suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

or SamSmirk ig

[cobalt pewter]

I kinda wann

a

[eternal escarp]

the emote suggestions got less then my suggestion to make a crafting recipe make more sense

[cobalt pewter]

Repost the muramasa sugg

[ashen warren]

yeah they did lmao

[cobalt pewter]

Murasama*

[earnest cape]

wot

[eternal escarp]

muramasa sugg 😳

[crude geode]

Imagine reposting suggs,,,,couldn’t be me

[ashen warren]

Muramasa sugg, jesus christ

[earnest cape]

oh yeah speaking about reposts my dragon folly sugg got less than before

[ashen warren]

didn't you just redo the brimstone monster thing

[crude geode]

and my late hm sugg? Yes

[ashen warren]

[earnest cape]

whatever happened to that sugg btw

\did it die

[crude geode]

Which one?

Late hm?

Shockingly no

[earnest cape]

ye

o

did it get through?

[crude geode]

which means that all my suggestions must be thesis level length
Undecided. Democracy hell if I had to guess.

[earnest cape]

democracy amirite

[tawny garden]

Yes, chongus suggs can perform

[ashen warren]

the oldest calamity anarchy sugg

[eternal escarp]

this took way to long to get suggested tbh

[cobalt pewter]

Specific sugg

[eternal escarp]

or was it already once?

[unique kite]

i thought it was, but couldn't find it

[earnest cape]

thast specific

[eternal escarp]

you did make it specific tho yeah

[unique kite]

fixed

[tawny garden]

Asgardian and Elysian are changed next update

100% happening

[unique kite]

wait are they

[tawny garden]

Yes

[crude geode]

That may be why nobody has sugged then

[eternal escarp]

wait, how do you know philo

[unique kite]

didn't see anything in changelog

[eternal escarp]

was it stated?

[tawny garden]

Ben exploded in #wiki-basic because of these

[earnest cape]

ah yes

[eternal escarp]

oh

[unique kite]

wtf is wikibasic

[earnest cape]

great gif along with the sugg feedza

[eternal escarp]

we cant access it

[crude geode]

he knows because he stalks people

[earnest cape]

a channel

[tawny garden]

He was really pissed

[eternal escarp]

obligatory mess up of cross lining

[ashen warren]

Oh yeah that Murasama sugg

god Feedzuh, don't do this to the devs

[tawny garden]

That people talk a lot about Asgardian vs. Elysian

[eternal escarp]

huh

[unique kite]

yeah but has it been suggested directly

[eternal escarp]

didnt know that ever happened tbh

[unique kite]

don't see why it shouldn't be suggested since we haven't been explicitly told it's changing

[eternal escarp]

i recal people talking about it near merk, so im sure most of the devs know

[tawny garden]

Well, I'm telling you

[crude geode]

@radiant meadow

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

Oh but I will

[eternal escarp]

feedzuh is just careless

[radiant meadow]

is this the stupid aegis thing?

[earnest cape]

Yes

[crude geode]

Yep

[eternal escarp]

it is

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[earnest cape]

Yes it is

[unique kite]

yep

[radiant meadow]

[crude geode]

I agree

[eternal escarp]

i can feel the emote

[radiant meadow]

Aegis stuff isn't set in stone yet.

[ashen warren]

:fear:

[unique kite]

so a suggestion is still clear then

[earnest cape]

ben when he sees an aegis sugg

[radiant meadow]

if you suggest to make asgardian longer or elysian shorter, you will die

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[earnest cape]

[ashen warren]

is it that bad?

wow

[unique kite]

i just suggested buffing asgardian

[crude geode]

Time to die

[ashen warren]

still making it longer ig

[unique kite]

time to die

[radiant meadow]

I gave asgardian life regen and removed it from elysian

[earnest cape]

LETSGGOOOOO

[ashen warren]

to the shadow realm or smth

[eternal escarp]

hm

[earnest cape]

good enough ig

[unique kite]

why is the dash difference there anyway

[radiant meadow]

because Terraria

[unique kite]

is it an unchanged old stat or

[radiant meadow]

is a shit g

ame

[eternal escarp]

tbf, why would you use a longer dash for Scal?

[radiant meadow]

and doesn't know that 22 is bigger than 21

apparently

[eternal escarp]

damn

[unique kite]

??

[crude geode]

Don’t ask

[eternal escarp]

terraria in a nutshell eh

[crude geode]

It’s bad redcode

[earnest cape]

21 is biggers cause of the memes

[crude geode]

Whenever someone brings up terraria being a garbage game

1. Bad game design
2. Code is absolute trash

[unique kite]

where are these 21 and 22 coming from

[radiant meadow]

the dash distance input numbers

[unique kite]

so asgardian dash being shorter is technically a bug?

[radiant meadow]

sure

[eternal escarp]

more like terraria issue

as a whole

(i think)

[earnest cape]

someone rewiting terraria code when

[eternal escarp]

terraria 2.0, the good one

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

no one would touch it with a hundred foot pole

[unique kite]

well 2 tile dash difference is legit unnoticeable in normal play anyway

[eternal escarp]

just burn it from the roots

[eternal escarp]

i mean, yeah

[unique kite]

i wish you could disable specific dashes

i want to use short dash for scal while keeping asgadian equipped

that was such a good feature

[crude geode]

Just use ball and chain and cryo lore

[unique kite]

i do

but cryo lore is f

[earnest cape]

bonk shield

[unique kite]

i want to bonk scal ffs

[eternal escarp]

tbh i like it this way, since the shields being visible ruined the vanity of a character (although this is prolly a less important thing tbh)

[unique kite]

wait

[earnest cape]

why would you use dash fro scal

[unique kite]

i used invisible dye

[crude geode]

Is that an external mod?

[unique kite]

instant "oh fuck" stop/direction swivel

[earnest cape]

it is

yes

[crude geode]

Cringe

You should prolly remove your suggestion considering Ben has mentioned it being changed next update @unique kite

[unique kite]

he said it's not set in stone yet

but yeah probably

[crude geode]

^^^

Byech

It might not be possibly to be buffed in the way you want tbh

[unique kite]

yes but

[eternal escarp]

i mean

the fact its a next update thing anyways

its kindof the same thing with feedzuh's stealth suggestion from a day ago

[cobalt pewter]

Or a better example, that exclaimed stealth sugg

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah

lol

[crude geode]

you’re going to murder Iban’s hands Feedzuh

[radiant meadow]

It's changing next update. the exact changes aren't set in stone yet.

[unique kite]

good enough

[crude geode]

Wait, wouldn’t giving murasama ranged capabilities go against it being (supposedly) true melee?

[tawny garden]

It's already not really True Melee

Apart from classifying as such in the code

iirc

I don't have the calamity source na telefonie, I can't check

[cobalt pewter]

Also the range is

[crude geode]

Eh it’s fine

[unique kite]

range is good enough

more than good enough for what it's used for, which is parts of scal and boss rush

[tawny garden]

What the fuck

"good enough"?

[unique kite]

it's true melee

fuck do you want it to be

[tawny garden]

If it's "true melee", it shouldn't take up the whole fucking screen

[unique kite]

oh you mean too big

[tawny garden]

Yes

[unique kite]

yeah probably but nobody's going to agree on that

[tawny garden]

Iban agrees

[unique kite]

it's like nerfing frog leg
we all know it should happen but most people don't want it to

[tawny garden]

And that's good enough for me

Bully Iban into suggesting it straight to dev

[civic notch]

I appreciate the MGR reference

But the last thing it needs is more range

[pine star]

Maybe after you "shoot" the blade, you can't use the weapon at all for 10 seconds?

[crude geode]

Oh no, I have to retrieve the weapon! consumes ceaseless void pot

[pine star]

That's why I mentioned being unable to use the weapon, period for 10 seconds

[crude geode]

Yeah

@cobalt pewter

[cobalt pewter]

I was actually thinking of it differently

The way it's lodged in the environment will be kinda like Daybreak, and as long as it's lodged in, you can't swap off the weapon

[unreal viper]

aero stone is useless because of frog leg, and even if frog leg gets nerfed, vital jelly will be better next update

[civic notch]

Doesn’t this range attack kinda defeat the point of true melee

Like true melee sucks ass yes

But making true melee better doesn’t mean... Yknow... destroying true melee

[sharp prism]

briny baron has a alt attack that shots a projectile

but its mainly true melee

[civic notch]

But it doesn’t, Yknow give true melee on hit with the projectile

[sharp prism]

you dont have to use it if you dont want to

thats the point im trying to make

[cobalt pewter]

True melee relies less on the weapons and more on the strikes

Which exists on every single broadswords

[hallow kraken]

what the

[cobalt pewter]

As well as spears

[sharp prism]

well

this is

[half kayak]

feel free to spam ping me here on my 2nd ever suggestion
can i have some feedback on my suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

SIS

[sharp prism]

Bravs not online

[sturdy geyser]

this is a specific item suggestion, which is against the rules

[sharp prism]

^

[half kayak]

mine?

[cobalt pewter]

Read doc in pins

[sturdy geyser]

yes yours

[hardy dock]

are those not already in the game?

[cobalt pewter]

No

[civic notch]

The terra ray kinda is ye

[eternal escarp]

we have terra ray iirc

[half kayak]

can i just say a terra and elemental item related to 1.4 rainbow rod mechanics

[cobalt pewter]

Rays are different kinda

[hardy dock]

oh right it's a ray

[half kayak]

that doesnt capture the wand type of mage

[eternal escarp]

i mean

[sturdy geyser]

you could say

rainbow rod upgrades

[eternal escarp]

^

[civic notch]

Rays are literally of the wand subclass

[half kayak]

ok

[sturdy geyser]

thats a possible suggestion to make

[eternal escarp]

^

[cobalt pewter]

In fact ray weaps are the least developed in cal atm

[sturdy geyser]

but giving name, crafting recipe, and effects is too specific

[cobalt pewter]

Literally the entire line aside from Valk and maybe Vivid do the exact same thing

[eternal escarp]

yeah this is omega specification

lol

[sharp prism]

this

[half kayak]

changed 😉

[cobalt pewter]

Remove the first line

[eternal escarp]

it can mess up the bot yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Also suggestions about 1.4 is a no, so just refer to rainbow rod in general

[half kayak]

👍

[pine star]

at least vivid clarity has the BOOM

[sharp prism]

yes

[hardy dock]

b o o m

[civic notch]

Anyway the idea that we will be taking away true melee’s kinda signature weapon to turn it into an amalgamation of regular melee kinda

Idk

[cobalt pewter]

Explain a concrete reason why Rainbow Rod upgrades are needed as well

[half kayak]

already did

[cobalt pewter]

iirc we only have 1 more weapon that does this kinda thing

Which is Shifting Sands

[half kayak]

theres no auric elemental or terra wand

not counting The Wand

[hardy dock]

Shifting Sands is bad

[half kayak]

the rays are staffs not wands btw

[hardy dock]

bruh

theyre the same thing

[sharp prism]

wands are staff subclasses

[eternal escarp]

yeah its the same thing

[sharp prism]

[eternal escarp]

its like calling bows archer subclass

[hardy dock]

[half kayak]

i just rlly want the rainbow rod to get some love in 1.4

[pine star]

repeaters

[civic notch]

To quote the calamity wiki

“Magic weapons are weapons that consume mana. They mostly come in the form of staves, spell tomes and magic guns. Magic weapons”

Wands are staves

Staves are wands

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[pine star]

Wands are just small staves

[cobalt pewter]

I mean feel free to not agree on it, but my take is that as long as the primary function of it works perfectly (current), the launching thing is just a little flavor that can be used if you want to

[half kayak]

k ima go change that

[civic notch]

Yeah but like

[half kayak]

alright theres the point

we have no small staff items for terra and elemental

[eternal escarp]

bruh

the size of the item means nothing

[civic notch]

Form over function doesn’t amount to much when we will be further neglecting the subclass even more

[half kayak]

alright fine

[eternal escarp]

shortswords arent broadsowrds, so dont use that as an example, they are actually diffrent

[half kayak]

new suggestion

[hardy dock]

Ultra Liquidator is actually pretty small

[eternal escarp]

tru

[cobalt pewter]

True melee is definitely not neglected in cal, in fact Fab is actively trying to make it better, at least from the convo we had a while back

[eternal escarp]

it feels like it

[half kayak]

changed

[civic notch]

Ok but this is a step backward

By making this a hybrid we are giving an even smaller incentive to use true melee

As now every melee can use this really cool sword

So true melee players get less

[sharp prism]

why do i agree with this and disagree at the same time

[hardy dock]

yeah i dont think murasama really needs this

[half kayak]

i changed my suggestion, any feedback

[hardy dock]

ehhh

[civic notch]

If you make your build around bows, you shouldn’t complain when endgame guns aren’t viable

[eternal escarp]

^

i do agree on this

[half kayak]

i suggested an astral bar upgrade instead of a terra/elemental upgrade

[civic notch]

I think the same should be true about endgame true melee

[hardy dock]

^

[eternal escarp]

it happens way too often

people play subclasses, but then say how the subclass sucks
your not supposed to play subclasses

[half kayak]

since rainbow rod looks like it could be a space weapon

cuz 1.4 rainbow rod looks like a star/comet

[hardy dock]

the problem was never where in progression

[eternal escarp]

i like the idea of true melee actually standing out, since atm its mostly a (while great idea and pretty good functioning) glorified subclass

[zenith hazel]

rainbows are not from space

[half kayak]

the projectile looks like it could be a comet

[eternal escarp]

well, the light from the sun that makes the rainbow's illusion is

[cobalt pewter]

Ehhh, I do think that this is more of flavor that can definitely work, but definitely won't overshadow the actual weapon itself. And wouldn't it be better to weaken projectiles from weapons and make their true melee hits better if you want to give an incentive to true melee? I do get that this sugg isn't truly important, but I don't think relying on a single weapon to define a subclass is really the best option

[eternal escarp]

true melee works good as a subclass, but it shouldnt be one imo, it should be a bigger thing

[hardy dock]

murasama is balanced around being close ranged

and is iconic for it

[half kayak]

guess no feedback, aka i posted a good suggestion

[pine star]

Maybe shooting the weapon does like 100 damage?

[crude geode]

Rainbow Rod, Magic Missile, and Flamelash were so meh that they needed a hell of a glow up to be worthwhile @half kayak

[hardy dock]

bruh

[crude geode]

Also future content sugg is a nono

[pine star]

that's very small compared to the murasama slashes

[half kayak]

they did in 1.4

[crude geode]

Future content is a don’t.

[hardy dock]

and theyre still bad

[half kayak]

it doesnt matter if they're bad

[sharp prism]

theyre better but still bad

[eternal escarp]

we havnt really said this yet lmao, we were focused on smthn else

[half kayak]

the wand of sparking is an auric tesla material

[eternal escarp]

future content is indeed a nono

[cobalt pewter]

That would never happen with the way Terraria (and to the extent, Cal) is designed

[eternal escarp]

sadly yeah

[half kayak]

well then what do i suggest

[hardy dock]

murasama is actually pretty great on scal

[eternal escarp]

i guess nothing

[half kayak]

yes with luxor's gift

[eternal escarp]

wait for 1.4 to come

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not saying on Murasama by itself

[eternal escarp]

and you can suggest it then

[crude geode]

You shouldn’t have been. It’s down to arguin about true melee, which has been done to death. Leave it to fabsol, since nothing is going to realistically come out of this

[half kayak]

bruh im not saying add it once 1.4 comes to calamity

[crude geode]

and discuss the current suggestion

[half kayak]

im saying they could add the 1.4 mechanic before they reach tmod 1.4

[eternal escarp]

the convo stirred from his sugg to true melee, i meant when the discussion was still related to the suggestion

[hardy dock]

there isnt much to discuss about the currwnt sugg

[crude geode]

...no

[hardy dock]

thatd be a pain

[crude geode]

Backporting shit is just not a good idea in general

[eternal escarp]

thats like saying "add pylons before 1.4 i want them now"

[half kayak]

ugh fine

deleting suggestion because i get criticized for all of them

[hardy dock]

bruh

[eternal escarp]

thats

the point of this channel

[crude geode]

pity party moment
It’s called feedback.

[hardy dock]

if your suggestions break the rules

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair Dom managed to replicate some drawcode in 1.4 into modded

[hardy dock]

you're told

[zenith hazel]

keep this in mind

[sharp prism]

you sugg gets criticized because you dont follow the rules of the donts doc

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[hardy dock]

^

[crude geode]

What brav said

[eternal escarp]

^

[crude geode]

@half kayak

[pine star]

to be fair, Dom is Dom

[sharp prism]

Dom is scary tbh

[crude geode]

A lot of the devs are crazy talented a lot of what Iban does/makes is insane to me

Byeah

[sharp prism]

no i dont mean in coding

[half kayak]

would just rainbow rod upgrades be an ok suggestion

not even suggesting the mechanics or type (not suggesting things like an astral upgrade, auric tesla, etc

[zenith hazel]

yea sure why not

[crude geode]

You wouldn’t be able to suggest mechanics or type because that would also go against the specificity don’t. Make sure to read said don’ts document.

[hardy dock]

the funny thing is

theres already a plantera tier rainbow rod upgrade

[crude geode]

Rainbow Gun*

[pine star]

what is it

[crude geode]

Not rainbow Rod

[sharp prism]

no

[hardy dock]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Shifting_Sands

[sharp prism]

shifting sands

[crude geode]

Oh shit yeah that thing, I completely forgot, my b

[hardy dock]

its bad tho

[crude geode]

all of them are bad because if you so much as graze a single tile it dies instantly

[hardy dock]

yeah

[crude geode]

I find them better (at least for underground areas) in 1.4 since as long as you hold the attack down they don’t die instantly

Plus they look cooler

[hardy dock]

yeah but they are kinda tedious to use tbh

[crude geode]

That’s a valid opinion to have. I do not share it, but that’s fine.

Byeah uhhhhh

Hey @heady storm can you check the viability of shifting sands when possible? Please and thank you.

[hardy dock]

i actually know this

it's about as bad as you expect

[crude geode]

I prefer a tester tbfh Byeah it’s what I expect the results to be
Considering there’s already an upgrade, that’s about half the mod where controllable rods are a thing

[hardy dock]

true

[crude geode]

The reasoning is...iffy and kinda non-existent for this one, but I don’t see anything really wrong with it.

[civic notch]

Yeah I don’t see any problems

I don’t see any solutions either though

[hardy dock]

dont see anything worth further criticism anyway

[civic notch]

If you get what I mean

[crude geode]

@half kayak you could mention the fact that it would add more variety to mage, which is what it’s strong suit is meant to be

oh I remembered the actual point I wanted to bring up

That bringing up that controllable wands for around half the game in vanilla and are fairly iconic, while they are barely that in calamity. So supporting them would make sense, in a similar vein to sentries.
Also I would adjust one of the sentences to “the only magic missile upgrade currently is Shifting Sands”

[half kayak]

can i make it "the only controllable wand upgrade is shifting sands"

[crude geode]

Yeah

[half kayak]

also off topic but wouldnt it be cool if there was a controllable wand in pre-boss vanilla

[crude geode]

I just wanted it away from what it originally was, as it was kinda casual and not very confident

Indeed

[half kayak]

since 2 post-skeletron control wands kinda dumb ngl

[crude geode]

Eh that’s just dungeon in general

#suggestions-discussion message

[hardy dock]

lmao

also blue moon and sunfury

oh nvmd i didnt see it

[pine star]

Stormtrooper debuff

[cobalt pewter]

Crit chance turns into miss chance

[crude geode]

I wonder if it’s possibly to straight up remove an item spawning from a chest

[cobalt pewter]

Vanilla items might require some fucky wucky black magic

[pine star]

Black magic?

[hardy dock]

it's vanilla my guy

eternal suffering

[pine star]

I know vanilla's code gives people cancer

[crude geode]

The code was quite possibly cursed on a full moon

[hardy dock]

^

the game was made by an amateur in like a few months

[crude geode]

Cuz I was considering moving handgun from post skeletron golden chest to like gun dealer post evil boss, and replacing it with like anything useful

[hardy dock]

actually how long was terraria in development?

[half kayak]

before mc was released

therefore minecraft is just 3d terraria

[hardy dock]

i cant find any sources that say how long red was working on it

before it went public

[fossil finch]

Controllable wands but they get piercing

[hardy dock]

[pine star]

:fear:

[dapper violet]

yoyos are just boneless controllable wands

[fossil finch]

YES

[hardy dock]

no

[pine star]

Boneless?

[cobalt pewter]

This is just

[hardy dock]

[cobalt pewter]

Shitting Sans

[pine star]

Isn't the string a bone?

[cobalt pewter]

And Flamelash and Rainbow Rod in 1.4

[half kayak]

[half kayak]

[sturdy geyser]

poopshitter

[cobalt pewter]

[sharp prism]

LOL

[half kayak]

[civic notch]

I like the lower tiers

It’s like creating a D&D character

Sometimes you get low rolls

[cobalt pewter]

iirc cal balances stuff around the highest tier of acc modifiers

[civic notch]

If you wanna minmax you gotta get the gold to minmax

[half kayak]

😐

vibe check

you passed

[crude geode]

@radiant meadow Quick question, is it possible to change vanilla item recipes? For example, changing Night's Edge to require Blighted Gel?

[pine star]

Blighted Gel?

You mean Purified Gel?

[crude geode]

sorry I think I got em confused yeah

[radiant meadow]

See Terra Blade and Fire Gauntlet

[crude geode]

cool and pog, thank you

[cobalt pewter]

It's possible

[pine star]

[crude geode]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LF_gn0lAnlXpkKFaFh_Pn4EsPmnP650rcqFDewrGu78/edit?usp=sharing
sharing this for thoughts before I inevitably post a sugg regarding it. Sugg won't cover everything I mention in the document, just why dungeon weapons should change.

[half kayak]

oh wait]

i think every dungeon weapon has an underworld counterpart

[pine star]

night's edge

[half kayak]

and dark lance

[ancient crow]

i mean, muramasa has firey greatsword

[half kayak]

handgun, phoenix blaster
muramasa, fire greatsword
magic missile, flamelash
blue moon, sunfury
valor, cascade
cobalt shield, obsidian shield
dark lance, aqua scepter, fire flower dont have any relations

[crude geode]

Muramasa is less explicit about it Byeah

[zealous ridge]

aqua scepter vs flower or fire is iffy, though, as is valor because it was added later and it’s alternative if it can be called that doesn’t spawn in chests

[half kayak]

aqua scepter and flower of fire are different

cascade and valor are a pair

[crude geode]

Aqua Scepter and Flower of Fire are functionally different weapons, with different firing methods.

[pine star]

I agree with Sample Pop on this

[zealous ridge]

I also find it difficult to argue obsidian shield is an underworld item to juxtapose cobalt

But it’s an accessory

[half kayak]

ye

[pine star]

That said, it still falls under the same issue

[zealous ridge]

So I guess you didn’t cover that

[pine star]

That it gets INSTANTLY upgraded

[crude geode]

I don't really care about accessories in this, specifically because that's a whole other can of worms.

[half kayak]

co🅱️alt shield o🅱️sidian shield

[crude geode]

I'm considering adding water bolt to the list, bc calamity adds flare bolt which is like...just as good if not better most of the time.

[pine star]

Should we still consider that Water Bolt can be pre boss?

[zealous ridge]

no, that’s changing soon

[pine star]

ok

[crude geode]

is it?

[zealous ridge]

flare bolt and frost bolt have no reason to really exist

Water bolt can’t spawn above underground in 1.4

[crude geode]

Changing Soon™️

[zealous ridge]

sure it’s far off but I don’t feel it should be ignored

[pine star]

Personally, Frost Bolt has a reason to exist
Because it's a very early pre boss weapon

Flare Bolt can be yeeted though

[zealous ridge]

I really think it doesn’t

[crude geode]

Flare Bolt only exists to mirror it.

[zealous ridge]

Frost bolt is early but like

[crude geode]

realistically I believe it's so mage can actually make something out of hellstone

[zealous ridge]

But

we have flarewing

Or what it’s called

Hellwing? The wand

that will work just fine

we do not need a book for this

[pine star]

Hellwing Staff

[crude geode]

yeah flare bolt only really exists to create the frigidflash bolt thing which is cool but like also just use water bolt

[zealous ridge]

Nor do I think we need frost bolt as it’s use is so inherently limited and it’s theme so similar to water bolt is dumb

it doesn’t need either of them

why not make it a spell book weapon?

spell book, essences, maybe bars I don’t know

Would also kind of want to see frigidflash feel more like a prerequisite to tears of heaven

Give it distinction from water bolt

[crude geode]

I like frost bolt bc like it gives mage an actual pre-boss book, which is incredibly rare unless you happen to get water bolt randomly. Otherwise it's just staves staves and more staves.

[zealous ridge]

well, technically coral spout

bit of a stretch

[crude geode]

technically, if you like farming cnidrions for an eternity.

[zealous ridge]

I don’t want frost bolt to be almost exactly the same as water bolt

it should be distinct if the book thing is gonna stay around

Imo

[crude geode]

make it a snowball that rolls along the ground before going poof bunch of snow

[zealous ridge]

Maybe...?

[half kayak]

kill 2*

[zealous ridge]

idk, it needs something

True

Cnidrons are not a long grind

[half kayak]

also #calamity-mod-talk

[crude geode]

still takes an eternity
this is still related to possibly suggestions.

[zealous ridge]

well, I’m thinking about making this a suggestion now, honestly

idk what to focus on specifically

[crude geode]

I think the snowball idea works. It fits really well tbfh.

[half kayak]

wat snowball idea

[crude geode]

Especially with how it's just kinda a ball currently.

[zealous ridge]

I’ll probably set my sights on making frigidflash a different weapon

[crude geode]

That's fair enough.

[crude geode]

scroll up

[half kayak]

o ye

but then frost bolt wouldnt fit

[zealous ridge]

Wdym

[half kayak]

it'd have to be renamed "Snowball"

[zealous ridge]

oh

Well yeah that’s hardly an issue imo

[half kayak]

not a "bolt" anymore

[crude geode]

Just name it Snow Ball then.

[half kayak]

isnt that a specific item suggestion

[crude geode]

prolly

[half kayak]

cuz a "buff the reaper" suggestion got a ❗

also flare bolt would have to become something like flower of fire

so i think frost bolt should stay

[crude geode]

Flare Bolt doesn't need to exist. Overshadows Waterbolt, the one dungeon weapon that didn't get outclassed by some hell thing, and was memorable on it's own.

[zealous ridge]

flare bolt does not need to exist yes

Frost bolt doesn’t either, but if people want it to stick around I guess this is the second best thing

[half kayak]

removing a weapon suggestion is an easy ❗

[crude geode]

not really?

removing weapons isn't a don't.

[half kayak]

so the suggestion would be like this

frost bolt would become snow ball

flare bolt gets removed

thus removing frigidflash, and tears of heaven

[zealous ridge]

well mine wouldn’t really focus on that really

it wouldn’t

[sleek turret]

why removing flare bolt

[zealous ridge]

frigid flash hardly has to rely on the existence on these two weapons

[crude geode]

Unneccessary, hellwing staff exists and it just is water bolt but cooler™️

[zealous ridge]

I argue that frigidflash is annoyingly similar to waterbolt as well

[pine star]

no

I replied to the wrong message accidentally

[half kayak]

what would frigidflash be made of then

[crude geode]

would you argue tears of heaven is as well?

[zealous ridge]

No

[half kayak]

definitely not

[zealous ridge]

it has several differences

[half kayak]

you fire tons they're homing and phase through walls

[crude geode]

I didn't ask you popcat

[zealous ridge]

Including no interaction with walls, homing, and inaccurate projectiles

[half kayak]

instead of piercing bolts that bounce

[zealous ridge]

frigidflash is water bolt but hardmode and that annoys me because it’s basically akin to a scaling weapon

It literally isn’t, but functionally it works almost in that way

[half kayak]

alright the full draft suggestion

[crude geode]

don't popcat
You could suggest firigidflash be changed to more mimic tears of heaven

instead of copying waterbolt so much.

[zealous ridge]

yeah, let me refocus here

To reiterate, what I’m thinking of suggesting won’t cover all these issues, but I plan to address one of them

[half kayak]

wait no

Snow Ball is just flower of frost

[zealous ridge]

Frigidflash should be changed to be different from waterbolt

[crude geode]

My concept for Snow Ball would be different but hush

indeed

[zealous ridge]

I’ll draft for this in a little bit but give me a lil while

[sleek turret]

wtf is snowball?

[crude geode]

the concept I had for a Frost Bolt rework that popcat got attached to

[sleek turret]

ah

[zealous ridge]

An idea from cursed

[crude geode]

Basically, you summon a ball of snow that continuously grows before dissipating into a cloud of snow

ye

[sleek turret]

yeah understood.

[fossil finch]

Prepare to really good wording cuz people don't usually like a lot of changes to weps they use a ton
i honestly don't use water bolt or flare bolt anyways they just feel outclassed by the time i get them

[crude geode]

I'd prolly never suggest it, bc mah specificity clause byeah

insert Subsuming Vortex rage here

[zealous ridge]

Frigidflash is used a ton?

[fossil finch]

I use it a lot fuck
Takes no time to make and it's good

[zealous ridge]

that’s kind of the issue, is it not? It’s used so much because it’s a better water bolt

[crude geode]

and frog leg is used so much bc it's pog leg

[zealous ridge]

it requires distinction

[crude geode]

doesn't mean a suggestion about nerfing something good in the eyes of the people is gonna fly

I'd still try it tho

[fossil finch]

I mean water bolt is not heaven neither
And even then, would distinction made it useless then
Like, being a better water bolt has nothing to do with how much the wep is used
It's just good

[zealous ridge]

Okay, so changing it wouldn’t be an issue if it stays meta?

[crude geode]

according to this person's theory ye

[zealous ridge]

what I was about to say was

[crude geode]

Just suggest the change

[zealous ridge]

It can stay useful or similar enough in function to current but I don’t like it being better waterbolt

[fossil finch]

If you make your sugg wording look like you are buffing the wep stars are gonna rain
Like, my theory is that, if people think you want a nerf, it will hardly pass, sadly

[zealous ridge]

ah

Well to clarify

I don’t want to buff or nerf it

It’s balanced right now honestly

A good push into hardmode

mainly I just want different or new function

[fossil finch]

As long as that gets across the sugg should be fine

[zealous ridge]

yeah, I wouldn’t worry about it

I’ll run it by you guys before it gets ready to be judged

[crude geode]

Subsuming Vortex is still just as good as it was before tbfh. People are just gonna complain no matter what about change.

[zealous ridge]

that’s also true

muh reskinned vanilla weapon

[fossil finch]

SSV now is poggers

[crude geode]

even tho this is a constantly evolving mod, but the people in this community are also very emotional a lot of the time

[fossil finch]

astrageldon and bumble

[zealous ridge]

people Hated subsuming rework

when it was revealed

people are still complaining about summoner changes

[pine star]

People also hated Fearmonger nerf

Even though it was necessary

[zealous ridge]

It’s arguably gonna help the class but anything that seems like a nerf will be met with a sort of outrage

not like serious outrage, more just complaining

[eternal escarp]

wait, isnt that already going to happen feedzuh?

[crude geode]

I find the summoner change complaining to be more...expectable, since that's the basis of an entire class being reworked, and the whole point of summoner is summoning an army. Taking away that kinda defeats the purpose of it and just ties it even more into mage with longer lasting projectiles.

[zealous ridge]

The issue is that we’ve yet to see the rest of the changes

we have to wait to see what will exactly be different about the new summoner

[crude geode]

This is true.

If it's just damage up, numbers down, I'd say the complaining was partially justified. Since they took away summoner's army gimmick to make it easier to balance, while just increasing damage.

[fossil finch]

there's no summoner changes outside the slot things and fearmonger in changelogs for now wdym

[crude geode]

but we will have to see

We don't know what exactly is planned for summoner next update, so we have to just be patient and wait for the update to drop to see ourselves.

[crude geode]

you might be thinking of this suggestion he made, but as far as I know no #suggestions-voting message

[eternal escarp]

huh

i coulda sworn i saw something like this in changelogs

maybe i just imagined then

[crude geode]

#changelogs message
this change doesn't affect accessories

[cobalt pewter]

Not for accs

[crude geode]

which is what you might be thinking of

[cobalt pewter]

The reforging rework is only for weapons atm

[eternal escarp]

maybe, yeah

ohhh

yeah i see now

[crude geode]

ye

with the fact that both the mgrr emote suggs haven't gotten very far, pretty sure mgrr isn't as linked to the Calamity community as a whole as some people think they are

[dapper coral]

any reforge rework for accessories will be more difficult because there are multiple best prefixes

so it may come this update, it may not

i don't remember tbh

[crude geode]

yeah it's much harder

however, what feedzuh is suggesting is not

[dapper coral]

correct

[crude geode]

I do think that we prolly need to lower the star requirement down

so many suggs have died in 160-180

[cobalt pewter]

Actually yeah, holidays have kinda passed

@hollow shell what's the timeline for a post-holidays star review?

[crude geode]

haven't seen any uptick, if at all

[dapper coral]

we just did one like three weeks ago innit

[crude geode]

yes, and the conclusion was wait until holidays have passed and if no uptick, lower, bc so many suggs have died in 160-180

[cobalt pewter]

Rover decided to hold off on changing star req because of upcoming holidays

[crude geode]

mhm

[dapper coral]

ah

[crude geode]

rover's analysis said that like 15% of suggestions were getting through, instead of the 25% we want

[tawny garden]

I might export some stats when I get home

And we want 20% iirc

[crude geode]

#suggestions-discussion message

20-25%

[eternal escarp]

well, it depends on the suggestions quite alot.
per say emote suggestions almost always pass without any remorse (save for the last 2)
while suggestions like:
Buff blah
or Make blah great agian get more stars
(examples sre a bit diffrent, but the point is its subjective mostly)

[crude geode]

15.3% were getting through last time we checked

[eternal escarp]

oh god text wall

woops

[cobalt pewter]

Yesh 15.3%

Which is a tad low

But the review happened shortly before holidays

[crude geode]

feels lower for frequent suggestors, rip thomas

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[pine star]

omega lul

[tawny garden]

There is a reason why it's lower for frequent suggestors

If you suggest rarely, you usually suggest your best ideas

These get more votes

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[tawny garden]

And if you suggest a lot, your suggs get worse overtime

[civic notch]

^

[tawny garden]

Cause you already suggested all of your good stuff

[civic notch]

There are so many really weird suggestions from you active people nowadays

[pine star]

like what?

[eternal escarp]

i mean, i guess you can see the fact my first suggestion almost passed, while per say a suggestion by feedz sometimes doesnt pass the 100

[civic notch]

Well the MGR Murasama one was a great example

[eternal escarp]

so philo does have a point

[crude geode]

Thomas breaks this by suggesting fairly rarely but getting like no stars

[pine star]

oh

Thomas is cursed by a god

[eternal escarp]

thomas is

an enigma

[tawny garden]

Thing is, all of his suggs are good

[eternal escarp]

fully cursed by the suggestions GOD

[pine star]

[eternal escarp]

true yeah

thomas has great suggestions lol

[crude geode]

kinda breaks your theory.

[eternal escarp]

fair point

[tawny garden]

mhm

[eternal escarp]

although their recent suggestion did get almost 180 last time ive checked

[crude geode]

I think there is a logic behind it, but also. Suggestions are complex as fuck bc it's dealing with humans

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah

they aren't bots right

[tawny garden]

Suggs that fix OCD get the most votes btw

[eternal escarp]

yeah true

[crude geode]

No, a single sugg about rage gets the most votes

[fossil finch]

I think people just fear thomas suggs ever reaching dev

[eternal escarp]

lmaoo

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

This is objective

Just look at 2 examples

Demik's Icicle Arrow sugg

And Ian's Shrine sugg

[tawny garden]

Demik's and Ian's suggs

Ye

[pine star]

Ye

[cobalt pewter]

These two probably have the most votes in the entirety of the suggbot times

[tawny garden]

Demik's has the most votes ever tbh

[dapper coral]

and i am very proud of it

[tawny garden]

I bet you are

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[crude geode]

Actually I just realized.

Ian has a higher suggestion success rate than what rover wants.

His are 29%

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

damn

[cobalt pewter]

Ian plays around the algorithm

[eternal escarp]

ian is popping off

[crude geode]

post rework to suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

He would do well as a YouTuber

[crude geode]

sorry, did I say Ian?

[tawny garden]

He suggs good stuff

[crude geode]

I meant Thomas

[tawny garden]

Ah lol

[eternal escarp]

oj

[tawny garden]

Hm

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

thomas is popping off

[tawny garden]

I think my last 5 suggs have all passed

I have a success rate of 50%

[pine star]

Did you actually mean Thomas?

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

Granted, it flipped from his 70% success rate

byech

#suggestions-discussion message

my analysis

[cobalt pewter]

I can't bother checking mine

[crude geode]

Checking Thomas' was a pain

[eternal escarp]

make suggestions democratic, and people vote for people to vote for them

oh wait

thats the devs

[pine star]

DOUBLE DEMOCRACY

[tawny garden]

LOL

[pine star]

[eternal escarp]

make it double

[tawny garden]

Fucking Electoral College

[eternal escarp]

lets do it twice

here and for the devs

[cobalt pewter]

Huh tom's Aerialite sugg is going somewhere

172 stars atm

[dapper coral]

uh

[cobalt pewter]

BOSS CONTEST

[dapper coral]

mmmyeah no

[pine star]

[dapper coral]

@umbral sonnet adding bosses in any form is a don't

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[tawny garden]

Lol

[umbral sonnet]

why not

[crude geode]

it

[tawny garden]

Because no

[dapper coral]

because it's an assload of work

[eternal escarp]

read the docs

[crude geode]

^

[dapper coral]

read the doc in the pins

[cobalt pewter]

Not only that, the general cal player can't be trusted with smth big as bosses

[dapper coral]

^

big ass game changes should mostly be left to devs

[crude geode]

the general cal player can't be trusted with testing a single weapon.

[dapper coral]

which, among other things, includes bosses

[tawny garden]

cool™️ bosses

[umbral sonnet]

well tbh it would be cool

you cant deny that

[eternal escarp]

eh

[crude geode]

cool is not a good reason

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

No, it won't be

[eternal escarp]

i didnt even see your idea

[tawny garden]

It will be

Shit

Utter shit

[umbral sonnet]

ik it wont happen

[eternal escarp]

what was the suggestion?

[umbral sonnet]

but if it could

that would be cool

[crude geode]

boss contest

[umbral sonnet]

boss design contest

[eternal escarp]

oh

[tawny garden]

I already said that it won't be cool

[eternal escarp]

oh no

that would just

[tawny garden]

Just face it

[eternal escarp]

invoke horniness even more

[sleek turret]

yep

[umbral sonnet]

hol' up

[eternal escarp]

yeah no sorry thats a shit idea

no offense but like

[umbral sonnet]

why would you feel that way towards a boss

[eternal escarp]

the idea is very not smart

[dapper coral]

anyway

[crude geode]

^^^^

[umbral sonnet]

i don care what you say

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah

[dapper coral]

move on

[umbral sonnet]

because my self esteem was already 0

[dapper coral]

suggs gone, get back on track

[eternal escarp]

back to the discussion from before

yeah

[tawny garden]

Oh fuck
brb suggesting a big boobed boss to cataclysm

[sleek turret]

what was the discussion from before?

[tawny garden]

Suggs

[eternal escarp]

suggestion meta

[crude geode]

suggestions as a whole, which is fine

[sleek turret]

ah.

[eternal escarp]

suggestions meta discussion

[crude geode]

suggestion meta has been okay-ed as a subject, surprisingly.

prolly for when nobody has suggested anything decisive.

[pine star]

haha

[crude geode]

brb gonna go make the AotC removal sugg

[sleek turret]

my suggestions either are things that dev forgot about, like torrential tear not droping from abyssal crates.

[tawny garden]

No

Not another AotC discussion

[cobalt pewter]

Oh hey this was approved

[crude geode]

byeah uh frankly I have no clue what feedzuh's success rate is like

[tawny garden]

I could see

[sleek turret]

did rage rework by philo get approved?

[tawny garden]

Ye

[eternal escarp]

yea

[tawny garden]

It got 280 stars

[cobalt pewter]

suck on that iban, have fun redoing supernova for the increased radius ey nice, Finally something to buff this damned weapon

[eternal escarp]

[crude geode]

I can't believe feedzuh has only been here for five months

[eternal escarp]

wait what

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[eternal escarp]

when i joined i thought he was here for years lmao

[sleek turret]

nice

[crude geode]

every month is a year for suggestions

[tawny garden]

I've been here for a year and a half 👀

Thomas and Rover are like 3 years iirc

[eternal escarp]

ive been here for about 2 or less

[sturdy geyser]

ive been here for 73 years

[eternal escarp]

2 months

[tawny garden]

No

[eternal escarp]

that is

[sleek turret]

I have been here for 1 year.

[crude geode]

Thomas has been here basically since suggs was like a thing

[pine star]

oh

[eternal escarp]

oldie thats cool

[cobalt pewter]

I missed out on SIS chaos, but oh well

[pine star]

I've been here for like 3 months

[dapper coral]

feedzuh is yong

[crude geode]

one of thomas sis made it in, spark spreader or whatever. the early pre-hm flamethrower

I've been here for 8 months, if we're being serious. Lurked for a while before that though

[eternal escarp]

if this was a youngest contest, then i would have won prolly

[sleek turret]

quite been here since late 2019, but actually by that time I never used Discord, so uhh, dissapear.

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah Spark Spreader

[crude geode]

I was here before a decent amount of the mods were mods, such as Chetto

[pine star]

oh

[tawny garden]

I haven't seen SIS firsthand

[pine star]

what was life like back then

[sleek turret]

since August 2020 ive been here at all.

[tawny garden]

I missed SISs by 2 days

[eternal escarp]

i feel like ive missed so much huh

[cobalt pewter]

I was around when Lauren was like started trial-ing

[pine star]

oh

[crude geode]

non-mods were more active, but then they became mods

[radiant meadow]

Let me just give you guys a friendly nudge to talk about suggestions rather than what happened a year ago.

[tawny garden]

SIS were banned 2 days before I joined

[pine star]

[eternal escarp]

oh woops

[crude geode]

ty ben
byeah

[cobalt pewter]

True

[eternal escarp]

i forgot the subject tbh

suggestion meta discuss?

[crude geode]

Feedzuh has more suggestions than me despite me having like a 3 month head start

[eternal escarp]

damn

thats kinda funny

[crude geode]

oh yeah he has like 4 times the amount

roughly ofc

[tawny garden]

he has a habit

[crude geode]

had*

No chance in hell am I going through Feedzuh's suggestions, he's almost getting up to twice thomas' amount

[pine star]

oh god

[sleek turret]

suggestion statistics.

[crude geode]

he's got like 60 more suggestions to go or in other words, a month

[hot zephyr]

[tawny garden]

I can go through them

[crude geode]

on average, he has made almost a sugg every single day since his first one of 7/14/2020

[tawny garden]

I have a way to automate this shit

[crude geode]

nice

[tawny garden]

That's how I counted this: #suggestions-discussion message

[unique kite]

better controllable wands are just yoyos

[tawny garden]

[umbral sonnet]

Sharanga

[dapper coral]

i

no, you can't suggest that

[pine star]

@umbral sonnet That's not allowed
and read the suggestion don'ts document

[umbral sonnet]

i did

[dapper coral]

that would be adding removed items, even if the removed items were by relogic

also there's no reason

it's just

no

also kind of SIS because the devs would maybe possibly have to code it in by scratch because sharanga wasn't on pc

so it is gone now

[umbral sonnet]

sigh

i guess my dreams will never be realized

[tawny garden]

can't you get these items with Consolaria?

[dapper coral]

it would appear so

i didn't even know that kind of thing was legal tbh

[tawny garden]

it is

it's only disallowed to implement items that were completely removed from the desktop version

e.g. [[tgc:Soul Scythe]]

[red storm]

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Soul_Scythe

[dapper coral]

interesting

@umbral sonnet there appears to be a solution after all

[umbral sonnet]

what

ooh

thanks

[tawny garden]

https://terrariamods.gamepedia.com/Consolaria

there should really be a dark mode for the mods wiki

[whole sedge]

just use dark reader smh~

[tawny garden]

no

[hollow shell]

Yeah suggs can't be edited after approval

[zenith hazel]

bot's down

notified amber

[hollow shell]

(you can repost it after a week if you're concerned about it and the sugg doesn't hit req)

Ah, dang

[umbral sonnet]

I finally think i have a good suggestion

[sleek girder]

doesnt autotrash exist

simple fix

[umbral sonnet]

umm

wait thats a thing?

[mighty knot]

yes

[sleek girder]

yes

[umbral sonnet]

crap

[mighty knot]

you shouldn't be looking for suggestions, the point is not to rack up as many suggestions as possible
you should just give a suggestion if you feel like something you experienced in the mod wasn't as it should or could have been

[tawny garden]

if you want something, try to search for a mod that already does the thing you want

[umbral sonnet]

thats what i did

[hollow shell]

Indeed, Autotrash mod

[crude geode]

Try to bring up ideas for suggestions here first.

and look around to see if there’s already a mod that exists

[real steppe]

Im surprised people run out of gel

Probably because I never used a flamethrower anyway

[craggy stratus]

you can manually blacklist by placing 1 item for each slot to completely fill it

[crude geode]

that’s just blacklisting everything

[heady storm]

It’ll be a while; I’m focusing on personal affairs for most of the day.

[crude geode]

Understandable

[heady storm]

Meant to say earlier byeah.

[cobalt pewter]

Auto trash mod exists.

[ashen warren]

ah. touhou splitting lasers for Brimmy?

[crystal iron]

Ye, I think it fits

I hope you know which one I'm talking about

I forgot what the level is called in touhou but it's smth like ____city

[ashen warren]

There are many cities and they all suck, though the attack could be interesting

though I do somewhat feel like its necessary though

*unnecessary