But idk the exact reason
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
They were added in like
early 2018
Low% didn't exist yet
cobalt pewter
shit
cobalt pewter
Byeah, Soldier could be more unique, and get some buddies
Meanwhile Debris should just fucking die
This mob is what.ogg
crude geode
If you want Debris to die you should also kill Soldier
Phantom Debris isn't anywhere near as blatant a variant as Overloaded Skeleton Soldier
I think they're both fine, but it's a shame there is no real unique phanto enemies
hollow shell
(Phantom Debris was originally meant to be like a Mimic that disguised itself as a background rock
and Overloaded Soldier was meant to have phantoplasm energy and shit, orbiting projectiles iirc
But uh they both just became Fighter AI and then later given some movement speed gimmicks)
earnest cape
i hope the special stuff actually happens soon and they're not just fighter AI with speed
cobalt pewter
(Phantom Debris was originally meant to be like a Mimic that disguised itself as...
Bruh
Having Debris being a mimic would be way more interesting
crude geode
indeed
Calamity kinda has a problem with a lack of unique enemies in certain biomes/areas.
tawny garden
indeed
Calamity kinda has a problem with a lack of unique enemies in certain bio...
Or in Post-ML 
cobalt pewter
Wdym ded
tawny garden
...or I'm dumb
cobalt pewter
Yes
tawny garden
#suggestions-posting message
Thought this was a day and a bit ago 
also the word "hollow" is weird there
earnest cape
no its just one of the rare events there's barely any suggs in posting
and it feels weird
tawny garden
omw to post 8 Abyss suggs
earnest cape
tawny garden
If the moons would be hollow it would look weird
They'd need to be resprited completely
cobalt pewter
Let's just say they can get the human scal treatment
earnest cape
tawny garden
what if they get shrunk down by a factor of a half
tawny garden
fuck, no, if they get shrunk down by a half that means we'll have 16 of them at the same time for balancing reasons 
cobalt pewter
Though human monster orbs is
What I meant is that they can get more intriguing, smaller base design with a field around them
tawny garden
mmmm
frozen hornet
What I meant is that they can get more intriguing, smaller base design with a fi...
Something like inferno potion ring could work maybe?
eternal escarp
they do have a diffrence, frigid is more Ice related whyle cryonic is crystal related, but they are pretty close
crude geode
Cryonic is more the outlier here then Frigid imo. Frigid is literally sold by an ice mage lmao.
vocal cedar
I wasn't trying to say that they have no differences, but that said differences aren't distinct enough, and I've seen confusion before, so why not fix it?
vocal cedar
Cryonic is more the outlier here then Frigid imo. Frigid is literally sold by an...
True, but you can't really have the Pieces of "X" spawn underground and you craft those pieces into "Y" without the Y being some kind of bar, at least not conventionally thinking; So to change/rework Cryonic would need more effort - and probably spur more confusion than redoing Fridgid, from a non-lore standpoint at least.
crude geode
Change is sometimes necessary in Calamity insert Heart Rapier and SSV memes here, and currently Cryonic is a complete mess with very little consistency.
It’s similar to Perennial, but even worse currently. People still use the gear, at least, but just because it’s practically the best thing you can get at that point in terms of armor.
Not to say your suggestion is invalid by any means by the way.
This is all just my opinion regarding Cryonic and Frigid.
vocal cedar
Appreciated, but doesn't the "Best armor you can get" arguement towards keeping Perenial also hold true for Daedalus? It's better than other Ranger/Summoner/Mage sets of the same tier imo.
Not to diss alternatives though.
crude geode
I’m not saying to outright remove Daedalus, I’m saying to rework it so it’s not just a weird night themed/crystal shard themed set that comes from the defeat of an ice boss and spawns in the ice biome, and is more themed around Daedalus rather then...a lot of random things.
eternal escarp
theres a small connection i can see, that daedalus caused the ice biome to exist (afaik), but thats where the connections stop i think
crude geode
~~it’s mostly a problem because we know nothing about Daedalus, but I doubt he created the crystal shards in the hallow biome, or the night itself ~~
eternal escarp
~~yeah, i meant like, the ore spawns in the ice biome, but the bars themselve dont do much with it ~~
crude geode
Kinda hard for Cryonic bars to relate more to ice when frost cores/armor and the drops from Cryogen exist 
eternal escarp
yeah, at the start of HM everything is just related to ice for some reason 
(well, cryogen is kinda the reason, and vanilla cringe, byeah)
crude geode
Essence of Eleum 
crude geode
Except Cryonic bars are an amalgamation of night and crystal themed aesthetics, as well as a frozen origin point that is unoriginal
rugged belfry
Frigid Bars = bad Cryonic Bars
cobalt pewter
crude geode
Perennial=Discount Chlorophyte
pine star
Frigid Bars = bad Cryonic Bars
I'd argue it's the opposite
crude geode
Same. Frigid bars are consistent in their theme, ice and the cold.
They don’t have uses, but that’s because Cryonic exists and sucks up all the uses Frigid could have.
Cryonic has night time, crystal shard, as well as a bit of ice theming. It’s a mess that’s all over the place.
pine star
Personally, I would go all in on the crystal theming
tawny garden
Just replace one with the other 
pine star
pine star
seems nice
hot zephyr
More heat protection is a good thing
eternal escarp
especially since its annoying anyways lmao
and from a balance standpoint, i dont see it doing any bad
given how literal walls just break the whole system afaik
or campfires and other easy stuff for cold prot that is
pine star
yeah
low hedge
you do also have the cold immunity hand warmers which are very easy to get
so not sure why heat immunity is harder to go for
eternal escarp
yeah exactly
eternal escarp
does snow ruffian give cold immunity?
low hedge
don't believe so
eternal escarp
because both could very well do their thing tbh
earnest cape
Cause protecting yourself from heat is an actual nightmare
Like whatre you gonna do esp with terrarias technology cause they dont have AC's
although a good compromise is standing in front of a wall and killing the entire mechanic in the process
eternal escarp
tbh i found it wierd how most fire related things give heat protection, like elysian aegis
well not most, but im prty sure theres quite a few
hydrothermic helmets, which by itself should heat you up more
elysian stuff
magma stone and armor
and frost stuff give cold protection (although, most cold related items that do this give for both most of the time anyways)
but theres prolly a reason behind this
low hedge
would be cool if the heat and cold system gradually had layers like how abyss had light layers, so after post-evil gets killed you need tier 2 heat protection or like two tier 1 heat protections to go through daytime space. having just one would give you debuffs but not as bad as if you wouldn't have any protection
something along those lines anyway
frozen storm
Y3ah
dapper coral
have the Lad Shark drop shark fins on summon
frozen storm
When you need Shark Fin, every shark in the universe dissapears
tawny garden
~~have the Lad Shark drop shark fins on summon~~
omg yes
low hedge
would you hurt my son in such a way for a mere shark fin
dapper coral
on summon, not kill
tawny garden
I would pat
dapper coral
he gives them to us of his own free will
low hedge
this is fair
dapper coral
i would never harm the Lad™️ like that
tawny garden
:PetLad:
hot zephyr
cerulean estuary
bold of you to assume you can kill the lad
hot zephyr
lad is poggers
low hedge
distant gyro
cerulean estuary
fusion feeders arent that hard to spawn if you get an astral desert
that'd def be one to add it to
it'd make farming fins for seafood way easier
low hedge
I swear I remember suggesting them having a shark fin drop
maybe not in suggestions but to a dev
zealous ridge
I say let them drop from gss and fusion feeders
tawny garden
the sadcat emote will not work when the bot reposts the sugg
the bot doesn't have nitro
so it'll just be ":sadcat:"
cerulean estuary
nice
hot zephyr
tribal verge
bruh
)
tawny garden
tribal verge
summer sentinel
@thorn oracle read the pinned doc here on what is allowed/not allowed to be suggested here
whole sedge
pinned doc
tribal verge
in sugg posting pins
thorn oracle
ok so no extremly hard and confusing suggestions
whole sedge
There's a lot more than that but i guess
thorn oracle
ok well im probly not going to suggest cuase its confusing
pine star
@daring imp Astrum Aureus stands on platforms iirc
dapper coral
yeah i'm 99% sure he can
hollow shell
I can at least confirm that, yes Aureus Spawns do not have any special chaseability. They are always chaseable by minions (and presumably homing projectiles)
Unlike, say, Trashers, or Maulers. Which are only chaseable after being hit
But it would help to go to your mod menu and send which Calamity version you're currently playing on @daring imp, for the platform thing
daring imp
latest one i'm pretty sure
i don't wanna save & quit my game right now to check because i'm on the ocean right now
ok 3rd time i died to levi because for some reason levi is dashing in the last phase before i even kill ana and holy shit summons are so fucking dumb to hit anything i can't wait for sanguine staff
rancid saddle
this is the wrong channel
daring imp
kinda part of what i was saying
i think the version i'm playing is 1.4.5.7
there are no updates for the mod in the tmodloader browser so i think it's the latest version
hollow shell
Alright if it didn't prompt you to update then you should be on latest yeah
And uh
yeah
Worms.
daring imp
astrum aureus still can't stand on platforms
he can just teleport to me after launching the homing projectiles
hollow shell
mhm. Your suggestion should be valid then.
daring imp
but he quickly fells down again
hollow shell
Well, technically it is two suggestions in one
Ideally they would be separate
rancid saddle
i just downloaded 2 new anti-lag mods just so I can make my astrum deus experience w/ my friend not awful
daring imp
they're still astrum aureus issues
so i think it would be dumb to make them into two separated posts
radiant meadow
Astrum Deus shouldn't be lagging
rancid saddle
no, its a multiplayer problem
radiant meadow
And running to suggestions to scream fix this doesn't really help anyone
daring imp
yeah i think ichor spear and cursed dagger should be crafted, doesn't make sense at all for them to not be craftable
hollow shell
Not everything needs to be crafted imo
If they're too rare of a drop then suggest they have a higher rate
rancid saddle
ichor spear and cursed daggers are bad weapons whats the point of them being craftable
daring imp
but does rogue have any craftable hardmode evil biome weapon?
rancid saddle
yes
daring imp
nah the rare drop is the hero spear
hollow shell
Why does it matter if they're craftable or not, representation-wise?
daring imp
makes more sense too
normally ichor/cursed flame stuff are craftable
using the respective material along souls of night
daring imp
yeah but they're different cases
rancid saddle
pog found a mod, time to delete my suggestion
btw the idea of the astrum aureus is sound
daring imp
is sound?
hollow shell
"sound" as in sensical
daring imp
since summoner triggers all of the bombs
hollow shell
I was confused because Aureus does have two or three custom sound effects
daring imp
angry ape noises
rancid saddle
aureus is just OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH
hollow shell
and big clang
daring imp
i can't listen to astrum aureus song whitout the angry ape noises
rancid saddle
yeah lol
daring imp
actually i can
ashen warren
exactly
daring imp
since it's still a very awesome song
ashen warren
fat bastard wont be quiet
daring imp
now lets stop changing topic
rancid saddle
wut abt t he shark fin thing?
hollow shell
Shark Fin suggestion seems fine.
His list is a slight bit over inclusive but I do agree that Shark Fins are weirdly rare
rancid saddle
yeah guess it does but I feel like it should stay the same just to piss of rangers
ashen warren
lmao
daring imp
we need it for seafood to spawn AS
rancid saddle
AS?
daring imp
aquatic scourge
rancid saddle
o yeah
ashen warren
and plus dont shark statues give the fins anyway
rancid saddle
I feel like aquatic scourge should drop shark fins
daring imp
i don't know about statues
ashen warren
ik shark statues defo do drop them cause i used to farm them lol
daring imp
maybe shark fins could be included in the angler box she drops
ashen warren
eh true but you could add a crafting recipe for one
hollow shell
puh
ashen warren
hell for any of the statues
daring imp
actually, i think the angler box is just for fishing stuff
hollow shell
Could be included in the angler box yeah
It is currently just fishing stuff tho
So it would create a little bit of inconsistency
daring imp
so actually fins included along those other drops
hollow shell
A better option would be to make it drop from more guys
Particularly Sunskaters cuz those were modeled after sharks and are relatively common
Fusion Feeder too for sheer consistency
rancid saddle
should be sold by amidas
hollow shell
Eh
ashen warren
i mean couldnt the desert scourge drop them? like isnt the desert supposed to be the dried up ocean
and since id be kinda certain the scourge would have eaten a few sharks
rancid saddle
~ same with aquatic
ashen warren
yea
hollow shell
DS does drop the same ocean blocks that AS does yes
daring imp
nah i think DS is too early
also DS does not drop sulphuric sand
and since sulphuric sand is a material for the seafood
ashen warren
i mean DS could drop like 1 or 2 and AS could drop more
daring imp
and we could very easily farm DS for fins
ashen warren
or make it so we can only get fins from DS after wof
rancid saddle
or post as
ashen warren
yeah that could work
daring imp
where it would be even easier to farm?
so it should be like a chance to drop or not 1-2 fins
so even if we're in hardmode it would still be harder than farming sharks
hollow shell
Sand Sharks do indeed drop shark fins
They're even thematically colored, like Gel does
We could do the same if we add em to more of our enemies
radiant meadow
Maulers have different colored fins too iirc
daring imp
i don't think at all, obsidian skull is kinda easy to be obtained and it's not that related to all heat protection
rancid saddle
in 1.4 it covers the head so it makes sense
ashen warren
but like how does the obsidian skull protect against walking on meteorite
hollow shell
so I think it makes sense
Uh magic, probably
Or just, gameplay
Most accessories don't have totally accurate reasons why they do what they do
ashen warren
id say scrap the obsidian skull and increase the chances of lava charms
but thats just me so :/
daring imp
can i suggest to add more rare weapons for summoner and my ideas of rare summoner weapons? all in the same post?
hollow shell
"scrap"??
hollow shell
Uh that's outside of Calamity's scope
rancid saddle
please don't
ashen warren
ik im just sayin idfk
hollow shell
and I think almost all mods
daring imp
the only rare weapon summoner has is the sentry dropped by signus
rancid saddle
cold divinity
daring imp
and the legendary weapon from cryogen
but that's legendary not rare
i also have really cool idea of rare summons
rancid saddle
hive pod
daring imp
hive pod isn't rare
hollow shell
RIVs specifically, Beesical
Yeah you could suggest more RIVs for summoner
Some devs would dislike it because we are eventually planning an RIV rework
rancid saddle
what the fuck i've been grinding this for 2 hours why haven't I got it
hollow shell
but that's an undetermined amount of time into the future
daring imp
i think it's just because the enemy that drops it is kinda uncommon
fossil finch
but like how does the obsidian skull protect against walking on meteorite
So a shield and a fancy sock make you able to "dash" which is fisically impossible, are we questioning why an obsidian skull protects you from some hot floor
rancid saddle
summoner really shouldn't have it considering its supposed to have the least weapons
if you take the total amount of summon weapons to rogue weapons, the rare items make sense
daring imp
rare weapons are a different variation of an already existing weapon, obtained in the same stage of the game
yeah summone rhas the least amount of weapons that's why rare weapons are welcome
also come on just 1 rare weapon for summoner? who can defend this?!
fossil finch
Btw, about your aureus sugg, aureus does stand on platforms 100% sure, and all classes have to deal with the spawns cuz they are bs to miss
hollow shell
It's not that summoner is supposed to have the least weapons
It's that it does as a result of summon weapons being the hardest type of weapon to create
daring imp
but i already said that i have my own ideas already
fossil finch
Concepts are not the hard part, and they won't get accepted, not by sugg methods, at least.
daring imp
and just like the cosmic lamp rare variation they're very diversified from the normal versions
rancid saddle
tbh im gonna test belladonna spirit staff megamaxed against dog and make a shitpost abt it
daring imp
i think i'm just gonna make a post that summoner should have more rare weapons
rancid saddle
ya
hollow shell
Sure
fossil finch
Coding summon weapons is the hard part, no other weapon requires you to make a whole ai, also, summoner weapons are all different because of this
There is really no types, you can't paste the broadsword code
However i see i'm standing a lil far away what you are saying, so i'm dropping it
radiant meadow
more summoner rivs would be a blue check
hollow shell
It would yeah
fossil finch
Doesn't the sugg he has rn posted need some better wording overall?
I'm also almost sure aureus does stand on platforms
earnest cape
aureus doesn
't stand on platforms if he's shooting the lasers and running
otherwise he does iirc
daring imp
i did it
hollow shell
It seems like Aureus can indeed stand on platforms, but it is inconsistent
daring imp
so bad that my rare summoner weapon concepts will never be heard
maybe i can make it a post on calamity reddit one day
hollow shell
Yeah, that's how it is tho
We banned specific item suggestions a long time ago, cuz they constituted over half of all suggestions posted, and they never got implemented
with like
3 or 4 exceptions
daring imp
yeah pretty sure that calamity doesn't add specific items unless if it's from a patreon donator
gosh i'd wish i had money
fossil finch
Well then he needs to specify that ig
And, about the spawn thing, don't they aggro anyways if you don't hit them for long?
And, the other classes thing is not good, spawns fuck all classes cuz they are hard af to miss
rancid saddle
guys
unironically
the belladona thing is shredding dog
jesus christ
I just got a reaper tooth necklace and its doing calamari lampant dps
earnest cape
i wonder why
fossil finch
Sugg something rn about that man
daring imp
is belladona the new vile feeder?
fossil finch
Belladona should just
Not do 20k dps
rancid saddle
no it acts the same as calamaris lampent
rancid saddle
like 5k dps on the body and 20k on the tail
earnest cape
lemo
rancid saddle
this is the setup, no reforges
earnest cape
im surprised belladonna can even hit the tail
rancid saddle
it was a shitpost abt it shredding dog but ok
didn't expect it to be good
33k DPS WTF
earnest cape
prolly getting off topic
cobalt pewter
@rancid saddle what's your mod list? Chances are one of your mods could mess with it
grim tusk
How the actual fuck is it getting more dps than Sirius which fucking centralizes post-Polter summoner meta
And also more than pre-nerf vilefeeder
And not even on glass cannon
cobalt pewter
Again, I wanna know their mods first before defining anything
summer sentinel
it's on public version though, take it with a grain of salt as it's getting adjusted in beta
green ruin
Not actually posted in suggestions posting but why isnt astral ore called astralite
Better name imo
grim tusk
Astralium
Astratite
Astralite
Theres a ton of names possible but Astral ore is better
As its supposed to be from outer space of unknown composition
grim tusk
this is the setup, no reforges
What dificulty?
If its rev Belladona staff needs to fuckining die
If death mode that shit needs to get stomped to the fucking ground
bitter drift
@trail anchor
maybe the sand will have an anti gravity effect xD
marble hazel
xD
daring imp
is belladona the new vile feeder then?
imagine if lil plantera were op
i wonder if there'll be terra whip, i have a cool idea for it
zenith hazel
but specific item suggestions are not allowed
zenith hazel
as a side note, @daring imp aureus does stand on platforms, he just happens to fall through them sometimes
daring imp
as a side note, <@!274324049868357632> aureus does stand on platforms, he just h...
"sometimes"
zenith hazel
also, you can't exactly cheese him by standing on top of a platform considering he jumps really far up
so if you can, provide video evidence of this cheese method
zenith hazel
and make sure you're playing on 1.4.5.007
daring imp
yeah the version i'm playing is 1.4.5.7
zenith hazel
then record the cheese method
daring imp
aight
oh it actually stands on platforms, but not for too long...
also in case you haven't noticed the bombs were immediatelly triggered
if i weren't summoner the fight would have been a breeze
zenith hazel
interesting
cobalt pewter
Apparently Aureus drops off platforms when walking
But it can just stand on platforms ye
bitter drift
But it can just stand on platforms ye
nope
sometimes he just f a l l
and it's ANNOYING
i hate 90% of this boss
cobalt pewter
Nope, usually he just goes like that if you're on a certain position, but it can stand still on platforms
It just drops off when it starts walking
daring imp
unlike golem, ravager and super mario 64 bowser it doesn't immediatelly jumps back
muted osprey
#bringbackastrageldone
sleek turret
lets not go offtopic please.
daring imp
and the bombs shouldn't be targeted by summons and remain invencible for like 1 secound after spawning so we won't trigger them accidentally while attacking aureus
by the cost of making them harder to deal with in higher difficulties
sleek turret
and the bombs shouldn't be targeted by summons and remain invencible for like 1 ...
right click aureus with a summoner weapon fixes it.
earnest cape
ah yes
using a post aureus weapon for aureus
i am dumb
dont mind me
i thought you meant the aureus weapon
daring imp
right click aureus with a summoner weapon fixes it.
but they attack as soon as the bombs spawn
imagine fighting levi before aureus
crude geode
Imagine fighting levi or aureus
bitter drift
imagine fight aureus
earnest cape
cause that would be dumb and op
earnest cape
low hedge
breaking suggestion rules wr any% let's go
earnest cape
sleek turret
auto-jump exists to uhh, well, it helps, a lot.
earnest cape
tawny garden
Yeah
earnest cape
tawny garden
Save the sugg for tomorrow
tawny garden
Posting*
daring imp
but it's tomorrow already since i made the 2 posts
tawny garden
You can have no more than 2
earnest cape
in posting you have 3 suggs
daring imp
so i have to wait 24 hours?
tawny garden
Ye
daring imp
ok
earnest cape
basically
earnest cape
i personally don't
daring imp
ok then
tawny garden
Or actually, wait for 12 hours
daring imp
o u r s
tawny garden
Cuz your first sugg was 12 hours ago
earnest cape
until one of your other suggs goes into voting you're good to post the moab one
daring imp
ok then
crude geode
Asking someone else to post your suggestion is like asking someone to put a link to your suggestion in voting. Kinda scummy.
earnest cape
the cycle of making a sugg: do x boss-> dislike something about x boss-> hage-> make sugg
omw to execute that cycle 
earnest cape
the most common
cerulean estuary
Wait, but you just ran into the bullet hell ring
I don't see the shotgun playing any part here you got up close and then ran into one of the ring shots
earnest cape
Prolly shouldve used a better clip
cerulean estuary
Yeah what does the shotgun attack have to do with this you just didn't react quick enough to not run right into a ring shot
earnest cape
you just didnt react quick enough
"Just dont get hit lol"
The shotgun plays a part where it limits my movement options
cerulean estuary
You literally ran into it though. If you had reacted fast enough to stop moving for half a second you would've been fine
cerulean estuary
The shotgun layered over the hellblasts
earnest cape
Its dumb to expect people have fast reaction time
Anyhow imma try and get a better clip
cerulean estuary
Okay then don't be so close to brim
earnest cape
.
I dont have a fucking choice when she does her shotgun attack cause she accekerates towards you
And she accelerates fast
cerulean estuary
The shotgun was layered over the hellblast i do not see how it could've affected your ability to not run into the ring
earnest cape
As i said imma try to get a better clip
cerulean estuary
Alright you do that
rain basalt
Sorry for inconvience
knotty moat
@cerulean estuary thats about as helpful as "just dodge"
also doot i think someone posted smth about sentries before
rain basalt
Oh
cerulean estuary
Byeah sentry suggestions are pretty frequent
rain basalt
There are sub-classes which are either under-represented , normaly represented and Swords
cerulean estuary
<@388900046323712000> thats about as helpful as "just dodge"
Regardless of if you think I'm "hurdur just don't get it"ing my point that the shotgun blast was covered by the hellblast meaning shotgun blast isn't really to blame for "restricting their movement" in that vid
rain basalt
Regardless of if you think I'm "hurdur just don't get it"ing my point that the s...
The problem about Brimmy isn't herself but building an arena
frozen hornet
There are sub-classes which are either under-represented , normaly represented a...
are you suggesting add more throwing stuff
cerulean estuary
Doot we're talking about the suggestion right above yours
rain basalt
~~are you suggesting add more throwing stuff~~
No , it's Rouge class
frozen hornet
rogue isn't throwing
rain basalt
Doot we're talking about the suggestion right above yours
Sorry , again
rain basalt
rogue isn't throwing
I know
frozen hornet
then
rain basalt
then
Rouge exist because in Terraria Journey's End , removed Throwing class. which Fab made the choice of revamping the class as Rogue
frozen hornet
Yes I know
rain basalt
So
cerulean estuary
What
Rogue was around before journeys end lol
I am 99.99% sure that that statement is completely wrong doot
frozen hornet
Yea Rogue has been around for a long while,but it is indeed supposed to replace the throwing class
earnest cape
Cant seem to find a better clip so imma just change the wording
rain basalt
So anyway my plan for Sentries
rain basalt
Tarragorn Horned Helm and Bloodflare Wyren Helm give +2 , Silva Horned Helm +3 , Auric Space Helm +4 and Demonshade Helm +5 sentry slots
The above and belows will be my plan to make sentries better
earnest cape
iirc calamity sentries are balanced upon just having 1
Im too tired to put out words tonight
Never mind me then
sleek turret
i mean yeah, they're balanced, tbf Guidelight of Oblivion can do massive damage to polter if projectiles are stacked.
zealous ridge
Yeah right now they’re balanced around not being stacked
soo, adjustments may need to be made
we all remember Valhalla spikecrag
rain basalt
I also want to balance it by , like some minions , by limiting it
zealous ridge
able to murder polter faster than most setups
cobalt pewter
....
That's sis
In any case
Yes sentries are balanced around only one of them existing at most
ashen warren
who cares about sentries in calamity
rain basalt
who cares about sentries in calamity
Me , a fugging retarded
Also , sorry for bothering you
Anyway
marble hazel
who cares about sentries in calamity
Me cuz they cool af
rain basalt
after The Funny God-Eating Worm
marble hazel
Neat concept too imo
bitter drift
Me , a fugging retarded
same lol
honestly i hoped of another spider queen type of sentry
sentry that summon summons
grim tusk
Specific item suggs are not allowed
cerulean estuary
i don't think he has any of these in his suggestion
he's just ranting here about what specific items he would do
rain basalt
he's just ranting here about what specific items he would do
Yes
bitter drift
aren't we all?
let's be honest every single one of us has one or more specific item suggestion in his head
rain basalt
Just keep it to yourself
Sorry
cerulean estuary
my only suggestion i ever thought to give was making defiled be player not world but it's getting changed anyway, so no, not everyone does
bitter drift
sometimes spilling it out is a good idea
just make sure it's the right time
cobalt pewter
Probably giving the weapon high ammo reservation can be nice
And having the primary weapon not consume ammo ig
I mean primary attack
safe oasis
i never understood why the primary fire is there for the shredder or infinity
nothing like that is present in borderlands, seemed very random
(talking about the weird bouncy bullets not the fact that it has a primary fire)
zealous ridge
that’s true, yeah
it makes the weapon more interesting somewhat, imo
But I don’t really know anyone who uses it, or at least I don’t see a reason to
cobalt pewter
low%
zealous ridge
Bc it’s more lag when you could use a stronger bullet
like holy fire, luminite, terra
terra is just better shredder bullets
tawny garden
lag?
cobalt pewter
The primary bullets are also heavily lag inducing iirc
safe oasis
someone suggest to remove it im still on slowmode
tawny garden
You can wait the slowmode out
zealous ridge
Shredder mentions being a lag machine
And that’s usually the laser boilets
but optimization has likely made them less of an issue over time
ashen warren
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daring imp
yo when will my suggestions appear in the suggestions voting?
i got more suggestions fresh from the oven to make
like why tf does the tentacles from the miniature plantera minion from plantation staff dissapear sometimes?!
eternal escarp
that sounds like a bug more then just a suggestion?
and it takes a day, give or take some hours
daring imp
oh yeah i forgot #bugs-read-pins exists
hollow shell
yo when will my suggestions appear in the suggestions voting?
They get transferred 24 hours after they were posted
(sometimes there's a bit of a delay cuz the bot goes down but most of the time it's 24 hours on the dot)
eternal escarp
yeah, SiS
tawny garden
@wary escarp read the doc in the pins
eternal escarp
breh
hot zephyr
You probably should
eternal escarp
shouldve read them before 
eternal escarp
lmfao
gray nebula
i made sprites for it actually (leaks them)
eternal escarp
😳
daring imp
@wary escarp specific item ideas won't be listened sry
hot zephyr
eternal escarp
more sprites pog 
tawny garden
<:widesadcat1:772739983210708992><:widesadcat2:772739983101526027><:widesadcat3:...
holy fuck
wary escarp
should i uh, delete it or keep it?
eternal escarp
well,
tawny garden
delete it
daring imp
maybe you can try donating to their patreon so they can add whatever item you ask
tawny garden
nah
summer sentinel
I deleted it for u as SIS are banned
wary escarp
SMFH it got deleted
daring imp
yeah sadly you have to delete, i'm sad about it too
eternal escarp
you can edit it prolly to just say "make more upgrades to the hallowed rune" but sunno if that is fine
robust lava
i made sprites for it actually (leaks them)
iban posts every calamity sprite at once
tawny garden
patreon rewards no longer include items
summer sentinel
if you want the original post I can still get that for you
daring imp
the idea is really awesome, right? sad that the glyph upgrades end on hallowed rune
eternal escarp
prty sure just saying "give more upgardes" is a fine sugg
if a reason is attached
that is
wary escarp
the idea is really awesome, right? sad that the glyph upgrades end on hallowed r...
new upgrade, LUMINITE
i wish new calamity update would really support summoners, since their lack of defense makes it hard for them to survive
daring imp
yeah but wouldn't the luminite upgrade have a buff for each fragment? which means 4 buffs?
eternal escarp
afaik, summoner ai is hard to code, so it makes sense why summoner has way less weapons then others
and the fact the stacking is removed and compenstated with more damage will give summoners the option to play like all classes and get accesory to let them actually survive afaik
so over all next update should make summoner better overall
daring imp
hell ye summoner even better, with whips
daring imp
i hope they add more rare weapons as i suggested before
eternal escarp
and thats way out of the question atm
daring imp
summoner currently only has 1 rare weapon and a legendary
eternal escarp
whips will take quite a long time and they would prolly be balanced
eternal escarp
also, youd need atleast 200 stars
i made an astral whip sprite for fun once, tell me about it
daring imp
anyone can gimme mone so i can donate to them? that's just a joke
well i have nothing else to discuss here so
robust lava
There currently isn't a patreon reward to get an item implemented
eternal escarp
prty sure the new reward isnt told for the wide public atm
daring imp
the reward is getting your item in the mod
tawny garden
nope
robust lava
As I said, not currently
daring imp
pretty much like how thorium, redemption and other mods do, right?
daring imp
like we donate to their patreon and get our item added to the mod as a donator item
eternal escarp
read that message
eternal escarp
its no longer a thing as of now
daring imp
shit, that's sad
eternal escarp
they have a huge backlog of items afaik, which is one of the reasons i believe
tawny garden
imo having a lot of dedicated items in the mod is 
fossil finch
Why we should stop letting people get whatever item they want in as a patreon reward with fabsol's pov:
tawny garden
hot zephyr
Literally 80% of donor weps:
grim tusk
Oracle
Keelhaul
Where a mistake
Also tyranny’s end
But this one cuz its shit unlike the other 2 which need to die
grim tusk
There are 4 types of donor items (in terms of balance from weak to strongest)
Shit
Underpowered
Dark Spark
WHY IS THIS SHIT SO STRONG
tawny garden
Dark Spark is cool
grim tusk
That is the exception cuz its actually good
tawny garden
because it's a reference to Pink Floyd
zenith hazel
@rancid saddle no memes here, ty
rancid saddle
among us whip nae nae tho
zenith hazel
I don't care
hollow shell
...
@rancid saddle Haven't we told you like multiple times to take the sugg chats more seriously
boreal barn
violet dagger
among us whip nae nae tho
grim tusk
among us whip nae nae tho
pine star
among us whip nae nae tho
heady storm
Yeah just going to warn you by now @rancid saddle.
zealous ridge
Interesting take
crude geode
Aren’t sentries a subclass
#suggestions-posting message
tawny garden
he's asking to have more of them in general
which
dunno if it falls under "specific points in progression"
pine star
And it isn't saying to add more sentries because they're doing a sentry playthrough
crude geode
he’s also asking for more accessories tailored to them, giving them more slots (which is like the reason why sentry balancing is a headache), and specific ones for points in progression
tawny garden
and in any case, iirc the don't wasn't designed to stop suggs like that
it was only designed to stop people from asking for an exo gun
and co.
"because I'm doing a gun only playthrough"
pine star
Or a yoyo
crude geode
I think the extra slot thing should be removed tho, tbh, Bc that is why there aren’t more sentries. Specifically Bc balancing them is a pain in the ass with extra slots.
pine star
yeah
zealous ridge
It would be rebalancing, yes
But I think it’s inaccurate to say that they’re inherently unbalanced if there’s more than one of them
That feels naive to me, because numbers can very well be adjusted
regardless yeah, I’m not exactly down for everything in this suggestion because it’s trying to cover too much ground
crude geode
Mhm, it feels like too grand of a rework to me.
zealous ridge
I would like it, but as far as I’m concerned it shouldn’t be priority
sentries are a great gateway to a potentially active summoner play style, and I’d hope that gets explored in due time, but the suggestion’s various points make it hard to fully agree with
crude geode
Also like...darksun mirror and nanotech exist independent from each other because you can’t really use both stealth and spam rogue at the same time effectively
pine star
sentries are a great gateway to a potentially active summoner play style, and I’...
plasma accelerator sentry when
crude geode
I really wish sentries would be explored more
go play thorium
zealous ridge
yes, and for the record I think that’s actually one of the better parts of this suggestion
pine star
~~go play thorium~~
why did you ping me
zealous ridge
On the other hand, sentry slots to armors is plain and simple, more damage with no associated rebalancing
because you’ll be using these armors anyways if youre summoner, there is no meaningful trade off
it’s power creep
Which is something that is being purged from summoner, at least with recent changes
crude geode
@zenith hazel How do you feel about this suggestion? Is it valid? #suggestions-posting message
zealous ridge
an accessory that gives more sentry bonuses is not bad, imo, especially as a foil to nucleo, but more sentry slots on summoner sets cannot be handled like it’s just a secondary minion
zenith hazel
it is in the grey area in terms of it being valid
zealous ridge
I think sentries could do for some distinction in that regard
zenith hazel
because sentry suggestions do not do well at all once they reach dev server
I'll tell you that
zealous ridge
haha, I’m sure associations with balance have soured the dev’s views on it?
Spikecrag comes to mind, as does Valhalla
zealous ridge
they’re handled very poorly in vanilla
Does that mean they can’t be helped? Not exactly, but by all accounts the current system isn’t broken
crude geode
an accessory that gives more sentry bonuses is not bad, imo, especially as a foi...
The problem with a sentry accessory on tier with nucleogenesis is that you then have to balance summoner around using both the sentry accessory and nucleogenesis, which just results in the shit stacking nonsense that’s being removed next update.
zealous ridge
well, here’s the thing
- Why do they have to be equippable together?
this is an initial solution, which is being implemented in draedon’s update already, so why not have it apply to a sentry boosting accessory like this, as well?
crude geode
I guess that can make sense
However, at that point, you’re practically supporting it as an actual subclass like true melee or stealth rogue, if it’s on tier with nucleogenesis
zealous ridge
- While it’s true stacking is an issue in this area, I feel that you are focusing too much on the fact that more slots = bad, which is difficult to justify when it’s a separate system from minions which may function and be balanced completely different. In addition, while minion slots are far more open and free to get, sentry slots are less common, resulting in more value placed in extra slots. but, why take that if you won’t focus on sentries and a different accessory is free to take that slot?
zealous ridge
However, at that point, you’re practically supporting it as an actual subclass l...
that’s the primary issue on its own, yes
It wouldn’t be a problem given more sentry content, but at this point it’s difficult to justify
Hence why I would perfer more focus on sentries in an update, rather than adding this item alone in a vacuum
crude geode
Sentries, especially in calamity are meant to be a support thing. There’s nothing besides OOA that gives extra sentry slots, hence why they’re typically balanced around having one sentry.
zealous ridge
yeah
I’m still going to absolutely advocate for better sentries, that system kind of... well, sucks ass and doesn’t have any precedents for balance?
crude geode
OOA breaks this rule, and by proxy the balancing of sentries, so Calamity just stays away from sentries as a whole.
zealous ridge
OOA breaks this rule, and by proxy the balancing of sentries, so Calamity just s...
Two solutions thus arise; balance sentries around a higher capacity, or ignore as you said
Ignoring is easier and helps devote time to dev priorities, so it works
One can only hope, though...
hollow shell
But it does mean there's a certain big balancing issue that we're just leaving in the game
zealous ridge
this is the case right now, yeah
crude geode
Spikecrag memes
Indeed.
zealous ridge
for the health of balance I’d say redesigning sentries would keep things fresh and not broken
crude geode
~~just like delete OOA ~~
zealous ridge
but I’m not gonna force it on anyone lol
ooa is ass and shouldn’t exist as it does, but another time for that
I’ll rest for now
cobalt pewter
However, at that point, you’re practically supporting it as an actual subclass l...
Stealth rogue isn't a subclass technically
safe oasis
stealth is meant to be a key factor in rogue i think
separating stealth rogue and spam rogue is like separating regen mage and mana flower mage
cerulean estuary
it's like tank melee and dps melee
safe oasis
updated with a better metaphor, worded it wrong
grim tusk
Or homing ranger or good aim ranger
real steppe
Yes please, more shark fins
ashen warren
I know this is against the rules but I still feel like it should be addressed. Antlions on Death Mode shoot an insane amount of sand, and its hard to clean up. If you're being honest with yourself, you will know that it doesn't add anything gameplaywise, as it can only hit you once. The only thing it really does is make it so that my builds are covered in sand all of the time and require constant maintenance.
grim tusk
Sounds good
ashen warren
Im so sick of it lol
whole sedge
Yeah this is understandable really
ashen warren
The dumbest part is that Ill accidentally be in the line of sight for half a second and boom, I have to mine all of the sand re-hammer everything around it.
Considering it hasn't been marked with❗ yet is a good sign that I'm not alone even if the suggestion goes against the rules.
crude geode
Death mode feature toggles are different from making antlion sand blasts not annoying
hollow shell
Is it against the rules? I don't think it is
violet dagger
I made a suggestion about it a while ago
not a bluecheck tho because it didn't reach the star requirement
ashen warren
That sucks, that should really be changed
safe oasis
@ashen warren the whole “if you’re being honest with yourself” bit doesn’t fit at all
seems condescending
river glen
yay my mount suggestion hit 200
low hedge
radiant meadow
Oh ye
Astral sand working with sand gun had some technical issues
That's why it doesn't
golden narwhal
Same issue with gels and flamethrowers, I'm guessing
radiant meadow
Pink/Blighted Gel could be made into special ammo but they'd have no special effects
Astral Sand has technical difficulties because you also can place it as a tile
And assigning it a shootspeed like you do to ammo causes sandballs to fly out from your hand when trying to place sand
crude geode
Couldn’t you copy the code from normal sand with sand gun?
crude geode
Weird
cerulean estuary
Might be similar to planter boxes
Ive heard from mods that add an herb that it's so hardcoded they have to have a planter box specifically for that herb
safe oasis
assuming that’s why no mod ever adds a pillar
cerulean estuary
Pillars are because there's nowhere to put it
And most people dislike pillars
They're tedious
hot zephyr
It is
hollow shell
The purpose of the current recipe is so that you can 'catch up' on your missing swords when you wanna craft Ark
frozen storm
And some HM material
hot zephyr
Right, right, mixing it up with Starfury
hollow shell
A lot of our vanilla item recipes are in a tier higher than when you can first obtain them, which is to encourage you to find their real versions
rain basalt
Someone pinged and why tho?
hot zephyr
Which.. is just a better sword
frozen storm
iirc starfury is buffed
earnest cape
i mean tbf assuming you're doing at least a medium world with moderate luck you can have at least get 2/3 enchanted swords
hollow shell
(you can use the inbox button to see your pings, doot)
earnest cape
cause planetoid and medium world has 3 shrine
frozen storm
DMode
earnest cape
walls
frozen storm
Good luck filling your 1/10 of your cosmos with walls
whole sedge
yeah uh I have not once struggled to get an enchanted sword and the reason it's craftable in hard mode is to encourage y'know actually finding it and then having it only be obtainable near ark to catch up
earnest cape
you can need to place walls on where you're going
hollow shell
(you're seein what me and Ted are sayin right, EmiG?)
frozen storm
Ye
hollow shell
aight
whole sedge
in a medium world, which fun fact isn't recommended because of world gen being too small, i still can consistently get one so i do not see the point of it being craftable in pre-hm
crude geode
Oh no, melee can’t use enchanted sword guaranteed pre-hm, now it’s gonna starve
golden narwhal
frozen hornet
I've never found an enchanted sword shrine 
crude geode
Better add 15 more pre-boss swords to make up for it
eternal escarp
~~ive found atleast 2 each playthrough ~~
frozen hornet
damn you hoarding
tawny garden
frozen hornet
I made 3 large worlds to try and find an enchanted sword to craft the Zenith,none of them had a shrine. I ended up just cheating it in
crude geode
That...is literally impossible.
Worlds are guaranteed to spawn with a shrine in them
tawny garden
Its """entrance""" is 1 tile wide
And kind of hidden
But if you have light around you, they're easy to spot
earnest cape
Oh ye don't forgt seashine sword exists which is enchanted sword 2.0
crude geode
Oh ye don't forgt seashine sword exists which is enchanted sword 2.0
@frozen storm see above
Plus there’s already a ton of other options. The recipe is meant as to help you catch-up if you didn’t get it from the bazillion shrines in the sky and underground.
tawny garden
Large worlds must have at least 2 (4 in 1.3) shrines @frozen hornet
earnest cape
Melee has too many weapons anyway......
tawny garden
[[tgc:Enchanted Sword Shrine]]
red stormBOT
ashen warren
seems condescending
I was upset when I posted it lol sorry
frozen hornet
Large worlds must have at least 2 (4 in 1.3) shrines <@645794774145826857>
Then I'm just blind
Also the 1 tile shaft is not guaranteed making it really hard to find sometimes
earnest cape
Wegud
hollow shell
I mean the suggestion is valid
It's just, disagreeable
The reason could be edited to address some of these points, if EmiG wants to
crude geode
Indeed
earnest cape
yep
bitter drift
honestly i find it strange as well
maybe make it use bones or abyssal gravel?
from the placement of these swords it seems like it should be a post skelly thing
low hedge
brazillion
earnest cape
if we're making it using bones may as well not make the recipe since it's so close to hardmode
and enchanted sword doesn't really have that "organic" feel to it so(in my opinion) using abyssal gravel would be kinda strange
earnest cape
oh yeah this is big brain time
bitter drift
if we're making it using bones may as well not make the recipe since it's so clo...
really?
you have slime god and wall of flesh to defeat using it if you make it from bones
and you can mine abyssal gravel with a nightmare pick meaning it's even before skeletron
just to state some knowlage
bitter drift
ya it make less sense then anything else i just tried finding a material from the dungeon
earnest cape
the use for enchanted sword is for it to eventually turn into ark of the ancients which is hardmode and using bones is pretty close to hardmode
or late pre-hardmode
bitter drift
late pre hard mode
but it doesn't matter
there are weapon that are made even later then post skelly
earnest cape
i can't seem to find words to say
bitter drift
i can't seem to find words to say
wdym
bitter drift
xD
earnest cape
anyhow you get my point right?
bitter drift
ya but i disagree
earnest cape
oh well ¯_(ツ)_/¯
bitter drift
like you are saying why make a weapon craftable right before it's upgrade
bitter drift
but that is also contradictory because as of now it's craftable at the same time AS the upgrade
earnest cape
AS upgrade ?
bitter drift
as the upgrade
earnest cape
ah
bitter drift
it's like having the galaves from rogue be up-gradable from the second you buy them
earnest cape
i think the point that it's craftable at around the same point as it's upgrade is so you can catch up if you don't already have it(quoting someone) the same as celestial magnet that's normally obtainable pre-boss but also craftable in hardmode with frigid bars(?) and souls
so there's at least a way to get it without either rng or relying on other mods
bitter drift
technecly both ways are RNG
earnest cape
well if we see it as that technically everything is rng
bitter drift
RNG in world gen
RNG in the shop
still RNG
eternal escarp
i mean, theres always a shrine spawn, so its not exactly RNG to get an enchanted sword
earnest cape
yeah but the crafting recipe for it clears the rng
or helps somewhat at least
and ye^^
bitter drift
i mean, theres always a shrine spawn, so its not exactly RNG to get an enchanted...
is there no RNG in shrines?
because some of them are fake shrines
earnest cape
planetoid
bitter drift
sometimes ALL of them are fake shrines
eternal escarp
im prty sure 1 is always real
bitter drift
nope
eternal escarp
and the planetoid one is always real iirc yeah
bitter drift
i had 3 worlds without those
earnest cape
there will always be at least 1 shrine especially with calamity with the planetoids
eternal escarp
its not craftable right away to not remove its rarity i believe
bitter drift
i am saying post skeletron
eternal escarp
because if you can craft it right away, its sole "thing" from vanilla is practically gone
well, why would you even need it post skeletron?
melee has enough weapons anyway
earnest cape
it would be kinda useless if you can craft it after skeletron if you think about it
since it's outclassed by other melee weapons that tier and you need it post 1 mech in hardmode
eternal escarp
especially since theres weapons that do the same thing but diffrent lol
earnest cape
but don't get me wrong it would be fine if you can craft it with bones i just disagree with theer being one
eternal escarp
for example, gelitic blade is just that but stronger and bigger i believe?
eternal escarp
but don't get me wrong it would be fine if you can craft it with bones i just di...
yeah this, sugg is valid obv
earnest cape
the gelitic blade is strong for wof where it slows down after hitting something leading to multiple hits
still, it does have some inevitable problems since hungries exist to block your path and they move a lot
eternal escarp
well theres enough weapons to fix that
eternal escarp
theres a melee for every situation
eternal escarp
byeah
i dont really see the point of making it craftable at the point its already omega outgeared
pulsar imp
Tbh I would like it if I could toggle the summoner damage penalty, idk if thats a feature already but if it isnt I would like to have the penalty toggle-able so I can do a multiclass lol
crude geode
You can still do multi class. Just don’t expect calamity to support it.
