suggestions-discussion

[fossil finch]

since dr reduction and etc

[zenith hazel]

ssv was just buffed last update to be a primary weapon rather than a support one

@rain basalt give a better reason

[eternal escarp]

and from what i remember

SSV is pretty good

[zenith hazel]

yes

I tested it myself, it was and is in a solid spot

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[dapper coral]

this sugg is directly invalid because it's asking for old content

[zenith hazel]

to an extent

but I doubt we're gonna revert the change regardless

[dapper coral]

that too

[rain basalt]

How about we give "cross" symbol as a disagreement

[zenith hazel]

what

[dapper coral]

...no

[eternal escarp]

i think the ! is to show the sugg have a problem

its not a disagreement lol

[dapper coral]

there is no disagreement here, this sugg is straight up invalid

[frozen storm]

[tawny garden]

lol this sugg

[pine star]

@rain basalt

[sleek turret]

❗ means the suggestion has a problem (reasoning, testing, etc)

[pine star]

There is a document with all the stuff you shouldn't do

[rain basalt]

okay

[eternal escarp]

so yeah

[frozen storm]

Subsuming Vortex(z-gen) is op

[rain basalt]

what z-gen

[cobalt pewter]

too bad nitwit isn't happening here

[dapper coral]

ffs can we not reference that anymore

it's just super unnecessary and demeaning

[cobalt pewter]

In any case

Old SSV was boring as shit

The only reason I didn't like the new one was the funne cap, but they addressed it

[rain basalt]

Also the Calamity Subreddit will break Fab's knees because of summoner getting nerfed

[cobalt pewter]

God

No one cares about reddit

[hot zephyr]

Who the hell uses the Calamity sub

[tawny garden]

wait

there's a Calamity subreddit?

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah, that's not the issue here

The issue is the sugg is

But it's already exclaimed h

@rain basalt read docs in pins or I'll be the one breaking your kneecaps don't suggest

Currently, yes, including hybrids

Actually

Might be 5

[sleek turret]

why recover some old budget function on a weapon if the current one is epic and does well now like Brav said, its a side weapon, its a primary weapon now.

[pine star]

YuH and Iban: Are we jokes to you?

[cobalt pewter]

Only Scarlet Devil isn't a hybrid atm

[zenith hazel]

nobody cares about the subreddit

and that is irrelevant to suggs

[hot zephyr]

People who don't like the current SSV don't understand how the weapon works and want it to return into a bad razorblade clone

There's no good reason to bring it back

[zenith hazel]

ye

[cobalt pewter]

Can we shoot that sugg down as well 🥺

[hot zephyr]

So delet time

[unreal viper]

also it already is back, correect?

they removed the cap

[eternal escarp]

not really

i mean

[rancid saddle]

SSV is fine as it is imo

[eternal escarp]

eh

SSV is great rn

exactly

[rancid saddle]

SSV was just balanced from where it is

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah but it's stronger in base dmg and slower in use time, in exchange

[eternal escarp]

the suggestion is bringing old content & litterly just an opinion with nothing backing it up lol

yeah there

[rancid saddle]

However: hot new take: eternity should not require ssv

[zenith hazel]

it won't next update iirc

[unreal viper]

I put down agreements.

geode

[cobalt pewter]

There was a talk about it ye

[eternal escarp]

also, the subreddit is full of circlejerks tbh so no one cares about it anymore

[cobalt pewter]

Next update it shouldn't use SSV anymore

[rancid saddle]

oh thank god

[eternal escarp]

nor did anyone ever i think

[unreal viper]

reddit is fake

[rancid saddle]

I love that they did that w/ the apoethiosis

[cobalt pewter]

reddit is full of circlejerks*

[rancid saddle]

pain in the ass to get

[cobalt pewter]

Just don't bother

[tawny garden]

Is Eternity's functionality gonna be changed next update?

[eternal escarp]

i mean, youre not wrong

[pine star]

BTD is the only exception

[unreal viper]

reddit is designed to faciltate circlejerks

[dapper coral]

probably not? iirc Dom said not really

[tawny garden]

good

[rancid saddle]

calamity mod community is dorky as it is but calamity mod reddit is like the lowest level of the abyss

[zenith hazel]

get back on topic

[grim tusk]

the new concept is good, but it was poorly excecuted, it needs a dmg or use speed buff badly

and to reduce the amount of dust that thing vomits

cuz it l a gs

[river glen]

What about when u equip the philosipher stone or the upgrades, it has a cooldown before the effect activates

like a 10s cd

this prevents the cheese of just subbing philo stone, and just swaping it out and still getting the bonuses

[hot zephyr]

.... @tawny garden stone

[tawny garden]

🙃

[pine star]

[eternal escarp]

if you can swap accesories midgame then HF tbh

dont see why its needed, and it was suggested about a week ago once?

[unreal viper]

I agree.

Why are people not able to react in this server?

[hot zephyr]

[eternal escarp]

to avoid people react spamming i assume

[hot zephyr]

If we had access emoji spam would def drop.

[eternal escarp]

i mean yeah, ig, but people will just start placing 20 reactions for every message

[river glen]

auto pause

ez cheese

[eternal escarp]

i mean, thats just your fault then

you chose to cheat

lol

[unreal viper]

you can autopause dodge too

[river glen]

bruh, thats why i suggest it

[eternal escarp]

^

[hot zephyr]

I think... #calamity-mod-talk, #calamity-update-talk , #general-talk , #general-media, and then all three voice channels should have react perms tbh

[eternal escarp]

cal talk maybe not

that channel is flooded with trolls

[unreal viper]

and gen talk should?

[eternal escarp]

well not flooded

byeah

[gray nebula]

but reacts can be posted on any messages

ability to spam peepoweird reacts on every single message

[hot zephyr]

I guess yeah, pins could get flooded w/ em

[eternal escarp]

yeah thats what i thought

people will just do 20 emotes per message

[hot zephyr]

But how often would that actually happen tbh

[eternal escarp]

and clog chats

who knows

[dapper coral]

more often than necessary, probably

[hot zephyr]

Doubt it

Especially in smaller channels

[dapper coral]

which channels can you guys react in atm

[eternal escarp]

maybe you guys can do a test run of it? in 1 channel? doubt this idea will pass

[unreal viper]

wiki

[eternal escarp]

non

[tawny garden]

It will happen often

[eternal escarp]

oh, wiki

right

[unreal viper]

Both wiki.

[eternal escarp]

byeah thats it

granted it prolly has a less active chat

[tawny garden]

I have react perms in wiki, and I alone react more than I probably should

[dapper coral]

wait, really? no public channels at all? wiki doesn't count because there is a slight barrier to entry kek

[eternal escarp]

i think

no public ones

[unreal viper]

Wiki discussion is public.

Right?

[hot zephyr]

Give it like a two week trial period and then act on that

[dapper coral]

that is true

[eternal escarp]

we have no perms other then speaking

[hot zephyr]

Get actual data instead of speculation

[eternal escarp]

and message history

[unreal viper]

and emotes

[eternal escarp]

yeah this could prolly work tbh

[radiant meadow]

they were removed from most channels a little over 2 years ago

[eternal escarp]

oh

[dapper coral]

how come?

[eternal escarp]

so there was a reason behind it then i assume

[hot zephyr]

I member

[dapper coral]

just fat spam or something

[radiant meadow]

I asked Danny once

I forget

[eternal escarp]

[sand umbra]

yeah all public channels leave normal server members incapable of reacting to messages

[hollow shell]

Also exclusively allowing em for one channel is kinda asking for spam 🤔

[unreal viper]

In terms of space in the chat, even multiple reactions take up less than a single proper emote.

[radiant meadow]

you can probably ask Danny again if you want an answer yourself Demik

[tawny garden]

give wiki people the ability to react everywhere

[unreal viper]

^

[dapper coral]

yeah i'm gunna

brb

[tawny garden]

(nah)

[radiant meadow]

I'm removing your contrib role if that's the case

[hot zephyr]

Give wiki people nothing

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[hollow shell]

I remember an issue was that reactions are not logged
You can spam reactions and remove them and there would be no trace

[eternal escarp]

yeah thats fair

[unreal viper]

Ah, hm.

[tawny garden]

You can log them via a bot

[sand umbra]

I'd say "good behavior rewards react perms" depsite that being completely non-beneficial to me
but then it's just like "isn't that just CD but again"

[hot zephyr]

It's been two years, the API could've changed

[tawny garden]

But that would be a lot of hassle

[eternal escarp]

yeah true, a bot can log, but that seems just too much

yeah

[hot zephyr]

Slightly-less-cool-dude

[radiant meadow]

could treat it like images I guess

[unreal viper]

Cool dude but granted by mods instead of fab.

[radiant meadow]

everyone has them but Warn removes it

[radiant meadow]

that's just not going to happen

[hot zephyr]

Giving mods the ability to grant a mini-CD sounds like a disaster

[unreal viper]

:(

[tawny garden]

Afaik there was a weird CD voting

Which was reported to be cringe

[sand umbra]

I agree with Ian on this
because then I'd get anywhere near Cool Dude status
and we all know that's not supposed to happen

[hot zephyr]

A #suggestions-discussion user getting CD? The universe doesn't allow that

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[dapper coral]

that would be awful

[hot zephyr]

I will literally eat a phone book if a #suggestions-discussion user gets CD

[eternal escarp]

he said

[sand umbra]

it is a law of the universe that I must give up any chance at CD to continue doing what I do and I have accepted this as such

[dapper coral]

go eat a phone book ig

[hot zephyr]

who got it

[eternal escarp]

haha yummy book

look above ian

litterly the image

[hot zephyr]

Demik doesn't count

[sand umbra]

Demik is barely here

[eternal escarp]

thats the joke

[tawny garden]

He was here

[hot zephyr]

I'm saying anyone currently a suggdisc regular that doesn't already have it

[eternal escarp]

i mean obv no one

[tawny garden]

Providab

[sand umbra]

Leon is also not here nearly as much as he used to be

[dapper coral]

only cuz i'm on break smh
i was born in suggs and lived here before mint

[tawny garden]

Although I dunno how much of a regular he is ye

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[hot zephyr]

My phonebook remains uneaten.

[dapper coral]

Emotes are not as easily monitored, and there's ton of toxic ones and whatnot

• tio danny

[hot zephyr]

Understandable

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[dapper coral]

so basically what rover said

[hot zephyr]

I still think Sand's sugg is valid, if not likely to pass

[dapper coral]

it is valid

[eternal escarp]

(i mean people with nitro can post emotes without reactions, byeah it is indeed a fair point)

[pine star]

yeah

[dapper coral]

but it would be a discussion in modcorner if ever it passed

[radiant meadow]

messages are recorded a lot easier than reactions

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah, forgot about audit logs for a sec

true

[hot zephyr]

(laughs in Snipping Tool)

[tawny garden]

deleted messages also need to be recorded by bot

cuz audit doesn't show the content of the deleted message

[eternal escarp]

i mean yeah, isnt that feature basically just a better audit log

[dapper coral]

basically just keep in mind that it is definitely not a done deal if it gets to modcorner, unlike a few emote server suggs

[eternal escarp]

when i owned a server, i just called the channel for that stuff "audit log" tbh

[hollow shell]

We got a deleted message bot

[dapper coral]

amber has an epic bot

it's not a discord feature

[eternal escarp]

yeye

[tawny garden]

it's an Amber feature

[eternal escarp]

well the discord audit log sucks

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

it exists, its just bad

[sand umbra]

audit log exists but yes it is garbage

[eternal escarp]

obv bots do it better lol

[sand umbra]

only tells you what mods/admins/owner does

[eternal escarp]

and that an action happened, but not what the action was

[sand umbra]

bots are very pog and can do the same thing but 10x better

[tawny garden]

thing is

Amber uses Kotlin

[radiant meadow]

would you rather I make the bot instead and use Python?

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[radiant meadow]

[tawny garden]

[hot zephyr]

I love Python

It's great

[eternal escarp]

ben bot 3.0?

[tawny garden]

why would you torture yourself

[dapper coral]

but beeeen we need you to stay alive

[radiant meadow]

I'll just upgrade Ben Bot #1

[hot zephyr]

Battle bots time.

[eternal escarp]

wait which one is the first, i joined the server late

[radiant meadow]

(the mod bot)

[tawny garden]

I assume Kotlin is easier to code in than js, but the api library for it isn't the best

[weak field]

Why

[eternal escarp]

(ah, yeah makes sense)

[dapper coral]

uh

[tawny garden]

wot

Provi isn't the sun

[radiant meadow]

@tawny ocean care to elaborate a little more?

[tawny ocean]

this reccomendation was kind of a joke

[hot zephyr]

Edit the sprite of Providence to have sunglasses, probably

[eternal escarp]

i mean

[hot zephyr]

joke suggestions

[radiant meadow]

Meme/joke suggestions are frowned upon

[eternal escarp]

as much a proviglasses sounds dope, this isnt really valid sadly

[tawny ocean]

understandable, i will remove it at once

[sand umbra]

...looked it up and...huh. it's an actual thing that happens with Sunglasses

[eternal escarp]

you didnt know? lmao

[radiant meadow]

yeah it is

vanilla gaming

[eternal escarp]

terraria has great small details, but bad major ones

[tawny ocean]

It will be back when 1.4 comes out and texture packs come out. Mark my words, i will make it

[sand umbra]

vanilla is funky sometimes

[sleek turret]

proviglasses

hmm

[eternal escarp]

+🕶️ yknow

oh wow you cant see the glasses

[tawny garden]

ye lol

[sleek turret]

im going to photoshop bye bye

[tawny garden]

it's an emoji that dates back like 30 years, ofc they didn't make it with Dark mode in mind

[eternal escarp]

cya then, ill move before we escalate off topic too much

[hollow shell]

(At least the dash doesn't stick to you anymore)

[tawny ocean]

wait... WHAT

did it used to stick to you?

[hollow shell]

Due to some jank, yeah
He wouldn't stop charging at you after he already made contact, so he just kept homing into you even when he was already on your position, so he stuck to you for the duration of the dash

Happened with the Profaned Guardians too

because they both shared Corite's charge code.

[eternal escarp]

god i hate corite charges

[tawny ocean]

corites are horrible

[fossil finch]

just circle him (Lol) (lol)

[jade cape]

Just dash (lol) (lol) (lol)

[fossil finch]

that does not work.... at all

[hollow shell]

It is possible to dodge Signus's charges
Gets easy once you know the movement for it

But they are pretty fast and punishing

[tawny ocean]

I probably would be able to dodge them if there weren't walls of scythes coming at me from every direction

[fossil finch]

yes

[eternal escarp]

tbh its possible ofc

its just annoying if you get in a tight situation because, thats how it goes lol

[frail mantle]

i exist when i have something to say

[tawny ocean]

welp, apparantly it's impossible to get cursed flames on a crimson world, according to that guy in suggestions posting. HEY, @trail anchor , just get your corrupt island. Took me like 3 hours to grow a giant crimson from 6 crimsand blocks

[dapper coral]

@rancid saddle it's already being done

check changelogs

[rancid saddle]

hol up

[zenith hazel]

yea we're really lazy aren't we

[rancid saddle]

fuck im stupid

[dapper coral]

also you're not very likely to get any support if you insult the devs

[rancid saddle]

time to go commit die

[tawny ocean]

what was the suggestion?

[tawny garden]

A crimson variant of the cursed capper

Or however the fuck it's called

[tawny ocean]

no, the one @rancid saddle posted

[jade cape]

Make defiled rune have no rocket boots or anything that involves flying or hovering in any way

[dapper coral]

it was about getting rid of rogue/melee hybrids

[tawny garden]

Ah

[zenith hazel]

don't need to worry about it

moving on

[dapper coral]

but you don't need to -- yeah

[rancid saddle]

whats the cursed capper

[zenith hazel]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Cursed_Capper

[sleek turret]

a weapon currently exclusive to corruption worlds.

[zenith hazel]

you can get cursed flames on crimson worlds

[dapper coral]

doesn't HM drop them in hardmode

[rancid saddle]

fun fact: most people have qol that allow the swapping of between of them

[sleek turret]

fishing?

[zenith hazel]

good for them

[dapper coral]

yes he does

@trail anchor all you need to do is kill hive mind once on the evil island (in hardmode) to get your cursed flames, it's not difficult at all

[tawny ocean]

so the flag on your suggestion means it is being added to the mod right?

[robust lava]

Yes. The meaning of all the reactions is listed in the pins.

[tawny ocean]

I did read those, but i just wanted to confirm

[hollow shell]

@fast quail Amidias

[fossil finch]

just add more amidias quotes imo

[sudden mural]

rip guide

[fossil finch]

if that's even necessary

[fast quail]

I feel like it would be helpful

[hot zephyr]

Ok, here's an idea

[hollow shell]

No I mean

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Sea_King

Here's the NPC

[tawny ocean]

@fast quail just go to le wiki

[hot zephyr]

Y'know how NPCs are highlighted with an ! when they have new shop items?

[hollow shell]

Amidias's "Help" dialogue gives you hints about Calamity things that appeared recently

[hot zephyr]

What if: Guide NPCs (ie Guide, Amidias) are given a unique ! if they have new information, and the new information has the highest priority

[tawny garden]

[hot zephyr]

Maybe green instead of yellow

[fossil finch]

that's pog yeah

[fast quail]

Yes I know about Amidias but making class-specific suggestions to guide players progression could be useful

[tawny garden]

and the new information has the highest priority
This sounds difficult to do

[hollow shell]

Class-specific?

[fossil finch]

at this point you are better of checking the wiki lol

[hollow shell]

That seems like a bit much

Better to just keep this open https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Guide:Class_setups

[tawny garden]

Class specific is too much, ye

Same deal as with prioritising class specific drops of bosses

The game is fundamentally wiki-reliant

[fast quail]

I just thought it would save some time from the wiki but if all around you guys don't think its a very good idea than I don't think it's too big of an issue

[fossil finch]

or "fuck yourself and learn absolutely everything you are doing wrong without external help because i as a game am not helping you"

[hollow shell]

You can rephrase your sugg a bit

Because the NPC does exist
in the form of Amidias

(and the Guide)

It would be redundant to add yet another

[fossil finch]

amidias is better anyways (he is)

[tawny garden]

The vanilla wiki has existed since the 17th of May 2011, just a day after the game was released

Fun fact

[fossil finch]

lol

[fast quail]

I reworked my suggestion a little if you want to take a second look at it

[tawny ocean]

that's a cool fact, thank you for your wisdoms

[hollow shell]

That's better Hubble

[crystal iron]

maybe hours is a bit of an over exxageration

[dapper coral]

i would say to take out the part about suggesting equipment entirely, since class-specific makes it way less likely to be approved should it ever make it to dev

[fast quail]

ok

[dapper coral]

but the other examples are okay

[tawny garden]

also insulting the wiki

[unreal viper]

wiki god

[tawny ocean]

@fast quail you don't have to spend "hours combing through the wiki", just look up teh boss you beat and look in the aftermath tab

[civic notch]

I wholeheartedly agree with that suggestion because I want more amidias lore text to comb through because I want newer players to have an easier time

[unreal viper]

"I was thinking astral armor would have "highly increased damage, but the more damage you deal of 1 class the lower the damage for that class would be"
so if you were going summoner/rogue, it would be a moderate increase for both
but pure rogue would gain almost no benefit" This was sockurais idea for astral, didn't include it in my sugg because specific.

[cobalt pewter]

I'm waiting for this concept here to post my astral rework sugg

[unreal viper]

That was the idea.

[cobalt pewter]

Oh hm

Then how do you regain that bonus? Not using the class?

[unreal viper]

Not dealing damage with it I suppose, or delaing low damage.

[sleek hornet]

[hollow shell]

I am surprised that Rework Astral Armor suggs don't get made more often

because it's a pretty lame set bonus

[cobalt pewter]

Because people forget about it

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message

Didn't even hit req

[unreal viper]

I did one much latter than my first slew suprisingly.

I don't understand why it didn't

astral is bad

frick

[cobalt pewter]

1. Deus is in a weird spot
2. Class armors matter more in HM, or multihelmet shittery
3. Astral stuff don't have very long sustainability

[unreal viper]

i should have said it was bad

That's the main problem

Plus too long.

[hollow shell]

You can remake it

[unreal viper]

Do you wanna remake it or should I feedzuh?

[cobalt pewter]

Wait uhm

I was curious about that concept

How would you possibly regain the dmg stat on summoner?

[hollow shell]

You can also include the fact that it has a lot riding on it in terms of thematics
This is the armor of the Astral biome
and it has less to do with the Astral (and is less interesting overall) than the rogue Astral armor from earlier in the game

[unreal viper]

I'm not sure tbh.

[cobalt pewter]

This is what I wrote so far

Rework Astral armor.

Being an omniclass armor, this doesn't evan have anything remotely interesting to be dissected. The buff bonuses on each piece isn't relatively enticing since none of the buffs really matter when Omniscience Potion exists. The set bonuses are nothing interesting either. Falling stars on hit? Pure stats? These are just bland.

Reworking the armor from ground up would make the armor actually able to be designed in an interesting way, especially since Titan Heart armor, a similarly themed armor, is way more interesting than Astral is.

[unreal viper]

You could ask sock.

You need more meat on your bones.

[cobalt pewter]

I ate all of my meat yesterday

[unreal viper]

Just say that the star set bonus is lame since we have tons of star falling stuff already and that stats as a set bonus also suck.

I don't think stats should be in set bonuses.

[cobalt pewter]

Haha minion slot momentum

[unreal viper]

If you're putting stats in the set bonus it means the set bonus isn't good enough.

[hollow shell]

You could be more descriptive on why the set bonus is uninteresting
with the reason partly being that it's a function shared by tons of weapons and accessories elsewhere in the mod/game
"Something damaging falls from the sky"

one of the stars may even be directly ripped from Starfury

[cobalt pewter]

Pretty sure it is

[unreal viper]

That's kinda the exception imo, since minion slots are very crucial.

[cobalt pewter]

Edited above

I'll try to sugg it for now then

[crude geode]

The problem with that sugg I hate sand was that it was when Feedzuh was allowed to post 3 suggs a day

[cobalt pewter]

[unreal viper]

"doesn't evan"

danke

[cobalt pewter]

[novel belfry]

holy shit that crabulon sugg above the astral armor sugg you mentioned has 300+ stars? wtf?

[unreal viper]

Haha minor qol go brrr

[hollow shell]

Wow

Wacky that it was near-universally rejected in the dev server

[hot zephyr]

Nobody likes farming for Shroomite

[unreal viper]

Why was it rejected?

[zenith hazel]

iirc it was unnecessary since crabulon already drops a ton of mushrooms + seeds for you to make a surface biome

[heady storm]

What Brav said yeah.

[hollow shell]

Indeed, the worst part about Shroomite farming is usually the mushrooms, not the Chlorophyte
and the fact that he drops a bunch of mushrooms remedies that issue

(in my experience)

[hot zephyr]

It's both imo.

[unreal viper]

Chloro is very annoying.

Mushrooms are pretty annoying unless you prep and build a biome early.

[hot zephyr]

I just think: Why bother farming a large amount of niche materials when I can either get Hydrothermic or Plague Reaper which are both easier to craft and better.

[zenith hazel]

because those are post-golem?

[fossil finch]

As if golem was a problem

[hot zephyr]

Shows you how much I play Ranger; just substitute Shroomite for Reaver, sorry.

[cobalt pewter]

The amount of shards on right click is the same as the amount of shards around you

So they technically already utilized minion slots

[rich iris]

Yeah I just think that it's too slow and doesn't do enough damage as is. Anything squishy enough for it do considerable damage will just get killed by the regular ice shards before the right click actually fires.

I was trying to say that I think the damage scaling for the right click should be buffed

Think I should reword it to make that more clear?

[cobalt pewter]

Lemme quickly check

Seems like there's no specifications, so let's just assume the shards on right click have the same dmg as base

Byeah

[rich iris]

Alright hows that?

[cobalt pewter]

That might work

[rich iris]

Nice. Thanks man

[remote crystal]

Make an NPC sell an item to spawn Martian Invasions.

Currently, the only way I know of to get a Martian invasion to occur is to chill up in Space and wait for a probe, I think the the Cyborg or Steampunker or another NPC should sell an item to make it happen at will.

[crude geode]

Considering how high you can make spawn rates, I don't think it's that bad

Use Zerg, Chaos, Water, Battle, and you'll have one in no time

[hollow shell]

This used to be a very common sugg

I don't think it'd be an unwelcome addition

[remote crystal]

It would give Cyborg a use

[cobalt pewter]

Though fargo's mutant exists iirc

But that's not a bad sugg either

[crude geode]

Cyborg has a use in rockets.

and nanites used for various crafting

[cobalt pewter]

I kinda wanna see a rework in Nanite-based buffs tbh

Confused

Doesn't do jack shit

[crude geode]

indeed.

[remote crystal]

Agreed. And rockets are a very niche subclass imo (but I haven't played Ranger yet)

[crude geode]

bc the only thing that matters in this mod is bosses

[cobalt pewter]

Most enemies are immune to confused anyways

Only like

Those with Zombie AI can get it

[crude geode]

early game a lot of enemies are vulnerable to it, but the time you get to hardmode and especially post-plantera most enemies are immune

[cobalt pewter]

Mhm

And confused is barely there in early game

So like

Why

[crude geode]

actually, it does have a use in the dungeon, cuz I don't think most skeleton enemies are actually immune

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah and just that (maybe pump / frost moon early mobs as well), then they lose relevance REAL fast

[hollow shell]

(also about the Martian spawning item
While people will probably say "Get Fargo's", which is somewhat valid,
Note that we have items which spawn Blood Moons and Sandstorms, and we add a spawn item for Plantera that an NPC sells.)

[cobalt pewter]

Unlike memes like ichor and cal cursed Inferno

[proper grail]

I don't feel the 1.4 Nanite bullet buff was actually good either. They're just heavily nerfed crystal darts

[hollow shell]

Ah, Cyborg isn't female afaik

Aaand I found where the misconception may have come from

[sharp prism]

Wait what

[hot zephyr]

Make Nanites work how Outbreak Perfected works in Destiny 2. Dealing damage (and killing enemies) causes seekers to fly out dealing damage and giving weakened defenses to the enemy

[proper grail]

Oh hey, Beenades WoF strat is now even more viable

[proper grail]

Sounds cool

[hollow shell]

So like
Scourge of the Corruptor/Cosmos, but universal

[hot zephyr]

Kinda, ye

[hollow shell]

I guess Owl didn't see my message

@remote crystal

[proper grail]

This was touched on before

Rover even found why, which was pretty cool

[safe oasis]

would be cool if nanite ammo did the smart bounce thing but you already have chlorophyte stuff by that point

[proper grail]

Imo Nanite bullets should act like Crystal Darts

[remote crystal]

I did not, whats up?

Oh, right, cyborg is a he, apparently

If anything I'm surprised he's a he and not a they

[hollow shell]

They needed to pick one, cuz of King/Queen statues

(I originally thought the Truffle and the Witch Doctor were female, but nah, they both react to the King statue)

well, indeed yes

(they coulda made a Truffle Lord statue and have him get teleported to that instead of the other two)

[whole sedge]

I mean simpler to just use something already existing ig

[hollow shell]

"Not all fungi reproduce sexually and many that do are isogamous (i.e. near-identical morphology); thus, the terms "male" and "female" do not apply to many members of the fungal kingdom."

~ Wikipedia

Fungi are wack

[cobalt pewter]

It does in 1.4

[proper grail]

Badly

It deals like 60% damage and doesn't bounce between enemies, only blocks

[cobalt pewter]

br

Bruh

I thought they bounce around enemies smh

[proper grail]

Nope

Read the wiki

Just a sec

[cobalt pewter]

Ye I did

wtf

[proper grail]

Horrible.

They need to act like actual Crystal Darts

[reef orbit]

has there been a suggestion to abolish the throwing class?

[hollow shell]

No need

It's already gone in vanilla 1.4, and tMod will update to 1.4 soonish

[cobalt pewter]

Isn't tmod keeping it?

Because like

[reef orbit]

ah, gotcha, so i kinda meant, are there plans to replace the throwing class with the rogue class?

[cobalt pewter]

Many mods use it or smth

But since rogue was intended as a backup for when throwing is actually gone, maybe cal will personally abolish it or smth

[hollow shell]

We pretty much already did that replacement
We aren't gonna make anything that is currently throwing become rogue once tMod 1.4 hits

We expanded rogue a lot with its own original stuff to make up for the vanilla throwing stuff it lost

Also, the original plan was for tMod to keep throwing internally

but iirc they encountered trouble with that

I don't know what the current status is

[cobalt pewter]

Ah

[reef orbit]

ah alright, only crossed my mind since i started a new rogue game, and questioned why javelins aren't a rogue weapon.

[hollow shell]

Yeah

s'cuz we don't wanna turn anything from vanilla into a different damage type

[cobalt pewter]

With the magnitude of actually kinda unique vanilla weapon changes in the horizon, honestly giving throwing stuff in vanilla rogue isn't that bad, but idk how the implications would be in code

[hollow shell]

We do have some throwing & rogue compatibility code
iirc a stat boost to one also boosts the other?

[cobalt pewter]

!wiki Rogue

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Rogue

[hollow shell]

Though of course, that'll be going once throwing goes too

Ah, it's one way

Throwing boosts rogue, but rogue doesn't boost throwing

[robust lava]

@hollow shell tModLoader isn’t going to keep any of the weapons/armour as throwing, but they are making a default throwing damage type that will be unused in the base game, but can be used by multiple mods to ensure their throwing boosts work cross-mod

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's what I assumed from the beginning
Is that still the plan, do you know?

[robust lava]

I believe so

[hollow shell]

Okay, that's good

[robust lava]

https://github.com/tModLoader/tModLoader/pull/1146
Added by someone Thomas in fact

[cobalt pewter]

isn't it like on limbo or smth

@sand umbra confirm or cease

[robust lava]

I don't think so, it got merged

[crude geode]

Hey I’m the only one around here that’s allowed to threaten Thomas

that and the devs/mods

[tawny garden]

Nobody is allowed to threaten Thomas

New sugg rule

@Rover

#suggestions-posting message
#wiki-basic message

[crude geode]

Nice job linking a channel not everyone has access to

[earnest cape]

^

[heady storm]

real solution is giving Astral a new set bonus cuz this one is lame
What the second link would give you.

[crude geode]

To be quite honest, reworking nanites is just slapping a bandaid onto the problem that any non-dps influencing debuff is literally unusable in Calamity.

@cobalt pewter

I know it doesn’t invalidate your suggestion, still wanted to bring it up

[cobalt pewter]

Confused is especially problematic because as what Re-Logic said in 1.4.1 (?) notes, each AI needs to be tinkered to be able to take Confused

And there's no way to make the debuff itself viable unless you'd rework it entirely or smth

[safe oasis]

maybe if it lasted longer and made them temporary allies

like binding of isaac charm

[crude geode]

That sounds painful as hell

to code

[safe oasis]

oh yeah fair point

[cobalt pewter]

Or enemies with confused are able to damage other enemies

[safe oasis]

well then again they can always just make the enemy have no contact damage and enable friendly fire for the enemies

but enemy hp pools are gigantic compared to player hp pool so i don’t think that’d do anything

confused is confusing

[crude geode]

To be quite honest, it’s just slapping a bandaid over the problem of “why the fuck would you use a non-damaging/dr affecting debuff in Calamity when 90% of the challenge is bosses”. Bosses just aren’t affected, which means nobody cares.

[safe oasis]

maybe instead of debuffs not working on bosses it could just be lower chance on bosses

[crude geode]

I would prefer some other method tbh, since debuffs like confused are guaranteed.

People say they want actually meaningful debuffs but then they only want the damage of debuffs to matter. Actual variety besides does this much dps or lowers defense/dr by this much would go a long way to making debuffs feel like they matter.

[cobalt pewter]

Even if you'd discount the bosses, Confused just doesn't work for like most of the enemies

But I won't object to that statement out of the current context

[proper grail]

Confused needs a complete rework in my opinion. Something that does damage or reduces defense, or a new unique effect. Right now it's a dead end with no clear way to solve it

[cobalt pewter]

It's also why I don't like how cal treated player-inflicted Electrified

It ruins what's unique of the debuff, discouraging horizontal movement

And that's should also be reflected on the player-inflicted part of said debuff

[earnest cape]

discouraging any movement*

[cobalt pewter]

Nope, if you don't move horizontally, it deals dps comparable to like

On Fire

[earnest cape]

is it only horizontally?

[cobalt pewter]

But if you'd move to sides, the base dps stacks with the boosted dps, resulting in 20dps instead of the listed 16dps

Yeah only horizontally

[earnest cape]

bru

[proper grail]

Perhaps Electrified could inflict DPS based on an enemy's movement speed? That would be useful

[cobalt pewter]

Hmm

After rechecking cal page of Electrified

I don't see any difference with the player and enemy inflicted versions anymore

But here

[earnest cape]

if it also affected enemies then it will be pretty poggers on dog

[cobalt pewter]

DoG is immune

[earnest cape]

cause all his segments+tesla

[cobalt pewter]

Funny you'd think debuffs would be relevant on endgame bosses

[earnest cape]

wait nvm'

i didn't read it properly

[cobalt pewter]

@crude geode you can address that if you'd want

[proper grail]

Immune to all except

[cobalt pewter]

Except it's only the fucking absurd type of debuffs (like Shellfish Claps), and part of a massive function of something (Kami Flu / Demonshade Enrage)

[ashen warren]

yeah debuffs r kinda useless and im kinda sad

[crude geode]

Address what?

[cobalt pewter]

Debuffs

[proper grail]

Kami Flu, the only useful boss debuff

[cobalt pewter]

Being essentially forced to be irrelevant on endgame bosses

[crude geode]

Ohhh make a suggestion about debuffs

Yeah

I’ll make it when I’m not in the middle of a power outage

[cobalt pewter]

oof

[proper grail]

Give me the info and I'll do it if you'd like Cursed

[crude geode]

Washington be quirky like that.

I’ll do it when I can.

[earnest cape]

ooFers

[proper grail]

Okay

Sounds good

[sleek hornet]

btw, can I get the the link to Hage sugg?

[robust lava]

#suggestions-voting message First
#suggestions-voting message Second

[sleek hornet]

thank you so much

[eternal escarp]

dunno bout you but i find it very usefull

[tawny garden]

isn't it already getting the axe

or a toggle?

[eternal escarp]

wait wat

[tawny garden]

I think I heard smth like that

[eternal escarp]

me carpet nuuuu

[tawny garden]

although I might be confusing it with an earlier sugg

[eternal escarp]

imean

i have no idea bout it

[tawny garden]

a lot of people don't like the carpet

I don't care much

[distant gyro]

the

[tawny garden]

that, ye

was approved, cool

[half kayak]

yea boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
wait it was rejected rip

[distant gyro]

almost identical to the suggestion actually

first half approved second half rejected

[half kayak]

deletes suggestion

[tawny garden]

well, this will be a bluecheck

[distant gyro]

it's delivered on oct 2020

[tawny garden]

ah ok

[half kayak]

wait its in config now

[tawny garden]

you could've kept your sugg @half kayak

[half kayak]

or will turning off magic carpet be introduced in drae update

[distant gyro]

approved doesn't mean implemented

you never know the status of approved suggestions

it can be done in a day, a month, 3 months, a year, 2 years, a decade, or never

[half kayak]

o

[distant gyro]

[tawny garden]

bluechecks have a higher chance

they say

I can't look at the statistics, unfortunately

cuz it's difficult to get them

[radiant meadow]

Configs internally combust so no

(see multiplayer desync)

[stable bolt]

the toxic air in the abyss exists to stop people from cheating

[manic gale]

if you could stay in open air in the abyss people would just get infinite oxygen

[spring perch]

I know that

I atleast just want some system for air

[manic gale]

i mean after you get terminus the abyss is useless so maybe then air could become safe but

currently thats kinda endgame

[spring perch]

Unless your like me and get it pre hard mode

[manic gale]

well you can do that

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Had this suggested a while back, didn't take off apparently

[eternal escarp]

meme suggestion? really?

[half kayak]

@rancid saddle breh

[tawny garden]

[half kayak]

🗿

[eternal escarp]

yeah i think we can all speak for mods and say delete this

[gray nebula]

comedian

[rancid saddle]

comedian

[tawny garden]

@dapper coral

[half kayak]

[on break]

[tawny garden]

ah damn it's dead already

[half kayak]

L

[eternal escarp]

well

[unreal viper]

what was it

[eternal escarp]

we saved #suggestions-voting once agian

[tawny garden]

shit

[eternal escarp]

make SSV shit agian

itll be funny

that was litterly it

basically

[rancid saddle]

it really was never shit imo

[eternal escarp]

contrary to that, the meme suggestion was

[pine star]

[rancid saddle]

ok thanks for liking the meme dickass

[gray nebula]

man off his rocker

[unreal viper]

maybe mans on his rocker more than anyone else

[pine star]

haha ech

[dapper coral]

@rancid saddle ffs man, really? you should know the rules by now, especially with the sugg from yesterday
another meme/shitpost suggestion from you and that's a warn

[gray nebula]

tf is that suggestiok

reasonning.

urgency and tragedy on that emote??? what

[pine star]

[stable bolt]

idk this is my first time suggesting

[cobalt pewter]

[gray nebula]

the real gone emote is

now that's tragedy baby

[stable bolt]

should i rename it then

[gray nebula]

nah dw I was joking

[stable bolt]

ah

[sand umbra]

why was I summoned

[cobalt pewter]

About DamageClass stuff

[sand umbra]

that PR was merged

[cobalt pewter]

[sand umbra]

ages ago

it even says it right under the title

[cobalt pewter]

Yes I'm a dumbass

[sand umbra]

are you kiddin' me right now you did not need me to confirm that

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[half kayak]

[remote crystal]

Going on the, endgame abyss no water thing, I think that, in the same chest that Terminus is in, there should be an item that would disable that

Because as mentioned, once Terminus is obtained, by that point the abyss is useless

[manic gale]

there should also be some progression gating

otherwise you could rush to get the item and then cheese the abyss earlygame

[limber ocean]

instant enraged AEW if you enter layer 4 pre ML

[earnest cape]

[manic gale]

you could still probably dodge past it or just use purified jam

but what if there were 3

ig the jam would still work

[earnest cape]

Whats aew

[manic gale]

adult eidolon wyrm

[earnest cape]

Ah

[manic gale]

basically the abyss's dungeon guardian

[earnest cape]

Just use deep diver at that point lol

[cobalt pewter]

I think they don't want Abyss content to be hard gated in anyway beyond current

[earnest cape]

Making it gated is just an odd choice imo

What we really need is a elysian tracer wing resprote

I am brainlet

[manic gale]

the only reason for us talking about gating was because of a suggestion about being able to survive outside of water in the abyss

[earnest cape]

Nah you should die if youre out of water in the abyss

Its an anti cheat thing

So you cant just refill your air by taking a bit of water out or mine blocks

[manic gale]

yeah but someone wanted to be able to build there

[earnest cape]

(Not my problem)

[manic gale]

not mine either i just felt like discussing their idea

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe kill AEW to remove the penalty?

[sleek girder]

what

[robust lava]

@zenith hazel Meme in suggs

[pine star]

@zenith hazel

[gray nebula]

collapse

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

Plebbian moment

[robust lava]

(sorry for double ping )

[eternal escarp]

oh god

[pine star]

It's an actual rickroll though

[remote crystal]

I don't think those are the actual lyrics

[eternal escarp]

time to destroy a child

[remote crystal]

Pretty sure there's more to the verses than just that

[novel belfry]

wtf

[zenith hazel]

and warned @ashen warren

thank god you pinged me just when I was about to go cook lunch

[earnest cape]

[eternal escarp]

lmao

go get that lunch

you deserve it brav

enjoy it

[cobalt pewter]

Habe lunchies

[eternal escarp]

wait brav

#general-talk

[manic gale]

lunch is one of the 3 most important meals of the day

[eternal escarp]

nvm

was taken care of lol

[sleek girder]

again?

[gray nebula]

damn

[pine star]

AGAIN?

@elder kestrel

[elder kestrel]

agh

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

This bastard

[gray nebula]

man doesnt have a life!

[tawny garden]

Good sugg there

[cobalt pewter]

wow

[eternal escarp]

man? more like

uh

[gray nebula]

Fucking looser (then i ping him or smth

[cobalt pewter]

What a dumbass

[eternal escarp]

yeah, more like a looser

[cobalt pewter]

Either way move on, ig

[eternal escarp]

gotteem

[cobalt pewter]

It'd be handled anyways

[gray nebula]

Being tossic in the chat but thats becuase the guy is dumb GO sugges tstuff

[eternal escarp]

so colour transition for tracers

[earnest cape]

Man

I wonder how brainlet peoppe can be

[gray nebula]

sad life to find enjoyment in that

[pine star]

VERY Brainlet

[tawny garden]

So does that mean the wings are going to be all rainbowy and pulsating?

[gray nebula]

i disagree w the sugg because alternating between prov and dog colors is bad juju

also "haha but crafting ingredients" is dumb because uh exoblade

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah

[tawny garden]

Crafting ingredients rarely mean anything tbh

[cobalt pewter]

Though I'm not personally a fan of how the wings look, the colors are fine?

[earnest cape]

Colors fine the wings just looks weird imo

[tawny garden]

tbh

The tracers look fine

(although ig I'm not a great critic )

[dapper coral]

flashbacks to this https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/702587705179242526

not exactly the same but roughly the same concept

[tawny garden]

Denied

[earnest cape]

I just realized your name is cow god

[eternal escarp]

moo

[pine star]

moooooooo

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message died at 95

[hot zephyr]

[pine star]

[pine star]

@crystal iron Already happening

[sleek turret]

The devil is alredy getting re-sprited iirc.

[crystal iron]

Ah, where does it say that, just asking

[tawny garden]

also it's a resprite based on quality sugg

[sleek turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/798290964305281085/Demonshade_showcase.png (taken from #calamity-update-talk)

[tawny garden]

which is a don't

yeah

so it breaks 2 don'ts

[sleek turret]

has been ever a sugg that broke 3 don'ts at the same time?

[tawny garden]

there were several suggs which broke 5 don'ts at once

[sleek turret]

god

they've must be breakin'

[tawny garden]

from what I can remember

[pine star]

Which ones?

[tawny garden]

I don't store random shit into memory

they're somewhere in #deleted-notifications

[pine star]

[ancient crow]

i remember at some point (probably april fools day) a bunch of people worked together to make something that broke as many don'ts as possible

[tawny garden]

Rover wanted to do a contest of don't breaking iirc

a long long time ago

I don't remember it happening tho

[stable bolt]

I'm intrigued to learn more
but this probably isn't the place to talk about it

[pine star]

What was the wretched abomination they made?

[ancient crow]

i don't remember unfortunately

[dapper coral]

correct :D

now stay on topic

[viscid dagger]

Im not sure if this is allowed or not, but what about a suggestion to add different roars to Yharons attack. My reasoning behind this is that the different roars can help newer players differentiate between his attacks, as he uses 1 roar for all of his attacks

[hollow shell]

Two roars, actually
One is shorter

(that shorter roar doesn't get used enough tho)

But I agree with this, and it would be allowed yeah

[viscid dagger]

Alright cool

Ive never heard the 2nd tho

Just his one normal roar is all I hear

[viscid dagger]

Yeah that sounds really short imo

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's meant for the attacks he does a lot, and quickly

so you're not hearing the long one all the time (and it doesn't overlap itself)

[radiant meadow]

@young raven That looks kinda specific? and it's not formatted correctly. You might want to read up on the pinned doc on suggestions.

[pine star]

@young raven Large reworks are a don't

[radiant meadow]

yeah

[young raven]

Oh, sorry, I just thought that it would add a good bit of difficulty to the fight, its fine though

[tawny garden]

oh, that's the roar

[hollow shell]

Yes. That is the roar.

[worthy lintel]

to be fair you really have to know the distinction

when your brain is busy dodging 45 000 fireballs

[pine star]

Nice neon green

[zenith hazel]

adamantite railgun is in the works

[tawny garden]

already happening

[zenith hazel]

check art server

[sleek turret]

Adamantite ver. of Railgun is alredy happening.

[tawny ocean]

ok ill remove that then

still i wonder why they didn't make it alongside the titanium one

[hollow shell]

It's not the only case of its type

There's Demonic Pitchfork and Cursed Capper and the like.

[hot zephyr]

I recommend turning off the background if you're having difficulties telling them apart

[tawny ocean]

i'll try that

[tawny gyro]

i'm thinking about suggesting a change to headpiece names for multi-class armor (victide, reaver, silva etc.)

mainly given how similar some of them are, most melee headpieces are "helms" while most summonet headpieces are "helmets"

or how at reaver tier? i think? "mask" and "facemask" are considered two different things (despite the fact you do wear a mask on your face)

or how the difference between a silva mage and silva summoner hoods is that the other one is horned, and that's it

[dapper coral]

probably should leave reaver alone because things are changing with it in 1.5 anyways

[tawny gyro]

oh yeah, it gets changed from multi-headpiece to just one i think

but the other armors suffer from the same issue

i noticed it when i looked up God Slayer armor and noticed that melee has a "Horned Greathelm" and summoner has a "Horned Helm"

though now that i think about it god slayer and silva are also bad examples

[radiant meadow]

Horned Helm is getting removed ya

[tawny gyro]

since magical god slayer and physical silva is going bye bye

that, yeah

BUT there's still victide, hydrothermic, tarragon etc

not bloodflare since it's different enough

[dapper coral]

you could suggest a rename for thems yeah

[tawny gyro]

i'm gonna do that tommorow though since it's late af where i am, assuming i won't forget

[rancid saddle]

h

[golden narwhal]

Did the guy in #wiki-discussion ever discuss making a sugg about scal's dash telegraph, because yea, might make a sugg on it if they don't plan to

[tawny garden]

don't think so

[rancid saddle]

question, did they nerf scarlet devil? its doing way worse then nanoblack for me rn

[worthy lintel]

no?

scarlet is still the same piece of trash that takes game balance and dumps it in the bin

[rancid saddle]

huh its doing 300k dps for me while nano is does 2m

[tawny garden]

@tacit phoenix are you planning on making a sugg about SCal's dash telegraph?

cuz MrAsianMan might make it if you don't

[tacit phoenix]

he can feel free

idm

[tawny garden]

[tacit phoenix]

[golden narwhal]

[hot zephyr]

[worthy lintel]

Ik where you're getting with it but having 53 different sound cues isn't much better

BUT, I deeply agree Yharon could use more sound cues than his basic roar, I like variety too

[tacit phoenix]

maybe they should make him go translucent

[hollow shell]

Theoretically a unique sound for every attack is the best outcome, cuz then you could play it blind

[worthy lintel]

[tacit phoenix]

If they end up doing that

if ANYONE does it blind

I think they should just inherit the server

[worthy lintel]

Also, sound effect for Sprime rockets when

Silent rockets makes me go hage

[tawny garden]

Yharon blind nohit

[tacit phoenix]

defiled

death

[eternal escarp]

just use femalehurt2.voice for every subphade change

[tawny garden]

the challenge is on

[tacit phoenix]

[tawny garden]

"aah"

[tacit phoenix]

Oh dear god no

I can already hear it

AHHH

[hollow shell]

(weird that I say "Sprime" and my first thought was "Soma Prime" rather than "Skeletron Prime")

[worthy lintel]

I'm too lazy to type Skeletron everytime

[hollow shell]

(I don't play Warframe, I just assumed that was an acronym people use)

[eternal escarp]

(that is very wierd tbh)

(dont peope just call it soma prime, since its easy to say?)

[tacit phoenix]

(gonna have to agree with them here)

[hollow shell]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal escarp]

anyway

[hollow shell]

You could suggest giving Skele Prime's rockets a sound, if you want

[worthy lintel]

I did a long time ago

and it failed to reach threshold

[hollow shell]

You can do it again

[worthy lintel]

[eternal escarp]

god that wouldve been helpfull last week

[worthy lintel]

sorry man

[hollow shell]

Look how close it got
#suggestions-voting message

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[worthy lintel]

WTF

11 AWAY

[eternal escarp]

now 10

[worthy lintel]

ok now im upset

it was so close

[hollow shell]

10 people go vote now

:point:

[worthy lintel]

actually, ima just rewrite it again

literally copy paste

(unless you want to advertise it lol)

[tacit phoenix]

its at 9 now

[eternal escarp]

good

[hollow shell]

Theoretically you should reword things so it has a higher chance of people agreeing with it

Looks pretty good to me tho

[eternal escarp]

byeah, just repost it, peolly better