yea ima repost but a bit shorter
#suggestions-discussion
worthy lintel
tacit phoenix
more people will see it that way
tawny garden
people don't read anything after the title
eternal escarp
i do tbh
tawny garden
(or maybe like the beginning of the reason)
eternal escarp
seems more like the average bored guy
also, i think my suggestion to make elemental crafting consistent didnt pass 
eternal escarp
lmao
rancid saddle
lmao giving yharon's different roars to indicate his attacks would suck
I'm pretty sure hes getting a rework regardless tho.
I also feel like poltar is gonna get reworked
eternal escarp
#suggestions-voting message
it died at 171, atleast Thomas's suggestion above it passed
rancid saddle
huh>
eternal escarp
oh yeah, good
hollow shell
Slight problem with that suggestion
rancid saddle
shoud skeletron prime have something indicating his rockets
hollow shell
Rocket Launcher makes the default gun sound for some god forsaken reason.
rancid saddle
I've actually never realized he has rockets 
tacit phoenix
it does indeed
tawny garden
worthy lintel
wtf
tawny garden
gg
hollow shell
The Grenade Launcher, however, makes a more unique heavy sound
eternal escarp
the Fwoomp
hollow shell
k-chUNGk
eternal escarp
oh, that chUNGk, sorey
worthy lintel
seriously, grenade launcher firing sound is asmr
eternal escarp
its prty cool yeah lmao
rancid saddle
kAthUnk kAthUnk katHunK (kNlonK kNlOnk Klonk)
crude geode
Shame it’s a bad weapon
rancid saddle
its not
eternal escarp
it kindof is
worthy lintel
its kinda bad
crude geode
Why does Calamity do more with Flamethrowers than it does with the already present rocket launchers
hollow shell
(it's so nice I used it for the Bazooka sound effect)
worthy lintel
heavy arc is ech
eternal escarp
its kinds really bad
rancid saddle
its good for the dungeon, and thats it
eternal escarp
so
worthy lintel
(it's so nice I used it for the Bazooka sound effect)
rancid saddle
if i get it from plantera I just use it for aoe
worthy lintel
play it again
tacit phoenix
is t here any other weapon that makes that sound? it sounds familiar
and i dont use the grenade launcehr
tawny garden
(it's so nice I used it for the Bazooka sound effect)
make a 10 hour loop version 
rancid saddle
blissful bombadier?
worthy lintel
plantera's gl
eternal escarp
also tbh, calamity adds a few launchers, like Magnomaly, mineral mortar, but it feels like a bit more should exist
tacit phoenix
hm
rancid saddle
but why
rancid saddle
actually if calamity has 69million flamethrowers, fuck it, 420trillion rocket launchers and 2 guns
eternal escarp
the only times lsunchers might not be viable is between polter to yharon, unless i missed smthn
worthy lintel
to be fair calamity needs more marksman weapons
rancid saddle
star cannons are launchers
eternal escarp
star cannon is a diffrent weapon entirely
crude geode
a single, meaty, non homing projectile
so more sniper rifles
tacit phoenix
so more sniper rifles
yes
worthy lintel
no, current sniper rifles post ml shoot a swarm of projectiles on hit
which is lame
eternal escarp
tyrranys end, halleys inferno kinda, shroomer maybe
worthy lintel
i want my 1 bullet
hollow shell
(Fungicide makes the Grenade Launcher sound)
eternal escarp
wait really?
crude geode
Yep
rancid saddle
GuYs WeApON SLOOWOWW SOO?????? LETS MAKE 50 PROJECTOILE HIT KATHOONK IM SO ORIGINAl lets do it for all fucking 7 of them
hollow shell
heavy duty shroom shooter
eternal escarp
it sounds so diffrent for some reason
hollow shell
you aight Bee?
eternal escarp
never noticed it till now
rancid saddle
should there be a pre scal star weapon
eternal escarp
on the topic of sounds i have a tiny question which ive wondered for a while, does the ravager summoning scream noise taken from somewhere? because i could not remember anything like it lmao
worthy lintel
wtf
crude geode
yeah it’s wacky
rancid saddle
honestly there needs to be more bee shooting weapons
crude geode
No
tacit phoenix
Do you think star cannon is an archetype that is such as the damage being extremely strong but the ammo being hard to get (or, supposed to be)
rancid saddle
Do you think star cannon is an archetype that is such as the damage being extrem...
and also being annoying as fuck to use
hollow shell
If you were familiar with Before The Forgotten Ages mod at all, you'd recognize it for bein used with the Arterius boss.
crude geode
terraria pirate version
hollow shell
Cover your ears
tacit phoenix
understandable that they didnt put that in the main game...
eternal escarp
the sound is kindof creepy, could never have assumed its terraria even
eternal escarp
cant hear on phone, only download
tacit phoenix
I could see that
crude geode
Maybe some Temple thing.
rancid saddle
probably a blood moon fucking werewolf that mauls- oh wait
eternal escarp
maybe possessed noise? although it might be too long
crude geode
Who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯
eternal escarp
yeah, we can only assume
crude geode
This is off topic now
crude geode
It’s okay god supported the off topic
eternal escarp
well main topic is basically concluded anyway, so we just eait fir a suggestion ig
hollow shell
Waitin for MrAsianMan's SCal sugg ig
tacit phoenix
sounds like a good suggestion
that i would support
Is there a specific time where the bot posts a suggestion to vote on or is it like random
eternal escarp
24 hours iirc
unless the suggestion is marked with a mark, which blocks it until its removed i think
tawny garden
if a sugg has a ❗ it's deleted in 24 hours
eternal escarp
those suggestions erte prolly around thst time yedterday
hollow shell
(24 hours after the respective sugg is posted, btw.)
eternal escarp
i hate phone jeyboard holy ahot
tacit phoenix
(24 hours after the respective sugg is posted, btw.)
Ohhhhh
tawny garden
huh, bot down
tacit phoenix
nvm
hollow shell
Uh oh
eternal escarp
oh uh
tacit phoenix
hu ho
tawny garden
@ashen warren bot died again
eternal escarp
what
hollow shell
@rancid saddle Avoid meme suggestions
eternal escarp
shadoespec, useless?
tawny garden
@rancid saddle shadowspec items are a no
crude geode
No
eternal escarp
why?
eternal escarp
^
rancid saddle
At every stage of the game theres a toilet
tawny garden
shadowspec is still a don't
crude geode
Shadowspec is specifically dev tier.
tacit phoenix
^
eternal escarp
dont think every stage has a toilet
rancid saddle
Sadly, theres not a post scal toilet
crude geode
which should be clearer really
tawny garden
so there's no point in making a reason for it
eternal escarp
the only stages are pre boss afsik
tacit phoenix
~~which should be clearer really~~
pretty sure it states that in the donts doc doesnt it?
hollow shell
All of post-ML lacks toilets except for Auric
eternal escarp
and agian its a fucking toilet
rancid saddle
the only stages are pre boss afsik
uhm
hollow shell
Auric Toilet uses chairs in its recipe.
tawny garden
pretty sure it states that in the donts doc doesnt it?
ye
eternal escarp
no, its chairs
crude geode
There’s not even a shadowspec block
tacit phoenix
you cant even sit on toilets in 1.3...
crude geode
pretty sure it states that in the donts doc doesnt it?
I meant in game
crude geode
Indeed
robust lava
shadowspec isnt useless lmao
And making a toilet for it wouldn't exactly increase its usability by a whole lot
tacit phoenix
And making a toilet for it wouldn't exactly increase its usability by a whole lo...
this
rancid saddle
And making a toilet for it wouldn't exactly increase its usability by a whole lo...
then why is there an auric toilet
eternal escarp
true lmao
eternal escarp
i mean, i dont think more the 0.0001% will unironically go "i will kill Scal for this shadowspec toilet!"
robust lava
then why is there an auric toilet
Because the devs decided to add one.
hollow shell
I am willing to have some leniency on toilet suggs
because of the fact that Calamity adds an Auric Toilet
eternal escarp
lmao
hollow shell
Shadowspec is specifically the worst area you could ask for one
hollow shell
cuz of dev item technicality
robust lava
I am willing to have some leniency on toilet suggs
Not a sentence you hear every day
eternal escarp
yeah i mean its fair, unless shadow spec
rancid saddle
just say its dedicated "to the player"
eternal escarp
no
tawny garden
wut
swift wharf
Toilets are for stuff that already has furniture
eternal escarp
tbh
hollow shell
That would be pretty funny
tawny garden
that's not how that works
eternal escarp
isnt the community that basically?
tawny garden
no
swift wharf
Idfk why auric toilet is a thing when silva or godslayer toilets could easily exist
If it has furniture then toilets are cool imo
rancid saddle
community is a dedication while shadow toilet in an insult
hollow shell
I just know that Bee is being / going to be fucked every step he takes with this sugg so I'm just tryin to soften the blow
tacit phoenix
I just know that Bee is being / going to be fucked every step he takes with this...
what a kind fellow
hollow shell
(also we already have plans for an evil Community item)
unreal viper
bye
crude geode
I don’t see the point in discussing this anymore.
swift wharf
just delete it already
eternal escarp
wait, evil?
hollow shell
It was in art server's #sprites-needed yeah
eternal escarp
huh
crude geode
is it dokuro’s revenge
hollow shell
no
tacit phoenix
inverse the colors and call it a day
crude geode
sad
unreal viper
facts
tacit phoenix
accurate community item
Too real man
crude geode
harass you constantly
unreal viper
evil community item: makes noises and spams suggs and memes
tawny garden
~~harass you constantly~~
like communism does
unreal viper
lowers all your stats
tacit phoenix
~~harass you constantly~~
call you braindead for having an opinion that doesn;t match their own
unreal viper
united forever
eternal escarp
-100% self defense and charisma
tacit phoenix
hollow shell
anyway
swift wharf
Oh how do i unequip it
unreal viper
delete the mod
hollow shell
Are you gonna edit the sugg Bee or should I just delete it
swift wharf
delete the mod
What mod
tawny garden
should prolly delete it
crude geode
Just delete it Rover
tacit phoenix
and discord
swift wharf
ech, nvm
unreal viper
the only way to defeat the community
swift wharf
Just yeet it away
tawny garden
unless Beesical suggs other toilets
hollow shell
byeah he can repost it with edits if he so desires
eternal escarp
yeah
tacit phoenix
the only way to defeat the community
is to join them
eternal escarp
as much as id love new furniture, i can just get calval tbh
crude geode
Is the evil community item planned for 1.5?
sand umbra
where there is light, there must be dark. where there is life, there must be death. where there is good, there must be evil
wherever there is an action, there must be an equal and opposite reaction
this is Newton's Third Law, or alternatively just the law of duality, and the reason for such a concept's existence as the one mentioned above
hollow shell
@sacred thorn Can you give some reasoning for why ??? should specifically be renamed?
sacred thorn
hmmm
hollow shell
(not that there aren't reasons, I just want you to add some to your sugg)
crude geode
where there is light, there must be dark. where there is life, there must be dea...
Thank you Full Metal Alchemist
sand umbra
shut the fuck
I am here at some point during AT LEAST 75% of my days, thank you very much
crude geode
ok mr. lurker
tacit phoenix
I do somewhat agree with the renaming, but I also do like the mysterious nature of the ???, like when i first played calamity and saw this, i was kinda spooked ngl. Then i killed it and uh... I think you know what happens after that. But to keep the same mysterious nature you would have to come up with a good name, not saying thats impossible though.
sand umbra
the mysterious nature stopped working when Anahita stopped being The Siren
sand umbra
(for the same reason, Siren's Call feels really out of place now, assuming it still plays)
tacit phoenix
i plaay and its siren and levi, now i come back and theres this random gal named Anahita and the levi sprite become better
crude geode
It stopped when the creator of Siren left to do his own thing
tacit phoenix
but for the record I do really like the Leviathan resprite
sand umbra
sorry about the Siren vanishing, had to test if Ceaseless Void likes seafood
(it decidedly does)
(do not ask me how I can tell. it is...an acquired skill, to say the least)
hollow shell
yeah we needed to replace the Siren for reasons
The singing does kinda make less sense lore-wise now
but
It's still pretty neat
tacit phoenix
are those the same reasons that you renamed all the things for HotE to "elementals" instead of "waifus"
crude geode
lore cringe
sand umbra
it's neat but it's really jarring
tacit phoenix
what was with that, then?
hollow shell
That was just for decency
sand umbra
given that Anahita is decidedly not a siren
tacit phoenix
fair enough
sand umbra
or a singer at all for that matter
sand umbra
(or maybe she is, we have yet to hear her voice on stage. she might be even better than the Siren and we'll never know, for the voice we hear is not hers, but that of the Siren)
hollow shell
I was about to just say "Fuck off" but that'd be pretty aggressive
but know that is my sentiment
tacit phoenix
Lmao
hollow shell
She does have music note projs and still has a weapon themed around a harp
crude geode
^^^
tawny garden
ah
crude geode
The ??? Name is at least fitting and serious, unlike Destroyer of Thots or Bumblebirb
hollow shell
(devourer)
crude geode
same thing
hollow shell
There are some reasons why it should be renamed
Like, Anahita doesn't have so much significance that she'd confuse the game in the meta sense
The NPC could be named "Mysterious Figure" or something
sand umbra
Mysterious Figure sounds good
crude geode
Ye
hollow shell
(and also the fact that it's kinda hard to talk about ??? in conversation, because of probably obvious reasons)
sand umbra
has a nice ring to it
hollow shell
@sacred thorn reminder
tawny garden
I thought that maybe the internal name would work, but its internal name is LeviathanStart
hollow shell
Indeed it is
tawny garden
🏁
sand umbra
that's LeviathanFinish you nerd
...or do they wave a checkered flag at the start of NASCAR races too. I don't remember actually
okay no it's a green flag
sand umbra
wait what there isn't a green flag emote
what a scam
tawny garden
anyway
pine star
SCAM
crude geode
🇬🇱
pine star
sand umbra
anywho back to suggs
sacred thorn
<@!226425711467036672> reminder
yeah sorry, had to leave for a sec
hollow shell
aighty
sacred thorn
done
hollow shell
That is better
Still seems a bit odd imo (why wouldn't the name be "on purpose"?)
sacred thorn
well
im not sure
but my guess would be either they forgot to rename it and overlooked it, or it's like bumble birb in which it was on purpose at first
but got changed later
cobalt pewter
Holy shit copy to clipboard was removed after I updated my MIUI
What
In any case
There's also this too
dapper coral
kil
pine star
That said, plushies are cool
Just not feasible for a long time
sand umbra
pine star
cobalt pewter
It's been almost half a year since my first sugg was approved, but nothing else
Yeah, someday pog
pine star
sand umbra
listen some day is better than no day at all
cobalt pewter
That is indeed true
crude geode
Approved is barely a promise of some day
It’s more like “yeah we like this suggestion :)”
pine star
me likey
hollow shell
Yes good sugg
tacit phoenix
i just realized that feedzuhs thing after his name means suggestion superstar
also
the calamitas dashing
i agree
100%
violet dagger
I was getting confused on why those check marks were there
I thought it was a new reaction thing
zenith hazel
bot is back up
hollow shell
Nice
zenith hazel
To avoid even more confusion regarding this suggestion's reactions:
- The 🚫 is for the "Remove Pitbulls" part
- The 👍 is for the "Add some sort of useful drop from them"
- The 🏁 is for said useful drop to have been implemented
if anyone's confused, relay that message to them
cool? cool
@hollow shell we might need to clarify somewhere that people shouldn't put 2+ suggestions like these into 1 suggestion
this is mostly to avoid confusion/ambiguity when it comes to reactions
zenith hazel
odd
hollow shell
This one was interpreted as okay because it was two solutions to one problem
zenith hazel
yeah but that's the issue, it can be considered as 2 suggestions
hollow shell
It can
whole sedge
yeah really it should've been either one or the other
zenith hazel
just split them into 2 separate messages
I really didn't see the need to jam them into 1
hollow shell
The rule exists to prevent
"Nerf the Shroomer, it deals too much DPS against Moon Lord.
Hey, it would also be cool if you added a non-consumable version of Arid Artifact."
kinds of suggestions
because we get those sometimes from new people who don't understand the sugg system
zenith hazel
yea, but we shouldn't rule something like this out either
hollow shell
The problem with separating two solutions to the same problem is that you cause the spoiler effect
People split their votes between the two solutions cuz they only pick the one they wanna see implemented the most
and that causes each one to get less votes
proper grail
This is true. It also forces people to use both of their daily slots on what is basically one suggestion with two solutions
zenith hazel
then ask some like-minded person to post the other solution
this is not the first time this has happened
and besides
when it does get sent to dev server, it gets split into 2+ suggestions anyway
why should it matter?
proper grail
Again, vote splitting. It's a rare occurrence and it hasn't been causing problems, so I believe it should be left alone.
hollow shell
We do indeed have a daily limit on the amount of suggs you can make
due to some eager individuals
who I will name, with no unsaid implications:
Feedzuh.
pine star
feedzuh and thomas
hollow shell
Thomas isn't frequent
whole sedge
thomas is like the opposite of frequent from what i've seen
zenith hazel
vote splitting should not matter in this scenario
it should be treated as any regular suggestion
a solution to a problem
hollow shell
But it will occur
zenith hazel
I know
hollow shell
I don't think it's worth the effort, to resolve the mild confusion of having multiple reactions on a sugg and needing to clarify in this channel
zenith hazel
but getting 2 in 1 just seems a bit unfair because you don't know which people would prefer
hollow shell
Yeah I can see that
Though in these situations, both solutions share the common thread
i.e. with the Pitbull one
it's "remove pitbull or do something with it"
the common thread being that pitbulls suck
And if you agree with that, you star it
cuz both solutions work to unsucking the pitbull
proper grail
If it can obtain necessary stars for two directly interrelated suggestions that could also be interpreted as a single one, that seems like a better solution than having both suggestions fail when separated.
You'll actually end up with a consensus in the first, and another dead Sugg in the second
zenith hazel
if people don't like the dead sugg then what's the issue?
also, doesn't "unsucking the pitbull" equate to "do something with it"?
hollow shell
You can't suck if you don't exist
zenith hazel
for the scenario, it might as well be 2 separate suggestions
one is trying to eliminate a "problem"
the other's trying to improve it
proper grail
Let's say 300 people want the pitbulls fixed. 150 want then removed, and 150 want them to become useful. When the suggestion is together, it will get those 300 stars and some solution will be achieved. You're always going to upset some part of the community when you make a decision
So it's better to make a controversial decision than none at all.
hollow shell
Are you proposing a new system where people are allowed to do options for a greater sugg?
cuz in that example, both suggs fail on their own and don't get delivered, they didn't reach 200
proper grail
And nothing happens to fix the problem as a result
hollow shell
Yeah
zenith hazel
...then why not generalize them instead? find a similarity that they share instead of breaking it into 2 completely different ideas
proper grail
I feel that this is unnecessarilly splitting hairs.
Does it cause any problems?
No.
hollow shell
How would you rephrase the Pitbull sugg, as an example?
proper grail
But does it at all degrade the efficiency or purpose of the channel? It actually helps fixes to get passed
And this isn't just any two loosely related suggestions
This is two very close ones working towards a common goal
zenith hazel
"Fix/improve Pitbulls, they serve very little purpose right now and it'd be nice if they did something useful"
proper grail
If the goal is the same, it should count as one suggestion.
proper grail
"Fix/improve Pitbulls, they serve very little purpose right now and it'd be nice...
Simple logic. Is the pitbull useful atm? No.
Is it going to have something useful added? If yes, that's great. If no, why does the pitbull exist?
zenith hazel
about 20 mathematicians propose different solutions to it
said solutions are not wrong, they work towards a common goal that is solving said math problem
but they're still different proposals/solutions
that doesn't make all 20 proposals the same suggestion
proper grail
The suggestion is to solve the problem, regardless of the method.
This was an elaboration on possible methods
In this case, there are only two logical possibilities
Remove a useless mob, or make it useful
The basic goal of the suggestion is still to fix pitbulls
And therefore, it should be treated as one suggestion
zenith hazel
I feel like you missed the entire point of my analogy but I'm not arguing any further
I'd rather push this to mod vote
proper grail
Also, in your example Brav, that's 20 different proposals with one solution. Math can only have one correct answer, it doesn't matter how you get there. A mod vote sounds like a fair idea.
hollow shell
(when you start getting to really high level math shit, stuff stops getting as clear cut)
unique kite
the math that doesn't have 1 clear answer is the math that is unfinished by design
proper grail
I've taken high level calc, I know
unique kite
hollow shell
Ah good
unique kite
math and in game pitbulls is too different of a metaphor for that reason
suggestion is basically "pitbulls are trash, just make them a thing or remove them"
looks about right
zenith hazel
actually, I can just ask in dev
unique kite
don't think it can get more general than suggestion to do something about pitbulls
sand umbra
mfw people are arguing about "either remove X or give X more purpose" for Pitbulls effectively being two different suggs
but here's what hilarious: but nobody bothered to bat an eye when I did literally that exact thing for multiple past suggs
hollow shell
(You could argue that the Pitbull was the straw that broke the camel's back, while you were the one that put all that other luggage on the camel beforehand)
sand umbra
(and I wouldn't have put all that luggage on the camel in the first place if I had known I shouldn't have, but nothing indicated that it was a problem then)
hollow shell
(byeah. I still don't think it's a problem really)
(I'll give this one a second...)
(Second expended.)
@crimson fern You going to add reason/elaboration onto your sugg?
crimson fern
oh yeah
i acidentally entered this title in
im still typing out the actual suggestion
crimson fern
: )
hollow shell
Wait
For one your sugg is a little bit too specific but I'm wondering, why?
What's wrong with either of their recipes?
crimson fern
wait what?
well, i dont think its really anything wrong with them..
but i mean, id like to see the flower of frost/fire items used,
and i believe the frigidflash bolt is very easy to obtain for it being quite powerful
hollow shell
Alright..
The reason could prolly be reworded a bit, to be stronger
(and you don't need to specify exactly 3 Essence of Sunlight, you can just leave that open)
crimson fern
plus the flower of frost/fire fits in very well with the whole tundra flame blossom thing..
mkay
hollow shell
Right now the thematic reason is just kinda, tacked on like an afterthought
crimson fern
lol
hollow shell
Now you've got no reason
hollow shell
Aight cool that's better
You could put the thematic reason in there if you want, what with them being an ice/fire duo (and flowers too in the case of Tundra Flame Blossom)
s'kinda implied but if you wanna be explicit about it, it'd be good
crimson fern
yeah, ill prob do that
i mean, my suggestion does have to be as good as it can be since i cant really edit it after 24 hours..
plus it would make it easier on anyone reviewing it, so thats good
hollow shell
ye ye
crimson fern
ok i included a little tid bit about the thematic similarities at the end
crude geode
Incorrect formatting
crimson fern
?
hollow shell
Uh oh, does it look funky on mobile?
crimson fern
i have a bolded title, and then a space in between and a paragraph..
oh, that could be it..
hollow shell
Looks fine to me
crude geode
It does in fact look funky on mobile
crimson fern
hmm...
hollow shell
Damn
Not much we can do about that except pray I guess
crimson fern
do the others look funky on mobile?
yeah
lets just hope the devs dont see it on there phone lol
crude geode
hollow shell
lol
crimson fern
but are the others also just a single paragraph?
hollow shell
This is an old issue, been around since #suggestions-posting was first created
I can only assume some OSs or keyboards or language settings do a different line break (Enter) than is standard
Which means it shows up weird on other platforms like the above
and the bot, which reposts the suggestions in #suggestions-voting, cannot process them properly
We'll see how it deals with this, if we can't fix it now
crimson fern
oof
golden narwhal
The title vs the actual sugg feels funky 
Prolly just me but having a sugg to alter recipes with the actual sugg being about adding a new crafting material feels like a jump
crimson fern
i think it might also have something to do with me acidentally just entering the title and having to edit the rest in
hollow shell
Indeed, mine also looks fine
But seems like we're both Android. Cursed is prolly iOS
crimson fern
hmm
hollow shell
You could try copying the line break that I'm putting in this message:
And paste it in your sugg
hollow shell
(sorry bout the technical issues btw. Thought this was settled when we got the sugg itself looking aight)
crimson fern
: )
hollow shell
@crude geode How's it lookin now
crude geode
Cool and epic
hollow shell
Radical.
crude geode
Wow this took a while
but it finally happened
Personally I don’t actually see it being that bad? Like it only took me and a few friends a couple tries on Deathmode to figure it out.
silent tulip
i play on revengeance mode, and combined with it dashing at you, and completely unpredictable lightning from heaven itself shooting at ya, it's not a fun boss
golden narwhal
The heaven lightning always comes from SW's direction when it charges, so it's not too unpredictable
silent tulip
???
crude geode
Pretty sure the ball only spawns at the beginning or end of a charge
silent tulip
ima be honest
golden narwhal
Idk anything about the orbs, lul
silent tulip
i did not know that now im embarassed
golden narwhal
You could try the boss again with that knowledge, see if there's still any noticeable issues
crude geode
there’s always a bunch of lightning that approaches when storm weaver charges, but, iirc, there’s a lightning orb that spawns at the beginning/end of charge.
silent tulip
well yeah it just spawns occasionally but its easy to dodge cause yknow
its predictable
crude geode
Indeed
earnest cape
both of my dragonfolly suggs got to 188 and stopped 
golden narwhal
frail mantle
sulphurous sea fishing gives summon weapon
swift wadi
technically all the abyss weapons can be fished
frail mantle
😳
frail mantle
iirc yes
crude geode
no
frail mantle
only after sans 1, though
crude geode
You can fish up the two accessories, and abyssal crates. That’s it.
frail mantle
crude geode
That’s...crates.
bold wave
abyssal crates dont drop weapons till post skeletron, just like sunken crates dont drop giant clam drops till hm. Also, shadow chest drops arent unique, like giant clam drops
crude geode
And shadow chest loot
bold wave
sulphurous sea fishing gives summon weapon
what weapon? do tell
frail mantle
no i'm just thinking
afaik there's no biome that has a summon weapon obtainable only by fishing
crude geode
I mean that’s because summoner is neglected as fuck by vanilla
frail mantle
yea
eternal escarp
uh
sharp prism
well
eternal escarp
no idea if this like
swift wadi
@ornate bluff please read the pins and rules here before posting suggestions, your current one has, at the very least, 0 reasoning
crude geode
specific enemies aren’t allowed. “Add More Underground Astral Enemies” would not be a don’t
eternal escarp
ah i see
cobalt pewter
@bold wave you can also mention Gacruxian Mollusk and Polaris Parrotfish, from Astral fishing
bold wave
sure
I was initially going for biomes that spawn upon worldgen, but i guess Astral Infection counts too.
dapper violet
doesn’t yharon drop a javelin?
sleek turret
yes it drops
- rogue is getting rebalanced next update anyways, so celestus isn't the only viable option to use at all.
half kayak
oh
half kayak
doesn’t yharon drop a javelin?
you can get that in phase 1
so its technically a post-darksun weapon
not a post-yhar2 weapon
tawny garden
Auric tier dedicated weapons were banned
before the dedicated items were discontinued for now
half kayak
didnt ask for a dedicated auric tesla rogue javelin
tawny garden
should we make auric tier weapon suggs a don't?
half kayak
maybe
dapper violet
rogue sucks at auric tier because there are no homing options
not because it lacks a javelin
half kayak
unless a subclass is missing it (i.e javelin rogue subclass not getting AT weapon)
swift wharf
everything doesnt need to be homing smh
crude geode
^
half kayak
everything doesnt need to be homing smh
ye
swift wharf
and im pretty sure in 1.5, rogue scal is going to be super viable
i mean spam and stealth
half kayak
rogue sucks at auric tier because there are no homing options
not because it lac...
this post was made by the melee gang
dapper violet
okay then
remove homing from melee projectiles
swift wharf
and plasma grenades are being reworked
crude geode
Good luck
tawny garden
(also this sugg is a don't)
sleek turret
there will be 2 types of rogue playstiles next update at all
half kayak
wait my sugg is a dont
sleek turret
spammy and stealth
swift wharf
remove spam ty
half kayak
(also this sugg is a don't)
how
tawny garden
Any suggestions involving making a specific subclass (weapon type) more viable at certain point(s) in the game.
half kayak
oh
no
i just wanted a subclass to have a weapon
i didnt say "make it homing"
or "make it higher dps than celestus"
tawny garden
i just wanted a subclass to have a weapon
well, that's not allowed
half kayak
o
tawny garden
this don't should be more clear tbh
half kayak
deletes suggestion rip my suggestion 1/14 2021-1/14 2021 10 mins after it was born
dapper violet
saying "the yharon javelin isn't good enough for javelin users, there should be an auric one" is the exact same as "make x weapon do more damage"
half kayak
o
swift wharf
theres a javelin for scal in 1.5
infernal spear
forget about plasma nades, those are pre-yharon now i think
half kayak
wait so yharhar drop gonna turn to AT?
dapper violet
in 1.5 there will be no more darksun fakeout
swift wharf
such as final dawn and infernal spear
dapper violet
the mighty chicken cannon vs scal
swift wharf
and celestus/supernova is now post draedon
half kayak
k
crude geode
Tbh I don’t really see auric tier suggs being a don’t. For example, summoner is still gonna have like 4 weapons while every other class is gonna have like 8 viable weapons for SCal
bold wave
Melee has too many rn
eternal escarp
summoner still will have 4? damn
eternal escarp
i mean, tbf, summoner would ever need a combo of 8 summons tho?
crude geode
Unless darksun is relevant post Yharon, it’s 2
eternal escarp
it can be, but less
crude geode
and mechworm but cringe
dapper violet
does summoner need more than one?
crude geode
Variety
dapper violet
since slot stacking is being killed
eternal escarp
yharon kindle would be buffed tho, to fit it being post scal iirc
crude geode
It’s kinda nice to have in a class
eternal escarp
byeah variety is good, fair point
crude geode
instead of just having one viable weapon at each tier of the game
half kayak
will drae and scal both be superbosses till yerman comes out
manic gale
isnt scal considered a superboss
eternal escarp
not exactly
crude geode
It’s weird
bold wave
Jungle Tyrant, yerman
manic gale
or was that the lorde
half kayak
Jungle Tyrant, yerman
Jungle Dragon, yharhar
manic gale
Jungle Dragon, yharhar
yharhar the singing dragon
bold wave
Man of culture, huh
half kayak
or was that the lorde
we do not speak of the forbidden boss
decrease ur electronic device's aural output starts playing
eternal escarp
she is optional atm, so she is kindof, but she isnt intended to be optional since youd have to defeat her for yharim, the future final boss.
she ATM is kindof, but her superboss status wss removed, the wiki will uodste with the draedon update
half kayak
oh god oh no BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
crude geode
...anyways
eternal escarp
i think this is the explanation, back to the summiner thing
tawny garden
the idea of a superboss is weird
manic gale
i bet the lorde would destroy us at any future point in the game easily
crude geode
Summoner needs more variety endgame
tawny garden
it's only defined by devs
through hand-waving
"oh this boss is difficult, it must be a superboss"
manic gale
i feel like a superboss would just be
eternal escarp
yeah true, they would only have like, yharon kindle and smthn else cosmic immaterializer(?) for pre scal, although im sure draedon will unlock nee summoner weapons, since its confirmed we will have more weapons, but we dont exactly know which and how much
sleek hornet
btw, sulphurous sea already have abyssal amulet
manic gale
difficult in context of the game's progression like
eternal escarp
super bosses are just optional bosses
manic gale
with every item you could get up to that point it would still be difficult
pine star
super bosses are just optional bosses
optional painful bosses
eternal escarp
actual optional after the game is ending, yeah
crude geode
mhm
tawny garden
super bosses are just optional bosses
ah, so that means I've beaten the mod?
manic gale
masochist bosses
eternal escarp
like, after yharim, wed have 2 super bosses (this is only planed, ofc, we dont know exactly yet)
crude geode
is this actually gonna go anywhere towards a suggestion? I assume not
tawny garden
(no)
crude geode
Go to #calamity-mod-talk
pine star
like, after yharim, wed have 2 super bosses (this is only planed, ofc, we dont k...
They're Noxus and Xeroc
AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO THEM
eternal escarp
i wanted to end this after i tried explaining about scals situation
crude geode
byech.
eternal escarp
They're Noxus and Xeroc
AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO THEM
yeah, super bosses arent required
anyways
tawny garden
They're Noxus and Xeroc
AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO THEM
caps
sleek hornet
btw, sulphurous sea already have abyssal amulet
so saying that abyss/sulphhurous sea have none is not accurate
crude geode
Abyssal amulet is an accessory, not a weapon.
eternal escarp
i mean, yeah
crude geode
the suggestion specifically talks about weapons
sleek hornet
wait i missunderstand it, i thought they're talking about gear
sleek hornet
eternal escarp
closest thing is enemies in the acid rain that directly drop weapons
like parasitic scepter, but its not the thing they suggested ofx
crude geode
Summoner needs more variety endgame imo, because it’s just cosmic immaterializer + Yharon kindle staff unless you want your screen covered up by other things. It’s gonna be even worse next update with them being more viable than darksun weapons.
crude geode
...
eternal escarp
so, litterly 1 weapon
crude geode
Cool summoner has one really viable weapon for SCal
eternal escarp
unless you do draedon first, yeah
litterly 1
we cant suggest future content sadly
i think
crude geode
@radiant meadow is summoner only really gonna have Yharon’s Kindle Staff as a viable option for SCal? Considering darksun and exo changes
radiant meadow
it's not set in stone yet I don't think
eternal escarp
(unless the more exo weapons weve been hinted at give more summon options)
qh
ah
crude geode
(unless the more exo weapons weve been hinted at give more summon options)
Even then, wouldn’t change anything
eternal escarp
atm for those two bosses, its litterly just yharon kindle, and cosmix immat if draedon would be done first.
but if its not set in stone, then im positive thisll be talked and dealt with
yeah, thats fair ig
crude geode
I wish there was more endo hydra/nuclear heart weapons for auric tier
sleek hornet
atm for those two bosses, its litterly just yharon kindle, and cosmix immat if d...
wait isnt midnight sun beacon also a viable option?
or saros
crude geode
Next update darksun is post dog
dapper violet
don’t forget that yharon and scal are being kneecapped next update
so using a weapon off tier won’t be as drastic as before
eternal escarp
even then
variety
1 weapons when other classes have 3-4 and melee is just
prrft
crude geode
You still wouldn’t want to use something off tier for a post ml boss in general
crude geode
besides like health but that’s just for balancing
eternal escarp
yep
crude geode
Yeah haven’t heard anything about damage or brimstone monsters being removed
eternal escarp
your suggestion was denied
crude geode
I saw, just checked on it
crude geode
My only question would be why tbh, but that’s what I usually ask after my suggestions are denied.
I just get curious behind the logic
dapper violet
~~also never heard of SCal being nerfed this update~~
this is what i was referring to
crude geode
That's more for the post-ml balancing, with health and things
not a overall nerf to the difficulty, but overall making the power curve less stupid post ml
also, fun fact
Melee has triple the amount of modded weapons summoner has post-ml.
pine star
Andrew is Andrew
tawny garden
yeah
tawny garden
they are both 
crude geode
It's really stupid, because supposedly there was an update to even out the playing field for summoner when compared to other classes. And it doesn't even come class to a vanilla class' total weapons.
hot zephyr
Melee has more weapons because it incorporates a wide amount of side-classes, sword bloat is real but will eventually be dealt with in one way or another
crude geode
Tbh, it's not even that bad. It's just that summoner only has half the amount that any other vanilla class has
pine star
crude geode
Rogue I can understand having less weapons at, like, any point. But summoner is a badly abused vanilla class.
pine star
lul
eternal escarp
i mean
pine star
Still, there need to be more summon weapons
crude geode
it's prolly bc it shares with melee currently
eternal escarp
i mean this jump alone is huge anyways
melee to summoner is just adding salt to the injury of the fact summoner has litterly nothing
and inside of that litteraly nothing
some weapons are just not even viable
afaik, gamma heart isnt great
crude geode
Hydra Staff
eternal escarp
from what ive heared atleast
i mean i understand not every weapon needs to be good ofc
crude geode
I want Gamma Heart to be good. It's such a unique design for a summoner weapon.
tawny garden
hail hydra
crude geode
But you can't be close enough to any relevant post-ml boss to make it's effect relevant.
byech
I don't really mind the fact that ranged and melee have ten or so more weapons than mage, it's that all vanilla classes have around 60~ weapons each, but then summoner has 20.
pine star
pine star
Rogue was literally made from whole cloth
crude geode
There's no such thing as variety in post-ml summoner weapons, not only because there just isn't enough but because a decent amount of them just don't do enough.
pine star
Summoner wasn't
crude geode
the funny thing is, it can be even lower than 24 if you don't count the post-scal weapons or the sentries. It would be 19.
pine star
How many of those 5 are dev weapons?
tawny garden
none iirc
crude geode
2 of them are, 3 are sentries.
tawny garden
ah
crude geode
Temporal Umbrella and Flamsteed Ring.
pine star
Oh
Ben and Iban
tawny garden
I'm outdated
eternal escarp
did my internet die and my last message not send? fuck
crude geode
Summoner only gets like 2 weapons (average ofc) for each post-ml boss, meanwhile melee is almost getting to 10 average per post-ml boss.
wicked needle
It’s mostly because summoner does really change weapons during any fight. One weapons does the job but in melee’s case you have to change a lot during a fight to maximize damage
tawny garden
Temporal Umbrella has been around for like half a year you boomer
well, I haven't played in a year
eternal escarp
It’s mostly because summoner does really change weapons during any fight. One we...
that makes 0 sense imo
crude geode
^^^
eternal escarp
most classes use 1 weapon all the time
unless debuffs
which wont matter endgame
you wont use more then 1 weapon unless they both work for diffrent types of the fight, per say one is better close and one is better long, but this example almost never occurs
crude geode
Summoner has the potential to do more, see also hardmode summoning weapons. But it just is one cosmic immaterializer and funny chicken nuggets.
eternal escarp
i guess murasama blows this, but thats fucking melee / true melee shit so who cares
earnest cape
it deletes orbs
eternal escarp
yeah, which is like
crude geode
you have one weapon for each class that does that. orbs barely matter for anything.
eternal escarp
well actually theres more classes who do that
but still
it doesnt really invalidate my point i think
crude geode
mhm
eternal escarp
you dont need weapons to be handicapped that youd have to switch them mid fight
and even then, summoner can use multiple summons at once for builds, which is like
the best thing summoner has imo
the variety
crude geode
it's the whole point of summoner
eternal escarp
yeah basically
wicked needle
I definitely switch my melee weapons a lot when fighting providence
crude geode
which is why removing a shit ton of summoning slots is stupid
wicked needle
But summoner is elemental axe all the way
eternal escarp
because melee has a fuckton of options, so obv 1 will be better in certain circumstances
crude geode
^^^^
half kayak
@crude geode rogue also has barely any weapon with almost half the weapons that magic has
wicked needle
I do think their needs to be way more sentries
crude geode
Sentries are cringe and hard to balance
eternal escarp
<@!322580913093476352> rogue also has barely any weapon with almost half the wea...
yeah true, but its a modded class which makes sense
but im sure more rogue weapons are prolly gonna be added through time
especially with stealth rework
crude geode
Summoner is a vanilla class that gets less than half the weapons any other vanilla class does.
wicked needle
Right now for me, the only way to beat polterghast as a summoner is energy staff and Valhalla knight
eternal escarp
i mean stealth itself makes the less weapon thing fine
crude geode
maybe don't use melee all the time?
eternal escarp
because 1 weapon can have 2 ways to play with
crude geode
mhm
tawny garden
fuck melee
eternal escarp
emphasis on can, obv, some rogue strikes are a bit of not really unique doodoo
crude geode
@ feedzuh || false sugg prophet, stealth prophet
half kayak
emphasis on can, obv, some rogue strikes are a bit of not really unique doodoo
some are ports from melee weapons so they dont even have a stealth strike at all
crude geode
that's getting handicapped next update so whateves
eternal escarp
the ones that will be kept rogue will gain ones
half kayak
such as elemental disc
eternal escarp
the ones that will be kept rogue will gain ones
.
half kayak
k
eternal escarp
so dw about Ele disk and corpus and i forgot the third thing
crude geode
nanoblack iirc?
cobalt pewter
Rogue I can understand having less weapons at, like, any point. But summoner is ...
Minion AI crafting is fucking annoying iirc
eternal escarp
the full list in pinned in #calamity-update-talk FaQ
cobalt pewter
At least according to Ben
eternal escarp
well, it makes sense
crude geode
Making true melee viable is also fucking annoying. Yet you see like 100 changelogs dedicated to it.
eternal escarp
and they did say its not set in stone, so im being positive a solution will come
pine star
Making true melee viable is also fucking annoying. Yet you see like 100 changelo...
That's because of Andrew
And Cameron even dislikes all the changelogs about it
cameron is ozz
eternal escarp
hell i dont even like summoner and i want it to wokr lmao
cobalt pewter
@ feedzuh || false sugg prophet, stealth prophet
Also uh, apparently me being Stealth Rogue GOD can fuel things for some reason? So I'll keep myself low
In any case yeah, as much as I appreciate the true melee changes for the most part, summoner needs real stuff too
crude geode
I expect nothing less from this server tfbfh
There had to be an update dedicated to actually making sure summoner wasn't as dead as throwing.
It gets pretty neglected when you compare it to anything else.
crude geode
That's because of Andrew
And Cameron even dislikes all the changelogs about it
you should prolly call people by their username and not their irl name. it's kinda weird.
cobalt pewter
At this point I'm already not hage towards the lack of rogue weapons
But still disappointed regardless
sleek turret
why rocc?
eternal escarp
you can still like rogue stealth tho, cant you?
half kayak
rocc
wicked needle
Rogue is screwed before polterghast
sleek hornet
Call Andrew red
cobalt pewter
The retier stuff might be interesting, but if there's not much rogue stuff in terms of weapons, nyech
half kayak
rocc
bottom text
cobalt pewter
Rogue is screwed before polterghast
Before polter? Polter dies to Celestial Reaper lmao
cobalt pewter
In fact stealth rogue is like
Encouraged to do polter pre provi atm
Because provi is just pure pain
crude geode
Rip Utensil Poker
tawny garden
@hushed orbit I think you should make your title clearer
crude geode
Sentinels are pretty easy? From the recent updates, they've been slowly growing into more of an actual boss fight.
frail mantle
iirc all the Sentinels used to spawn simultaneously but they made them spawn one at a time because it ended up just being messy
not sure if it was a public version or a test version, though
crude geode
Plus I would rather them stay as they currently are then being Profaned Guardians bc Profaned Guardians are so bad rn.
crude geode
Cold Take that's been out in the street for several days more like
tawny garden
lol
eternal escarp
the donuts are disgustingly cold
cobalt pewter
Cosmic Guardians 
crude geode
Cosmic Guardians already kinda handle this role, yeah.
eternal escarp
dont want another profaned guardians deal
crude geode
iirc all the Sentinels used to spawn simultaneously but they made them spawn one...
@hushed orbit see the above
Also I’m not sure if this suggestion has like...regarded them recently, cuz they’ve overall been a lot more like actual bosses as of late.
Also also more DoG reworks? Can we just leave the fucker alone for one update
gray nebula
"add more postML summoner weapons"
add more summoner weapons.
in general
but we still have some to add anyways so epic style
robust lava
More for Iban to sprite 
pine star
tacit phoenix
Summoner getting the same treatment in calamity as it was in vanilla
tawny garden
and Melee also gets the same treatment
tacit phoenix
cobalt pewter
Rogue is essentially the core of the entire class progression yet still less than ranged and melee
tawny garden
Rogue is essentially the core of the entire class progression
I'm having troubles with understanding this statement
cobalt pewter
Maybe
fossil finch
me when melee
tacit phoenix
I'm sure that it will get more stuff
hopefully
i enjoy the class
sad to see it in a bad spot rn
cobalt pewter
**Added by Calamity**
Melee: 244
Ranged: 184
Rogue: 160
Magic: 147
Summoner: 74
@crude geode you can also throw this value if you want