No exceptions, apologies.
#suggestions-discussion
crude geode
hot zephyr
I will remember that.
sharp prism
Damn 
bitter drift
I will remember that.
everyone will
hearty yew
I destroyed Mad Alchemist's Cocktail Glove
You no longer need to worry about it and tarragon leaves together
cobalt pewter
GOOD
crude geode
Quality, ty ozz
hearty yew
Fun facts
Red flasks had an explosion 480 pixels wide that did triple damage and ignored iframes
tawny garden
Cock has been circumcised
pine star
cobalt pewter
Cock
hot zephyr
Epic!
hearty yew
Blue flasks exploded into 20-30 clouds which could all hit simultaneously
Green and purple flasks were actually balanced
hearty yew
The right click inflicted god slayer inferno as well as cursed inferno (and a bunch of irrelevant debuffs) and exploded in a 120 pixel radius for double damage, but had a 1.15x damage multiplier which multiplied with all your damage boosts and that 2x multiplier
Yeah all I did was reduce red's explosion to 120 pixels and half damage
crude geode
God that’s stupid
hearty yew
and blue spawns 9 clouds which cannot hit simultaneously
crude geode
Thank you patreon weapons very cool
hearty yew
but cloud damage was increased to compensate
turns out doing that was good enough, I didn't have to change the base damage at all!
cobalt pewter
Patreon weapons are amazing indeed
radiant meadow
I wouldn't blame the patron tbh. It's a pretty good weapon design and balance like that wasn't really decided by the patron
hearty yew
^ the patron didn't program it
crude geode
True
hearty yew
it just had some problematic code
cobalt pewter
It's just funni how those bits sometimes fled over the dev's sights
crude geode
Indeed
cobalt pewter
And cock is probably the more severe cases
pine star
yeah
hearty yew
I removed the 1.15x multiplier on right click, replaced GSI with Nightwither, and reduced right click explosion from 2x to 1/2 damage to match red flask
That's... it
Didn't take much to fix it lol
crude geode
Outside of Kelvin, I can’t really recall a patreon weapon being that stupidly good outside of like...maybe one update
hearty yew
I thought it was gonna be way worse
radiant meadow
butterflies
tawny garden
~~Outside of Kelvin, I can’t really recall a patreon weapon being that stupidly ...
Dark Spark
at least that's when I played
radiant meadow
PSA was also extremely broken on release
hot zephyr
butterflies are just ok
grim tusk
Oracle hasnt died for some reason after acid rain, and also wand since projectile resprite
KILL IT
The dps is just stupid
grim tusk
butterflies are just ok
Those need a nerf, the post-Golem meta revolves around them
hot zephyr
Because tbh there's not a lot of summoner choices in that area
grim tusk
Because tbh there's not a lot of summoner choices in that area
Xeno, Tempest, Fuel cell, infected remote
crude geode
Does it do excessively over the expected kill time?
grim tusk
Does it do excessively over the expected kill time?
On some bosses
Like fuckron and cultist
And rav
crude geode
Cultist 
hot zephyr
Xeno staff
grim tusk
Also it also has an exploit thats broken as shit
hot zephyr
Tempest is also meme
pine star
Infected Remote
hot zephyr
Fuel Cell Bundle is also kinda a meme
sleek turret
tempest is a meme
grim tusk
Butterflies also get a pretty good kill time on ML
pine star
Thomas doesn’t even like it rn
yeah
He hates it
marble hazel
butterflies are just ok
the only reasonw hy butterfly excelled over every other summon during hm - post ml is because it can hit things afaik
crude geode
This isn’t post ml philo 
hot zephyr
If there was a Calamity summon on that tier that could consistently hit enemies, it'd be used over Butterflies
tawny garden
and none of this is sugg-related
marble hazel
ye ian
because butterflies could hit things properly it was used over every other summon on that tier and even on ml
its funny
what ai does to a summoner
tawny garden
This isn’t post ml philo <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
I'm not necessarily talking about the next update
and I doubt that only post-ML and nothing else would be touched
pine star
and I doubt that ***only post-ML and nothing else*** would be touched
iirc pre-ML stuff like Terratomere would also be touched
tawny garden
lolem
grim tusk
iirc pre-ML stuff like Terratomere would also be touched
They touched all pillar tier and above weps
tawny garden
well yes
grim tusk
So that pillar tier didnt overrun post-ml stuff after that got nerfed
tawny garden
but we're talking about HM
crude geode
and this is specifically a post-golem weapon. Making it unlikely to be touched lmao
Unless prompted.
Summoner just needs minions with AI that can hit post golem. Tempest Staff barely fuckin hits, Xeno has kinda eh range iirc, and Remote is a meme.
grim tusk
Yea if cells and helix got nerfed (which they’ll likely will due to them being good until Polter, just trash on provi and weaver), butterflies are gonna be so busted
marble hazel
Summoner just needs minions with AI that can hit post golem. Tempest Staff barel...
true
crude geode
You also gotta keep in mind.
Summoner is also getting completely rebalanced due to stacking dying.
marble hazel
maybe if they made summons who charge to attack hit faster
grim tusk
And make projectile summons be less dumb
molten quest
And even when they're hitting something they prioritize something else other than the thing that's trying to kill you unless you do the right-click thingy-
crude geode
~~go to #calamity-mod-talk ~~
hot zephyr
ye
zenith hazel
bot's down, notified amber
languid quartz
rip
zenith hazel
it's back up
earnest cape
Pog
safe oasis
- not a suggestion, more of a bug
- pretty sure this is known
limpid pagoda
remove the particle effect/reduce the amount of particles on screen, it gets ridiculous at times happy?
eternal escarp
eternal escarp
~~make HoTE less usefull for summoners ~~
tawny garden
eternal escarp
instead of that
tawny garden
an accessory for summoners
eternal escarp
maybe make those accesories not be affected by the nerf
since only summoners really use them anyways
eternal escarp
making them classless would make summoners not use them aswell imo
eternal escarp
I used HotE
as? and why?
whole sedge
Yeah instead of just moving them to classless just having them not be affected by the summoner penalty would be neat to use it outside of just no visibility
safe oasis
classless damage solves that issue and lets the damage get boosted like summoners boost it
its the same effect but actually useful to anything that isnt summoner
eternal escarp
i see it better to keep them more usefull for summoners tbf, since lets be honest
when did any other class use them unironically
hot zephyr
Time to make Elemental Gauntlet give bonuses to all weapons because "ITS ONLY FOR MELEE!"
eternal escarp
when most classes have so much more
eternal escarp
i mean think of it this way
the accesory is litterly a summon
eternal escarp
hote boosts all classes though
its more directed to summoner, but usable by all
its just better for summoners then anything else
and most of the heart's components are summon accesories
hot zephyr
hote boosts all classes though
kinda? If you use it as a stat stick
whole sedge
Yeah now that I look at it kinda is a summon exclusive accessory design wise
hot zephyr
But it's an outlier
eternal escarp
its better to keep them summoner focused, but just making them not get nerfed by the summoner nerf thing imo
so summoners still benefit from, well
a summoner related accesory
remote crystal
I agree. Would make HotE worth farming for outside of summoner runs
hot zephyr
I think, if anything, HOTE should be changed to be less of an all-class accessory
eternal escarp
i agree actually
its really not worth anyways for any other class imo
it should just focus on the thing it can and should do
hot zephyr
It's just really boring at the moment with it's alternate form just being a stat stick
We've already got the Community
I'd much prefer if it scaled better with progression but lost its alternate mode
safe oasis
thats just a separate suggestion entirely
whether the devs want to make it more summoner specific or better suited towards all classes
eternal escarp
tbh the alt should just be removed, buff the heart itself maybe a bit more to be more summoner related
hot zephyr
It's literally made of summoner accessories
eternal escarp
aero, cryo and something i forgot really dont do anything other then stat sticks so i wouldnt count that either
its litterly a summon accesory
people forced it to be "MUST HAVE EVERYWHERE" for no reason
when litterly almost every class has better shit that overshadowes it other then summoner, atleast hopefully in 1.5 when slot stacking is gone
safe oasis
also you guys are talking about like a specific aspect of my broader sugg
slime mount and stuff also does summon damage
as does fungal clump
eternal escarp
sponge? what does it have that deals summoner damage?
safe oasis
fungal clump
safe oasis
did they move it out of sponge
eternal escarp
clump is basically a summon imo, it shouldve been that
no idea, i always remembered it as a part of the amalgam
eternal escarp
mounts are tricky, ig
but accesories that lutterly just summon a thing to fight for you, like clumo imo should stay summoner
eternal escarp
prolly the amalgam then
which is
well, an amalgam of accesories
so tbf no one cares about it anyway
hardy dock
Imagine being wrong 
fossil finch
if you are a facetanker or a true melee that is
the range truffle thing has is so low risking is a bad idea for most.
pine star
Thanks Feedzuh
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
One of the suggs like this was approved, so this one would end up with a bluecheck
outer crane
just wanted to ask opinions , is my sug good?
safe oasis
suggested and approved before https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/772979353382027266
cobalt pewter
That doesn't meant the sugg shouldn't be up yes
outer crane
my bad
safe oasis
yeah its still fine
safe oasis
bit too wordy though
the part about summoners not having a problem doesnt need to be there
could be skimmed
cobalt pewter
Yeah it's a bit thick is all
visual wigeon
Looks like we got our daily astrum Deus color change suggestion
crude geode
You really should have to kill both worms tbfh.
heady storm
@ashen warren again (again).
earnest cape
languid quartz
bot broke (the bot broke) ((this means it can't deliver suggs)) (((if the bot can't deliver suggs then I can't suggest to add :peepoweird:))) ((((this is very bad))))
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
Ah yes
I also had this in mind
One thing in particular is to make one worm inherit the old helix minions around its head
When I thought about it
Byea, having 2 versions of the worms actually significant instead of just slowing down the fight indirectly is
crude geode
Also actually needing to kill them would be nice.
Imagine if you only had to kill one twin after both of them reached 50%, it's just kinda ridiculous.
earnest cape
It certainly does give a challenge
cobalt pewter
Indeed
First off, lore effects are dying for the most part (these ones in particular will be into new toggle items iirc)
hollow shell
@ashen warren Lore items are losing their effects next update
And the anti-spawning ones will be replaced with equivalent items
ashen warren
And the anti-spawning ones will be replaced with equivalent items
oh, that was all i was suggesting
should i delete my suggestion?
hollow shell
So, yeah you already got your wish :P
cobalt pewter
ashen warren
alright then thanks
eternal escarp
imo its better to make it toggled so new players who dont read dont get bamboozled
and so like
you can toggle it mid game
instead of finding a container to place it in
heady storm
who wants to remove their dash on purpose?
People who want a challenge.
hollow shell
Or rather, people who want precise movement
That's why dashes were toggleable in the first place
Also, what are you talking about with the Dungeon?
Ball and Chain is a crafted item, not Dungeon loot... afaik
ashen warren
Also, what are you talking about with the Dungeon?
Ball and Chain is a crafted i...
oh
heady storm
In conclusion, make the dungeon more tedious! yay! (no this is not a sarcastic or joke suggestion, i genuinely want more dangers in the dungeon)
(No, self-explanatory.)
ashen warren
i'm getting confused between thorium-
earnest cape
Isnt the whole point of having ball of chain work when favorited is so it doesnt get annoying like how lore always works when in the inventory in older versions
eternal escarp
feels like it
and its good like that
i prefer having an easy way to toggle it like that
ashen warren
i mean, you have a fair point
hollow shell
Yeah, you are getting confused with Thorium
ashen warren
i just got really confused with the thorium debuff
eternal escarp
lmao
earnest cape
Oh that debuff 
hollow shell
I think this suggestion has a negative chance of getting implemented
ashen warren
mhm
hollow shell
You're literally asking for convenience to be removed from a convenience item
Literally suggesting annoyance
ashen warren
yeah i figured
eternal escarp
omw to suggest planetoid ore removal
earnest cape
Hage
hollow shell
(You could suggest that)
(Actually, Thomas beat you to it, kinda)
#suggestions-voting message
(tho he failed)
eternal escarp
(i mean, yeah i guess, but there isnt a real point to it)
(yeah i refrenced his suggestion )
earnest cape
It seems the sugg wasnt favorited that much
eternal escarp
#suggestions-posting message
wouldnt this kinda ruin the whole "1 weapon for each class" after AScid rain?
i mean it would make sense ~~and less melee weapons 
~~
oh wait, summoner doesnt have a weapon at that point, nevermind
hollow shell
Less melee weapons is only good when it's a sword 😔
eternal escarp
yeah true
cobalt pewter
Though Bonebreaker is the only pure, javelin weapon in the melee arsenal, there's Brimstone Sword that can be thrown like javelin with right click, but it's still primarily a sword
safe oasis
what was the reason behind removing the "toggle visibility to toggle dash" from dash hybrid items
hollow shell
Vanity.
hollow shell
Also I don't think that's really a bad thing Feedzuh
Melee javelins are a thing in vanilla, so it's not that weird
and more variety for the melee arsenal is welcome, even if it goes against the idea of "melee"
imo
eternal escarp
i mean, yeah
if it stayed melee its still better then another sword
cobalt pewter
Melee has too much underdeveloped subclasses as it is imo
earnest cape
no one makes most draedon arsenal weapons anyway
cobalt pewter
Most of the effort goes to fucking broadswords
safe oasis
more variety for the melee arsenal is welcome
as if melee needed even more weapons
hollow shell
Melee has too much underdeveloped subclasses as it is imo
Well I mean, the solution to that shouldn't be to remove non-breadsword weapons so that melee is even more tunnel-visioned
cobalt pewter
Well I mean, the solution to that shouldn't be to remove non-breadsword weapons ...
THAT, is true, but Bonebreaker seems like an one-off weapon that would've worked as it is if rogue javelins don't exist
eternal escarp
ngl at first i thought bone breaker was a spear
cobalt pewter
is Night's Gaze even part of the whole deal?
hollow shell
Night's Gaze was added after Eclipse's Fall
cobalt pewter
Ah
hollow shell
but uh yeah you can keep the suggestion cuz the reason is fine, people will prolly agree
I just disagree, and think it's fine for melee to have it
cobalt pewter
Safe to say I actually also want melee weapons to be more diverse, and the broadsword count to be reduced
Byeah, Bonebreaker is a bit iffy to be melee when rogue exists
earnest cape
just make it melee and rogue 
earnest cape
:)
crude geode
mixed weapons die 
warm scarab
Though Bonebreaker is the only pure, javelin weapon in the melee arsenal, there'...
crafting a throwing weapon into melee 
tawny garden
throwing is dying thankfully 🦀
frail mantle
throwing weapon into a melee weapon isn't as weird as something like the prismatic breaker, where you have a mage bow and a sword that crafts into a sword that deals ranged and magic damage
granted, Prismatic Breaker is a donor weapon, but the point still stands
warm scarab
pulsar marlin
Too be honest, Daybreak is also a thrown melee weapon.
cobalt pewter
Daybreak was upgraded into Eclipse's Fall directly (before Night's Gaze was added)
rain basalt
What is OOA?
eternal escarp
Old Ones Army
tawny garden
aka Stupid Event
muted osprey
aka event you only do as summoner
frail mantle
OOA, also known as the worst event in the game (shared first place with the pillars)
tawny garden
yo Providab
happy birthday
muted osprey
OOA you fucking bitch
Let me farm Betsy for the legendary weapon
tawny garden
warm scarab
warm scarab
aka event you only do as summoner
sad melee and regen tank noise
frail mantle
why arsenal blocks
robust lava
I feel like if the reasoning behind all of these is "because I didn't generate my world with Calamity enabled", then the solution... is to generate your world with Calamity enabled. It's not really Calamity's fault that you don't have access to things that didn't spawn in because you didn't let them spawn in
tawny garden
Yeah
robust lava
There are other reasons to want these things craftable, but idk about that reasoning
tawny garden
The update has been out for months
distant gyro
if you didn't generate the world in the first place then uhh... what are you gonna do? Craft the entire abyss and sunken sea?
eternal escarp
omw to craft a terraria world because i didnt make one
robust lava
Multiplayer is a legitimate reasoning for the Stardisk, but same could be said about the other chest items
distant gyro
brb crafting 5 stacks of abyss gravel
funny that terminus is mentioned in the first place
distant gyro
it's the most guaranteed of all the shrine items and if it's not generated then lol did you even have an abyss
tawny garden
Murasama has a higher chance of spawning, actually
distant gyro
and yes
tawny garden
Because weird worldgen can put the bottom of the abyss into the underworld, where it would be overwritten
distant gyro
if you get into a situation where you are in a 20-player all ranger world, you're not going to get everyone naturally generated shit
tawny garden
murasama isnt really a shrine anymore byeah
(Back when it was a shrine)
distant gyro
like flare gun, hellwing bow, snowball cannon, and such
robust lava
Just fish
distant gyro
what makes HFSD such an exception
eternal escarp
if you wanna use 1 world thats your fault kinda tbh
tawny garden
Fish for the Terminus
crude geode
terraria can use different worlds for a reason
calamity goes against this.
tawny garden
Does it?
frail mantle
to some extent, yes
distant gyro
I hate that I know the one example that's going to be brought up
crude geode
Selling of opposite world evil's things, evil island, planetoids giving you opposite ore.
distant gyro
crude geode
everyone did
tawny garden
Different worlds are a fundamental part of Terraria which Calamity can't change
frail mantle
they always are when multiple worlds are brought up
crude geode
Calamity isn't really multiplayer friendly in general (See the SCal fight).
eternal escarp
i mean, it is still an option, just not the intended one, ig
tawny garden
Calamity isn't really multiplayer friendly in general (See the SCal fight).
That's Calamity's fault
crude geode
mmmm not that much.
eternal escarp
i mean i wouldnt blame them really
distant gyro
aggro is a funny
crude geode
Vanilla itself has multiplayer friendly issues, don't blame Calamity for not wanting to mess with it.
eternal escarp
terraria MP is wierd enough anyways that it makes sense why they wouldnt bother as much
yeah
crude geode
If you want a well designed multiplayer mod, go play Thorium, where they have classes specifically designed for multiplayer.
distant gyro
to some extent it can be vanila's abomination of how aggro functions that makes it stupid in the first place
eternal escarp
remove aggro, vanilla, please
distant gyro
the design just happens to coincide poorly because of it
eternal escarp
fuck*
tawny garden
eternal escarp
byeah anyway
robust lava
Going back to the sugg, I think there is some merit to the suggestion, although I think the reasoning is a bit weak, as it comes from a situation that a very small subset of people would experience, and those that do experience it would just do the sensible thing and make a new world
crude geode
@warm scarab The first part of your suggestion is kind of moot because if you didn't generate your world with Calamity, draedon gear being missing is the least of your worries. You lack Brimstone Crags, Abyss, and the Sunken Sea then.
eternal escarp
you basically, just lack Calamity
crude geode
Oh, and the sulphurous sea.
distant gyro
- second part is a reminder that most chest loot are finite
warm scarab
<@!734682139202682881> The first part of your suggestion is kind of moot because...
oh yes crags
but
abyss...
you don't lack anything from abyss
because abyss is position-relative
it's always there
just no abyss blocks
and no natural loot
gonna have to fish
sunken sea is a thing
robust lava
I don't understand why you wouldn't just make a new world at that point
robust lava
Even if the loot is obtainable in other ways, you'd be missing out on a significant part of the Calamity playthrough by not being able to explore the Abyss, the Sunken and Sulphurous Seas, the labs, the Crags etc.
crude geode
If you generated one world you can just do another.
warm scarab
I don't understand why you wouldn't just make a new world at that point
what if i already progressed into hardmode, about to fight brimmy and then realized i don't have crags in my world and then realizing i generated the world without calamity enabled
robust lava
If you hadn't realised that nothing had generated by the time you get to brimmy then I'm not sure you're playing right
warm scarab
what
crude geode
I’m pretty sure most people don’t get to hardmode and then realize “oh, I’m missing the entire brimstone crags”
warm scarab
post EoC
eternal escarp
actually the moment u spawn u should know
warm scarab
I’m pretty sure most people don’t get to hardmode and then realize “oh, I’m miss...
i mean abyss exist
eternal escarp
by the fact you dont start with a bag
warm scarab
actually the moment u spawn u should know
wot
robust lava
I can understand not checking the Crags until brimmy, but you should have probably gone to the Sulphurous Sea, Abyss, Sunken Sea and even some labs way before then
warm scarab
by the fact you dont start with a bag
that's character creation, not world gen's thing
eternal escarp
is it? huh
eternal escarp
true, then post DS is the first moment ud notice
robust lava
Yeah you could generate the world without Calamity, then enable it and enter and get the bag
crude geode
Because you usually make a character first and then the world.
eternal escarp
<:bruh:644332300418678785> how come you don't know
im stupid and i dont think about stuff
warm scarab
Because you usually make a character first and then the world.
i make world first
lel
the main thing about charging stations / factories is they can be used as furnitures
eternal escarp
well that should be the better arguement tbh
not "i didnt generate world"
more like
"i would like to have the option for more cells / charging for MP and or for furniture and building" ig
idk this just sounds like a better reason imo
crude geode
Don’t you get like two or four per draedon lab.
eternal escarp
yeah, which is alot
theres atleast like
16 labs in the world?
maybe more idfk
crude geode
There’s the 5 special ones at least, which contain 4 cell factories and a charging station. Meaning you get 20 cell factories and 5 charging stations from that alone, not counting the multiple abandoned workshops and research facilities that can spawn randomly.
That said, I guess if you’re looking at an even larger build you might need more than 20.
Byech
@heady storm Does the reasoning behind this suggestion seem valid to you? It feels like an extreme case to me, as the author only realized they didn’t make their world with calamity once they were in hardmode.
cobalt pewter
Also the logic of people not wanting to make a new world is
They're just hindering themselves from solving the problem, I don't see any reason to not just make a new world, and (assuming char is hardmode) just blast your ass to the planetoid lab to get the stuff
heady storm
Would the resources players need to even craft them be available under this scenario.
If not, then this is completely redundant.
crude geode
Technically yes, because Armored Diggers.
But relying on those for your resources is
frail mantle
also this part is kinda like
heady storm
Yeah I saw it.
tawny garden
the reasoning doesn't really stand up to scrutiny
crude geode
Additionally, if you’re a builder you can also just...cheat them in if you want.
tawny garden
there are stubborn ppl who don't want to make a new world
fuck them
eternal escarp
and as an off solution
im prty sure theres a mod that makes these craftable
ive heard about a mod like that atleast
crude geode
I’m kinda surprised there isn’t a “Calamity Builder Mod” out there similar to CalVanity tbfh.
warm scarab
Would the resources players need to even craft them be available under this scen...
the thing is you can craft lab blocks
and armor diggers
seem to exist
eternal escarp
and the Draedon's Remote mayhem causes them to also drop resources iirc
frail mantle
Yes
eternal escarp
but its stil like
warm scarab
yes and i'd post another sugg on making drae's remote unique-
eternal escarp
not a strong enough reason imo, even though the suggestion itself is nice
crude geode
Inferior compared to grinding out power cells? 
warm scarab
eternal escarp
Inferior compared to grinding out power cells? <:thonk:359397580381224970>
obv, it was assuming they dont have cell generators
wait
crude geode
Once again, if you generate your world without Calamity, generate another one.
eternal escarp
fuck inferior is better or worse? i hate english
tawny garden
worse
eternal escarp
phew
crude geode
Ye
eternal escarp
so yeah basically
eternal escarp
Once again, if you generate your world without Calamity, generate another one.
^ being stubborn is basically the players fault
eternal escarp
as a builder, id prolly just make a new world
tawny garden
there's no point in being stubborn if everybody else is against you
eternal escarp
or cheat, in my nohit cases
warm scarab
but searching for labs
eternal escarp
planetoid + hell + sunken sea labs are easy to come by tbh
warm scarab
bruh
crude geode
And that’s 15 alone.
eternal escarp
15? damn thats more then i originally thought
crude geode
Wait sorry
eternal escarp
i though each had 4 cell and 2 chargers
crude geode
Indeed
And you can also generate small worlds and use crystyl crusher to find jungle and ice
eternal escarp
it would be a good feature to give them a recipe but there just isnt really a good enough reason
yeah true, but thats assuming you only build late game ig
warm scarab
lol
crude geode
who builds early game with draedon lab gear, or mid-game in general
eternal escarp
i mostly build at HM so i just dig up myself and find it, or straight up cheat annoying stuff in
i do
byeah
earnest cape
Hamburgerboi be collecting ❗ like thanos with infinity stones ngl
cobalt pewter
earnest cape
bitter drift
Hamburgerboi be collecting ❗ like thanos with infinity stones ngl
@earnest cape.... this is just pure @earnest cape
||i will go jump of a building or something idk||
tawny garden
||don't 🥺||
crude geode
@bitter drift Don’t joke about that.
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
Wait I can't recall, but was a rogue buff station planned?
(for context, furnitures that behave like Sharpening Station, Ammo Box, Crystal Ball and Bewitching Table)
cobalt pewter
I legit can't recall lole
rotund tree
so they are adding one
cobalt pewter
Only the 2nd is relevant to what I asked ig
earnest cape
Jaja
crude geode
It is unknown
cobalt pewter
So a single sugg about adding a rogue buff station which didn't get any reaction past delivery
I think Lauren mentioned something about one being planned, but lemme check rq
crude geode
There’s more but copy and pasting links on mobile is
earnest cape
If that was the case wouldnt it have to be slightly nerfed
and also you can technically get it from individual slime gods if you kill them last
crystal iron
Idk, the fight from then isn't that hard anyway, and the weapons aren't that strong
crude geode
implying slime god staffs are any good
earnest cape
They are VERY strong for wof if you have a bridge
cobalt pewter
Christ
crude geode
Don’t they drop through platforms like instantly.
earnest cape
/shrug
cobalt pewter
Imagine using solid block bridge
earnest cape
Discord why
crude geode
@radiant meadow Apologies, but any ideas on rogue buff station’s existence?
radiant meadow
I think it's a thing but idk what it's gonna be. It's not a priority I don't think
crude geode
Understandable, since Iban mentioned it like last year 
cobalt pewter
crude geode
Tbfh any of slime gods drops are very underwhelming. It might be because of abyss weapons but even then most of the slime god drops/crafts are really boring.
crude geode
Not like in terms of performance as much as uniqueness
crude geode
You have sword that shoots projectile, compared to flail that spreads homing shots as it travels.
Wacky Black Anurian with homing shots and quirky upward shots vs Basic Staff or Shadowflame Hex Doll
Double Minion Herring Staff that charges and flies, vs Slime Staff but red/purple
cobalt pewter
Slime God only drops weapons of 3 classes no?
Unless you're referring to Purified Gel crafts as well
crude geode
I’m referring to those as well tbfh
cobalt pewter
crude geode
The only one I remember that often is Overloaded Blaster bc it’s infinitely more unique than the rest of everything post-SG
cobalt pewter
Overloaded Blaster is good ye
crude geode
Outside of performance they just feel...lame compared to the quirky mechanics of the abyss weapons.
tawny garden
@crystal iron you can't post more than 2 suggs in one day
crystal iron
Oh, then why is the Cool down so low
tawny garden
the cooldown exists to prevent spam
crystal iron
Ye, but shouldn't it be longer then
Since you can only post 1 Sugg. Day
Oh wait I misread
eternal escarp
longest is 6 hours iirc so it wouldnt matter anyway
tawny garden
some people do occasionally delete suggs accidentally instead of rewriting them
so it would be an inconvenience
tawny garden
longest is 6 hours iirc so it wouldnt matter anyway
yeah
crystal iron
<@!614170866896339023> you can't post more than 2 suggs in one day
This was my second one, the other one was yesterday
earnest cape
If you have more than 2 suggs in posting you must not post anymore suggs
crystal iron
Ah
earnest cape
Until one of them passes on to voting
cobalt pewter
You can only really post again if both delivered to voting ig
crude geode
You can blame @cobalt pewter
earnest cape
tawny garden
sharp prism
I hate @cobalt pewter grrr
crude geode
Same, coming up with good, quality suggestions
cobalt pewter
You can blame <@!359879246446854147>
tawny garden
I was for a cap just for Feedza
though, now that I think about it, a cap on everybody is pretty much the same thing
warm scarab
huh
frail mantle
ye
frail mantle
are they
eternal escarp
prty sure they alternate 2 colors so its not really a diffrence? or i might just be stupid
jolly thorn
posted a suggestion, not sure if you guys will like it, heh
cyan lagoon
Adding new items i believe is a "don't"
tawny garden
no
ancient mirage
that sugg isnt specific though
tawny garden
only specific items are
eternal escarp
only if its specific i believe
cyan lagoon
ah
cobalt pewter
Yeah
eternal escarp
although
tawny garden
your ❗ is unjustified
cyan lagoon
removed
eternal escarp
dont see the point to make items "hard" to get just because
adding more content for summoner is good but
i think no one would want a class to require grind 24/7 ig
for viable options
jolly thorn
dont see the point to make items "hard" to get just because
grinding is fun most of the time, especially with farm building and zergs. we need SOME grinding
there's legit no summoner grinding kek
eternal escarp
fun is subjective
jolly thorn
there's grinding for every single other class
jolly thorn
cept for summoner
safe oasis
better suggestion would be to add more rares/legendaries since theres literally 1 for summoner and its shit
adding summons that are hard to get purely because its hard to get would not be a good idea
eternal escarp
rare theres cosmolamp, legendary theres cold divinity
eternal escarp
adding summons that are hard to get purely because its hard to get would not be ...
^ yeah basically
and adding legendaries is a dont iirc? ill check the doc
cobalt pewter
Yes
cyan lagoon
is cosmilamp really 'rare' though?
jolly thorn
honestly, summoner just boils down to
kill boss
mine for three minutes and make boss spawn
fight next spawn
craft loot with boss drops
repeat
eternal escarp
honestly, summoner just boils down to
>kill boss
>mine for three minutes and m...
thats litterly like
what you do with most classes if you want
cyan lagoon
i think it's a 1/3 so it isn't too terrible
jolly thorn
legendaries is a don't, yeah
cobalt pewter
Legendaries are a don't, and RIVs are planned to be retired iirc
eternal escarp
honestly, summoner just boils down to
>kill boss
>mine for three minutes and m...
its classified as one so idk
ah shit wrong reply
cobalt pewter
In that no more RIVs will be added
safe oasis
honestly, summoner just boils down to
>kill boss
>mine for three minutes and m...
that describes literally every class
eternal escarp
is cosmilamp really 'rare' though?
meant for this, byeah
safe oasis
guidelight is the 2.5%
jolly thorn
that describes literally every class
there's a ton of wizard weapons that require killing multiple bosses for their rare drop, and then combining em
cobalt pewter
better add microtransactions to my Calamity mod to spice up weapon grind
jolly thorn
and guidelight sucks
cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
summoner has the HoTE, one of the grindier accesories early on, which i know alot of people hate to grind for
i doubt people want like, Fargo enchantment numbers of grind time
because if they do
they can just
play fargo souls
cobalt pewter
Souls grind is fucking artificial as shit it's to the point where "grind for the sake of it" makes a lot of sense in that context
jolly thorn
well, my original point is that every summoner will always have the same loadout in every stage of progression, there's no real 'rare' weapon that's tough to get, like the terraprisma for example
i might actually change it to that
safe oasis
terraprisma is a 100% drop
eternal escarp
well, my original point is that every summoner will always have the same loadout...
that could be said for other classes too tbh
safe oasis
not a very good example of rare
eternal escarp
on a ranger playthrough youd prolly use the same weapons all the time, P90 on post plant, photo for scal, seadragon for polter whatever
jolly thorn
not a very good example of rare
but it's tough to get
eternal escarp
on rogue ud prolly use like, crystalline on DS, disk for skele
cobalt pewter
It's fun to find out off meta stuff that surprisingly are good
eternal escarp
oh yeah, it is
jolly thorn
not really, there's way more variety than that
eternal escarp
but i just feel like making more for summoner which requires annoying grind is not a good thing
jolly thorn
and asking for more summoner weapons is a 'don't', right?
safe oasis
shift some melee weapons into summon damage 
jolly thorn
yes
cobalt pewter
And any active attempts are either unfun (most of classless weapons designed for summoner use) or mhage (Borealis Bomber), or actually decent (Cold Divinity right click and Igneous Exaltation)
eternal escarp
i do agree summoner needs more variety
tawny garden
shift some melee weapons into summon damage <:ultimatesmug:807498328693669918>
1.4 did that
eternal escarp
but i personally think that variety shouldnt be locked primarly behind grinding
tawny garden
eternal escarp
i mean, most classes dont rely on grind for every point in the game
jolly thorn
some do, though
eternal escarp
the option to grind once here and there for good options is fair
but a class should never require it
jolly thorn
honestly, i think the only solution is to add more legendary weapons, and since that is a don't, it's probably best to mark my suggestion as closed
eternal escarp
the best solution is just to add more summons as a whole imo
jolly thorn
but a class should never *require* it
that was never the point though, there should've been weapons that are just harder to get and get you slightly more damage
jolly thorn
the best solution is just to add more summons as a whole imo
true
tawny garden
honestly, i think the only solution is to add more legendary weapons, and since ...
adding more Legendaries is
jolly thorn
yup
eternal escarp
well, the suggestion kindof looks like it says make more grindy weapons then needed
tawny garden
Summoner needs more weapons in general
eternal escarp
yeah obv
cobalt pewter
Minion AI is hard
eternal escarp
sadly
tawny garden
but a suggestion for more summoner weapons won't have any effect
cobalt pewter
So summoner will automatically get less stocks of weapons
eternal escarp
even if its not my favorite class, summoner has to be the most unique class atm in theory
which is sad how hard it is to add to it
jolly thorn
summoner would also be nicer with weapon alt-fires
maybe branching a little into the mage category
or manually controlling a minion with your mouse
safe oasis
alt fires would fuck up the minion right click targetting
not like it does anything in the first place
crude geode
Minion AI is hard
So is making an entirely new class. Arguably infinitely more so. Yet calamity has done it, and continues to support that class.
tawny garden
making a new class isn't more effort
eternal escarp
depends on what the class is id guess
tawny garden
I bet that, programmer effort-wise, making one summoner weapon is like making several rogue weapons
eternal escarp
well theres alot of things it can depend on
depends on what the rogue weapon in question is too, or what the summon in question is
tawny garden
well, yeah
crude geode
Programming wise it’s probably generally more effort. However, stealth strikes exist essentially double every rogue weapon, and you also have to add the fact that accessories and new class exclusive armors as well as the theme of a new class all have to be thought of.
tawny garden
(btw I mean that both things are hard to do, don't get me wrong)
crude geode
Indeed.
eternal escarp
i think we both got each others points across
crude geode
Speaking of an actual suggestion and less about my distaste for the “Summoner AI Programming Difficult” argument, this is vanilla coding we’re discussing.
Messing with vanilla code can just be impossible to deal with.
@radiant meadow Any input on how summoner right click priority works and if this suggestion is anywhere near possible?
radiant meadow
it's possible to completely overwrite the right click, it's just more annoying
see Cold Divinity and Igneous Exaltation
crude geode
Makes sense. Have no knowledge of the code regarding that so I wanted to double check 
@safe oasis I would probably change the title of your suggestion. Kinda implies the right click does nothing. Something like “Have Summons prioritize Focused Enemies more”
safe oasis
fixed ty
wooden quartz
I'm a bit confused, I've always found the right click to be extremely effective?
fossil finch
face tanking is really fucking imploding next update but do anyways
Or yet better remove terra edge why the fuck is it a thing
pine star
face tanking is really fucking imploding next update but do anyways
Or yet bette...
Same problem, just with Terratomere instead
crude geode
Melee Weapons™️
fossil finch
remove melee 
sleek turret
Melee Weapons™️
yes.
rain basalt
remove melee <:LETSFUCKINGGOOOO:750965042123636757>
No . FU
sharp prism
I'm a bit confused, I've always found the right click to be extremely effective?
they changed it so you have to be holding the summon weapon/whip for it to target
iirc
warped tide
that... makes sense?
why should a non-summoner be allowed to have full summon effectiveness
hollow shell
There's already a 50% damage nerf
Why untarget the minions too
hollow shell
Sugg seems fine
(Some may argue that Meld isn't supposed to be the 5th fragment but
it is absolutely that in practice
so)
hot zephyr
It totally is the fifth fragment
mystic cloak
tranquil perch
Meld is just kinda there to exist and "be special" for rogue
But it makes melee, mage, and ranged weapons
(and rogue weapons, duh)
dapper coral
meld is the fifth frag and it's also not
keen nebula
Is there a suggestion regarding changing the drops of vanilla loot bags to be more like the Calamity ones? (that is, no mutually exclusive drops)
It would make grinding for a certain ML, Plantera, or Golem drop less bad
or even WoF / Duke
because if there was a suggestion like this i'd rather upvote it than divert attention away from it with the same suggestion
hollow shell
Huh, I never knew that water prevents Icarus's Folly
But it does, I see it in the source
cobalt pewter
huh
hollow shell
but uhh I don't think there has been a sugg like that, Berber
At least not in recent memory
cobalt pewter
Also I know Fish Bowl thing was 1.4, but trying to use it to cancel Icarus' Folly is
Interesting
severe sedge
the fish bowl thing for merman was 1.4 yes, but when i experimented it gave me the drowning bar
hollow shell
However, lava is not included, I see that as a specific exception
Doesn't matter much for the sugg, just a lil correction for the reason
severe sedge
ah got it
mighty knot
languid quartz
safe oasis
cant you just double tap right click with fishbowl as vanity and literally negate the debuff's existence entirely
severe sedge
it only prevents the debuff the tick it happens
severe sedge
i can boot up terraria again and record the test
languid quartz
sounds good berber
severe sedge
Fishbowl doesn't count as submerged pre 1.4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZLzU81injk link to early yt video showing how you drown when using fishbowl (pre-merkfolk activation when in fishbowl in 1.4)
Test Video
warm scarab
#suggestions-posting message
he's tryna kill ben
keen nebula
i'll kill u
novel belfry
durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
radiant meadow
@young canopy Specific item suggestions aren't allowed, and you lack any reasoning to your suggestion.
radiant meadow
It did not occur to me that they meant the boss rush rock until now
young canopy
yeah my fault should have read the pins.
radiant meadow
You're also not allowed to suggest giving the boss rush rock any functions.
including crafting
young canopy
fair
earnest cape
It will be used for something soon™️
crude geode
“I have defeated all your titans”
Xeroc: gently hands you a rock
earnest cape
frail mantle
i don't think so
frail mantle
i mean at the point where you might want a sandstorm (early hardmode) you can just use an Arid Artifact to guarantee a sandstorm
hollow shell
I don't know if there is
I mean, there probably is, I just don't know of it.
eternal escarp
i think i heard of one, byeah by the time u need a sandstorm you can guarantee is anyways
crude geode
Why is this a Calamity problem.
eternal escarp
^ its not really a problem at all imo
crude geode
Calamity literally adds Arid Artifacts so you don’t have to wait @static mantle . If you refuse to use them, then that’s your loss and you should have to check manually.
static mantle
Ik
But player may want to know when its sandstorming normally
Because its hard to get arid artifacts early harmode
glass sentinel
why would you constantly check the desert for sandstorms?
heady storm
You should not have to use a consumable item to know the weather in a desert yes.
glass sentinel
there isnt a need for you to always need a sandstorm
heady storm
Like hell, Acid Rain has a message.
static mantle
Yea
eternal escarp
well acid rain is more of an event then weather, isnt it?
static mantle
Sandstorm is an event too
heady storm
The sandstorm is also an event.
glass sentinel
sandstorm is also technically an event
glass sentinel
blizzard is more weather
earnest cape
Fucking rain is an event
tawny garden
a QoL mod for this
if a mod for that is obscure, we shouldn't really use it as a counterargument
crude geode
acid rain affects all environments, not just the sulphuorous sea.
tawny garden
Night is an event
eternal escarp
if a mod for that is obscure, we shouldn't really use it as a counterargument
it wasnt for a counterarguement, atleast i didnt intend for it to be
tawny garden
earnest cape
acid rain affects all environments, not just the sulphuorous sea.
Wdym by "affects all environments"? You mean the unending rain on the world when one decides the happen?
crude geode
Yee
hollow shell
(The rain is no longer unending but yeah it does cause global rain)
crude geode
It’s not like a sandstorm in the desert causes pixie dust to fly in your face
static mantle
hollow shell
mhm, you need to go to an actual desert to know when one's goin on
earnest cape
Free "pixie dust"
hollow shell
In my worlds I try to put a tiny Desert biome in the sky somewhere near my base, to quickly check
... iirc they way boosted up the sand requirement for the biome in 1.4 so I don't think I'll be doing that anymore
tawny garden
how cute
hollow shell
teeny desert
earnest cape
What's the requirement again?
crude geode
I think they’re referring to the # of sand blocks
hollow shell
For a Desert, it's 1500 sand blocks in 1.4
hollow shell
Are Sandstorms actually connected to wind speed in 1.4? This I do not know
earnest cape
In 1.3? If theres any difference at all
crude geode
Ye
earnest cape
Iirc yeah
eternal escarp
im prty sure they are
crude geode
Wiki says so
eternal escarp
which makes sense tbh
crude geode
Looking for other solutions to the problem instead of going content mod pls add this QoL is probably a better idea imo
hollow shell
Ah yep, "when wind speed is over 30 mph"
frail mantle
iirc yeah, windy days in 1.4 make sandstorms exist
static mantle
But it doesnt always sandstorm when there is hard wind
eternal escarp
atleast theres a sandstorm status message after Desert scourge, which youd see anyways since you are in the desert
hollow shell
Interesting
crude geode
Bc it triggers a sandstorm yeah
hollow shell
Yeah Windy Days are when it's over 20 mph
So there can be windy days without sandstorms
Unfortunately.
It's not like how Rain and Blizzards are connected.
static mantle
But it doesnt always sandstorm when there is hard wind
.
hollow shell
Ye
earnest cape
He just mentioned why lol
crude geode
Mhm
static mantle
And its hard to keep track of
hollow shell
Oh... god
"This means that the wind speed in game must be at 30 mph for a 23.5 minute period on average in order for a Sandstorm to spawn."
earnest cape
If it reaches <30mph is it still rng for a sandstorm or it will immediately call a sandstorm
hollow shell
I don't know how 1.4 wind mechanics work but this sounds horribly inconsistent
hollow shell
It just has a super low chance of occuring on every tick it's above 30 mph
crude geode
Ahhhh so that’s why I never got a sandstorm in 1.4
hollow shell
Averaging to 23.5 minutes
earnest cape
Thanks, red
glass sentinel
it would be so much easier if it was Speedy wind = 100% sandstorm
crude geode
can we get back on the topic of the sugg now
tawny garden
Thanks, red
your nickname is red
earnest cape
static mantle
Its my first suggestion
earnest cape
Well about the sugg theres the weather thingy accessory from angler right?
static mantle
When will it get accepted or denied
hollow shell
Yeah this suggestion is fine.
uhh
24 hours after it was posted, it'll get moved to #suggestions-voting
static mantle
Ok
hollow shell
Then the public will vote on it with ⭐ reactions
If it reaches 200, it'll get shown to the devs and they'll give the final verdict
earnest cape
24 hours after it was posted, it'll get moved to <#263382359397761025>
Unless it has ❗ where itll get deleted by the bot
static mantle
I see
crude geode
Looking for other solutions to the problem instead of going *content mod pls add...
Personally, I think Arid Artifacts and the fact you really don’t wanna go and mess with sandstorms generally before acquiring at least some weapons make this sugg’s reasoning kinda...lackluster. Also I don’t see why Calamity should add this instead of some QoL mod.
hollow shell
Yeah the 24 hour period of existing in #suggestions-posting is for you to make edits to it, usually requested by people in this channel,
or for it to be deleted if it breaks a rule
hollow shell
That's fine lol
static mantle
Oh
earnest cape
Personally, I think Arid Artifacts and the fact you really don’t wanna go and me...
Does arid also disable sandstorms
eternal escarp
ill check
earnest cape
Not related just wanted to know
hollow shell
You can include in your reason that it's the only weather event that is not obvious to the player when it is occurring
globally
tawny garden
Does arid also disable sandstorms
I think it does
earnest cape
Ah thank
hollow shell
Cuz Rain and Blizzards are connected and occur worldwide
Acid Rain has a dedicated message
The Day/Night cycle and Blood Moons/Eclipses are obvious, the latter ones having status messages too
but for Sandstorms, you need to check the desert
eternal escarp
it immediatly does, which is nice
hollow shell
Could help your sugg to include that
crude geode
Tooltip doesn’t say that arid artifact can cancel sandstorms which is
glass sentinel
or just make arid artifact easier to craft
eternal escarp
how many times would you even need a sandstorm other then early hm tbh
crude geode
Great Sand Shark
earnest cape
Tooltip doesn’t say that arid artifact can cancel sandstorms which is <:ech:6369...
@dev
static mantle
Imma edit it a bit
hollow shell
Okie
tawny garden
<@&242038163512623104>
eternal escarp
the shark summons a storm itself, but you dont need for it to be a storm it seems
oh wait
the summon requirements
crude geode
good job researching
eternal escarp
im on 2 braincells, so yeah
static mantle
Imma edit it a bit
Made it
hollow shell
Oh pff, not just Relic of Ruin
Forbidden Fragments make a lot of stuff in Calamity, on top of the usages in vanilla
hollow shell
You can need over 15 in one playthrough
earnest cape
hollow shell
(Mages are hit hard in particular)
(They need about 20)
(Other classes are prolly around or less than 10)
crude geode
Rogues need more.
crude geode
hush not now
earnest cape
This is why i have potion seller and fargos
earnest cape
~~hush not now~~
crude geode
Rogues have a consumable potion made from it so of course they need more
tawny garden
This is why i have potion seller and fargos
thankfully 1.5 will exist
hollow shell
Won't help for Calamity potions.
earnest cape
Gee i wonder why mr russian man