most people also use boss healthbar
#suggestions-discussion
dry latch
doesn't mean calamity have to get rid of their own changes about it
cobalt pewter
Cal hp is buggy as shit
crude geode
Boss health bar isn’t a tiny thing in the corner of the screen.
tawny garden
"most" might be an exaggeration
smoky wigeon
Yeah no they should keep the evil island
manic gale
anyway brb
crude geode
Unlike calamity’s healthbar
smoky wigeon
There’s no point to remove it for balancing
If people already play with both evils anyway
dry latch
point is calamity didn't remove it. they just added configs to disable it
frail mantle
i don't use both world evils
smoky wigeon
I don’t either
Most people i’ve talked to about it though, do use it
dry latch
I don't either. I purge the evils like an autist every time and never use items from them
crude geode
Personally, there’s nothing invalid about removing the evil islands. It’s just not going to happen, even though it should imo.
velvet locust
did everyone just forget about builds?
eternal escarp
i still dont really get the fact that people want the sole purpose of having 2 evil types to dissapear, the evil islands make the choice so redundant it should just not exist
dapper coral
i think the point feedzuh is trying to make is that this particular aspect of QoL negates the functionality of choosing in the first place
crude geode
^^^
dapper coral
there's a difference between QoL helping out and QoL removing gameplay aspects
eternal escarp
i build, and i can tell yah, theres ways to build corruption on crim worlds, its litterly just called using a diff world for a second
yeah exactly
why remove the sole purpose of 2 diffrent evils
crude geode
Boss summons being sold are completely different from removing the point of 2 different evils.
fossil finch
funnily enough i see the islands as "i can choose whatever and i won't get something worse than the other side"
Vanilla has that problem, there's no choice either since corruption is plain worse
i'm not against it's removal, tho
ik there's way better way to do that
eternal escarp
thing is, terraria is made so you can litterly use more then 1 world
fossil finch
Like both evils itself
eternal escarp
alot of terrarias stuff are restricted, finite ect
im sure all of these issues are litterly solved with making 1 more world of the diffrent type
or hell
real steppe
Welcome to the QoL rabbithole
eternal escarp
get another mod that gives you these evils, imo it really shouldnt be a calamity feature other then maybe the chest, since they have upgrades
crude geode
@cobalt pewter you should prolly use what Demik said in your suggestion
crude geode
I really don’t think this suggestion is going to go to dev, if I’m being realistic
cobalt pewter
Remove evil islands.
Evil islands of opposite world evil that spawn in the top corner of the world is a substantial issue in evil world playability (or a lack thereof) in Calamity. This gives a grossly cheap access to both evils in a single world, which invalidates the actual function of the game giving you a choice in the first place. Furthermore, a load of other QoL mods can give way to both evils instead of having Calamity diminishing the value in replayability of world evils. Removing these islands would make choosing world evils actually worth a damn.
How dis
eternal escarp
its sad, we all know it wouldnt
because muh quality of leef
that litterly destroyes a decently sized part of terraria
crude geode
Yep
sudden mural
I think thomas has a google doc dedicated entirely to this subject
dry latch
you still have the choice of not using them tho?
eternal escarp
yeah, it was posted
my man
its litterly destroying the games main point of evil biomes
even if we can not use them
i really dont think it should stay anyway
crude geode
Choices should matter.
eternal escarp
^
fossil finch
people are lazy enough to not use more than what world ig
and as i said above, they fear the outcome where choosing one biome is just always plain better so there's no reason to choose the other even if calamity already solved the ichor>cursed flames thing
eternal escarp
and agian
theres a mod to give you both evils, why does it have to be a calamity feature?
sleek girder
exactly
spiral marsh
true
dry latch
already answered that above
crude geode
You choose one evil biome, but then calamity is like “nono, here is the other one on a silver platter”
fossil finch
calamity is in it's own mod void it needs to feature every qol ever made by humanity
dry latch
when I mentioned boss healthbar and alchemist npc
smoky wigeon
That mod does it better because you have to worry about that spreading and you also get underground
sleek girder
and you can buy things from the crimson biome such as bloody worm scarf from dryad
sudden mural
what's the point of a choice if I have to handicap myself just to make it mean anything
sleek girder
convert cursed flames into ichor and vice versa
pine star
calamity is in it's own mod void it needs to feature every qol ever made by huma...
That said, AlchNPC does deserve to die
crude geode
what's the point of a choice if I have to handicap myself just to make it mean a...
^^^^
eternal escarp
when I mentioned boss healthbar and alchemist npc
those change nothing about the game
poitons are very small
spiral marsh
yeah i've used lite since i found out about it
eternal escarp
and boss healthbars are litterly not game changing at all
having litterly no purpose to choosing a biome, destroyes a big part of the game
fossil finch
and you can disable calamity's own bar which is better imo if you want
dry latch
exactly, make it a config
fossil finch
it's ugly as hell for terraria but it's better in terms of info
smoky wigeon
The calamity bar sucks though
dry latch
don't forcibly remove something that some people actually do use
eternal escarp
a mod for it exists already, why does it have to be a calamity feature?
smoky wigeon
^^^^^
crude geode
don't forcibly remove something that some people actually do use
Heart Rapier
dry latch
I mean I don't even use it myself, but let some people do
devs chose that
I'm still against that but nothing I can do about it
dry latch
it's against the rules
fossil finch
~~Heart Rapier~~
ah, yes, rapier sword
The number one used feature everyone missed
crude geode
Readding removed content is a don’t
dry latch
^
fossil finch
as i said, i'm not against it, but terraria does not help with making the choice something that matters when one is better than the other
dry latch
my point is: why remove something that's not hurting anyone
eternal escarp
because it does hurt
crude geode
because it’s bad for design?
eternal escarp
it hurts the design of the game
half kayak
because [_]
dry latch
does it hurt the players tho?
eternal escarp
yeah it does, because it makes the whole purpose of choosing not matter
whats the point of making the player choose, if you throw it out the window
fossil finch
i repeat myself the game already hurt itself enough reason the evil island even exists
dry latch
I can argue that nothing in life matters, but this is not the place for it
eternal escarp
by that logic then you should care anyways
crude geode
Sometimes, the players don’t matter in design.
eternal escarp
so, doesnt help
fossil finch
whats the point of making the player choose, if you throw it out the window
Vanilla making crimson plain better for no reason throwing out of the window a reason to choose
eternal escarp
do you like loosing your coins on death?
dry latch
players are the ones who will vote tho
cobalt pewter
SSV rework was a good example
They shit on it just because they lose the bland Razorblade copy
pine star
do you like loosing your coins on death?
Gold Armor rework depends on it
eternal escarp
~~Vanilla making crimson plain better for no reason throwing out of the window a...
yeah, but vanilla is stupid
theres alot of features im sure you dont like but will stay because its game design
dry latch
do you like loosing your coins on death?
that's like asking if you like dying
eternal escarp
the players dont always matter, sometimes the actual game does
dry latch
death doesn't even mean anything in this game
fossil finch
~~yeah, but vanilla is stupid~~
i'm just saying that the problem is born from vanilla, the reason people want evil islands is because they can have something better without needing to actually choose, making the random option usable
eternal escarp
death doesn't even mean anything in this game
that was just an example anyways,
hallow kraken
what if you just don’t mix content mods
crude geode
@kindred creek ^
eternal escarp
^
cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
mixing content mods is your fault
cobalt pewter
Wtf combining content mods
fossil finch
oh god this is really a :gone: moment
crude geode
@radiant meadow kill
eternal escarp
thanks brav
hallow kraken
radiant meadow
[Break]
tawny garden
Exists for that exact purpose
dry latch
that was just an example anyways,
but that's not something the devs deliberately added tho?
crude geode
(apologies)
manic gale
whats the point of making the player choose, if you throw it out the window
dont throw it out the window
easy
dont use the island
nobody is stopping you
spiral marsh
wait so are you guys saying that giving the player access to both evils easily is bad?
zenith hazel
7 ❗in there and somehow they're all mine
crude geode
what's the point of a choice if I have to handicap myself just to make it mean a...
^^^
zenith hazel
what is today
spiral marsh
vanilla made that even easier
manic gale
wait so are you guys saying that giving the player access to both evils easily i...
yes
eternal escarp
dont throw it out the window
that doesnt mean it doesnt destroy the game design
pine star
nobody is stopping you
That's like "Don't like don't read"
cobalt pewter
what is today
fossil finch
actually make the choice matter by making an evil not being plain better would help people to get convinced islands need to be removed
eternal escarp
why destroy the ALMOST ONLY PURPOSE OF 2 DIFFRENT BIOMES
spiral marsh
the dryad is fairly simple to get
tepid root
lots of exclamation marks today huh
spiral marsh
it's very very easy to get both evils in vanilla
manic gale
that doesnt mean it doesnt destroy the game design
and this is where your guys's expectations become too much
crude geode
wait so are you guys saying that giving the player access to both evils easily i...
Vanilla did it because of the monster journal thing and it needing to give you access to them on both worlds. It’s still a pain to do tho
spiral marsh
ok but they still did it
manic gale
it is not the dev's job to fix vanilla nor are they obligated to stay with its structure
eternal escarp
the thing is
manic gale
for the sake of your ideas
you are saying they should take the time to remove something the majority of the community wants
to please a few people who could just not use it
eternal escarp
it was fine before (kinda), adding those islands ruined the point
dry latch
wrong argument lad
manic gale
HOW ABOUT YOU DONT USE THE ISLANDS
eternal escarp
and agian
manic gale
oh
eternal escarp
theres a mod for it
dry latch
were in suggestions-discussions for a reason
tawny garden
This argument isn't going anywhere
crude geode
^
manic gale
what you are saying is
eternal escarp
why does it have to be a calamity feature, if a mod exists
eternal escarp
thats not what im saying at all
manic gale
because it doesnt change the outcome
tawny garden
Nobody will convince each other of anything
dry latch
I just want you to make it a config option and somehow it lead to this 
dapper coral
this is going in circles
cobalt pewter
There can be better approaches to world evil (e.g. balancing their content while making both unique)
fossil finch
~~actually make the choice matter by making an evil not being plain better would...
i repeat.
Give "average calamity player" a reason to dislike the islands and they will be gone
what i mean is: buff fucking corruption so crimson is not plain better, and make boc not joke like 1.3 but also not lol llike 1.4
manic gale
config is also a good solution
eternal escarp
yeah true
dapper coral
every argument has already been made
cobalt pewter
But evil island ain't it.
dapper coral
vote for it or don't
eternal escarp
ill just stop tbh, sorry
dapper coral
and leave this convo alone
smoky wigeon
every argument has already been made
^
tawny garden
ty Demik
crude geode
^
cobalt pewter
Had to leave for scoog nohit because it was getting depressing
And I somehow got the nohit
crude geode
lul
dry latch
I just want you to make it a config option and somehow it lead to this <:SAD:664...
at least this pls? so I can vote for it lol
eternal escarp
i mean, you can suggest that aswell afaik
crude geode
nobody has to change their suggestion for you
manic gale
yeah
actually
config is probably the best solution
like
it leaves both sides happy
tawny garden
It's a separate sugg, though it addresses a similar problem
spiral marsh
seems like a fair comprimise- the people who don't want it will disable it and the people who are fine with it staying just won't disable it in the config
manic gale
the people who are fine with it will keep it
dry latch
yes and it actually has a chance of getting voted on, which is a good thing for the sugg
manic gale
and the people who aren't get a small island with a chest and some ore removed from their sky
tawny garden
I think it should be posted a bit later tho
dry latch
^
manic gale
and with the low amount of code i know
tawny garden
i do not know how much work it takes to make worldgen a config
a lot
dry latch
no point in having the same sugg back to back
manic gale
it seems like a pretty fucking hard task
eternal escarp
quite alot alot
manic gale
for something that can just be ignored
tawny garden
You will have to do a lot of checks
tawny garden
crude geode
You arguing for someone to change their suggestion based on your own opinion isn’t going to happen. Leave the sugg alone.
pine star
8 abyss suggs momentum
dry latch
I still remember that day everyone made luxor's gift suggs for some reason
manic gale
You arguing for someone to change their suggestion based on your own opinion isn...
you are the one continuing the argument with this message
but ok
i will stop
sleek girder
have people been arguing this since the sugg was created?
dry latch
You arguing for someone to change their suggestion based on your own opinion isn...
isn't that the point of this channel tho?
sleek girder
its been like an hour
eternal escarp
not exactly
sleek girder
^
cobalt pewter
Time to
crude geode
Ty Demik
pine star
@kindred creek Clown Car Deus was painful and annoying
heady storm
Specifically a don’t.
frozen hornet
Clown car deus
crude geode
@kindred creek read the don’ts please
heady storm
(Cannot request the return of previous features etc..)
kindred creek
real steppe
The Deus immunity issue is still a thing?
crude geode
Yep
real steppe
I saw someone create a suggestion about that maybe 4 times now since Rust and Dust
So that's surprising
crude geode
Deus Split Worms shouldn’t even have invincibility, they’re not even coiled when they spawn (I think. That or they uncoil incredibly fast.)
pine star
Go to #bugs-read-pins for that
dry latch
okay, lemme preface what I'm about to ask is not borne out of spite or desire to reignite that previous discussion but of honest curiosity because of how similar it is:
what do you guys say to removing the planetoids? or at least most of the stuff in them (alternate metals, gems, crystals)? it basically allows players to jumpstart themselves preboss and ignore the exploration aspect associated with it
I'm asking it here first just in case mods might want me to not discuss this now
cobalt pewter
That's another issue of accelerating early game yes
pine star
ThomasthePencil made a sugg about reducing the amount of stuff in them
eternal escarp
sleek girder
thats a great idea
dry latch
why hasn't that sugg that allows everyone to react on messages not approved yet
eternal escarp
byeah it was suggested and not passed sadly
eternal escarp
~~why hasn't that sugg that allows everyone to react on messages not approved ye...
theres a moderation reason
you cant log reactions and emotes like that
someone can just post whatever, and unreact
dry latch
no like it already got checkmarks
zenith hazel
because we're still voting on it
eternal escarp
oh, that
dry latch
oh right it's the green one. forgot that it needs the blue one
zenith hazel
that's not how the blue one works
dry latch
no wait it's not blue either
yeah am getting them mixed up
haven't been back here for a while lol
tawny garden
Pins
dry latch
yes I know where they are explained, I read them 2 years ago, I just got them mixed up
civic notch
Guys DAE rage bad
I would much rather go out and build my own artificial world evil than have to load up a new world
It requires more effort but is still more enjoyable for the sake of convenience and worldbuilding
dry latch
do you have the infinite potion buff thing
they aren't that annoying unless you have them on you all the time
sleek girder
i do for candance, not for tesla
but i figured if theres one for cadance, there should be for tesla
tawny garden
cadance*
manic gale
planetoids are very good in multiplayer when they have heart crystals
but like
they do give too much of the metals earlygame
dry latch
yeah but people won't vote for it anyway
re: potion visuals
you can mention the invis buffs too. tho the previous suggs never did make it to 200
dry latch
you could always just spam campfires at night
manic gale
yeah but having some campfires already there is nice
spiral marsh
i always put campfires across my world even though i dont really play death mode
they're so easy to make and at least a bit helpful for a variable portion of the game
hot zephyr
@worn jungle Install better multiplayer if you want better multiplayer balancing
hollow shell
The capitalization is giving me agita
pine star
what is agita?
worn jungle
Bad at Grammer
craggy stratus
what is agita?
stress
dapper violet
pine star
oh
unreal viper
I feel like his sugg is fair, you might wanna leave out any specific ideas for changes tho.
tawny garden
The capitalization is giving me agita
oh fuck
you're not the only one
@civic pond
civic pond
tawny garden
thank you
pine star
They didn't even spell among us properly
radiant meadow
The reason Acidwood doesn't have furniture or tiles is simply because it isn't sprited.
It's not like lore related or anything.
(so you can probably remove the line about it being "toxic" or whatever)
lunar sky
I know I was just saying that just in case
raw grove
Has there been a suggestion about a craftable pulse bow?
lunar sky
Not that I know of
If I wasn’t terrible at spriting I would try to contribute but
I’m not good
raw grove
lol
hollow shell
Uhh
I don't know if it was officially planned or not
Like we don't have devs currently spriting it
wooden wedge
i just took what ben said as it being planned to exist sometime in the future
hollow shell
. _.
tawny garden
The capitalisation on each word is still killing me
tawny garden
Yeah, I do remember it
hollow shell
The sugg that passed is 4 months more recent
and got approved by devs
Should we resurrect
tawny garden
Why not
tawny garden
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/7409798541237...
222, 2, 2
lunar sky
Maybe? I dunno
hollow shell
Make Acidwood more like other woods.
I like acidwood, but i think it’s a tad strange that it can’t be made into furniture/wooden tools or placed down. I understand that it’s toxic and everything, the animation when you chop it down is amazing, but I think it would be really nice if you could use it like the other woods.
Got it
lunar sky
Yeah
Honestly if it just became placeable I think that would be rad
Has someone asked for there to be like a plagued minibiome yet, I think that would be really neat
wooden wedge
that's a dont
hollow shell
Yeah that's an old one
lunar sky
Like a plagued beehive or something
hollow shell
So old and so common that we put it in the Don'ts doc
tawny garden
Tbh Acidwood not being included in Any Wood is weird
except Dynasty Wood isn't there either
tawny garden
huh
ok I'm dumb
hollow shell
(tbf, it wasn't included 2 months ago when this sugg was made #suggestions-voting message )
lunar sky
Well a lot of people have had the same ideas and me and
lunar sky
I actually don’t know how I feel about that
radiant meadow
well, prob the hotfix after AR
When that sugg was made
I said it was part of the recipe group
I said it in here
I said it when it was delivered in dev
I asked in the cdmp for triple confirmation
I don't understand
how people miss it
hollow shell
Mhm, you are indeed right
I got an old source and it's part of the recipe group
Same code as current
tawny garden
How did that sugg go through then
tawny garden
pff
zenith hazel
bot's down again, notified amber
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message
This sugg is essentially asking to turn rev 30% DoG to death 30% DoG
hollow shell
15% but, yes
manic gale
so basically its saying to make dog harder
wait
but doesn't death dog instakill all the time
wait no thats his head only
ashen warren
Could summon items resummon the summon when used?
hollow shell
I'm not sure I know what's being asked
ashen warren
dang
ashen warren
I'm not sure I know what's being asked
Early game squirrel summon kept being locked in weird places and I had to lose enough time to click the top-left icon and using the summon staff again, time long enough for most monsters kill me
hollow shell
I see
ashen warren
had to switch to slime staff as fast as I could
and even then the thing only re-summons one slime
so if I had multiple summons, I'd be locked to 1 summon (tho it's vanilla shenanigans)
or maybe it was because the second slime was from the Calamity Wulfrum armor
kindred cosmos
Is Kelvins catalyst any good? (rogue)
hollow shell
Ask in #help-advice-read-pins Mikey
Yeah the summon function/bug sounds pretty familiar now
jovial spire
They're both on the same tier, though
I mean a direct upgrade mostly beign on the same tier is a problem sniepr scope already has with Destroyer Emblem
And, in it's current state, Sniper Scope is already arguably better than Artemis Emblem
So not only would it be an upgrade on the same tier, but essentially a possible downgrade on the same tier
eternal escarp
i mean, wouldnt it make the later upgrades less of a quiver and more of an all in one?
and yeah tbh, having the same upgrade on the same tier is prty wierd most of the time
grim tusk
Ranger emblem is arguably better than artemis cuz it gives 3% more dmg
Also scope dies post-DoG (and gets absorbed by quiver) while Destroyer emblem works for other classes and is a decent accessory for the entire game
Arguably better than Amalgam and HotE for dmg
unless you have 100% crit which is easy to reach with ranger and rogue
or you’re summoner
tacit phoenix
i.e not mage or melee
grim tusk
Melee has way better accesories but yea
tacit phoenix
true
grim tusk
Mage is the class that benefits the most from emblem lategame
tacit phoenix
fair point
grim tusk
VV hits fucking hard with 100% crit
tacit phoenix
i mean doesnt everything
grim tusk
Well yes
tacit phoenix
I do get what you are saying, though
heady storm
Suggestion bot is alive again apparently.
hot zephyr
It was me, all along!
frozen storm
lunar sky
We are a creative bunch I guess
What if they added Auric weapons
Like with Cosmilite
cobalt pewter
????
lunar sky
Since they’re gonna move exo weapons to post-draedon
Maybe they could add weapons that are just made with auric tesla bars and Yharon souls or something
zenith hazel
what does cosmilite have to do with anything?
lunar sky
Well with cosmolite you can just make weapons out of it and seasonal energy
Like the cleansing blaze or executioner blade
zenith hazel
ok, then what does this have to do with suggestions?
lunar sky
Since they’re planning to make the exo weapons post Draedon maybe they could do something like that with auric tesla bars
I’m seeing if this is a good idea before I post it alright I’m not good at explaining things
zenith hazel
you can’t suggest something like that because that’ll be either future content or a specific item sugg
lunar sky
Alright
I was just making sure before I make a fool of myself which seems like I already have
cobalt pewter
Technically no, but a similar sugg (exo spear) got denied
As long as you don't go into specifics
to be fair melee has too much by now byeah
earnest cape
add more rogue weapons 
cold cosmos
Rogue doesn’t need more weapons pal
cobalt pewter
What
dreamy drift
plus you gotta give a good reason
cobalt pewter
This
Rogue has 160 weapons throughout progression yet some of the already defined classes (ranged and melee) got added more by cal
And let's not talk about summon
novel belfry
Imma have to go sleep, so uhh, apologies for not really responding for the inevitable(?) discussion of my suggestion
(Also I’m on mobile)
cobalt pewter
@worn jungle your sugg might be too specific on the lower half
tawny gyro
can i suggest changing a weapon's type?
specifically to have the Executioner's Blade be considered a Dagger code-wise and not as an Other?
sleek hornet
but 'looks like dagger' is kinda subjective
or, maybe you have more reason other than 'looks like dagger'?
tawny garden
<@602707922127945739> your sugg might be too specific on the lower half
I don't think so
we shouldn't outright disallow every number in a sugg
especially those that are just an example
cobalt pewter
Hmm
grim tusk
Rogue doesn’t need more weapons pal
Rogue does need more weapons lul, every class (specially rogue and summoner) (except melee) need more weapons specially post-Yharon now with draedon being added.
Magic i feel it needs more on pre-hardmode, and early hm
Summoner needs a crap ton of weapons everywhere
cobalt pewter
Melee needs less weapons indeed
tawny garden
just fucking
make all variant weapons rogue, instead of some becoming melee and some becoming rogue
cobalt pewter
You'll anger the melee players
And they're superior in amount, just like their weapons
tawny garden
You'll anger the melee players
fuck 'em
pine star
Personally, I'm fine with FPH and higher being melee
Though why Empyrean/Illustrious Knives are melee, I do not know
eternal escarp
i think because of vampiric knives?
frail mantle
yea i assumed it was because of vampire knives and that the same logic carried over to FPH line and Scourge of the Cosmos
tawny garden
ah
pine star
oh
cobalt pewter
Minions don't naturally attack cysts iirc
But maybe the clump just passed by them and dealt good dmg?
Since the clump does move around
crude geode
Minions do not naturally attack cysts.
@rugged belfry If it’s fungal clump specifically causing a problem, just use another summon instead. But check again just to be sure.
rugged belfry
Nope, the clump was definitely going straight for the cyst
There was no other enemies near it
cobalt pewter
A footage would help
lunar sky
God dammit I just noticed that I misspelled “feel” in one of my suggestions
rugged belfry
rip
okay idk whats going on but my recording software decided it doesnt like terraria and wont detect that im playing it
ooh my old suggestion has been planned for implementation
tahts pretty cool
lunar sky
Noice
proper grail
ooh my old suggestion has been planned for implementation
Which one?
Ah, Living Loom crafting
unreal star
loom
radiant meadow
actually I already did that like a month ago. reaction should prob be updated
tawny garden
how is this related to suggs?
rugged belfry
It's about a suggestion...
devout seal
it's not out yet
terse sundial
@pliant dome Rogue and Melee variants were moved to either one class or the other for next update
crude geode
^
terse sundial
(also read suggestion don'ts doc in the pins)
proper grail
you mean the living loom, i assume
Typo, lol
crude geode
@rain basalt wait for the next update to suggest buffs
rain basalt
<@717049052273049670> wait for the next update to suggest buffs
sorry
tawny garden
also it is specific
tawny garden
cool
rain basalt
is it that bad to be specific
zenith hazel
yes, it's the devs' decision at the end of the day
rain basalt
kay
crude geode
@zenith hazel Apologies for the ping, but the original post of the most recent sugg in voting was both approved and denied, which is bizarre.
zenith hazel
which one?
crude geode
Pulse Bow
tawny garden
that's because one part of it was approved and another part was denied
zenith hazel
the enemy drop was denied
tawny garden
there are several instances of that
zenith hazel
because that makes no sense
crude geode
Indeed
dry lance
ew no
lunar sky
Fair enough
I guess
What do you mean?
Ooh okay
Yeah that could be interesting I guess
I wasn’t talking about it spreading to you btw, just nearby enemies
final rock
Give adult eidolon wyrm a pet
The idea of this miniboss is to be the dungeon guardian of the abyss(preventing RoD usage), and since the vanilla dungeon guardian have a pet called "bone key" that drops when you kill it, why not give the abyss guardian a pet as well? That would make the idea of killing this thing more tempting and entertaining than just getting end game loot early
@warm scarab no
warm scarab
hm?
lunar sky
They already have that in the Calamity Vanities mod, no?
rugged belfry
Calamities
hollow idol
addons/other mods shouldnt stop calamity main from adding content
rugged belfry
yuh
novel belfry
> Give adult eidolon wyrm a pet
>
> The idea of this miniboss is to be the dung...
it's literally a Don't on the Suggestions "Don'ts" lists
I do agree with YuH on addons preventing Main Calamity from adding content
lunar sky
Yeah same here tbh
whole sedge
Yeah this is literally a don't @warm scarab
warm scarab
Yeah this is literally a don't <@!734682139202682881>
oh nice
at least a mod did that
dreamy drift
@ashen warren would be semi-cool but the things like smell or feel are unnecessary
dreamy drift
i guess so
ashen warren
Like how hellstone has "it feels warm to the touch"
eternal escarp
i mean
it could be nice
i dont really know if this falls into the "itd be cool" part
dreamy drift
but devs probably have more priority items to take care of than a little QoL thing
eternal escarp
yeah exactly
this suggestion is pretty borderline on "itd be cool"
which is a dont
dreamy drift
makes using gear feel more substantial.
thats a doubt from me, pretty sure most players use armor based on stats rather than its description
ashen warren
That's true but I find myself enjoying items more with descriptions
Plus it adds lore integration
And more ambiance
eternal escarp
yeah but like
its not a strong enough reason, atleast i dont think it is myself, so idk tbh
i mean otherwise the sugg is prolly valid
hollow shell
I'm fine with this sugg
He's asking for flavor text to flesh out the item's and its set's identity a bit more
"ties the player into the world"
Not the most extensive reason but this sugg isn't a very big ask anyway
dreamy drift
ye
eternal escarp
alrighty then
i mean ill be honest id prolly vote for that, i like small detail lol
dreamy drift
small details can be nice if done correctly
hollow shell
mhm
eternal escarp
terraria is full of great small detail
but some bigger ones are 
hollow shell
I myself made a suggestion about having some more lore-themed tooltips
to put more lore and flavor into the game
so you can tell I care about this kind of thing
ashen warren
Yeah I see that
eternal escarp
oh thats nice
dreamy drift
oh very nice
eternal escarp
i mean iirc most draedon arsenal weapons have this, so its happening as the mod goes too, which is pretty cool tbh
ashen warren
I just see that it gets people thinking about it and items that "feel cool" are simply more rewarding and used
eternal escarp
yeah thats fair tbh
ashen warren
And this isn't a very big change and just ties everything back into the game
eternal escarp
just putting an item without any tooltip makes it feel bland sometimes, making tooltips can change an item
unless the item itself is prty hard to get, byeah
ashen warren
Yeah exactly
Like the scoria bars just look so cool with scoria and all
You genuinely feel like you're using deep sea hydrothermic vent rocks when you use that
crude geode
@earnest raptor You can probably word your suggestion a tad less aggressively.
Cosmic Guardians aren’t the only pointless meat shields afterall.
earnest raptor
still moss
tawny garden
read the doc in the pins
eternal escarp
yeah i think someone should prolly mark that, doesnt seem like they are gonna do smthn
tawny garden
@swift wadi ❗ this
sleek hornet
can i suggest something that is really minor? like really
sleek hornet
Some Summon weapon have buff tooltip like A skeleton is observing you (Staff of Necrosteocytes) and A cute forest spirit is following you for belladona spirit staff, it wont be true anymore if you have more than 1 summons right?
but it can still be like that with Cinder blossom staff, which you can only have one of them
eternal escarp
i mean, seems fine i think, since its prolly possible to code like the nebula boost buffs maybe?
id say suggest it
cant see much trouble with it
sleek hornet
should i change something 
distant gyro
dynamically changing buff tooltips is out of possibility for now
otherwise it would've already been done (see rage and adrenaline)
"but what about nebula boost?"
- that's actually 3 of each buff
sleek hornet
"but what about nebula boost?"
- that's actually 3 of each buff
maybe you mean "that's actually 3 different buffs"?
distant gyro
3 of each just means 3 x 3 = 9
3 different buffs implies nothing, it's already 3 booster types
sleek hornet
So, then what is a good alternative solution for that minor issue?
swift wharf
sleek hornet
3 different buffs implies nothing, it's already 3 booster types <:HDfailure:4822...
ah, forgot about that
distant gyro
keep it
sleek hornet
or alternatively just change it to The skeleton is observing you?
or The cute forest spirit is following you
Most summon does that, im not sure why these one are different
marble hazel
eternal escarp
"but what about nebula boost?"
- that's actually 3 of each buff
oh really? i actually didnt know this, sorry lol
i always thought it was the same buff that kept changing
sleek hornet
there, they have different ids
oh wait, @distant gyro how about mana sickness? is it depends on the duration left?
eternal escarp
i think its just that its a formula in the buff, but not sure tbh
sleek hornet
The percentage of damage reduction begins at 25% (when the debuff is at 5 seconds of duration) and is gradually reduced by 1% over the course of every fifth of a second, wearing off entirely once the damage reduction reaches 0%. yeah, based on the duration
distant gyro
wouldn't be surprised if that works like normal
it doesn't call an outside variable
dapper coral
thinkin of reposting this sugg #suggestions-voting message
any supreme issues with reposting as is?
cobalt pewter
Don't think so
tawny garden
holy crap, it only got 75 stars
cobalt pewter
Players got angy when something good yet easy to get are taken away from them
See: Frog Leg sugg
Oh also evil islands
dapper coral
holy crap, it only got 75 stars
yeah it was unfortunate
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
smh
craggy stratus
Players got angy when something good yet easy to get are taken away from them
unfortunate
crystal iron
Isn't the aero stone a bit useless in hardmode tho, this might be subjective but I never noticed a difference with or without aero stone, not even in pre hardmode
dapper coral
that is why i said a buff may be necessary
even in prehm aero stone is the smallest difference
crystal iron
Oh I didn't notice the buff part in ur sugg
whole sedge
Most of the hote materials are minor really
tawny garden
all*
manic gale
do people actually use aero stone?
crude geode
yes
manic gale
its basically just an ingredient
crude geode
Same reason people use frog leg
manic gale
isnt frog leg a lot better though
crude geode
It is, but also you have to go fishing for frog leg any mobility is good pre-hm
manic gale
frog leg is very common to fish up
crude geode
mhm
Aero stone is also gotten by just. killing a boss you already naturally farm for money, so it's less out of the way than frog leg. But both are useful for their boosts.
unreal viper
(Frog leg is also craftable in calamity)
fossil finch
ah, yes
Yet Another HotE buff sugg
honestly i do want the material buff they are just so lame
tawny garden
all accessories that craft into HotE are material bloat
totally uncontroversial statement
unreal viper
ran sans
tawny garden
[[Heart of the Elements]]
red stormBOT
rugged belfry
Yeah
cobalt pewter
I hate the Slime delivery method but this one can work prolly
ruby star
I believe bloodworms spawning at any time during post-ml is allready in changelogs
radiant meadow
smh not researching
safe oasis
also polter is sequence breakable as well so its not like you need to kill provi before doing duke
unreal viper
you are right ben
this actually improves the sugg by shortening it, and is a good change
hollow shell
Controvertial suggestion title.
unreal viper
lol
hollow shell
"1: Duke fishron can be fought at any time in hardmode. This is because of the intensity but shortness of his fight."
Missed a spot
(unless that's actually supposed to be worded like that?)
ruby star
to be fair every hardmode boss can be fought at any time in hardmode except for PBG and ML
hollow shell
btw, it would be helpful to include nearby postML boss HP for reference, considering you included PBG's HP for reference to Fishron
hollow shell
Indeed
hot zephyr
I think the changes to 1.5's power curve flattening is going to definitely give Old Duke more of a niche because the power jumps won't be so high.
You'll be able to actually stand a chance against OD a lot earlier on in progression
unreal viper
They probably will help, but I do think he needs some special changes.
crude geode
I'm not even sure if his hp got nerfed.
unreal viper
Not yet.
hot zephyr
OD hasn't been touched yet because testing hasn't gotten that far
crude geode
understandable
hot zephyr
(Also it'd make no sense not to nerf OD's health seeing as literally everything else is getting flattened.)
The power flattening is going to be great just because it'll be easier to progression skip
dapper coral
twould be silly indeed
crude geode
also means the jump from ML to Provi is less insane, hopefully.
hot zephyr
You won't be shoehorned into the same progression nearly as hard as pre 1.5
hot zephyr
ye, it'll not be nearly as big. iirc getting 6k DPS against Providence will be considered high.
pine star
also means the jump from ML to Provi is less insane, hopefully.
iirc you will be able to use Terratomere against Provi and not be considered insane
crude geode
Old Duke is really just...bad in my opinion. Sure his weapons are strong, but his fight is just very unintuitive if you don't check the wiki first. I realize the player is expected to check the wiki, but Old Duke's fight takes it to an extreme amount.
unreal viper
ye, it'll not be nearly as big. iirc getting 6k DPS against Providence will be c...
Tbh, this sounds like a bit of an exxageration. The nerfs are 25% currently, and i believe average provi dps is 10k? currently.
hot zephyr
Old Duke is really just...bad in my opinion. Sure his weapons are strong, but hi...
This is nearly every post-ML fight. They are like this due to the complexity of their mechanics
hollow shell
(Give OD a particle aiming trail for every one of his dashes so you can see the predictiveness of the dash in effect)
hot zephyr
For example, Polter's arena-check, and the behavior of Yharon's infernadoes.
unreal viper
You mean the borders or the normal ones?
hot zephyr
Borders
unreal viper
You find out pretty quick.
crude geode
^
unreal viper
Polter arena thing, yeah it is very uninttuivative and annoying.
hot zephyr
Eh, you'd be surprised
There's a thousand small mechanics Terraria and Calamity never explain that you'll need the wiki for.
crude geode
Polter Arena is dumb
Compared to the tired mechanic, and his dashes being predictive, Yharon's border infernadoes are pretty simple to understand. It's hard to react to and adapt to the predictive dashes, and the game gives very little indication of the tired mechanic.
hollow shell
It's not totally necessary to know about the tired mechanic considering you're going to be shooting at him 95% of the time anyway
crude geode
(could be easily drowned out by the sounds of any weapon, or the music)
Tooth Balls are probably one of the more annoying parts of the fight to me, as there's literally no counterplay to it. Aureus Spawns? Guide them into blocks or outrun them, or dash into them. Other Minions? Murder, which is simple but what you expect. Tooth Balls might as well be projectiles with how they work.
hollow shell
@rugged belfry Prolly wanna say you specifically mean the jump, in your top bolded line.
Cuz Statigel armor has other stuff in its set bonus, like i-frames
rugged belfry
made sure to underline it as well
hot zephyr
(Does BoB work on mounts?)
summer sentinel
Me neither, neat
hollow shell
(I never use BoB so I didn't know either )
hot zephyr
(Rover why 
)
hollow shell
(too much effort)
hot zephyr
Yeah if BoB works, I don't see why statigel's bonus shouldn't also work
hot zephyr
(Pre-hm wings are stinky)
hollow shell
I blame tMod's crusty code when attempting to program a new jump
Apparently Ben had trouble with it
hot zephyr
Tmod's crusty code is a reoccurring trend 
summer sentinel
welcome to the crusty code, may I take your order?
hollow shell
heh
rugged belfry
I don't trust your heh
hollow shell
<_<
radiant meadow
@rugged belfry That is a bug that should be fixed next update.
The jump is supposed to work with most mounts such as slimy saddle and not work with mounts like minecarts and brimrose.
but I flipped the boolean so the mount check is flawed
(as in, if you go check rn, statigel jump probably works on a minecart. It's not supposed to)
radiant meadow
I'll just go ahead and delete the suggestion since it's fixed already.
rugged belfry
Aight
crimson fern
spear calamity playthrough uwu?
crude geode
iirc an auric spear was rejected
crude geode
melee already has way too fucking many weapons?
zenith hazel
...yes
crimson fern
is it that powerful enough..?
zenith hazel
is that a problem
summer sentinel
sadly yes, the auric spear was rejected due to melee bloat at that tier
crimson fern
well its not my fault they have like 4 FREAKING SWORDS
whole sedge
melee bloat in general really
cobalt pewter
The mod isn't supposed to cater to subclass / challenge runs ye
crimson fern
aww
cobalt pewter
Also fuck melee tbh, it has too much shit already.
crude geode
^
crimson fern
well it looks like my post will get rejected anyways but at least i worded it correctly..
cobalt pewter
Or rather
zenith hazel
improve your reasoning
cobalt pewter
Fuck Melee™
zenith hazel
remove the subclass part
dry latch
remove the variant part too
crimson fern
i really wish there wasnt 10000000000000000 swords and like none of any other melee weapon lol
rugged belfry
Spear class when
crimson fern
why should i remove the scarlet devil variant?
dry latch
cuz variants are dying
rugged belfry
Terraria except you play as a Hoplite
hollow shell
"if your only doing melee spears"
crude geode
Variants are getting removed
crude geode
Also ^
crimson fern
yeah i guess rogue would have no unique post scal weapons than lol
zenith hazel
and we're not doing rogue/melee variants
and scarlet devil is a javelin, not a spear
cobalt pewter
Variants are peepeepoopoo
crimson fern
what is difference between javelin/spear ?
hollow shell
Also the sugg is a bit better but the reason could still be a lil stronger
You could bring up melee weapon variety
cobalt pewter
Too bad Fab is against removing weapons
novel belfry
(Also a melee javelin upgrades into a rogue javelin line. WHY?)
cobalt pewter
Melee needs some trimming
crimson fern
bruh what?
hollow shell
rather than kinda implying it just by saying more spears are.. needed
cobalt pewter
(Also a melee javelin upgrades into a rogue javelin line. ***WHY?***)
Because Red
hollow shell
Scourge of the Corruptor into Cosmos, I think?
dry latch
Melee needs some trimming
or you can go the other way around and give everything bloat (aka variety)
crude geode
mfw melee doesn't have enough weapon variety 
cobalt pewter
or you can go the other way around and give everything bloat (aka variety)
They probably won't, melee will have too much regardless
hollow shell
I think that Scourge of the Cosmos is going to have its rogue variant removed, making it pure melee
for consistency with Corruptor
crimson fern
hmm
hollow shell
(same with Emp Knives)
cobalt pewter
As long as donor items exist (currently only held off because of backlog overflow), melee will always have the most bloat
crude geode
remove the idea of scarlet devil getting a melee variant
crimson fern
yeah melee doesnt have enough variety, ranged and magic is too op, and everything else needs more
crude geode
it won't happen without dev permission
hollow shell
Aight that last bit on the sugg looks good
cobalt pewter
Rogue gets way less with each variant
Weapon cannot get stealth strikes, for example
novel belfry
Honestly my least favorite rogue weapon is that Stratum weapon and its Darksun upgrade
It upgrades... from a melee weapon
crimson fern
eclipse fall?
hollow shell
Ah
cobalt pewter
Night's Gaze can be a bit better, but Eclipse's Fall is gaming
hollow shell
Daybreak --> Night's Gaze --> Eclipse's Fall
novel belfry
and not just any melee weapon, the Daybreak, whose fragment its made from is themed around melee
cobalt pewter
The devs cannot change vanilla weapon damage types
hollow shell
Because there are no Hardmode throwing weapons in vanilla.
novel belfry
I know
crimson fern
daybreak is a javelin not a spear..
hollow shell
And now there are no throwing weapons in vanilla, period
We can't/won't change any vanilla weapon damage types
novel belfry
But I'm not sure why it turns from a Melee weapon into a Rogue weapon
crimson fern
why did they have to neglect throwing and then kill it
novel belfry
That's what I'm more annoyed about
cobalt pewter
Not the most relevant topic imo
hollow shell
If we added Daybreak or Corruptor, we would've made em rogue weapons
But they're vanilla
cobalt pewter
Because Red dum
crimson fern
also what about boomerangs
i think boomerangs are weird..
honestly i think a lot of weapons need to be reclassified/thought about more
hollow shell
We already have it worked out for Calamity 1.5
novel belfry
I literally made a suggestion to create melee variants for those two weapons but well... melee/rogue weapons are going out of business, so that cant be reformed anymore
crimson fern
noice
hollow shell
iirc almost all Calamity boomerangs are going to become rogue
whereas the "hammer" line will stay melee, in-line with Paladin's
novel belfry
YES!
cobalt pewter
All of the disks are becoming rogue, rover
crimson fern
also this is a broad definition, but melee weapons should stay in your hands and rogue/throwing ones are like melee weapons but they leave your hands
cobalt pewter
Also corpus and kelvin iirc
hollow shell
Yeah
cobalt pewter
also this is a broad definition, but melee weapons should stay in your hands and...
Melee is fuck all
visual wigeon
Kelvin is a disk
hollow shell
I just consider the disks and Kelvin to fall under "almost all Calamity boomerangs"
crimson fern
lol
crimson fern
yeah
at least they dont need to care about the classes anymore since they murdered throwing
and even though ranged weapons should require a body and ammunition, all throwing weapons are RANGED now
crimson fern
yeah
terraria (and its mods) really need to get their classes straight/make a definition for each class
also i literally made a whole presentation about damage types lol
novel belfry
I was thinking about projectiles on swords, as well as reworking Rage to be based on how Gael's Greatsword changes Rage...
What if we limit sword projectiles to Rage usages?
novel belfry
(But that can be solved by making Rage be allowed for ALL difficulties)
crimson fern
also i've never used gael's greatsword..
yeah true
ok but doesnt sword projectiles still makes sense for the class
its not like your throwing the sword and it magically returns back to you
cobalt pewter
A Rage rework is planned
novel belfry
This was a while ago, but didn't Terratomere just... destroy Moon Lord?
crimson fern
i remember using it with just its projectile and i got like 1000 dps
maybe im just way to specced into defensive idk
crude geode
"Add more spears because I want more melee variety"
lacking the fact that melee already has yo-yos, hammers, shortswords, flails, and others.
crude geode
@crimson fern
Weapons Added by Calamity
Melee: 244
Ranged: 184
Rogue: 160
Magic: 147
Summoner: 74
I would like you to at least address melee bloat in your suggestion. Otherwise you're ignoring that it has 60 more weapons than any other class, and 3.3 times the amount of another vanilla class.
crimson fern
true