By fishing
#suggestions-discussion
crude geode
Step 1: Crate Potions from Desert Scourge
Step 2: Use Basic Bait from Merchant to fish up Crates
Step 3: Save the fucking Master Bait you get to make the Fishing Station
Step 4: Profit
cobalt pewter
I can't remember if you can directly fish Master Bait in the first place
But one of the general crates drop em
crude geode
The general crates can drop them
and you literally get crate potions for free from Desert Scourge, in addition to the one crate potion accessory
It’s not hard to get enough master bait for the fishing station if you actually put effort into it
Also, souls of light and night aren’t sold by anyone at the start of hardmode, for the fishing station. Does that mean they should be sold as well? @worn cobalt
worn cobalt
Well those are really easy to get
crude geode
and master bait isn’t?
worn cobalt
well not for me :/
crude geode
Just fish up crates, it’s not that hard. Like a golden crate has pretty good odds to get you enough master bait on it’s own to make the fishing station.
Let alone iron crates also having a decent chance of giving you master bait.
fossil finch
and, essences, man
essences
they are really common
eternal escarp
well not for me :/
i mean, by that logic, i can say i have a harder time getting the souls but master bait for me is easier
crude geode
Master bait was moved to post Plantera for a reason.
So you have to actually spend time getting the highest tier bait instead of getting it handed to you pre-hm
granted it’s not like this sugg goes against any don’ts, but I still find it really subjective.
@worn cobalt At the very least, call it by it’s name “Supreme Bait Tackle Box Fishing Station”
@heady storm do you know if master bait getting moved to post plant was for balance reasons?
worn cobalt
what fishing gear should i use to get master bait then?
crude geode
Journeyman bait????
worn cobalt
rods?
real steppe
Master bait is now available since what boss again?
crude geode
sitting duck, golden fishing rod by throwing the angler into the trasher, or really the heron rod if you’re lazy.
It’s available post plant, moved from Skeletron.
crude geode
That’s Skeletron
heady storm
Asking in Dev.
@crude geode answer being that Master Bait invalidated every other bait when players could just obtain it early.
So yeah in a sense.
heady storm
Not a problem.
tawny garden
<@322580913093476352> answer being that Master Bait invalidated every other bait...
Ah so what I thought
Variety was needed
river glen
hmm
its an idea about aether
and an idea someone had
but i think its usable here
aether can have its right click be a toggle
in this case i dont have to shove my right click
marble hazel
isnt arma dying next update doe
tawny garden
Arma bags are kinda dying
sharp prism
only on first kill iirc
sharp prism
bobux
tawny garden
@frozen umbra Armageddon is getting reworked next update
and your sugg will kinda be implemented already
marble hazel
yooo congrats on getting ur sugg implemented 🏆
tawny garden
dapper violet
regarding that crit one that’s in voting right now
make crits work like warframe where it’s common to get over 100% crit
say your build gives you 120% crit chance—you get a crit on every shot, with a 20% chance to do a double crit
if a normal shot does 2x damage on a crit, a double crit does 4x damage
fossil finch
you know
this is already happening
right?
@frozen umbra it is already happening
Armaggedon will only give the 6 bags on first kill
dapper coral
@obtuse glacier you can't make future content suggs
1.4 will be dealt with when it arrives
obtuse glacier
alright didnt know
dapper coral
do read the doc in the pins before you make suggestions, in the future
tawny garden
well, it's getting nerfed
hardy dock
tawny garden
sharp prism
tbh i would have the 5 bags stay on every kill for post ml bosses
but thats kinda going off topic
gaunt quest
The arma suggestion is some thing that is already happening lol
tawny garden
dunno why it wasn't exclamated yet
eternal escarp
yeah lol
river glen
it sure would be nice if storm weaver wouldnt die to steller striker
in 30s
wouldnt it
23s
sure would be nice
tawny garden
@shell grotto some of those weapons are dedicated to devs, so you'd have to get their permission
eternal escarp
i mean, those were examples only tbh
shell grotto
True, and I would not want to impede over their requests, however like mentioned they are examples and many other weapons even pre-yharon share this problem just to a lesser extent
eternal escarp
theres quite a few dev weapons that prolly have alot of effects, but i think some effect clutter will be removed next update but im not sure if i remember this info correctly
maybe not from dev weapons, byeah
tawny garden
well, even without examples it still needs approval n stuff
shell grotto
there could also simply be a setting to lower effect opacity
eternal escarp
tbh ive never had a problem of seeing bosses later on, most projectiles didnt reall interupt me at all
byeah i see where this is coming from
rose latch
I think exoblade shouldn't be in that list
maybe exogladius
but even then it's not that obstructive
the other ones are definitely problems though
dapper violet
even post-ml tier weapons have extreme visual clutter if you’re in multiplayer
i would really like a toggle, like opacity for secondary projectiles and on-hit effects
crude geode
Won’t the plague engine consuming ammo generally be fixed next update with summoner slots going down?
late cypress
So I found an inconsistency error in their tool tip that effects 3 pairs of grieves and nothing else. These 3 pairs are the only ones in the entirety of Calamity and Vanilla to have this change and I'm not sure whether or not it is significant enough to post.
Sulfurous, Victide, and Wulfrum leggings all have the tooltips, "Increases movement speed by --%" whilst every other armor piece or accessory says "--% Increased movement speed." In fact, these legging are the only 3 in the game to use "increased by --%"
Not sure if this is worth posting for a change
zenith hazel
I can check it in the test version to see whether it's been fixed
zenith hazel
alright, thank you for bringing this to our attention
late cypress
👍
daring imp
can i suggest to remove these two yellow dots from providence's design right below her actual head? they make a face that i hate so much to see during her battle, looks like some giant monster face with a bug mouth right below it, seriously this really ruins her wonderful design almost makes me prefer the old design that had a really weird suit, i tried to remove the face so you guys can see more clearly the ugly disgusting face that i always see during the battle
zenith hazel
this sounds incredibly specific and subjective
daring imp
so can i post it on #suggestions-posting
seriously she's my favorite boss and i hate so much to see this face rather than her actual face
rustic frigate
zenith hazel
unless you have a really good reason, no
daring imp
;c
i hate those yellow dots more than everyting i know that they are from the fire below her head that floats rather than being sticked with the body BUT COME ON WHY IT HAS TO BE LIKE THAT I KEEP SEEING AN UGLY GIANT UGLY MUTANT BEETLE FACE
gaunt quest
wait providence actually has a face i didn't think she did lol
delicate willow
I though it was just rocks lol
gaunt quest
obviously if you don't like it's flame eyes just don't look at them
daring imp
stupid root neck and pointy rock shoulders that separate the fire under her into two eyes and the spherical rock format with magma mark that make it looks like some magma monster maw
dapper violet
I’m really curious, if those yellow dots aren’t supposed to be eyes what are they
golden narwhal
Wait, those aren't eyes 
cobalt pewter
Gaps
daring imp
i already said, her face is connected to the body via a rooty neck, as it can be noticed providence has a crystal heart, surrounded by roots and then rocks that makes her armor, and due to the rooty neck in the middle, the pointy rock shoulders on the sides and the actual fire behind the face, it looks like eyes
and with the circular rock shape below with a magma mark that makes it looks like some magma monster maw, you end up with an ugly magma monster face that haunts me until the present, now i'm gonna give up from trying to convince people to see that, they should consider themselves lucky
golden narwhal
I just see a regular rock face, byech
whole sedge
@ruby urchin you can only have one sugg per message due to bot restraints so i suggest splititng them into 2 separate ones
ruby urchin
Oh sorry thank you
zenith hazel
@ruby urchin split your suggestion into 2 messages, please
also abyss is position based iirc
and you can make an artificial sulphur sea with sulphurous sand
proper grail
and you can make an artificial sulphur sea with sulphurous sand
Can confirm, my base is a world-center Sulpur Sea
mighty knot
@trail anchor no specific item suggestions, read pins
trail anchor
oh right, sorry
I thought it just had to be less specific but
So how exactly do you suggest an item exactly without being too specific?
hollow shell
You can't give it a name or any exact numbers
But you can describe its purpose, the problems it would solve
@trail anchor
hollow shell
Ah, another thing
You need to have a separate topic/summary line and reason
Separated with Shift+Enter
(this is so the suggestion bot can parse it properly)
And, you should probably rewrite it so it's more natural as a suggestion and not quite so obvious that it was once a specific item suggestion that you edited down :P
trail anchor
The item I am suggesting works like a stasis chamber of sorts. Using it creates a waypoint that preserves your exact location. Then, once you activate the item again, it teleports the player back to that preserved location.
This serves as an excellent dodging method, but requires you to know what’s coming to dodge, instead of just being a Rod of Discord. Meaning you have to plan ahead to dodge skillfully. The reward for planning ahead? No cooldown to the item, unlike the Rod of Discord.
^ like this?
sorry uh this is my first time doing this
trail anchor
i did
im trying to be unspecific, like no sprite, no name, no number values, and all that
cobalt pewter
To be fair, the devs might be fed up by any kind of tp items like RoD
Especially noted in their patreon item rules
trail anchor
Wait the what
cobalt pewter
Which bans any sort of RoD-esque items
hollow shell
Only for Patron items
Gibb got in early and got Normality Relocator into the mod
then the devs said "never again" :P
And, yeah your suggestion is better
But you should probably have more reasoning in your sugg, i.e. more about why the mod would benefit from an item like this
river glen
Gibb got in early and got Normality Relocator into the mod
haha, mustve been a funi
hollow shell
It's pretty funni in retrospect
cobalt pewter
Current options are fine, it's just there's an agonizing lack of class specific armors in pML
golden narwhal
@rich iris are you referring to demonshade armor, because it seems so?
cobalt pewter
Could be that or auric
rich iris
Yeah I should have mentioned it by name
cobalt pewter
Ah
rich iris
Auric is just fine
cobalt pewter
spoiler: auric is not fine at all
golden narwhal
Aight 
cobalt pewter
Either way
golden narwhal
and yes 
cobalt pewter
I don't see how making Demonshade class specific...helps...at all
rich iris
You know what I mean lol
cobalt pewter
Giving more armor variety for each class that isn't auric or its materials seem to work better in the long run
rich iris
Having the last armor in the game be the same for everyone just seems lame
crude geode
(Demon shade is a dev item so you’d need permission to change it)
rich iris
Is it?
cobalt pewter
(not sure about that now)
golden narwhal
I think demonshade is an exclusion from that for reasons
cobalt pewter
There's confusing shit around Demonshade ye
crude geode
Fair
cobalt pewter
If any devs would be willing to add a class specific armors on Shadowspec tier (which is the dev-exclusive for the most part), then yeah
And again, I don't think leaving any other classes but one out for a Shadowspec tier armor is a good option
rich iris
Anyway. I'm just annoyed because at the end it's like "Cool I can summon 20 minions at once now" and then you realize all your friends can summon 11 without even specing for it
cobalt pewter
Minion slots will be rebalanced next update
So idk how that example would fare by the time 1.5 drops
rich iris
But you get the idea. It's fun to have your gear be specialized and different from what your friends are building. Removing that makes things less interesting.
cobalt pewter
Then without any other additional options, all other classes will be left in the dust as this one class gets the best armor?
rich iris
What? I never said anything about only making it for one class. I recommended either giving it different helmets for different classes or making 4 separate armors entirely.
golden narwhal
Ideally there could be armors for each class or at least something like the auric armor where each get's a different helmet.
(Could prolly put smth in the heading about it possibly getting more helmets)
golden narwhal
cobalt pewter
That's not making it "specific class" then, just refer to it as "multiclass"
rich iris
I'm fairly certain multiclass refers to something that can be used effectively by multiple classes. At the moment demonshade is multiclass since it can be used effectively by any class.
crude geode
Isn’t it classless?
Class specific refers to something like Jungle or Hellstone Armor.
eternal escarp
you mean molten
rich iris
Classless and multiclass kinda mean the same thing I think.
rich iris
I see I see
eternal escarp
i think an example could be that, iron armour is classless, while per say, hydrothermic is multiclass
rich iris
So the sponge would be classless while Luxors gift is multiclass
eternal escarp
i think accesories are something else, byeah
worthy lintel
isn't multiclass a synonym of hybrid?
eternal escarp
and yes
worthy lintel
an armor / thing that favors multiple classes at once
eternal escarp
it pretty much is afaik
worthy lintel
big brain lexical moment
cobalt pewter
Or Astral
Fearmonger is technically designed that way too
It just leans too much into Summoner atm (should be fixed in 1.5)
Multiclass examples are literally just armors post ML aside from Prismatic, Omega Blue, Fearmonger and Demonshade
eternal escarp
lmao
earnest cape
is that even possible 
sleek hornet
Hopefully
trough messing around with modders toolkit a while back, i think it is possible
fossil finch
Iirc ea adds an accesory that does so
sleek hornet
Iirc ea adds an accesory that does so
elements awoken?
fossil finch
Ye
sleek hornet
to be fair, almost no one play calamity with Elements Awoken
tawny garden
shouldn't play content mods together
obtuse glacier
shouldn't play content mods together
laughs in my modded playthroughs
earnest cape
furyforged chuckles in the background
graceful hare
tawny garden
one part of the sugg got denied and the other one was approved
hollow shell
ye, sugg had two options in it
I don't even know what sugg that is but I know that's what we do in those situations
eternal escarp
oh cool
pitbulls will now drop portable pits
i mean, lets be honest
alot of weapons destroy scourge in less then 60 seconds
and iirc empress will be nerfed anyway next update? not sure tho
eternal escarp
i heard something about empress nerf once
so idk if its legit or not
byeah, the former point
half kayak
and iirc empress will be nerfed anyway next update? not sure tho
oh did i say 60 for ds sorry, i meant empress can kill DAD scourge in 20 seconds
zenith hazel
yea we're aware
zenith hazel
funny prism laser is bound to kill worms
eternal escarp
ig if you aim from a right direction yeah
half kayak
well its too late i already did the no-hit and didnt record it
zealous ridge
pitbulls are pretty sucky yeah
tawny garden
😳
zealous ridge
ultimately calamity doesn’t like removing things
what I had thought of was adding a summon drop to them, but now I think an accessory akin to shackle would be nice
tawny garden
oh god no not another useless accessory
zealous ridge
either way, they need something
That’s not an issue of accessories inherently
It’s just that they’re made useless
tawny garden
well, yes
zealous ridge
and it wouldnt be literally first night
If I’m not mistaken, pitbulls spawn post eoc, no?
So it doesn’t need to be filler like shackle
Nor do I think it needs to be powerful
At the very least? Something to play around with
that’s the most I’ll say bout it, though
toxic basalt
and iirc empress will be nerfed anyway next update? not sure tho
An Empress of Light nerf?
toxic basalt
would've made more sense to say SE or Spark Empress
eternal escarp
eh
EoL is empresses of lights short, and dhe doesnt exist in tmod yet
ao by contexts its easy to diffrentiate
toxic basalt
I know
crude geode
Empress of Light doesn’t even exist in tmodloader let alone calamity
zenith hazel
@half kayak
not sure whether the suggestion is necessary anymore since we will decide on what to do with that
dapper coral
suggestion is kinda asking for something else, though
unless SE was also changed to be fished post-scourge then i don't think that applies entirely
tawny garden
I mean
his reason is that the weapon is quite strong
and nerfing the weapon defeats the purpose of the sugg
dapper coral
true
which is why i said kinda
i'm also not really sure
it's not a direct solution but it might fix the problem
tawny garden
unless it doesn't fix it 
dapper coral
exactly
i don't see a recent test for SE in dev so maybe that has yet to be determined
outer crane
uh yes
zenith hazel
give us a good reason
tawny garden
- make an actual reason
- don't put a strawpoll into a sugg
zenith hazel
but they would be hard to produce
dapper coral
devs aren't paid iirc
tawny garden
unreal viper
yeah they do this for free for some reason
dapper coral
and producing those kinds of things are waaaaaay better left to an external company, like how YouPads does the cal mousepads
outer crane
ooh
unreal viper
i wouldn't put up with myself for free
dapper coral
cal has very little to do with the process lol
tawny garden
i wouldn't put up with myself for free
they're volunteers
outer crane
then hire an external corp or make this some sort of kickstarter
tawny garden
...or what do you mean, sand?
dapper coral
regardless of any of this, it would fall under the big-effort don't
zenith hazel
that's still an entirely different issue
dapper coral
...kind of
zenith hazel
plushies are the least of our concern right now
outer crane
okay ill remove it
tawny garden
regardless of any of this, it would fall under the big-effort don't
...it won't
outer crane
sorry
smoky wigeon
plushies are the least of our concern right now
unreal viper
they're volunteers
Yeah, they are. I'm praising the work they do for free.
outer crane
just be a pain in the ass to make
tawny garden
they enjoy doing this, that's why they do it
outer crane
maybe do a kickstarter or some sort of stretch goal longterm then if thats possible
hollow shell
I would appreciate Calamity plushies
I definitely think we'd get far more sales on those than the mousepads
cuz like you only need 1 mousepad
But
It's not very feasible
Much more difficult to produce
tawny garden
DoG body pillow
unreal viper
die
hollow shell
Cirrus booby mousepad- wait
wise copper
Body pillows are a no no.
hollow shell
within the realm of possibility
unreal viper
did fabsol commision one?
tawny garden
no, Brimmy body pillow
hollow shell
Not that I'm aware
outer crane
all im saying is make it a stretch goal like 10 inch plushies once there is a realm of possibility
what im thinking is make a kickstarter for this so that you can raise money to hire a third party to produce them
hollow shell
We could, I guess
outer crane
that should be very possible
hollow shell
if you're serious, you should prolly remake your sugg
outer crane
ill edit sugg
tawny garden
(and don't do strawpolls in suggs)
smoky wigeon
I mean, if we already have mousepads i doubt they won’t at least consider it for the future
hollow shell
Aight this is better
I think that it's unrealistic but I would personally enjoy and buy a Calamity plushie
outer crane
yeah
crystal iron
i just wander how they would make worms
not as in its too difficult but how big they would make them and stuff like that
hollow shell
DoG bionicle
crystal iron
imagine if they sold each seagment seperataly
pine star
I would buy a Calamity plushie
hollow shell
We sell a full thing but you can also buy each segment real cheap
So you can just make a really really long one if you wanted
pine star
And someone asked: "What forms would the Scal and Calclone plushies be"
pine star
We sell a full thing but you can also buy each segment real cheap
So you can jus...
haha
AD?
tawny garden
We sell a full thing but you can also buy each segment real cheap
So you can jus...
fucking
pro businessman
pine star
DoG plushies are one plushie per segment
golden narwhal
Me when one mile long DoG becomes real in plushie form
crystal iron
i could proabbly only afford one seagment
pine star
Me when one mile long DoG becomes real in plushie form
mile long plushie intensifies
😳
tawny garden
The Perfect One
gray nebula
id get a cal plushie ngl but yeah kinda unrealistic
also funny getting outdated as soon as a resprite gets made
hollow shell
Then you sell a new model and get people to buy that
Then the outdated ones become collector's items
dapper coral
he does now
tawny garden
hollow shell
You sell the outdated models in week-long sales once a year, on holidays like Calamity's 1.0 anniversary, at exorbitant prices
tawny garden
dude, stop, I'm gonna die
sand umbra
I think that it's unrealistic but I would personally enjoy and buy a Calamity pl...
I would also greatly enjoy Calamity plushie
give me Cosmic Plushie in real
sharp prism
Bad Marketing!
sand umbra
oh never mind terrible I hate it
gimme uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
cloud. give me a plushie of the cloud
Cloud Elemental is good plushie material fight me
also Calamitas I guess maybe
hollow shell
I'll even take a Scorn Eater
vapid plaza
I'd buy all of em tbhtbhtbh
tawny garden
Yharon plushie
sharp prism
giant clam
vapid plaza
I've also always wanted t shirts lmao
hollow shell
Well Yharon is obvious yeah
hollow shell
Yeah ik
sharp prism
pine star
also Calamitas I guess maybe
Plot twist: it's Calclone in her fucked up person form
dapper coral
trasher plushie (with a 1/100 chance to include the angler's mangled body within and/or golden fishing rod exclusive item!)
pine star
tawny garden
oh, come on
the angler's mangled body is also a plushie
that you have to buy separately if you get lucky
sharp prism
Build Your Own Angler!
sand umbra
Build-A-Brat Workshop
tawny garden
and the Golden Fishing Rod is made of actual Gold
and it's too heavy to actually use it as a fishing rod
sharp prism
anyways this is getting offtopic
tawny garden
yeah
pine star
cobalt pewter
Plushie gud
But I don't think it's worth the production costs
I'm still waiting for connecting DoG segment mousepads, Fab
pine star
Now I'm imagining a mile of mousepads, connected to each other
cobalt pewter
y e s
violet dagger
random person with tons of money: challenge accepted
ech mousepad tho
I'd buy that
who wouldnt
but thats honestly a fargo thing
sand umbra
me
violet dagger
echdeath
sand umbra
I have no interest in an ech mousepad
echdeath you'd have to literally offer me money to take it
and let me tell you something
violet dagger
pine star
hearty yew
ok so i should mention
TPE already got 66% to not consume ammo
i did that when i fixed the broken scaling
tawny garden
the sugg already went
hearty yew
so whoops accidentally already did this
violet dagger
taipei airport has a 66% chance to not consume ammo
cobalt pewter
Can we reduce the chance when the slots rebalance coming around?
Since like
Less minions to shoot things
And less bullets overall to be shot
sharp prism
pew
pine star
BLAM BLAM BLAM
dire loom
i would spend like 50 bucks on a crabulon plushie
proper grail
Gimme the fat fuck
hot zephyr
don't turn me into a marketable plushie!
earnest cape
Big big fungus big fungus big fungus
quiet sable
what if I have suggestions and ideas about future bosses, should I post it in #suggestions-posting or here first? :p
heady storm
@hollow shell what is your general verdict on the plushie suggestion.
cobalt pewter
Reject plushie, return to connecting dog segment mousepads
heady storm
They seem like far too much effort to manufacture.
cobalt pewter
sand umbra
noh
I need my Calamitas plushie that eats all my Doritos and calls me a prick
I will pay good fucking money for this shit
quiet sable
you should post it nowhere because boss suggestions aren't allowed
sad
sand umbra
and you might be wonderin' to yourself "wait didn't you want a sentient* Cosmic Plushie before when this was brought up?"
to which I respond "yes, however: a sentient* Calamitas plushie both sounds cooler and is easier to justify having"
(* - plushie may not actually be sentient)
hot zephyr
The logistics are already there for a Brimmy mousepad.
I specifically asked Fab this question.
cobalt pewter
oh no.
earnest cape
Its gonna be MUCH more than just a mouseapd ;))))
sand umbra
I will give all three of you 10 dollars each to shut up right now and never go down this path again
capiche?
whole sedge
I agree with this sugg as I have wanted a yharon plushie for a long time
unreal viper
Do I see some heretics in need of a purging?
unreal viper
I agree with this sugg as I have wanted a yharon plushie for a long time
I want to hug the chicken boi.
whole sedge
indeed
ashen warren
I will admit that I want a Deus plushie but that's that
cobalt pewter
I will give all three of you 10 dollars each to shut up right now and never go d...
sand umbra
if I give you extra I need to also give Ian extra by default otherwise--
actually who am I kidding any approach to this leaves someone mad
alright fine you get 25
hollow shell
We recently made it so the High Effort don't wasn't generic
and we don't have real life merch production as a specifier
so this suggestion is fine
cobalt pewter
alright fine you get 25
hollow shell
I said before that it was unrealistic but I don't have a problem with it really
heady storm
It feels so out of place though.
Why suggest it here where server and mod suggestions normally go.
And besides, expenses are an issue.
sand umbra
allow me to raise to you a question
where else is such a proposal gonna go
heady storm
Fabsol uh huh.
sand umbra
aside from where it can get shot down instantly
hollow shell
"Why suggest it here where server and mod suggestions normally go."
the key word here is "suggest"
sand umbra
at least give the poor man a chance
heady storm
Where would we even deliver the suggestion if it reaches the star requirement.
hollow shell
The dev server
heady storm
Dear god.
earnest cape
Assuming it gets star req
which i think it will reach
Thing is, is the star req for this 140 or 200
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
Jokes aside, 200 maybe
heady storm
200 because dev server destination apparently.
earnest cape
Damm
crude geode
~~wow an actual suggestion that isn't plushies ~~
sand umbra
ah, yes, this sugg seems very interesting indeed
/scribbles down various notes
crude geode
I stole the logic from a rant about post-Skeletron weapons
sand umbra
was that rant mine by chance, because I know I've spoken about Dungeon weps at length
crude geode
Thomas I’m a budget you, why would it not be a rant of yours
crude geode
I just think SG/Abyss weapons need nerfing
Doesn’t really change that like...sunfury/flamelash still outclasses blue moon/magic missile, aqua scepter just sucks, and handgun just goes into Phoenix Blaster
sand umbra
an impressive display, though you still have much yet to learn
hot zephyr
Make Handgun stronger but move Phoenix to post-SG, mayhaps?
sand umbra
like how you physically cannot prevent Phoenix Blaster from being an immediate upgrade without moving one of the two involved weapons
and let me tell you Phoenix absolutely does not need to be post-SG
crude geode
Ah yes lock more weapons behind SG
hot zephyr
there's only a handful
sand umbra
ha
funny
crude geode
Especially an arbitrary one like Phoenix Blaster
sand umbra
for Night's/Bloody Edge I could see it, you know, consistency with the other similarly-styled weps and all
crude geode
Like what relevance does a red hot blaster have to a giant slime god
sand umbra
but post-SG Phoenix Blaster makes no sense
even more lack of sense than the immediate upgrade it currently is
hot zephyr
Don't give me bullshit about tier-relevance because I could go on for hours about how nothing actually makes sense
cobalt pewter
Make Phoenix Blaster HM, made with Essences of Chaos 
sand umbra
doesn't disprove my point. 
sand umbra
Make Phoenix Blaster HM, made with Essences of Chaos <a:HAAAAAA:6403335002304020...
Cursed Capper
hot zephyr
If I hear "but thematically...." one more time I'm going to kick some people into the sun
sand umbra
Try me.
crude geode
~~ty for talking about my suggestion and not random terraria design choices 
~~
sand umbra
Shut up I'm gettin' there.
hot zephyr
Cool idea, but I think the inverse should happen. Nerf the abyss tier/SG tier because they're huge power jumps compared to vanilla.
sand umbra
My Solution: Move it in progression, with nerfs needed. This would be to either post EoC, or Evil Boss. Bones would have to be added for the Phoenix Blaster, either way, since you could then get Phoenix Blaster Pre-Skeletron. This would give it some more use time, as revolvers and other basic guns are still fairly used at that point in progression, and would allow easier access to it.
...holy shit
you really have learned from me
crude geode
sand umbra
byeah
the bigger problem here is that the only proper ranged weapon in Dungeon chests
is a fucking handgun
hot zephyr
swap Minishark and Handgun
sand umbra
Phoenix is arguably fine whereabouts it is
cobalt pewter
Valor- Outclassed by Cascade. Can’t really say much else due to not using yo-yos almost ever.
My Solution: Give it some active ability, similar to Sulphurous Grabber, so that it’s a more skill based alternative to Cascade.
Bold of you to assume they wanted to touch any yoyos anymore
sand umbra
however, the fact that Handgun is awful and Phoenix Blaster is god by comparison makes Phoenix Blaster the target for a lot of nerfs and theories for moving it later
the only needed solution is to move the Handgun earlier in progression
you gotta remember, neither of these items are capable of autofire
crude geode
I wanted to at least mention Valor, bc it's another prime example of "outclassed instantly", even tho I don't know much about yo-yos.
sand umbra
you wanna get high DPS, you gotta break your fuckin' finger, it's a decent trade-off
crude geode
byech
cobalt pewter
Yoyos are just h
hot zephyr
auto-fire being considered for balancing is a terrible idea tbh
Carpal tunnel should not be the "downside"
hot zephyr
No
cobalt pewter
In any case, yeah I can agree with Handgun changes in terms of progression
crude geode
I was very tempted to mention Waterbolt, bc Calamity adds Flarebolt which is like Waterbolt but guaranteed pre-boss (bc Reaver Shark funny).
hot zephyr
For now.
sand umbra
auto-use in Terraria just makes it so you don't have to actually take your finger off the mouse button there's no downside to it at all
if I wanted to just hold down a mouse button I'd do spriting and other pixel art or some music because that's at least a productive way of holding down the mouse button for vast sums of time
hot zephyr
"for this weapon you bash the mouse therefore it should be better than the one that doesn't make your finger call the domestic abuse hotline"
Every weapon in Terraria should be auto-fire. Change my mind.
sand umbra
crude geode
I'd rather not waste my time.
sand umbra
...I'm just gonna go do something else. I'm not spending half an hour on this again.
hot zephyr
Probably for the best.
crude geode
Flare Bolt really shouldn't be a thing imo, bc it's just waterbolt but fire.
Completely unnecessary.
hot zephyr
It exists to add more bolt-type weapons into the game but just completely overshadows the other options
I think it could be returned, I think the three bolt weapons in pre-hardmode need new gimmicks.
crude geode
saying "bolt-type" weapons is just saying waterbolt clones. Just with slightly modified stats.
hot zephyr
I mean
We could do that with a majority of the weapons in the mod, especially the older ones
I'm saying we should un-clone the weapons.
crude geode
mhm
hot zephyr
Maybe give one lower damage, but split projectiles? Or faster but higher damage and less bounces?
radiant meadow
Frost Bolt, Flare Bolt, and Tradewinds?
hot zephyr
I was referring to the original water bolt... but kinda?
crude geode
I guess Tradewinds is also a Bolt copy. Less explicit about it bc it's not called Wind Bolt.
hot zephyr
Call it wind bolt. I dare you.
radiant meadow
Oh I thought you just meant Cal
hot zephyr
~~Poor Tradewinds, gets vored into a completely unrelated weapon 
~~
crude geode
Tradewinds is much more different, since it only bounces like once, and moves at the speed of light
radiant meadow
Speedy bolt
crude geode
Flare Bolt could just be completely replaced by Tradewinds in recipes. You'd use it for two things then, but nothing new really.
hot zephyr
Ben, you should like... totally replace Tradewinds with a generic Spell Tome in the Death Valley Duster recipe
crude geode
in Death Valley Duster?
crude geode
Tradewinds has actual range, Death Valley Duster is a shotgun.
hollow shell
Wouldn't be too opposed to it becoming a Spell Tome in the recipe
but that would make Tradewinds even more unremarkable
I agree more so with giving Frost & Flare Bolt some attempts at unique functionality
crude geode
Would be nice
changing Frost Bolt into a rolling snowball that grows would make it different
earnest cape
pliant tundra
Ah, so like I came in here to write a suggestion about requesting a config update to toggle the minion damage nerf off for non-death mode but it seems like the next update is buffing minion damage anyway so I might not even need to ask for that?
I don't mind being un-optimal for thematic builds in the name of fun / adventure so I'll happily dedicate an acc slot to hurt my primary damage a fraction for a lil bit of minion power but the whopping 50% reduction is a bit on the heavier side. It's substantial enough that dedicating a slot to minion damage amounts to almost nothing and is really discouraging.
safe oasis
the minion nerf works to prevent other classes essentially playing summoner without the danger of playing summoner
golden narwhal
The minion slot nerf/damage buff won't really help negate that
pliant tundra
Awe bummer
eternal escarp
Something like that was suggested once to a bigger extend iirc
by solstice
a profanity filter suggestion
safe oasis
also for my suggestion i didn’t include HotE because you could just disable the waifus
eternal escarp
aw
hollow shell
so this can act as another attempt
eternal escarp
i would have liked a profanity filter as a whole, just having the option to play without having my parents rolling into my room with confused looks
safe oasis
oh someone had already suggested that?
hollow shell
They had a more inclusive sugg
for anything that could possibly be sexually suggestive in the game
safe oasis
ah so i should i just delete mine since it was already suggested and failed
crude geode
I doubt the community is going to support it to be blunt. It's already been shown with the previous suggestion barely getting over 100. It's fine to keep it tho.
safe oasis
alright
pliant tundra
'nd yeah I figured it was there for it's own balancing but I'm willing to politely write a request about having it a toggle and leave it up to the players if they want the nerf.
I tried to circumvent it by giving minions crit chance but that just ended up being a flat crit increase while minions were active to all damage types lmao
crude geode
the last profanity sugg did sound a bit like a karen wrote it
cobalt pewter
Avg cal playerbase is 
crude geode
I mean, you can't really blame them when Fabsol implements Cirrus.
tawny garden
tbh I don't see how an optional filter would be bad for anyone, but y'know
an average player person is dumb
eternal escarp
tbh, i feel like suggestions like that cant be kept bounded by this channel for long
we will prevail
tawny garden
eternal escarp
shit
fossil finch
brimmy is getting resprited in time anyways just tell your parents it's a fucking genderless brimstone formation
half kayak
umm i got pinged but cant find it
tawny garden
umm i got pinged but cant find it <:HyperFailure:471816460948471831>
is it this? #suggestions-discussion message
crude geode
I mean Star Cannon also lets you skip tbh, with the minor cost of stars being used as ammunition
and, as you mentioned, Reaver Shark also exists as a way to progression skip
@half kayak if it performs too well against certain bosses, resists should be put in place. Not just forcing it to only be obtainable after a certain boss.
crude geode
Especially because other methods of progression skipping exist.
Prolly something similar to explosive weapons and or piercing weapons in general.
Byech
Which, in that case, has already been done by just nerfing the damn thing.
I would just wait until next update, quickly pop in to check, and then suggest it.
If it’s still stupid
@half kayak
half kayak
ok
heady storm
I mean Sparkling is in fact getting nerfed.
half kayak
k
heady storm
Which is a sect of Cursed’s proposal.
crude geode
Yeah
If it’s still massively progression breaking, suggest adding a resist to EoW and Desert Scourge instead.
tawny garden
So is the sugg future content?
crude geode
rn? No it just wants to move Sparkling Empress in progression which is kinda eh in my opinion and I would rather wait to see the nerf
cobalt pewter
Infinite piercing on worms need to be looked at a bit more
crude geode
Infinite piercing is the reason why we can’t deal damage to dog’s body.
dapper coral
<@669867574615605268> if it performs too well against certain bosses, resists sh...
the thing i will say about this is that sparkling empress specifically comes from a post-DS biome, and so it actually does not make sense at all to use it pre-DS
in which case the """progression breaking""" should actually be removed to a certain extent
as for EoW etc adding a resist would work
but for DS it just
shouldn't be used there at all because of where it comes from
in any case i think i might test out new SE
to see whether it really needs more for EoW/BoC etc etc
heady storm
Not necessarily Demik; Fab said he nerfed it based on how fast it killed those two.
dapper coral
hm
i'm not seeing another test for it though
(also apparently EoW already has a 30% resist to SE in expert+, who knew)
heady storm
i'm not seeing another test for it though
Kirn + VC case.
dapper coral
well i mean, ik he nerfed it based on VC stuffs, but i don't see a test for the new one to affirm its no-longer-brokenness
heady storm
Fair enough in that standard.
half kayak
(also apparently EoW already has a 30% resist to SE in expert+, who knew)
according to wiki it's 70% and also applies to boc creepers
dapper coral
they do 70% damage
half kayak
oh
dapper coral
it's not a 70% resist
dapper coral
ye
half kayak
i still think that empress should be post-ds after the nerf cuz every non-giant clam sunken sea item only drops post-ds except for fish
fossil finch
I agree tbh
Sunken sea as a whole could generate post DS and not much would change lol
dapper coral
i would also agree
half kayak
the only terraria instances of biomes changing underground are MoR radiation fallout and tons of new world evil in hardmode
pine star
@errant leaf That's 1.4
fossil finch
Pretty sure vanilla worldgen shit is stuff you should not suggest at all since it's a lot of work to change that
Only exception i've seen pass through was golem room thingy
And, can you provide any example?
Because the problems you describe are barely problems
Non existant rooms (those small things doors sometimes lead to, yes, i've seen those), and chests on spikes aren't real problems for anyone
If it was something like dungeon gen just imploding or blocking you off important things it'll make more sense
Also, totally remove your mention to cracked bricks, that's 1.4 content and should not be mentioned.
dapper coral
i also don't see why this is relevant to cal specifically
as opposed to another QoL mod for better gen or something like that
ashen warren
environmental lore for polterghast in dungeon maybe
marble hazel
p sure lore r dying next update
errant leaf
maybe a specific room to summon plterghast in, kind of like golem?
marble hazel
unless i misread that
sharp prism
Lore isnt dying, Lore items are dying
fossil finch
The sugg still has some flaws lol
sleek hornet
why 
, you dont understand the pain of true meleeing
sleek hornet
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message
SsV and Gale in particular are pretty much unusable without the antilag mod due to how much dust they vomit
sharp prism
never had trouble with lag from SsV, not sure about gale though
grim tusk
Even on low the sheer amount of dust it makes lags the game hard
tawny garden
never had trouble with lag from SSV
same
grim tusk
You must have a really good PC then
tawny garden
I never had lag in this game at all tbh
sharp prism
^
pine star
^^^^
grim tusk
I never have lag unless using those 2
tawny garden
You must have a really good PC then
so yeah, might be that
sleek hornet
when you lower down your quality setting to low, most dust and even sometime projectile sprite wont appear (or even load)
sleek hornet
Also speaking of SsV it needs a buff
its intended to be a support weapon
fossil finch
uh no?
tawny garden
or even load
iirc everything is always loaded in this shitty game
fossil finch
the support wep thing is long gone
grim tusk
its intended to be a support weapon
That was in 1.4.5.001
fossil finch
now it's a slow weapon
grim tusk
It was 100% better as support than what it currently is
sharp prism
> or even load
iirc everything is always loaded in this shitty game
if it wasnt you wouldnt get random qb spawns
fossil finch
with high damaging proyectiles
at least that's what is intended
sharp prism
tawny garden
and SSV was great before they made it a support weapon
it was just for me, cuz it required 0 IQ
grim tusk
sleek hornet
> or even load
iirc everything is always loaded in this shitty game
smh i hope that Red make the low quality setting will make some sprite/dust dont load
fossil finch
i did not see any low dps stuff last time i used it tbh
grim tusk
Shame that homing weapons except 
and photovisc are pretty bad rn
tawny garden
smh i hope that Red make the low quality setting will make some sprite/dust dont...
I am about to destroy your hopes and dreams
grim tusk
i did not see any low dps stuff last time i used it tbh
VC hits 170k on glass while SsV barely gets past 120k
sleek hornet
I am about to destroy your hopes and dreams
sharp prism
nohit server probably
grim tusk
Nohit longue
pine star
oh
fossil finch
every time i saw vc compared to ssv lastly vc dps was just wanky and not stable iirc but whatever
fossil finch
And also SSV is intended to be support
That's long gone
grim tusk
Its like the used melee weapon cuz the others are extremely broken or bad
sharp prism
if you don't know where something cal related comes from, chances are it from the nohit server
anyways
grim tusk
They call it the average for a reason
fossil finch
me omw to no hit scal with murasama
grim tusk
Its like the used melee weapon cuz the others are extremely broken or bad
, pow and oracle
grim tusk
me omw to no hit scal with murasama
Hits hard but real hard to hit
sharp prism
didn't kirn do a true melee nohit against scal
grim tusk
Ye
sharp prism
so it's possible
sharp prism
kirn also did this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy0mSudvyG4
pine star
grim tusk
tawny garden
ah yes
sharp prism
omw to true melee boss rush nohit without touching the ground
grim tusk
Scal and DoG say hi
sharp prism
Funny mgrr sword
pine star
It got nerfed already iirc
grim tusk
And carries throughout all of pre-hm
grim tusk
Speaking of AS give it pierce resist
Even seabow with jester arrows is viable against it
sharp prism
doesnt it already have resist?
grim tusk
No 
pine star
sleek hornet
wait what?
All segments take reduced damage from non-minion piercing projectiles in Expert Mode. Projectile damage is divided by the number of times it pierces. Infinite piercing deals 50% damage.
sleek hornet
it doesnt have one in normal tho
pine star
PALLADIUM JAVELINS?
sleek hornet
but i mean, inf piercing will be nerfed to oblivion in 1.4 anyway
grim tusk
it doesnt have one in normal tho
Thats why star cannon is meta in AS% speedruns
cobalt pewter
All segments take reduced damage from non-minion piercing projectiles in Expert ...
I've been echoing this for days
Inf piercing needs to be treated like 1.4 jester arrows
Less dmg after each hit
grim tusk
cobalt pewter
But apparently everyone hates not being able to melt bosses
sleek hornet
then why dont just wait till 1.4 TML?
sleek hornet
But apparently everyone hates not being able to melt bosses
melting boss is satisfying
sharp prism
because i don't feel like waiting
tawny garden
melting boss is satisfying
sleek hornet
That's waiting for, what, 2077?
so you dont trust tmodloader team?
cobalt pewter
It's more on the fact that balancing like this shouldn't be met with a response of "wait for 1.4 smh"
sleek hornet
not, but,
cobalt pewter
Also if you can melt a boss with appropriate gear, then it's just unbalanced
pine star
They're in a deadlock rn
pine star
THAT EMOTE IS WRETCHED
sharp prism
half kayak
pine star
cobalt pewter
@grim tusk lemme just snag that AS clip 
half kayak
i cant see whats happening cuz odd mushroom
half kayak
also f
tawny garden
again, you should have uploaded the video instead of linking it
crude geode
Oh hey it’s repost time for Feedzuh
tawny garden
) (closed the bracket cuz OCD 
)
cobalt pewter
Oh well
cobalt pewter
I mean
hardy dock
Bloodstone cores take phantoplasm and bloodflare takes ruinous souls
cobalt pewter
Not sure which is better thematically, but gameplay wise post polter can probably be better
hardy dock
yeah
cobalt pewter
Since post provi is hecka bloated
pine star
yeah
hardy dock
and i checked and didnt really see any lore reasons not to
hollow shell
iunno Feed
You're using Mushroom and popped an Adrenaline, and you're saying that you're dealing too much damage
cobalt pewter
that's not my clip, and I know damn well my laptop would die if I'd try recording
But in all fairness, this also goes for Adamantite Throwing Axe stealth iirc
And probably more stuff I haven't properly tested yet
grim tusk
It does a crap ton of damage to AS even without mush and adren
hollow shell
Just sayin
It's not entirely fair to pin this issue on infinite piercing when this is a very high damage environment
grim tusk
It does a crap ton of damage to AS even without mush and adren
Compared to the rest of the weapons
hollow shell
A different example video would be better
cobalt pewter
I would love to have a better example video
But until then, I'll yeet that one for now
Since it could be misleading ye
grim tusk
Yea if you want imma do a just plain ol normal AS kill rather than a nohit
Thats a nohit blooper btw
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
Yea if you want imma do a just plain ol normal AS kill rather than a nohit
That'd be appreciated ye
grim tusk
I’ll do it after classes
hollow shell
👍
cobalt pewter
Sure
eternal escarp
question is what should i show it with
cobalt pewter
Probably just basic accs you'd get pre mech
grim tusk
Gear i used and succesful nohit: https://youtu.be/0Frss5y9ffQ
grim tusk
Just remove shroom and drinks and bam, not glass cannon
eternal escarp
yeye
scarf
eternal escarp
ill just use your exact stuff minus shroom
grim tusk
As old die is overpowered
hardy dock
wew 
eternal escarp
ill just use something that adds a mediocre amount of damage to equivelant the below average old die
grim tusk
Old die can be to cripple your dmg a bit or better than DSA
grim tusk
On average it gives the same boost as an avenger emblem to rogue and 5% to other weps
eternal escarp
yeah fair
grim tusk
As rogue rolls twice and picks higher number
grim tusk
On average it gives the same boost as an avenger emblem to rogue and 5% to other...
Also broken as fuck with the wand
eternal escarp
lmao
grim tusk
Wand hits every frame, more hits more rolls, higher the chance to get bigger rolls
grim tusk
pine star