suggestions-discussion

[tawny garden]

apart from Lumenyl/Depth Cells

[eternal escarp]

ectoblood

[cobalt pewter]

Ectoblood

[tawny garden]

Ectoblood is dead already

[hot zephyr]

Ectoblood needs to come back

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

iirc

[eternal escarp]

oh really?

good

ectoblood is ectogone

[tawny garden]

I think

[eternal escarp]

to never come ectoback

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[eternal escarp]

[cobalt pewter]

Solstice's sugg on ectoblood is on approval hell

So idk

[eternal escarp]

atleast enchanted metal is gone kapoof

[tawny garden]

there was some talk about it

🛠️ isn't on it tho

so idk

[eternal escarp]

so its a maybe ig

byeah most of the items on the list could just use more recipes instead of removal

[hot zephyr]

We need a Phantoplasm equivalent to Ectoblood

[tawny garden]

shut off

[eternal escarp]

phantoflesh

[cobalt pewter]

Ian no

don't post that sprite

[sharp prism]

post the sprite

[tawny garden]

post the sprite

🥺

[sharp prism]

🥺 ** **

[eternal escarp]

2 vs 1

[tawny garden]

the ayes have it

unlock

[sharp prism]

ian really just said that and left

[zealous ridge]

He got taken out

[hot zephyr]

[zealous ridge]

thanks I hate it

anyways

[tawny garden]

it's cool tho

[zealous ridge]

what, ech?

[eternal escarp]

i need echtoblood instead of ectoblood now

[sharp prism]

gonna

gonna make a phanto equivalent of ectoblood because im bored

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[tawny garden]

hageblood

offtopic

[sharp prism]

i will show my progress soon™️

[zealous ridge]

ok probably do that in art or general or whatever

aw, I’m checking back at some suggestions

I think I may rewrite this one and see if anything comes of it

This one was about old duke’s scales, and converting them into a pair of wings

[tawny garden]

(doesn't really seem like calamity's problem, but y'know, the sugg is fine)

[zealous ridge]

I think it’s fair enough

[tawny garden]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

at the same time I feel like there’s a good amount added in this realm already

so I’m unsure?

[fossil finch]

there are some t2 arsenal weapons

[tawny garden]

might want to change some recipes as well

[fossil finch]

and y and f
but most equipment upgrades are post three mechs yeah

[zealous ridge]

T2 arsenal, and a few misc weapons on their own

[tawny garden]

instead of only adding new stuff

[fossil finch]

avenger emblem, hallowed rune, angel threads

[zealous ridge]

There’s a good amount, I thought?

you’ve got majestic guard, ion cannon, infernal rift, speed blaster, stuff like that

Not exactly accessories or armors, but they’re items you can pick up

It’s certainly an improvement over the grand total of items only using souls of fright for example

Answer: one

The flamethrower

oh wait there’s naughty present

why would you ever count that though LOL

[hot zephyr]

It's all fun and games until Hallowed Ore spawns in the underground hallow

[zealous ridge]

Scared

[sharp prism]

[cobalt pewter]

A decent chunk of weapons use one of the three mech souls ye

Like T2 Arsenal

[eternal escarp]

ive just checkedingame

[zealous ridge]

tier 2 Arsenal is the example everyone says which I don’t really get aside from it being a recognizable thing

I always think about majestic guard

funny lil weapon

[cobalt pewter]

Arsenals are more significant than random weapons ig

[distant gyro]

because it's new

[cobalt pewter]

And new maybe yes

[distant gyro]

it's not dualpoon, or exorcism, or speed blaster etc

[zealous ridge]

I guess but it’s not that new

maybe newest

[distant gyro]

and themed I guess

[cobalt pewter]

No one remembers Exorcism

Now that you mentioned it

[zealous ridge]

I DO

cool weapon

[eternal escarp]

6 weapons use sight solely
7 weapons use might solely
8 weapons use fright solely (+fearmonger set)
this isnt only post mech stuff and only calamity items byeah

[cobalt pewter]

I forgot I wanted to sugg about reducing the cost of Nychthemeron

[real steppe]

So I think what happened about Polter

[eternal escarp]

there is no recipe to use only 2 of the 3 i believe

[real steppe]

1. Was weak
2. Got that arena enrage that made it batshit strong
3. Said arena enrage got removed
4. Polter is back at 1

[eternal escarp]

not in cal / vanilla atleast

[real steppe]

?

[cobalt pewter]

Arena enrage was never removed

[real steppe]

oh

[cobalt pewter]

Just tweaked a lot iirc

[real steppe]

makes sense

[cobalt pewter]

And tweaked further in 1.5

[distant gyro]

ton of nerfs

which is ironic considering the whole reason it was considered too weak was the big arena was too worth it of a decision

[eternal escarp]

this happens with like, mostly every boss with a material drop afaik
and i dont see the problem with doing the boss 1 more time with a bit of upgraded gear if you used materials wisely

mechs you fight all 3, and youd prolly get atleast like, 80 hallowed bars which is prolly enough for the set + 2/3 weapons

the others i kindof understand blike, the curve atm is prty big so refighting a boss with 1 weapon that comes after them really isnt as difficult as doing the same in HM, although thisll prolly change next update

[zealous ridge]

18 bars for pickaxe, 54 for hallowed armor

that’s just over 70

What I’m confused about is getting hallowed armor because not everyone’s gonna do that

the pickaxe is something a lot more people are gonna do

[molten quest]

So they can get chlorophyte-

[zealous ridge]

yeah

Way more efficient

[meager tangle]

Yeah, but what I’m saying is that you don’t get enough for any real upgrades on the first kill, so you have to beat it again with the same gear anyway

[eternal escarp]

and a weapon uses at the very least 12, and tbh just refight one of them once, really isnt that annoying imo

[zealous ridge]

hallowed armor isn’t too worth picking up

[eternal escarp]

the weapons are

thats why i always make weapons before armor when getting materials

[zealous ridge]

that’s a given

[eternal escarp]

weapons also cost way less

so you can make like, 5 hallowed weapons + pickaxe

since most hallowed bar weapons cost between 12 to 5 in post mechs

[zealous ridge]

you can get screwed by rng and get bad drop rates

huh?

okay I’ll check that I’m sure you can check in game but like

[eternal escarp]

im checking rn

most weapons in hallow tier use from the range of 2 to 12 it seems

accesories like Electricians glove use 15

unmbraphile armor takes like, 24 hallowed bars

the biggest hallow bar consumers are the hallow armor itself and drax / pickaxe axe

[zealous ridge]

2 hallowed bars for a weapon

imagine

that’s nyca?

[eternal escarp]

ye

[zealous ridge]

because that would be 20 bars overall

and 10 light and dark shards

Which... GOD

[eternal escarp]

most people dont even make this weapon, but feedzuh can confirm how good it is

in certain circumstances

[zealous ridge]

this weapon is insane it’s just wacky

[eternal escarp]

hallowed rune costs 18

accesories cost more then almost all the weapons lmao

how much Cosmilite does DoG drop?

whats the range? i cant really check wiki rn

[zealous ridge]

something something 24-40 idk

[molten quest]

25-35 in normal, 30-39 in expert

[cobalt pewter]

The weapon is too expensive to get the whole thing yes

[zealous ridge]

30-39

[cobalt pewter]

Added that the shards are asshats to get

[zealous ridge]

could make them craftable in stacks of two

[cobalt pewter]

@pastel crow could also attest to that

[eternal escarp]

the forge, which is a must make, takes 5 bars
the full armor sets takes 23+18+14, do the math im lazy
most accesories (excluding Rampart, which uses 20) cost 5
this takes most if not all your cosmilite already, but the thing is you can use them smartly to get gear that can just make refighting the boss not a big deal

[zealous ridge]

but the shards are kind of horrid

[eternal escarp]

ill take 36 as the middle grounds of bars ig

[zealous ridge]

I wouldn’t go to make the armor immediately

mostly because of the resource limits

a shiny weapon should be enough to murder him agian

[pastel crow]

Of course, that thing has a patreon doner level of crafting to it

[zealous ridge]

but it’s still annoying

[cobalt pewter]

I wanted to sugg about it but I lost today's quota

In any case, I feel like making the Hallowed Bar and Spiky Balls higher with the resulting spiky balls made in stacks of 5 would be nicer imo

[dapper coral]

(fyi nychthemeron will not be godtier in 1.5)

[zealous ridge]

unfortunate

[cobalt pewter]

(okay then maybe nerf the recipe?)

[zealous ridge]

can it get a recipe nerf tho

LOL

[eternal escarp]

36-5=31, you need the forge
31-(weapons, range from 12-2 (2 because God's Paranoia))
lets say u took 2 weapons, thats 24 max
31-24=7
7 is enough for 1 acc upgrade ig
to me it seems like refighting the boss wouldnt take that much of a problem, assuming you use your gear wisely, but tbh just getting a new weapon from the next tier should be enough

[dapper coral]

yeah idc about that part lol
just saying since yall were saying how gamer god it is

recipe nerf gud

[zealous ridge]

m

[cobalt pewter]

It is god tier atm, but sad to see it gone

[eternal escarp]

well apotheosis costs 33 cosmilite, but do i really count that?

[cobalt pewter]

hopefully the little trick I have with the weapon's stealth strike would still stand in 1.5

[eternal escarp]

about scal i feel like it makes sense, at the moment since rn her stuff is used for every dev tier weapon, and next update itll need scal and draedon

so i kinda agree with scal and how she can drop more of her material

actually wait, how much does she drop?

about 40 right?

[molten quest]

Mainly the same as how much dog drops cosmolite

20-30 in normal, 30-40 in expert

[eternal escarp]

so thats basically 35 shadowspec
about 2/3rd of weapons cost 5 bars

armor costs 15+11+8
thats 34 bars

it is quite a lot tbh

[molten quest]

Unrelated note: I like the resprited demonshade armor, it looks less like a vanity set-

[eternal escarp]

it does look very good, yeah

spriters did a good job, cant wait (well i can) to see it ingame

also, scal does drop 1 dev weapon each kill

which makes all the shadowspec stuff less intense, byeah it is a bit more costly then the others

[molten quest]

She does that in expert mode or higher though-

[eternal escarp]

byeah overall, imo you can just manage your resources better

most players play expert anyway, so im going by the majority

[molten quest]

Yeah

[eternal escarp]

sugg itself is valid though, just wanted to say that

[molten quest]

Normal mode is pretty weird when doing a calamity playthrough-

[eternal escarp]

atleast im prty sure its valid, doesnt seem to break a dont

[zealous ridge]

okay so Imma ask how you guys feel about old duke’s scales being turned into wings, I’m rewriting this suggestion and I wonder if there’s any input for this

like, is this wing approach a good idea?

[eternal escarp]

every tier in post ML gets a wing i believe, expect post polter

so i think its gonna be cool

(post DoG will have a wing next update since silva shift and stuff)

[zealous ridge]

yeh

there’s also godslayer booster

[eternal escarp]

go for it, assuming it wont cross any "dont" lol

[zealous ridge]

I’ve suggested it before, I’m mostly just asking because it didn’t get to star req

I’m wondering if there’s a better way to help od scales than this

[eternal escarp]

idk tbh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous ridge]

hm

I think I’ll try again with the wings then, probably rewrite though so I guess I’ll post the wording for improvements

nevermind I’m too lazy

[eternal escarp]

F

[ashen warren]

yo regarding that new dog attack in sugg voting

can I add this: DoG creates several portals around you where he will rapidly teleport out and in from one portal to another like say 5 times for example.Then finally charges at you

[zealous ridge]

Convert the Old Duke’s Scales into an Old Duke-themed pair of wings.

The Old Duke’s main accessory drop attempts to juxtapose Fishron Wings by offering defensive benefits, but ends up falling flat on it’s face as a stand-alone item due to its strange conditional damage boosts and awkwardly implemented debuff immunities. The scales aren’t worth picking up for these reasons; it’s effects are hard to actively maintain or even notice in many cases. Simply put, the accessory needs something new.

Since the post-polterghast tier currently lacks any, a good way to rework the scales may be to turn it into a pair of wings. It could still inherit more defensive effects at the expense of more mobility from other options, to keep it in line as an opposite to Fishron, if this aspect of the Old Duke’s Scales is to be retained. Gating a powerful alternative mobility option here would make Old Duke more worth killing than he currently is, and will open up more choices between post-moon lord mobility accessories.

[earnest cape]

Doesnt really matter now cause its already in voting innit?

[eternal escarp]

to me this looks fine

[zealous ridge]

yeah, this is the rewrite

[tawny garden]

post it

[ashen warren]

I mean yeah but im just saying now in hopes of the dev seeing it anyway

[zealous ridge]

ok

[civic notch]

Good suggestion

You have no idea how much that bothers me

[zenith hazel]

bot is down, notified amber

good now

[pine star]

@eternal igloo Specific Item Suggestions aren't allowed

There is a document with things you cannot do in the pins

[fossil finch]

-1.4
-sis
-format

[hot zephyr]

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

[fossil finch]

i was gonna mention reasoning but there's no reasoning outside endo hydra existing and it would be cool, at least at the moment

[tawny garden]

saved this shit

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

no reason as well

[pine star]

Where's :omegafailure: when you need it

[tawny garden]

@zenith hazel kill

ty

[pine star]

Thanks

[fossil finch]

the guy did not even

he put the sugg, and got offline

pog

[tawny garden]

ding dong ditched

[pine star]

Ding dong ditching to add to that

[cerulean estuary]

ding dong desert tiger staff

[grim tusk]

[pine star]

Thanks

[eternal igloo]

Sorry

[hollow shell]

@tranquil perch You should change "and Lumenyl/Depth Cells" to "and either Lumenyl or Depth Cells"
(or otherwise make it clearer you only mean one of the two, cuz I was very concerned that you wanted both to be removed because they created redundancy with like.. Tenebris)

I will also say that Trapper Bulbs, Demonic Bone Ash, and Beetle Juice add materials to enemies that do not currently drop materials
Derplings in particular have no reason to be killed

[tranquil perch]

derplings are annoying so they dont need to have a reason to be killed

[hollow shell]

The same can also be said for Murky Paste and Arapaimas
or, if you don't place much value on slime drops, Murky Sludge and Paste for all of their respective enemies

[tranquil perch]

murky sludge is just gel 2

[hollow shell]

You can add regular Gel or Blighted Gel as possible replacements for Murky Sludge in your reason

Their theme and areas of obtainment are quite similar to Blighted Gel

[tranquil perch]

done

[hollow shell]

aight

[tranquil perch]

ping me for discussing my sugg

[zealous ridge]

mechworm can teleport?

[radiant meadow]

yes

[tranquil perch]

yea it was reworked

[zealous ridge]

ah, yes

[tranquil perch]

~~reworked to look cooler, but now it's ~~

[zealous ridge]

i hadnt heard that this happened

very cool stuff

it helps that the mechworm doesnt take as much time to go through a full teleport

dog has to uncoil, no?

[tranquil perch]

depends on the size of the mechworm

[zealous ridge]

do the portals get further apart?

sorry that im unfamiliar with this rework, lol

[tranquil perch]

dog has to uncoil, but so does mechworm

wait lemme record it

[zealous ridge]

the gif on wiki was just 1 segment

[tranquil perch]

wait no

wrong clip

[zealous ridge]

SPEEN

[tranquil perch]

this one

[zealous ridge]

mechworm here has a pretty straight shot

the emphasis would be that dog may take a lot longer, mostly

but tying it to his tail wouldnt be terrible

granted the portal doesnt rapidly shift with him if some code messes up

[tranquil perch]

i think if tail and body segment are overlapping, the portal should dissapear

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
This is prob gonna get a ❗ sooner or later (and just as i say that it happens)

[dapper coral]

uh

[summer sentinel]

... It won't happen, mostly sure of it

[dapper coral]

@clever canopy you do realize that this is a hell of a lot of effort

[summer sentinel]

There's no point and ^

[dapper coral]

for the reason of "it's unique + publicity"

[grim tusk]

Also yes

[dapper coral]

the former being rather meh of a reason, and the latter being rather arbitrary considering calamity is already like, the biggest terraria mod community

[grim tusk]

[sand umbra]

byeah publicity is a moot/invalid point when you think of Calamity

because Calamity is like. the Terraria mod in the eyes of a lot of people and it has a massive following as a result

[fossil finch]

people would just hate it considering the overshadowing problem

[hollow shell]

@hexed nimbus You don't need to provide those exact numbers

[hexed nimbus]

ok

[fossil finch]

this is kind of specific, and even if it does make sense, you only need 5 trapper bulbs for max health (Miracle Fruit), making that reason cut short rapidly

[hollow shell]

The suggestion is fine in concept

s'just a lil weird

[hexed nimbus]

i find them overly hard to get for what is essentially a required item for max heath
they have a 1/5 chance to drop from angry trappers but becuse of how many enemys spawn in the jungle they dont spawn that much in my experience, i think that it would be better if there was a more consistant way to get Trapper Bulbs

[hollow shell]

(1/4 chance in Expert+)

Don't forget this too

[tranquil perch]

i swear the trapper bulb drop must be bugged or smth because it definitely doesnt feel like 1/4

[hollow shell]

Of course, people dislike fishing

[fossil finch]

by the point i need them (post golem) i do have enough, but idk

[tranquil perch]

biome crates are overly rare for some reason

rover can u check source and see if the drop rate is correct

[hollow shell]

It is

[tranquil perch]

how (how)

[hollow shell]

Checked it before you asked

[tranquil perch]

[hollow shell]

That's just the nature of RNG

Sometimes, you get cucked

[tranquil perch]

how to use cheatsheet to spawn trappers

[radiant meadow]

probably doesn't feel like 1/4 because it's 1/5

[tranquil perch]

it still doesnt feel like 1/5

[hollow shell]

Only if you play Normal

[tranquil perch]

also trappers are so rare

[hexed nimbus]

ya to me i fell like its like a 1/100

[hollow shell]

It means you need to kill 25 or 20 Trappers on average to get your Miracle Fruit

I don't pay too much attention to Tally Counter

But how many Angry Trappers does one usually have killed by post-Golem?

[tranquil perch]

i dont really explore the jungle prehm

i mean hm

early hm

[fossil finch]

for me? enough

even then, chugging a zerg in you arena spawns like 5 of them in an instant

[whole sedge]

yeah trapper bulbs have never been an issue for me when i actually need them as well it usually only takes 2-3 minutes to get all that i need

[crude geode]

@grim tusk wait two days #suggestions-voting message

Actually no I’m bad at math

[hollow shell]

(one day)

[crude geode]

Yeah

[zenith hazel]

do we still ❗ it or

[hollow shell]

I mean

Technically no

Wait

No, it's the same guy

[grim tusk]

And i just deleted it :/

[hollow shell]

so yes.

Thought it was a different person

[grim tusk]

imma leave it here so i can just control c + control v the sugg

Make Rogue items for OoA
Rogue currently has no reason to do the Old One’s Army event, something that could be done is giving 1 or 2 armors (or an accessory) that provide Rogue bonuses will give a reason for Rogue players to do the event, it will also provide consistency as now every class would have an armor from the event and will give rogue players more armor variety in hardmode. It would also need new weapons and maybe an accessory dropped by the events mini bosses so that rogue gets an incentive to complete this tedious event and have more weapons available for the pre-Plantera and Post-Golem tiers

[hollow shell]

aight

[safe oasis]

you make it sound like trappers are common enemies

[clever canopy]

In reply to the feedback on my suggestion:
I’m not denying it’d be some work to implement, and yes calamity is the most well known terraria mod, but media like YouTube videos still helps with getting people to come back for repeat playthroughs, especially ones that encourage alternate playstyles.
This is definitely more a case of sharing an idea with the devs in the hope that they personally like the concept enough to want to add it themselves, rather than me saying this should definitely, 100% be in the mod

[grim tusk]

Still doesnt change that the reasoning in the sugg is awful

[safe oasis]

that sugg essentially boils down to the old "its cool tho" argument which is stated as bad

[dapper coral]

yes but this is effort to the point of invalidation

[clever canopy]

I mean if boss rush didn’t exist then any reason given to add it would also be awful

[whole sedge]

Except it really shouldn't as...
Boss rush is already a thing and having a PHM boss rush seems like a massive waste of time and effort as boss rush was already enough of a pain in the ass to do and we don't need a second one
I've already seen so many people come back for repeat playthroughs with alternative playstyles and really this seems to me like it'd do the exact opposite of what you want it to do

[dapper coral]

because a) reasoning is essentially "it would be cool/unique" and b) it's a whole new event

aka illegal

[dapper coral]

the difference here is that the devs came up with the idea, not a community member

all event/boss work should be left up to devs

hence why that rule exists

[safe oasis]

new suggestion make new mod 👍

[clever canopy]

You say it’s a new event as if it requires new enemies, concepts and sprites, whereas it’s just spawning pre-existing bosses

[dapper coral]

that's not the point

the point is, it is a new event

period

which are explicitly not allowed

[hollow shell]

(it is kinda the point)

[grim tusk]

~~that also requires a lot of code

If QB is ded spawn Skeletron
Update progress bar
Bottom text~~

[dapper coral]

it's not the point that i was trying to make, is what i mean

[hollow shell]

I don't think dev effort is much of a concern

[clever canopy]

It’s not an event in the way people think of an event. When you say “event” most people think of blood moons or old ones army, something with different enemies trying to swarm the player

[fossil finch]

dont's say it is so

[hollow shell]

But I do think it's unnecessary

[grim tusk]

BR is an event that doesnt behave like those

[hollow shell]

And BR did not require much effort from spriters and artists

[safe oasis]

it also completely removes the non linearity that calamity strives for, making the player fight all the bosses linearly

[clever canopy]

Bruh I know that, I’ve not once said it won’t require code, just not as much effort as creating an entirely new event from nothing, which is what the rule prohibits

[whole sedge]

And we're saying read the rules as they don't want to do that and it's been stated.

[hollow shell]

(I didn't intend to defend Logan this hard but that's a really big stretch Psychic)

[clever canopy]

It doesn’t make the player do anything, it’s an optional challenge players would opt in for

[grim tusk]

Still the sugg is (specially the reasoning) is dumb

Its like
Add Astragleddon Slime back cuz it is cool

Like theres no point

[hollow shell]

He never said it would be cool . _.
He said it'd be a unique challenge that would be possible thanks to preHM having an open progression

[clever canopy]

Except this is something new that hasn’t been actively removed by devs, and builds upon the already existing concept of boss rush within calamity

Could even see it as a practice run of boss rush, a taste of what’s to come

[grim tusk]

Still its like asking for a specific item or boss

[hollow shell]

Storm plz

You're being very reductive

[tawny garden]

saying the same thing over and over doesn't change anything

[grim tusk]

Yea fine ill shut up or whatever

[hollow shell]

Okay

This Spear/Trident sugg is fine

Trident did get buffed in 1.4 tho, worthy of note

[fossil finch]

"buffed"

[grim tusk]

[whole sedge]

buffed is kind of an overstatement but yeah this could kind of work i guess

[grim tusk]

Trident is still bad in 1.4

[safe oasis]

didnt this exact thing get suggested like yesterday or is this some major deja vu

[grim tusk]

Wait yea

Wait no but technically a trident sugg was made

It was just like buff trident or give it effects underwater or something

[clever canopy]

Could just add them to the crafting trees of pre-existing weapons

[safe oasis]

ah close enough

[fossil finch]

the underwater thing is directly 1.4 so uhh normally it would have been kind of deleted or idk

[grim tusk]

Like elemental lance for example

[fossil finch]

holy fuck spear does exist

[tranquil perch]

buffed

[safe oasis]

maybe trident in undyne retribution

[clever canopy]

That’s actually got me thinking, with lances being in 1.4 will the elemental lance be renamed when it moves to 1.4?

[grim tusk]

Probably not

[hollow shell]

mmm unsure

Hasn't really stopped us with other weapons, I don't think

[safe oasis]

maybe clam is gonna make lances actually viable

[grim tusk]

[fossil finch]

spanish "lanza" means spear so not necessary

lances are viable

just oneshot dg with them

[safe oasis]

theyre only viable for just holding down m1 and abusing knockback

[grim tusk]

Hmm yes water and become railgun bullet

[tranquil perch]

then spear gets a crafting recipe because you cant trust chest rng :hahaech:

[fossil finch]

just bomb them smh smhmsh
it is valid but i don't really support it

[crude geode]

Why would you ever build an arena in space

[safe oasis]

dog and moonlord

and storm weaver

[hot zephyr]

are you playing on small worlds

[fossil finch]

both of them do not need an arena there

[safe oasis]

medium

[fossil finch]

SW can be taken outside space without problem

[hot zephyr]

Play on large and you'll have enough space to not hit space

[safe oasis]

the player shouldnt be forced to play on large just to combat planetoids

[hot zephyr]

Blow them up

[safe oasis]

thats just a bandaid for the actual problem

[sharp prism]

imo unless you have a bad pc there's no reason not to play on large

[crude geode]

At that point dynamite is so inexpensive and removes planetoids in like 3 explosions

[fossil finch]

the actual problem barely does exist, by that regard

[safe oasis]

not wanting to run for like 5 minutes straight just to get to my ocean?

[fossil finch]

because you don't need an arena on space

[tawny garden]

I hate how long Pre-HM travelling is even on small worlds

[safe oasis]

most people build arenas in space for moon lord and DoG

[hot zephyr]

BoB, frog leg, vital jelly

[sharp prism]

^

[crude geode]

I don’t lmao

[safe oasis]

skybridge method

[tawny garden]

still long af

[crude geode]

Why would you be that insane

[safe oasis]

yeah i said most not every

[hot zephyr]

You.... don't need to put skybridges in space

[crude geode]

^

[fossil finch]

yeah you can put them midway

[tawny garden]

I need to be able to go at lightspeed

[safe oasis]

then they run into terrain

[hot zephyr]

No they don't

[crude geode]

...there is space inbetween the ground and space

[fossil finch]

how fucking high are your mountains man

[hot zephyr]

At least, not on large worlds ;p

[fossil finch]

there's a good space between ground and space on my worlds

[safe oasis]

the problem is theres literally no point to most of the mini planetoids

and you can hopscotch through them to find floating islands in phm as well

[fossil finch]

the ore planetoids have the contrary ore to what your world has

enchanted sword planetoids, well

You mentioned the rest yourself

[safe oasis]

yeah except theres no reason to have the contrary ore

stats arent that different

[hot zephyr]

Planetoids are easy ways to get a fuckton of earlygame ore as well as gems and hearts

[fossil finch]

collection, and furniture would say otherwise

yeah

they are qol mostly

[safe oasis]

already mentioned gems and hearts

[hot zephyr]

It's literally one of the fastest ways to avoid mining

[fossil finch]

cadance earlygame is qol i swear

[hot zephyr]

"Remove this solely because I can't be bothered to blow up planetoids with dynamite"

If we're changing them it'd be cooler to have them more spread out horizontally

[crude geode]

Ore planetoids actually give you exodium clusters without having to use valuable fragments

There would be a lot less exodium clusters without them

[fossil finch]

i would agree on that, they stop existing by the sides of the world and that's

[hot zephyr]

Or if they don't have enough reasons to exist (they do), then we should give them more.

[safe oasis]

the concept itself is alright but theres too fucking many of them

[hot zephyr]

not really

They add more depth to space

[fossil finch]

yeah

[safe oasis]

are you even reading my sentences at this point

the concept itself is alright

[crude geode]

Both of the parties aren't listening to be quite honest. There's actual reasoning to the suggestion besides just "annoying for arenas" (which I admit isn't a good reasoning), but planetoids have their purposes. Removing portions of them and making them rarer makes exodium clusters far more annoying to obtain.

[hot zephyr]

I'm struggling to find out how removing the ore planetoids adds quality to space exploration

Or how they're "junk"

[crude geode]

Ore planetoids are also far more effective than going underground.

[safe oasis]

those questions could be answered if you actually read it

[hot zephyr]

Or how you think mining underground is more efficient when planetoids average 300 ore per vein

[safe oasis]

you're going underground for grav pots anyway

youd already have enough ore by the time you get a grav

[fossil finch]

would you

[crude geode]

you don't have to go underground to get to the planetoids.

grav pots are nice but are in no way necessary to get to them.

[hot zephyr]

You literally have not answered any of these questions, rereading your incoherent mess of a suggestion is not going to change that

And even if you've gone underground and found grav potions, it's still more efficient to mine planetoid ores

It's also a completely irrelevant suggestion as all it takes to rid yourself of the planetoids is a few sticks of sticky dynamite

[marble hazel]

mmmdynamite

[hot zephyr]

Also, if you're in late game you can just use a rocket launcher with tile destructive rockets

[safe oasis]

we're both just repeating ourselves at this point this argument wont get resolved

[cobalt pewter]

@turbid tartan too specific

[ashen warren]

thorn hook exists zzzzz

[cobalt pewter]

Just refer to the concept of hooks dropping from either hiih miim or perfs

And why they should exist

(A weird point to put new cal hooks anyways, pml only has bobbit)

[turbid tartan]

ok

it was just something I thought of

[cobalt pewter]

The specifics isn't needed ye

Just refer to the concept

[zealous ridge]

interesting idea

Another balanced multi-hook for pre-hardmode

the most we have currently would be ivy whip, I believe

in the realm of shooting and anchoring more than one hook (and it actually being useful)

Spider hook technically fits the bill too but it’s short range limits it a lot

[molten quest]

well I mean, the calamity vanity mod adds a few hooks-

[fossil finch]

Slight problem: there's already a life fruit recipe with living shards, and regarding the "you end up with a lot of crystals" that, tbf, will always apply to every item

[hollow shell]

@novel belfry Do you wanna mention the existing Life Fruit recipe?

[novel belfry]

hmm, how could I integrate it?

[hollow shell]

You should explain in your reason why this recipe isn't good enough

Or change your suggestion to replace Planty Mush with Life Crystals, as that seems to be all you're asking

[novel belfry]

hmm, I think I might disown this suggestion

it doesn't really have any really good reason

I'm just gonna repost it here for record keeping

Introduce another recipe for Life Fruits that includes Life Crystals and Living Shards

Often times, a person may end up with more life crystals than necessary, specifically when their minds are more focused on obtaining life fruits. Since life fruits are ultimately used again throughout the game in the form of materials for other life-raising fruit, it maybe prudent to introduce other methods of obtaining life fruits.

[earnest cape]

oh did that recipe change? im pretty sure it was tenebris and not planty mush

or at least was

[hollow shell]

Nope. It was always Planty Mush.

[earnest cape]

huh must've been my imagination

anyway

[hollow shell]

They're similar items, it makes sense to mix em up

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

?

[earnest cape]

82 stars

[hot zephyr]

What about it

[earnest cape]

even i don't know

my brain has become soup

[hot zephyr]

:82spin:

[heady storm]

@earnest cape do I need to approve your Dragonfolly suggestion early.

4th time I have seen you try.

[hollow shell]

Well, "early". It's already gone through 3/4s of its default time

[earnest cape]

maybe

[hollow shell]

Its gotten damn close both times its been posted in the past that I can see

[earnest cape]

if you want to approve it early go ahead

[hollow shell]

188 and 191

[earnest cape]

yeah

that's why im reposting it a third time

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message

[heady storm]

Too fat for my eyes.

[earnest cape]

it enhages me of how close both got

hueh

[languid quartz]

close™️

[earnest cape]

funnily enough all three suggs were approved by mods

[hollow shell]

(one by technicality)

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

Should we have a cap on how many times one can repost?

@hollow shell

[hot zephyr]

Already kinda exists

[earnest cape]

hurdurr

[languid quartz]

at this point mis probably just has a notepad with that sugg

[tawny garden]

hardly

Only as an undefined softcap

[hot zephyr]

I think that the next "suggestions meta" change is to stop moderators from early-approving suggs tbh

[tawny garden]

Nah

Only prohibit chetto

[languid quartz]

the resident ghost™️

[hot zephyr]

Every time my suggestions have been pushed early they've literally never deserved the treatment

[tawny garden]

No that's because those suggs were bad

[hot zephyr]

You're one to talk :p

[earnest cape]

lmao

[hollow shell]

This instance of an early approval is fine

A suggestion which has proven to get very close to req in the past but didn't reach it for one reason or another

So we already know it's valid and people agree with it

[hot zephyr]

I think a uniform 24 hours just makes sense.

[languid quartz]

wait fuck

wrong chat

sorry

thought I was in vc3

[tawny garden]

I'm not focusing specifically on this instance

[hollow shell]

Well, yeah you weren't
Cuz it was Ian who was the one talking about it :P

[tawny garden]

mmmmmh

[hollow shell]

As for repost cap, cuz I didn't address that
Case by case is still fine cuz people usually give up anyway

[tawny garden]

Ah, I misunderstood

[hollow shell]

It's usually been around the 4th repost

[tawny garden]

Peepo was reposted 6 times

[hollow shell]

I don't think I wanna enforce a strict limit

[tawny garden]

Aight

[hollow shell]

Yeah and that was a rare case, where I just told em to stop

[frozen storm]

UwU earth elemental in HoTE when pls i wanna fill my waifu collection

But actually

Instead of adding new Elemental they should do something about other Elementals that cant do anything

People are using HoTE only for Rare Sand elemental

And some stat boost

[cobalt pewter]

That's been brought up at a decent rate iirc

Just the general issue with HotE

[tranquil perch]

I doubt earth elemental will be added to hote because the purpose of the item is having waifus

[frail mantle]

the original purpose, maybe

[golden narwhal]

Turn earth into a waifu, problem solved

[frail mantle]

but not anymore

[cobalt pewter]

[tranquil perch]

[frail mantle]

@still minnow you should elaborate a lot more on what you mean

[hollow shell]

Yyyeah this isn't

this won't do, as it is.

[earnest cape]

more attacks for doggo

sounds legit

[hollow shell]

(I'll just delete it for now and they can try again if they want)

[sleek turret]

uhh

[fossil finch]

uhhh
the what

[heady storm]

Theres literally no reason aether's whisper should be in a ranged crafting tree
Its a ranged weapon NOT a magic weapon.
@rancid saddle this statement makes a whole lot of sense yes.

[sleek turret]

Aether's Whisper is indeed a magic weapon due its other right click/left click attack which is the same but for mage. (?)

[fossil finch]

You know it's not illegal to add weapons of other classes to a recipe you know

[rancid saddle]

ik but it warrants unncessary grinding, the auric tier weapons are supposed to be the weapons you get along the way

if I'm doing a ranger playthru, why would I need an aether's whisper?

[fossil finch]

because you know you are using it for a recipe

[sleek turret]

well, for uhh, weapon variaty.

[rancid saddle]

is that seriously an excuse

[cobalt pewter]

Aether's Whisper is a hybrid of ranged / magic last time I checked

[sleek turret]

Yeah.

[eternal escarp]

main is mage, alt is ranger iirc

[rancid saddle]

what about astral defeat

[fossil finch]

not like you need aether's whisper or its upgrade to beat the game

[eternal escarp]

astreal defeat is only ranger iirc

it has no right click at all

[rancid saddle]

recipe

not ability

[sleek turret]

And uses Spirit Flame.

[eternal escarp]

oh well

it has spirit flame yeah

[sleek turret]

Which uhh, it has an effect on the bow.

[eternal escarp]

^

[fossil finch]

the same goes for astreal defeat having spirit flame

you don't need to craft those weapons, anyways

there's other options

[tawny garden]

The damage type is only magic

[sleek turret]

imagine a bow made with pearlwood and crystal that basically shoots phantoplasm and bullets

[eternal escarp]

i dont see the problem, its basically just a material that has an attack, and not just the materials the weapon is made of

[sleek turret]

thats "design inconsistency" if I could recall it as that.

[rancid saddle]

I guess that makes sense

[eternal escarp]

i would not have wanted Astreal defeat to use spirit flame's actual materials, its better to just use the weapon made from those materials

[rancid saddle]

only other weapon I can think of really is engogenesis

[eternal escarp]

apoth uses a melee weapons iirc

[rancid saddle]

look at the bottom of the suggestion

[fossil finch]

it is still an hybrid thanks to right click

[tawny garden]

Oh fuck, whisper

[eternal escarp]

..which one?

[tawny garden]

Yeah it's a hybrid

[fossil finch]

and yeah donor weapons don't count on this: their recipes where decided by donors

[eternal escarp]

o yeah, true

[rancid saddle]

oh it got deleted alr ok

[fossil finch]

or dev, for apoth's case

[safe oasis]

also if you wanna complain about recipe inconsistencies, the swarmer uses 2 magic weapons in its recipe and is a magic weapon but needs vortex fragments

[fossil finch]

it's a gun

[gray sail]

Guys sorry to break in lime that

[safe oasis]

[fossil finch]

a minigun

[eternal escarp]

i still dont see the problem tbh

[gray sail]

Who else does like the deathmode environment effects but hates the increased AI aggression?

[rancid saddle]

ye me neither, ignore this sugg

the reason was bc I was getting pissed at aether's whisper being in a ranged crafting tree

[fossil finch]

like if deathmode ai changes where something most of the time

[rancid saddle]

i didn't read the entire thing

[fossil finch]

honestly, outside the bosses that get their changes, enemy ai changes are barely noticeable for me

[safe oasis]

mhm zombies barely noticeable

100%

[gray sail]

I just wanted to have revengeance but with wicked environment/weather additions from deathmode

It’s sick af but dat ai dude...

[rancid saddle]

deathmode is fine but its like anti-qol

[eternal escarp]

its only noticible early game, then you wont really care

[fossil finch]

wow fighter ai is more agressive

now they uhh

[cobalt pewter]

Jump

[gray sail]

I just hope there’ll be settings in calamity config to set up some features from deathmode separately

[fossil finch]

do virtually nothing?

[cobalt pewter]

You can't really suggest it

[gray sail]

I see

[fossil finch]

That's literally a don't: deathmode features being toggeable would defeat the point anyways

[gray sail]

But then wouldn’t be hard to implement i hope ^_^

[rancid saddle]

I'd be fine w/ deathmode if it wasn't for the cave shit lol

[gray sail]

Under features i only implied those wonderful weather and lighting engines

Those who wanna grind with deathmode further on, would grund

What i propose i basically the same thing that is going on with lethal lava

[rancid saddle]

yeah that makes sense

[gray sail]

True that, i just entered the cave layer

These bats are bitchin like no tomorrow

[rancid saddle]

yeah and like no vision lol

[gray sail]

Deathmode makes their ai a little bit... anticlimactic so to speak

[rancid saddle]

ok i'm leaving this convo

[fossil finch]

anticlimatic how
They literally just attack faster/move faster 99% of the time

[gray sail]

They just straight ahead into pursuing you while with deathmode off they try and find routes to you

[gray sail]

Nah man

I just thought the same

[fossil finch]

they do

i'm looking at the changes on the wiki rn

[gray sail]

Just experiment with cave bats

[fossil finch]

most of them do x attack faster, move faster, or etc

[gray sail]

I literally doing jt now haha

[fossil finch]

cave bats get to charge at you faster

Flying, Bat, Jellyfish, and Spider AI enemies charge towards the player faster.

that's literally their only change

[gray sail]

I read wiki recently

Yeah i remember

[low hedge]

bat ai death mode

[gray sail]

But there is also a tricky parr about their ai

Deathmode makes slimes fighters bats and the like kinda homing missiles with a simple straight trajectory

They don’t find routes at all, they just slam in straight line towards the playa

[fossil finch]

yeah like
all enemies do
They don't find routes to the player

that's not how terraria ai works at all

they just charge at the player and evade any obstacles they find if they can

[gray sail]

If you turn deathmode off they will retreat and that makes them chances of adjusting

Maybe that cannot technically be called route finding

[rancid saddle]

maybe a setting that just disables all deathmode features except weather and ai change

[gray sail]

Exactly!

That’s what i am extremely looking forward to

[fossil finch]

yeah that's
that's literally a Don't sugg, and a not gonna happen

[gray sail]

Why though

[cobalt pewter]

Defeats the point

[fossil finch]

ready why yourself

[gray sail]

Lethal lava has this feature toggleable

[cobalt pewter]

You can just disable the damned mode if you want to disable the diffs

[fossil finch]

check the doc pinned on #suggestions-posting

[cobalt pewter]

The config doesn't matter in death mode

Lethal Lava will always be on

[gray sail]

Ill explain again

What i would like to see (and i bet many others would appreciate) is to make toggleable config settings for weather/temperature/decreasing lighting features, so one wouldn’t have to turn on deathmode to have them on

These are wonderful engines

[fossil finch]

• Any suggestions about making certain Death Mode features toggleable (via the config).
  Reason: Welcome to Death Mode, the optional hardest difficulty mode in the mod. It is no longer bland across-the-board stat boosts, it has its own features and identity now via its brutal environmental effects and base enemy AI changes. If you find these features annoying and/or hard to deal with: good! This is why the entire difficulty mode is toggleable at any time. If you can't handle the increased challenge and don't want to adapt to it, then don't play Death Mode

[gray sail]

So you gonna be harsh an blunt to the end huh

[fossil finch]

i mean, i'm not the one that says it

[gray sail]

The point of calamity is to be enjoyable my friend

[cobalt pewter]

....

[eternal escarp]

thats a dont in the document

[fossil finch]

That's literally a copypaste from the Don'ts doc

[gray sail]

And these engines are exciting to have in the game in any mode

[dapper coral]

you are missing the point

[eternal escarp]

so even if it passes the devs would prolly not approve it

[dapper coral]

they may be exciting and enjoyable but you literally cannot make that sugg in the first place

[eternal escarp]

theres no ise in trying basically

[gray sail]

Well they might change their view on things

It always does

[fossil finch]

this feels pretty bruh rn

[dapper coral]

i

[gray sail]

I was not gonna suggesting it here

[tawny garden]

No, they prolly won't

[dapper coral]

that is not going to happen, and it's useless continuing this conversation any longer

[gray sail]

Just thought what are your thoughts on the point

[zealous ridge]

That’s also true he hasn’t suggested anything

[zealous ridge]

so I have no idea why were shouting about the doc when it’s not a suggestion

Regardless it may be for another channel

but like damn that was a harsh jump for no good reason

[gray sail]

Yeah i ventured here since this thread is called discussion

[dapper coral]

it's suggestion discussion

[eternal escarp]

well, most people who ask here about stuff intend on suggesting

[dapper coral]

i.e. you discuss things that are valid to suggest

i.e. not this

[eternal escarp]

yeah, so i think it was safe to assume that

[zealous ridge]

that’s not always apparent and discussion can drift for a little bit without it being witch hunted out of the channel

so I say this just be over now

there is nothing productive that will likely come from this

[gray sail]

I dunno why you be so aggressive about these rules man

[zealous ridge]

if you wanna talk about it more you can go to cal talk, though

[dapper coral]

they are rules for a reason

[zealous ridge]

you can also chill out

[gray sail]

Aren’t you on having these features the way i imagined?

[zealous ridge]

it’s fine to want the features, the temp mechanic has some cool interactions, but ultimately devs seem to be in the camp of everything death stays death pretty strongly

a suggestion alone likely won’t change that view

[gray sail]

Thanks man, i understood the point

[zealous ridge]

and that’s that, really

mhm

wegud then

Oh damn old Duke wings goes to voting in an hour

[gray sail]

yeah i just read through the dont sug doc
sorry for raising a fuss

[earnest cape]

finally someone reading it

[gray sail]

[earnest cape]

Incredible

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

No need to point out the nice number

For every sugg

[earnest cape]

oh boy you bet i will

im that immature

[tawny garden]

ye ye you're 14 and all that

But pls don't 🥺

[radiant meadow]

Would you like me to request you to stop instead?

[zealous ridge]

(Why spoil the method of cheesing)

[molten stratus]

just in case

[zealous ridge]

it’s kind of a trifling readability issue but I’m just wondering what you’re preventing

[tawny garden]

Also why EoC and not WoF

[molten stratus]

oh yeah

[zealous ridge]

like, hiding the method so that less people abuse it?

[cobalt pewter]

Also it's obscene enough that you probably won't need it for the most part

[tawny garden]

And yeah, I wouldn't spoil it

It's a sugg

[molten stratus]

just in case someone doesn't want to see it - if they do see it they might be tempted, idk

[zealous ridge]

I guess

[tawny garden]

Someone will only cheese if they want to

[zealous ridge]

it’s still weird though, I would just unspoil it

[eternal escarp]

if they get tempted its their fault tbh

[zealous ridge]

I thought it was like, a content spoiler

[molten stratus]

completely safe

[fossil finch]

no point with doing this tbh

[tawny garden]

Why no point

The enemies aren't there, it's great

[fossil finch]

there's nothing super duper strong in the abyss, only post skeletron weapons, and you normally would try to evade enemies anyways
You are not really doing anything breaking

[zealous ridge]

it does invalidate an entire hazard with the abyss, but at the same time making an exception for it would be awkward as heck

[molten stratus]

there is a lot of loot in the abyss

[fossil finch]

Like, i see no point on disabling boss zen in abyss

[molten stratus]

also the abyss is terrifying and the boss zen removes that

it just loses so much character

[zealous ridge]

And that’s also the case, the most you can get without killing things is terminus and the ores

[fossil finch]

the loot is not that strong, and if you want the non enemy loot you'll ignore enemies anyways

[civic notch]

2/4 times you go to abyss it’s for fighting enemies

[cobalt pewter]

The only times you won't are probably for getting shadow chest content, mining scoria and getting Terminus

[zealous ridge]

I don’t think it matters enough to code an exception for

like, how would that exception even work?

[tawny garden]

I guess you could

[zenith hazel]

I'd argue having eoc in the abyss is equally annoying

[zealous ridge]

nah

eoc is just ignore and he can’t accidentally kill you

[tawny garden]

You can do it with WoF

As I said

[zealous ridge]

The issue is accidentally killing the boss

[zenith hazel]

what point of progression are we really referring to?

[fossil finch]

uhh

[zealous ridge]

the screenshot is early hm

[zenith hazel]

because if we're saying post-skele, then yes eoc is capable of killing you

[fossil finch]

.

most important being shadow chest content

[zealous ridge]

likely able yeah

[zenith hazel]

and annoy you to a certain extent because you can't dodge well in something tight as the abyss

[zealous ridge]

but u can also move fast

it’s less annoying but it’s moreso just stupid to set up and patch out, imo

[zenith hazel]

if we're saying mid-hm, then you're losing out on new abyss drops

[zealous ridge]

the issue is not eoc being annoying to deal with that is whatever

[fossil finch]

yeah it's pointless imo

[zenith hazel]

if we're saying late-hm, it's literally just scoria ore

if we're saying post-ml, you're losing out on miniboss drops

[fossil finch]

you don't get anything strong from not having enemies

[zenith hazel]

all in all, you're losing more than you gain by having boss zen

[zealous ridge]

tis what it comes down to

[zenith hazel]

it's valid, but there's not a good chance it'll make it to dev, let alone be approved

[zealous ridge]

(hey brav do u have any opinion on od wings)

[tawny garden]

Leave the sugg be ig

[zenith hazel]

I mean I guess it's a good idea

I'm using "good" very loosely here

[tawny garden]

[zealous ridge]

okay I don’t know what that means

[earnest cape]

[zealous ridge]

loose good

you mean, the idea of making Duke scales better is good but making them wings isn’t your solution?

[zenith hazel]

it is a solution

[tawny garden]

I think that was directed at me

[zenith hazel]

but I prefer knowing what's wrong with the scales

[zealous ridge]

ah, alright

I mentioned in the sugg

conditional damage boosts, in the way they’re presented in Duke scales, isn’t going to be very helpful

the damage is nice but it’s rare that you’ll be at these percentages of health for enough time for the damage to matter

Or for you to even play around it

debuff immunities are weird

I’m not really sure why it offers those immunities outside of flavor

debuff-inflicted damage boost is interesting

[zenith hazel]

[zealous ridge]

but it’s too minor imo

[zenith hazel]

acid tier 3/OD drops are in a weird spot

[zealous ridge]

yeah, some awkward stuff there

overall just sayin what I’ve observed from scales

[cobalt pewter]

HP based boosts are generally hard to maintain unless it's on a relatively big range (like Vexation)

[zealous ridge]

it doesn’t help that post moon lord gives you survivability in ways that let you stay at higher hp passively

which means the best way to get the boosts from these effects is via actively negating it

take omega blue, or iron heart

it would be better if the debuff damage boost was applied to the percentage chunks of health’s extra damage

would give more synergy with alchohols or bosses which apply an annoying debuff

[earnest cape]

would give more synergy with alcohols
Cheers i'll drink to that bro

[summer sentinel]

synergy with alcohols sounds like a recipe for disaster

[zealous ridge]

is this a meme or are you telling me it’s a bad idea

[summer sentinel]

They're already too innately strong on their own

[zealous ridge]

That’s true

Crowned jewel is similar but it’s just defense

if you want it can just not be affected by alchohol

Or nerf the drinks

Which I’d assume is happening

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
Fucking teleporting via cheats

[cobalt pewter]

Just spawn wof, easy

[pine star]

[grim tusk]

[sleek turret]

[grim tusk]

Also wasnt the spawn WoF thing gonna get patched in 1.5?

[cobalt pewter]

?

[tawny garden]

it's patched in Terraria 1.4.1

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah

[zealous pecan]

It could be fun if when you defeated yharon, there is a new type of army that tries to attack you: yharim’s army

[tawny garden]

seriously

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

(you can't suggest events @zealous pecan)

[zealous pecan]

It is extremely stupid ik

I just thinked qbout it

[cobalt pewter]

It's somewhat a planned event, but for 2077 update of Calamity

(Read: Soon™)

[zealous pecan]

About*

[tawny garden]

Yharim's army is like the longest-standing joke of the sugg system

[zealous pecan]

Srry

[eternal escarp]

sepulcher 2.0

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
Wont work

[eternal escarp]

also its a projectile isnt it

it cant have HP

[cobalt pewter]

Killing moons when they spawned

[grim tusk]

They are projectiles

[cobalt pewter]

[sleek turret]

give brimstone monsters hp but 99% dr

[cobalt pewter]

And yeah

[eternal escarp]

give them HP but make them invincible

[sleek turret]

[grim tusk]

Hmm yes Gael’s memesword bug and pre-nerf Relic of resiliance

[tawny garden]

if you do give them HP and make them killable, uh

you'd need to spawn a lot more

[cobalt pewter]

this is just an excuse to ram into these shits

[eternal escarp]

if you make them killable like the seekers that is

[tawny garden]

hm lemme see

[sleek turret]

coldheart icicle vs moons :lets:

[eternal escarp]

if you make em killable like a sepulcher then it just makes it worse, especiall for non pierce weapons

[gray nebula]

I think the point is that

theyre unkillable

[eternal escarp]

because they will bever really die

[gray nebula]

???????????????

[tawny garden]

The Brimstone Monsters are projectiles

[eternal escarp]

and yeah obviously they are made unkillible because that the intent smh some people

[tawny garden]

Projectiles can't have HP

thank you, good night

[grim tusk]

That sug is probably going into chetto’s cringe deleted sugg compilation

[eternal escarp]

lmfao

[sleek turret]

[gray nebula]

they can be turned into npcs if the suggestion were to get approved lol

[grim tusk]

Gn

[kindred creek]

can't they just make then into NPCs?

[eternal escarp]

but then

whats the point

kill them like

easily?

or like a sepulcher killable

where you prolly wont do it anyways

[kindred creek]

i guess a similar manner to sepulcher

[grim tusk]

Also if they were npcs they for sure be immune to every debuff

[eternal escarp]

then its worse then making it a projectile

[zenith hazel]

I don't even need to look at the reasoning to say "no"

[eternal escarp]

because that kills every non pierce weapon at that point

[tawny garden]

if you want to do something with the moons, your changes need to be more substantial

[zenith hazel]

^ blasterd

[eternal escarp]

since they are so big Scal just hides behind them and you can say "bye bye" to hitting anything

[zenith hazel]

yea they take up so much space you're not hitting scal

and this is like 2 suggs in 1

[eternal escarp]

forces classes to use piercing (and forces rangers to either get fucking RNGesus or a wierd weapon)

[zenith hazel]

"make them killable and add a drop"

that's a hard no

[kindred creek]

arn't like all of the weapons that go for SCal piercing

[eternal escarp]

and if it was like, Seeker HP amount

[zenith hazel]

exoblade

drataliornus

[eternal escarp]

see: rangers and rogue weapons

[zenith hazel]

etc.

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah melee as some too

[eternal escarp]

if it was like this, kinda ruins the moons point doesnt it

its supposed to make you move, not kill them before its a threat

atleast in my eyes

[zenith hazel]

if the problem is that they take up so much space, then suggest nerfing their speed, not make them killable

or smth like that, idk

[tawny garden]

or making them smaller

[eternal escarp]

i myself would have prefered them to vanish, but it is what it is

[fossil finch]

Add a drop to sepulcher

[eternal escarp]

CalVal does that iirc

just download that mod

[fossil finch]

I was joking

[eternal escarp]

someone would have unironically agreed

better answering early

[fossil finch]

I don't understand why people want epic drop from enemy that's not meant to be killed loool epic ggg

[kindred creek]

Hard to kill enemy should give good drop. why not?

[eternal escarp]

the thing is

the enemy isnt supposed to be killed in the first place

[tawny garden]

yeah

you're meant to destroy the orbs

however they're called

[eternal escarp]

hearts iirc

[tawny garden]

same with AEW

[summer sentinel]

floating blood orbs

[tawny garden]

you shouldn't be able to kill AEW

[grim tusk]

Yea thats why the cold heart icicle exploit got patched

[fossil finch]

The sole reason DG has one is thanks to Yrimir doing something "impossible" at the time, and the devs noticing it, also the reason this is a way of thought among terraria communitty

[tawny garden]

sole*