sorry about that
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
Little details are good, but this is an expansion of a whole attack, I don't really think that a whole attack is a 'little detail'
ashen warren
fair point, ig it depends on what people think now
cobalt pewter
In this case, having a video example would be nice
Since anyone who doesn't play touhou might not get the actual thing just from text
heady storm
@crystal iron yeah what Feedza said.
ashen warren
and I can't really remember all the ___ cities
there's too many of them
so yeah, a video would be nice
zenith hazel
bot's good now
hardy dock
crystal iron
I can't exactly send a video rn, nor can I anytime soon, but I hope I can explain it well enough
Basically, when the laser is about to split into projectiles brimmy sends a pulse wave down the laser, so basically a wave of the same colour as the laser (to make it look natural and like it's a part of the laser) going down the laser and when it reaches the end of the laser it kind of disintegrates/explodes into projectiles
(Actually is a video from YouTube alright or is it against the server rules)
cobalt pewter
As long as the video in question is relevant, maybe, just make sure the video only showcases the exact thing
ashen warren
that much projectile spam scares me, probably scaling it down a lot should fix that
cobalt pewter
No, the video is just for an example how to do the sugg ig
In which the amount of bullets shown in video would be irrelevant
ashen warren
yeah I know
that's an interesting thing, would be cool to see that type of stuff with Brimmy imo
crystal iron
Can I add the video to my sugg
Ig yes, if it's not allowed then I'll simply remove it from the Sugg later today
hot zephyr
sturdy geyser
its scary
unreal viper
Why is pog not being used
unreal viper
sturdy geyser
make more funy animal pogs
hot zephyr
Drama with the person behind the image
sturdy geyser
amidias pog is fake
unreal viper
Oh
unreal viper
We really are replacing that guy with a popular youtuber because of drama
hot zephyr
Yes
hot zephyr
--->
fossil finch
Calamain doesn't want to be associated with em
kinda dumb since everyone active enough to be able to complain is an internet memer that will use the pog emote no matter what
And yes like what the fuck is :critpog:
unreal viper
fossil finch
It's so bad discord does not want to detect the emote
epic
violet dagger
the pog guy supported the people who broke into the capitol building yesterday
crap discord being ech again
bye that I mean I didnt see half of the messages sent since what ihs asked
cobalt pewter
unreal viper
Dank
hollow shell
(well it's not just that he supported the capitol break-in, he's been a far right conspiracy theorist for years now)
cobalt pewter
(this recent incident just the one that snapped Twitch)
remote crystal
Defiled Rune should work like Looting
In minecraft, the Looting enchantment for Swords increases the drop rate of every item from every mob. i.e., a zombie has a higher chance of dropping more Rotten Flesh, where Endermen have a higher chance of dropping the rare Ender Pearl's, with the added chance for multiple
The Defiled Rune is a difficulty item you start the game with, which eliminates wing flight in exchange for only making very specific items have a higher chance. I think that, especially late game, for this heavy debuff to be worth it, it should make every item drop more often, akin to Minecraft Looting
ashen warren
defiled dies next update btw
remote crystal
Damn nevermind
hollow shell
Yeah Defiled is already gettin the shaft
being replaced with Defiled Feather, an inventory favorite-able item that disables wings and has no upsides
Just the challenge, cuz that's all most people actually liked Defiled for
remote crystal
Understandable
violet dagger
(well it's not *just* that he supported the capitol break-in, he's been a far ri...
so basically alex jones 2.0? sounds about right
cobalt pewter
Either way, kinda off topic now
cobalt pewter
Don't we start talking about that in my sacred sugma disc
Byeah
critpog is gaming in general
I'm more of a 
guy
hollow shell
btw I forgot to mention it earlier but
Feedzuh, about your modifier sugg
Have you experienced the new Goblin Tinkerer reforge system yet?
jovial spire
it's not in any of the public versions yet
if you mean the more upgrade-like system
hollow shell
Wait really?
hot zephyr
Merk has been hesitant to talk about it in #calamity-update-talk but I've heard a fair bit about it so I'm not sure if the fine details are public yet
earnest cape
all I know is it only works on weapons, after a few hits you'll get the best modifier for a weapon
sand umbra
yeah that's referencing weapons
accessories are decidedly not weapons in the vast majority of scenarios
hollow shell
exceptions being Fungal Symbiote, Shield of Cthulhu, etc
Aight
Didn't realize it excluded accessories
sand umbra
(accessory reforges are also organized significantly differently, so even if it did apply there'd be a lot of questions as to which modifier is the "best" or how that's even determined)
hollow shell
Well presumably it'd just cycle through all the +4%s
(I hope the new weapon reforge doesn't prevent you from getting Ruthless at the highest levels, actually)
sand umbra
(I'd also hope this is the case, given that Ruthless is ideal for multiple weapon types)
(best for raw damage on flails and yo-yos and the like, and it is the straight-up best modifier for the vast majority of summon weapons because of use speed being irrelevant and summons' inability to crit)
cobalt pewter
(best for raw damage on flails and yo-yos and the like, and it is the straight-u...
(also mana usage reduction being particularly useless on summon staffs because haha funne mana)
Byeah rover, I specified mainly for accessories
ashen warren
imo pogvidence is actually better than
cobalt pewter
ehhh
critpog is still better
It's more of the fact that charlie is pog in general
earnest cape
pogvidence more like 
frail mantle
Replace critpog with the full image, arms included, and rename to WOOO or some shit like that iirc
Hahaues
cobalt pewter
Okay uh
crude geode
@slow sphinx There’s already ninja belt upgrades and the ankh shield upgrade line, we don’t need a third dash option. Plus, Evasion Scarf is a donator weapon, so further upgrades are very unlikely.
cobalt pewter
Isn't Evasion like, good stat wise?
earnest cape
it's pretty good
cobalt pewter
Upgrades would be pointless if their primary function is bugged in the first place (e.g. inconsistent dodges)
earnest cape
also isn't making another upgrade to them counterintuitive cause it makes it kinda repetitive
cobalt pewter
Also usually cal dashes don't go as long as weapons in terms of trees
earnest cape
(imo)
cobalt pewter
Shield ram line only has 3 accs
Tabi dash past MNG are only 2 accs
ashen warren
the line for statis was master ninja --> statis belt ---> statis void stash I believe
slow sphinx
It's good, it just felt like it both does and doesn't have progression. I see the point why you don't like the upgrade tree. So I thought of mitigating that by pointing out it could just become part of another upgrade tree
crude geode
That’s not what the suggestion is.
You suggested an upgrade to evasion scarf, in the title.
slow sphinx
Ok, then I'll change it
ashen warren
which would be unnecessary due to there being already two other lines of dashing
crude geode
^^^^
Evasion Scarf is a donator accessory. Good luck getting an upgrade to it when it took a donator to get an upgrade for Counter Scarf.
earnest cape
oh what really?
crude geode
Evasion Scarf is in fact a dono accessory
earnest cape
ah yeah Mason
ashen warren
yknow, I thought they just renamed counter scarf when they first added it
cobalt pewter
Evasion Scarf is highly usable up until scal for its true melee boost
earnest cape
earnest cape
i agree
cobalt pewter
Scarf dash is probably the inferior dash
earnest cape
at that point sash is better lulw and I don't need to mention ram
sand umbra
I already don't like Counter Scarf itself and I dislike Evasion Scarf even more
cobalt pewter
At least Tabi dash has range (if that matters), and shield dash has i-frames on ram
ashen warren
sash is better and aegis line has ram ig
sand umbra
dashes are stupid powerful in this game 
crude geode
Scarf is discount RoD
earnest cape
dashes are stupid powerful in this game <:ech:641680457649487902>
they're more "powerful" next update :))
cobalt pewter
Spectral Veil is closer to RoD than Scarves are
earnest cape
well ramming to be specific I guess
crude geode
That’s because spectral veil is RoD
Byech
Dashes should really just be like permanent upgrades instead of taking up an accessory slot. Like there’s no chance in hell of you not using a dash.
crude geode
I just find it annoying how little accessory slots you have in this fucking game
ashen warren
cryo lore fucking dies
crude geode
No room for experimentation unless you want to actively shoot yourself in the fucking foot
sand umbra
no there's no room for experimentation because the game doesn't fucking allow it because of how certain accs are literally necessary to live, and this is not a flaw Calamity fixes in any real capacity
crude geode
That’s my point
sand umbra
the number of acc slots is not and never will be the problem
crude geode
You have to have some form of wings, boots, and fucking dash in hm
That’s 3 slots immediately taken up
sand umbra
the problem is that certain accs are made infinitely more necessary than others
cobalt pewter
Mhm
ashen warren
and so you only have 3 left
ashen warren
ah
crude geode
Did I say post moon lord?
sand umbra
(fun fact: the necessity for a dash in Hardmode is more or less purely a Calamity thing, the only vanilla HM thing you really need a dash for is Duke)
crude geode
You have to have some form of wings, boots, and fucking dash in hm
^^^
ashen warren
because there's literally nothing else to put in
crude geode
Yeaaaah adding another dash line just sounds...a headache.
slow sphinx
Yeaaaah adding another dash line just sounds...a headache.
I don't think this would be adding another dash line, just tying two together
slow sphinx
About the 2 diagonal dashes
wot
cobalt pewter
Plagued Fuel Pack and Blunder Booster
sand umbra
oh I didn't
I was factoring in Plagued Fuel Pack and Blunder Booster
ashen warren
that's another line ig
sand umbra
which while unique are still dashes
slow sphinx
I had no idea those items existed
ashen warren
even more saturation, even if they are unique
crude geode
If they didn’t take stealth I would consider them actual dashes
but like why use a portion of your stealth and an accessory slot to do something you can do for just an accessory slot
sand umbra
and this is the problem we come to when we have like 10 different dashes
the inevitable "why use X dash when Y dash is superior in all regards"
sand umbra
i.e. this is vanilla's pre-1.4 wing problem all over again
crude geode
You still have a debate between the ninja line and the shield line, but those two diagonal dashes would be able to compete if they didn’t require stealth
sand umbra
ninja line is the funny
Asgard's is mainly able to compete because it comes with an Ankh upgrade
and Ankh is the one of the kings of wonderful tinkers to have
fuck
I can't find the dash length comparison picture
but from what I remember Tabi/Statis' dash is like five miles longer than Asgard's dash
slow sphinx
Ok I think I was able to deal-ish with the problem of the suggestion
crude geode
To make up for an inability to bonk yes
slow sphinx
^
crude geode
The title is fucking wack
slow sphinx
Indeed it is
crude geode
and implies you want more counter scarves further in progression
sand umbra
(also adding it into a pre-existing dash line would lock that entire line to Revengeance Mode and up which is highkey scuffed)
slow sphinx
gimme a second
cobalt pewter
fuck
I can't find the dash length comparison picture
Dis?
slow sphinx
(also adding it into a pre-existing dash line would lock that entire line to Rev...
good point
sand umbra
YEAH
THAT PIC
earnest cape
it's pinned in #help-advice-read-pins lul
earnest cape
crude geode
slow sphinx
I thought I edit it and it completely failed to edit
sand umbra
byeah look at that
Tabi/Statis dash is like 40% longer
crude geode
to make up for lack of bonk yes
cobalt pewter
SoC remains the only option that have a unique dash by itself
crude geode
which is fixed next update
sand umbra
it's like 2 in the morning I should be functioning better than this but I'm not
incredible
in any event it's not about the lack of bonk
Asgard's bash deals a mere 100 base damage, that is nothing at all post-Plantera even when considering stat bonuses
cobalt pewter
Bonks and rams are strong, in any case
cobalt pewter
Asgard's bash deals a mere 100 base damage, that is nothing at all post-Plantera...
It's less about the damage and more about the i-frames iirc
crude geode
^
sand umbra
its i-frames (pre-1.5, at least) don't even work right if I remember rightly
crude geode
yes but it’s getting fixed next update so the debate is accurate
sand umbra
yeah once it gets fixed it'll have more of an argument
crude geode
Would you rather take the much longer dash and dodge chance, or the stat boost and bonk?
sand umbra
although then the favor is going to lean very heavily towards Asgard's
because again, Ankh upgrade
heady storm
Okay I'm "available."
sand umbra
hi Chetto
heady storm
What bosses for shifting sands.
sand umbra
GSS
slow sphinx
^?
heady storm
To test against Thomas.
cobalt pewter
Probably Aureus and Levi?
sand umbra
it was a joke
byeah jokes aside
probably Aureus + A&L, and maybe Golem although he sucks so lul
heady storm
Okay then.
crude geode
Cool and pog
I feel like wings/dash/boots should really should just be permanent upgrades, instead of clogging up your accessory slots because you literally cannot function without them.
and of course be rebalanced around that
cobalt pewter
Wings are
crude geode
Never going to sugg it
slow sphinx
I feel like wings/dash/boots should really should just be permanent upgrades, in...
Yes and no
heady storm
Oh you know what, this gives me an opportunity to try out SSTN.
cobalt pewter
I feel like the wing spread is really unbalanced on hm and pml
crude geode
?
slow sphinx
I think they would be tied in, maybe like starlight river or what ever it's called
cobalt pewter
pml lacks interesting wings, while hm is chock full of just wings that it makes some harder to balance (like Hadarian being interesting yet always pitted up against Exodus)
heady storm
Sand Shark Tooth Necklace if that was directed towards me.
crude geode
(Exodus needs to die)
Both actually, Byeah. Sand Shark Tooth Necklace
cobalt pewter
Exodus needs to be at the same tier as lunar wings imo ye
Post ML
This gives Hadarian even a bit of breathing room
slow sphinx
Did distorted get removed from SG?
cobalt pewter
No
slow sphinx
crude geode
~~back to #calamity-mod-talk ~~
slow sphinx
Why?
cobalt pewter
Funne limit to cripple me 
slow sphinx
O
cobalt pewter
So technically I need to have no suggs in posting before I can sugg anything else
crude geode
it’s literally to stop you from shooting yourself in the foot
slow sphinx
Makes sense
earnest cape
heady storm
No leaks today.
slow sphinx
Nop
earnest cape
crude geode
slow sphinx
Wing, Dash, Boots, Damage, Tank
cobalt pewter
Lemme check which one
crude geode
seems good to me
heady storm
Okay excellent.
crude geode
looks sandy to me
heady storm
Well I just discovered a mishap anyway, so let's continue.
heady storm
**Shifting Sands: ** [Mythical]
Gear: Spectre Armor [Mask], Spectre Wings, Angel Treads, Mana Flower / Nature's Gift, Celestial Emblem, SSTN (3/6 menacing).
Pots: Well Fed, Stimulants, Rage, Wrath, Magic Power.
Astrum Aureus:
Mana Potions with Mana Flower: 2:52 (2670 average).
Mana Regeneration Potions with Nature's Gift: 2:39 (2857 average).
Anahita and Leviathan:
Mana Potions with Mana Flower: 4:27 (1984 average).
Mana Regeneration Potions with Nature's Gift: 4:27 (2166 average).
@crude geode
crude geode
So weirdly decent enough on Astrum Aureus but awful on Anahita and Levi
cobalt pewter
Probably because the fight is half chomk half smol
With Levi being the former and Ana the latter
heady storm
Yeah I blame it on there being a duo of bosses entirely.
heady storm
Both bosses on average are supposed to take at least 3 minutes to kill, so I might just propose a health nerf.
cobalt pewter
heady storm
Anything else?
heady storm
Not a problem.
cobalt pewter
So shitting sans is basically big hitbox heavy
hollow shell
(this is a brilliant nickname for this weapon)
crude geode
muramasamasamasamamasamasa should be the nickname for murasama How the fuck did my autocorrect not detect the first one but the second one
cobalt pewter
crude geode
me whenever feedzuh uses a emote
distant vault
ashen warren
Poggers sugg?
earnest cape
dont know how I feel about this
distant vault
w
crude geode
Summoner being left out once again
Why can’t summons crit?
frail mantle
doesn't calamity give summoner a set 10% crit chance at all times or is that just something i've imagined
crude geode
Think that might have been bugged
cobalt pewter
Not sure, I did remember cal giving minions a fixed 4% crit, but I can't remember if it works or not
crude geode
Also lucky doesn’t instantly become better if crit damage is boosted. Menacing is still such a high damage boost, and deserves such a nerf.
earnest cape
nerfing menacing 
crude geode
“do you want to start ww3 because calamity players don’t understand game design and balance very well”
earnest cape
tbf menacing is still pretty iconic outside of calamity
cause haha good flat damage boost go br
crude geode
you say that like it’s actually a flat damage boost like +1 damage
serene fox
tesla pot is dumb yes
eternal escarp
i mean, i dont see them that OP tbh
because i try using them to increase my damage so i get close to bosses on purpose, so thats just me
tight echo
It made my nohits a lot easier soooo no
earnest cape
using no hits for balancing 
crude geode
^^
eternal escarp
^^^^
serene fox
it still invalidates a certain portion of fights
like
golem fists become useless
vile spit is gone
eternal escarp
1.4 flails will go brr in the future, byeah
tight echo
But with tesla its gone even if you dont move or shoot
earnest cape
you still need to move tbf
crude geode
Oh wow, using my weapon is so hard
distant vault
tesla is just exist and oopsies no hungries or any small things with hitboxes can hit me
eternal escarp
i mean, you can always just, make it not stun things if thats even possible
serene fox
(it is)
earnest cape
(inferno potions exist)
crude geode
doesn’t that take away the whole purpose of it?
tight echo
If its not gonna get nerf. It should not be able to use in nohits
crude geode
Why are you talking about no hits here sir
serene fox
inferno pot doesn't do direct damage
eternal escarp
tesla deals damage tho, thats the thing, i think it should still deal some damage, just not stun anything inside
serene fox
tesla pot does
earnest cape
using no hits for balancing x2
eternal escarp
^
serene fox
which is why it deletes vile spit
earnest cape
it still does debuff damage to anything in the aura
tight echo
Bexause i just finished nohiting pre hm rev bosses
earnest cape
which also deletes vile spit
serene fox
does it?
earnest cape
yes
eternal escarp
tbh i just used tesla potion for only QB iirc in my no hits, you chose to minmax lol
earnest cape
it's the whole purpose of inferno
eternal escarp
Vile Spit dies to any damage
^
thats the thing
tesla isnt the only easy deletion too
crude geode
golem fists die as long as you shoot a weapon
eternal escarp
well yeah, but golem fists are a bit diffrent ig?
serene fox
yeah but you can still get caught if like y'know
eternal escarp
they are easier to hit
crude geode
...
earnest cape
golem fists are harder to hit cause of their small hitbox and how active golem moves imo
(unless homing ech)
eternal escarp
(i was kinda joking yeah)
so basically
tesla should still do dmg imo, but the stunning should go (not the debuff, ig)
which would make it still great early on
but later it wont be much of a help
crude geode
Isn’t the damage the thing that causes the stun?
earnest cape
maybe just make it not affect some enemies and affect others
eternal escarp
idk how it works
earnest cape
so like it won't affect the thing that comes out of crab when you damage him
eternal escarp
hm
serene fox
it's both mechanics
eternal escarp
yeah that can work, but sounds like more stuff to do
serene fox
the damage and the debuff
tight echo
Make slowing effect doent work for boss minnions too
eternal escarp
i do agree with tesla change a bit
crude geode
Oh no, an actually useful potion! Time to nerf it until it’s inferno potion tier f
eternal escarp
but the giant pearl is just you using a cheese
the only thing i agree with tesla in the stun locking yeah
because nerfing it more would just make it shit prolly
crude geode
Nerfing an actually useful potion feels unnecessary to me. If you’re going after a challenge, and you clearly are since you’re no-hitting, don’t use it.
eternal escarp
^
best solution tbh
its the same thing with halibut ig
the weapon is OP
dont use it if you wanna expirience the game
also judging by how suggestion posting works, this suggestion wont get much stars anyways tbh
crude geode
It’s one of the few potions in Cal that is actually fairly unique and not just stat buff, both useful for normal exploring while also being useful for boss fights.
crude geode
in fact it’s pretty much the only non stat buff pot, but ig that’s what makes it unique
serene fox
at least make certain boss minions and projectiles unaffected
serene fox
it can be strong but it shouldn't take away certain mechanics from a fight
earnest cape
yeh
crude geode
Shooting a minishark takes away the mechanic of vile spit from EoW, and any piercing weapon like hellwing staff takes away the mushrooms.
Maybe don’t make the projectiles hurtable if you don’t want that to happen.
crude geode
Shooting the boss?
serene fox
removes them
eternal escarp
i mean
eternal escarp
its not going to happen anytime soon but agian
1.4 flails are just tesla potion without buff slot
(itll be far away, yeah, but till then we know whats going to happen)
crude geode
Arguably, you have to go out of your way more to cheese with Tesla pots than to use a weapon against a boss
eternal escarp
each potion needs the sea prisms and gold, which if you dont play with any other mod isnt that easy to get
serene fox
perfectly hit all of them what
serene fox
and mushrooms come from above
eternal escarp
in Rev+ iirc
crude geode
he do
serene fox
which means you have to divert aim towards them
eternal escarp
and tbh tesla doesnt kill crabulons shrooms at all
you still need to move from what i remember when i no hitted and fought him myself
crude geode
Hellwing Staff summons projectiles from above you.
eternal escarp
the stunning of said shrooms just makes them drop a bit slower but directly
im fine if the only thing to change is removing the stunning effect while bosses are active
but anything else will just ruin the potion imo
crude geode
This just naturally kills crabulon mushrooms by existing lol. Maybe just make it so you can’t hurt the projectile the boss uses?
Since that’s just kinda weird
eternal escarp
yknow what im testing tesla potions viablity
i need to see how this is actually that good like he says
earnest cape
why would you use a post eow weapon to balance pre eow boss
eternal escarp
EoW, fine i see why, but crabulon shrooms?
also i mean, yeah that weapon is pre crab / EoW
so not a very great arguement unless he actually goes to minmax
which in that case
is just his fault
serene fox
it's post-eow but not™️
eternal escarp
(but since he no hitted the stuff, he prolly didnt)
eternal escarp
it's post-eow but not™️
yeah
earnest cape
(if he is no hitting) he wouldn't even be allowed to use it pre eow
eternal escarp
yeah thats the thing
earnest cape
very true
crude geode
The argument of “firing your weapon takes more input” for crabulon doesn’t make sense for most of the projectiles, as it’s what you do to fight the boss.
eternal escarp
yeah for crabulon that just makes zero sense imo
EoW as i said, i do kinda understand
but it doesnt make the fight cheesed, since he still charges at you and has the cursed flames
earnest cape
we talking about tesla or wot
eternal escarp
tesla
EoW still posses a threat, its just smaller if you have tesla
unless you go straight to his face and melt him, but thats smthn else tbh
actually nevermind
you cant do that
he doesnt get stunned by it himself it seems unless he splits
for crabulon i just dont see the problem, crabulon itself still posses a threat, the shrooms die after 4 hits, and they get stuck above you making jumping an issue in some situations, and the shroom cielings dont get stunned at all
crude geode
I really don’t see it being op. If anything needs to change, it should be the bosses’ projectiles being affected by damage in the first place.
eternal escarp
tbh i just dont think anything needs to change, other then maybe removing the tesla's stun effect on anything while a boss is alive
although that still is not needed imo
golden narwhal
I really don’t see it being op. If anything needs to change, it should be the bo...
It only affects vile spits and shrooms because the former is a npc as part of its gimmick and the latter is just a minion
eternal escarp
since bosses like QB and Crabulon still poss a threat very similiar to without it
golden narwhal
It doesn't affect actual projs afaik
eternal escarp
it does not
eternal escarp
so first of all, minmaxing potions imo should really even be called OP, since you kinda, well
minmaxed yourself
unless the potions are absolutely OP, which i dont see tesla like it at all
second, the point imo arent really that big
and if golems hands do actually get stunned
make them immune
the rest imo isnt really supposed to, but making immune to stun while a boss is alive is fine imo, but more then it will just ruin the uniqueness and purpose of this potion as being usefull
(and lets be honest, the suggestion itself is valid ofc, but i dont think many people will vote to nerf a potion that isnt really that OP to begin with)
eternal escarp
i think so a bit before
earnest cape
i wouldnt say it has
eternal escarp
#suggestions-discussion message i think from this message
tawny garden
Because usually things like that aren't a result of community suggestions, but rather are Fab's decision to implement them
eternal escarp
discussion was very small tho, so dunno
serene fox
to the what
swift wharf
i am confused
crude geode
No future content and no boss suggestions @blazing dawn
tawny garden
What
sleek turret
we are confused.
swift wharf
even feedzuh is broken what is this
tawny garden
@radiant meadow kill
swift wharf
burn it
sleek turret
reason seems just to be a quote to something
swift wharf
lemme take a pic first
cobalt pewter
This seems to make sense somewhat yes
sharp prism
its a dont though
cobalt pewter
though let's get real here, calart will just try to resprite Torrential Tear for the 67th time
sharp prism
iirc
cobalt pewter
It's not on the quality from what I can understand
sharp prism
resprite suggs are dont
cobalt pewter
It's on the consistency
Resprite sugg is only a don't if it's solely about the quality of the current sprite
sharp prism
ic
swift wharf
Makes sense to me
heady storm
@fleet silo bug fix suggestions are not allowed.
fleet silo
heady storm
It’s not the first to occur.
sharp prism
it uses that same spawning requirements as regular meteorites expect to has to spawn on dungeon side
iirc
cobalt pewter
@graceful path first off, try following the formatting of other suggs in posting
tawny garden
The title and reason should be on separate lines
Check out the topmost message in #suggestions-posting
And the doc linked in that
graceful path
Edited, i hope it's fine now, sorry
tawny garden
ivory perch
<@!530823358707793941> No specific item suggestions
Sorry, but I don't know what does it mean… 😂
weak field
It's a specific item suggestino
radiant meadow
It means you can't suggest a specific item to be added with like name, stats, etc.
cobalt pewter
sis gaming
radiant meadow
Also, generally avoid suggesting something to be added post-SC
because that's dev tier
cobalt pewter
Reading the doc in pins can help with suggesting stuff
ivory perch
Ok.
cobalt pewter
What to do, what to not do, etc etc
ivory perch
I'm suggesting for the first time.
cobalt pewter
Good time to check the doc 
cobalt pewter
Alrighty
gray nebula
post SC boots drip boots
frozen hornet
Damit I was reading it
hot zephyr
drip boot
gray nebula
special ability is to become dated in a month
pine star
😳
hot zephyr
time to draw cirrus drip
tawny garden
😳
pine star
~~time to draw cirrus drip~~
come on, do it
umbral sonnet
Im having issues with extreme spawn amounts
this is making it harder for me to kill BoC
any ideas?
hot zephyr
this is #suggestions-discussion
umbral sonnet
ik
wooden wedge
not the right channel
zenith hazel
bot's down again, notified amber
half kayak
@graceful path i dont recall luxor's gift making large amounts of noise (besides melee bouncing off a wall in like a 2x3 area or a slow ranger weapon)
graceful path
Try shooting minishark for example or any weapon with similar firerate, it creates large amount of those extra projectiles and at the same time, large amount of noise
half kayak
i think with minishark the weapon will make a lot of sound only when you stop firing
but i do think ranger projectile should get lowered volume
since that's a very loud sound
graceful path
lowered volume, probably also a good idea, since it overshadows the noises made by everything else, including guns, which with some other mods, have nice sound efects (and those makes guns "feel" amazing)
half kayak
i think just changing the sound of ranger projectile would be fine
graceful path
Maybe a sound effect that is less noticable, that just tells you "hey, i'm here but don't mind me"
half kayak
maybe the first part of the electrosphere launcher projectile "exploding"
graceful path
Right now it kinda feels like: "I'm all over the place, hear me!"
graceful path
that and with lower volume
half kayak
yes
it still sounds electric
problem solved
@ashen warren i dont think crit damage boosting is possible in terraria's code
half kayak
havent seen it in other mods
ashen warren
Well maybe it's just a unique idea
half kayak
same noise lunic eye makes
i think the sound isnt loud
but the fact it's playing more than like 5 times per second is loud
half kayak
5 mounted scanner summons noise is like turning the Faster Weapons config to 3 (tripled attack speed) then firing lunic eye.
hasty moon
havent seen it in other mods
it's definitely possible, there's an accessory that does it in thorium
fossil finch
A.K.A Double damage.
tawny garden
what if with, say, 125% crit you had a 25% chance to deal triple damage
balancing that would be hard
remote crystal
There should be something to tell you that a sandstorm is happening
unreal star
eh, you can just go to the desert
tawny garden
and also I don't see why that would be a Calamity feature
versus it being for a random QoL mod
eternal escarp
it sounds simple enough to code to a random QoL mod, but i assume its way harder then it looks
eternal escarp
is it likez just a line to detect if a sandstorm is happening, and then just make it print a message inchat?
ah
yeah so that does sound kinda simple yeah
tawny garden
I mean you could also make some fancy UI and shit
eternal escarp
i mean, no idea how you make UI in terraria tbh
i litterly know grade 8 coding on python and thats it 
eternal escarp
yeah its kinds cringe, but hopefully next year (grade 10) we will learn actuall cool code when i go to highschool stuff
we can continue this convo in #general-talk ig
tawny garden
Terraria.GameContent.Events.Sandstorm.Happening lol
sharp prism
thats useful
eternal escarp
interesting
unreal star
I mean you could also make some fancy UI and shit
put the sandstorm indicator on the mode indicator because why not
shell lynx
I think if they keep adding indicators it’ll start looking like an mmo
hot zephyr
candid dove
Weak
hot zephyr
Except for scissors :p
candid dove
Scissors break on Charlie's beautiful hair
tawny garden
Nothing beats Charlie's hair
Vsauce's beard does
hot zephyr
What'd you just say, Dan?
tawny garden
hot zephyr
I ain't going anywhere 
tawny garden
hot zephyr
candid dove
extends ban time to indefinite
hot zephyr
I'll suggest it
tawny garden
ban all
tawny garden
*extends ban time to indefinite*
that's the wiki world, not the discord world
don't mix the two
hot zephyr
I'm half the server's members, you can't ban us all!
candid dove
Uh, like twice, but either way, we're going too offtopic
tawny garden
lol
hot zephyr
Alright, alright
gray nebula
critpog and hair cropped critpog kinda suck both just zoom on the part of the face that's pogging
if you look at pogu
it's boom just the face nothing more, but it's just cropped, the rest of the bust isn't just voided out
like that
its still magnitudes worse than pogu of course
but at least now the open mouth draws the attention a lot more
probably could be less bad if Charlie actually looked in front of him instead of at the ceiling
but ' that's how his expression was
tawny garden
probably could be less bad if Charlie actually looked in front of him instead of...
you can't look in front of yourself
cobalt pewter
pogu is dead iban
tawny garden
that's not how atoms work
cobalt pewter
Byeah, I don't think there's a footage of front facing charlie doing that
tawny garden
and stuff
gray nebula
haha pogu is dead for non Nitro people here
tawny garden
Byeah, I don't think there's a footage of front facing charlie doing that
use deep learning to get that 
cobalt pewter
I still have a buttload of pogu emotes here, but like, bad emote now 
tawny garden
like somebody did a front-facing Mona Lisa
gray nebula
I can still use the superior emote everywhere I want 
and I guess signal that I'm a turbo racist thanks to it
gray nebula
byeah if there's gonna be a downgraded replacement it probably should look the best it can
cobalt pewter
Yeah that closeup is fine
gray nebula
and a good crop maximising the ratio of pogging mouth to canvas size is a good way to approach that
tawny garden
I have a replacement that I could've sent to genmedia if I weren't warned 
gray nebula
the larger the mouth the more it's recognizable from afar (great for emotes) and also the more it pogs I guess
cobalt pewter
is kinda gaming tbh..,.,.,.
tawny garden
yo
pine star
I personally think pogchips is better
cobalt pewter
gray nebula
plus voidpog's an edit of a sprite that a previois calamity dev made so it's clearly fitting
or some other wack reasoning
unreal viper
I can still use the superior emote everywhere I want <:sunglasser:78381496128975...
Get canceled.
hollow shell
What is "sunglasser" from, if you don't mind me asking
tawny garden
cause they forgot or didn't know
hollow shell
Fucking knew it
radiant meadow
I imagine that somebody might suggest pogu again in like a year and a half
The server has been around for like 3 or 4 years and afaik I was like the first and only person to suggest adding it so I wouldn't be too sure on that.
mortal bison
tfw mods were smart enough to include "no joke suggestions" so you can't suggest the shitty death mode mousepad which is pitch black and just says "Fabsol died to King Slime" in the bottom right
mortal bison
although i still believe it would benefit incredibly and likely be the most bought however that's just my bad reasoning
@tawny garden because it's pretty accurate
tawny garden
tawny garden
no
mortal bison
i probably would
mortal bison
he'd absolutely get accepted
radiant meadow
If he applied, I doubt he'd get accepted.
mortal bison
but i don't think he cares
hollow shell
:(
radiant meadow
Moderators aren't supposed to only exist in one chat.
mortal bison
If he applied, I doubt he'd get accepted.
what the fuck
hollow shell
Yeah that was uh
radiant meadow
wiki channels don't count
tawny garden
he doesn't speak in gen talk
hollow shell
I was asked by the mods on I think more than one occasion if I wanted to be a mod
hollow shell
and I declined on the principal that I am only active in these channels here
mortal bison
respect
hollow shell
and it would be better if I just, had specific perms
mortal bison
but what do you think about my mousepad idea
mortal bison
i know it's pretty epic
radiant meadow
If you post that, I will delete it.
hollow shell
I mean it could be pretty funny but iunno how much Fab would like it
hollow shell
"LordMetarex got impaled by Goldfish" would be a more accepted meme
mortal bison
I'm not gonna post it there unless it's a one off joke made in a vc with fab/any mod who thinks it's funny
radiant meadow
Inside jokes don't make good mousepads meant to be bought by the masses.
tawny garden
lol
radiant meadow
Nitro's art is far better for mousepads.
mortal bison
ben come on at least humor the idea somewhat, crack a joke or two
don't need to be super serious, I'm not here to cause harm, mainly just meming a bit
tawny garden
Ben has no humour
mortal bison
dapper coral
these are the suggestion channels, there isn't much room for memeing
hollow shell
Unless Thomas or Feedzuh are involved
and the memes revolve strictly around making fun of them
dapper coral
fair
mortal bison
fair enough,
fossil finch
time to shitpost about thomas bad sugg rate
mortal bison
but most stuff i do is a joke cause i also made monkey fabsol. which is also by far the stupidest thing i spent an hour making in vc
sand umbra
and the memes revolve strictly around making fun of them
WOW okay
really just tossin' me under the bus like that 
topic
crude geode
@sand umbra Did you know your success rate with post-rework suggs is 5-10% higher than what the devs want for all suggs? They want 20-25% to go to dev, and you have 30% go to dev.
wacky, ain't it?
@hollow shell Apologies for pinging again, but the star requirement should prolly be lowered. If you're still working on your analysis on the late December suggestion stats, understandable.
sand umbra
<@!255151593840705537> Did you know your success rate with post-rework suggs is ...
can't even get over 50%
really am taking a fat L here
hollow shell
mmmm
I guess I could do another count now, soon after my Nov27-Dec10 one
to see how the holidays have affected things
crude geode
mhm
Plus you did say once it was january that if things hadn't changed, the star requirement should be lowered.
marble hazel
<@!255151593840705537> Did you know your success rate with post-rework suggs is ...
sugma statistics
cobalt pewter
and the memes revolve strictly around making fun of them
hollow shell
Intimidating emote
Also this didn't take too long:
Sugg stats for Dec 22 to Jan 5
200 rate:
22.6%
Which is, frankly, perfect
Like literally, the midway between our ideal range of 20% to 25% is 22.5%
tawny garden
crude geode
well then I guess nothing changes
tawny garden
well then I guess nothing changes
you wanted it to get lower, admit it
crude geode
I mean, yes. Because there's a shit ton of suggestions that die at 180
tawny garden
they die because they aren't that great
hollow shell
(I even color coded the suggestion star values that are between 180 and 199 on my spreadsheet, to show which ones got "close")
hollow shell
This is one of the few spreadsheets I've made in my life
Came out pretty aight
got some nice Excel formulas for calculating the percentages
out of True/False columns I have above em for respective star values
(had to look up how to do that tho)
tawny garden
(turns out that if you don't have file perms and you paste something longer than 2000 characters into the chat, Discord will have a stroke)
hollow shell
Good
proper grail
Nice job with the stats Rover 
sand umbra
WAIT THE AERIALITE SUGG GOT TO 200
YES
AND THE ICE BIO-CENTER ONE TOO
bro this is the best
you have no idea how scared I was the Ice Bio-Center Lab sugg I made was gonna sputter out and die at like 197 or some shit
I would just never be allowed to live that down
truly incredible
cobalt pewter
sand umbra
I dunno what changed but clearly I'm doin' somethin' right
of the 7 suggs I've posted in the past 30 days, 3 have reached star req
devout seal
what's the ice-bio one?
cobalt pewter
zealous ridge
it may not even be a matter of doing something right, nessecarily
not to discredit the ideas, at all
theyre good suggestions
but it might just be conincidence
yet, i suspect something about the subject of the sugg is helping
umbral sonnet
has anyone ever had issues with building an arena
whole sedge
LuiAFK and Fargo's already do this perfectly nor do I see why calamity would really need to do this 
probably a few other mods do that also but i do not remember them off the top of my head
cobalt pewter
Uhhh
- This is a bit specific
- There are mods out there that simplify arena making
Cal doesn't need to do this
heady storm
Yeah that is a SIS.
slow sphinx
Any problems with the suggestion?
heady storm
Sounds alright.
slow sphinx
Good, everyone hates distorted
slow sphinx
**Remove** instead of **Removed**
Thanks for catching that
cobalt pewter
slow sphinx
Indeed
crude geode
@heady storm bot down
Crit damage sugg needs to go through (even tho it might constitute a large scale rework)
heady storm
Manual approval works.
heady storm
Yeah, essentially.
Do give the bot at least 2 minutes to approve suggestions by the way.
cobalt pewter
Altix did mention that manipulating crit damage on personal projectile basis should be possible
But idk if there's a way to globalize that
crude geode
That mounted scanner sugg is gonna be in there for like 12 hours
heady storm
10 rather.
bold wave
Tbh I feel like distorted is a reasonable punishment for getting hit by Slime God Core, as it's relatively easy to dodge, especially with Skyline Wings and Counter Scarf
heady storm
BoB makes it even easier.
eternal escarp
its prty easy to deal with imo
^
and getting hit by the core after the big slimes are gone (because core gun) is uh
well
just a you fault tbh
bold wave
BoB?
eternal escarp
Bundle Of Balloons
bold wave
Ah
eternal escarp
and you can use distorted sometimes to escape tbh
if you do it smart enough
its not always cheap shot
tawny garden
a nerf sugg went through
eternal escarp
no one will vote because the potion isnt even OP
tawny garden
I assume potions are also going to be rebalanced in 1.5
tawny garden
no one will vote because the potion isnt even OP <:ech:636958034748375042>
Eclipse_Mirror already voted
eternal escarp
eclipse the fuck
swift wharf
fuck
i am brainded on suggestion voting
for all those times my suggestions didnt get enough votes so i star every single one of them
eternal escarp
the potion is really not that OP tbh, i explained this yesterday
tawny garden
"Click star on everything"?
eternal escarp
also using no hits to balance things is
swift wharf
i also star every feedzuh or ian suggestions
tawny garden
And hoooly shit did the posting/voting split improve the quality
I went from starring like 40% of suggs to starring ~97% of suggs
tawny garden
And the amount of stars on an average sugg got doubled
heady storm
Okay what.
tawny garden
Oh lol
Remember when that thing was sold post-skeletron
cobalt pewter
haha funne masturbate joke in any case, might help your case if you'd research names of relevant items in your suggs
tawny garden
also that
cobalt pewter
"Supreme Tackle Box thing" doesn't sit well with me
cobalt pewter
the only time you're legally allowed to not use the full name of something is Triactis' jddiidfickcofmrkdkxkdksskzkzk
tawny garden
Triactis' True Paladinian Mage-Hammer of Might
cobalt pewter
Or as I'd like to call "why the fuck is this post scal weapon so basic h"
tawny garden
You won't believe how much pain I got from that name on the wiki
It just doesn't fit anywhere
Anyway offtopic
Isn't it sold so far into the game because of balancing
cobalt pewter
Fishing is
tawny garden
And so that there is variety
cobalt pewter
So yeah, I don't really know the bait balance
fossil finch
fishing?
just get 90 different qol mods
crude geode
You naturally get crates that give you master bait if you fish, and you get crate potions via the first boss in the mod. If you fish in any regard, you’ll have enough of the bait for the supreme fishing station
tawny garden
Yeah, in fairness, you can use Journeyman Bait to farm for Master Bait
crude geode
mhm
tawny garden
Back when it was sold post-Skeletron, I only had to buy Master Bait once
Then it came into my hands while I was fishing
crude geode
“But muh quality of life” the quality of life fishing bait got nerfed for a reason. Just use journeyman bait to get Master bait @worn cobalt
crude geode
you also are meant to fight enemies for essences. Be glad that you can do it for something as brainless as fishing.
worn cobalt
