scarab]

ik

but does the right click shoot a projectile

[earnest cape]

no

[safe oasis]

why not have the right click be projectile like the aegis

for consistency

[warm scarab]

aegis is supposed to be true melee right

[grim tusk]

Yes but no

[safe oasis]

and it has a right click projectile

its both

[dapper blaze]

@tranquil perch changing the buff slot usage literally is never happening

it's ingrained in terraria itself

raising the cap is ez af tho

[earnest cape]

hardcap™️

[dapper blaze]

not anymore

you've been able to modify it easily for a while now

[warm scarab]

lans unlimited buff slots exist

[dapper blaze]

not everyone wants to download more mods

though I also personally don't agree with suggestions like that

[warm scarab]

i'm pointing out your point

[earnest cape]

this sugg just makes every other true melee stuff useless

cause

why get true true melee weapons

when you can get ranger sword

that also has true melee

[safe oasis]

doesnt true melee already feel useless

[warm scarab]

lmao

[earnest cape]

wdym

[safe oasis]

why get true true melee weapons
when you can get ranger sword

[dapper blaze]

what's your point

[safe oasis]

this already happens

[warm scarab]

wait nvm

[earnest cape]

....no?

uh what

[warm scarab]

making a ranged sword also true melee sounds op

[grim tusk]

Tru meme either memes on bosses or gets memed on by them (Yharon)

[warm scarab]

enforcer:

[earnest cape]

I was talking about the seperation of true melee and ranger melee. Having ALL ranger swords also having true melee attack would just make true melee even more useless

[grim tusk]

Enforcer isnt tru meme yet

[warm scarab]

ye

that's y i deleted the thing

imma make another one later

[grim tusk]

Enforcer is gonna become tru meme next patch iirc

[warm scarab]

hmm

[tranquil perch]

Its an issue regardless

[dapper blaze]

why is that all you responded to

also it's irrelevant to your sugg

it was literally in support of it, technically

[tranquil perch]

I had to reply to something

Some people say lans unlimited buff slots are cheating but like

Literally they're flawed

[dapper blaze]

reply to my criticisms of your sugg then?

smh

[tranquil perch]

Actually ill edit my suggestion to add 1 more point

What was your criticism

Stevie 1 question

Is it possible to make buffs, give buff slots

[dapper blaze]

yeah

instanced slots would require funny player update stuff btw

if we wanted to allow players to have varying limits

[tranquil perch]

So that means multiplayer echness

[dapper blaze]

that's be pretty cool, actually

yes it does but it's easily possible regardless

could get a little fucky though

[tranquil perch]

I added a new point and another solution to my buff slot suggestion

[dapper blaze]

@tranquil perch can you send him here

I won't remember what was originally there

[warm scarab]

[dapper blaze]

why the response?

[tranquil perch]

Who

[dapper blaze]

them*

sorry phone bad

[tranquil perch]

PLEADING FACE TACO LMAO

[tranquil perch]

Who are "them"

[dapper blaze]

the additions to your suggestion

[tranquil perch]

It was pointing out how Overbuffing isn't a serious issue, and adding another 2 potential fixes

Those being a permanent upgrade which raises buff slots, or making the stuff that shouldn't take up buff slots, give buff slots

[dapper blaze]

ah

[marble hazel]

#suggestions-posting message bad imo because channel bloat lol

broken convos are always unavoidable for a server this large

adding channels would just make the second one dead and is not an actual solution to this problem

albeit theres no actual solution

[tawny garden]

I've actually seen servers that utilize both channels and neither of them is dead

so I wouldn't say that immedately

granted, the average person in caltalk is prolly too dumb to realize

[languid quartz]

yeah agreed philo, another channel would by no means be dead in a server with 90k+ members

[bitter drift]

is it intentional for the ruined medalion not to preform another stealth strike if you hold click the weapon?

[crude geode]

Sounds like a #bugs-read-pins

[warm scarab]

what does rm do

have stealth strike only take 50% stealth?

[earnest cape]

ye

[bitter drift]

i will try there but i can't get a good screenshot and idk how to make a video

[earnest cape]

are you using something like nycthmethyron or however you spell it

[warm scarab]

what's that

[bitter drift]

no post prov weapons

[earnest cape]

"Nychthemeron"

huh

hell's sun?

[bitter drift]

all of them

[warm scarab]

bruh

[bitter drift]

shuttered sun terragon throwing darts wave pounder

[warm scarab]

that's pre prov

[earnest cape]

i am big brain you see

[bitter drift]

prophand partisan and deific thunderbolt also part of this problem

[warm scarab]

bruh

did you have full stealth

if yes then that's intentional

[bitter drift]

yes

[warm scarab]

because you see

it only require 50% max stealth to preform a stealth strike

and

when you stealth strike at full stealth

you will be left with 50% stealth

which is enough to perform another ss

[bitter drift]

that would be fair

if it weren't for the fact that if you just click it twice it DOES make a 2nd stealth strike

and it does this with EVERY weapon i test

[crude geode]

Go to #bugs-read-pins . This is not a suggestion. It is not related to a suggestion. Go somewhere more relevant instead of arguing.

[safe oasis]

biome blade is fine

it doesnt do "broken" levels of damage, pretty balanced, really

[tawny garden]

sadly, testers can't test this stuff right now

[swift wharf]

Pretty sure weapons from other classes do petty much the same

[sleek turret]

Hmm.

Needs testing compared to other options that you can get at that point.

[swift wharf]

Yewh

[molten quest]

If you're doing a death-mode playthrough you can't exactly get it until after Eater of worlds or Brain of cthulhu since you can't use the reaver shark until those two bosses are dead, and thats where the Biome Blade is intended to be use at.

[cobalt pewter]

Are you talking about ebonstone / crimstone?

They're bombable even preboss

[pine star]

No

Hellstone

[cobalt pewter]

Ahhhhh

[warm scarab]

yes

[warm scarab]

reavershark

[sleek turret]

yeah but Reaver Shark is broken and uhh, guess what getting pre-boss Hellstone weapons is not intended to balance.

and it doesn't balance.

[warm scarab]

yes

but

there's still a way to get a bit of hellstone

[eternal escarp]

thats cheesing

[warm scarab]

the underworld lab have some bars

[eternal escarp]

and its not really acounted for

[warm scarab]

biome blade require ore not bars

[eternal escarp]

if it rewuired bars it litterly mattered nothing

you just find a forge down there and craft bars

[warm scarab]

ye

but

you can't get hellstone ores pre boss

assuming you don't fish

[eternal escarp]

you cant get hellstone ore pre boss

assuming you dont fish

[warm scarab]

but bars in lab

is bruh

[eternal escarp]

its still not intended to be gotten that early

[warm scarab]

should i sugg making the bars a unique block that isn't minable without a pickaxe that can mine hellstone ore

[eternal escarp]

ah yes you edited your message to make mines irrelevant
funny

[warm scarab]

what

[eternal escarp]

this, byeah

[warm scarab]

[eternal escarp]

anyway, the fact its achieved pre boss shoukdnt be accounted for at all

even if its possible

because by that logic

nerf murasama and halibut

[sleek turret]

anyways, pre-boss hellstone is cheesing and causes to the intended balance of that progression to die without acounting Halibut Cannon and Murasama.

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[sleek turret]

and technically these both weapons are pre-boss they are either hard and rng dependant to get and require specific steps to get too.

[tawny garden]

🧀, in fact, should be accounted for

[jovial spire]

If people wanna progression skip to get powerful stuff before they normally should

Let em

It's part of the reason you can fight almost any boss at any time

[tawny garden]

well, that's non-linearity, true

[warm scarab]

ignore halibut

because how do you survive abyss with pre boss gear

[sleek turret]

You don't.

[warm scarab]

[safe oasis]

arctic diving, gills

[warm scarab]

the mobs are what kills you

[sleek turret]

yeah that.

[safe oasis]

anehoic coating

[sleek turret]

But still, if you are mr. Dream Luck you can get it.

[warm scarab]

how do you get halicannon without killing

[sleek turret]

Coating reduces Abyss' aggro and enemies can be killed if you use high damage or straight up insanelly good weapons.

And if you ask: "what weapons?" — grenades exist.

[earnest cape]

Wtf strong and debuffs in the same sentence

[tawny garden]

can't be terraria

[earnest cape]

[ashen warren]

hey so this isn't a suggestion really but is there gonna be another legendary summon weapon added eventually?

[tawny garden]

maybe

[earnest cape]

Perhaps

™️

[tawny garden]

(you can't suggest legendaries anyway per sugg rules)

[ashen warren]

oh lol

idk it just felt like cold divinity is only used for like 5 minutes before another better weapon is obtained

it's a cool weapon tho

[grim tusk]

Cold Divinity (forgot this thing uses the same acronym as the role) needs a buff (and scanners a nerf) ye, but rn they are focused on post-ML

[tawny garden]

Cool Dude

[ashen warren]

hell yes

[earnest cape]

Ehhh scanners are just Good

They dont need a nerf

[ashen warren]

they are really good for calamitas imo

that's pretty much it

[earnest cape]

Its not your opinion

It is good for calamitas

[ashen warren]

oh lmfao

isn't untouchable the nohit role

[tawny garden]

#info

yes

[grim tusk]

The other post 1 hm boss weapons need a buff then

[grim tusk]

One of em

[earnest cape]

Igneous?

Cause even with destroyer is absolute dog shit

And don't forget that its needs mana!(mhage weapon go br)

[grim tusk]

Same could be said for brimseekers and optic (even after the massive buffs)

And Cold divinity

And igneous needs some of its former glory back lmao

Or maybe at least making the blades return to you after some seconds of being thrown

[earnest cape]

Optic is hillariously bad lul

[frail mantle]

funny i-frames

[earnest cape]

CD is alright ig but a buff would be pretty nice

Nah the iframe issues with them are gone from what uve seen

(Thanks clam)

[tawny garden]

(bluecheck)

[earnest cape]

👀

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message was denied

wait

where did the sad emote go

renamed

[grim tusk]

[safe oasis]

tbf the reasoning for that one was kinda wack

[frail mantle]

probably to not cause confusion with yeah

[cyan lagoon]

having two emotes with the same name is weird

[earnest cape]

Well its sure as hell cknvenient

Imo

[tawny garden]

they could be differentiated

one is with capital letters and the other one isn't

but anyway

[eternal escarp]

could be just :sobb: since it looks like 😭 more imo, byeah

[frail mantle]

eh

[earnest cape]

Eh

[frail mantle]

i feel like SAD is more in line with the jokey feel of the emote than sobb would be

[eternal escarp]

fair

[pine star]

yeah

[knotty moat]

emogi suggs are

[hollow shell]

@safe oasis Upcoming changelog

[tawny garden]

fuck

aarghh

[radiant meadow]

Nice title

[dapper coral]

wot

[distant vault]

lol

[dapper coral]

oh lmao

[tawny garden]

mentions aren't parsed in embed titles

[radiant meadow]

forget #calamity-mod-talk when we got [#calamity-mod-talk](/guild/225030931008847874/channel/225030931008847874/)

[tawny garden]

[heady storm]

Oh that is not good.

[tawny garden]

fuck, I knew that fact

[hot zephyr]

Time to post memes in <##22503093108847874>!

[tawny garden]

@grim tusk do you wish to repost your sugg

mentions aren't parsed in embed titles

[grim tusk]

Wdym

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message

[grim tusk]

A bug on pc?

[tawny garden]

no

[dapper coral]

that's just how it shows up

[tawny garden]

it's not even a bug, it's in the documentation

[grim tusk]

It looks fine to me

[tawny garden]

hm

on my mobile, it's unparsed

[frail mantle]

on pc

[grim tusk]

Bruh

[tawny garden]

in any case, it looks weird on PC and some phones, which might cause you to lose stars

[frail mantle]

thanks discord, very cool

[hollow shell]

uhh yeah prolly should repost it

[grim tusk]

Imma repost on pc and remove the # in the title

yea on pc is unparsed for some reason

[tawny garden]

(you can, in fact, do #calamity-mod-talk)

(place the \ before one of the dashes)

[dapper coral]

that works

@rare sapphire no

that's a don't

[tawny garden]

uh

[rare sapphire]

Y not

[glass sentinel]

damnit beat me

[dapper coral]

there will never ever be a meme channel

because it was cancerous to moderate

[glass sentinel]

wasnt there 1 at 1 stage?

[dapper coral]

yes

[grim tusk]

also would the sugg be posted into #suggestions-voting and the other one deleted or we wait another day?

[tawny garden]

@hot zephyr post the funny meme channel emote

[dapper coral]

it has been done before, and it will never happen again

[glass sentinel]

oh demik's back to mod

[hollow shell]

I'll approve it

[rare sapphire]

[glass sentinel]

[hollow shell]

It's the same sugg, s'just for technical purposes

[tawny garden]

he was about storm's sugg

[glass sentinel]

ik

but without knowing

[rare sapphire]

Lame

[tawny garden]

"I know, but I don't know"

[glass sentinel]

shut

i realised after

[tawny garden]

[grim tusk]

check #suggestions-posting message

[tawny garden]

new emote

[hollow shell]

That'd be a good emote

[dapper coral]

:angy_rover:

[tawny garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/795397018062422029.png?v=1

:FUCK_MOBILE:

[robust lava]

I should suggest :check_the_pinned_bugs_document:

[eternal escarp]

make pinned enote for every channel

[tawny garden]

offtopic

[grim tusk]

:NO_MEMES:

[tawny garden]

:bugs_document:, which basically is the document, but just in emote form

[rare sapphire]

I’m waiting for my cooldown to send, but I’m about to make a suggestion based around expanding more on spears. Just curious, what’s your opinions on spears?

[fossil finch]

so the entire document compressed on 256x256?
Fear

[tawny garden]

thing is with melee weapons

there are too many

[rare sapphire]

Not enough spear imo

[pine star]

Maybe turn most of the swords to spears?

[fossil finch]

how many swords can we turn into rapiers?
stay with us to see!

[tawny garden]

[rare sapphire]

There is 1 main spear recipe and it’s nadir, which ended up being a huge let down

[pine star]

[eternal escarp]

alot of swords are getting changes iirc

[hollow shell]

This is kinda a not great suggestion reason

[tawny garden]

yeah

[hollow shell]

Were you testing their DPS while using melee equipment?

[eternal escarp]

also, stream gouge

[rare sapphire]

No, just using the weapons myself with no other buffs

[grim tusk]

bruh nadir is good and stream gouge is fucking overpowered

[rare sapphire]

Just the general dps

[hollow shell]

Then obviously you're not getting better DPS than the dude with a melee build

[rare sapphire]

No I mean comparing weapons of the same progression

I’m not talking about comparing with him

I forgot what weapon he’s using, but they both became obtainable at the same time

[hollow shell]

You really should try testing them with a melee build, or ask your friend to test em

As that gear would be what you are intended to have whilst using those weapons

Could benefit from some stuff like melee speed (or additional projs from set bonuses) that end up making them equal or better than other weapon types

[dapper coral]

alsoooo there's no point in asking for balancing bc post-ml balancing is still going

[grim tusk]

^

[hollow shell]

mm, a bit of an inconvenient time
It can still exist as a suggestion I guess

The Don'ts doc does say it'd be better to ask a tester to do the weapon tests, as that's quicker than waiting for the whole sugg process

but testers are, at the moment, pre-occupied

[eternal escarp]

cant normal people result still somewhat count?

[hollow shell]

Normal people can indeed try to do it like testers do it

but there will always be doubt that it's not quite the same process and will therefore skew the results

[eternal escarp]

yeah, fair

[dapper coral]

this also applies to the biome blade sugg btw

[tawny garden]

@silk garnet that's a don't

[eternal escarp]

biome blade sugg aswell is kinda eh imo anyways

[dapper coral]

(which, last it was tested in nov, actually needed a slight buff)

[hollow shell]

Is it a Don't, Philo?

[tawny garden]

Shadowspec stuff is off-limits

[eternal escarp]

atleast from what i know, biome blade is fine enough

[hollow shell]

He didn't ask for Shadowspec

[cobalt pewter]

Also honestly I'm fine with more spears, in fact, I would like to see some more broadswords be retooled into spears

[hollow shell]

Okay well he did say "endgame"

[cobalt pewter]

And yes Philo

That isn't a don't

Just an "example"

Mans generally asking for endgame

[hollow shell]

Yeah the 'example' is what I have the most qualm with

[silk garnet]

ah alright

[cobalt pewter]

The example can be ceased

[hollow shell]

I don't really know what you're askin with the example

[cobalt pewter]

Otherwise it fine

[hollow shell]

The sugg could be edited to become fine

[silk garnet]

it was just an example im not saying it has to be executed in that way

[eternal escarp]

removing the word "endgame" and prolly just renaming it into post ml entirely tbh, its lacking as a whole imo

[hollow shell]

Prolly wanna get rid of it cuz uh

[cobalt pewter]

I MEAN

[hollow shell]

from the sounds of it you want an upgrade to Auric Armor?

[cobalt pewter]

It'd still work

[hollow shell]

Using Calamitous Essence?

[tawny garden]

hm

[cobalt pewter]

Tell me how many single class armors in post ML are

[eternal escarp]

like

uh

the patreon one

and uh

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[dapper coral]

(just gonna mark the spear one and the biome blade one as exclam'd, ill ping the BB sugger in a sec)

[silk garnet]

i dont really care if its an upgrade of auric tesla, in fact it could be an armorset that is just as good as the auric tesla armor set, im just saying it'd be cool to see class specific endgame armor

[cobalt pewter]

Prismatic is the only single class armor post ML

And it's a patreon armor

[hollow shell]

Empyrean for Rogue
Prismatic for Mage
(Omega Blue classless)
(Fearmonger summoner-leaning classless)
(Demonshade classless)

[eternal escarp]

i guess you can count lunar armor

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Well technically Empyrean counts kinda

[hollow shell]

Yeah meat liquid that's fine

Just edit the example outta the suggestion then

[silk garnet]

aight

[eternal escarp]

every lunar armor counts since its post ml, byeah post ml lacks class armors imo, atleast the godslayer / silva change helps with that a bit

[tawny garden]

(an ye, I was kinda harsh)

[hollow shell]

And you may wanna change "endgame" to "post-ML" or "late post-ML"
Because "endgame" has the connotation of being Post-SCal, and that's a touchy area for suggestions to delve into

[tawny garden]

(though I thought the entirety of post-SCal was walled off to devs)

[eternal escarp]

demonshade armor is just an scal thing afaik

[cobalt pewter]

Gah

[hollow shell]

Yeah I'm hype for the God Slayer and Silva change

[eternal escarp]

so not exactly..?

[cobalt pewter]

Hopefully the lack of single class armors can be mitigated in 1.5 or smth

[tawny garden]

Demonshade is dedicated

[silk garnet]

I think having more post ml class specific armor would be cool but at the same time you'd have to get multiple armor sets for each stage of progression then because you're gonna be using auric tesla for pre s cal anyway

[tawny garden]

to Shadow

[cobalt pewter]

Demonshade is

Confusing

[tawny garden]

yea

[eternal escarp]

yeah but demonshades dedicatee is

[cobalt pewter]

In any case, heard it could be downgraded to scal armor

[eternal escarp]

yeah its confusing and shit

[tawny garden]

ded

[hollow shell]

The situation will be changed dramatically in the next update anyhow

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

yeah, a bit more specific armors

[hollow shell]

Nah, I'm talkin about SCal's role

[eternal escarp]

ah

[hollow shell]

and the presentation of that tier

[eternal escarp]

lol

[hollow shell]

SCal will no longer lead straight into the developer weapons

[eternal escarp]

yeah, which is an interesting change tbf

[dapper coral]

i'm marking your sugg as invalid for the following reasons @ashen warren
a) pre-ML testing is not being considered right now at all, because post-ML retiering/balancing is taking much mroe precedence atm
b) last time the BB was tested for 1.5, in november, it actually needed a slight buff, so your results are outdated because they're on a public version as opposed to the test version

[hollow shell]

(reason A is kinda not a great reason)

(but reason B is fine)

[dapper coral]

ye

i'm more concerned with B

[hollow shell]

(cuz with reason A that means the entire game is off limits)

[dapper coral]

i mean... it kinda is, in terms of sugging

at the very least it will not be looked at for at least a month or two

[hollow shell]

Also yes Feedzuh I agree thank you

Its current set bonus is a remnant from when it was multi-class

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

They just moved all the different class projectiles
to come from the same class

[tawny garden]

tf is Empyrean armor again?

[cobalt pewter]

Ah

[hollow shell]

Meld.

[cobalt pewter]

!wiki Empyrean armor

[tawny garden]

ah

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Empyrean_armor

[cobalt pewter]

Memer

In any case eah

[hollow shell]

(previously "Xeroc armor")

[tawny garden]

I need the names from one year ago

[hollow shell]

(renamed for obvious lore reasons)

[tawny garden]

I'll go sleep before I get called a boomer

[hollow shell]

oki

[cobalt pewter]

Solar has dash, Vortex has stealth, nebula has broken ass shit boosters, stardust has Star Platinum guardian

[hollow shell]

mhm

[eternal escarp]

boomer
cant remember empyrean set bonus even tbf

[hollow shell]

They all have very unique gimmicks

[tawny garden]

nebula has broken ass shit

[cobalt pewter]

All of these are miles more unique than current Empyrean yes

[hollow shell]

Empyrean just spews out extra projectiles

[eternal escarp]

oh

[hollow shell]

A lot of them are rehashes from previous armor sets like Chaotic/Hydrothermic

[eternal escarp]

yeah it needs a gimmick like the rest of lunars, i agree lol

[hollow shell]

(which you could add to your sugg Feed)

[cobalt pewter]

Empyrean set bonuses:

• literally additional projectiles
• wrath and rage buffs on player hit

[hollow shell]

(that you have seen the same projectile types in set bonuses previously in the game)

[cobalt pewter]

Ight

[hollow shell]

Do they line up exactly, actually?
I will go check

[dapper coral]

nebula has broken ass shit boosters
don't quote me on this but i'm pretty sure those are dying too

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah

[tawny garden]

they are

[dapper coral]

good.

[cobalt pewter]

I didn't note it in the sugg because of that

[tawny garden]

there's even a changelog

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah, it's still quite good

Also a relatively unique way to utilize the set bonus, unlike Empyrean

[dapper coral]

oh it already happened? pog

[cobalt pewter]

399 - Nebula Armor no longer cancels out negative regen. - Done

:terror:

[tawny garden]

#changelogs message

[hollow shell]

Aight I can't confirm for most of the Emp projectiles, yet
cuz the Hydrothermic page isn't very descriptive

but it does share the Homing/Healing dual orb thing that Hydro has, kinda acting like a simultaneous Spectre Hood & Mask

[grim tusk]

#calamity-update-talk message

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

Empyrean and Hydro also share a gravity-affected spark that lingers on the ground

And the rest are just homing projectiles

Only thing Emp has that's different from Hydro is an explosion
but yknow

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Reaver melee has on-hit explosions

[dapper coral]

not for long

[hollow shell]

indeed

But yeah in conclusion

Empyrean's set bonus does a disservice to the armor

It should have gotten reworked with the resprite

Does Tome of Fates still shoot purple and red "brimstone" tentacles?

[pine star]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[hollow shell]

Fuck.

[cobalt pewter]

I had another sugg somewhat related to that

[hollow shell]

That's the only mention of it I could find

in suggs

[golden narwhal]

any 4 lurkers here who want to do a service to society

[weak field]

What

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

[fossil finch]

if i didn't already uh

[glass sentinel]

i did it

any 3 lurkers here who want to do a service to society

[rich hawk]

i come back from the grave to fulfill my duty

[crude geode]

Sugg advertising cringe

[hot zephyr]

No, sincerely a lurker.

[heady storm]

Do and so be delivered.

[crude geode]

@obsidian topaz reasoning?

[obsidian topaz]

Kinda of funny when you use the potion and cant see

Cuz its pitch black

[zenith hazel]

it should have a better title and reasoning

@obsidian topaz

[cobalt pewter]

Also brav can you deliver the tentacle sugg 🥺

I swear I didn't advertise to get 4 more votes

[glass sentinel]

asianman did as well

[obsidian topaz]

The PoOmni allows the user to see enemy's, projectiles, and trap blocks. But when it comes to the actual environment around you, it does nothing.

[zenith hazel]

it is delivered

[glass sentinel]

[cobalt pewter]

I mean you're getting what's sold

And thankies brav

[glass sentinel]

just use a shine and night owl

its not too hard to press the b button

[cobalt pewter]

Omniscience materials all have the same trait: they highlight something, not bright them up

[glass sentinel]

^

and the def of omniscience is being able to know everything

not seeing everything

[obsidian topaz]

It would make sense for a potion called "Potion of Omniscience" to allow the user to also identify the surrounding areas.

[crude geode]

Meh. Just have torches.

[obsidian topaz]

How can you know something if you cant sense it?

[glass sentinel]

Potion of Omnipotence when?

[obsidian topaz]

Ntm 1.3.5 potions of shine and night owl only last like 3 - 4 minutes

[glass sentinel]

then press b twice

[crude geode]

If you’re going to say “just press b twice” to justify not putting potion of night vision/shine in, then why would we even have potion of omniscience.

You could just press b twice there as well.

[glass sentinel]

[cobalt pewter]

Imo night owl / shine don't fit as much as the other 3 for Omniscience

[golden narwhal]

Either way, if you want the sugg to be valid, insert that reasoning into the sugg itself, as well as making the title more clear (Add the potions to potion of omniscience)

[glass sentinel]

yah you need a reason and stuff

[cobalt pewter]

None of Omni mats actually give light in any sense, they just give the highlighted stuff different color or smth

Now if we're to make a new light based potion combination

I wouldn't mind

[crude geode]

imo, they do. They give you information regarding the environment, and help you see more. Light also helps you see more, so it makes sense to me.

[obsidian topaz]

There i changed it

[golden narwhal]

That's definitely better

[obsidian topaz]

First time making a suggestion.

[cobalt pewter]

In that sense it's valid yeah, I was just talking more on the technical side of things

[sleek turret]

Hmm, about the Biome Blade nerf sugg;
The weapon is fine, compared to another weapons at that point is good.

Did uhh, 2 minutes Hive Mind.

On Deathmode.

[fossil finch]

it was already discussed and is not valid for delivering anyways

[sleek turret]

[warm scarab]

[glass sentinel]

[safe oasis]

referring to the reader in a suggestion is kinda

[heady storm]

Do bombs not already solve this.

[safe oasis]

how does that feel? i bet some of us here have experienced such
this part specifically

[safe oasis]

only in 1.4

[heady storm]

Ah.

[earnest cape]

I wouldn't call this change "necessary"

and feels a bit ranty

[heady storm]

Worldgen change.

[earnest cape]

[heady storm]

The funny.

[tawny garden]

I wouldn't call it "unwanted" either

[earnest cape]

indeed

[warm scarab]

lmao

[crude geode]

@warm scarab I would remove the “how does that feel? I bet some ppl have experienced some of this “ as it’s unnecessary to the suggestion and seems a bit rage fueled.

[safe oasis]

i said that like 2 seconds ago

[crude geode]

You also didn’t ping him.

[warm scarab]

ok

[proper grail]

@warm scarab your spelling, grammar, and emote use is very

Please consider rewording significantly, as you currently repeat yourself multiple times

That suggestion could be done in a single short sentence or two

[crude geode]

Indeed.

Emote usage in suggestion should be a don’t

[earnest cape]

^

[muted osprey]

psychic just bring multiple gill potions

[warm scarab]

ok

[tranquil perch]

@safe oasis I know this doesn't solve the issue but iirc there's mod that makes gills last longer and combine it with Alchemist charm tier 4

[warm scarab]

my english is bad lmao

[muted osprey]

or just bring multiple gills potions

[safe oasis]

that doesnt really solve the issue

i brought it up in the sugg

[crude geode]

Gills potions is being sold in the next update by Amidias so like.

that kinda gives you infinite gills post DS

[safe oasis]

again, just bringing more gills pots doesnt solve the issue at all

[muted osprey]

or just use luiafk

[safe oasis]

you still have to re buff like 4 times to get the same usage as you for the other potions once

[muted osprey]

there's like multiple QoL mods which give unlimited buffs

[dapper blaze]

oh no the buff slots sugg made it into voting

[warm scarab]

fear indeed

[proper grail]

What tier do desert fossils need to mine again?

[warm scarab]

EoW

[safe oasis]

nightmare+

[warm scarab]

unless you fish

[dapper blaze]

I can't think of a good solution to buff slots that wouldn't fuck with other mods regardless

not sure how adjusting the limit would interact with other mods that do so

[proper grail]

That's patched in 1.4 though

[dapper blaze]

there's also the matter of, if buff slot caps become essentially instanced, then issues with syncing and buff applications will emerge quickly

very scary

[dapper blaze]

not really, in 1.4 they can be mined with copper

so it's kind of the opposite

they just made it even easier to get

[earnest cape]

they retiered fossil essentially

[warm scarab]

ye

no more throwing

[proper grail]

Make the Desert Shrine unable to generate inside Desert Fossil clusters.

Luxor's Gift is meant to be a pre-boss item. Desert Fossils require an evil ore pickaxe to mine, effectively locking Luxor's Gift behind the BoC or EoW when it could have been much more useful beforehand. Simply changing the spawning mechanics to prevent the Desert Shrine from being buried inside or in very close proximity to Desert Fossil clusters would solve this issue completely.

@warm scarab

[warm scarab]

ok

[crude geode]

Ty Solstice for making sugg not cringe

[earnest cape]

:lestf

[muted osprey]

poggers

[proper grail]

I have my own emote for this

[earnest cape]

grammarnazi indeed

[dapper blaze]

nazi party (the second coming)

[safe oasis]

[muted osprey]

solstice neonazi confirmed

[languid quartz]

[dapper blaze]

easier solution: just make it so the chests can't be opened until post-scal therefore making whatever blocks they spawn in absolutely meaningless

[proper grail]

@warm scarab fix the title as well

[proper grail]

Terminus

[eternal escarp]

just delete the item smh

[proper grail]

Delete the item and repurpose it into an NPC spawned event

[earnest cape]

please no

[proper grail]

Like Skelly but with a delay

By NPC I mean TOWN NPC to be clear

Not "The Empress' Second Coming"

[earnest cape]

sweatingfailure

[safe oasis]

technically first

not 1.4 yet

[crude geode]

I wouldn’t really say gills is a necessity. Extremely helpful? Yes. Necessary? No.

[proper grail]

Tbh I've never once used Gills for the abyss

[muted osprey]

just use artic diving gear + that desert scourge drop

[eternal escarp]

people use gills for the abyss?

[safe oasis]

gills adds like an entire minute

maybe more if it lasted more than a fucking minute

[proper grail]

Literally just use the Ocean Crest

[safe oasis]

they stack tho

normal people use both

and gills doesn’t take acc slot

[proper grail]

But Gills is also redundant since the Crest also makes creatures friendlier

[crude geode]

Not really.

[safe oasis]

the friendly creature thing doesn’t do shit in abyss

iirc

[whole sedge]

I mean it's not really redundant by the fact that they stack, making creatures friendlier also means pretty much nothing from what i've seen

[proper grail]

*Pointing out that it's not just accessory slot Gills

Also

[crude geode]

It’s still not a necessity. Most mobility accs don’t matter in the abyss, at least for the first or second trip, so you can replace with shit like Ocean Creat, Arctic Gear, and Siren’s Heart.

[proper grail]

This is basically my loadout for every playthrough and always has been

Gills is pretty useless at that point

[earnest cape]

don't forget victide

[crude geode]

and victide

[safe oasis]

victide doesn’t enhance breath

[proper grail]

I use a full water mobility build including the shields and Victide

[crude geode]

Does enhance mobility which is stupid useful when you move like a slug

[earnest cape]

it makes you move faster in water so very helpful in the abyss

[safe oasis]

wait what’s even the point of this argument what are we trying to prove

all of these stack

[proper grail]

Gills doesn't really need a buff

[crude geode]

Gills isn’t anywhere close to necessary

[whole sedge]

i mean yeah kinda just gills doesn't need a buff and it's far from needed because of other cool accessories

[crude geode]

It can use one so it’s less annoying and not a stupid 2 minute buff, but it’s not necessary for ocean exploration.

[proper grail]

Gills is perfectly fine as is IN REGARDS TO THE ABYSS

[safe oasis]

calling it a necessity is still good clickbait for stars B)

[earnest cape]

that's just disgusting

[crude geode]

[proper grail]

Gills is a stupid annoying vanilla buff though

[safe oasis]

(that was a joke i’m editing it rn)

[proper grail]

There's literally no reason for it to be so short

[earnest cape]

hey at least it's buffed in 1.4 :))))))

[golden narwhal]

Probably that way because there's not much water to explore

[crude geode]

In vanilla yeah

[safe oasis]

ok reworded it

[crude geode]

Wonderful

[proper grail]

That's fair

"shine last"

Fix that

Otherwise the sugg looks good

[safe oasis]

its plural

hunter, spelunk, and shine

so no s

[proper grail]

the LAST is the part that needs removal

It's just there

[safe oasis]

then it would be “the 5+ minutes that hunter, spelunk, and shine.”

which is an incomplete fragment

[proper grail]

Actually no

Since you have the conjunction Compared

"compared to the 5+ minutes other potions that you use, such as spelunker, hunter, and shine last"

Trust me and just remove the word "last"

[safe oasis]

alr

[crude geode]

“It’s jarring compared to the other 5+ minutes potions you use, such as spelunker hunter and shine.” is correct.

[proper grail]

That's an alternate reading and completely correct

[safe oasis]

shows why i never get 100s on my essays

[dapper blaze]

true

[warm scarab]

bruh a misclick made me hav to wait 10 mins

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

you couldve edited it

[crude geode]

This is why you write suggs somewhere else first

[warm scarab]

bruh

[frail mantle]

average sending suggestion too early fan vs standard writing suggestion in notes first enjoyer

[crude geode]

[earnest cape]

[warm scarab]

~~why isn't anyone commenting on my sugg ~~

[eternal escarp]

doesnt patreon suggestions need the patreon permission or smthn?

[warm scarab]

rly

[tawny garden]

Yes

[warm scarab]

bruh

[eternal escarp]

also maybe because you just posted it and people have lives

[earnest cape]

what are lives

[warm scarab]

^

[eternal escarp]

the heart containers in the top right of your vision

[safe oasis]

the number of deaths you have in mario before restarting

[tawny garden]

Javiz

Dunno who tf is that

[eternal escarp]

dunno whats their tag so uh

[warm scarab]

how do i contact the patreon bruh

[eternal escarp]

maybe a dev can help ping them

idk

[tawny garden]

@radiant meadow

You had a list

[warm scarab]

do they even have discord

[crude geode]

Calm down.

[frail mantle]

Javyz#5237

[warm scarab]

hmm

[eternal escarp]

i assume they do, and if they dont, devs can still contact them

[languid quartz]

he's asleep

[warm scarab]

[tawny garden]

Sleep

[crude geode]

Spamming emotes doesn’t help anyone.

[tawny garden]

[warm scarab]

i'm not spamming

[languid quartz]

wait why are we pinging ben again

[safe oasis]

anyway its Javyz#5237

[warm scarab]

lmao

[crude geode]

Patreon dono sugg.

[safe oasis]

according to dab

[dapper coral]

i'll handle it, one sec

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

Ty Demik

[tawny garden]

Ye ty

[dapper coral]

@fossil torrent there you are

latest sugg, is that okay?

#suggestions-posting message

[tawny garden]

Offline as well

I'd exclamate

[dapper coral]

i'll mark it as exclam until they get back

[tawny garden]

Until they respond

[warm scarab]

^

[tawny garden]

[warm scarab]

[earnest cape]

time to reload

[eternal escarp]

just wait for him smh

[frail mantle]

thanks discord

[tawny garden]

Pisscord, Inc.

[warm scarab]

[earnest cape]

ye it's offline now

[dapper coral]

and yes in future if you have a sugg that concerns a patreon/dev item then you can ask a mod for their tag, we have a bigass list pinned in da corner

[warm scarab]

ok

[safe oasis]

literally just wait and be patient it doesnt matter if theyre online or not if they havent read it

[warm scarab]

i'd post another sugg ig

[safe oasis]

you're already at 2

[tawny garden]

No

[warm scarab]

wait i have 2 alreayd

[safe oasis]

wait until one goes into voting

[eternal escarp]

monitoring his activity is just a stalker maneavuer so

[warm scarab]

nvm

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

[frail mantle]

hamburger you're lowkey becoming another Feedza except somehow worse

[warm scarab]

lmao

[eternal escarp]

[dapper coral]

rood

[safe oasis]

lmao

[eternal escarp]

feedzuh of exclamations

[earnest cape]

it's feedza but not trying

[warm scarab]

~~i have trash english don't judge ~~

[tawny garden]

Providab

He'll improve

[warm scarab]

can i post suggs here first

[safe oasis]

yes

that is what you're supposed to do

[warm scarab]

[safe oasis]

but nobody does it