Is Yarim ever getting added as a boss?
#suggestions-discussion
kindred creek
grim tusk
Yes
tawny garden
in 2029
grim tusk
The only things we know are: how he looks, and that he’ll probably oneshot the player
tawny garden
and that he’ll probably oneshot the player
wh
fossil finch
I would not trust that amidias dialogue tbh
eternal escarp
also, i should prolly ask to change my nickname to blast
tawny garden
<:lorde:451536098913681418>
eternal escarp
wait why did i even cross that
tawny garden
Storm, you should decrease your electronic device's aural output
zenith hazel
lack of good reasoning + it's like 2 separate suggestions
tawny garden
ah, right
grim tusk
And maybe 
zenith hazel
I see the problem, but this is not the solution
tawny garden
cringe isn't a valid reason for❗
grim tusk
I see the problem, but this is not the solution
just slow them in bh5 problem solved
Oops ping
zenith hazel
then suggest that
grim tusk
If i didnt have classes later i would, but i need to gather examples of why to the sugg
eternal escarp
it makes BH5 not really that much thought, in my eyes you basically just pray you get a clean path to somehow live
that might be a good reason?
sharp prism
uh
fossil finch
sharp prism
zenith hazel
@real folio new class suggestions are not allowed, read suggestion don'ts doc in the pins
real folio
Wow
fossil finch
this answer feels me with pain for some reason
hollow shell
btw @hexed nimbus When I said you didn't need the exact numbers in your sugg, I meant that you should edit them out
You could sum up that whole bottom paragraph with "They could either drop from Plantera or from the tentacle enemies she spawns in Phase 2, because those resemble Angry Trappers."
hexed nimbus
hollow shell
👍 Thank you
hollow shell
@ashen warren "The other biomes" could be clearer
Could specify you mean Calamity's biomes
ashen warren
hows that
ashen warren
cool
eternal escarp
i was about to state a point that "it doesnt have an effect in those biomes", but it uses Mini biome blocks like granite and marble so this point is moot 
yeah i like this sugg tbh
sudden mural
doesn't the biome blade already use astral monoliths?
ancient mirage
its pre-hardmode right now
hollow shell
If it does, the wiki isn't updated to show it
ashen warren
yeah it doesnt use it
hollow shell
It wouldn't be on the base one cuz that'd moce it to HM yeah
eternal escarp
prty sure it doesnt have astral monoliths as of yet
ashen warren
nope not yet
sudden mural
oh right biome plade is prehm now
hollow shell
It might have has them back when it also required Pearlstone
eternal escarp
omega biome blade doesnt really use biome stuff at all, byeah
sudden mural
I think old hm biome blade had astral monoliths
hollow shell
Don't remember.
tawny garden
it can have 5 more ings
sudden mural
because I remember having to farm them for some sword early hm
eternal escarp
astral monolith isnt required in any weapon it seems
hollow shell
Ah, ye, lookin at the page history, Biome Blade used to require monolith.
ashen warren
what ever the longest crafting tree is can we add the breathing reed to the end of it
eternal escarp
unless you count star struck water
eternal escarp
Ah, ye, lookin at the page history, Biome Blade used to require monolith.
huh, wonder why it was removed then
oh wait, biome blade
hollow shell
Yeah
eternal escarp
not the HM one lol
hollow shell
We coulda moved those mats onto True BB
Not sure why we didn't
eternal escarp
this sugg is more of a theme correction tbh, and i like that
hollow shell
Ye it's fine
ashen warren
guys come on the breathing reed is untapped potential here
hollow shell
New upgrade to Breathing Reed which is long enough to go out the top of the Abyss
eternal escarp
no joke, that sounds amazing
ashen warren
yeah requires 999 breathing reeds
eternal escarp
hollow shell
Glued together
eternal escarp
add a blowpipe too, and you can only shoot upwards at the cost of 1 oxygen bubble
tawny garden
New upgrade to Breathing Reed which is long enough to go out the top of the Abys...
does it weave around abyss "islands" as well?
eternal escarp
does it weave around abyss "islands" as well?
it should behave like the subnautica tube things 
cerulean estuary
no it breaks blocks
hollow shell
Yeah we'll use a really convoluted Primitive particle system to make it dynamically bend around blocks
tawny garden
it should behave like the subnautica tube things <:LeviKek:658879621198118918>
so, not work at all
gotcha
cerulean estuary
if it doesn't have a straight shot it'll make one
eternal escarp
exactly
tawny garden
in any case
eternal escarp
u just hold it and everything above you until water surface is gone
byeah
hollow shell
Yeah anyway
eternal escarp
the biome blade sugg is 
gray nebula
hehe
eternal escarp
oh uh
tawny garden
Rover, I blame you
hollow shell
You could have a bit more real reasoning in your sugg, Molten
tawny garden
ashen warren
best idea ever
hollow shell
And don't specify 999
eternal escarp
didnt expect that tbh
ashen warren
ah ok
cerulean estuary
we have a serious good suggestion followed by a bad meme suggestion, by the same person
tawny garden
it's a meme still, kind of
hollow shell
Meme suggs are indeed frowned upon
eternal escarp
from 100% to 0% real quick
cerulean estuary
he has the yin and yang
ashen warren
ah ok my bad
hollow shell
I do think we can do something with Breathing Reed considering we add two water biomes
eternal escarp
~~make them an actual viable weapon underwater when it becomes 1.4 ~~
ashen warren
true breathing reed 😳
tawny garden
tbf I feel like less than a quarter of Terraria's players know about the Breathing Reed's existence
fossil finch
ig he pressed enter
eternal escarp
yeah i thought he just pressed enter by accident lel
he might be editing who knows
cerulean estuary
that could be their whole suggestion though lmao
tawny garden
still
eternal escarp
that could be their whole suggestion though lmao
theres no reasoning
so i assume not
fossil finch
considering demonshade (along demon minion, and the buffs icons) have a new sprite for 1.5 doubt this would happen anyways
Specially with what we know of enrage mechanic changes
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message where did the rest of the sugg go?
tawny garden
enhage mechanic
grim tusk
tawny garden
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/8069994045603...
"the rest of sugg" never existed
cerulean estuary
truth is, the rest of the suggestion was never real
fossil finch
yeah this guy just
This guy just
died
cyan lagoon
@sinful pine if you're going to suggest something, you need a reason on why and what it specifically is supposed to be
eternal escarp
try adding the line seperation like the other suggestions
i think the bot might break if you dont
hollow shell
It will, in fact
fossil finch
Uhh well
Now, about it, with all the balancing stuff this is uhh
Kind of outdated
is it valid
hollow shell
@sinful pine Hold shift and press Enter to do a line break in your message
like this
Not that it matters much anyway
consdering post-ML is getting a huge rebalance next update
fossil finch
The enrage changes also uh
hollow shell
especially regarding SCal
eternal escarp
yeah
cerulean estuary
also if demonshade was getting better set bonus it'd be something other than funny revives
fossil finch
the demon is uh fine ~~it deals magic damage, ofc it's fine for me 
~~
eternal escarp
~~no hit armor for BR nohitters though ~~
fossil finch
the sugg does also not tell why is demonshade inferior to tesla
cerulean estuary
because no funny 7 revives 
fossil finch
did you know that, theoretically, with all the revives present as of know, you could facetank scal with them
cerulean estuary
"how do we balance this hard boss"
"what if, we made it do crazy damage"
"that sounds a bit too strong"
"but we make the armor used for it give 22 revives"
"your a genius"
hollow shell
You could theoretically facetank SCal with just Nebulous Core, provided you keep getting the 10% chance over and over
fossil finch
yeah
cerulean estuary
doo doo doo doo
fossil finch
other revives just make it easier
languid quartz
You could *theoretically* facetank SCal with just Nebulous Core, provided you ke...
dream strats
tawny garden
no dream required
you just need to change the variables on the fly
to give you 100% chance
zealous ridge
rng manipulation
molten quest
Advanced dice roll
hot zephyr
Zen is underused? What?
sinful pine
fixed my sugg
crude geode
Zen potion lets you create arenas without mobs harassing you
hot zephyr
It's so strong there's a suggestion in posting asking for a variation of it to be nerfed
rotund tree
because it's strong doesn't mean it can't be underused
brazen pier
I use it all the time
it has the same effectiveness of Ultimate Peaceful without the guilt of how OP unlimited buffs are
radiant meadow
It's so strong there's a suggestion in posting asking for a variation of it to b...
tbf Boss Zen is like five times stronger than just the potion
whole sedge
i use zen potions a ton because of how strong they are but this would definitely be nice to have in death
hot zephyr
tbf Boss Zen is like five times stronger than just the potion
Yeah, but still.
crude geode
Death random boss spawning is already underused as fuck.
You can go an entire playthrough without encountering it
earnest cape
@zenith hazel
zenith hazel
don't post random suggestions with random reasons, thanks @rancid saddle
at the very least, reword it
not sure how many times you've done smth like this in suggs channel byeah
earnest cape
a few too many time
sinful pine
i think either demonshade needs to be buffed or auric tesla needs to be nerfed
the latter would be difficult due to the nature of Auric Tesla.
ashen warren
stay away from post moon lord balance suggestions for now
post-ml is getting rebalanced
sinful pine
cuz big boi draedon
grim tusk
demonshade is glass cannon
and its actually pretty overpowered if you know what you're doing
earnest cape
demonshade is fine
sinful pine
yea i agree the funny revive armor is busted
grim tusk
its getting nerfed next patch too though with the armor split
melee, ranger and rogue wont have silva revive
and godslayer setbonus is getting reworked
earnest cape
your regen is also halved
sinful pine
oh right
earnest cape
the drawback makes it balanced
rancid saddle
don't post random suggestions with random reasons, thanks <@!703258208147472384>
I edited my reason while you deleted it
why
hollow shell
You can post it again with some better reasoning
iunno if there was anything salvagable in that old one
earnest cape
here's the message
zenith hazel
really didn’t seem like it
earnest cape
don't ask how I got this
rancid saddle
I was making an edit basically talking about how its pretty difficult to dodge duke fishrons dashes, but it can be overcomed, but the sheer amount makes it ridiculous
earnest cape
byeah change the wording since it's essentially just " 
boss hard"
earnest cape
~~I wonder how~~
🤫
zenith hazel
why didn’t you edit before posting the suggestion then?
rancid saddle
i did i was making a 3rd
zenith hazel
wh
uneven hawk
is it just me or does pre scal mage kinda suck? maybe a buff?
earnest cape
anyhow just post the sugg again
zenith hazel
we’ll cross that bridge when we get there
earnest cape
^
zenith hazel
we’re rebalancing pml
earnest cape
and postml balancing suggs are off limit currently since they're rebalancing postml
rancid saddle
is it just me or does pre scal mage kinda suck? maybe a buff?
you can beat him in like 2 mins with a wand of sparking upgrade
grim tusk
yea VV and Yermes are also amazing
Vivid Clarity is fine, Hado might need a rework (vores ph1 but shit on ph2), SsV needs a buff and to not vomit so much dust, Tesla cannon is big meme but its getting tier shifted so who cares, Voltaic climax is gonna be interesting
grim tusk
you can beat him in like 2 mins with a wand of sparking upgrade
old die + brimflame abuse
earnest cape
shut
safe oasis
ammo reduction chance has even less of an effect than movement speed so uh
cerulean estuary
movement speed cap go brrrrrrrr
hollow shell
However I do understand the want of this change
cuz, yknow
ammo consumption is a very Ranger stat
cerulean estuary
the point of other classes having a stat centered around the class but ranger having a very general stat still stands
earnest cape
tawny garden
"yield more of the weapon"
wh
earnest cape
more stuff per craft?
cobalt pewter
Ye
tawny garden
I'd explain it a bit better
cobalt pewter
Hm, how?
hollow shell
"craft more units at a time"?
cobalt pewter
Ah
tawny garden
Ye
earnest cape
yeh
hollow shell
That's prolly clearer
hollow shell
Would max stealth or stealth regen rate be better?
cobalt pewter
Max Stealth imo
cerulean estuary
Probably regen thinking about the others
cerulean estuary
Actually mage and meler both effectively get more attack speed with theirs 
Meler literally gets more attack speed, while mage has to regen less often meaning effectively kind of more attack speed
cobalt pewter
also considering the possibility of stealth formula rework, max Stealth would be marginally better than regen
cerulean estuary
stealth rework pog
earnest cape
that would be future sugg
tawny garden
~~that would be future sugg~~
Nope
tawny garden
even if you did, would've been ok
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
even max stealth as it is atm already directly boosts stealth damage in a way
earnest cape
tru
crude geode
Feedzuh back to his old habit of mass producing suggs
crude geode
ye, bot is down currently (for like 7 hours )
zealous ridge
unfortunate
rose latch
about the zen potion sugg, that would also apply to the candle too right
cobalt pewter
Feedzuh back to his old habit of mass producing suggs <:HDfailure:48226367815077...
Still respecting the limit tho because ech
I'll need to wait for these 2 suggs to actually go into voting because I can post any other one
tawny garden
about the zen potion sugg, that would also apply to the candle too right
Don't think so
tawny garden
I'll need to wait for these 2 suggs to actually go into voting because I can pos...
Good
crude geode
that is indeed the rule.
languid quartz
good feed
rose latch
seems
languid quartz
following rules
zealous ridge
Why would it be a downgrade exactly
It might not be as strong, but don’t they stack?
am I wrong about that, that’s what I had assumed
crude geode
they do, and you don't have to keep crafting candles unlike potions
zealous ridge
I would think crafting tranq candles would be great, then
rose latch
but no boss effect
zealous ridge
(zen has a boss effect?)
crude geode
natural boss spawning is something that happens in one gamemode, that is sometimes unnoticeable in game
rose latch
no natural spawns
crude geode
(in the suggestion's term at least)
tawny garden
The candle having the effect might be kinda op tho
crude geode
I really don't think it's that op.
zealous ridge
what would make it op
cerulean estuary
How lategame the candles are
crude geode
It's one tiny mechanic that you can sometimes not even encounter in a playthrough being prevented
cerulean estuary
Kinda makes it not op
tawny garden
Fair
rose latch
isn't the candle on a higher tier as well
zealous ridge
candles have their own downsides
cerulean estuary
Like if the candles were available at the same tier as zen pots the maybe
rose latch
or no
zealous ridge
namely they only affect an area rather than the player
rose latch
if it's higher tier then it's fine
cerulean estuary
It is
rose latch
yeah
rose latch
yeah
thought so
although I was kinda surprised when I came back and the potions were prehardmode
cerulean estuary
There's only 4 death nat spawn bosses post plant
rose latch
folly
crude geode
...every boss spawns naturally in deathmode
rose latch
while making arena a crazy bird approaches you
crude geode
which is what the suggestion is about.
zealous ridge
well it depends on what biome no?
zealous ridge
they would still spawn but I guess it wouldn’t be as terrible compared to like... dog spawning
rose latch
it wouldn't be to your detriment though
zealous ridge
that’s a bad comparison but w/e lol
crude geode
Tbh tho the reasoning on this suggestion is kinda eh. Zen potions are already incredibly useful due to driving down spawn rates like crazy, and death mode is meant to be difficult. Additionally, moving out of the biome is an option.
zealous ridge
It wouldn’t be detrimental really, so I think it’s fine to include for sake of inheriting
underused isn’t really accurate, I’d say
I think it’s an okay idea because random boss spawns is just annoying
rose latch
it would be very useful for pre hard mode for sure
zealous ridge
ends up not doing much unless you want it to
cerulean estuary
The post plant bosses that death nat spawns are aureus, duke, prof guards, and folly
rose latch
that's kills
cerulean estuary
Only folly could be seen as worth blocking imo, duke aureus are easy to avoid being in the biome, and prof guards are a piece of cake and avoidable
zealous ridge
I remember polter being a nat spawn, perhaps it isn’t a thing anymore
rose latch
but if nothing is spawning
zealous ridge
I know the kills spawn him
rose latch
then you aren't going to get kills
zealous ridge
I mean that I remember him spawning with something is approaching
earnest cape
im p sure polter can naturaly spawn
cerulean estuary
Polter spawn is based on killing an enemy a certain number of times
rose latch
it can
earnest cape
without kills
rose latch
I don't think so
zealous ridge
It may have been removed I’d have to check
rose latch
I'm pretty sure it's just kills
crude geode
insert laugh track
cerulean estuary
I have the wiki open and the only death mode nat spawns post ml are guards and folly
zealous ridge
Wiki doesn’t say anything about dmode spawns
I can vividly remember it happening though, so it’s confusing
rose latch
misfortune is so unlucky polterghast spawns even though it shouldn't be able to
zealous ridge
like I have almost zero doubts that it happened
earnest cape
indeed
zealous ridge
If I’m misremembering a fuck then it’s probably just the boss spawning with kills idk
that seems to be what wiki implies
cerulean estuary
According to the wiki, post slime god the death mod nat spawns are mech bosses, cryogen, calclone and plant (then the post plant i said earlier)
rose latch
I don't get spawns because I have 0 kda 😢
cerulean estuary
Mech bosses already have a spawn naturally thing so like eh
Cryogen just leave the biome
Plant could be a pain, and I think it would be useful exclusively for plant
cerulean estuary
Like that is the one boss I think being able to prevent death nat spawns is useful
Is plant
earnest cape
did you know plant can naturally spawn pre mechs
crude geode
this is kinda offtopic
earnest cape
indeed
cerulean estuary
I mean it's on the topic of the zen disabling death nat spawns sugg
Imo it'd be useful for plant and pointless for every other boss
crude geode
I think natural boss spawns need to be better established before you really need more prevention methods for them.
rose latch
folly?
crude geode
do what vanilla pre-boss does and only let bosses naturally spawn when you have a certain amount of defense/health.
cerulean estuary
two jungle bosses
crude geode
why they broke that trend with pre-mecha bosses idk
earnest cape
you're basically saying defense shouldn't scale the same way they do in vanilla w/ expert and master
i am
dumb
crude geode
cerulean estuary
Minimum defense for nat spawns, summoner go brrrrrr
rose latch
like a 'Fuck you' from the calamity mod
bitter drift
make the desert, hallow, corruption and crimson more difficult in death mode
in death mode most biomes are getting more difficult (the jungle, ice, underworld, underground and space)
it would make sense to make the rest of the biomes more difficult for death mode.
it doesn't have to be instant death like in the blizzards of the snow biome but it can be similar,
like a heat stroke during the dessert or increasing spawn rates while corrupting the animals in the crimson and corruption.
what do you think?
earnest cape
everything besides desert is alright
safe oasis
pretty sure reasoning being "it would make sense" is a don't
languid quartz
just getting landlocked right off spawn in death mode 
ice on one side, desert on the left, space above
you're mining down now™️
bitter drift
just getting landlocked right off spawn in death mode <:smugyon:3246355432688844...
depending on the placing of the evil biomes you would still be land locked xD
tawny garden
pretty sure reasoning being "it would make sense" is a don't
ig it's a consistency argument
languid quartz
yeah it's a decent suggestion
frail mantle
could be worded a bit differently, i feel
replacing the "it would make sense" with something like "it would be more consistent with the other Death Mode biomes"
frail mantle
fastest hand in the west
earnest cape
bitter drift
replacing the "it would make sense" with something like "it would be more consis...
right i should edit
frail mantle
eah
earnest cape
did someone take your y leon
frail mantle
i actually lack a y key and just ctrl+c ctrl+v the y whenever i need it
earnest cape
rose latch
no capital at the start of the title
I hate this
there are commas and full stops but no capitals
safe oasis
fuck the shift key
rose latch
all my homies hate the shift key
glass sentinel
you expect people to properly capitalise and use grammar in discord?
rose latch
it's a suggestion
crude geode
in discord, no
but we have higher standards in #suggestions-discussion . Like reading pins 
rose latch
for a message no
a suggestion is a formal document
the standards are higher for suggestions than writing laws
bitter drift
no capital at the start of the title
Ah please excuse me Sir.pizza i would rather not put my eyes on such tiny detail but for you i shall make an exception
speaking in British businessman accent because why not
earnest cape
rose latch
👌
zenith hazel
@bitter drift might want to consider that crimson and corruption do get harder in death
bitter drift
<@!454981073810620418> might want to consider that crimson and corruption do get...
- those are just the bushes unlike a blizzard or bleeding in jungle water it doesn't effect the biome that much
- the jungle has thorny bushes as well just they inflict poison not weakness
crude geode
kinda weird that the sulphurous sea isn't buffed at all by environmental effects
ping if you have feedback
cobalt pewter
I think Aleksh got an idea to make heat / cold immunity tiered / progressive throughout runs
But don't think he ever tried to expand on it yet
Also having Plague / Astral inflict unique versions of their debuffs that you can get in post-Golem Jungle / Astral Infection would make the effect of infection actually significant in feel
fossil finch
plague minibiom- :gone:
marble hazel
i think the point of deomnshade is that its supposed to be a nohitter armor or something
cobalt pewter
Maybe these versions of infection debuff can have their dmg cut relative to defense
Byeah
cobalt pewter
i think the point of deomnshade is that its supposed to be a nohitter armor or s...
It's just glass cannon, byeah
grim tusk
Did you say die 
tawny garden
yes?
grim tusk
Nah imma not start talking about old die again
sharp prism
God
distant gyro
this is why you use crimstone and/or put crimstone as the top layer
grim tusk
earnest cape
Incredible
half kayak
tf happened
bitter drift
a thorny bush went and hurt him
earnest cape
Cue to dank losing his brain cause a thorn grew at >10%
half kayak
a thorny bush went and hurt him
i didnt see it
earnest cape
Thats cause he had such bad rng it spawned on him and immediately broke
bitter drift
same xD but you can see that's the best solution
earnest cape
And killing him
bitter drift
earnest cape
Byeah
half kayak
f
half kayak
(current suggestion that i posted was reposted from a few months ago)
safe oasis
pretty sure they wont bother with that since it gets buffed in 1.4 and clam is gonna update to 1.4 eventually anyway
just useless work for devs
half kayak
oh when
eternal escarp
also it already has beta version iirc, so its in good pace actually
half kayak
is there news im missing
safe oasis
wait theres a beta?
eternal escarp
not public afaik
half kayak
guess that 196 star suggestion is going to waste lol
eternal escarp
byeah its in very early testing i think
safe oasis
still good to know
tepid root
tml is open source its very much public
tawny garden
not public afaik
you can play the beta right now
cobalt pewter
p much yes
eternal escarp
you can play the beta right now
thanks for correcting me, im not really updated with the stuff, i just read what people say in this server
eternal escarp
tml is open source its very much public
^
safe oasis
where do you get the beta
tawny garden
tml server
radiant meadow
Someone care to explain how beta tmod relates to a suggestion right now?
sharp prism
it doesnt 
shrewd solar
Weren’t trapper bulbs removed?
shrewd solar
Scam
civic notch
hearty yew
This is a little awkward because I have already stated publicly that I'm gonna kill boss zen in the abyss when I fix boss zen exploits
The suggestion is appreciated though
:+1:
tawny garden
you should've said that when the sugg was posted
or do you have #suggestions-posting muted? 
pine star
crude geode
Probably busy with actual dev things instead of streaming MGR: R.
That and bot management.
@zenith hazel can you slap a 🛠️ on the boss zen suggestion
hearty yew
~~you should've said that when the sugg was posted~~
I do, yes. I don't care for suggestions that aren't voted on
Thats why I'm always late on this stuff
I check this channel rarely
tawny garden
ah
hearty yew
But I look at every suggestion in #suggestions-voting
tawny garden
tawny garden
this is a better idea than #suggestions-voting message just because OOA shouldn't exist
radiant merlin
played fargo once
i do not want to play fargo again
but i still want to be able to throw around vesuvius without needing to get the Rare Items Merchant addon for calamity. also why doesn't he sell the malachite/leonid progenitor
safe oasis
feel like the reasoning could be improved
whole sedge
I mean yeah reasoning is kinda lacking and I lack to see why you couldn't really just use fargo's mutant mod and why calamity has to add a betsy spawner but 
radiant merlin
I mean yeah reasoning is kinda lacking and I lack to see why you couldn't really...
There was no real reason for calamity to make betsy drop something at a 1% rate 🤷♀️
whole sedge
There was of the developers wanted to have a betsy themed legendary
knotty moat
"another mod already fixes this"
"yes but i dont want to use that mod, why did the developers want to add a legendary for a boss? cater to my needs dammit"
zealous ridge
Vesuvius is a standout case with it being the only event-tied legendary, and the boss only spawns once per event no less
add on top there being a time gate for the event as well, and you’ve got a very stupid to grind item given a 1% droprate
I don’t really know if a Betsy summon would be the best way to go about helping this
whole sedge
Really a better way would be to increase the drop rate due to it being an event-tied boss and one of the most hated and painful events to go through anyways
or just having challenges for legendaries but shh
zealous ridge
the better answer would probably be to make legendaries as a whole better about this kind of thing, yes
eternal escarp
ik legendaries will be changed someday soon
theres a plan to make them drop on enraged bosses, and not just luck iirc
zealous ridge
that sounds a bit obtuse to understand inherently but it will depend methinks
eternal escarp
not sure when this change comes to life though, there is planned to have an item like defiled run or smthn as a new difficulty afaik
no idea how that idea fairs with Betsy though
since its not really a boss, nor does it have an enrage iirc
languid quartz
maybe enraged betsy will be outside of OOA or smth
crude geode
theres a plan to make them drop on enraged bosses, and not just luck iirc
Feedzuh made a suggestion regarding specific challenges for each boss (such as Nighttime Provi)
languid quartz
maybe enraged betsy will be outside of OOA or smth
which does mean they'd have to add a summon of sorts
we'll see ig
but since all other legendary drops are being changed I assume something will happen with vesuvius
zealous ridge
Betsy is on a tightrope regarding boss-hood
crude geode
The better better option would be to stop acting like OOA isn’t the reason why Betsy is so obtuse.
zealous ridge
retains some aspects of bosses, others not
eternal escarp
replied to this
zealous ridge
The better better option would be to stop acting like OOA isn’t the reason why B...
I don’t really know who’s saying that
I thought that’s what we were talking under the pretense of
OOA is the reason Betsy is so annoying to grind, otherwise she’s her own boss essentially
eternal escarp
ooa itself is just slow and tedious, thats what i hate about it
crude geode
the better answer would probably be to make legendaries as a whole better about ...
In regards to this message Byeah
zealous ridge
Well they are seperate cases I suppose
but I mean, I don’t really like legendaries overall
crude geode
You literally need to drastically lower the health of all the enemies, speed them up immensely, and make it so you can send waves early by right clicking on the crystal.
zealous ridge
Vesuvius is an edge case that is harshly affected by how legendaries are obtained, but all of them need help imo
bc the idea of it doesn’t make much sense to me
it’s like RIVs
eternal escarp
You literally need to drastically lower the health of all the enemies, speed the...
y e s
100% that will just make it better imo
50% more
rn its just them tanking through untill your piercing weapons are useless / you are overpowered for it
crude geode
it’s like RIVs
It’s not usually meant to be obtained in a normal playthrough but people in calamity are already willing to grind out mastering difficult bosses (see the no-hit community).
zealous ridge
that’s the issue partially, yes
the rarity doesn’t matter because people will get it if they think they need it
And because it’s often a really good weapon you’re gonna get it
Random chance rarity doesn’t do anything to gate content, imo
at least in the case of mob drops
rarity by difficulty to obtain is how I would go about changing them
as in its consistent but hard to execute
crude geode
mhm, as in challenges like doing nighttime providence.
zealous ridge
hence why I like the idea of making challenges for obtaining them
eternal escarp
i mean, i personally find it unique, and they will change the enraged stuff
zealous ridge
it depends on what enrages do
Don’t have enough context for it right now
they may be thinking something completely different
crude geode
plus most enrages that matter are “fuck you, die”
whole sedge
If enrages aren't just like +125% damage and +x health then yeah that'd probably be good really
eternal escarp
enrages will be changed basically
prolly not like
entire new AI
byeah who knows
zealous ridge
and if fabsol’s ire towards master mode means anything I think stat bloat in a similar fashion would be avoided at any turn
that’s the hope at least, haha
eternal escarp
you wont have to play master thankfully
crude geode
literally the entire terraria community hates master mode and for good reason
Byeah. Off topic by this point, really.
eternal escarp
#calamity-update-talk message the link to that convo, byeah
zealous ridge
I think the enrage system will be interesting
crude geode
OOA is in such a need of a tune up.
zealous ridge
yeah
whole sedge
If OOA actually got some love it could probably actually be pretty good but we will see if that ever happens
crude geode
It’s been ignored for way too long, despite being a vanilla event with levels of gear at Acid Rain totals.
zealous ridge
I don’t really know if I want ooa to be touched
But I guess it wouldn’t be uncharacteristic
I would like that as a general mod, though
imagine a mod that actually made ooa good
distant gyro
it wouldn't be courteous to tell people "hey don't change our dedicated items without permission from the dedicatee" then pull a 180 and say "hey what's up crossover event let me just make you something you weren't supposed to be in the first place"
molten quest
I like how all the OOA suggestions are related to either rogue or the vesuvius
Sometimes its different, but for the most part, its those two-
tawny garden
I like how all the OOA suggestions are related to either rogue or the vesuvius
those are the only things Calamity adds that are at least somewhat related to OOA
tawny garden
neither do most people
molten quest
I only care about it when I'm doing a revengence mage playthrough because of the vesuvius, and even then, most of the stuff at that point are just better than it. I only get it to flex that I have it-
rain basalt
We should lower the nerf of Chlorophyte Bullet and Stardust Dragon
wooden wedge
(reason?)
crude geode
Chlorophyte bullets are nerfed because they’re homing. Anything with homing generally has lower damage to make up for you hitting every shot and not having to aim.
rain basalt
Yes but the nerf makes them absolutely useless
crude geode
I can’t even find the notes for chlorophyte bullets nerf in weapon balancing on the wiki
dapper coral
crude geode
Ah ty
20% less is fucking nothing when compared to some of the nerfs other things got (laser machine gun).
Like I get it’s a lot for guns but it’s so dumb and stupidly good, even with the nerf.
dapper coral
besides, i'd argue that nerfing chloro means that players will be a little riskier with their bullet choices instead of going for braindead homing all the time
and it's not like it's unusable, it's still pretty good
radiant merlin
We should lower the nerf of Chlorophyte Bullet and Stardust Dragon
No.
rain basalt
besides, i'd argue that nerfing chloro means that players will be a little riski...
sorry
radiant merlin
There's like 10 bullet types added in calamity that you should use instead.
Braindead homing disincentivises strategy. If you want to derp out and not have to focus on aiming go summoner.
crude geode
“strategy”
using the best avaliable bullet at a given tier isn’t difficult, and neither is holding your cursor over Levi. Homing is an advantage, but to say not using homing requires that much “strategy” is kinda ridiculous.
pine star
1>0
grim tusk
Dragon might need its nerf to be reduced but completely removed def no (or remove some of the resistance Deus has against it)
Vanilla dragon is busted as fuck
Heck before the nerf it deleted post-ML worms
crude geode
Mhm
I think it might need a nerf reduction, or remove some of the resistance Deus has against it. It’s such a heavy downgrade in stats I can’t see it being very useable.
crude geode
Is the lore actually being reworked still?
pine star
yes
crude geode
For over a year now.
pine star
yes
gray nebula
Well
uh.
Awesome suggestion actually. I agree!
Im sure uh
The suggestion will make the lore release instantanelously as soon as it gets approved????
????????????????????????? no for real i have no idea what this suggestion is asking for
"work faster"??
hollow shell
(The in-game lore tablets are pretty epic imo cuz they put lore in the game rather than only on an external source)
hardy dock
Yeah the low tablets are the best
crude geode
(They are, shame we don’t have any more of it)
hardy dock
The illustrations are pretty great
crude geode
I understand that writing can be as difficult as coding, and I’m sure there’s probably like two devs dedicated to it when compared to those coding...but to not have any progress shown when we have constant changelogs and two pretty big updates is kind of lacking imo.
hardy dock
What is there to update when the lore is supposed to stay secret?
hardy dock
At least for a while
I can’t speak for Calamity, but being a lore writer for another mod myself, there really isn’t anything we can share that isn’t shared already
hardy dock
Astral Affinity
hot zephyr
The lore is being worked on, pretty frequently actually. It's just going to take awhile.
All we can do is wait patiently.
hollow shell
The lore channel in dev is moderately active/inactive
There's short exchanges every few days
Mrrp's working on stuff like NPC dialogue and future Bestiary entries
I don't know what his progress is on Lore lore, the prose on the wiki
crude geode
Oh god future bestiary entries are gonna be hell considering acid rain and abyss
zealous ridge
why would they be hell
hollow shell
Many
crude geode
^
hardy dock
I am curious to see it though
zealous ridge
at least it doesnt have to be a 5 paragraph thesis on why water leech is important to yharim's rule
crude geode
It really depends on how much effort is being put into each bestiary note as well. If it’s like vanilla’s bestiary, it’s not too bad, but if it’s a paragraph or so each then it’s a nightmare considering the amount.
zealous ridge
yeah, id say just go with vanilla's precedent of 1-3 sentences
that sounds fine to me
hardy dock
I'm guessing it'll be around the length or shorter
hardy dock
And there's a lot of copy+pasting you can do
zealous ridge
idk if id want it to be longer for UI reasons
hardy dock
Like with the Sentinels and Donuts
zealous ridge
but i mean, its not exactly in the way so it doesnt matter that much
the formatting would just be awkward
hot zephyr
You don't understand what team you're talking about, perfectionism is Calamity's middle name.
hardy dock
oof
zealous ridge
not to say there isnt a precedent for making content good or trying too hard
hardy dock
Calamity's true middle name, tho
hot zephyr
is Jimothy
hardy dock
Is pain
hardy dock
is Jimothy
crude geode
I thought it was Drunk Coding
hardy dock
that's Terraria's middle name my guy
crude geode
No Terraria’s middle name is Abyssal Nightmare Code
hardy dock
true
zealous ridge
whatever lets make a suggestion about changing CALAMITY's middle name
progress update on lore would be fun but i would prefer Mrrp work at a pace they can manage, makin progress updates could be a push factor to shit out bad content lol
hardy dock
why is it that whenever i want to make a real suggestion i always forget it just before making it
crude geode
Write the idea down in a google doc
hot zephyr
The point that I'm getting at, is that Calamity lore takes a long time, and all that needs to be done is to wait.
crude geode
in the future*
hardy dock
the thing is i already have a suggestions doc
i just forget to use it
im a forgetful guy
crude geode
zealous ridge
i dont mind the extremely complex and nuanced lore (auric tesla dna) of calamity being rewritten away from public eye as long as there's a promise it will happen, really, the lore doesnt matter enough for me to care bout it like that
crude geode
I care about the lore somewhat more than the average player, but I’m mainly gonna look and see who cares about lore (likely very little)
hardy dock
id say i care about lore a lot too, and honestly i think progress updates would only make lorewriting harder cus either people will beg for more details, or harass the folks to change the details already shared
fossil finch
ig some bestiary entries will also be changed, right?
hardy dock
Thats true
zealous ridge
well all of them will have to be made
fossil finch
stuff like
haha brain three times bigger than the skull looooooooool
hardy dock
Theyll have to be
fossil finch
i also do not understand why they showed that in
I'd like it if the bestiary talked more about biology, i mean, it was writen by the zoologist
crude geode
Terraria lore 
hardy dock
wasnt it written by the player for the zoologist
i mean you can still fill it out when you dont have a zoologist
hollow shell
I don't think it was written by the Zoologist
yeah
I think it's just omniscient third person
We will probably need to poke the lore entries to fit into Calamity
Maybe we can add our own lore beneath the vanilla lore, tinted red, showing what's Calamity canon rather than vanilla canon
^ prime example
Mech bosses have nothing to do with Cthulhu in Cal lore
hardy dock
yeah
robust lava
Do we know if the Bestiary entries are going to be written from Yharim’s perspective as well?
hollow shell
Unlikely
fossil finch
as does skeletron, who is also on that list
I wonder if you could totally replace them, tho
hollow shell
We already have Lore items for that purpose
fossil finch
if you can totally replace them i am gonna pull a fucking pikmin
hollow shell
Skeletron's lore isn't too bad
languid quartz
it's probably going to be the same omniscient 3rd person and you can just canonically say it's xeroc
hollow shell
I can see why "former tyrant" would end up being confusing
hardy dock
yeah lol
languid quartz
fossil finch
And write entire piklopedia-like entries for every enemy on the game
ok my ranting aside
fossil finch
We will probably need to poke the lore entries to fit into Calamity
Maybe we can...
uhh
Yeah skeletron lore has the cthulhu problem with the tyrant thingy
But if you are gonna do this then ok ig
zealous ridge
you could go piklopedia route
zealous ridge
fucking Draedon gives cooking tips for every monster
fossil finch
crude geode
DoG cooks better
pine star
:omegafailure:
hollow shell
Our Skeletron lore item says "The curse is said to only affect the elderly. After they are afflicted they become an immortal vessel for an ancient demon of the underworld."
Considering we have Hell armies in canon, i.e. "Sword of an ancient demon lord" in Bladecrest Oathsword's tooltip RIP tooltips for the upgrades, Skeletron's bestiary entry isn't unfitting as is
zealous ridge
could argue hes a hell tyrant, yeah
pine star
using bladecrest oathsword against skeletron be like
hardy dock
oof
languid quartz
copy pasting lore entries into the bestiary
hollow shell
I mean
hardy dock
Vanilla does it a good bit
hollow shell
Considering Lore items no longer serve any functional purpose
We could put our lore item text into the Bestiary
and have a lil Yharim head symbol next to them
and no longer have em as items
languid quartz
that could be pretty cool ngl
hardy dock
yeah
tawny garden
I'd like to see the actual [[Lore]] somewhere in the game
red stormBOT
hollow shell
Would be nice
crude geode
I’d still argue Iban’s idea of giving them cool vanity effects based on the boss is neat
fossil finch
add an npc and a lot of small gameplay details to explain lore without text
languid quartz
we already have draedon tablets which are dope, the bestiary has a lot of potential lore wise
tawny garden
the wiki is rn the primary source of information
which it should never be
hollow shell
byeah the wiki should never ever be a primary source
But at the moment it's most convenient for it to be
Cuz before it was the forum post
and that's a bitch to update
Because only Fab can do it
tawny garden
and he's lazy
hollow shell
He's got better stuff to do with his time
tawny garden
yeah
hollow shell
It prolly wouldn't be an issue if the Terraria forums let more than one person edit a post
but, nah
tawny garden
also who uses Terraria Forums unironically
hollow shell
This is an understandable sugg
However, do note that it is the upgrade of a magic weapon
And the melee/ranged weapon it upgrades into is a Patron item
frail mantle
eah
rancid saddle
consider prismatic breaker, the "upgrade" (but how?) is a combination of soltice claymore and it
its supposed to the a combo ranger and melee weapon
hollow shell
It was not the dev's choice
dapper coral
cosmic rainbow is just
funny
because it's just very ambiguous in terms of what it """should""" be
hollow shell
I'd rather not change existing mod content to suit Patron content
cuz Patron content is... wacky
rancid saddle
wait its patron content
hollow shell
Prismatic Breaker is.
rancid saddle
anyway its waack
radiant meadow
If the patron had their way, the sword wouldn't have been melee at all
crude geode
@rancid saddle Cosmic Rainbow is a magic weapon specifically because it uses the Hallow Chest’s weapon, The Rainbow Gun, and specifically uses it’s rainbows
hollow shell
It would be possible code-wise for us to overwrite its damage type if needed
rancid saddle
<@703258208147472384> Cosmic Rainbow is a magic weapon specifically because it u...
I guess that makes sense but the prismatic breaker suggests its a ranger weapon and its sprite is a bow
maybe make it like a ranger magic weapon
crude geode
Prismatic Breaker should not be counted because it’s a funny oc patreon weapon
rancid saddle
oh its a meme weapon?
crude geode
no, it’s just that patreon weapons are very poorly designed sometimes
hollow shell
All Patron content should be treated with a degree of separation from main Cala content
crude geode
^
hollow shell
Cuz it's not the dev's choice
crude geode
Rainbow Gun is called a gun, why does it not do ranged damage?
hollow shell
If Prismatic was a pure Cala non-Patron item, then yeah your sugg would have pretty much no qualms
rancid saddle
yeah soz i didn't know it was a parton item lol
hollow shell
But with Prismatic being as it is, you should prolly edit your reason to acknowledge its status
rancid saddle
imma just delete it
hollow shell
Aight 👍
hollow shell
That could be an option
crude geode
Hybrids die
Plus magic guns already exist called the rainbow gun and space gun. It’s just the fact that it’s a bow this time that’s screwing everyone up
mint orchid
Why do people always put a ? on there suggestion
crystal iron
I think it's just a few people and it seem like a habit idk tho
crude geode
It’s a habit I stole inherited from ThomasThePencil
pine star
thomas is famous
crude geode
It’s mostly a habit from when suggestion voting was posting and you didn’t have the bot embedding things
Helped space out the suggestion between reasoning and the title
hollow shell
Ah
safe oasis
@zenith hazel
sleek turret
@wary silo meme channel suggestions aren't allowed.
read the pins.
and the google doc.
safe oasis
very cool 👍
heady storm
Yeah what Kaizo said.
cobalt pewter
I'd say reword the title to signify on servant ignoring capabilities instead of referencing Nanoblack
glass sentinel
^
safe oasis
oh yeah fair point
glass sentinel
but then people will complain that weapons dont home in on minions
hardy dock
I like weapons homing on minions tbh
safe oasis
cursor might be too hard to like implement
i chose servant ignoring because the code is already there
so its easier on the devs
rose latch
ignoring the minions would be kinda annoying
the minions would just stack up
and minions die fast anyway
so the dps loss is negligible
cobalt pewter
I'd say the servants in cal are relatively flawed for the most part
Most of them serve as nothing but annoyance
safe oasis
oh wait wouldnt a better suggestion be to right click to focus a target like summons
rose latch
ignoring the tentacles
safe oasis
brb editing
rose latch
that would be hard to implement
hollow shell
You'd have some issues with weapons that have right click functions
rose latch
and some weapons have right click
hollow shell
admittedly a minority of weps
rose latch
yeah
safe oasis
i dont think any right click weapons have any homing properties though right
rose latch
shredder
safe oasis
oh yeah nvm
cobalt pewter
A lot
safe oasis
chad brain moment 
cobalt pewter
In cal right click is arguably a good lot iirc
rose latch
with chloro bullets
safe oasis
could be middle click or something
glass sentinel
glass sentinel
press down all 3 mouse buttons at the same time then press m1 to the beat of scal's lament phase
then ta daaaaaa
rose latch
lil follies
safe oasis
for some bosses not killing the minions is worse
well you dont need to use homing weapons for every single boss
plantera is fairly easy to target
glass sentinel
except for ion blaster
safe oasis
doesnt move much either
glass sentinel
generally aiming in cal is a death trap
unless you're a tank
or can actually aim
glass sentinel
terraria spray control when?
rose latch
facts
glass sentinel
yea and other worms
safe oasis
hm
so whats a good middle ground between servant ignoring and normal
maybe like different bullets that do each or something?
glass sentinel
minion targetting
safe oasis
or a toggle button in config
glass sentinel
safe oasis
brings up issues with right click weapons as mentioned prior
safe oasis
might just post another suggestion with the right click targeting idea if that's allowed
whichever gets more votes wins
rose latch
check the rules in the pins
safe oasis
ive read rules before, not sure if it vaguely counts as the "in response to another suggestion" dont
kind of a gray area
rose latch
ask rover I guess
hollow shell
As long as the suggestion doesn't explicitly reference the prior one, you can make a suggestion with a similar topic as a prior one.
It's usually not recommended though, cuz then you create a false competition
It's good to space them out, so people don't split their votes
(You wouldn't want 210 people agreeing with homing being strange in the presence of servants, but then 30 or 40 of them decide to only vote for the specific solution they prefer slightly more, resulting in neither sugg surpassing 200)
safe oasis
might post the other one in a few weeks from now then i guess. thanks
hollow shell
Ye
Few weeks might be a bit extreme, lol. You can give it a few days at most
safe oasis
alright, thanks for the help
hollow shell
👍
civic pond
@hollow shell brooo
heady storm
He is now green.
hollow shell
Epic
golden narwhal
rose latch
hollow shell
brief unepic
tawny garden
bitter drift
<@454981073810620418> i love u
from where that came from?! xD
heady storm
My penultimate resuggestion.
hollow shell
👍
heady storm
(I can actually.)
crude geode
It’s called a bluecheck iirc
heady storm
The previous suggestion that did reach is now prior to the bluecheck cutoff date.
heady storm
(He was the one who told me I could. )
marble hazel
from where that came from?! xD
wholesome af
tawny garden
crude geode
hollow shell
Admittedly it's not explicitly stated anywhere
But I've been operating under the rule that the personal repost obeys the same cut-off date as the bluecheck
tawny garden
it should be stated somewhere