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#suggestions-discussion
dry latch
or just make them drop more lol
crafting results in people just skipping the entire thing
rugged belfry
you see this ruins the point of the game
The fun is having to work for awards and if you were just able to craft the stuff it would ruin the point of the event entirely
earnest cape
distant vault
tawny garden
A craftable currency is v cool yes
grim tusk
Same
It would make grinding OoA just to spam hive pod/spike crag/energy staff way quicker and the armors would last more as they’ll be easier to obtain rather than grinding OoA for half an hour and just ending up using plaguebringer or hydrotermic instead
Speaking of crag, its the only reliable method of killing deus with summoner as stardust dragon is fucking bad and other weapons arent as effective unless you’re running glass cannon or 
+ hallowed rune
Dragon should be buffed by at least 5 dmg
grim tusk
Yea specially with sentries being nerfed left and right
Abuse them while you can
except energy staff and lunar ones as they killed energy staff and lurnar ones are shit
cobalt pewter
Honestly
If you want to make the coins easier to get
You need to also nerf the armors
grim tusk
You need to also nerf the armors
That would make the armors useless though (except Valhalla and Squire which’s regen does need a slight nerf)
river glen
That would make the armors useless though (except Valhalla and Squire which’s re...
didnt calamity nerf them
grim tusk
Valhalla i think yea
Also they suffer from powercreep anyways
The hybrid sets and Plaguebringer armor outshine them
1.4.5.003 energy staff was something to behold though
5 of them got slightly more dps than cosmilamps, no rune, or other summons
It was so dumb
crude geode
Bypass making the event better by just making a currency craftable
river glen
well
what would u make it better
its 7 waves iof annoying
and do that 9x times
for the armor
dry latch
wdym 9
you need around 2-3 for the whole armor set
add 1 more run for the sentry, but that's only if you get unlucky in terms of treasure bag drops
dry latch
completing the events gives you 100 medals (+ bag which randomly drops 30-50 iirc)
2 runs at worst you get 260
frail mantle
Completing Tier 3 awards 100 Defender Medals in total. In Expert Mode worlds, an additional bonus of 30-49 Defender Medals is dropped by Betsy's Treasure Bag.
dry latch
wait it's 49? mb lol
tawny garden
Completing such an event multiple times over is ludicrous for several reasons, one being that it's extremely tedious and also quite poorly made
dry latch
but that's an issue on the event itself, not on the medal drops
events are made to be farmed after all
tawny garden
Are they?
dry latch
the fix should be to fix the event, not make it drop everything in one go
see: blood moon, goblin invasion, pirate invasion, etc
river glen
`Completing Tier 3 awards 100 Defender Medals in total. In Expert Mode worlds, a...
huh? it dropped 25 for me when i did it
i dont remember
dry latch
did you do tier 2
dry latch
dry latch
last row is medal drops
river glen
yeah ik
i never got more than 25
so idk
i never did the event since early 2020
because i found it annoying
and i only got 25
dry latch
wat about the bags?
mint orchid
yeah
ashen warren
why....
glossy stone
Heya, should I repost my old suggestion ?
cobalt pewter
Which?
cobalt pewter
I mean sure
glossy stone
ik it's not the most important thing ever, but that problem is still relevant to me
robust lava
(also I think that part would mess with the bot)
glossy stone
'kay, I removed it
ashen warren
okay suggestion but doesnt seem much necessary
cobalt pewter
Which one, the emote sugg channel?
tawny garden
why does it look like sam was infected with Black Oil from the X-Files
solemn reef
What's this chat for
solemn reef
Well shit
solemn reef
Suggestions for emotes
glossy stone
disucc duggestions dou dumb dumb 
tawny garden
And an emote sugg channel would be cringe
solemn reef
Ok
glossy stone
rip
ashen warren
why Philo?
tawny garden
Or would eventually descend to cringe
solemn reef
Then item suggestions?
cobalt pewter
At least the cringe is isolated 
tawny garden
True
solemn reef
Ok seeya
tawny garden
Look what happened to #offtopic tho
tawny garden
Yes
ashen warren
What happened ffs
tawny garden
Moderating concentrated cringe is hard
robust lava
I feel like creating a dedicated emote sugg channel will either be rarely used, or it will be filled with emotes that wouldn’t have any purpose, since if there’s a channel for it, people will be more inclined to use it, even if they don’t have a good reason for the suggestion
ashen warren
^
ashen warren
robust lava
The ‘reason’ behind emote suggs is whether or not they will be used. If an emote won’t be used, then it shouldn’t be added
ashen warren
bruh
ashen warren
The ‘reason’ behind emote suggs is whether or not they will be used. If an emote...
yes
tbh an emote sugg channel doesnt seem that necessary even
heady storm
Me on the verge of manually approving this one too.
cobalt pewter
I mean we can just cease emote suggestions
I'm not gonna be against that
But at least having the actual suggs uninterrupted by emote suggs is the goal for me
gray nebula
channel bloat
Poggers
channel bloat with a channel that will just keep getting filled with bad memes and probably will require extra moderation
double poggers
cobalt pewter
marble hazel
lets gooo
channel bloat
pretty sure if emotes had no reason at all it'd take less space than suggs with 200 paragraphs
dapper coral
yeah that's not happening lmao
dapper coral
i was talking about an emote sugg channel
ashen warren
ye that is not a good i dea too
heady storm
@tawny ocean multi-classing is a thing and people do it when they want to.
sleek turret
isn't CD considered melee due it being considered as a shortsword in first place, at all?
heady storm
The whole point is that it is a short sword yes.
crude geode
@tawny ocean ^
sleek turret
and pretty much its usage is for true melee facetank or/and "the enemy is close to me enough to deliver an attack"
crude geode
Nobody else is gonna use cold heart icicle because it’s a melee weapon. Only true melee is gonna use it.
fossil finch
Funny icicle when AEW
river glen
wat about the bags?
i never ogt anything from betsy bags, unless its a tmod exclusive/singleplayer
hot zephyr
Literally fab just came up with a name in <#415575731574276106> and dank sugged ...
armwat is just 
2
sleek hornet
@tawny ocean replacing the helmet wth plagueringer helmet is the solution
tawny ocean
<@!594244867714973706> replacing the helmet wth plagueringer helmet is the solut...
i'll try that, thanks
but i still think it needs a buff until 1.4 drops
sleek hornet
fair enough
tawny ocean
did calamity nerf it at any point or was relogic just on drugs when they came up with it?
sleek hornet
did calamity nerf it at any point or was relogic just on drugs when they came up...
calamity didnt even touch it, its just :red: being weird
tawny ocean
at least 1.4 buffs it
brittle nexus
stardust guardian damage is hardcoded I've heard
aka really difficult to change
if not impossible
hot zephyr
tawny ocean
river glen
would it be possible to make stardust guardian be faster
tawny garden
stardust guardian damage is hardcoded I've heard
aka really difficult to change
let me actually see
river glen
or have a larger radius
cobalt pewter
let me actually see
river glen
since if the damage is hardcoded, u can just buff other aspects
tawny garden
other stuff might also be hardcoded
river glen
or is it hardcoded to
yeah...
i was thinking just make guardian have a larger attack
pine star
Why 26 times?
Why not 27 or 25?
river glen
because
frail mantle
@velvet locust if you have balance suggestions it's better to take it to a tester instead of #suggestions-posting
cobalt pewter
Leon any testing on Crystalline?
frail mantle
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
cobalt pewter
Since you're tester
frail mantle
one sec
cobalt pewter
distant gyro
Crystalline has already been nerfed various times and we've been content with how good it is now
distant gyro
It's about as strong as Diamond Staff
which is logical because both weapons use Diamond
zenith hazel
fun fact, crystalline is expected to get a buff
velvet locust
wat
zenith hazel
for a weapon that takes some effort to get, it's not that rewarding
so it's likely to get a buff
river glen
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
🤔
river glen
for a weapon that takes some effort to get, it's not that rewarding
well, the thing is is that seashell boomerang does almost as well as it vs scourge and EoC
so yeah
at least in my experience
its overated
the crystaline and its line is overated in my opinion and i dont see a need for a nerf at all
hot zephyr
That's just a throwing knife with extra steps
river glen
That's just a throwing knife with extra steps
litterally yeah
zenith hazel
it's our decision on how to buff it at the end of the day
river glen
well, yeah, its not our choice
obv
i want to suggest something
is alpha ray / genisis loud
for u guys
to me its very loud at least, and i would prob suggest a sound decrease to it
frail mantle
there's already a suggestion in posting about reducing the volume on a bunch of mage weapons, genesis line included
you should probably wait to see how that one does before suggesting it yourself
pine star
@ashen warren Elysian Aegis' life regen is being moved to Asgardian Aegis next update
dreamy drift
@ashen warren maybe expand on the upgrade thing, just saying "make it better" wont do anything
dapper coral
it is already happening, yes
tawny garden
why is MunkeGutz' sugg exclamated?
dreamy drift
because something is wrong with it
tawny garden
is it being rebalanced next update
dreamy drift
it was explained why if you scroll up
tawny garden
it wasn't really explained all that well
dapper coral
tl;dr maybe impossible but who knows? i think?
tawny garden
and the author wasn't pinged
zenith hazel
because it's already established that balancing suggestions are discouraged
dreamy drift
i think someone said the damage was hardcoded
zenith hazel
not to mention the guardian being hardcoded so even if we found a way to adjust it, is it really worth it when 1.4 already does that for us?
tawny garden
alright, that makes sense
heady lichen
this is deadass just self promotion lmao
whole sedge
Self promotion, meme sugg, no valid reason, probably more
definition of a don't
hot zephyr
"it would be funny, I think"
fossil finch
isn't this
Like the strongest delete everything
hot zephyr
@zenith hazel don't% (WR)
fossil finch
yeah
summer sentinel
@finite orchid don't post meme suggestion like that, thank you
finite orchid
what do you mean it is very serious
summer sentinel
Yharon's theme is not going to get replaced in any way, shape or form
finite orchid
but it would be funny
heady lichen
...
summer sentinel
that's not a valid reason
heady lichen
also to whom would it be funny?
funny is objective
to you, maybe
to others, probably not
summer sentinel
Think of that theme existing on april fools to everyone who plays calamity: many would be annoyed than laugh at it
people take cal's music quite seriously for its quality, that'd just downplay the fight's intensity as well
finite orchid
yes but it would be funny]\
summer sentinel
it's not going to happen
cloud pier
it would actually be funny though
finite orchid
thats not the genre of music though
cloud pier
its not a meme its an omegalol
zenith hazel
get back on topic
zenith hazel
no.
summer sentinel
@finite orchid warned, since I had told you before to not make a meme sugg like that. the theme is not getting replaced at all
eternal escarp
they can harm the actual suggestions and prolly, if somehow passed, the time of devs
eternal escarp
and you kinda violate the Donts
tawny garden
useless messages aren't acceptable there
if you wish to post random useless crap, go to #general-talk
dapper coral
no, don't do that either
tawny garden
unless that useless crap also violates the rules
dapper coral
this is your final warning before you're muted @finite orchid
eternal escarp
said philo, who posted the :decompiled: sugg
tawny garden
shh
dapper coral
you've been told not to do this, and it clearly violates suggestion rules
finite orchid
I have read over the rules and only the first suggestion violates a rule
cyan lagoon
eternal escarp
sounds like a "itd be cool" sugg, which isnt a very valid point
and besides, there are already quite a few mods to allow this tbh
tawny garden
Kind of short and random (like me, except I'm only the first half),
this should be removed
wooden wedge
@rugged belfry ^
rugged belfry
Edited
eternal escarp
yeah, thats what i meant
theres alot of mods and ways that allow this tbh
and you could always just place the box in the ground and activate it
but idk
swift wharf
it's not some QoL that calamity should have
fossil finch
Just get tMusicPlayer
pine star
About the recent sugg: Maybe the healing stars could have a different shape?
eternal escarp
yeah, maybe an x instead of a + , but details are for the devs ofc
pine star
yeah
eternal escarp
i like that idea tho, to let more people the ability to play
whole sedge
(Didn't know provi had healing stars until this either)
still zodiac
Yeah and they're hard to see
whole sedge
Welp now that I actually know they exist uh yeah I can agree with this of that they're pretty unnoticable and blend in with the tons of other stars
eternal escarp
lmao
pine star
lol
eternal escarp
a bigger reason
rugged belfry
Yeah I like this idea
Especially cus it'll help people who're colorblind or completely blind altoghther
hardy dock
Wait
whole sedge
Or just people who are unaware of their surroundings near constantly like me
hardy dock
I always thought the healing stars were slightly smaller
rugged belfry
Same lol
eternal escarp
i rmemeber some stars being smaller anyways, but maybe it was just illusion
hardy dock
I can barely tell the difference in color anyway
eternal escarp
yeah, the green tint is very small to the whitish core they both have
still zodiac
Well yeah that's another problem with them
hardy dock
I think just slightly shrinking the sprite for the healing stars is good
Keeping the hitbox the same though
still zodiac
Perhaps, but altering the sprite a little would be good imo
eternal escarp
sounds wierd to do that
yeah because size could just look wierd
especially for those who dont know they ecist
since then they just think theres big and small stars
hardy dock
Well
That seems like a problem no matter the tell
People would just think there are two variants
eternal escarp
a diff sprite is better, and thats fair, although most people relate green to healing, atleast i did when i played
whole sedge
I mean yeah if they were a more noticable tint along with a different shape and/or size I bet a lot of people would kind of actually figure that out
hardy dock
Ted Cruz 😳
eternal escarp
was hard to see the green at first tho
still zodiac
I mean something as simple as just flipping them from + to x would work too
hardy dock
Yeah the new healing star green is too subtle
crude geode
@dapper coral kill
crude geode
also delete the sugg
tawny garden
still zodiac
hardy dock
What happened?
still zodiac
Another silly suggestion
crude geode
ty 
hardy dock
I wasn't paying attention lol
whole sedge
mans wrote like a 3 paragraph essay because he made a meme sugg and it got deleted
tawny garden
nothing important
crude geode
person being meme, don't worry
crude geode
mhm
still zodiac
Anyways, provi stars
crude geode
byeah making the sprite different would work
eternal escarp
anyeays back to provi star
hardy dock
Rust and Dust stars are wonky
mighty knot
meh seems fine to me, I kinda struggle with that a bit
eternal escarp
thing is
mighty knot
maybe just make healing ones differently shaped and the color more pronounced?
hardy dock
Hard for everyone to see
eternal escarp
for colorblind that doesnt help at all
mighty knot
changing shape?
eternal escarp
which is what we are thinking, yeah
still zodiac
Changing the shape could work, yeah
whole sedge
I mean yeah making the green more defined for not red green colorblind people and also making the icon different for those who are would probably be good
hardy dock
How could you fix it for colorblinds to make it clear that it heals?
still zodiac
That's a good question
hardy dock
tis' what ive been saying
eternal escarp
size wont really do anything, color is wack for some colorblindness, shape is the only thing you could work with, and even then its wonky because of how terraria needs wiki for mostly everything
hardy dock
Meh
mighty knot
I can't think of anything particularly good for that though
hardy dock
it doesnt fit provi's theme tho
eternal escarp
a diffrent sprite should be a thing anyways, since the game really relies on wiki so i dont think it changed the point
although
hardy dock
Fun fact
eternal escarp
you can add that as a help message from an NPC maybe?
hardy dock
Yeah
whole sedge
probably a green heart would be good ig
still zodiac
Yeah that too
Heart doesn't really fit Provi's theme though, as it was stated before
hardy dock
"Beware of Providence's stars. They can steal your life. However, if you get lucky it'll give you health"
Obviously very rough dialogue
eternal escarp
obv
crude geode
Heart doesn't really fit Provi's theme though, as it was stated before
To be fair, stars don't really fit that well either.
eternal escarp
byeah thats a nice touch
eternal escarp
also, i always thought of then as sparks
still zodiac
I mean before that she had tiny flame things
eternal escarp
more then stars
still zodiac
Those fit her theme pretty well
hardy dock
Maybe make the healing stars blink?
mighty knot
mmm that could be good
eternal escarp
i mean, we can also just do the obvious gsmeplay thing and make it shoot the heart consumables that drop in the ground, although very wierd it can work?
hardy dock
eh
eternal escarp
maybe resprite the heart for prov
hardy dock
yeah
still zodiac
Rather than just dropping them
Because with heartreach you can kind of cheese it
Unless those hearts are not affected by them
hardy dock
I still think changing the sprite is most effective
still zodiac
Either way sticking to earning the healing from the stars would be better
And yeah changing the sprite would be good
hardy dock
Plus what good is 20 hp going to do you anyway
eternal escarp
oh i didnt mean her just dropping it obv
still zodiac
Oh like what then?
eternal escarp
like they are rn, but just spriting the already existing heart pickups to fit prov maybe
because then, gameplay wise
the player knows what those do
still zodiac
Oh that
Yeah but the hearts should still be changed somewhat
I guess it could look like a burning heart or something
eternal escarp
yeah maybe
still zodiac
Or just fire in a shape of a heart
eternal escarp
maybe rocky / crystalline / tarragon ish hearts
still zodiac
Actually yeah
eternal escarp
because of her roots or crystal or idk
still zodiac
That could work too
eternal escarp
that fits tbh
still zodiac
Yeah actually
eternal escarp
tbh id be sad if that sugg will die, accesibility should be a thing when possible
still zodiac
Yeah, especially when the healing sparks aren't visible even for normal players
eternal escarp
most normal players, byeah i always had a hard timing seeing those
still zodiac
So yeah, either changing their sprite slgihtly or just completely respriting them to look like crystal fragments from the healer guardian should do it
crude geode
@jagged jackal You should probably have more reasoning than “I want an upgrade.” Also your upgrades sound specific to be honest.
dapper coral
brav got it 
tawny garden
ah
dapper coral
such is the way of the sugg channel
tawny garden
how tf do you have 9k pings
violet dagger
bruh momento
zenith hazel
@cloud pier don't
cloud pier
did you even read it?
zenith hazel
yes I did
radiant meadow
If there are issues with how punishment was handled, it should be taken to Staff Mail. Please don't try and make a scene here.
zenith hazel
^
cloud pier
^
hollow shell
@twilit warren Changelog for next update:
twilit warren
i didnt know how strong the buff to their rarity would be, thus the suggestion
hollow shell
That's fair. It doesn't invalidate your sugg, but know that they will be much less of a problem once 1.5 rolls around
twilit warren
ye
river glen
~~how tf do you have 9k pings~~
its ~40k but ok
zenith hazel
bot's down, notified amber
tawny garden
its ~40k but ok
how
whole sedge
More importantly, why
river glen
dapper coral
you can have that convo in DMs
river glen
cuz im to lazy to remove them
dapper coral
keep it out of suggs
river glen
okie
heady storm
@zenith hazel please remember to actually remove suggestions from #suggestions-posting once you have 'approved' them, just a heads up.
zenith hazel
was busy getting food, forgot
civic notch
Tbh Distorted makes the Core actually a threat
Its something you definitely want to avoid
It punishes unprepared players
You could either focus on dodging the core more, or make a build around surviving after a blunder
mighty knot
@slow sphinx :no:
civic notch
But yeah, the core definitely loses a lot of power when you take away what makes it unique
mighty knot
yeh without the distorted thing the core is really kinda boring and unimportant
I actually think it's a really good design choice to have it, because it's a super memorable effect that you learn to watch out for
civic notch
Plus then you could just start tanking it, and then waiting for it to rush you and attacking it forcing it to retreat into the slimes themselves
slow sphinx
<@!288430299451228161> :no:
There is a reason I added only for it to apply to the core, rather than all the mines
radiant meadow
The mines don't inflict Distorted.
mighty knot
^
slow sphinx
Then how do I get distorted when I am nowhere near the core
radiant meadow
If the mines inflict Distorted, that's a bug and you should get footage and report it.
The red mines are supposed to inflict Cursed.
slow sphinx
Ok
radiant meadow
The purple mines should just inflict Weak.
dreamy drift
idk man, the effects of the evasion scarf may not be good later on but the 25% true melee can carry into late game if you are doing a true melee run
slow sphinx
My point
hot zephyr
The only reason Counter Scarf has an update to begin with is that the Evasion Scarf was a patreon item.
I think the suggestion is valid, but unviable just because the Counter Scarf is so old that if the devs actually wanted counter scarf upgrades they'd have made them already.
slow sphinx
I understand that, but I feels like it cuts off, I just think the Evasion should be a material for something down the line. It could be an optional material (I don't know how they would get that to work though) and tie into something else already made. It just feels unfinished.
hot zephyr
Not everything needs to have a thousand item tree
I actually think too many items in the mod are materials.
slow sphinx
Not everything *needs* to have a thousand item tree
I find it weird that it only has two items in the tree. Usually it's like three or more or just a one-off
hot zephyr
It was supposed to be a one-off.
slow sphinx
O
hot zephyr
Like previously stated, it's upgrade is a patreon weapon.
The only reason it exists to begin with is that someone paid money to have it implemented.
slow sphinx
Welp I am still leaving it there. Whether or not it passes it another question.
hot zephyr
You've got every right to have it there.
slow sphinx
Unless I'm in some very specific places
zenith hazel
bot is back up
rugged belfry
yay
rugged belfry
bot is back up
idk if you knew but me and @ashen warren are best friends
zenith hazel
I don’t even know who you are
rugged belfry
cool
zenith hazel
no offense
rugged belfry
lol
rustic frigate
glossy stone
Not that much lel
They can die in 2 seconds
or they can be the cheapest shit ever
bold wave
phishies are great
hot zephyr
Good sugg
robust lava
@supple urchin The spawn rate is being reduced next update
#changelogs message
crystal iron
About the scarf one, wouldn't that tie the shields to revengance if that was actually implemented
iirc they don't even use an expert accessory
supple urchin
<@!297751392456671236> The spawn rate is being reduced next update
https://disco...
that's good
eternal escarp
so the sugg is already happening, you prolly can delete it
@ashen warren you might have confused the channels
you discuss here, not there lol
ashen warren
I agree with providence healing stars. They are very hard to see especially for colour blind people.
eternal escarp
yeah, hope it gets voted enough tbh
more accesibility is great
and even i sometimes cant see em
ashen warren
i just hit all the stars
sharp prism
protip: they are smaller than the regular ones iirc
ashen warren
1% smallr
eternal escarp
its really not that noticible, and colorblind people might not even know the diffrence anyways
we discussed a way to tell the player
without relying on size nor wiki
but its a dev decision after all lol
still zodiac
Yeah but if it gets enough attention that means people actually care about it
eternal escarp
yeah
eternal escarp
oh god
crude geode
Swords sicken me.
eternal escarp
does it actually add 124? holy shit thats huge
eternal escarp
that really is absolutely huge
pine star
That said, there are some low hanging fruits that can be picked off
Like Basher, Redtide, and Seashine
tepid root
really agree with this suggestion but i highly doubt itll ever happen
eternal escarp
im absolutely baffled by this, where did all the swords even go holy shit
crude geode
Fabsol's favorite class 
eternal escarp
this proves a point that theres so many its impossible to count because, atleast i cant, remember like a half of them
crude geode
half of them you probably don't even recognize as swords.
eternal escarp
did you count shortswords?
crude geode
nope
eternal escarp
...and scythes..?
crude geode
I went to weapons and counted everything under "Swords"
crude geode
it unfortunately counted things like feller of evergreens, but it won't fluctuate too much
eternal escarp
yeah holy shit this is huge tbh
pine star
JESUS FUCK
crude geode
It actually disgusts me
eternal escarp
claws and scythes count as swords too basically
they act the same
just diffrent sizes
pine star
And there are some hammers
crude geode
At least ranged has the decency to spread out it's weapons, instead of having like 100 bows.
eternal escarp
4 "main" subclasses
although melee has Yo-Yo, Flails,Swords and shortswords i believe
prolly another subclass i missed
crude geode
It's hilarious because if you look at every other type of weapon besides swords, you wonder how melee has so many weapons
crude geode
rip
eternal escarp
this is actually fucking bonkers
how do you make so many unique swords with this amount
pine star
YOU DO NOT
pine star
Seashine Sword is literally slightly better Enchanted Sword
tawny garden
how fast will Fab snipe this
pine star
Basher is literally Platinum Broadsword that inflicts Irradiated
crude geode
If it wasn't for swords, melee would have the least amount of weapons (besides summoner).
pine star
damn
eternal escarp
theres alot of swords i really didnt even know existed
tawny garden
crude geode
yep.
eternal escarp
when did this become a thing even
pine star
Oh
pine star
That thing deserves to be cleaved
pine star
Also, Either Trinity or Darklight Greatsword need to be yeeted
tawny garden
Doesn't help that every other update 5 patrons add melee weapons in <:hage:75910...
not anymore
at least for now
crude geode
You act like there isn't a backlog to be implemented.
tawny garden
true
eternal escarp
lmao
pine star
Hey, it helps with Summoner, sentry subclass, and making summoner more interesting
eternal escarp
dont see the reason why people will ever use trinity over darklight, it just seems plain better for little cost
crude geode
summoner just needs like 70 more weapons so it actually exists
People act like you can't add more summoner weapons bc "how would you make them interesting" but nobody bats an eye at the 124 melee swords.
crude geode
eternal escarp
i mean, some people said summoner only uses 1 weapon in battle
obviously, because theres so little summons that fit every situation
tawny garden
using only one summoning weapon is bad iirc
eternal escarp
whilst melee, ranger can prolly use like 3 weapons depending on how the fight it
eternal escarp
the fact other classes has so much variety lets them switch in battle, thats the point why summoner needs more summons lol
crude geode
hm this could make it more appealing for voters
crude geode
Using the word "Replace" instead of "Remove".
crude geode
summoner gang becomes dominant
pine star
~~just replace the swords with summoner weapons smh my head~~
replace swords with sentries
eternal escarp
im ranger gang but i like summoner
pine star
i'm melee gang
eternal escarp
wait
pine star
I am sorry for being melee gang
crude geode
~~i'm melee gang~~
die
eternal escarp
melee user wanting less melee?
pine star
YES
eternal escarp
we hit a new low
tawny garden
Too fat a deck is very bad
not always true
James Bond played with 4 decks in Casino Royale
he won
pine star
That's 4 different decks
tawny garden
m yeah
fossil finch
im mage gang
tawny garden
~~im mage gang~~
highfive
crude geode
~~im mage gang~~
Same, I just look beyond my favorite class because it’s alright overall rn when compared to summoner and melee
fossil finch
pog
cobalt pewter
P sure Ben stated making minion AI is harder than
pine star
Another piece of low hanging fruit is Floodtide
cobalt pewter
Copypasting swords
pine star
Copypasting swords
dartling gun sentry
eternal escarp
he did say that
cobalt pewter
Well the latter isn't what he said
tawny garden
yes, it is harder
eternal escarp
and it kinda makes sense
cobalt pewter
But it is hard making minion AI iiirc
pine star
yeah
tawny garden
but it doesn't mean you should copy+paste the bloat
heady storm
Cursed is on a mission to end the melee bloat.
eternal escarp
yeah he is
pine star
Yep
heady storm
I thought I would never see the day.
cobalt pewter
In any case, this could work
crude geode
I can’t use the word remove otherwise it will insta-die
cobalt pewter
Since it doesn't state outright removal
tawny garden
probably won't
crude geode
If this suggestion doesn’t get to dev, I go back to the drawing board and give more thought and a thesis to this because goddamn is it dumb
cobalt pewter
In any case, sweeping changes like this likely won't be moving anywhere if it's only pushed through suggestions
eternal escarp
id be absolutely surprised if this even gets enough stars
pine star
same
eternal escarp
i mean, im sure more melee users would love variety
brittle nexus
okay but something to say is
it's the same in vanilla
eternal escarp
right?
pine star
Even though I will star it with fury
brittle nexus
pine star
i mean, im sure more melee users would love variety
yeah
Like me
tawny garden
actually
cobalt pewter
okay but something to say is
it's the same in vanilla
Well who the fuck cares about vanilla 
tawny garden
lemme get the vanilla numberz
cobalt pewter
jkr ed
crude geode
okay but something to say is
it's the same in vanilla
Yes but vanilla is badly designed. Calamity is much less so.
pine star
Or at least Calamity is trying not to be badly designed
heady storm
Clearly we can make the mod no worse than vanilla correct?
pine star
That is a very very low bar
fossil finch
can we?
eternal escarp
Back to nohitting Duke rq
GL, was very fun
brittle nexus
also >90% of the swords have some cool projectile they fire or some cool on hit effect
eternal escarp
thing is
im sure theres alot of swords which have the basically same projectile with a diffrent style
pine star
Redtide Sword
Seashine Sword
Basher
Trinity/Darklight Greatsword
crude geode
So 110 weapons do the same thing?
eternal escarp
atleast 30
pine star
All of these can be yeeted and people would lose nothing
cobalt pewter
also >90% of the swords have some cool projectile they fire or some cool on hit ...
That doesn't excuse them from being Broadsword by nature, which is not only a flawed use style, but also a lame one iirc
crude geode
It’s a lack of variety
cobalt pewter
Broadsword use style seems to fit on weapons with naturally long use time imo
Since the way the movement works attempts to mimic heavy hits
crude geode
Ranged has guns, flamethrowers, and bows.
Mage is the variety class.
Summoner...has some close ranged summons, normal ones, and raven staff that zooms across the planet.
Melee has half of it’s weapon as the same type.
eternal escarp
ranged also has the unique and launchers as smaller subclasses tbh
cobalt pewter
I know that's not super related to the convo at hand, byeah
brittle nexus
ok well what else would you want from melee.
you have
sword, spear shortsword mainly
crude geode
Not half of it’s weapons in a single weapon type?
cobalt pewter
A more balanced spread between subclass content ig
pine star
sword, spear shortsword mainly
Flails
Yoyos
Boomerangs
crude geode
A more balanced spread between subclass content ig
^
eternal escarp
these are all the flails, to the absurd sword number
tawny garden
yeah
eternal escarp
19 yoyo's
brittle nexus
there doesn't need to be a perfect ratio between all types of weapons
eternal escarp
i think?
cobalt pewter
there doesn't need to be a perfect ratio between all types of weapons
Perfect isn't needed, but when Broadsword hogs half of melee total...yeah
brittle nexus
and you have to bring back the statement of "not all subclasses are meant to be viable at all points in the game"
eternal escarp
wrong reply?
crude geode
and you have to bring back the statement of "not all subclasses are meant to be ...
“More fleshed out” is okay.
And that’s what this is.
So the class isn’t just a single weapon type
cobalt pewter
Yeah fleshing out subclasses in general is fine
brittle nexus
melee wouldn't be any different in hardmode mostly, if the thing that shot the projectile was a different melee weapon
cobalt pewter
melee wouldn't be any different in hardmode mostly, if the thing that shot the p...
I mean, it all boils down to the development work tbh
We can't be sure on that
crude geode
You can also work on making them different
eternal escarp
tbh, if the projectile was the actual weapon, like flails and yoyos that couldve been nice
but melee in terraria is problem on its own tbf
cobalt pewter
I'd agree this is a big scale rework, tho
brittle nexus
It's easier to make a sword, and generally it doesn't matter in the end if the projectile comes out of the broadsword or the spear
crude geode
You can also work on making them different
Something that can be done considering how much work is being put into true melee
cobalt pewter
wow 29
tawny garden
yeah
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
eternal escarp
"summoner rework"
added less then half of summon weapons total
tawny garden
basically, Fab is no different to Red
cobalt pewter
Isn't what they're doing with the game basically asking modders to fix the game?
brittle nexus
basically, Fab is no different to Red
what
cobalt pewter
Imagine blaming vanilla when a mod can just not do mistakes vanilla did
fossil finch
kinda
cobalt pewter
half kayak
is asking to tweak weapons a don't?
eternal escarp
tweak as in?
cobalt pewter
is asking to tweak weapons a don't?
Depends really, but just stat changes are no atm
half kayak
like changing it
fossil finch
no not at all
but balance suggs are mostly discouraged
eternal escarp
it depends what the tweak is
cobalt pewter
basically, Fab is no different to Red
HECK, they're both Andrews
half kayak
the tweak was changing enforcer's projectile
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
is asking to tweak weapons a don't?
probably not a don't
half kayak
super lame cuz its just a singular non-homing flame
cobalt pewter
the tweak was changing enforcer's projectile
Enforcer is planned to be true melee iirc
Idk how the plan goes now
eternal escarp
i mean even then
crude geode
Calamity exacerbates the problem of melee being swords and nothing else by making it half the weapons instead of just like a third.
eternal escarp
not really a good reason behind it
cobalt pewter
Yeah, not a good reason either
eternal escarp
so the sugg about enforcer proj change is kindof a dont unless nothing is planned for it and you can find a good reason that isnt "its lame"
half kayak
no it actually feels like a forbidden oathblade reskin
brittle nexus
**Vanilla 1.3.5.3**
Melee: 271
Ranged: 134
Magic: 66
Summoner: 29
oh right. are tools included in this count?
half kayak
but just a flame projectile and not 3 scythes
eternal escarp
no it actually feels like a forbidden oathblade reskin
you just added to the point of the convo before hand
cobalt pewter
In any case, yeah, a mod DOESN'T have to follow the mistakes vanilla did. Isn't a massive rework to the reforging system happening?
tawny garden
oh right. are tools included in this count?
yeah
eternal escarp
well theres atleast like
40 tools that arent intended to be weapons?
exluding like, butcheres chainsaw and that
fossil finch
In any case, yeah, a mod DOESN'T have to follow the mistakes vanilla did. Isn't ...
me when i spend 90 hours for that one reforge that rng did not want to give me pog game (pog game)
tawny garden
I didn't count the weapons by hnd
half kayak
the only tools with a toolpower and melee damage that should be there are:
grax, crystyl crusher, butcher's chainsaw
might've missed one
eternal escarp
prolly
tawny garden
I counted by searching for ["melee"], ["ranged"], etc. in [[tgc:Module:Iteminfo/data]]
red stormBOT
eternal escarp
ill count vanilla ones atm since thats what the topic seems to be rn
cobalt pewter
@tawny garden maybe try to exclude the ones with any tool power?
eternal escarp
(wouldnt this page https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Melee_weapons would be enough to ease the counting of actual weapons?)
(since thats what im doing rn)
tawny garden
<@456921329158062093> maybe try to exclude the ones with any tool power?
I leave that as an exercise to the reader
and we kinda drifted into offtopic with it tbh, as it seems
cobalt pewter
crude geode
melee bloated, fabsol pls fix
fossil finch
no more funny swords thx
cobalt pewter
@zenith hazel thoughts on the last sugg being a big scale rework? Just curious
tawny garden
it does seem huge, yeah
zenith hazel
we were already planning to rework a majority of the swords
I don't see the point in removing them in the near future
crude geode
zenith hazel
I thought this was already public info
half kayak
crude geode
wait rework?
eternal escarp
wait rework?
crude geode
As in “change how they work”
cobalt pewter
wait rework?
crude geode
Fuck
eternal escarp
51 preHM swords (not counting every blade variation nor arkhalis and terragrim)
+
35 hm swords (not counting every phasesaber)
vanilla swords
zenith hazel
rework/change
crude geode
That kinda doesn’t make sense to me. There’s only so many different things you can do with swords, and most of the time it’s gonna come down to what has the best projectile, for what people use.
tawny garden
yes
eternal escarp
yeah so it makes sense
fossil finch
why are the phase blades and phase sabers a thing
was referencing starwars with all gem colors that important
eternal escarp
no idea why they even made so many phasesaber variations
eternal escarp
vanilla do be wacky 😳
gray nebula
time to make new sprites and code for most swords
and then it's still melee bloat but 🌻 varied 💮
cobalt pewter
gray nebula
delete most swords like a boss instead but we all know it's not happening
cobalt pewter
You gotta blame Fab for that brotja
gray nebula
, sadge!
eternal escarp
i mean, variation is always good
brittle nexus
You gotta blame Fab for that brotja
Fab doesn't make every item in the mod.
crude geode
Fabsol is the owner of the mod with the melee bias tho.
unreal viper
yeah, but he's opposed to removing melee stuff
zenith hazel
...he's the one proposing the rework in the first place
cobalt pewter
Fuck I was nohitting Duke
unreal viper
cobalt pewter
Byeah I was just joking there, Fab just hates removing stuff in general
zenith hazel
if the problem is still the melee bloat then what does that change anything?
people will still complain
pine star
A distribution of 100-30-30-30 is worse than 40-40-40-40
cobalt pewter
Don't even need to be like that
crude geode
Ranged is bloated but you don’t see nearly as many complaints about it as melee.
zenith hazel
and definitely not something we'd do in the foreseeable future
fossil finch
bloat :bloat:
cobalt pewter
Just more stuff for rogue and summoner should do for me at least, so that I don't get to fuckin
Pain looking at the amount of melee weaps
zenith hazel
cool
fossil finch
now that i think about it, i've seen a lot of mods follow that order in how many weps are added
Melee > Ranger > Mage > Summoner
eternal escarp
i mean
cobalt pewter
Again, because minion AI is hard
eternal escarp
i wonder why
crude geode
Is my suggestion valid or does it need to be struck down for large scale rework @zenith hazel
eternal escarp
yeah lol, minion ai
zenith hazel
I'm very much leaning towards the latter
eternal escarp
and im assuming mage weapons arent as easy as most melee and ranger
zenith hazel
not just because it's high effort, but also because it'd render the plan of reworking some of the melee weapons redundant
eternal escarp
since mage is ✨ v a r i e t y ✨
cobalt pewter
Mage weapons can wildly vary from lame as shit to Eternity
brittle nexus
now that i think about it, i've seen a lot of mods follow that order in how many...
Melee is easy to make, ranger tends to be restricted to bows, guns, flamethrowers, and rockets. Mage is that low because each weapon can be quite different from the other. There isn't really weapon types or subclasses for mage. For summoner, literally every single summon weapon is different
cobalt pewter
crude geode
Understandable. Unfortunate, but understandable.
Go ahead and delete it if you want Brav.
eternal escarp
just delete it yourself smh
tawny garden
another fun bit of trivia
Calamity adds 1717 items, and of these 809 are weapons
crude geode
Wacky
tawny garden
47.12%
crude geode
also if you ever wanted the actual number of melee weapons, it's 219. 244 is with tools (that includes hydraulic volt crasher).
crude geode
depth crusher and feller of evergreens are included in swords.
Volt Crasher isn't bc it's a jackhammer? Try not to think about it too much
pine star
It's a jackhammer
crude geode
it's dedicated to fabsol/aka he just put it in. Looked through the previous versions of the wiki page.
pine star
oh
crude geode
but for some reason it isn't there on the current version.
pine star
idk
eternal escarp
its not actually dedicated to him, iirc he stated that the only things dedicated to him are cirrus azathoth and i forgot the last one but im prty sure it wasnt animus
pine star
Alicorn mount
pine star
It did not send twice
pine star
@dark light Specific Item Suggestions are a don't
There is a doc in the pins with stuff you should not do
dark light
oh im absolutely not reading that lmao ty tho ill delete
10 page doc to make a suggestion
pine star
It's just stuff you should not do
eternal escarp
#suggestions-posting message
i still wonder, like
this is changed next update anyways
dont think the suggestion needs to stay if its already fixed next update
fossil finch
10 page doc to make a suggestion
I still can't get why people complain about this
Are people really that lazy?
eternal escarp
yes
pine star
yes
manic gale
yeah pretty much
dapper coral
you don't need to insult people, thanks
if they're not gonna read it then that's on them, but you don't need to call people lazy for it
manic gale
i mean if they just skim over it and combine it with common sense they should be fine
fossil finch
it wasn't really an insult to leed
just a question if in general people can't really bother to read such a small thing, at the point a lot of people complain about it as if having rules that require being read is something bad
dreamy drift
@half kayak cool suggestion but i think you cant suggest specific items
half kayak
<@!669867574615605268> cool suggestion but i think you cant suggest specific ite...
i just said add it
dreamy drift
how is that any different
half kayak
i didnt say "oh its called godslayer wings requires ascend essence and cosmilite bars and bonus is GS revive heals to full hp"
fossil finch
godslayer is literally getting one next update lol
fossil finch
and auric tesla, well uhh
do they really need wings, with the tracers and shit
half kayak
well seraph tracers conflict with lunar wings
fossil finch
They don't really, since lunar wings are themed along fragments shit, not luminite
fossil finch
Celestial tracers, however, are themed around auric
Yeah like
every other post moonlord wing
eternal escarp
auric tier wings were suggested once i believe, no idea if it passed or not