#suggestions-discussion
pine star
hardy dock
well when you finish discussing Old Die give me a ping
hardy dock
idk
pine star
Because that pfp is nice
fossil finch
no please i want to stay with sanguine flare for polter please i don't have better weps that that please
eternal escarp
aight posting the vid now
cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
forgot to turn arma off but eh
this is what i could get
it kinda shows the pointi hope
basically the same setup
but i switched old die for amalgamated brain cuz
old die 
eternal escarp
lol
crude geode
Post polter is already weapon bloat central what.
You have Old Duke, Abyss, and the weapons from Polter himself
hardy dock
and what do we have from Providence?
crude geode
Arguably the same amount
hardy dock
besides who actually fights Acid Rain lol
grim tusk
https://youtu.be/AUEOyRpoyfU
Fun fact: the dmg boosts except provi lore and old die didnt matter
crude geode
people who like to acknowledge weapons existence
pine star
yeah
crude geode
Abyss weapons are fucking stupid what.
eternal escarp
god that
crude geode
you’d be actively shooting yourself in the foot using Polter drops instead of them
grim tusk
^
hardy dock
i use the abyss weapons
grim tusk
Powercreep hit polter drops hard
hardy dock
yeah
eternal escarp
especially since triploon is bad
crude geode
Undyne’s Retribution is funny
cobalt pewter
Triploon is Plantera demolisher
grim tusk
also does anyone really use abyss weapons from after cal
Undine retrubution, mines, ballistic bomb, megalodon and triploon
cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
Undine retrubution, mines, ballistic bomb, megalodon and triploon
fair point
byeah
crude geode
Byech
eternal escarp
also feedz suggestion died 
hardy dock
ok what tier are we even talking about anymore
eternal escarp
no idea anymore lmao
crude geode
Both Provi and Polter being bloated
crude geode
Provi has her drops, the uelibloom, and bloodstone
hardy dock
and divine geods
eternal escarp
bloodstone too yeah
sand umbra
post-Provi isn't really bloated
eternal escarp
then polet, abyss
sand umbra
moreso thematically/logically dissonant
hardy dock
polters only major effect is Sulphur Sea and Abyss
grim tusk
Polter has Abyss, its drops, Acid rain and OD (which is part of acid rain)
crude geode
You really could say that about all tiers Thomas
grim tusk
DoG tier is gonna be so bloated after the update
crude geode
polters only major effect is Sulphur Sea and Abyss
Provi’s major effect is bloodstone and uelibloom what’s your point
grim tusk
Current ones + darksun
sand umbra
You really could say that about all tiers Thomas
okay smartass, I mean more thematically/logically dissonant than is normal for a Terraria progression tier
hardy dock
Provi’s major effect is bloodstone and uelibloom what’s your point
and those two aren't really connected like Sulphur Sea and Abyss
crude geode
kills plant
Why do I hear screaming from a dungeon on the other side of the world
sand umbra
there's the Sentinels, of course, they're hunting down Provi so it makes sense a rune invoking her energy
there's Uelibloom, pretty pog and makes sense, a sun god releasing plenty of energy is bound to grow some plants
and then there's Bloodstone.
eternal escarp
Current ones + darksun
atleast yharon drops will be viable for scal 
sand umbra
why is Bloodstone post-Provi.
grim tusk
Except nuggets as those were viable alreadt
hardy dock
Bloodstone is pretty connected to Dungeon in a lot of ways
sand umbra
there is nothing about this concept that marks it as suitable for being a Provi unlock. why is it post-Provi.
grim tusk
And chikken cannon no longer is gonna be hearts only cuz magno is trash
crude geode
Bloodstone has always been underutilized as fuck
eternal escarp
why is it dropped by calamitous entities aswell? is there a reason i dont know?
hardy dock
Bloodstone has always been underutilized as fuck
i agree
crude geode
Needs like. a massive rework.
sand umbra
Bloodstone in general is just a massive mess thematically
grim tusk
Dragonblood disgorger
grim tusk
Bloodstone in general is just a massive mess thematically
Agreed
hardy dock
a lot of the weapons feel powerful
sand umbra
it's like the one significant thing I don't like about post-Provi
hardy dock
but its a bit of a slog to get
grim tusk
Weapons are pre-polter but armor is after polter
eternal escarp
bloodstone feels like a post polter thing, but post polter has so much already
cobalt pewter
The buffs for a whopping 3 bosses aren't really needed
tbh
Everyone just goes for the elusive bag stacking anyways
hardy dock
Weapons are pre-polter but armor is after polter
thats one of the main reasons I want bloodstone moved
cobalt pewter
sand umbra
the rest of her unlocks are fine, if anything she could use another unlock or two to drill home that sun energy ---> plant growth setup
make some new special post-Provi herbs, god knows Calamity doesn't have any of those
eternal escarp
i feel like bloodstone should be post sentinels + prov, and pre polter, since that spot is, kinda, empty..??
dunno
cobalt pewter
Sunken Sea herb 
eternal escarp
theres alot of tiers in that spot
crude geode
thorium has a new herb, and it only has a single new biome
hardy dock
i feel like bloodstone should be post sentinels + prov, and pre polter, since th...
yeah that sounds pretty nice
sand umbra
the Sentinels are...weird in terms of how progression for them should be handled
eternal escarp
the Sentinels are...weird in terms of how progression for them should be handled
yeah true
sand umbra
they both are and aren't the post-ML equivalent of the Mechs
crude geode
sentinels aren’t even required
hardy dock
sometimes theyre post-provi, sometimes post-polter
eternal escarp
not even required, tru
sand umbra
they're intended as post-Provi, pre-Polter
eternal escarp
i mean, it feels better if it were behind them before polter, but it still doesnt work thematically nor gameplay wise tbh
fossil finch
post dog tier in 1.5 real fun
crude geode
technically they are
Not really
sand umbra
with Polter by extension being jammed between the Sentinels and DoG (though now OD exists as well ig)
crude geode
OD exists to be a headache
sand umbra
the problem is that anything you could have the Sentinels unlock after being yeeted is, 93 times out of 100, better suited either for DoG, for Provi, or for Polter
hardy dock
you have to fight them during dog anyway
crude geode
There needs to be not 3 “major” bosses in a row. One of these things needs to be toned down, and it’s called Polter.
Byech
Moving Bloodstone isn’t the answer, reworking it would be much better IMO
eternal escarp
polter isnt actually needed tbh, unless you want OD and acid rain tbh
hardy dock
and auric armor?
crude geode
^
sand umbra
Moving Bloodstone isn’t the answer, reworking it would be much better IMO
moving something else and connecting Bloodstone to that something else is the true answer
hardy dock
unless youre summoner
cobalt pewter
You don't need polter for auric armor?
hardy dock
bloodflare
crude geode
~~move brimmy to post ml 
~~
hardy dock
as long as bloodstone and bloodflare are on the same tier im happy
crude geode
Ah yes
hardy dock
thats all i ask
crude geode
The fabled “pls rework Ravager so he’s not a mess”
cobalt pewter
The funne farm boss
sand umbra
indeed
cobalt pewter
That's the sole reason the boss exists
sand umbra
someday I'll actually be able to pitch something like that maybe
crude geode
Go suggest something, Bc my thing about reworking ravager to be more focused around stone necromancy instead of the shit tons of random nonsense he has now got into voting
manic gale
rav is just a material farm after the first fight
sand umbra
post-Provi-ish Ravager, relates to Bloodstone
hardy dock
nerf ravager to hell
crude geode
Fight a post ml boss in pre-boss hardmode
hardy dock
tawny garden
I just thought
Maybe moving Ravager isn't the answer either
cobalt pewter
remove ravager
tawny garden
delete ravager
cobalt pewter
sharp prism
FUck
crude geode
myes ty philo very cool
sharp prism
thats waht i was gonna say
sand umbra
if you remove Ravager then Polter gets Bloodstone
eternal escarp
tbh ravager after provi is way better imo, and you can make the tier shifts that happen atm less major, since post ML will have another major ish boss
and makes bloodstone better, and dont need to fight him twice, and treasure bag cheesing from ravager even (which isnt a big problem byeah)
only things are, his HM accesories will be
yknow
cringe
pine star
Or his weapons
pine star
I guess so
eternal escarp
maybe dsome can
pine star
Funny Spikerock
crude geode
His weapons suck besides like funny spike rock and healing knives
eternal escarp
indeed
pine star
Ultimus Cleaver is ok
pine star
Like in terms of strength
eternal escarp
byeah point is
if you move in to post provi pre polter / sentinels, you can make bloodstone inbetween
pine star
That said, WHY DOES ULTIMUS CLEAVER MOONWALK AGAIN?
crude geode
Moonwalk
eternal escarp
and fix some small cheese, and fix (kinda?) post Golem's wierdness
pine star
So this kills many birds with one stone
pine star
one bloodstone*
haha ech
crude geode
Moving Rav does not fix Late HM
eternal escarp
i mean, i dont really understand the actuall problem with post golem other then it just feeling wierd for me
so you know better
crude geode
Late HM is bad Bc outclass central, and why the fuck would you fight any of the Late HM bosses (anything inbetween Clone and LC) when you could just do the essential bosses and use the Lunar Fragment weapons that are a thousand times better? It’s like hellstone skip on steroids because you’re actively encouraged to do it
sand umbra
☝️
pine star
ANYTHING IN BETWEEN CALCLONE AND LC?
cobalt pewter
LC is a massive fuck
pine star
I thought it was Golem and LC
crude geode
Nope, Anahita and Aureus suffer too
pine star
the community
eternal escarp
ah i see
tawny garden
Even Clone might suffer
crude geode
~~the community~~
Farm it later
eternal escarp
so movong ravager wont really fix much, other then the fact its 1 less boss you skip
crude geode
indeed
pine star
That said, moving Rav still fixes a lot of stuff
cobalt pewter
It's somewhat of an advanced Golem, but still messy, but right after Golem? But hdjdjdkckkcc
What's happening
tawny garden
I remember that they were buffing LC a year ago
"It will be really hard now", they said
eternal escarp
tbh just move ravager and actually make LC need the drops from fish, PBG and stuff
eternal escarp
i dont see any downside atm
crude geode
hm wonder if that’s been suggested
eternal escarp
yeah i remember your suggestion
pine star
*hm* wonder if that’s been suggested
SEVEN TIMES ALREADY?
hollow plaza
it should be harder the first time at least
tawny garden
There's only one way to buff LC
make a huge late-HM powercreep
crude geode
I’m not, Bc post ml is eating up a lot of time and this is a Chonky rework
pine star
I'm more surprised at the SEVEN FUCKING TIMES
tawny garden
hollow plaza
but i mean who does the events more than once anyways
eternal escarp
I’m not, Bc post ml is eating up a lot of time and this is a Chonky rework
fair, feels like a suggestion that should be asked directly, but no idea how that ca work out
crude geode
I’m just glad it at least got to dev this time through the power of chonk
eternal escarp
lmao
pine star
SIZE
eternal escarp
lets hope for the better on that, and the fact we need to also suggest moving ravager to later on tbh
i still like that idea aswell lol
pine star
also someone should put that blasterd basterd on the sugg regulars alignment chart
eternal escarp
im the clueless
crude geode
@sand umbra suggest reworking/moving Ravager or I will beat you to death
eternal escarp
^ please do, oh smart one
tawny garden
crude geode
He’s smarter than me but I shall still beat him to death
eternal escarp
~~also someone should put that blasterd basterd on the sugg regulars alignment c...
wait, what chart?
eternal escarp
what if
crude geode
So is Rover but look where he is now
eternal escarp
lmao
crude geode
In democracy hell
tawny garden
devmocracy*
eternal escarp
lol
pine star
haha
tawny garden
As I said tho
LC was already buffed several times before in the recent times
You can see that it didn't go well
Cuz
crude geode
LC buffs also do shit like make it so the ritual doesn’t matter
pine star
BUFF THE FUCKER MORE
crude geode
so it’s not really the best designed buffs
eternal escarp
may i ask how was he buffed? just curious
crude geode
^
tawny garden
If you buff him more, he'll become really hard to kill even with on-tier weapons
eternal escarp
oh
sand umbra
now then
crude geode
Making LC an actually challenging boss instead of a roadbump that barely matters? What a bad thing.
eternal escarp
idk how this idea goes but
just thought of it
make LC post deus and buff LC to fit that maybe..?
prolly bad idea tho
tawny garden
Making LC an actually challenging boss instead of a roadbump that barely matters...
No like
I mean that weapons that were designed against him will become useless against him
sand umbra
name three
cobalt pewter
Long answer
sand umbra
go ahead, I'll wait
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
If you buff him more, he'll become really hard to kill even with on-tier weapons
He's already easy to kill?
eternal escarp
cant think of any
crude geode
Pog, I don’t have to beat Thomas to death
cobalt pewter
People would vehemently prefer doing cultist first over anything post Golem
eternal escarp
also thsnk you thomas, very cool
pine star
Pog, I don’t have to beat Thomas to death
why did you say that like you wanted to beat thomas to death
tawny garden
eternal escarp
philo tbh
crude geode
that implies that’s at all necessary
pine star
alsmost everything except corpus sucks
Ultimus is ok
sand umbra
I love how you can't name any weapons that were designed against Cultist so you're trying to pull the wiki on me
tawny garden
I love how you can't name any weapons that were designed against Cultist so you'...
Well, in vanilla there are none, I'll give you that
crude geode
I like how Plague Staff is recommended for Cultist even tho it’s nigh impossible to hit the fucker with it
sand umbra
good fucking luck hitting Cultist with Plague Staff
crude geode
same wavelength moment
eternal escarp
as someone who played rogue and ranger, im certain other then corpus you litterly dont have much
sand umbra
poor thing's projectiles move at the pace of a disabled snail
pine star
chloro bullets "save the day"
eternal escarp
imo tleast
eternal escarp
feed
cobalt pewter
Because rogue weapons are kinda shit pre cultist
crude geode
Cultist is a ridiculously bad boss.
eternal escarp
exactly
sand umbra
Feedza if you speak of Skyfin one more time I'm going to personally ensure that it gets skyfin bombed into the ground
cobalt pewter
I mean
eternal escarp
i loce cultist on paper
cobalt pewter
It already did
sand umbra
they will never be viable again
eternal escarp
ut in action
cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
the boss is just bad sadly
eternal escarp
cultist can be so much begter prolly
sand umbra
LC's only a bad boss because both vanilla and Cal do him dirty
vanilla already undercut like 80% of his potential moveset
sand umbra
and then Calamity comes around and makes his one significant gimmick completely unnecessary to actually learn about
crude geode
He has this cool magical variety attack theme that calamity doesn’t support, and vanilla says “no, die in two seconds” to.
eternal escarp
i stand by that
crude geode
The eidolon wyrm is more of a boss than cultist
eternal escarp
i would love an LC rework, like we mentioned before
crude geode
not adult one
eternal escarp
it can just be, better
sand umbra
I will push for LC's rituals being made relevant again until the day I die because they're like the best thing he has
but nobody utilizes them
and then when I push for it people are like "noooo, what are you doin', my funny gateway boss that dies in two seconds, noooo"
crude geode
LC’s rituals summon moon lord if he gets to too many of them
eternal escarp
unironically, i find fargos gimmick of staying close to LC kindof interesting, since going away makes most of his attacks trivial af
tawny garden
LC’s rituals summon moon lord if he gets to too many of them
Funnily enough, that would make sense considering vanilla lore 
crude geode
Golem: irrelevant boss that receives no love
Calamity: time to tenderly care for this child
Lunatic Cultist: also irrelevant
Calamity: kicks it to the fucking curb face first, breaking it’s skull
cobalt pewter
I will push for LC's rituals being made relevant again until the day I die becau...
Honestly yeah
sand umbra
to be perfectly blunt I don't care how he's "supposed to" die in two seconds or he's "meant to be a gateway boss", none of that, I want Cultist to be a good goddamn boss
and unfortunately that means you have to actually play the video game that you spent 20 dollars on
cobalt pewter
I don't understand how spamming in the general direction of the ritual is
pine star
Golem: *irrelevant boss that receives no love*
Calamity: time to tenderly care f...
you're gorgeous, Golem
YOU FUCKING DONKEY, LC
cobalt pewter
Remotely interesting
eternal escarp
to be perfectly blunt I don't care how he's "supposed to" die in two seconds or ...
^ god fucking dammit theres so much potential in litle cult penguin
fossil finch
thomas wtf are you on terraria is 10$
pine star
to be perfectly blunt I don't care how he's "supposed to" die in two seconds or ...
Someone gifted Terraria to me
So I spent no money on it
sand umbra
is it?
pine star
sand umbra
I thought it was 20
crude geode
hm the true mystery of terraria design, what is it’s cost
cobalt pewter
Indeed
crude geode
Wacky.
sand umbra
well either way it's still a video game that you spent 10 dollars on
eternal escarp
yeah
sand umbra
it's not a fuckin' movie or a visual novel it's a video game
eternal escarp
^ god fucking dammit theres so much potential in litle cult penguin
.
pine star
well either way it's still a *video game* that you spent 10 dollars on
I spent no money on it, I got it gifted to me
crude geode
Calamity spends more time trying to make every worm boss a fight than the boss with potential depth already in it
cobalt pewter
Suggest LC rework tom
pine star
😳
sand umbra
now HOW this isn't clear to some people that I'm sure will walk right on in here and tell me that my ideas make no sense because playing the game is a bad thing in their eyes, I have no idea
eternal escarp
cursed suggested it already didnt he
cobalt pewter
I can't recall 
eternal escarp
ah
crude geode
3 times 
pine star
sand umbra
but if you paid 10 dollars to hold the left mouse button and like 2 directions for 3 days you got ripped off big time
sand umbra
good, you got your money's worth
eternal escarp
we get it man
crude geode
^
pine star
good, you got your money's worth
haha
crude geode
Byech.
cobalt pewter
That's why I've been liking doing stuff for Orchid mod lately, I feel less braindead than usual
crude geode
Thomas would be shooting himself in the foot if he suggested something right now.
sand umbra
I would, that's why I'm not suggesting anything else currently
eternal escarp
i would, but my english sucks
sand umbra
I'm gonna wait anywhere between 12 and 24 hours and then I'm gonna try pushing for Cultist rituals being returned to their former glory if not even better
cobalt pewter
I would, but I'm not as experienced in boss design yet
crude geode
I would, but I'm not as experienced in boss design yet
compared Lunatic Cultist to Golem or even Destroyer/EoW and you have some logic there already
cobalt pewter
Probably I'm not as confident
Byeah
Massive offtopic
Lemme read uh
Thomas' doc thing
eternal escarp
same ye
crude geode
Cool, I am going to go nap
pine star
see ya when you wake up
eternal escarp
cya when you fall asleep 😳
pine star
cya when you fall asleep 😳
tawny garden
Cya Cursed
pine star
Buff infinite pierce RESIST
sand umbra
that is the most straightforward possible wordin' he could've used
cobalt pewter
Y'all get fucking nerfs
tawny garden
keep the wording
if the wording is confusing enough so that people think it's a buff and not a nerf, it's to your advantage
cobalt pewter
pine star
sand umbra
hardy dock
thank you
unreal viper
This armor sugg did not pass, unlike the reaver one.
tawny garden
unreal viper
I wonder why.
unreal viper
Imma look at both of them and see if there's a difference,
sharp prism
most of the daedalus armor's set bonus are bland
gray nebula
unreal viper
I feel like mostp eople use it
pine star
I agree with this change
unreal viper
It's not bad, just kinda there.
hollow shell
"Cryogen, the first hardmode."
sharp prism
imo the melee set bonus should be like the 1.4 titianum set bonus but for true melee
unreal viper
lol
tawny garden
"Cryogen, the first hardmode."
hollow shell
there ya go
unreal viper
I noticed that my reaver sugg pointed out that some of the reaver sets were outclassed by other armors, rather than simply existing with em, might be why the reaver one passed.
brittle nexus
I know the infinite piercing suggestion was a while ago but I have to talk about it.
Seriously, that is a highly optimized arena, and you have to get aquatic scourge in a straight line to get that much dps with palladium javelin.
with that arena you just fly up really high with him lined up, then fall down really fast with him straight.
in a normal playthrough if someone went through the effort to build an arena that size and get the right accessories to line up aquatic scourge like that, I think they deserve the dps. palladium javelin would rarely be used again, really, if infinite piercing resistance was increased.
and the nohit video, yeah no. that's the weapon at its literal maximum.
tawny garden
look at these nerds who use build arenas
ye lol
hardy dock
semi-flat plane will do everything you need it to
I have a flat plane in the jungle and just slope my ice biome and that does everything
grim tusk
I noticed that my reaver sugg pointed out that some of the reaver sets were outc...
Reaver mage says hi
But yea outclassed by brimflame and spectre, all of em are pretty broken
Brimflame is viable for the entire game as long as you’re good at dodging, Spectre has insane survivavility with its lifesteal and has good dmg, and reaver mage is op af against fat targets and worms (this includes DoG) even after getting 4 nerfs
hardy dock
I was thinking
Unless Spectre Armor has a softcap that could be potentially OP against Expert Mode Scal
grim tusk
Remember old ranger reaver
hardy dock
no 
grim tusk
Unless Spectre Armor has a softcap that could be potentially OP against Expert M...
Nebula armor would be op in multiplayer
grim tusk
no <:PensiveCore:658879827981369385>
Take a look: https://youtu.be/YXVUOfKGaRI
Note: that strat is ded
Everything got capped
worthy lintel
using bean i see
hardy dock
Wait Storm youre the guy I sent the video of me melting another modded boss
hardy dock
ye
grim tusk
Also thank fuck Yharon’s death ring of instakill is gone
hardy dock
yeah
now he only has death walls of instakill
well anyway I managed to get the kill even lower
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message
Yea daedalus rogue is outclassed by forbidden and titan heart
Forbidden mage is slightly better
Daedalus summon helm is used in the funni mixed set combo though
Daedalus/reaver helm + spider/tiki/spooky/fathom chest piece and forbidden pants
But daedalus summoner full set is beaten by OoA armors, Full spider, and Forbidden
unique kite
don't buff pierce resist on all worms, just change the way it works so that consecutive hits do reduced damage per hit
half kayak
@hardy dock then polter natural spawn and necro beacon would need be moved to post prov since u can fight polter pre-prov
hardy dock
so?
sharp prism
i dont see your point
unique kite
just buffing pierce resist is how we ended up with current destroyer
fuck that noise
hardy dock
why would you move it
half kayak
why would you move it
bloodflare shouldnt be pre-prov
hardy dock
just buffing pierce resist is how we ended up with current destroyer
fuck that n...
we are done with this discussion
if you want to fight a boss early you should be rewarded
Hydrothermic Armor can be obtained without beating a single mech boss
half kayak
if you want to fight a boss early you should be rewarded
well i didnt get rewarded for reaching sunken sea before ds as summoner 🗿
half kayak
if you want to fight a boss early you should be rewarded
you dont get reaper teeth and valediction pre-polterghast if u kill a reaper shark pre-polter
hardy dock
that's not breaking progression
sharp prism
bloodflare shouldnt be pre-prov
- Any suggestions to remove Calamity's non-linearity changes.
grim tusk
Hydrothermic Armor can be obtained without beating a single mech boss
You need picksaw, lunar pickaxe or martian drill so 
sharp prism
thats in the don'ts doc
hardy dock
You need picksaw, lunar pickaxe or martian drill so <:fals:613825654634315778>
yeah
you can beat golem before the mechs in calamity
half kayak
oh
grim tusk
But the tier unlocked is post-Golem
hardy dock
yeah so beating a boss early rewards the player
grim tusk
It aint pre-mechs anymore
half kayak
then why is bloodflare post prov
unique kite
he didn't say pre mechs, he said without beating a single mech boss
you can be post golem without beating a mech boss
grim tusk
hardy dock
yeah thats my point
hardy dock
then why is bloodflare post prov
same reason God Slayer is post-prov
half kayak
actually ye
but what does polter have to do with blood- nvm
dungeon doesnt have anything to do with the abyss besides being near it
hardy dock
g e n o c i d e
hardy dock
well dead bodies were thrown into the Sulfurous Seas
half kayak
polterghast already has the "oh u killed something before u were supposed to here u go" thing
half kayak
well dead bodies were thrown into the Sulfurous Seas
sulphur sea*
half kayak
polterghast already has the "oh u killed something before u were supposed to her...
with omega blue armor btw
hardy dock
and those same dead bodies probably possessed Polterghast
half kayak
ik the lore
hardy dock
Or made it up
half kayak
was just getting stuck
so thats why sulphur sea aka acid rain is affected
but that doesnt explain abyss getting affected
tawny garden
the dead bodies don't sink
half kayak
the bottom of sulphur sea but not the abyss yet
tawny garden
they float
pine star
well where do you think the dead bodies sunk to
Decomposition
hardy dock
thats why Polter affects Abyss
half kayak
hardy dock
half kayak
k thx
but i think polter shouldnt get the "rewarding u for doin something early" thing again because it already has that with reaper tooth necklace, gamma heart, omega blue armor, etc
gaunt quest
Daedelus armor getting a rework would be cool because yah there are a lot of armors at that time. Rogue may not be a good idea because of Titan armor
ashen warren
imagine it synergizing with blade staff
gaunt quest
Well that depends on if queen slime is pre cryogen or post cryogen because you may not have blade staff if it's pre cryo
zealous ridge
eh, might depend idk
unique kite
queen slime is definitely going to be pre cryogen
but yeah daedalus armour should be reworked, the set bonus is pretty worthless and it's basically glorified adamantite armour but with even more stats
gaunt quest
Well then it depends on if blade staff is not worse then any post cryo summons
zealous ridge
blade staff is godly in vanilla
but like, who knows when balancing comes along
either way, i agree on daedalus
i just have no idea what it's niche should be
and if it should even be early mech tier, because there's already a ton of armor there
gaunt quest
Yah aren't there like 6 armor sets pre mechs lol
zealous ridge
more than that
unique kite
honestly yeah it's so fucking overloaded
zealous ridge
6 from ore sets alone
unique kite
there's 6 ores, frost, forbidden, etc.
zealous ridge
then theres frost, forbidden, titan heart, mollusk, spider
gaunt quest
I am not including the other half of ore armors because you only get 3 in a world
Without fishing and what not
zealous ridge
still 8 armors
zealous ridge
i dont agree
unique kite
except palladium
zealous ridge
yeah, palladium is good as hell
zealous ridge
and melee speed boost on cobalt is crazy
unique kite
or cobalt
fossil finch
nobody makes t2 armors, t1 armors are useful to make the t3
unique kite
melee speed is a pretty useless stat except on true melee
crystal iron
I make orichalcum
zealous ridge
t2 armors have the least use i guess, orichalcum has some optimization shenanigans though
gaunt quest
There are a lot of armors pre mechs lol way too many imo
zealous ridge
the helmet giving insane crit chance
unique kite
really the only armours that matter are adamantite for niche cases, titanium, frost, forbidden, and spider
but that's still 5 fucking sets pre boss
zealous ridge
nah, adamantite id argue better than titanium pretty often
raw stats might be preferrable to free damage negated
pine star
nah, adamantite id argue better than titanium pretty often
And in 1.4, no one argues about their equality
unique kite
the only case adamantite is better from what i've found is for melee players who don't give a shit about getting hit
zealous ridge
theres also non-vanilla sets here as well
fossil finch
molusk armor when it does not exist
zealous ridge
especially, yeah
unique kite
for ranger, mage, and summoner there's better sets than adamantite for preboss hm
adamantite is only useful for melee
unique kite
ranger gets frost, mage and summoner get forbidden
zealous ridge
im gonna have to say no to both of those last ones
forbidden kind of is not amazing
spider, however, is pretty powerful
i see mage getting a lot of use out of adamantite
mana cost reduction and high max mana
zealous ridge
reduced mana usage?
unique kite
mana doesn't matter because mana regen potions are broken as fuck
unique kite
i say make daedalus armour a rogue set
zealous ridge
okay, i dont like that mostly because of titan heart
gaunt quest
Wouldn't it compete with Titan armor then?
zealous ridge
i think the more important thing to consider here, is what it would offer instead of the other options
unique kite
ok just checked, titanium armour gives mage waaay more damage
zealous ridge
huh?
unique kite
basically adamantite gives you mana which is a problem that nobody has while titanium gives you more damage and more sustainability
fossil finch
as a mage mana reduction is confirmed pretty strong
Those seconds you don't attack are still dps lost, the less you need to recharge, the better
unique kite
crit chance and damage increase are basically linear, you can just add them together to get an accurate estimate of their application
zealous ridge
how did you add these, because you didnt say anything about this here
you just showed the damage bonuses, it looks like
wouldn't you add 24 instead of 12? like, its confusing me
unique kite
24 for which one
oh shit adamantite helmet adds 12% crit also
ok so it's 39% for adamantite and 36% for titanium my bad
zealous ridge
so it is better stats
zealous ridge
and reduced mana usage, lowering amount of breaks
titanium is for sustain, adamantite is more for volume of fire and a bit more damage
generally, pretty equal id say?
ranger can use either, both have good damage boosts for him
titanium is more impactful, though
unique kite
frost is better for ranger
zealous ridge
to be fair, ranger doesnt need anything else
because hes fucking insane damage
still sucks either way
unique kite
mage does more damage than ranger in calamity at almost every stage
well, besides meme riv like halibut
fossil finch
ranger is cringe anyways
zealous ridge
ranger is bad yea
mage is made better by negating mana issues and just giving the class more power in accessories, basically
so id see it being better
and also just how the weapons work
generally ranger weapons in cal arent as good as the added mage weapons
fossil finch
mage is cool and not cringe basically
unique kite
until chloro bullets ranger is always at a disadvantage because the other 3 fuckers all home
unique kite
mage is cringe as fuck
basically summoner but you have to constantly keep resummoning your 1 time use minions
zealous ridge
god damn
dont diss my homie like that
arguably, you have a point, but this is just because of how calamity handles the class
its more fun in vanilla from what ive played
cal makes mana even less of an issue
unique kite
in vanilla it shoots a lot less homing projectiles and does a lot less damage
also you have to use mana flower
fossil finch
how is mage cringe???
and what the fuck with the summons
what mage weps can be even considered summons what the fuck
like yeah there's that one funny dungeon clam wep used in dance of light, crim cloud, and cloud but
uhh
zealous ridge
thats kind of my point, more methods are added that arent mana flower
fossil finch
yeah cuz calamity added mana regen pots apparently
zealous ridge
nah, not really what i meant
theres aureus cells which are just grindable mana regen+power
astral injection
unique kite
mage spams homing shit for the most part
zealous ridge
and less risky weapons, yeah
unique kite
either that or screen nuke shit
zealous ridge
reduces total mana spent bc you kill things faster
fossil finch
yes, ik about those, but i mean about the "also you have to use mana flower"
you don't
you never had
Only in prism and even then
zealous ridge
or at least more efficiently
i also dont agree with that but like
its really good
unique kite
in vanilla you have less sources of constant mana regen
so lobotomising yourself and going with chug method is efficient
fossil finch
you only really need that one pot tbh
unique kite
also in vanilla shit has less hp in general so less thinking
fossil finch
losing up to 50% damage constantly still bad when waiting 3 seconds solves that man
unique kite
if you're managing to go up to 50% damage lost from mana sickness you need to change something
be it weapon, armour, playstyle, or brain
waiting 3 seconds is the equivalent of missing like 4 or 5 crystal serpent shots, for example
even if each of those does 25% less damage it's still a net gain
and as long as you're not chugging the weak shit from the sketchy irishman at the pub, you'll regen plenty of mana from each chug so you don't constantly lose
tawny garden
if you're managing to go up to 50% damage lost from mana sickness you need to ch...
that 50% isn't there for long
and when I needed to use the potions I was distracted by a lot of other things so I didn't notice any difference
remote crystal
Buff Crabulon post Moon Lord
- give mushroom biomes a use beyond Truffle
- more mushroom items, always a positive
- let's me hear sick ass Dokuro music for more than 10 seconds
hollow shell
mm, sounds pretty weak
There's been suggs to buff it post-Plantera and make it drop Shroomite Bars
and that's more thematically fitting
fossil finch
yes.
remote crystal
Agreed
fossil finch
better for post plant farming help yeah
tawny garden
let's me hear sick ass Dokuro music for more than 10 seconds
remote crystal
Buff Crabulon post Plantera
- plant together strong
- drops shroomite bars, implying they're in the game beyond looking it up
- more mushroom items, always a positive
- lets me hear that sick ass Dokuro music for more than 10 seconds
radiant meadow
Can always just play the music from youtube or spotify or something.
dapper coral
why exactly are more mushroom items a positive
remote crystal
I like how they look. The deep blue is a nice aesthetic
radiant meadow
Shroomite already has plenty of presence without Crabulon.
tawny garden
fossil finch
when buff for non existant spirit boss in post plant that drops spectre bars so us mages have an easier way to make an armor we don't use since brimstone mage one exists when
radiant meadow
It crafts a fundamental ranger set.
tawny garden
I like how they look. The deep blue is a nice aesthetic
that's subjective
dapper coral
that just sounds like beeg weapon bloat or something tbh, if the reasoning is because you like the aesthetic
radiant meadow
More melee swords? I'm down
tawny garden
n
remote crystal
I never said it didn't have presence, I meant there's no implications of them existing in game, aside from Truffle existing, which in itself is odd to achieve and put of the way
radiant meadow
You could say that about a lot of things.
golden narwhal
I mean, there would also be no implication that a crabulon buff would exist
remote crystal
I would picture either a similar message to the dungeon buff would occur, or it would be similar to the Giant Clam buff
hot zephyr
tbh I think it'd be cooler for Crabulon to be buffed post-golem but also drop Shroomite as an alternative way to farm it
zealous ridge
i still dont like crab getting shroomite drops and a buff post golem
just, in general its a pretty bad precedent because boss refights are so boring
civic notch
Ok but problem ian
Crabulon is specifically designed around low mobility
A lot of shit crab does becomes completely useless with even mid tier wings
fossil finch
who cares give him x10 the stats and let it be "jjaj funny farming method" and move on
fossil finch
or give him new attacks like a sane human
fossil finch
dunno man
civic notch
Since either A: Projectiles are dependent on player position, which absolutely sucks to fight (see: Dragonfolly)
Or B: It’s based on crab’s position
Which as I said gets invalidated with wings
hot zephyr
Crabulon is specifically designed around low mobility
I mean, it was the same for funny clam mini-boss.
civic notch
Yeah but calamitas is at least not totally immobile
fossil finch
how is clam not totally immobile
it literally does not move
hot zephyr
No I didn't :p
civic notch
Also with clam the environment is designed to restrict movement
Even with wings it won’t help that much
hot zephyr
I mean
heady storm
Shroomite is made easier to obtain in Calamity already.
hot zephyr
You get a free flipper n gills pot from DS
civic notch
Yeah but that’s before you fight the first time
heady storm
If anything suggest Crabulon drop more seeds to encourage farming on the surface early.
novel belfry
accidently pressed the + button, somehow also pressed enter as well
cobalt pewter
don't buff pierce resist on all worms, just change the way it works so that cons...
That's exactly what I meant
hardy dock
I swear to god we are done with this piercing discussion
unique kite
That's exactly what I meant
i completely changed my mind just give scoog more defense or something
he's the one made of room temperature butter, no need for sweeping changes
hollow shell
Okay but why Calamity
eternal escarp
was aboutta say that lol
seems like a more of a side mod that someone can make in their free time more then something calamity benefits from
also, isnt it supposed to be a bit harder to switch mid battle, because of the fact its kindof strong if you know how to do it fast?
crude geode
@ashen warren see the above
ashen warren
ok
rich iris
I'm way late on this but I really like the idea of brimstone crag getting it's own background. It's a really cool biome and could definitely use more fleshing out beyond just the brimstone elemental fight.
hot wind
i feel like, the chests on the brimstone crag biome should have better loot, the loot they have right now is for pre-hardmode, but the enemies that spawn there are hardmode tier, usually killing the player in one hit, not only that but, you can only break the blocks to reach the chests(unless you are lucky and got a chest that don't need to break blocks) in the brimstone crag with drax/pickaxe axe or onyx excavator
i think i should've posted this on suggestions-posting maybe i guess
eternal escarp
i mean, you can craft a suggestion i think
doesnt seem like something bad
read the doc first tho
hot wind
ok so i only need a reason for it to be a "good suggestion" i guess
frail mantle
you don't need pickaxe axe or drax to mine brimstone slag
earnest cape
you at least need titanium/adamantite pickaxe
frail mantle
eah
earnest cape
if you're having lag while using it for astrum deus then use star of destruction which is equally as good
cobalt pewter
Asking Malachite to not lag is like asking the universe to not exist
fossil finch
NICE
tawny garden
Asking Malachite to not lag is like asking the universe to not exist
Malachite, please don't lag
fossil finch
there you go the universe imploded
tawny garden
...fuck, you promised me that the Universe would destroy itself
it didn't happen yet
ashen warren
pretty sure there was a sugg about deus splitting into orange and blue worms but idk if that got approved
earnest cape
Malachite, please don't lag
Phantasmal ruin, please don't lag on dog
fossil finch
pretty sure it's also a don't
since it mentions changing vanilla wordlgen
tawny garden
changing vanilla worldgen isn't a don't
crude geode
hardcoded*
After all, golem arena generation was changed (not in a sugg, but it was changed)
It’s mainly to prevent impossible suggestions from being suggested
fossil finch
yeah but how the shit did it even scape from the mods eye
eternal escarp
noidea lol
tawny garden
I thought it was ok
and it doesn't strictly break anything
so I didn't ping anyone
and Ben didn't object, as he usually does if the sugg is impossible to do
tawny garden
it mentions the cracked bricks, but only in passing, and it doesn't affect the main point of the sugg
so I reckon it's fine
manic gale
fixing dungeon generation isnt the calamity devs' job
eternal escarp
generation itself indeed isnt, yeah
tawny garden
that's fair
eternal escarp
someone suggested an arena once, which makes sense
since calamity requires arenas kinda
byeah this one isnt rly
yeah
but tbh
it either wont pass at all
or just get rejected
dont make a fuss bout that lol
tawny garden
let it stay
white canyon
is my astrum deus suggestion good
being able to tell the difference between the 2 worms is a live saver imo
eternal escarp
it was suggested a while before iirc
white canyon
what
tawny garden
is my astrum deus suggestion good
ye
white canyon
eternal escarp
i agree that making them diffrent is great tho
suggestion itself is fine tho yeah
tawny garden
it was suggested a while before iirc
it wasn't
fossil finch
and even then the things he wants fixed are not really a problem for almost nobody
those small rooms are small enough you now they are dead ends before entering, and chests on spikes uh
is that really a problem
eternal escarp
oh it wasnt?
tawny garden
I would've remembered that
eternal escarp
i was sure a similiar concept was thrown around, damn
fossil finch
yes i like astrum deus having their lights colored differently on phase 2 proceed good sugg
tawny garden
there were a bunch of suggs for these worms
eternal escarp
henceforth.
tawny garden
but no recolor sugg
cobalt pewter
fixing dungeon generation isnt the calamity devs' job
Not when 1 and a third of bosses need Dungeon
eternal escarp
Not when 1 and a third of bosses need Dungeon
generation doesnt matter
this sugg is about the generation itself feed
unlike that one suggestion about adding an arena
eternal escarp
i mean, fair
zenith hazel
and you can see how the vanilla devs handled temple gen
eternal escarp
but auric armor is prolly something everyplayer will get
since its prty much recommended
as of now, ofc
since new update stuff might change this
zenith hazel
also, polterghast doesn't strictly need dungeon
eternal escarp
yeah true
cobalt pewter
I should probably specify that one yes
zenith hazel
and even then, you can make a dungeon arena by using unsafe walls, etc.
you have ways to circumvent things
eternal escarp
we all know they suggested it because the are lazy and cant do the work themselves
zenith hazel
precisely
zenith hazel
let's not make things too streamlined
eternal escarp
yeah
crude geode
Polterghast doesn’t strictly need dungeon, but it’s not like you can expect the average player to know that since it’s only summonable in the dungeon.
iirc
and the enemies that spawn it naturally come from the dungeon
eternal escarp
doesnt it mention it? also the fact youd kill enough phantospirits to triger him can teach the average player imo (trigger before you can craft the summon, that is)
crude geode
And it’s heavily related to the dungeon
crude geode
Yes
eternal escarp
yeah thats fair then
i remember i made sure my whole arena was dungeon for my first time playing lol
crude geode
That being that polterghast doesn’t need the dungeon despite his theming leaving incredibly heavily into it, and it only changing like last update with no other major changes to lore/style/anything.
eternal escarp
till i learnt it only needs to be spawned in the dungeon
crude geode
Aren’t we trying to
eternal escarp
i mean thats fair, i do know some people would rather not spoil themselves too much
zenith hazel
Polterghast doesn’t strictly need dungeon, but it’s not like you can expect the ...
I'm referring to this point
crude geode
Yes I’m aware
But you still have enrages on summon items bc it’s pretty crucial information
The fact that everything about Polter relates to dungeon, including you only being able to summon him in the dungeon but then you can just fight him wherever underground and he doesn’t care kinda doesn’t make sense
Like I get it’s so you don’t have to build a dungeon arena but you’re gonna do it for ceaseless void
cobalt pewter
I'd also expect the average player to read the wiki
One of the problems with Terraria (and to extension, most of its mods)
crude geode
Terraria is less so to be honest, like it’s still somewhat prevalent but it has it’s guiding points.
Like, the Servants of the Devourer tho? Good fucking luck
cobalt pewter
Also why I suggested giving a way to show organic / inorganic shit ingame
crude geode
~~just make it a help thing in the cyborg, he tells you each npc that is organic, and then ones that are inorganic, one by one ~~
pine star
river glen
Also why I suggested giving a way to show organic / inorganic shit ingame
doset hitting an organic thing produces more of a fleshy sound
while inorganic produces more of a metalic sound?
cobalt pewter
It's rather messy, just look at the uh
Hit sounds page
Also there are people who don't or can't play with audio
crude geode
^
unreal viper
Indeed.
wooden robin
Tax payer should have the name Gehrman added to his potential name list
zenith hazel
what?
dapper coral
tax collector, i assume
marble hazel
Tax payer should have the name Gehrman added to his potential name list
i like this sugg
zenith hazel
can't really suggest adding more shadowspec weps
that's up to the devs to decide what class their dev weapon should be
also, you're getting 2 extra weps to use for scal since all of yharon's drops can be used for her next update @rancid saddle
cyan lagoon
@rain basalt you need to give a reason to why you want it to inherit the effect
sleek hornet
it will be reworked next update anyway
fossil finch
aside from the obvious byeah
sleek hornet
one of the devs just really pissed off by how annoying the balance between those two acc so they will rework it
zenith hazel
formatting is wrong, separate the main sugg and description into separate lines with shift + enter @rain basalt
tawny garden
The Aegis suggs aren't needed tbh
cobalt pewter
omw pinging Ben to make his life harder
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
Actually ye
eternal escarp
and explained why the dash in terraria sucks
so like
this whole suggestion is basically
yeah
the dash is a terraria cant count and regen has been already moved iirc
i mean, asking ben directly for the answer is better tho
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
@zenith hazel not sure what to do with the sugg, since Ben basically confirmed the change (somewhat)
cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
good thing i remembered that
zenith hazel
that means I can shoot it down
cobalt pewter
zenith hazel
@rain basalt read above
rain basalt
nein
cobalt pewter
???
eternal escarp
true or not, this suggestion cant be valid
fossil finch
uhh yeah "can we have the typhoon clone back"
eternal escarp
i was expecting for him to repost the suggestion about the shields for some reason
fossil finch
instead of making the cool pog reworked weapon have better stats
eternal escarp
byeah, this suggestion needs a reasoning
fossil finch
also the buff is already a thing kinda
zenith hazel
that's like a hard no
eternal escarp
"its bad" isnt a reason lol