suggestions-discussion

[golden narwhal]

[tawny garden]

they go to #suggestions-voting

[ashen warren]

Thought so

[tawny garden]

or they're deleted if they're bad

[dapper coral]

#suggestions-posting is kinda like a waiting room for suggs

after 24 hours if they are valid and all that, they will go to voting

else they will explot

[ashen warren]

Makes sense

[void kelp]

(for those reading, keep in mind that the ‘freedom of speech’ only applies to whether or not the government is allowed to punish you for criticizing it, not whether or not you can say whatever you want without consequence)

[wooden wedge]

wrong channel ?

[tawny garden]

he was talking to MushManMason and to possibly others

I think

[void kelp]

dropped it in here knowing one of the criticisms of Suggs is... ‘Lack of freedom of speech’

[pine star]

[void kelp]

#suggestions-posting message @ashen warren yo, can you change the phrasing of this a bit to make it more clear?

not sure what you mean by interchangeable

[tawny garden]

"make it multiclass"

[ashen warren]

Alright

[void kelp]

interchangeable doesnt really make sense yeah

[ashen warren]

I'll rephrase

Alright, how's that?

[shrewd solar]

kinda awkward wording but sure

[void kelp]

yeah it makes more sense

[crystal iron]

Why did it get exclaimed, it doesn't seem like it's breaking any Donts, unless I'm missing smth

Oh nvm

[void kelp]

I do have a counterpoint to that, however, in that you have a lot of options for armor already

exclaimed it so we can make sure it’s actually understandable and clear what the suggestor wants

[tawny garden]

(yeah spider❗that was kinda unnecessary)

[eternal escarp]

yeah it was brought up alot, that other classes also fill those gaps aswell with their own armors

[void kelp]

(it existed for like five mins as a reminder for me to make sure it gets cleaned up;;)

[eternal escarp]

and that more multiclass is cringe

[tawny garden]

but what if you forget

[eternal escarp]

other mods can remove it

[void kelp]

well it was there because it signified an error that needed to be fixed

[radiant meadow]

❗ should only be for if a suggestion breaks some rules.

Not because someone brought up a potential counterpoint because that does not invalidate a suggestion.

[dapper coral]

wrong channel @ashen warren

[radiant meadow]

And it should only be done if the poster was pinged and notified about the issue.

[ashen warren]

It was an accident, I dropped my keyboard lol

[tawny garden]

[void kelp]

Oh I exclaimed it bc it had the problem of being hard to understand

if a quick skim can’t understand what the suggestion’s intent is, I will exclaim it because a lack of clarity goes nowhere

[ashen warren]

If anything isn't clear, I'll be happy to expand upon whatever it is

[shrewd solar]

I feel like sulfur armor is kinda unnecessary as a multi-class

[eternal escarp]

yeah, but the sugg is valid nontheless

[void kelp]

correct

[eternal escarp]

we have the freedom of choosing not to star the suggestion

[pine star]

[ashen warren]

pain

Probably for the best though, now that I've heard some opposing arguments

[void kelp]

it’s aight

[river glen]

what about allowing a brother to start moving around once one died

to not make it a dead phase pretty much

[pine star]

It kinda will still be dead

[river glen]

true, not as dead

since u actually have to start dodging

[tawny garden]

@cloud pier

ffs

no

[dapper coral]

@cloud pier ffs

do you want to be punished too

[radiant meadow]

Honestly, I think that's enough for a warn.

[cloud pier]

i mean no but the number of dms ive gotten from him is incredible

[dapper coral]

it doesn't matter

[radiant meadow]

I think it's been made very clear that joke suggestions are not allowed.

[cloud pier]

alright man

im concerned you've been typing for 2 minutes now

[dapper coral]

you have been warned.

you should know by now not to meme about, especially in regards to this whole stupid bit

[knotty moat]

what was the suggestion

[tawny garden]

shit

don't fill your head with useless stuff

[knotty moat]

i love useless stuff lay it on me man

[radiant meadow]

Let's not stray offtopic now. Please keep the topic to relevant suggestions.

[knotty moat]

alright alright

[tawny garden]

@ashen warren references for he sake of references are a don't

And you don't have a reason

[pine star]

Also the MOAB is an accessory that is decent for every class

[tawny garden]

And it feels like a meme sugg

[pine star]

It probably is

[ashen warren]

bruh hop off your high horse, its a joke.

[tawny garden]

no jokes in suggs

[robust lava]

It's also the rules of suggestions

[tawny garden]

[zenith hazel]

bot is down, notified amber

[unreal viper]

I missed 2 meme Suggs, sad!

[stable bolt]

[frail mantle]

don't need to point it out like it's a special occasion

[violet dagger]

welp

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[wooden wedge]

calm down with the emotes please.

[violet dagger]

is a knockoff of sadcat that is nowhere as good

[pine star]

It is better for one purpose:
If you were attempting to nohit DoG and failed

[violet dagger]

sounds good

[wooden wedge]

ah i didnt see the sugg

[tawny garden]

lol

[radiant meadow]

and are more like a sarcastic sad tbh.

[pine star]

is partially sarcastic
is raw, unfiltered sarcasm

[gray nebula]

tf

sadcat not even in here???

[tawny garden]

yeah

[gray nebula]

[sharp prism]

we have

[gray nebula]

ah

[pine star]

[gray nebula]

the bad bootleg.,

so yeah add sadcat

[pine star]

It's better for one purpose:
If you were attempting to nohit DoG and failed

[fossil finch]

also exists for some reason

[tawny garden]

long overdue

[fossil finch]

what the fuck is this

[pine star]

idk

[tawny garden]

I used that one

[violet dagger]

I dont think trauma would really be popular

[fossil finch]

[gray nebula]

(no ill intent towards aym, who drew the dog emotes but damn they're terribly worse compared to their normal version in terms of usefulness)

[violet dagger]

ech is inherently superior

[tawny garden]

and I've seen people use it occasionally

[unreal viper]

Is beautiful

[tawny garden]

[worthy lintel]

[unreal viper]

We have enough sad emotes

[tawny garden]

thing is

[violet dagger]

not complete without sadcat

[tawny garden]

this server has more sad emotes than happy emotes

[unreal viper]

[pine star]

PensiveDoGCowboy is a good work of art, but I don't know what its purpose as an emote is

[tawny garden]

by far

[heady storm]

Is the bot dead.

[tawny garden]

yes

[violet dagger]

well tbh is more sarcastic sad

[heady storm]

Okay then hand me a few.

@ashen warren and so you know.

[tawny garden]

she's already been-

[violet dagger]

bots been having a lot of issues lately

[sharp prism]

[gray nebula]

pensivecore isn't sadness, sad is just sad, the other 2 are just ironic

[golden narwhal]

Delete the others if necessary, sadcat is superior

[violet dagger]

not my fault chetto has nitro and I dont

or is it

[gray nebula]

if sadcat was bad it wouldn't have a thousand edits!

[pine star]

Nothing can compare to in terms of ironic sadness

[gray nebula]

take that haters

[sharp prism]

Cheeto you still failed

do :sadcat:

[worthy lintel]

are you sure

[heady storm]

I am trying Dank.

[sharp prism]

lmao

[heady storm]

‘’Test funny.’’

[tawny garden]

the only way is to put it in backticks

[heady storm]

Yeah this is terrible on mobile.

[sharp prism]

mobile™️

[tawny garden]

discord funy

[cobalt pewter]

\

Use that

[heady storm]

Hold on I need to get on my PC.

[tawny garden]

will not work

[cobalt pewter]

What

[tawny garden]

!HDfailure

[cobalt pewter]

\:sadcat:

:sadcat:

What

[tawny garden]

wh

[cobalt pewter]

Philo being noob again

[tawny garden]

\ why does this turn into !HDfailure

[cobalt pewter]

:HDFailure:

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Don't use the images

Uhhhh

[heady storm]

Okay this can cease because I fixed the issue already.

[tawny garden]

m

[cobalt pewter]

[violet dagger]

[heady storm]

Go back to mod innovation.

[hot zephyr]

I need to make :hyperwhat:

[radiant meadow]

Because that's how Discord formats emotes, <:EmoteName:EmoteID>, like how a user mention turns into <@!UserIDHere> or a role mention being <@&RoleIDHere>

[tawny garden]

I know that

[radiant meadow]

Then why would you ask

[tawny garden]

I was implying "why doesn't it happen for Feedza, but does for me?"

[cobalt pewter]

:HDFailure:

Most likely just mobile shenanigans, I'd presume

Mobile is quirky sometimes

[tawny garden]

aaahhh

[sharp prism]

OH NOW YOU MENTION IT

[hot zephyr]

Dank if you suggest another emote I'm going to launch you into space

[sharp prism]

shhh

[hot zephyr]

I'LL FUCKIN DO IT.

[crude geode]

His last one failed Anyways

[cobalt pewter]

Dank can we not

[sharp prism]

understandable

[tawny garden]

Ian

go back to your bunker

[sharp prism]

i dont have any more emotes to sugg anyways

[cobalt pewter]

Not the best solution but it's getting there

[tawny garden]

where you belong

[sharp prism]

TK

scroll up

[tawny garden]

it was moved

@radiant meadow

Brav forgot to delete

[zenith hazel]

forgot to delete

[radiant meadow]

oh then Brav is just bad and didn't delete the original

okay then

[violet dagger]

ech

[radiant meadow]

smh

There, transferred one for real this time.

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

Petition to clone all devs but brav

[tawny garden]

no.

[fossil finch]

make draedon do that

[pine star]

[knotty moat]

is it just me or does all these suggestions just seem like people complaining about having to actually build an arena like they do for every boss

[pine star]

The Ceaseless Void one is fine IMO

Polter is already fought in the Dungeon and changes aggression based on the size of your arena

[weak field]

I mean, I'd like to see the suggestion implemented so I can save some effort

But I personally don't see an absolute reason

[golden narwhal]

Yea, it's mostly for the sake of saving time/some form of consistency with polter, which isn't an issue for everyone

(Also, CV already does a form of de-aggroing in a small arena iirc, it's mostly just a core issue with the fight when in limited space)

[zenith hazel]

bot's back up

[tawny garden]

🎉

[violet dagger]

[civic notch]

[dapper maple]

imo the issue with Ceaseless is how many of those orbs spawn lol.

it forced me to double my arena size, which in turn I believe made him stronger or something?

I know it does that for Polter, not sure about Void

[cobalt pewter]

Bot unded ig

[earnest cape]

[dreamy drift]

the gap between the phases would have to be very long tho

oh its deleted

[crude geode]

Alternative idea, delete community

[eternal escarp]

i do feel like the buffs just arent worth it in the endgame

when other items can just take its place and are easier to get

like HoTE, which has a bit more better buffs then community last timei checked (while elementals off)

[kindred creek]

I personally get rid of it after providence if I even bother to pick it up

[whole sedge]

Yeah, I got a feeling this will kinda be fixed with The Great Flattening™️ that 1.5 promises to bring though

[eternal escarp]

(community is better in certain buffs while HoTE in others, i did a comparison of them from pre-prov once, and its prolly the same)

the great flattening might indirectly buff it, since most bosses will have less hp and def and stuff, but im assuming community might get a little nerf itself

so it might just sit tightly in the curve

[crude geode]

I mean look at legendary drops and then look at community

It’s actually a miracle it lasts as long as it does.

[whole sedge]

Yeah, for a legendary it surely lasts a long time especially compared to some other accessories

[eternal escarp]

communities bufs, which are nice, but then

HoTE off toggle buffs

[kindred creek]

look at the affliction buffs lol

[eternal escarp]

theres really not alot of diffrence between the two items that makes 1 better

3% damage and the defense are the only stuff i think of

[kindred creek]

the issue is that its easier to obtain both the affliction and the HoTE than the community

[eternal escarp]

mhm

[whole sedge]

by a long shot also

[crude geode]

Community also lasts for longer than other legendary items.

[kindred creek]

it should be used in an endgame combination item like the sponge

[eternal escarp]

well, that probably will never happen

[crude geode]

mmmm endgame combination items

[eternal escarp]

drataliornus and apotheosis (?) are enough

[crude geode]

Kinda cringe ngl

[eternal escarp]

dont make a should get accesory for scal that tedious to get

[kindred creek]

it just seems so useless for how good it's supposed to be

[eternal escarp]

although

when i think of it

the community also gives more flight time

byeah thats it i believe

[kindred creek]

infinite flight mounts anyone?

[eternal escarp]

those

arent really great for combat

i never use them

[kindred creek]

lol I use the UFO all the time

[eternal escarp]

not even brimrose?

what

[crude geode]

^

[whole sedge]

still have yet to even use a mount in a fight really

[crude geode]

Cringe

[eternal escarp]

i use them only for building ill be honest

[crude geode]

Same

[eternal escarp]

they suck in battles except BH1

and even then

its a little stretch

[crude geode]

byech

[kindred creek]

yeah, well flight time doesnt even matter anyway really

because you have an arenea

[eternal escarp]

ehhhhhh

[crude geode]

Kinda does matter, but off topic.

[eternal escarp]

i find myself hooking to the walls alot because i loose it, byeah we are going off topic

[crude geode]

Community doesn’t really need to be better. It’s already viable for like half the game, and then it gets replaced. Similar to counter scarf.

or legendary weapons in general

[eternal escarp]

yknow

that is a fair point actually

[kindred creek]

but when it has upgrades all the way up to Yharon, it should be viable all the way up to yharon

[eternal escarp]

well

theres alot of weapons that upgrade at yharon per say

not all of them are 100% viable

[distant gyro]

What I often say about The Community is that it lives to its mediocrity

if you get it you can just keep using it

[whole sedge]

I mean really just because it has upgrades to yharon doesn't really mean it has to be viable up until Yharon

[distant gyro]

but there's always something better

[eternal escarp]

yeah, it is pretty decent, thats true

its like a lazy item for those who dont like switching gears

[kindred creek]

it kinda sucks given the work you need to get it

[distant gyro]

that being said, the fact that you can keep using it and it will always at least be mediocre is good enough

[eternal escarp]

well, you dont have to work for it

[distant gyro]

you can possess it for 50% of the game

[eternal escarp]

its not a nessecity at all

[crude geode]

“the work you need to get it”
Don’t say it like it’s no-hitting SCal. You’re farming Anahita and Levi for 5 hours. It’s not difficult, just time consuming.

[distant gyro]

or for 3 minutes

[eternal escarp]

unless you farm for it pre plant and down, then thats your problem

[distant gyro]

legendary-luck balance experience

[crude geode]

[eternal escarp]

i got sea searings in my first treasure bag while i was nohitting, aka cheating weapons in
sad luck

[kindred creek]

this is kinda off topic, but what happened to that absolutely broken accessory you used to be able to get from leviathan?

[eternal escarp]

?

[distant vault]

Siren's Heart?

[kindred creek]

i think, yeah

[crude geode]

Is now Aquatic Heart

Idk about it being broken like ever it’s just a good aquatic accessory

[eternal escarp]

drops from ??? itself, not the boss

[kindred creek]

there was a really broken accesory a while back

it was way better than aquatic heart

[crude geode]

...got removed for being busted then, prolly.

[robust lava]

Community?

[distant gyro]

there's only 3 accessories from levi afaik; enchanted pearl (lol), pearl of enthrallment (fodder), and the community (luck)

enchanted pearl is moved to post-evil

but I don't think you're calling the crate potion 2 broken

[kindred creek]

there were 2 versions of it

one blue and one greem

[distant vault]

Yes siren's heart

it wasn't really broken

It was just yay i can explore with an infinite dangersense or spelunker buff

[eternal escarp]

and the ambergis, right?

but who uses that

[distant gyro]

ambergris is a conspiracy theory

[kindred creek]

is it really that bad?

i never used it

[distant vault]

Its uh, something that exists

[eternal escarp]

its mostly just loose a slot for water convenience

[distant vault]

That's basically the jist of it lol

[kindred creek]

so like, celestial shell but worse

[distant vault]

i mean sort of i guess

[crude geode]

Celestial Shell actually has meaning outside of water

[distant gyro]

siren's heart was between neptune's shell and celestial shell, leaning towards the neptune's shell side

[distant vault]

the water arena accesory but cringe

[eternal escarp]

most of aquatic heart also only works after skeletron i believe

[distant vault]

yes

[kindred creek]

why was siren's heart removed anyway?

[distant vault]

Because anahita happened

So it was renamed and reworked into the aquatic heart

[kindred creek]

ok

[distant gyro]

the only thing you get from pre-skeletron aquatic heart is unlimited (better) shine effect

[distant vault]

also a cool siren vanity :)

[cobalt pewter]

I'm pretty sure this sugg is kinda why Legendary weapons lose their progression scaling

[crude geode]

Indeed

[distant vault]

i cut one of my messages about it lol

that message being

this sugg does feel a bit strange for the whole idea why scaling for the rest of the stuff was removed, so you wouldn't have an incredibly good thing for the entire game

[kindred creek]

maybe just make legendary weapons worth the hours of farming

[distant vault]

they are

wdym

[cobalt pewter]

Also the sugg to make Legendary challenge based instead of luck based will be approved for an eternity

[distant vault]

cough cough malachite all the way up to providence cough cough

and then seas searing kills anything pre mech up to post plantera

Blossom flux kills up to pbg etc.

and then funny briny baron

[kindred creek]

So you making legendary weapons not luck base any more?

[cobalt pewter]

Some Legendary weapons will probably get a silent buff in 1.5 due to how the flattening works

[cobalt pewter]

That was the suggestion, but it was just approved atm

Nothing else yet

[distant vault]

[cobalt pewter]

That said, Cosmic Discharge still sucks major ass

[distant vault]

Astrum aureus legendary also exists which I'm not sure if it's good or not

never tried it

[cobalt pewter]

Leonid is

Alright

Not as good as funne Malachite iirc

[distant vault]

makes sense why i don't hear much about it then

[cobalt pewter]

It was unobtainable when it was added to live

[frail mantle]

i know that at least the later game/post-ML Legendaries like Briny Baron and Pristine Fury will be more worth it because power curve flattening means you can use your weapons for a longer period of time

[cobalt pewter]

Then we have Cosmic Discharge

[eternal escarp]

who knows, maybe it will be good for draedon cuz inf pierce?

and all the mechs and all

[cobalt pewter]

Well none of the team aside from Fab even knows how the fight will entail

[eternal escarp]

byeah, not really something we can rely or know

[cobalt pewter]

So can't say anything on that yea

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[kindred creek]

the only reason to get cosmic discharge is for apothisis

[cobalt pewter]

In any case, Cosmic Discharge is also the only Legendary with a single attack

As opposed to most others with at least 2 attacks, on left and right click

And Leonid and Malachite essentially have another attack thru stealth strikes

[kindred creek]

where can we see what's in the new update?

[eternal escarp]

#changelogs and pins in #calamity-update-talk can help

you will know truly everything only when update releases

and there is no release date

[crude geode]

The release date is Soon™️

[tawny garden]

inb4 in 4 months
Feedza: Grant all Rogue weapons 2 different stealth strikes.

[cobalt pewter]

Hey Final Dawn has 2, and it ain't even Legendary

[summer sentinel]

rule number lauren: don’t give Feedzuh ideas

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Final Dawn also has two attacks so kind of a moot point

[cobalt pewter]

Moot point?

[crude geode]

moot point

Inb4 feedza suggests to give every stealth strike a stealth strike, creating infinite stealth strikes

[sleek turret]

This suggestion is uhh, kinda specific on the last part.

[tawny garden]

And the reason is one sentence

[proper grail]

@modern hazel Rework not Reword

[earnest cape]

"ding dong ditch" moment?

[dapper maple]

"Be able to be aimed"

So...they can get targeted?

[real steppe]

Oh yes please make it stack to 20 indeed

Voodoo demons went from an annoyance to another annoyance

That suggestion will ease up things a lot

[remote crystal]

Idk if this is a calamity thing or a vien miner thing, but the Exodium Clusters on the planetoids don't work with Veinminer for some reason

[sharp prism]

vien miner thing

you can just whitelist it

[cobalt pewter]

You can always whitelist it yea

You can veinmine virtually everything with whitelist

[remote crystal]

Oh shit I'll try that later then

[tawny garden]

set veinminer to veinmine everything

[peak grotto]

veinmine the world into oblivion

[remote crystal]

Mods baby

Vein mine the entire Crimson away

[modern hazel]

So...they can get targeted?
No, i meant you can manually aim the hydras to where you want.

[frail mantle]

i think that's because VeinMiner only automatically whitelists tiles that have the word "ore" in their names

[earnest cape]

You have to add them manually ye

[ashen warren]

A weapon needs to be nerfed

[eternal escarp]

which one? and why?

and mostly for weapon nerf suggestions, you should ask a tester to help test them

[dapper coral]

(also don't ask us for any pre-ML testing rn because we aren't focusing on that)

[ashen warren]

This is post-ML

[dapper coral]

okay, which weapon

[ashen warren]

Solstice Claymore

[dapper coral]

it looks like it has been tested already for 1.5 and nerfed accordingly

[ashen warren]

So it will be changed on that update?

[dapper coral]

yeah

[ashen warren]

Ok

[kindred creek]

when is the update?

[dapper coral]

soon™️

[tawny garden]

in 2029

[dapper coral]

go check pins in #calamity-update-talk

there's an FAQ there

[shrewd solar]

the only correct answer

[tawny garden]

@river glen Elementals, not waifus

[eternal escarp]

please stop calling them waifus it hurts everyones brains

[tawny garden]

no, horni only makes me stronger

but that's beside the point

[river glen]

ok i k

i changed it

i thought they were called waifus

[tawny garden]

they were, years ago

[grim tusk]

Internally they still are

[tawny garden]

nope

[grim tusk]

Brimstone Waifu, Thicc Waifu

WMITF tells you a lot

Specially with show internal names option

[tawny garden]

BrimstoneElementalMinion, WaterElementalMinion, SandElementalHealer SandElementalMinion, CloudElementalMinion

I call bullshit

[radiant meadow]

ThiccWaifu is the enemy

cloud elemental that is

[grim tusk]

BrimstoneWaifu is the boss

[radiant meadow]

the boss no longer uses that terminology

[tawny garden]

public class BrimstoneElemental : ModNPC

[radiant meadow]

the hote component buffs still do though

[grim tusk]

Treasure bag also does if iirc

[radiant meadow]

and a few display names of the projectiles likely still use some of that terminology

the treasure bag does still

as do the elemental in a bottle items

[tawny garden]

Earth Elemental is a Horse

[radiant meadow]

I don't think it's a huge deal what the suggestion refers to them as though.

It gets the point across either way.

[grim tusk]

Also regarding that sugg, they are decent for summoner, but they are affected by summon damage nerf

[cobalt pewter]

Ninja armor doing the stealth thing is gud

crystal assassin being rogue in 1.4 could also be gaming

Wait a minute

Does that count as a don't

Since Ninja has throwing effects

In modded

@dapper coral

[tawny garden]

oh yeah

in 1.3.5.3, it gives throwing boosts

and

Any suggestions about making vanilla weapons or equipment deal/boost Rogue damage instead.

[cobalt pewter]

As much as I'd agree on the sugg, it might be a don't

[tawny garden]

so yeah @novel belfry your sugg is a don't I guess

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

though even if it wasn't a don't

they don't want to deal with vanilla throwing at all

Overwriting the stats & damage types of vanilla weapons/equipments is a more major change and pushes too far into the vanilla-editing territory than we are willing to trespass.

[novel belfry]

-It’s not that I want to change the damage (it still affects rogue regardless)
I just want a ninja set to have stealth, because y’know-

I can see that

[tawny garden]

hm

no idea how stealth works

maybe they'll be able to apply it regardless

[cobalt pewter]

That might still not be feasible no? Since it'd make the set still give rogue bonuses

In terms of stealth

Stealth gives rogue dmg bonus

[radiant meadow]

Obsidian will lose its rogue effects when tmodloader updates.

And it still does violate these guidelines https://gyazo.com/a35dfa8bebc03e9214ee3bc50541fc49

[cobalt pewter]

What

[crude geode]

I was gonna say

[cobalt pewter]

I thought obs armor will keep rogue effects

[radiant meadow]

No, it won't.

[cobalt pewter]

Mk then

[tawny garden]

Feedza died a bit

[cobalt pewter]

Not real

[crude geode]

It boosts summoner whips because summoner needs actual pre-hm content in vanilla.

[cobalt pewter]

ly

[radiant meadow]

Gladiator might keep it.

but Gladiator and Obsidian are needed a lot less with Snow Ruffian and Sulphurous armors being added

[crude geode]

If rogue needs more support it can get more support in that sense. But changing a vanilla set just Bc muh modded class will confuse new players.

[sand umbra]

Gladiator isn't really needed imo

Snow Ruffian fulfills the purpose of an early-game rogue-centric set pretty well and is much easier to come by than Gladiator

[cobalt pewter]

And sulp is right after eoc

lasts throughout phm byeah

[hot zephyr]

I loved Obsidian as an earlygame rogue armor but I agree, it'd be better as whip-centric summoner armor.

[dapper maple]

This mod is going to get reworked a lot when it goes up to 1.4 huh

[tawny garden]

and not a left wing whip summoner armor?

[hot zephyr]

what

oh

[tawny garden]

[hot zephyr]

Boo, not funny

[shrewd solar]

why is obsidian armor being used as an example when its gonna be switched to summoner

the suggestion makes sense but still

[mighty knot]

How long do you have to wait before you can resugg?

[tawny garden]

a week

[mighty knot]

ehehehehe

oh damn apparently some strange influence of a higher being has occurred today because someone suggested something for this exact same item earlier today, even though it's only been mentioned in voting like 3 times

hm

[crude geode]

you don't have to mention resuggestion in your title

[tawny garden]

he can leave it there tbh

though it makes it feel weird

[crude geode]

mhm

[radiant meadow]

it's of little matter

[crude geode]

ye, just letting him know it isn't necessary to mention

[shrewd solar]

i didnt even know the gamma heart could do that

i never used it because i thought it was stupid

i used those squid things

[crude geode]

Ye, tbh it's just at a reallllly bad point in progression.

It's a slower, close ranged summon when the boss you're meant to fight is in no way supposed to be close to you.

[shrewd solar]

kind of a hard nerf but it should be a pre hardmode thing

[sharp prism]

post ml is a cluster fuck of crammed in unnecessary items that look cool but arent good

[shrewd solar]

would be interesting against wof

[sharp prism]

which is sad

[crude geode]

nah, I think it would be fine against other, previous post-ml fights.

[shrewd solar]

like?

[crude geode]

If you could acquire it even like, as soon as post-ml happened, it would work wonders against provi and even polter.

Bc provi is beeeg

[shrewd solar]

maybe polter

[sharp prism]

that arent good for bosses at its tier*

[shrewd solar]

but not really prov imo

[crude geode]

The problem with post-ml is so many things are progression locked.

but 1.5 will change a lot so who knows.

[shrewd solar]

I feel like the point of gamma heart is for projectile spam

wouldnt it be even more useless with the less minion slots?

[crude geode]

possibly

[ashen warren]

Draft:
Make Box Jellyfish stings more lethal

The Box Jellyfish in real life is the most deadly jellyfish there is, and can kill an adult in minutes if not treated. In Terraria, the Box Jellyfish does only 100 damage(0 defense + venom debuff, in Death Mode) which is enough to kill a new player, but by the time you have the equipment to actually see a Box Jellyfish, they aren't even a threat.

Other sea creatures are accurate, such as the Mantis Shrimp, and the Bobbit Worm. The Mantis Shrimp is extremely accurate in game, even down to the coloring, and the Bobbit worm does the amount of damage you would expect from something that can cut fish clean in half. If these details are willing to be put in for these creatures, why not do the same with the Box Jellyfish?

[golden narwhal]

Looks fine to me

[crude geode]

you sure it only does 100 damage and not 180?

cuz according to the wiki it does 180

[ashen warren]

I tested it, on average it does 80 contact damage with no armor or accessories

Other damage in venom

[crude geode]

huh, weird.

tbh I would be fine with this if it wasn't for box jellyfish spawning in the ocean. If it was exclusive to abyss, then it would be fine, but it makes ocean even more punishing then it already is early game

[ashen warren]

Well, I mean you only hang out in the ocean long enough early early game to get some chests. Box Jellyfish also aren't very common in the ocean biome.

Also I looked at the wiki, 44/88 damage, 90/180 max life

[crude geode]

damn, looking at wrong numbers

byeah

[ashen warren]

You're good lol

[crude geode]

Suggestion seems valid, just my own personal issue with Ocean being even more neglected than Brimstone Crags in Calamity. It has some mobs added to it, but besides Anahita and Levi, there's no real reason to go there.

[crystal iron]

Wow, in the thousand playthroughs I've played I have never come across a box jellyfish

[ashen warren]

How, I see them all the time

[fossil finch]

crags being neglected is funny considering calamity biome™️

[ashen warren]

True

[crude geode]

They die almost instantly. You probably just don't recognize them.

[fossil finch]

you probably have, darkness, they are really common on the abyss
yeah

[crystal iron]

Oh that's probably the case then

[crude geode]

Crags getting more notable usage has been brought up and is planned iirc

[ashen warren]

I gotta go do some things, @ me for if you have input, I'll get back to you

[crude geode]

mhm, cya

[crude geode]

Just ask a dev to change your nickname.

[crystal iron]

Wouldn't it just be easier to change it yourself tho

[sleek hornet]

a moderator?

[crude geode]

ye mod

brain be quirky rn

[heady storm]

Well, there is no reason for them to be disabled, at least not that I know of
Large server that we need to moderate, cannot trust everyone to follow our rules.

[crude geode]

^

Trusting people in a server with almost 100k people is pretty impossible.

[heady storm]

If you want your nick changed, you can just ping one of us.

[crystal iron]

But isn't it the same with normal names

[mighty knot]

you don't need to ping a calamity admin to change your discord name

[heady storm]

We have a filter for normal names already.

[crystal iron]

Oh

[heady storm]

So just imagine our pain when someone changes their nickname right back after we get rid of it.

[crystal iron]

Ah, ig that makes sense

[dapper coral]

basically the point is, we need to be able to control visible names because out of 100k people there's bound to be some asshole(s) with the n-word or f-slurs in their name

for every responsible person, there are 3 irresponsible ones

etc etc

[crystal iron]

Ye I didn't exactly take that under consideration

[crude geode]

For every polite #suggestions-discussion user, there's a rude #calamity-mod-talk user.

[hot zephyr]

So there's.... zero rude #calamity-mod-talk users?

[pine star]

MrAsianMan is quite polite

i like to think i'm polite

[heady storm]

Back to suggesting innovative ideas.

[crude geode]

mhm

[worn blaze]

voidstone toilet

need it for my build

[ashen warren]

That'd be funny

Maybe a tooltip would be like
High pressure flush

[worn blaze]

oh no I'm dead serious, it'd be great for my build since it's a voidstone brutalist castle

[worn blaze]

absolutely, yes

in fact that actually makes me want to suggest it, brb

[ashen warren]

Do it lol

[worn blaze]

not sure if it falls under sis

[ashen warren]

Don't make it seem like a joke though, be serious

[worn blaze]

mods? Your thoughts?

[radiant meadow]

Adding Auric Toilet was a mistake.

[crimson fern]

kinda was ngl

actually wait, why?

it is a pretty funny meme item

im also dissapointed theres no bloodflare toilet to represent all 4 armor sets which go into aruic...

but 'alas, my suggestion cooldown is still on cooldown

[distant gyro]

Auric Toilet was the only one with a sprite

[worn blaze]

I would justify it by saying it fits with the theme of high pressure and water

[crimson fern]

..?

[worn blaze]

y'know of the abyss?

[crimson fern]

yeah

[worn blaze]

especially the lower layers

[crimson fern]

mhm

[ashen warren]

Why?

[crimson fern]

it is a joke lol

plus you dont have to craft it

anyways what were you saying about water pressure? i dont get what you were explaining...

[worn blaze]

aight I'll work on the sugg if I get the go ahead, kinda don't wanna break any rules (sis specifically)

uh the abyss has high pressure, and is underwater, so naturally a toilet crafted from materials gathered there would provide insane durability to high pressure, making for an excellent flush

[ashen warren]

exactly

[pine star]

then why did you add it?
were you forced to?

[distant gyro]

pressured to by the Terra Toilet

[pine star]

That said, at least the guy who wanted the Voidstone Toilet wasn't shitposting about it

[ashen warren]

Is it needed? Not necessarily, no. Would some people benefit from it? Yes, plus it isn't hurting anybody gameplay wise.

[worn blaze]

yes, I'm very serious about it, it would really complete the furniture set for voidstone and grant us the relief needed to defeat tough bosses, while keeping itself clean with high pressure

[ashen warren]

lol

[shrewd solar]

I really like the box jellyfish sugg

[ashen warren]

Thanks

[crude geode]

Adding Auric Toilet was a mistake

[worn blaze]

it's up

[crude geode]

Now we will never be rid of toilet suggs

[shrewd solar]

yep

[pine star]

At least this one wasn't a shitpost

[worn blaze]

I won't feel too bad if it's taken down for that reason, because I understand that it might get infuriating to deal with suggestions like that

but I do feel it would be nice to have, along with more thrones

in fact, someone get on that

[fossil finch]

Just add the entire auric furniture set already so auric toilet is no longer a meme, and other toilets can become a thing

[shrewd solar]

whats the last armor called?

i forget

[worn blaze]

auric tesla

[golden narwhal]

The pressure resistant materials gathered from the abyss would truly provide excellent flush capabilties, making it a throne truly suitable for a king.

[shrewd solar]

no after that

[worn blaze]

oh you mean the calamitas set?

[shrewd solar]

yeah

oh wait nvm

someone should suggest a shadowspec toilet

[crude geode]

but why.

we already have auric tesla as the terra toilet equivalent.

plus shadowspec is dev tier.

[worn blaze]

If someone doesn't, I may make a suggestion about thrones, we need more of those

[crude geode]

I dislike the concept of thrones and toilets mainly bc we don't have the ability to sit yet. but eh.

[pine star]

yeah

They look cool at least

Like Kravkik said, could be used for building

[worn blaze]

even in 1.4 we can't sit facing forward

[crude geode]

obligatory: Calamity isn't a building mod, byeah

[worn blaze]

I was working on a voidstone brutalist facility so it would complete the build

it absolutely should be

[pine star]

I want to see it now for some reason

[worn blaze]

I wish I could show you but I'm currently waiting for a psu to arrive for my pc soo

all my screenshots are on there

[worn blaze]

(edit: fixed typo) ping me if there are any other major mistakes

[distant gyro]

@cobalt pewter meld is not associated with either brimstone nor cursed inferno actually

[cobalt pewter]

Empyrean armor?

[distant gyro]

negative

[cobalt pewter]

Hmm

[dapper maple]

Do any of the tentacle spells like
Create tentacles with the cursor at the center?

[cobalt pewter]

I'll think of something else for Tome of Fates later

[cobalt pewter]

No, but that's kinda what I proposed with Augur

[dapper maple]

Ah yep i see it now

[eternal escarp]

that just sounds like a vanilla problem tbh

like how you can just use a normal mode playthrough and then an expert world on the side

[safe oasis]

yeah that requires going through the trouble of creating 2 worlds and killing the boss twice

[eternal escarp]

ehhhh

[safe oasis]

as opposed to just toggling revengeance and opening your horde of treasure bags

[eternal escarp]

alot of people just do it when overprepared

so its not even a problem in expert / normal situation

also, not many actually choose to cheese like this, same with hording treasure bags until later on for better rewards

and instead of removing them

you could make it diffrent items, like 1.4's diffrence in boxes from fishing

outright removing them just feels, not smart, and would prolly not go well with anyone

[safe oasis]

it’s not removing them, they just drop next to it

[eternal escarp]

but they are supposed to be revengence exclusive, thats kinda their point

[safe oasis]

which is why that’s a problem

i’m not understanding your argument, sorry

[eternal escarp]

yeah its fair, im bad at explaining

my arguement is that instead of removing their exclusivity which makes revengeance mode worth it (for those who only care for loot), you could make another grab bag item to drop (or just a treasure bag but rev exclusive or smthn) that can drop these, and you can only get this loot bag if you fight the boss while revengeance is on

although, this will prolly just bring the same problem armageddon had, but i really dont see the devs planning to remove the exclusivity of them

(well, who knows, maybe they will)

(byeah)

[safe oasis]

that’s essentially my exact argument but with more work for the devs

[eternal escarp]

well, ig, but this arguement will keep the fact they are exclusive, which im assuming is a thing on purpose

[safe oasis]

yeah they remain exclusive

my argument isn’t to make them not rev exclusive but to just make them drop from the boss directly on rev

so people don’t cheese bags

[eternal escarp]

oh

oh i see

yeah, that is basically the same, true

i guess i just didnt fully understand your arguement lol

[safe oasis]

no worries

[tawny garden]

thing is

[eternal escarp]

the only thing i suggest is making the title not say "remove" because no one likes that word for some reason

[tawny garden]

there was a move to put them inside the bags

a year ago or so

no, a bit more than a year

[eternal escarp]

oh, thats new to me

[tawny garden]

yeah, rev-only stuff used to drop outside of Treasure Bags

[eternal escarp]

oh so that makes sense about the confusion from people asking "does this drop from the bag or boss"

[safe oasis]

that confusion still exists though

[eternal escarp]

yeah, it does

its just that now i finnaly know the context

[tawny garden]

[safe oasis]

only problem with my suggestion is that i feel like it discredits farming in armageddon for legendaries

though that can easily be solved by just making the item drop 6 times too

[eternal escarp]

armageddon farming is dead anyways

so dw bout that

[still zodiac]

will be dead

[eternal escarp]

well yeah

[safe oasis]

wait why will it be dead did i miss something

[eternal escarp]

#calamity-update-talk

pins

[safe oasis]

is that title less confusing now

[eternal escarp]

yeah, looks better

[safe oasis]

👍 ty for the feedback

[crude geode]

this implies people play on modes besides revengeance and struggle with it.

[tawny garden]

some people do

[marble hazel]

people actually do

[dapper coral]

you should probably

get the actual emotes

so people know what you're talking about

[tawny garden]

@low hedge

[low hedge]

@tawny garden

hold on

[earnest cape]

[low hedge]

do I just put it there as is

[tawny garden]

get the image

[earnest cape]

god that being bigger is terrifying

[tawny garden]

cuz the bot doesn't have nitro

[earnest cape]

:LIVE:

sad

[dapper coral]

yeah just like paste the images there

[low hedge]

(soon)

kill will be real in

[tawny garden]

KILL sticker

[earnest cape]

NO

[tawny garden]

YES

[earnest cape]

NO

[tawny garden]

at least it's not Wumpus

[earnest cape]

[low hedge]

next image will be in ten years

[earnest cape]

[heady storm]

Mmmmm where is ‘LIVE’ yeah.

[ashen warren]

Remove lul item.

[earnest cape]

[heady storm]

@low hedge you searching for it?

[low hedge]

no I forgot

[earnest cape]

seperate messages

[heady storm]

(Yeah you need to combine those Aleksh.)

[earnest cape]

aka deleting them and posting them in one message

[low hedge]

i tried

both images count as one post each

[rugged belfry]

Reason 100

[low hedge]

so I'd have to combine ye

[earnest cape]

in mobile they can be 1

or at least from my experience

[low hedge]

attempt 3

[earnest cape]

[heady storm]

You could just add them as links, and I could approve early to manually embed the links.

[earnest cape]

tru

[tawny garden]

iirc

you can have both images in one message

if you send it on mobile

[earnest cape]

yes

said that earlier

[tawny garden]

nobody cares

[earnest cape]

[swift wharf]

<-- press the plus icon and select 2 images

[marble hazel]

it still beomes 2 posts

iirc

[tawny garden]

ye

[earnest cape]

ye

[swift wharf]

oh yeah shit

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

Pisscord

[earnest cape]

moment

[rugged belfry]

I know what to doo

where are the images

[earnest cape]

OH GOD

[tawny garden]

[rugged belfry]

can you send them both here

[low hedge]

got it

[tawny garden]

💯 best image

[rugged belfry]

@tawny garden

[tawny garden]

what

[rugged belfry]

^

the images

seperately

[tawny garden]

I don't have them

and I'm warned

[heady storm]

Aleksh, what masterpiece have you created.

[rugged belfry]

rip

[rugged belfry]

Can you send both the images here if you have them?

[swift wharf]

aleksh why

[tawny garden]

tbh

meme sugg

[low hedge]

not a meme serious suggestion

[swift wharf]

yeahhhh

[low hedge]

I want those two emotes here

[rugged belfry]

I know how to send 2 images in 1 message 😔

[tawny garden]

make a better image then

[crude geode]

But why

[low hedge]

it is too late for that bean I have already sent it

why not

[rugged belfry]

just send me the images bruv

pls

[rugged belfry]

ty

[heady storm]

Okay goodie one moment.

[rugged belfry]

bip bop

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/465195069406707722/802161559505338398/777937426252431431.png?width=101&height=102
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/465195069406707722/802161563926134845/796374979830480897.png?width=61&height=61

1 message 2 images

ezpz

[tawny garden]

the bot won't send them

[marble hazel]

thank you aleksh

doing god's work

[fossil torrent]

god

[rugged belfry]

bot's bad

[still zodiac]

perfect

[tawny garden]

but anyway

[rugged belfry]

tell bot to get good

[earnest cape]

[rugged belfry]

my welcome

[fossil torrent]

@marble hazel yeah of course hes doing his own work

[heady storm]

My brain.

[crude geode]

This suggestion hurts me. Mainly because there is no reasoning.

[tawny garden]

@heady storm you are*

[marble hazel]

i dont think emote suggs need reasoning

[tawny garden]

[robust lava]

I appreciate that manual approval is now being reserved for the finest quality of suggestions

[marble hazel]

but i do admit that aleksh's reason is VERY good.

[earnest cape]

[heady storm]

Philo it is 6 in the morning and I have not slept for more than 24 hours.

[marble hazel]

this is true

[tawny garden]

SLEEP

NOW

[earnest cape]

[rugged belfry]

the reason is:
y
yes

obv

[still zodiac]

yeah there's an actual reason

[earnest cape]

good lad

[marble hazel]

*yy
yes ye

[still zodiac]

don't see anything wrong with that

[rugged belfry]

yes im sorry I was too lazy to type so many "y"s

[earnest cape]

also you don't need reasoning for emote suggs

[tawny garden]

↑

tbh if not for that top image I would've starred that

[earnest cape]

:)

[rugged belfry]

disrefuckinspectful

[marble hazel]

wdym the top image makes sense

it contains live and kill

[rugged belfry]

yes

exactly

waffles?!

[tawny garden]

it does, but it makes blood leak out of me eyes

[crude geode]

Just because emote suggs don’t need reasoning doesn’t mean it can’t hurt me physically and emotionally.

[earnest cape]

I can't blame you

the image also brings me pain

[rugged belfry]

true but also
unga bunga

the image is a amzing

[earnest cape]

anyhow I'm saving this

[pine star]

I AM NOT

[low hedge]

the intent was to KILL everyone and then LIVE them

[rugged belfry]

AMAZING

[low hedge]

this worked as intended

[rugged belfry]

kill

[crude geode]

There is no live.

[heady storm]

One of many god-like actions performed by the shark lad.

[crude geode]

Anyways, back to actual suggestions.

[marble hazel]

you make it sound like that wasn't an actual sugg....

[tawny garden]

it was not

[earnest cape]

lad is good

[tawny garden]

fucking

@hollow shell ban emote suggs pls

I beg you

[ashen warren]

thank you alesksh 🙏

[still zodiac]

[earnest cape]

[marble hazel]

what?

[ashen warren]

surprised that emote sugg got approved with how it was submitted, since it's multiple emotes in one and is overly super memey

[crude geode]

Same ^

[tawny garden]

because this institution is no longer democratic

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

submit your emote ideas straight to Merk
or Mrrp

[marble hazel]

what?

[tawny garden]

or Danny

[earnest cape]

democracy is bad iirc

[tawny garden]

no

[low hedge]

you can remove it if you want

[marble hazel]

thats not how it works though?

[low hedge]

I could always just add it somewhere else for personal use

[tawny garden]

it would

[ashen warren]

:live:

[earnest cape]

it worked with fab n vc maybe it could?

[tawny garden]

ye

or to Fab

[marble hazel]

doesnt fab have closed DMs

[tawny garden]

if he knows how to add emotes

[fossil torrent]

br

suggestions exist for a reason

so you DON'T have to dm people

[earnest cape]

he most likely knows

[tawny garden]

jok

[marble hazel]

exactly jav

[fossil torrent]

this is literally why this entire arrangement exists

[earnest cape]

[marble hazel]

its for the public to see

[civic notch]

Kill is fantastic

[crude geode]

I thought it was for the mod and not for adding emotes you enjoy but who am I to say.

[civic notch]

Live is meh

[still zodiac]

exactly

[fossil torrent]

suggestions is for suggestions

[ashen warren]

unregisterdhypercam2

[fossil torrent]

end of discussion

[tawny garden]

ok, another variant for you

[crude geode]

Mhm

[marble hazel]

dude the sugg got approved doesnt mean it'll get added

see : peepoweird

[tawny garden]

no community-suggested emotes at all

fuck it

[civic notch]

The bad ending

[crude geode]

can we get off this topic.

This is going nowhere.

[tawny garden]

...true

[marble hazel]

idk i just felt like this was blown out of proportion and needed to give my 2 cents

[dapper coral]

yall move on

[crude geode]

Emote suggs are a big point of contention to long time suggestors, and you’re not going to change their minds. Byeah

[dapper coral]

i stg this happens every time an emote sugg happens

[crude geode]

It does in fact

[fossil torrent]

people act like these are suggestions to the fucking american government or something

[dapper coral]

like, it's a goddamn emote, both sides just need to get tf over it

[worn blaze]

I just want my godamn toilet

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

Context: He's making a building and needs the toilet to finish it

[dapper coral]

i know there was a sugg for an emote channel specifically, and that has reached the threshold

we will discuss it and decide later how we will handle emotes

[pine star]

Good

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

Cool

[dapper coral]

but can we please not have a stupid conversation about emotes every time one pops up

[ashen warren]

yea

[earnest cape]