suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

The actual personal repost rule isn't stated anywhere either

afaik

That could go in the Practices section of the doc

[tawny garden]

ig mrpp could update his pin

[hollow shell]

I'll edit the doc in the morning

[tawny garden]

which is why I fell for it once

[hollow shell]

The sun is rising so I should sleep

[tawny garden]

lol

nothing about reposts is said in the doc at all

[hollow shell]

mhm

[crude geode]

Rover vampire confirmed???

[cobalt pewter]

:TERROR:

😔

[heady storm]

Just like me huh.

Anyways, all suggestions are fine?

[tawny garden]

Guess so

[robust lava]

Not sure of the bug or sugg nature of this suggestion. This comment from Ozza makes me think bug, but he also says that it should have been fixed... but it hasn't?
#bugs-read-pins message

[rotund tree]

well it's not, that's for sure

i created a new world an hour ago to find them

[robust lava]

Sounds like a bug to me then

[rotund tree]

oh i see

well in that case, it's good

[robust lava]

But that was back in June. There have been multiple updates since then

[rotund tree]

[crude geode]

Ozz, time for your 4pm bug re-fixing!
yes mayo

[robust lava]

I like directing people to #bugs-read-pins because then I just get to go back to my hidey hole and never leave the channel again

[crude geode]

[earnest cape]

[heady storm]

Oh this would be a bug fix huh.

[robust lava]

@rotund tree so basically, drop that sugg into #bugs-read-pins and someone will look at it

[rotund tree]

[robust lava]

AKA me

[earnest cape]

Mayo likes bugs

[heady storm]

Delete your ‘suggestion’ afterwards.

[eternal escarp]

i remember that happening in our playthrough and nutella had to build around that

[robust lava]

I wouldn't say I like them. I'd prefer they didn't exist since that would be less work for everyone

[rotund tree]

[earnest cape]

Fair, fair

[eternal escarp]

i mean

your not really intended to play multi classes

it appears only for rogue armor because its a rogue class thing

[radiant meadow]

@ashen warren The stealth bar doesn't show because you don't have any stealth.

You have to wear a multiclass armor or a rogue armor in order to get stealth in the first place.

[ashen warren]

that's what i'm implying

stealth meter without needing armor would be pretty neat

[eternal escarp]

oh wait, multiclass armors give stealth?
i stand corrected then

[hot zephyr]

What's the point?

[radiant meadow]

Then you should just say that stealth should be allowed to build regardless of your armor

[ashen warren]

alright i'll correct it

[radiant meadow]

instead of talking about the stealth meter

[zealous ridge]

Silencing sheath doesn’t let you regen stealth?

[radiant meadow]

if you don't wear a rogue/multiclass armor, you cannot gain stealth when you equip the sheaths

[zealous ridge]

alright, new info to me

interesting

Had that always been the case? I hadn’t tested it before

[radiant meadow]

yes

[eternal escarp]

victide armor and wulfrum armor exist though

just use them, its easier to get aswell, and those armor sets will be changed in 1.4 so idk how long itll be usefull to have tbh

[ashen warren]

Still I don’t see why they don’t have it and who knows if and when modded is getting 1.4

And when 1.4 happens a lot of stuff is gonna have change anyways

[eternal escarp]

fair ig

[ashen warren]

Plus I’m full rogue none of that multi class armor for me

Until I make the multi class armor for me

[fossil finch]

victide and wulfrum are not multiclass, tho

They just have multiple helmets

[tawny garden]

remove the "Important!" from the beginning

@ashen warren

[ashen warren]

Ok

Well we r passed victide and wilfrum anyways

[eternal escarp]

tbf victide is well rounded until aerialite if you stretch it

thats what rangers and melees use mostly iirc

[molten quest]

To be honest the stretch between victide and aerialite is pretty rough-

You kinda just have to use victide until preforators

Which are halfway into pre-hm

[eternal escarp]

depends on the class

[ancient mirage]

melee has shadow and molten armor

[molten quest]

I was gonna say that realising that those two armors exist-

[eternal escarp]

rangers dont have much, melee has molten midway, mage can go meteor / stay jungle for whatever, summoner gets bee mid way, rogue has sulph / victide armor till aerialite /

although summoners can go victide for more defense iirc

byeah

[molten quest]

For whatever reason I always say something without realising the others solutions-

[clever raft]

@ashen warren why does farming acidwood take forever? Just place a bunch of acorns in the sand

[sleek turret]

waiting to acorns to grow into trees is a problem of waiting.

and also if you want acidwood do acid rain T1 and fish abyssal crates

[clever raft]

I don't really remember it taking long. They also grow off-screen, so it barely even counts as waiting

[eternal escarp]

tbf i get enough acidwood after like, 10 minutes too

the difficult thing is the stingers

[fossil finch]

no because uhh
is
is this
Is this even contemplated on the dont's

[clever raft]

I don't think my suggestion breaks the rule about regarding a future update because it's not exactly asking for a change to an upcoming feature

it's something else imo

[sleek turret]

I think yes.

[whole sedge]

You literally say it's future content at the start of it

[sleek turret]

Isn't that part of "Move content to a separate mod"?

[clever raft]

Can't find anything about this in the don'ts

[dapper coral]

This is literally regarding future content

Hands down

[clever raft]

Okay, okay, it's gone

I'll wait until release date

I just thought it's okay since it isn't actually a change about anything Calamity

[bitter drift]

@ashen warren i think that's a don't (making throwing weapons and armor compatible with rogue)

[bitter drift]

farm at the ocean

[eternal escarp]

obsidian was changed for rogue, so that prolly fine

fossil is whatever ig

[bitter drift]

fossil is throwing

[eternal escarp]

yeah so dunno

guess he accidently pressed enter

[tawny garden]

so it's a half-don't

[eternal escarp]

and yeah half of the sugg is prolly a dont

[tawny garden]

the word "fossil" isn't mentioned on the Vanilla changes page

so yeah

@ashen warren fossil armor is not rogue

[molten quest]

It is thrower

[eternal escarp]

which isnt rogue

so yeah

molten should change the sugg

[tawny garden]

well acthchualllly...

[eternal escarp]

dont

[molten quest]

I think that's a don't-

Maybe not-

I'll leave that up to the peolle who know how to do this-

[fossil finch]

what this

this is
probably not allowed yeah

also silva was not held physically in any way

it's just the heavy pressure crushing her physical form and not letting it reform

it also has no reason, main point for the sugg to be invalid

[molten quest]

Also, fourth layer of the abyss is post-polter-

Silva armor is post-provi-

[fossil finch]

dog* (for 1.5 at least)

[eternal escarp]

silva is post Yharon (post DoG for 1.5)

[molten quest]

Oh

I haven't played calamity in a decently long time-

[tawny garden]

@hazy glacier you reasoning has to go a bit further than "It would be cool"

[fossil finch]

the sugg is also kind of all over the place tbh

[tawny garden]

(and also you need to separate the title from the rest of the sugg via shift+enter)

[hazy glacier]

thx forgot how to do it

[tawny garden]

and the last bit is kinda specific

[hazy glacier]

Ye deleted it

[tawny garden]

oh

[hazy glacier]

Just thought that if that other guy wants lore here he has it

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell wtf green 😳

[tawny garden]

@cobalt pewter wtf white 😳

[cobalt pewter]

Also having stealth outside of armor sets can be nice, but maybe cap max stealth to a low amount to still encourage sets

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

somebody earlier said that multiclassing is discouraged

why?

[tawny garden]

this

[clever raft]

Mostly because armors have set bonuses, almost always for just one class, making that weapon class better when you're wearing it
Also because grinding for the class-specific accessories you'll be using for a while takes a while, so if you stick to 1 class that's 5x less time spent farming for everything

[cobalt pewter]

I say having low amount of stealth early game before touching anything can be nice, but ig that's about it

For me stealth with no armor sets should be granted when the armor slots aren't fully filled

[tawny garden]

mmm

[hollow shell]

Green time

Also I disagree very with Blitzo's sugg cuz that means all players in all playthroughs will be unable to stand still without turning invisible and hearing the "houh (shing)"
(a lot of them prolly don't know about the config)

[cobalt pewter]

houh (shing)

That said I actually wanted to know how to manually disable stealth, particularly because I wanted to try testing some numbers, and stealth keeps boosting it

[tawny garden]

suggest it

[cobalt pewter]

it fits for something like a small mod

maybe CalTestHelpers

[tawny garden]

yea

[cobalt pewter]

@vocal grotto pongo, maybe something like this can be added to test helper mod?

[tawny garden]

@round ravine shift+enter

[round ravine]

Right. Sorry about that.

[tawny garden]

it's ok

[safe oasis]

reasoning could be improved

like elaborate why them looking the same is a problem

[tawny ocean]

i did

you get them messed up with polters

[gray nebula]

make bloodflare summoner bonus cooler than funny mines,

[tawny ocean]

that would be better

seriously, they barely do any damage and are hard to land

[hollow shell]

Makes sense

It could be a bit clearer your reason why their identical appearance is a bad thing
cuz there's more than once reason why that could be the case

1. Confusion between which projectiles are yours and which are Polter's
2. Exudes dev laziness
3. Should be more thematically fitting with Bloodflare

maybe more

[robust lava]

Is it allowed to suggest to temporarily recolour the Trial Mod role to purple? This is only half a joke

[crude geode]

Problem: Wiki admin is purple colored

[tawny garden]

that's the point

[crude geode]

(also congrats on being trial mod rover)

[hollow shell]

Moving Wiki Admin's role priority above Trial Mod might be better...

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

Thanks

[robust lava]

That seems like a better plan to restore the glorious purple

And yes, congrats on the trial mod!

[tawny garden]

people need to be able to see who's a mod

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's the main thing

Don't wanna be an undercover mod

Cuz

Mod presence in a chat is important in itself, even if they aren't enforcing anything actively

[tawny garden]

here's a better plan:

make me purple

balance will be restored

[robust lava]

Suggest it then

[tawny garden]

can't

[radiant meadow]

That's against the rules

[hollow shell]

This sugg is okay but it's a tad overly specific at the end

Always refrain from suggesting exact numbers

And it'd probably be better to word it less definitively
"could" instead of "would"

[tawny garden]

Ian, this ain't gentalk

[hot zephyr]

Sorry I'm tipsy

[hollow shell]

Aight thanks Pieridae

[hot zephyr]

Not used to seeing Ben outside of gentalk

[tawny garden]

wh

[radiant meadow]

You don't look hard enough.

[tawny garden]

he frequently appears here

[safe oasis]

bloodroot suggestion could also go for literally every health power up

doesnt make sense to suggest specifically that one

[rotund tree]

they never felt hard to get for me

i see like 3 of them just by falling down my hellavator

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly I wanna see dye trader selling hp fruit materials

Bloodroot post plant, teal shroom post cultist, blueberries post polter, and sky blue flower post Yusron

[round ravine]

Actually, that's a better idea then what I have.

[cobalt pewter]

And yeah summon armors need more unique stuff for their set bonus

Instead of just added minions

I don't recall Auric materials in pML ever having a toggle for something

I kinda wanna see Bloodflare armor's mines reworked to a toggle for minions to temporarily target the cursor, byeah

[molten quest]

Great, now you're making me think of summoner-exclusive armor sets that I won't mention in the suggestions posting tab for they will break one of the don'ts-

[hollow shell]

You can ask for more of them in general

if you want

[molten quest]

Yeah you see thats the thing, I don't have the physical power to ask for them-

[cobalt pewter]

What

[round ravine]

Sorry, I accidentally hit the 'Enter' key.

[cobalt pewter]

[round ravine]

[molten quest]

[hollow shell]

m

[cobalt pewter]

Yay! Rover broke the chain

In any regards, feedbacks on me suggs appreciated or something along those lines

[glass sentinel]

add 'Is' to the end of the title

but otherwise i like the last sugg

[cobalt pewter]

Uhhh

No SIS?

[heady storm]

Looks like a SIS as is yeah.

[hot zephyr]

Just suggest "More aggro items"

They're desperately needed

There needs to be better ways of controlling aggro tbh

[heady storm]

@round ravine read the document in the pins please.

[hollow shell]

This is a Specific Item Suggestion, yeah

[round ravine]

It's too major, isn't it?

[hollow shell]

Nah, not major

It's the specificity

[heady storm]

Too specific yeah.

[hollow shell]

Look at the topmost Don't in the doc

[heady storm]

You could instead suggest what Ian brought up.

[round ravine]

So I can't suggest an item period, right?

[grim tusk]

You can as long as you dont go specify stuff

[hollow shell]

Yeah you can't give it a name

[grim tusk]

Like for the item you suggested, you can like not specify how it looks just what it may do

also anarcheotic coating exists which does the same thing you suggested

[hollow shell]

But you can suggest that the purpose of the item

be the reason

Like, you suggested that a new aggro-reducing item be added

So you can explain why that would be welcome in Pre-HM

[hot zephyr]

new ways of manipulating aggro plez.

give flat aggro gain bonuses to melee gauntlets

weapons designed to build aggro

[mighty knot]

@cobalt pewter hm, I feel like there would be a better solution

you just went on about how having to use stealth with these accessories makes them useless

so why would anyone bother getting stealth for the extra effects

plus, a lot of them are more powerful than other accessories or items that do similar things, because they require stealth

[cobalt pewter]

Rebalance along with the change can always happen

[mighty knot]

right, right

but the first point still stands

also, without the requirement for stealth, almost none of them would be in any way unique to rogue

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth boosting the effects would make using it as intended, with an amount of stealth charged, would keep the original intention of the accs

[mighty knot]

but you wouldn't need to use them as rogue

if anything, at that point, why bother having extra bonuses from stealth? most people don't play rogue, and those accessories are really good barring the stealth cost. just seems more complicated

[cobalt pewter]

I get that, but like, the way the accs just use a small amount of stealth meaning that the way stealth consumption works would be a hassle for both parties, as with spam you slow down your DPS quite substantially, and with stealth you take even longer to actually use stealth strikes after using these

[cobalt pewter]

stealth can only be obtained with rogue armor sets

What's your point?

[mighty knot]

but you wouldn't need stealth to use them, right?

that's the suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

Rogue / multiclass at least

Ah

Indeed

I thought you referred to current

But yeah

[mighty knot]

then...

[cobalt pewter]

The stealth boosting effects quirk would keep the uniqueness of these accs being rogue while not being a hassle with the current stealth consumption mechanic

[mighty knot]

but, again, you wouldn't need to be rogue to use them

[grim tusk]

Or multiclass

[cobalt pewter]

So? The current effects might need to be rebalanced with this change, but assuming they were, using the accs as spam rogue or multiclass would make the performance of the stealth activated effects just relatively workable, with stealth making them better to use (take Spectral Veil as example, stealth can reduce the Chaos State duration inflicted upon the use of teleportation)

[mighty knot]

I mean I guess

but it's either they're good enough for all classes to use, or at base state they're pretty bad so you still need stealth for them to be worthwhile anyway

[cobalt pewter]

That depends on how devs rebalanced them ig

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message that kinda kills the point
Also p90 with chlorophyte is amazing for parseas and aberrations during Levi fight

[cobalt pewter]

P90 baaaad

[languid quartz]

p90 good

smh

[cobalt pewter]

I hate P90 and the fact that ammo damage makes the weapon's tier irrelevant

[grim tusk]

Usable til polter :omegafailure:

Where is omegafailure when you need it

[cobalt pewter]

[whole sedge]

[hot zephyr]

Fixed

[marble hazel]

lets frickin go!

my first mod sugg :D

[hollow shell]

Nice

I'll deliver that soon

[heady storm]

(I wanna try, please let me?)

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah, sure

[whole sedge]

[earnest cape]

congrats

[languid quartz]

chetto is gaining power

[robust lava]

@round ravine If you intend for this new suggestion to replace your old one, you should delete the previous one. You also shouldn't reference the previous one in this new one since not everyone will see both

[eternal escarp]

you could also edit the one before

and delete the newer one

[round ravine]

Right. Sorry about that.

[eternal escarp]

EoC has an animation?

he just hovers up until he despawns

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
@tight echo he’ll no longer run away and neither have an animation lel

[tight echo]

what

[eternal escarp]

and yeah

[tight echo]

isnt he despawns

[eternal escarp]

next update he wont run at all

[tight echo]

oh ok

[eternal escarp]

sugg is kinda redundent

[tight echo]

i thought you were talking about current time

[eternal escarp]

so yeah prolly just delete the sugg since next update he wont run at all

[robust lava]

There is a Brimstone Ele resprite in the works. Your opinion of her clothed-ness may vary

[ashen warren]

Ok

[tawny garden]

This is the third time I've seen that sugg

[ashen warren]

Oh

[tawny garden]

[robust lava]

'tis rather common, yes.

[ashen warren]

But really, nudity is mature 17

[molten quest]

Have there been any suggestions where its the complete opposite-

[robust lava]

Calamity doesn't have an age rating, so it's not like it's lying to people that there's not gonna be any nudity or anything

[tawny garden]

Also lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/792917980740452413/Purified_Brimstone_Elemental_deseret.png

[ashen warren]

At least she has clothes

[tawny garden]

3 year old image

[molten quest]

Now she looks like she belongs in a coffee shop-

[tawny garden]

ye

[molten quest]

Or sitting outside a campfire

[tawny garden]

In any case, the sugg prolly isn't valid

As there is a resprite coming up

[robust lava]

(is the pic with the spoon the actual resprite, I can't remember?)

[eternal escarp]

minus the spoon

[robust lava]

well yeah

[eternal escarp]

and yeah i think so

[tawny garden]

#mod-announcements message

[dapper coral]

yea it is

[tawny garden]

Ye

[eternal escarp]

it just lacks animations iirc

[dapper coral]

at least, the version of it at that time

it's gonna be that but with animations etc

[tawny garden]

So the sugg is a don't anyway

[cobalt pewter]

It's still topless

But like

No thighs

[tawny garden]

I'd argue that the new sprite isn't suggestive

[robust lava]

The new sprite is less pronounced

[molten quest]

There are a short amount of jokes I could maybe make up right now-

[eternal escarp]

you could say theres a spoonfull

[tawny garden]

Go to gentalk with your puns

(Somebody wish to put a ❗ on the sugg?)

[marble hazel]

this sugg is really funny

[fossil finch]

technically you can be nude if you don't have any private parts showing
Don't ask me how that works

[molten quest]

It worked for the nymph from vanilla-

[ashen warren]

Dont miss the dryad

She is wearing vines

VINES I SAY

Dryad arguably naked

[tawny garden]

how does that work

[ashen warren]

Dunno

[molten quest]

I don't know-

[fossil finch]

I mean, is she really nude?
As far as we can see, she may be wearing a tight shirt and pants the same color as her skin, reason we don't see anything private

[pine star]

[sharp prism]

omw to use a texture override to put that ingame

[tawny garden]

tbh I wouldn't be surprized if after the epic sprite update somebody will release a mod that just restores the giant boobs sprite

[sleek turret]

smh just fight brimmy blindfoolded or with your eyes closed so you can't see the booba

[sharp prism]

That is true

[sharp prism]

i just need to animate it

[tawny garden]

"just"

[sharp prism]

"just"

[tawny garden]

why doesn't this have an exclamation yet

@zenith hazel

[frail mantle]

because no mod has exclamated it yet

[cobalt pewter]

Genius

[bitter drift]

**Allow for the brimstone crags lore item to reduce damage from the searing lava debuff to some extent **
Reason: The brim stone crags are one of the easiest biomes to get across but for getting around the biome for one reason or another is a pain worst then the underworld itself, all the lava tiles in the brimstone crags give 2 debuffs rather then one (lethal lava burns and searing lava) which dwindles you life away extremely easily.
If there was no reason to jump into the lava of the brimstone crags it wouldn't be a problem but alas digging the vains of charred ore and reaching the buried houses inside the biome almost requires you to jump into these pits of deaths and most other ways to these few minerals and chests has hellstone placed in the walls causing more lava to be made and you suffering more of this hellish debuff combo.

what do you think? is it good to suggest

[tawny garden]

lore items' effects die next update

[bitter drift]

this one still doesn't have any effect
i am pretty sure it's the only one that does not have one

[frail mantle]

correct

but all lore item effects are being removed next update

[bitter drift]

really?

[fossil finch]

yes

[bitter drift]

are there any replacements?

[fossil finch]

no

[frail mantle]

the most popular ones (the biome ones) are being moved to separate items but other than that they're completely gone

[bitter drift]

ah wait i found another useless lore item

from what i found there are 8 lore items without buffs

[frail mantle]

yes

and next update that's gonna be all of them

[bitter drift]

xD lol

[low hedge]

pog my obsidian skull sugg got apptoved

[bitter drift]

link it

[sharp prism]

Pog

[hot zephyr]

[low hedge]

iron heart is two away tho

[bitter drift]

oh it's the obsidian skull giving heat rez?

right?

[low hedge]

yr

and the rest of its crafting tree

also need to do the incremental death mode weather stuff

[bitter drift]

y da facc wasn't this implemented from the start of heat and cold resistance?

[low hedge]

ihunno

[cobalt pewter]

SIS

[fossil finch]

this is extremely specific and kinda useless anyways since curve flattening bla bla bla and etc

[tawny garden]

Yeah

[kindred creek]

demon shade just always feels overshadowed by auric tesla

so it needs a buff

[tawny garden]

Remove the last three paragraphs

[fossil finch]

also one minute of 50% more damage is extremely op

[tawny garden]

smh it's not SIS

[cobalt pewter]

Shut

[kindred creek]

would the suggestion be better if I removes the ideas for new abilities?

[tawny garden]

Ye

[sleek turret]

"Return from the shadows" part seems, very specific.

[distant gyro]

I'm surprised it hasn't been thrown into the "frequently suggested" yet

[cobalt pewter]

Demonshade is fine

Auric is just dumbfuck nuts

[distant gyro]

There ought to have been at least 10 that gets shot down for poor suggestion execution

[fossil finch]

this is still kind of lol since everything related to a demonshade buff is giving it more survivavility and that is funny

[tawny garden]

That part of the doc is abandoned anyway

[distant gyro]

true

[fossil finch]

let's make it not abandoned
I'm sugging yharim's army event and plague minibiome

[tawny garden]

[hot zephyr]

Time to die

[tawny garden]

here comes LXIXCDXX to post the same emote as I did

[distant gyro]

(also the crystyl is slower than blossom doesn't apply anymore as it had been "intentionally bug-ified")

[ashen warren]

ok let's change demonshade to high raw stats but one hit and you die

[fossil finch]

true glasscannon

[distant gyro]

isn't that what it is rn

[fossil finch]

kinda

[sharp prism]

(relogic with hoiks)

[tawny garden]

Wh
Is it one of those "we can't fix it so we'll just call it a feature"?

[distant gyro]

except you just bind armor set bonus to attack key

correct

[fossil finch]

just make left click change mode on crystyl smhsmshssshsssshshhshs

[distant gyro]

we made the pickaxe 2 use time so it's intentionally a bugged swing animation but now it's the uncontested fastest pickaxe

[tawny garden]

ooohhh

[distant gyro]

"fuck the animation, the gameplay matters here"

[tawny garden]

[distant gyro]

I think it actually happened in 1.4.5.001, idk if anyone caught on

[tawny garden]

oh.

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message @kindred creek its supposed to be a glass cannon armor

And enrage is getting changed next patch to not be so unfair with certain bosses

But even without enrage, the dmg boost it gives is ridiculous

[dire loom]

demonshade is great

annihilates bossrush even when you arent using summoner weapons to help with ur other weapons

[tight echo]

watch, another unneeded suggestion coming

[tawny garden]

👀

[molten quest]

terraria multiplayer in general is pretty broken-

[tight echo]

yeah

[languid quartz]

pretty good sugg tbh

[tawny garden]

yea

[tight echo]

i live that 4 times in 2 days lol

[jolly fable]

Make soma prime less loudly

[hollow shell]

A suggestion as old as time
Never got fixed, for some reason

[jolly fable]

Sad

[hardy dock]

Providence has tons of enrages

I think it's fine if one of them is kinda standard

[molten quest]

Also, hive mind, preforators, desert scourge, and a couple of other bosses go invulnerable after leaving their respective biomes-

[hardy dock]

Honestly out-of-biome is the least common enrage she has anyway

Since it only really matters in the Hallow

[hollow shell]

Not anymore, Omega

Changed recently

[molten quest]

Wait, really?

[dapper coral]

ye

[hollow shell]

Yeah

#changelogs message

and the changes after that

[molten quest]

I havn't been keeping up with the calamity changelog news, only the recent ones-

[eternal escarp]

#calamity-update-talk message
seeing by this, id call providences enrage prty unique, so idk what to call the invulnerability

[hollow shell]

You could specify you mean the biome-based invulnerability in your top line @safe oasis

[eternal escarp]

but night provi seems to actually be her enrage so like, idk

[hollow shell]

so people don't think you're talking about Night Prov

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[safe oasis]

oh yeah fair point

[eternal escarp]

also gz for the promotion rover

[hollow shell]

Thanka

[sharp prism]

i dont like the green

[safe oasis]

that works?

[sharp prism]

its just not right

but congrats anyways

[hollow shell]

That is better.

[eternal escarp]

omw to fight providence enraged times 2

byeah this is lookin better imo

[sharp prism]

this was

some foreshadowing

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Ehhhhh

I mean it's definitely not as intense as old one, but I can see players who fought him for the first time a bit exhausted

Not sure if that would need to be nerfed further

[tawny garden]

he's being reworked significantly already

[rancid saddle]

Oh ok, i'll delete the sugg

[hollow shell]

wew

[rancid saddle]

this isn't a complain post I was just testing out yharon's attack patterns just to see what hes like so I could prepare on my main

[tawny garden]

(were we too harsh?)

[rancid saddle]

no lol

just 'hes being reworked already' was enough for me lol

[hollow shell]

You can hold on to the suggestion for when 1.5 comes out, and see if the new fight has the same problem

[rancid saddle]

k

[hollow shell]

The main thing about the new fight is that there's no longer a tier separation between Phase 1 and 2, they're always together, like DoG

So it is possible that the Phase 2 ending panic will not be changed

[rancid saddle]

imo they should just be seperate and make phase 2 harder

[hollow shell]

However the rebalancing might make it more fair

[tawny garden]

hm

25% rings a bell in me, but for a completely different reason

[molten quest]

is the wulfrum bow supposed to do nothing unique-

[tawny garden]

probably

[molten quest]

oh

[cobalt pewter]

Wulfrum Pylon is the most unique you can get from Wulfrum army

[molten quest]

well I mean, you aren't wrong-

but then compare it to victide stuff, which can be obtained near that point in progression-

[cobalt pewter]

Victide is just fucky

It invalidates Wulfrum gear

[cerulean estuary]

but why bother getting victide before ds, to invalidate wulfrum, when ds is an easy boss

[hardy dock]

Then why go out of your way to get wulfrum armor

[molten quest]

Thats why desert prowler, jungle, meteor, snow ruffian, and obsidian armor sets exist-

[hardy dock]

wulfrum armor is super tedious to get

[crude geode]

meteor

[hollow shell]

Wulfrum is indeed designed to be very plain and basic
But you can make a suggestion for them to be more unique if you've got the reasoning for it

[hardy dock]

and yeah those better sets exist

[cerulean estuary]

Summoner it's worth it for the headgear slot

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message so boss rush ai?

[safe oasis]

never played boss rush idk

[grim tusk]

BR Ai is brutal

[safe oasis]

@dark urchin reasoning and formatting

[dark urchin]

?

[safe oasis]

for the suggestion

read the pins

[cobalt pewter]

Check pins yes

You need way more reasoning and proper formatting

You can check other suggestions for formatting

That aside, I kinda like the premise of the sugg

[dark urchin]

Ok

[cobalt pewter]

Though 2 of the biomes the labs are placed in already have their own biome chest weapons

So not sure

[tawny garden]

eh

more reasoning

is needed

@novel belfry

[hollow shell]

yeah

Definitely could use more elaboration

[safe oasis]

"as of writing this suggestion" isnt needed

kind of a given

[glass sentinel]

tbf i really like the cv fight; its fun, fluid and intense

[sharp prism]

isnt

#changelogs message

[earnest cape]

thinkies

[earnest cape]

drataliornus

[rancid saddle]

oh

[earnest cape]

bruh

[rancid saddle]

lol

[earnest cape]

you could've just copied the text

[rancid saddle]

I'm -lazy ok

[earnest cape]

also this sugg lacks reasoning

[cobalt pewter]

What

[crude geode]

Thinking before you craft items? What’s that?

[earnest cape]

thinkies

[rancid saddle]

yes but if you're disappointed with the dps or you just personally don't like itm you can't go back

[crude geode]

You can, it’s called crafting another heavenly gale

[rancid saddle]

I spend an hour on that please don't laugh at me

[hollow shell]

It would be impossible to make a singular recipe to go back, cuz recipes can only give one result
We could make it so you can craft Drat back into Heavenly Gale, and you'll just have to take the L with the other ingredients

[rancid saddle]

ye thats what i mean bc those ingredients are easy to get

[hollow shell]

I do think the sugg is understandable cuz Drat has a more niche purpose than Gale

[earnest cape]

those ingredients are easy to get

bru

[hollow shell]

The reasoning could be worded better, I'll say that

[crude geode]

and not intentionally misspell dratoliornus

[hollow shell]

Oh wait a second

Hang on

[crude geode]

ah yes it is very easy to get blossom flux

[earnest cape]

on the title too

[rancid saddle]

the ones in drat not gale

[earnest cape]

blossom flux is in drat recipe

[rancid saddle]

oh

im stupid

fuck

[crude geode]

[rancid saddle]

also I'm getting more dps with heavenly gale

what is this mod

[crude geode]

are you using it against a boss

[rancid saddle]

no dummy

[earnest cape]

you're getting hit often

why are you testing dps against a dummy

[crude geode]

Good job, you’re doing dps tests incorrectly.

[hollow shell]

Heavely Gale does much better against stationary targets due to the lingering tornados
which makes its DPS seem way higher than it actually is, when used against Dummies

[rancid saddle]

because im doing a playthru and I don't just wanna waste my potions ;v

[hollow shell]

But

Regardless

Beesical you've got something of a lucky or unlucky streak
because with the funky Auric & Exo tier separation happening in 1.5, Drata is losing Gale from its recipe

[rancid saddle]

omg pog

yes

[cobalt pewter]

pog

[hollow shell]

So

ye, this won't be an issue

[earnest cape]

less malding lesgo

[hollow shell]

However, Blossom Flux will remain in its recipe because, it's frankly the most important item in the recipe

Sygilin/Akeeli is like
the Blossom Flux person

[rancid saddle]

blossom flux makes snese tbh

[languid quartz]

syg is blossum flux incarnate

[crude geode]

I’m fine with it being in there, saying it’s “easy to acquire” is just incorrect.

[earnest cape]

sugg is annihilated

[rancid saddle]

no its just a fgt abt the blossom flux because I got it on the second plantera

[earnest cape]

you might have gotten it on second plantera when people haven't gotten it after hundreds of kills

anyhow

off topic

[rancid saddle]

so my monkey brain thought "this is a common item"

[crude geode]

ye

[earnest cape]

fair enough

[cobalt pewter]

Meme

[earnest cape]

i wonder who we're pinging today

@timid ibex can you not post meme suggs

[hollow shell]

hehe haha

Also breaks this Don't

[timid ibex]

Alright

[earnest cape]

should read the "don'ts" doc ngl

[ashen warren]

"anti-climax"
make DoG in boss rush have some long unique death animation and then screen goes flash and it drops the rock

you know just like moon lord's death

[hollow shell]

Death animations would be welcome

[grim tusk]

That might be added when Absolute Radiance Xeroc gets added as a dramatic entrance to it

[hollow shell]

But, they're difficult and the devs got other priorities at the moment

[grim tusk]

^

[hollow shell]

Hopefully they'll get added at some point tho cuz they would be very nice

[glass sentinel]

this is a no-no yes?

[frozen hornet]

Think this falls under bringing back old content

[glass sentinel]

yup

also the new ssv is now kinda a mage sentry wep

so its not bad, just used differently

[frozen hornet]

SSV is good enough for a main weapon

[golden narwhal]

But no spam = bad

[frozen hornet]

[glass sentinel]

[earnest cape]

@eager spindle

[eager spindle]

waeosme

ill delte iht

it

[earnest cape]

[manic aspen]

why does the brimstone elemental clothes suggestion have a red exclamation

[crude geode]

Her sprite is already getting reworked iirc

[safe oasis]

her new sprite still doesnt have clothes tho

[grim tusk]

It needs a buff and to vomit less dust to be usable

[cobalt pewter]

Usable*

[hollow shell]

Her bottom half is covered up, the top half isn't
which does work wonders for making it less lewd

Sand Elemental in vanilla, for instance, has a chest but has a non-descript lower half

[crude geode]

yeee

[hollow shell]

Female but not Questionable Content™️

[crude geode]

Also nymph exists in vanilla

[frozen hornet]

Seemed to work fine for me,sometimes even better than Vivid Clarity mostly because I can't aim

[hollow shell]

Nymph does indeed exist in vanilla

[earnest cape]

dryad

[languid quartz]

also dryad

[cobalt pewter]

The more you delve into it, the more horny vanilla becomes

[languid quartz]

oh let's not forget the zoologist

[crude geode]

If you want a mod to make terraria karen mom friendly don’t force calamity to do it, get a separate modder to do it

[earnest cape]

[grim tusk]

And all the innuendos

[fossil finch]

Iirc yes tbf tbh imo

[fossil finch]

Piss book.

[crude geode]

Offtopic

[mortal bison]

i wanted to congratulate rover and i know this is essentially the only chat he's ever in.

so uh congrats

[languid quartz]

galaxybrain strats right there

[earnest cape]

[mortal bison]

i mean am i won't

wrong

I'm convinced rover is stuck in hell and his hell is managing the clusterfuck of shitty suggestions and spending every living second in this chat

[crude geode]

Rover is god idk what you’re on about

[earnest cape]

^

[hollow shell]

Thanks Precision

[cobalt pewter]

Woah

Man seems like content on buffing CD

[glass sentinel]

please dont

its an insanely good weapon

[mystic cloak]

I'm just extremely disappointed in this. All that effort farming for it, for it to fall so flat, is quite saddening.

[glass sentinel]

wdym its a really OP weapon

[mystic cloak]

Even in it's like "peak" environment, against groups or worms (i.e. most mechanicals), it is just hilariously slow and pitiful in terms of damage in comparison to far more efficient options within the same time frame.

[glass sentinel]

WHAT

are you using it right?

[mystic cloak]

And its life time as a "staple minion" is extremely short.

Yes.

But please, do enlighten me though, what is your "right way of using it" then.

[glass sentinel]

are you specced as a summoner?

[mystic cloak]

Why else would I have it.

[glass sentinel]

its a really good side weapon as well

[mystic cloak]

Also its life-span post mechanical is non existant.

It really isn't worth the effort to obtain it, considering the 1% drop rate, and how little time you actually spend using it.

It really only has a place against groups or worms to be honest, and even still, it's not that great at that even

since it's reliant on the movement of a specific mob or position of a specific mob

[glass sentinel]

wait was it nerfed?

[mystic cloak]

thus its reliability drastically drops from that factor alone.

[glass sentinel]

since last time i used it it was godly

[golden narwhal]

Do you have any dps tests to compare with other summon weapons?

[cobalt pewter]

The double summon dmg bonus was removed iirc

[glass sentinel]

well nvm

ignore me

[cobalt pewter]

LOLE

[crude geode]

lmao

[mystic cloak]

I had some numbers but I forgot them, I can do tests again for you, if you'd like.

[golden narwhal]

(Also, the "needing a shitton of minion slots to work" will likely be fixed next update)

[mystic cloak]

yeah the fact you need like 8-12 minion slots for this thing to be remotely usable is kinda sad too tbh.

Also, in regards to getting 'perfect' dps testing, do you want me to just use bare accessories, w/out reforge modifiers such as menacing?

[crude geode]

Just contact a tester

[mystic cloak]

ok actually fair point there.

[golden narwhal]

Aren't they not allowed to do it or smth, or is that just for posting kill times in the dev server or whatever happens there

[cobalt pewter]

Testers might prioritize pML for now

[mystic cloak]

^

That too

[cobalt pewter]

Actually read don'ts doc

[mystic cloak]

I read over it before I posted the suggestion

If I missed anything there though, my apologies.

And this isn't specifically against "just bosses"

[safe oasis]

devs are only really prioritizing post ml content rn

[mystic cloak]

I've tested it against mobs in regards to farming, against bosses, against events. There's just better options :\

[safe oasis]

should save that sugg until new update and test again then repost if you think it still needs fixing

[mystic cloak]

Yeah, cause they're doing the Draedon update rn, right?

or working on it?

[safe oasis]

working on it yeah

[crude geode]

so we should only make suggestions regarding post ml content?

[safe oasis]

no im saying in terms of like rebalances

[mystic cloak]

Hm, alright, shame that this'll get back-burnered, essentially

but it was worth a shot I guess? 🤷

[crude geode]

Doesn’t mean the suggestion is invalid

[dry latch]

wait isn't it the other way around?

postml suggs should wait cuz everything is gonna get rebalanced anyway

[mystic cloak]

I don't know really ;u;

[crude geode]

That is in fact, exactly what should be happening.

[mystic cloak]

Also since it's late as hell for me (2:20 AM) and I have a webex for my course on monday, care if I call it a night for now? I know y'all get mad with the ding dong ditch suggestions, but those webex's account for 3% each essentially.

Cooleg is important

[crude geode]

You’ve discussed more than other ding dong ditchers. You’re okay.

[mystic cloak]

👍 noice.

[crude geode]

Just remember to check for pings

[golden narwhal]

[mystic cloak]

I'll most likely be up around like 9-10, so I should be free to respond.

Take care lads, and thanks for listening to my little take.

Have a good one 🛌

[safe oasis]

[hollow shell]

Gnight

This suggestion seems alright, goes into a great amount of detail

Gonna need a tester to back it up tho

[earnest cape]

(all rolled to menacing)

(mythical cold divinity)

[hollow shell]

That looks like a pretty good time, isn't it?

[safe oasis]

why not ruthless

[earnest cape]

it's pretty good yeah

[earnest cape]

idk I never used CD so I thought you had to resummon it every time so I thought mythical would be better

currently testing deepsea with same modifier on the same boss aka twins

aw man deepsea is NOT fair matchup with CD

can barely hit spaz in p3

mounted scanner it is

[hollow shell]

oof

[earnest cape]

same exact gear and modifier

on twins

[hollow shell]

Seems like Cold Divinity is good on bosses then

or at the very least The Twins

Definitely not garbage

[languid quartz]

do it on destroyer for funny melt god

[hollow shell]

Though the suggester does talk about its performance against common mobs

[earnest cape]

for CD it's definitely pretty good, especially on first and second phase since they mostly stick together and so it's right click hits the other twin although p3 falls off a bit but still manages with the homing

ah

for common mobs definitely not CD unless they're close LOL

[earnest cape]

and as for mounted scanner they're pretty good for every phase, hits consistently although you have to be pretty close to them

[hollow shell]

Hm

Maybe the suggestion could be changed to specifically make CD better against ordinary mobs?

[earnest cape]

I have no objections

[hollow shell]

@mystic cloak When you wake up ^

[earnest cape]

but that'll have to wait tomorrow considering the suggestor went to bed

lmfao

[frail mantle]

eh

personally i feel like not every weapon needs to be good on every type of battle the player encounters

[earnest cape]

true

[hollow shell]

That is true
But it is a legendary weapon

Sucks a bit to have it be really situational

[frail mantle]

CD not doing that well against common mobs means you can't just use the same weapon for all types of major encounters the player has

fair point, it is a legendary

but i still feel like it shouldn't fare amazingly on both bosses and normal enemies

[earnest cape]

the only times CD sucks is for single targets

/s

would definitely be pretty good if it was

[crude geode]

Other legendaries aren’t nearly as situational

SHPC for example does well against normal enemies and bosses, but also lights up caves like crazy.

[frail mantle]

true

[cosmic abyss]

"Make vanilla rogue armor give u the stealth meter"
what?

I just tested and obsidian gives you stealth???

[hollow shell]

Obsidian armor and Fossil armor

Oh

[cosmic abyss]

Is that dude high?

[hollow shell]

Even if you're wearing them and nothing else? You've got the meter on-screen?

just wanna make sure

[cosmic abyss]

Yeah

[earnest cape]

aight time to open terraria again

:mondays:

[cobalt pewter]

iircye

[cosmic abyss]

Only fossil doesn't have meter because it isn't a rogue set (which totally should tbh)

[earnest cape]

fossil doesn't give stealth ye but obsid does

[eternal escarp]

huh

i think we all got jebaited back then cuz i had no idea it even does that

[cobalt pewter]

I just forgot actually

I've had a handful of Obsidian armor uses

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren

[ashen warren]

Yea

[eternal escarp]

its already in voting byeah i guess they should know lol

obsidian armor already gives you the stealth bar, from what people say

fossil doesnt since its not rogue

dunno about gladiator armor

[ashen warren]

It doesn’t I tried it out

[eternal escarp]

if it counts, no idea if its throwing or rogue anymore

they tried, and they said they got it

so i mean

[ashen warren]

Why is there still throwing damage? I have no idea if it’s hard or not so take it with a grain of salt but why isn’t the throwing damage changed to rogue

[eternal escarp]

because throwing is
not rogue
removed anyways

[hollow shell]

Throwing will be removed when Calamity updates to Terraria 1.4

[earnest cape]

becomes ranged

[cobalt pewter]

Maximum rogue stealth is 80
This should enable stealth on the armor

[eternal escarp]

theres no use in converting throwing when its goes anyways

[hollow shell]

Can you go in-game and show us the stealth bar not showing up with Obsidian Armor, Molten?

As well as the bar showing up when you wear other rogue armors?

[eternal escarp]

if it doesnt show its prolly a bug then yeah

[earnest cape]

obsid armor definitely has stealth meter, the max stealth is 80

[ashen warren]

Not Rn I’m in bed

[cobalt pewter]

You sure it's not a mod conflict?

[eternal escarp]

did you test it mis?

[hollow shell]

Alright, whenever you can.

[earnest cape]

I'll send a screenshot rq

[ashen warren]

I have t tried obsidian but fossil and gladiator don’t and I’m just saying cause fossil is suggested in the class progression for rogue which is why I was confused

[earnest cape]

obsid

[eternal escarp]

fossil and glad arent rogue so like

[earnest cape]

stealth meter is top right

[eternal escarp]

thats why they dont

nice bar placement

[earnest cape]

gladiator armor time

hush

[eternal escarp]

actually

what is gladiator agian?

was it rogue or throwing?

[ashen warren]

It’s vanilla I think so throwing

[eternal escarp]

obby is also vanilla

they might have changed it

[earnest cape]

gladiator is also as a matter of fact rgoue

rogue

[eternal escarp]

so fossil doesnt for the obvious reason that its throwing and not rogue i believe?

unless it does, then its a mind blown

[ashen warren]

Wait what I could have sworn that gladiator didn’t have it cause I got the full set from one guy and I was freaking out

I could have sworn

[eternal escarp]

welp

[ashen warren]

Well my bad

[earnest cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal escarp]

eh it doesnt matter, its already in voting

[hollow shell]

mm
Tis a shame this was only discussed after it got into voting

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[ashen warren]

I didn’t really know I’m sorry for the mishap

[hollow shell]

If it's factually false it should probably be removed

[earnest cape]

it REALLY is

prolly

[hollow shell]

I'll post it here for posterity:

Make vanilla rogue armor give u the stealth meter

I am currently doing a revengence run with my friends and I’m doing rogue it is so crazy that when I made obsidian armor and fossil armor that there is no stealth meter, and currently making acid wood armor would take forever because of the wood, I don’t really see why the vanilla armor doesn’t have the stealth meter

Author: @ashen warren

(sorry for ping)

And removed

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[earnest cape]

(you can look up the sugg rover posted here with the search bar top right)

[ashen warren]

My bad hope this doesn’t effect my other suggestions

[eternal escarp]

well atleast now you know those armors do infact give the stealth

[hollow shell]

dw Molten it's aight.
Our fault for not fact checking it in the 24 hour window

[eternal escarp]

so thats the plus side of the convo

[earnest cape]

indeed

[eternal escarp]

and yeah

[hollow shell]

(If you go in-game and find that it still has no meter, try to find out why, and/or report it in #bugs-read-pins)

[earnest cape]

^

[ashen warren]

Ah ok

I’ll check in the morning

[hollow shell]

👍

[frail mantle]

[hollow shell]

For now uhhh

Sleep well

[earnest cape]

:i_sleep:

[ashen warren]

Will do

[cobalt pewter]

Watch as I get shit on with this sugg maybe

[earnest cape]

nice emote fail

[cobalt pewter]

Fuck off m8

[earnest cape]

:taxev:taxevasion:

hdfailure

[sharp prism]

(edited)

[warm scarab]

[sharp prism]

why

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[sharp prism]

didnt you just edit the sugg

?

[warm scarab]

i pressed enter wrong

[hollow shell]

Try to avoid sending and deleting messages in posting

[warm scarab]

and deleted the msg i just sent

[hollow shell]

better to edit so you don't gotta deal with the wait

[earnest cape]

Fool

[warm scarab]

tab key isn't working right

[eternal escarp]

are you gonna suggest the rocket thing

[warm scarab]

i was about to edit and tab key took 1 press as 3 and i deleted the msg

[warm scarab]

ye

[earnest cape]

but

[hollow shell]

But, I did see your suggestion

Adding more rocket types is not something we can currently do

[eternal escarp]

#calamity-update-talk message

and yeah its not really possible atm

[earnest cape]

was about to say

yeah you can't suggest it anyway cause it's not really possible

[cobalt pewter]

Already said that

[hollow shell]

Vanilla rockets are programmed in a very inflexible way
in 1.3 at least

More rocket types are added in 1.4 so there's a chance they improved the code, but atm it's not feasible

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

i just noticed i said "at the moment" in my message twice in 2 varietions

[cobalt pewter]

varietiong

[muted osprey]

L

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

byeah, i dont really see the need for special rockets when all launchers have a unique one atm anyways

[hollow shell]

(also, your suggestion looked pretty specific Hamburgerboi. I'd recommend refreshing yourself on the SIS rule, in the Don'ts doc in pins)

[cobalt pewter]

Also idk about the pbg sugg

Like

[cobalt pewter]

Not even nohit, and all I need to do just force her a bit up so I can have more than enough space dashing under the rocket formation

[eternal escarp]

i mostly make PBG just be at the top of my arena

and i slowly descent down

[sharp prism]

i just

skip pbg

[eternal escarp]

it prty much invalidates it yeah, but idk if alot of people do that

[sharp prism]

byeah

[eternal escarp]

[cobalt pewter]

You can always just force her up like what I did ye

[eternal escarp]

its prolly a fine suggest

although

[cobalt pewter]

I mentioned leaping over the formation with the sugg because it's more convenient to alternate between that and under when you have a massive jump speed boost

[eternal escarp]

no one will vote on making PBG "harder"

[muted osprey]

skip all bosses until LC

[eternal escarp]

so gl with that

[hollow shell]

This is the unfortunate truth

[cobalt pewter]

True

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

I'm gonna sugg anyway because fuck casuls

[eternal escarp]

i feel so sad when people skip PBG and OD because "it hard"

[muted osprey]

[hollow shell]

Suggestions to increase difficulty or nerf the player in any way are doomed

[marble hazel]

PBG is cool so her being hard doenst matter :D

[cobalt pewter]

worst case scenario the sugg would end up in Cataclysm mod

[muted osprey]

I just don't find OD weapons worth

[eternal escarp]

some of ODs are worth

[sharp prism]

[eternal escarp]

some are meh atm, i agree

[marble hazel]

isnt cataclysm mod dead

[eternal escarp]

but that will be fixed prolly in 1.5 with the balancing

[cobalt pewter]

Stevie wasn't real, but aside from that nah

[eternal escarp]

so id argue ODs drops will be better in 1.5

[earnest cape]

fun fact cataclysm mod was updated just a few days ago

[marble hazel]

no way

[tawny garden]

Rover, isn't it 6 am?

[sharp prism]

Epic Win

[hollow shell]

Close, 5AM

[cobalt pewter]

bruh

[sharp prism]

no its 5am

[eternal escarp]

s l e e p

[tawny garden]

m

[earnest cape]

good morning rover

[tawny garden]

Go

[cobalt pewter]

schlep

[earnest cape]

sleep is overrated