#suggestions-discussion

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eternal escarp
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but sugg should be valid

dreamy drift
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ye

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auric wings would be cool

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but the tracers sorta fill that space for now

half kayak
eternal escarp
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i mean, bloodcores also miss wings tbh

half kayak
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oh bloodflare wings

fossil finch
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yeah it is valid
however imo it's unneeded lol

dreamy drift
eternal escarp
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and it would be prty busted

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its unneeded, yeah

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but valid

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i mean

half kayak
eternal escarp
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theres drews wings and celestial tracers which di that basically

half kayak
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3 is too much ngl

dreamy drift
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a similar suggestion would be to add a set effect when the celestial tracers are equipped with auric

eternal escarp
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post prov pre dog wing bloat?

dreamy drift
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since they dont have that rn

eternal escarp
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did you even see hardmode

half kayak
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oh

fossil finch
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entire fucking hardmode yeah lol

eternal escarp
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vanilla is to blame mostly

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byeah

half kayak
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added bloodflare-type wingset to suggestion

eternal escarp
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still seems unneeded imo, i mean

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will you ever actually need wings from bloodflare, if you already have pretty good wings anyways

half kayak
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it was your suggestion lol

eternal escarp
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dont see the need to get so many wings

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it.. wasn't

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i just showed a point lol

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not every tier needs wings

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because then you pull a vanilla

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and wing bloat

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sugg is valid, i just dont see the point

half kayak
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lol ok rip bloodflare wings suggestion 2021-2021 lasted literally like 1 and a half minutes

eternal escarp
whole sedge
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Don't auric wings already exist as y'know.. drew's wings?

fossil finch
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That's uh
Lacking
Reasoning

sleek turret
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@rancid holly The suggestion needs a reason.

pine star
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@rancid holly Give reasons why

summer sentinel
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Provide a little more specificity to your reason

rancid holly
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thats all i need to write lol

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im not good at explaining

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one of you do it for my incapable ass

obtuse marsh
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maybe show how much damage she does

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and compare it to how much you want her to do

rancid holly
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well she 4 shot me with 75 defence

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hmm

pine star
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How much HP did you have?

whole sedge
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Uh yeah show what you mean and which attacks do what you think is way more damage than necessary, and 4-shotting at 75 defense is reasonable blep

rancid holly
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545

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her normal projectiles all need a nerf tbh

whole sedge
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Get damage numbers on difficulties and get the average hp and defense most players have when fighting brimmie then

obtuse marsh
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and what class ?

summer sentinel
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IF I had to guess, its the debuff she inflicts that causes the difficulty rather than just the raw damage

rancid holly
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nah i dont have time to write a thesis of why brimstone can do one

whole sedge
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then don't make a sugg about doing that then if you don't give actual examples and such as well without examples the devs have no clue what to do

pine star
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yeah

fossil finch
civic notch
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Ok yeah we need a bit more reason than too much damage

whole sedge
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just saying "ooo this does too much damage" but not specifying which projectile with what setup and such does too much damage kinda just tells us nothing

sleek turret
civic notch
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Why would lowering the damage help the fight? Which mode are you playing on? Are you sure you are playing optimally? Is there a better way to solve that problem while benefiting both perspectives of the issue?

rancid holly
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deathmode

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my gear is many tiers above the recommended

whole sedge
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75 defense and probably barely any DR likely isn't prepping optimally though echleft

pine star
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All menacing accessories?

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Glass cannon build?

eternal escarp
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i dont see why brim needs a nerf tbh

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in my pov, its not a hardass fight

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slthough obv not an easy one

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atm its pretty balanced imo

dreamy drift
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pretty sure its hard compared to its tier

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maybe not balanced

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but

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its fine for now

eternal escarp
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@supple urchin

robust lava
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I already pinged them about this and they responded

eternal escarp
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ah, woops

gray nebula
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based sugg alert

tawny ocean
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what

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you talking about mine?

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@gray nebula please i need to know

gray nebula
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ye

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based

tawny ocean
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why

gray nebula
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earth elemental is awesome

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, and waifu heart kinda cringe it would be funny to have him there

tawny ocean
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i agree, but he isn't in the heart, he deserves to be in it

gray nebula
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exactly why im callin it based (in case you dont know based is meliorative lol)

tawny ocean
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eh i never actually knew what it meant i thougth it meant bad

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thank you for enlightening me

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it is an honor having a dev call my suggestion based

gray nebula
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(i mean also dont get too excited im calling it based because i find it would be cool but it doesnt mean its getting added )

tawny ocean
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i know i know

gray nebula
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(and im still a normal person besides being a dev

tawny ocean
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it's still an honor

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you developed the best mod that i've ever played

remote crystal
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Earth elemental turns into a harem anime protagonist

tawny ocean
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please no

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dear god

tawny garden
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no

remote crystal
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Sand elemental used to be an earth elemental until he came around

tawny ocean
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i'm not sure how to react to that

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perhaps... BONK! go to horny jail @remote crystal

tawny garden
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anything @remote crystal has said, or will ever say is hereby declared to be unimportant trash
signed, Philo

tawny garden
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you don't have the authority

remote crystal
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I have decided to no longer exist

tawny garden
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sorry

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anyway

tawny ocean
ruby star
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What would an earth elemental summon do?

tawny garden
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throw rocks prolly

stable bolt
ruby star
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That would be pretty annoying screen bloat though

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Then again that’s just the HoT

stable bolt
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Or maybe have him take up all minion slots and have him go and wack stuff with his arm-axe-thing

ruby star
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That would be annoying for summoners though

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They’d have to un equip HoT every time they summon their summons

stable bolt
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idk i'm not a dev

supple urchin
robust lava
crude geode
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Can we add “Earth Elemental Summon” to frequently suggested?

tawny garden
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that list isn't updated anymore, for some reason

pine star
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Oh hey, Thomas is back

crystal iron
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Why was the mechanic changed in the first place??

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The two aren't even remotely similar

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Yet they come from the same or similar sources

river glen
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a suggestion for brimstone to be less aggro based on the amount of space u have to verticly manouver

heady storm
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Until post-ML curve rebalancing is complete, nothing pre-ML should be tested.

There are no exceptions.
Heads up for any rebalancing suggestions to come.

river glen
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is my suggestion fine

hot zephyr
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Can't you just.... expand your arena

river glen
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can't you just... expand your polter arena to be humungous and be a drain of time

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when u can just fight in a smaller space, and its not as aggro

hot zephyr
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I mean

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You can blow up ash blocks, but not dungeon blocks

heady storm
hot zephyr
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Building a dungeon arena is a lot harder than building a hell arena.

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Directly above your previous message Chetto

heady storm
river glen
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some people dont use content mods, and sometimes they have to do eveything legit

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clearing a very big area

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for brimstone is sometimes annoying

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since most begginers use a bigger arena

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than professionals

summer sentinel
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Polter doesn't need to be fought in the dungeon, he onyl enrages on the surface, not underground

river glen
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many people fight polyer in the dungeon

summer sentinel
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It's a bit inconvenient yes to summoner him in dungeon and then drag him out, but that's the other way

river glen
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but brimstone

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is the one

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im talking about

summer sentinel
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It looks good to me except, maybe have it relate to the distance from the player rather than amount of space

cobalt pewter
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That being the hellblast line during cocoon attack speeding up as they travel

river glen
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then why are u 20 miles away

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from brimstone

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this is vertically related, cuz im not gonna dig through the crag biome

summer sentinel
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maybe like having it a little bit more refined where she moves faster, since scaling arena in hell feels tricky as it's very open

heady comet
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sometimes 30 min arenas are a fact of life

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but i do like the idea of bosses being less arena reliant

crystal iron
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Isn't the brimstone crag getting a rework tho

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Or so I've heard

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Surely the Devs will make it bigger

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Considering its probably the most suggested thing when it comes to the crags

cobalt pewter
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Yeah crags area is getting a rework

fossil finch
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Pog (go)

crystal iron
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Ah, this is entirely unrelated but did the mods enable nicknames cuz my name is different here than outside servers

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At least for me

cobalt pewter
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I think that's because your original username was hard to be written

crystal iron
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Ah, I thought that was just a glitch

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It's still weird tho, cuz, shouldn't my name here be the same as the one I actually have

fossil finch
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Yes unless someone changed it/you did

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This is indeed a funny accesory
Biome Blade but funnier

cobalt pewter
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Funni indeed

lunar sky
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Sounds sick

safe oasis
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about the arena thing, same can be said about plantera

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not just a brimmy problem

crystal iron
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Well but jungle is used by many bosses

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So it's not exactly a.wasre of time

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A waste*

safe oasis
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at that point it’s like plantera and pbg

crystal iron
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Ye, but in the whole game there's like 5 jungle bosses

dry latch
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you can always just reuse the crag arena for provi and assassin dude

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and maybe a bit of wof

safe oasis
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literally only pbg and plantera

crystal iron
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Ig, ye, but as stated before, crags are getting a rework

safe oasis
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like in hell its just brimmy and provi

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maybe signus

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jungle is a bigger problem than crag tbh

dry latch
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crabulon is a bigger problem imo

crystal iron
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Queen bee enrages outside of underground Junhle iirc

dry latch
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literally just 1 boss lol

safe oasis
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well mushroom biomes are pretty open by nature

dry latch
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in 1.4

safe oasis
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besides, not like you need a 300 block long arena for crab

crystal iron
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In 1.3 they're not even close to ooent

safe oasis
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barely need to dig at all

crystal iron
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Open*

safe oasis
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really? every mushroom biome i’ve seen has had some decent space

crystal iron
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Damn

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Tue biggest mushroom biome I had was like, maybe the size of 2 crabulons

lunar sky
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When I first did expert mode I thought Queen Bee just enraged outside of the jungle so I died to her like 12 times because I fought her on the surface

dry latch
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can't even find them most of the time. had to go for the mushroom planetoid just to get seeds

lunar sky
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I just thought my idiocy was funny

rugged belfry
grim tusk
rugged belfry
grim tusk
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Thanks bean for the link i was looking for that

rugged belfry
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np

dapper maple
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ah

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sorry, what about the Godly Soul Artifact? the issue still lies with that Accessory so

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I probably should have checked what other things have the same effect before posting that lol

grim tusk
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Nuggets are powerful though also 8 minion slots in one accs thats pretty strong and nuggets are being buffed and moved to post-yharon btw, and they are already pretty good on Scal

dapper maple
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Nuggets?

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is that a nickname for the Godly Soul Artifact or something?

frozen hornet
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Nuggets is the Yharon's Kindle Staff minions

dapper maple
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ah

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the accessory gives 8 slots? i didn't realize that

hot zephyr
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8 slots worth of minion.

tawny garden
cobalt pewter
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@ashen warren no future content suggs

ashen warren
hollow shell
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I agree with the Extorter sugg

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But I can't help but feel like the reason doesn't quite explain well enough
just how funky Extorter is

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and difficult to utilize

crude geode
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It’s biome blade but you have to look up the effects if you want a chance of properly using it. Biome blade just gives you free debuffs.

hollow shell
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I also think that "not unique enough" is not a very good descriptor, and that Feed should prolly elaborate or reword

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Yeah

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Could make a point on how none of the effects are described in-game, at all

cobalt pewter
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Also apparently Fab is planning to remove all of the unnecessary effects

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So I can always remove it

hollow shell
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So, all of the effects?

cobalt pewter
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This is what he had in mind for now

10% increased rogue damage and +10 maximum stealth, however, life regen is reduced by 1```
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For Extorter

hollow shell
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byeah, the constant effects

cobalt pewter
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Added max stealth

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Otherwise yeah, the conditional effects are essentially gone

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(maybe the item will be cheaper as well)

river glen
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2 platinum

hollow shell
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We can work on it after it's cut down, too
Cuz I feel like just those effects aren't really notable

It'll prolly still be nice having the on-hit projectiles but just seems a tad derivative

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For now, allowing us to actually focus on that would be good, via a cut down

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instead of having this distracting noise of the biome & moon effects

cobalt pewter
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Yeah Fab is planning to rework the acc anyways

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Might as well delete it

whole sedge
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Extorter is kind of ass as it's effects usually aren't even worth it in the first place from my experiences but yeah hopefully the biome based shenanagins gets fixed

cobalt pewter
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mfw vc is more effective than suggs

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In any case yeah, the biome / moon effects will be removed according to Fab

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And the moon effects are quite op apparently

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But it's obscene enough to not be used

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With normal peeps

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nohitters are of a different breed

river glen
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what about biome blade just having visual effects and have a constant bonus

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or nah

hollow shell
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The extension in Non-Stop mix is for the sake of pacing in Non-Stop mix specifically

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cuz we don't have a Servants Type D in-game

ashen warren
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I still think that the change would be nice

hollow shell
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Aight.

ashen warren
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

heady storm
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@ashen warren shadowspec is restricted to Developer items.

ashen warren
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@half kayak The Auric Tesla Wingset is genius.

Somebody give this Somebody an award-

ashen warren
whole sedge
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isn't there already an exo-tier mount of that one dragon with darksun or is that considered not exo due to it only being darksun frags?

eternal escarp
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i mean, you can also not fight with mounts lol

whole sedge
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and yeah that too

eternal escarp
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its not exactly auric afaik

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byeah, most mounts arent supposed to be used 100% of the time

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and bean mount / alicorn are prty good

whole sedge
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Really even before darksun all the mounts you'd need are at your disposal imo

eternal escarp
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mhmm

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why fight with brimrose if you can just use your celestial tracers lol

hollow shell
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That's not a great reason @ashen warren
Cuz, you don't know what mounts we're gonna have once we add later superbosses

summer sentinel
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beat me right to it yeah

hollow shell
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Are the Alicorn and Shadow Dragon both underpowered for endgame? They're quite near it, post-DoG and post-Yharon1 respectively

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(Squishy Bean too for certain circumstances, falling fast)

eternal escarp
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ive never really seen shadow dragon in use even, byeah bean and alicorn are fine anyways for most endgame atm

hollow shell
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Alicorn and Dragon both have better flight speeds than Brimrose, which is the only one you mention

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Not infinite flight but Dragon is up there

summer sentinel
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Alicorn beats shadow dragon imo since alicorn feels to have better horiz and vertical movement, also I think the size of the dragon might confuse players

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confuse being like, harder to see scal blasts

hollow shell
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Alright then

sand umbra
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Ethereal Extorter imo doesn't really have much a reason to be what it is

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its effect, title, and appearance all have nothing to do with each other

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not only that but it literally the epitome of "read the wiki" because its effect list is so large and convoluted with no way of pinpointing half of it

cobalt pewter
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Considering removing the sugg (for a couple hours by now because nohit and headache) because the power of VC hath spoken again

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Most of those effects will be removed in 1.5

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And we'll probably be left with

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10% increased rogue damage and +10 maximum stealth, however, life regen is reduced by 1```
sand umbra
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perfection

cobalt pewter
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There we go, deleted the sugg

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But I'll keep the screenshot for the meme folders

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When 1.5 dropped

tawny garden
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cool

cobalt pewter
summer sentinel
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meme folders 👀

tawny garden
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page history exists anyways

cobalt pewter
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I don't actually have one byeah

tawny garden
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bot is alive

earnest cape
eternal escarp
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something like that was suggested atleast once already iirc

earnest cape
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auric tesla wingslet would make drew's wings useless

eternal escarp
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tbh i count celestial tracers as auric wings

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hell, it even uses auric bars

crude geode
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Just rebrand Drew’s Wings as Auric Wings.

cobalt pewter
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Drew could've had something interesting going on tbh, instead of OCD inducing flight time

crude geode
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Fabsol doesn’t even consider it dedicated to him so like, nothing of value would be lost

earnest cape
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i just wish it'd be resprited so it's not just... solar wings but white

crude geode
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It desperately needs a resprite

earnest cape
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i asked fab about it a while ago and he said it won't be for a while

cobalt pewter
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Cel Tracers also have funky wing sprites

earnest cape
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drew's wings but actually good sprite

crude geode
earnest cape
half kayak
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i think auric wings would look like the AT set which is yellow+blue

eternal escarp
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they are prty damn close to

half kayak
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seleschill chrascerz

river glen
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do voodoo dolls stack

eternal escarp
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not in calamity or vanilla

river glen
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okie dokie

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is the sugg fine

crude geode
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I mean, voodoo demons spawns are getting reduced next update

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Just download that mod you mentioned if you care that much

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@river glen

hot zephyr
cobalt pewter
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Huh, any confirmed resprites?

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Or is one just planned?

hot zephyr
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There was a sprite floating around for either ctracer wings or drew's wings which got rejected so I'd assume there'll be a new one eventually

cobalt pewter
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Ah

crude geode
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Oh yeah wasn’t it like that tendril like one

hot zephyr
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Ye

crude geode
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yeah that one was a bit wack

river glen
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this is for people like that

eternal escarp
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i dont think making calamity a huge QoL is a good idea

crude geode
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Calamity isn’t a QoL mod primarily. ^

eternal escarp
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and besides

cobalt pewter
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Evil island sugg momentum

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Byeah

eternal escarp
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we all use QoL mods

crude geode
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You also mentioned a solution in your sugg. A mod that does exactly what you asked.

eternal escarp
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why not another one which is prolly the size of a leaf in terms of the games usage

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its not like you can only use 1 singular mod at a time

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if that was the case then i would be dissapointed in tmod

rugged belfry
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I like the idea but there's probably a mod that does it already

crude geode
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They literally mention the mod in the suggestion

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Max Stack mod

river glen
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not everyone uses it

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and not everyone plays with QoL mods

rugged belfry
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But if you want QoL features

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Get the QoL mods

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Otherwise you don't get features

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If you don't play with QoL mods why would you want that QoL feature lol

crude geode
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This is essentially asking a blacksmith for a t-shirt when there’s a clothing store next door.

rugged belfry
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That's a really good analogy

tawny garden
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Stacking voodoo dolls was one of my really old suggs

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It was rejected

crude geode
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ok boomer

tawny garden
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byeah get max stack

tawny garden
rugged belfry
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Max Stack isn't that bad, the only thing I've even needed to use it for was wood cus I bought a ton from the Architect NPC and gel cus I've killed KS over 50 times

crude geode
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@zenith hazel Can you exclaim latest sugg about stacking voodoo dolls? Max Stack mod already exists and voodoo dolls are dying next update

zenith hazel
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I guess?

radiant meadow
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It doesn't really make the suggestion invalid tho

zenith hazel
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yea

radiant meadow
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Just because voodoo demon spawn rates are getting reduced doesn't mean that dolls have zero reason to stack

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and most max stack mods don't allow accessories to stack, which includes voodoo dolls

crude geode
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Oh huh.

crude geode
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I mean as in the spawn rates being dumb

rugged belfry
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oh alright

river glen
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also for consistency sake to

rugged belfry
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I just read part of the changelog and for like 4 seconds thought this was new

25 - Added crafting recipe for Guide Voodoo Doll. - Done ✅
Until I realized I literally made one today and it was sent in 2018

river glen
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since voodoo dolls

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are one of the only boss summons to nto stack

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i think ... i may miss a boss or two

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but i think WoF

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has a summon that dosent stack

half kayak
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non-consumable boss summons dont stack

river glen
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yes

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ik that

half kayak
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such as EoD, EoE, CW, and DE

river glen
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those are mainly endgame bosses

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which would be difficult to consitnuasly farm for

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also, if people dont like the suggestion

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they just wont vote for it

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easy as that

dapper maple
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Assuming it gets into voting

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Do the mods have to approve it first or something?

river glen
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well, i think if it dosent recieve a ❗ , then it goes

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if it gets 200

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then devs approve it i think?

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like i had a truffle worm and bloodworm suggestion for them not to be hurt by enemies

summer sentinel
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Yea once it gets to 200, it gets sent to secret dev place and they judge it

river glen
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worked

river glen
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the secret dev place...

rugged belfry
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mine is 👍 rn

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so thats epic

river glen
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mine has a 👍

rugged belfry
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which oes that?

river glen
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it was "Make Truffle And Bloodworms being immune to enemies"

rugged belfry
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oh cool

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mine was a living loom recipe

river glen
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lmao, cool

rugged belfry
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and the second oldest one sent by @ashen warren so its easy to find

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flak rave will forever be first and thats epic

river glen
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"Brimstone Elemental on deathmode needs a hard nerf She does way too much damage for even post plantera gear to handle."

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still impresses

rugged belfry
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oh wait mine has a 🏁

river glen
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the thing is

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dont get hit all the time

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just actually have gear and prep

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she does a lot of damage because she is litterally a whif punshing boss

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mistake = tons of damage

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im happy

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idk what the 🏁

rugged belfry
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👍 means its been accepted
🏁 means its been implemented (not necessary released tho)

river glen
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yay

cobalt pewter
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What

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Okay first off

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With that logic, every single class specific armor should be interchangeable then

hot zephyr
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multi helmet armor hage

cobalt pewter
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We already got too much of multiclass shit

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Please no

distant gyro
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the clash between the old generation and the new generation players

hot zephyr
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How they've forgotten

cobalt pewter
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I'm not even

hot zephyr
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We've found against the Reaver Armor menace for so long that the youngins have forgotten

distant gyro
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Byeah1Byeah2 that's not how you format a suggestion

cobalt pewter
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I'm pretty sure I started playing cal since July 2020

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And I'd assume that's pretty new

fossil finch
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pog straight out removing variety

cobalt pewter
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In any case yeah

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@ashen warren

  1. That's not how you'd format a sugg, look for other suggs as reference.
  2. Why.
ashen warren
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I'll go reformat

eternal escarp
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i mean, if you love it design wise, use it as vanity
if you like it because it is, it doesnt mean its a good idea to make it multiclass, and it prolly wont work as well if it would be

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its a rogue armor at its core, no idea how you would translate that to other classes

distant gyro
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you could be the oddball and use sulphur armor as a mean to obtain another double jump

eternal escarp
#

eh

tawny garden
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Yeah "I love this" isn't a reason

distant gyro
#

it's not far from a commonplace when you see vanilla players attached to molten armor for its defense

ashen warren
#

Alright, I'll expand upon it

eternal escarp
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1 more bubble jump isnt really even something youd use because of rocket boots+

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you wont ever get to use the bubble prolly

fossil finch
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literally bob with statigel

eternal escarp
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on another note

distant gyro
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it has already been more than a week

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it is allowed

eternal escarp
#

alright

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ill just try rephrasing it to make it look better

distant gyro
#

I haven't written a suggestion in a while and frankly too lazy to

cobalt pewter
#

I mean

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You don't need to as much

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Funni council access

distant gyro
#

but what do you all think about removing/having the option to Sulphuric/Abyssal Treasure for just pots breaking into treasure loot again

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it seems a bit counterintuitive to break a pot just to open another grab bag

fossil finch
#

but they were made to prevent inventory bloat

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i like them
going to the abyss before them was neglecting your entire inventory

cobalt pewter
#

The reason they were made in the first place yeah, alternatively move most pot loots into the chests

distant gyro
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normal pots don't break into a nested loot bag

cobalt pewter
#

Then remove grab bags

fossil finch
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normal pots aren't as common, or have as many drops

ashen warren
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Alright hows that

distant gyro
#
Terraria Wiki
Pot

Pots are common items generated at world creation in random areas. When broken with any weapon or tool, they will drop coins and/or random common items. Pots cannot be picked up, never respawn, and cannot be crafted, even with Ecto Mist.

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and they have a lot more assortment of loot

gray nebula
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kill more multiclass stuff instead of making more pogu

eternal escarp
#

yeah lol

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also, my sugg is grammatically correct?

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or anything else to fix and stuff

tawny garden
#

Also I don't think there's a "gap"

distant gyro
#

Rework is a tough choice of word to use because in Calamity suggestions context it has a larger scope than the word actually is

dapper coral
#

i believe this is gonna be fixed in 1.5 already?

cobalt pewter
dapper coral
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at least, i'm pretty sure i brought it up in dev

eternal escarp
cobalt pewter
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The pots in abyss are super concentrated iirc

dapper coral
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lemme just double check

distant gyro
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just say "change" or something

eternal escarp
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alright

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and yeah, ill change that

ashen warren
#

Anybody else feel that way about Sulphurous armor?

distant gyro
#

I have no idea why there are so many pots there even

dapper coral
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tada

eternal escarp
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ah, alrighty then

jagged lark
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they should add a vc with a bot that plays calamity OST 24/7 change my mind

eternal escarp
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thats cool, ill delete the sugg then

dapper coral
eternal escarp
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thanks demik

dapper coral
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np

cobalt pewter
jagged lark
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ok

distant gyro
#

Spotify and YouTube playlists exist CompleteFailure

eternal escarp
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i never understood the purpose of people joining VCs to be alone with bots when spotify and yt do the same but better (mostly)

dapper maple
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Sometimes you feel lonely and want to be with others
Even tho you have them muted

distant gyro
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It might just be me but Discord is the last place I think of when it comes to idle background music.

eternal escarp
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same

cobalt pewter
#

I don't like using music bots in the first place

eternal escarp
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well, i use VCs with friends as BG noise sometimes, byeah music is not really

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the best idea

cobalt pewter
#

Seems redundant unless you wanna showcase music

eternal escarp
#

basically

jagged lark
#

understandable have a great day

sand umbra
#

why...would you want even more one-size-fits-all armors

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when the number of them that already exist have a huge tendency towards making repeat playthroughs incredibly boring as it is

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how does that make sense

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like
you are aware there are other class armors which also fill that gap, right

ashen warren
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My guy you fight the desert scourge with the same armor you fight the Eater/Brain with

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That's a little odd

tawny garden
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Why is it

ashen warren
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odd?

tawny garden
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Yes

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Explain

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Cuz I don't understand

hot zephyr
#

I mean in Vanilla for mages you'll use Jungle armor for the entirety of pre-hm

ashen warren
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Both bosses have a completely different difficulty, but you use the same armor(Victide,) but if you're playing rouge, you can make Sulphurous armor.

tawny garden
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There has been a talk to move Victide to post-DS

ashen warren
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Basically different difficulty of the boss should equal different armor for any class

pine star
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yeah

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Though for Mage, you can use Jungle Armor all the way to Hive Mind/Perfs

ashen warren
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
ashen warren
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Meteor armor

cobalt pewter
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In any case

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Rogue already has a lack of standalone armors

ashen warren
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Fair

cobalt pewter
#

Sulphurous and Snow Ruffian (which are pre-hm), Titan Heart and Umbraphile (HM), and virtually none on pML

eternal escarp
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and snow ruffian i believe

cobalt pewter
#

Oh yea h

ashen warren
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But at the same time I feel like the Desert Prowler set and Sulphurous Set are standalone and pretty close together

cobalt pewter
#

Snow Ruffian

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Byeah

eternal escarp
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and obby armor atm byeah

cobalt pewter
#

I don't count adjusted vanilla ones iirc, just pure cal ones

eternal escarp
#

also, ranger has desert prowler
melee has molten
summoner has bee

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victide and aerialite arent the only armors

ashen warren
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oh Im dumb

eternal escarp
#

fossil armor also exists (for now)

ashen warren
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I thought desert prowler was rouge

cobalt pewter
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The fact that the multihelmet armors are super prominent made me hage

eternal escarp
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theres also crimson / shadow armor

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point is

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making more multi armor is not smart

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when theres so much already

worthy lintel
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@dapper coral can i take 35 seconds of your life to deliver this 1 week old suggestion

dapper coral
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unfortunately i cannot deliver suggs

cobalt pewter
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Demik can't deliver iirc

dapper coral
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i am cool, but i'm not that cool

cobalt pewter
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Only brav and ben

zenith hazel
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I can

worthy lintel
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if only i knew

distant gyro
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I gotchu

worthy lintel
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so huh, sorry for breaking the convo, what was it

eternal escarp
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about making sulph armor another multiclass

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and why its kinda

worthy lintel
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why

eternal escarp
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(cringe imo)

worthy lintel
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multiclass armors are not welcome anymore

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let sulfur live its rogue life

eternal escarp
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they need die

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all classes get a respective armor anyways, so i dont see the point of making sulph multiclass

ashen warren
#

Another suggestion might be making it so that meteors can't hit the sulphurous beach

eternal escarp
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they..can?

ashen warren
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Yup

eternal escarp
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dont meteors avoid water?

ashen warren
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I just filled this in

worthy lintel
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wtf is that worldgen

eternal escarp
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sulphoric beach

ashen warren
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idk

eternal escarp
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what

worthy lintel
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also, meteors don't land in the sulfur sea because of rusted chests

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most of the time

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if you're lucky

cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
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o yeah

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y e s

cobalt pewter
#

Just starred that

eternal escarp
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hopefully passes

ashen warren
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I mean like it cant even land on the sand either

hot zephyr
ashen warren
#

Vanilla already does this with the jungle temple

worthy lintel
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ah yes, preventing meteors from breaking a temple extremely deep in mud that requires hours of digging and placing chests strategically to deviate the meteor

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but not preventing hammered platforms to phase through the doors

ashen warren
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Big brain

unreal viper
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oh no, armor sugg

ashen warren
#

Idk I just find it annoying that meteors will hit the beach, especially because the sand isn't easy to get to refill it

unreal viper
#

In my personal opinion, class armors are good because they add uniqueness to eahc playthrough.

worthy lintel
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tbh i have bigger problems with meteors landing in chasms

ashen warren
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Exactly

unreal viper
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Giving one of the only 3 unique rogue armors to all classes would take away some of that uniqueness.

ashen warren
eternal escarp
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byeah, your point stands

unreal viper
#

bruh

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me when cannot count

sand umbra
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point's a point even if it's flawed in presentation

eternal escarp
#

yeah yeah

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just wanted to make sure i aint hallucinating aswell

sand umbra
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my point, which somehow all like 5 of you completely glossed over, still stands uncontested

ashen warren
#

Didn't know my suggestion would be this controversial

pine star
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The Flak Kraken one?

sand umbra
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no not that my point the other my point

unreal viper
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armor suugs HyperYharimJudge

cobalt pewter
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What

sand umbra
#

the my point I made about this sugg we speak about

cobalt pewter
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I was doing stuff

eternal escarp
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yeah i tried talking about the other classes filling it instesd by showing examples, byeah you said it better

cobalt pewter
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Is it the multi helmet shits?

pine star
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Oh
It's the lack of replayability shit

sand umbra
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I said it in my original prompt: one-size-fits-all armors are incredibly borin' and heavily decrease the engagement level of replaying the game because you're just getting the same shit over and over

dapper maple
#

is that why the God Slayer Mage/Summon is getting removed?

sand umbra
#

given that GS and Silva are now the same tier, I'd imagine that yes, that's why some class hats for each are dying in 1.5

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and that is a good thing

unreal viper
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Kinda, also cause of the yharon phase crunch leaving no real room.

pine star
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yeah

eternal escarp
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kindof? i think main reason was the fact same tier but 2 armors was wierrd

pine star
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And Reaver Armor is now completely different

distant gyro
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rn it's alright since rogue basically fits into the vanilla's 2 phm/2 hm/1 pml class-exclusive armors department

sand umbra
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the conversion of more armors into class-specific armors is good because it means you're not literally getting the same 5 armors every time you go into the post-ML segment for example

unreal viper
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but pml is endgame in vanilla

cobalt pewter
#

That's incredibly small for a mod as big as cal imo, also doesn't mage has a shitton of specific armors on HM?

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Or am I misremembering

distant gyro
#

it could be better in that department

cobalt pewter
#

stuff

eternal escarp
#

spectre, brimflame

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uh

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forbidden..?

distant gyro
#

spectre and brimflame

sand umbra
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Spectre and Brimflame

distant gyro
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multiclass is an abomination

sand umbra
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and like 50% of Forbidden

distant gyro
#

and ooa armor is an even bigger one

eternal escarp
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yeah, only 2 and ooa is cringe

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summoner has more tho

sand umbra
#

OOA armors are awful to get and awful to balance

distant gyro
#

225 medals CompleteFailure

cobalt pewter
#

Oh wait, pml has 2 mage armors

distant gyro
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summoner does have more

eternal escarp
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spider, spooky, tiki, plaguebringer

sand umbra
#

YEAH

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OVER 200 MEDALS FOR ONE SET

eternal escarp
#

bonkers innit

sand umbra
cobalt pewter
#

Gameing

tawny garden
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Has anyone ever got these armors?

sand umbra
#

do you realize how many Lightning Aura Staves I could buy with that

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I could buy 2

distant gyro
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(not a lot)

unreal viper
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mage has 2.5 plus 2 ooa, melee has 1.5 + 2 ooa. ranger has 1.5 plus 2 ooa, summoner has 5.5 plus a billion ooa

eternal escarp
#

i know 1 person who did

unreal viper
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me

sand umbra
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which isn't a lot but it's still more than the one armor set that I won't even use

dapper maple
#

don't you get like 20 per run?

sand umbra
#

you get a lot more outta Betsy on Expert

eternal escarp
#

summoner kinda deserves the armor because of lack of weapons ig

sand umbra
#

but you still have to do the event multiple times to get a full set

dry latch
#

imagine not getting valhalla for sentry spam

eternal escarp
#

ranger has shroomite and plague reaper

tawny garden
unreal viper
#

so ranger has 2.5

eternal escarp
#

shroomite has 4 helmets byeah still 1 basically

dapper maple
#

personally the only reason why I got it was for Fargos. I really don't like focusing Sentry

eternal escarp
#

think thats it

distant gyro
#

you still have to do OOA at least 3 times to get a full set of t3 armor

dry latch
#

nope

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twice

unreal viper
#

rogue does have a shitton of prehardmode armors if you consider the vanilla ones

tawny garden
#

Thrice

dry latch
#

100 per run guaranteed + 30-49 per bag

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full set is 225

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I just talked about this a while ago

unreal viper
#

there are throwing armors

dapper maple
#

is it possible for Calamity to add new waves to OOA?

unreal viper
#

and some armors are turned to rogue

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calamity doesn't wanna do anything with ooa

eternal escarp
#

yeah, but obby and fossil wont exist in 1.4 will they?

unreal viper
#

apparently moons are just that much better and more epic

sand umbra
#

(yeah Cal wants nothing to do with OOA, and for good reason)

unreal viper
#

that we need to do them again

dry latch
unreal viper
#

bruh

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1/100

cobalt pewter
#

Vesuvius is

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Weird

eternal escarp
#

i forgot it existed tbf

dapper maple
#

i mean like they could have buffed the event so it drops more coins maybe?

sand umbra
#

yeah getting drilled a foot deep by 53 Pumpkings once wasn't good enough

dry latch
sand umbra
#

so now you can have it happen a SECOND time

eternal escarp
#

or RIV

dry latch
#

like they give an exclusive drop on a shitty event and give it a shitty drop rate

eternal escarp
#

thats kinda their point

sand umbra
#

with so many Pumpkings that you break the NPC cap which wouldn't be that much more than 53 Pumpkings actually it'd be like 60

dry latch
sand umbra
#

because every Pumpking is 3 NPCs (scythes included) and you have town NPCs

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also yeah Vesuvius is a legendary

eternal escarp
#

thats assuming theres no other enemy other then town and pumpkings?

sand umbra
#

and easily the dumbest legendary to obtain out of all of them

eternal escarp
#

mhmm

cobalt pewter
#

Cool bug's facts about Vesuvius:

  1. It's a Legendary drop from an entity with a confusing state, is it a boss, or not a boss, or an eldritch abomination?
  2. It's just a chonker Meteor Staff with an added attack on right click.
  3. Hits grant the player a useless buff in Revengeance. And useless in Death mode, since heat / cold protection are more common and easier to get at post-Golem.
eternal escarp
#

thats true, ig

unreal viper
#

Tbh, I think there are many easy ways to make ooa more bearable, like increasing medal drops, removing summon penalty when the event is active, and letting you skip the time between waves.\

eternal escarp
#

skip time in waves

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god id love that

unreal viper
#

Obviously we can't make it a great thomas-tier event, but we oculd make it more bearable.

eternal escarp
#

just right clicking the crystal to skip waiting shouldve been a fucking vanilla feature

dry latch
#

you get extra medals for each second skipped when

#

just like actual tower defense games

eternal escarp
#

not a bad idea tbh, but like

#

is this really something calamity should do?

cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
#

its not like calamity relies on OOA ever, unlike other thing

cobalt pewter
#

Quirky emote I yoinked from Dead Cells server

unreal viper
#

My ooa rework sugg is green checked.

smoky wigeon
#

You are invincible

cobalt pewter
#

What

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That's like

#

Endgame

smoky wigeon
#

Yeah

unreal viper
#

another sugg in purgatory

smoky wigeon
#

That’s also when you use the most ascendent spirit essence

sand umbra
dry latch
#

or just get brim mount and strafe

cobalt pewter
smoky wigeon
#

Because auric bars

cobalt pewter
sand umbra
#

legit I have like nothing planned for the event currently

#

it's so wonky

eternal escarp
#

i mean

#

what did you expectt

#

its a diffrent game genre inside a game

#

never expected much from ooa

cobalt pewter
#

The easy way to explain OOA is good concepts but jackass implementation

#

The event has an actual goal beyond killing shit

eternal escarp
#

basically

cobalt pewter
#

But the event as a whole is fucking disgusting

eternal escarp
#

betsy is a decent boss too

#

but

#

you cant really fight her

smoky wigeon
#

Whats ooa

eternal escarp
#

because of the long fucking wait and shitty everything in the event

#

Old Ones army

dry latch
#

ooa is fun in multiplayer. kinda

smoky wigeon
#

Oh yeah

#

That event sucks

eternal escarp
#

i remember my first ever terraria playthrough, OOA just felt

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bad

smoky wigeon
#

And in the end all you get is shitty sentries

eternal escarp
#

it was just a thing that i never felt the need to ever actually do

dry latch
#

had one person each guarding the two portals, one person in the middle killing strays and one dude soloing betsy

tawny garden
#

iirc I only did it Post-Moon Lord

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I decimated everybody and moved on HyperFailure

pine star
tawny garden
#

Never needed it

dry latch
#

valhalla best summoner armor in 1.3 tho

unreal viper
#

I did ooa a lot with my friend in our first pts.

hot zephyr
#

If Brimstone Flames gives blackout I'm going to cry.

stable bolt
#

Maybe Brimstone flames could make the screen tint red?

tawny garden
hot zephyr
#

Now you're beginning to sound like Lime.

tawny garden
#

fuck

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imma fly away then

#

in any case,

#

I think that if the debuff was something like let's say the blackout debuff it would
the grammar is ech

crystal iron
#

It sounds right to me

#

Maybe it's the lack of punctuation

tawny garden
#

ah

stable bolt
#

needs a comma

crystal iron
#

Ye probably

tawny garden
#

yeah, the lack of punctuation confused me prolly

crystal iron
stable bolt
#

yeah that's much better wegud

crystal iron
#

I need to use commas more PensiveCore

#

Or just punctuation on general

stable bolt
#

tbh you start to care less about punctuation when you're on discord for too long HDfailure

crystal iron
#

I stopped using it to piss off the grammar correctors on YouTube

stable bolt
paper jungle
#

I honestly just don't comment on youtube videos

#

I read the comments sometimes

tawny garden
#

offtopic moment

paper jungle
#

Yes

tawny garden
#

I shouldn't be judging people for it, I got warned for that

tawny garden
crystal iron
#

You forgot a full stop

#

:)

stable bolt
#

we're getting offtopic again DankEyes

dapper coral
#

yes you are

eternal escarp
#

(well, the only things are , and certain capital letters, byeah)

#

anyways

#

wanted to say, how could you really change the brimstoe debuff?

crystal iron
#

Ye I'm thinking about that right now

tawny garden
#

the debuff turns you into a brimstone creature

paper jungle
#

Oh no philo

dapper coral
#

btw wdym by the main debuff in calamity

paper jungle
#

Don't go there

crystal iron
#

I mean

stable bolt
#

i'm thinking if it makes the screen tint red it'll make it more noticeable

crystal iron
#

It's used by the main bosses and is the colour of the calamity logo

#

So it seems like the main debuff

dapper coral
#

color kinda doesn't matter iirc

tawny garden
#

well, it's not used that much

dapper coral
#

that would be strange

eternal escarp
#

color is just color

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and red is a prty common color for hell stuff anyways

crystal iron
#

Brimstone is used mrke than any other debuff I think, so

rugged belfry
tawny garden
#

hey now

crystal iron
#

Brismstone and astral infection are probably the main debuffs but both of them are DoT so my point still stands

tawny garden
#

I don't just correct them once and move on, I try to educate them

rugged belfry
#

Sorry for dumb

tawny garden
#

I don't actually mind HDfailure

rugged belfry
#

lol

dapper coral
#

i don't really think that it being a """main""" debuff is relevant

tawny garden
#

the "main debuff" is the one that's used the most

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not the "iconic one"

crystal iron
#

Ye I meant both then, unless I'm wrong brismstone seems the most popular debuff cuz it's used by

  1. king slime
  2. calamitas
  3. brismstone elemental
  4. scal
  5. player
  6. summons
  7. biome
  8. accessories
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Astral infection is close too

crystal iron
eternal escarp
#

(king slime? really?)

dapper coral
#

wait

crystal iron
#

Ye the jewel

dapper coral
#

which brimstone debuff

crystal iron
#

Huh wydm

dapper coral
#

what is the full name

eternal escarp
#

theres 2 arent there

dapper coral
#

there are multiple

radiant meadow
#

Brimstone Flames?

#

Abyssal Flames?

eternal escarp
#

Brimstone flames is 1 i remember

radiant meadow
#

and Vulnerability Hex

crystal iron
#

The one used by bosses, probably flames then

#

They all seem identical

radiant meadow
#

(all 3 are inflicted by bosses)

eternal escarp
#

hex is by scal, brimstone flames is brimmy i believe

dapper coral
#

brimstone flames is by ccal and brimmy

#

and various crag enemies

eternal escarp
#

yeah

crystal iron
#

Then I meant brimstone flames

#

May I ask what's the difference between those 3 anyway

eternal escarp
#

hex lowers some stats too i believe

dapper coral
#

hex is danger

#

abyssal is worse than brimstone

eternal escarp
#

ah

paper jungle
#

I thought astral infection was pretty strong with the rogue mollusk weapon

#

personally imo

eternal escarp
#

well

#

kinda is

#

but idk how its related

paper jungle
#

Brismstone and astral infection are probably the main debuffs but both of them are DoT so my point still stands

#

This

#

What this person said

eternal escarp
#

ah

#

my bad

crystal iron
#

Ok so I looked at all the 3 debuffs and they're all basically the same, with a few differences

dapper coral
#

in which case, brimstone flames is neither iconic nor the main debuff

crystal iron
#

Well, I mean the overall brismstone debuff, excluding vulnerability hex cuz that already does a lot

#

Cuz abyssal and brismstone are the same, but abyssal reduces defense too

dapper coral
#

so you mean, both abyssal flames and brimstone flames?

crystal iron
#

Ye

dapper coral
#

hm

crystal iron
#

Also out of all those three , brismstone is used the most

rugged belfry
#

hehe

#

brism

eternal escarp
#

i dont remember if the player can even inflict abyssal flames or the hex

rugged belfry
#

Last Brism

eternal escarp
#

ive only ever seen the brimstone get inflicted

crystal iron
#

U can't inflict hex

#

U can inflict brim and abyss tho

eternal escarp
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its only scals thing isnt it

pine star
eternal escarp
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ah

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thats it?

dapper coral
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also elemental gauntlet and ethereal extorter

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but that would be it

eternal escarp
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yeah makes more sense

crystal iron
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Ok so I just checked and brim flames is the most inflicted debuff in calamity

eternal escarp
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huh

rugged belfry
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:)

tawny garden
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nice

eternal escarp
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id assume brimstone flames, plague, astral infection and prolly holy flames are the most inflicted ones

crystal iron
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Ye

rugged belfry
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I agree it could use some work

hardy dock
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wow nobody engaged with this lol

dapper maple
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if all of them did the exact same thing it would be boring tho

tawny garden
dapper maple
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what's the lore behind the Brimstone Biome? maybe they can get a hint from there?

tawny garden
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it's good

dreamy drift
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valid point

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the relic is kinda useless of now

strong token
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thanks for posting that

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yeah the relic when I first got it seemed really intriguing but after a while of charging it, being slowed, and only getting 35 hp it just felt very disappointing.

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The item being a team item is interesting but in single player cases it does have an issue, you can barely use it in combat.

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Being slowed means you're very vulnerable to being hit and that plus the long charging time doesn't make it very useful during a boss

eternal escarp
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i think there was a sugg bout this once, but they all really should get a rework tbh

strong token
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I like the spectre effect but it needs a charging rework

shrewd solar
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Thats why i felt it should be a team item

strong token
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whether that be a shorter charge time or a faster speed

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true but you also want it to be viable in singleplayer

shrewd solar
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while the boss is attacking your friend, you charge it up

strong token
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my guess is most people play this mod solo

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so it would be kind of odd to have a unique item only useful in multiplayer

eternal escarp
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well..

strong token
eternal escarp
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theres items that do this in vanila already

strong token
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example?

shrewd solar
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the shields

strong token
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oh yeah that's true I suppose

eternal escarp
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and kimdof the whole aggri featire

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aggro*

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to focus on one player then the others

strong token
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fair enough

ruby star
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Id make the spectre healing part an example of what a rework could be so the sugg doesnt get struck down for being too specific

shrewd solar
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done

finite orchid
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oh hey, im unmuted now

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im going to take my time unmuted to ask what you guys thought about my suggestion/rant/essay which got me muted

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(I have it saved btw, its never gone)

dapper coral
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ffs man

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you were muted because you didn't stop

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and you really wanna continue?

finite orchid
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im just saying

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I feel like I had strong points

tawny garden
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You really hadn't

dapper coral
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move on

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your suggestion was completely moot because you didn't understand how the sugg rules worked, at all

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by continuing to post it and complain about "lack of democracy" in the sugg channels you were punished

ashen warren
dapper coral
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and if you continnue to talk about it again, you will be further punished

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this is your final warning

ashen warren
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You're joking me

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Right as I fixed one right next to it.

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Another one.

finite orchid
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ill take another look at the rules, I honestly might have missed one

tawny garden
ashen warren
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why does this always happen, I try to make something look nice and a meteor will randomly destroy it

radiant meadow
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if you don't want a meteor to land on a structure, just place some chests/dressers by/in it

shrewd solar
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why is this in sugg discussion

ashen warren
shrewd solar
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ah ok

grim tusk
finite orchid
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Alright, after reading through the rules on the google doc (if there are other ones please tell me) and I only found 1.5 rules that I kinda broke

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chaining suggestions under note 2, and posting more than 2 suggestions per day

wooden wedge
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continue and you're getting an extended mute. stop.

finite orchid
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im just saying that a direct reference to the rule I broke would be nice

tawny garden
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meme sugg

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  • Joke suggestions.
    Reason: We try to have an efficient and somewhat serious system in the suggestion channels. Joke suggestions are unhelpful, taking time and screen space away from suggestions that actually stand a chance and have the intention of improving the mod/server.
crystal iron
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What was the Sugg About anyway

dapper coral
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you don't need to worry about it

wooden wedge
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it doesnt need to be talked about

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at all

crystal iron
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Oh ok

finite orchid
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The first one was, yes

wooden wedge
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and the ones after were as well, and if you STILL continue after this message you will be punished.

finite orchid
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the second one maybe, but Im too lazy to type out a 3 paragraph essay, edit it down, and post it for a joke

ashen warren
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sigh

dapper coral
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and you're muted again.

ashen warren
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Just a question, why are there so few suggestions on the suggestion channel? Are they deleted after a certain time period or something?