suggestions-discussion

[velvet locust]

k

[craggy stratus]

movement speed boost

interesting

[cobalt pewter]

The first 2 sentences should be relatively irrelevant with 1.5 changes iirc

[zenith hazel]

but like

stealth is already getting reworked

[velvet locust]

?

[cobalt pewter]

Ozz did mention about considering making stealth based off velocity instead of standing still for its bonus

[zenith hazel]

#changelogs message

[cobalt pewter]

But that was ages ago iirc

Also each stealth point already gives miniscule movespeed and might be removed with the new movespeed changes

[craggy stratus]

for using yharon as an example, isnt flight time and movement more important than
movement speed?

[half kayak]

@velvet locust or you do stealth strikes for that amount of time (very strong stealth strikes would be nerfed) like how the crit meter works in overhaul

[cobalt pewter]

God no

Fuck overhaul's """crit""" system

It's probably the weirdest resource based mechanic I've ever seen

[half kayak]

if u think about it it's just slightly stronger rage with any weapon not just true melee

[velvet locust]

what im saying is that buff stealth so that it is more useful for run and gun bosses

[cobalt pewter]

Also stealth is balanced around only not attacking, not standing still

[sharp prism]

^

[cobalt pewter]

Standing still regen is intended as a bonus if you managed to take advantage of the situation

So to summarize

• The part about Mycoroot should be fixed with change 256 for 1.5
• Stealth is balanced around not attacking while moving around
• Stealth already gives movement speed bonus, per stealth point

[crude geode]

@velvet locust

[cobalt pewter]

holy shit I sound like a major nerd

Byeah

[velvet locust]

yes?

[crude geode]

See three points made above the ping

The*

[velvet locust]

yes

well

i wish i researched' more before making that sugg

[crude geode]

Always bring up the idea of a sugg here first

[cobalt pewter]

That's a good idea if you don't know what you're doing yes

[crude geode]

plus deleting it is always an option

[cobalt pewter]

The only time, as of late, that I tried pitching a sugg here first is with giving true melee NPC contact dmg reduction means

[pine star]

you are a major nerd

[craggy stratus]

i pitch a sugg here when i feel insecure

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

Though

As I said earlier

Ozz had the consideration of reworking standing still regen boost a while back

Not sure how that idea goes now

#suggestions-discussion message

If you want an entire thread talking about that, here

Quite an interesting topic, and I wonder if I can pitch it onto sugma now

[craggy stratus]

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Dude if the uh

Dashes from plagued fuel pack and blunder booster

Can be tweaked to do that

That's be a massive hilarity

[sharp prism]

[cobalt pewter]

Ah damn ozz isn't online

[crude geode]

feedzuh making heavy use of nitro as always

[frozen storm]

[craggy stratus]

atleast feedzuh isnt using animated weeb pfp

[ashen warren]

not yet at least

[craggy stratus]

[cobalt pewter]

No, I probably will get something decent for animated stuff

But until then, it'll be my cats

[craggy stratus]

unfortunately, those animations are harder to find than blindly search for all biome shrines in a large world

[cobalt pewter]

rip

[craggy stratus]

who started the offtopic

[crude geode]

~~you, I just made a single off hand comment ~~

[craggy stratus]

[frozen storm]

you cant make this to emote

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

@velvet locust you should prolly remove your sugg considering change 256 is a thing

[cobalt pewter]

I already mentioned things wrong with the sugg iirc

• The part about Mycoroot should be fixed with change 256 for 1.5
• Stealth is balanced around not attacking while moving around
• Stealth already gives movement speed bonus, per stealth point

[tawny garden]

No suggs about stealth should stay

I'll tell you that much

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

Until 1.5 comes out

The changes to it are too major

[sharp prism]

youre hurting feedza

[cobalt pewter]

1.5 is too major

[eternal escarp]

feedzuh's suggestion is bad?

how

[tawny garden]

This includes both wurm's sugg and Feedza's sugg

[cobalt pewter]

@zenith hazel what do you think about what Philo said? I can easily draft my sugg for post 1.5 at least

if I can remember

[eternal escarp]

!remindme moment

[tawny garden]

(Ye, Brav is obv more experienced than I am )

[zealous ridge]

I don’t feel like this should be a no no topic just because stealth is being reworked to scale better

[cobalt pewter]

too bad we have no set date

[zealous ridge]

I’m trying to come up with a better response here but I might need a sec

[cobalt pewter]

Hence why I'm asking Brav yes

[craggy stratus]

the more stealth suggestion there is, the more delayed the stealth update will be

[cobalt pewter]

He knows dev environment better than any of us

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

the more times feedzuh talks about stealth, we stray further from the update

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[crude geode]

Letting it stay up is like asking for potion durations to be extended when it’s already in the changelogs.

It’s unnecessary

[ashen warren]

[zealous ridge]

that’s not a fair comparison I feel

[eternal escarp]

its not, but we get the point

[crude geode]

It’s called exaggeration. Gets the point across

[ashen warren]

[zealous ridge]

the exaggeration makes it inaccurate

Thus why I’m arguing on those terms

Tell me what your general point is

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Considering stealth is already having a major rework next update, why not just wait until then.

[tawny garden]

Don't steer up a fight here pls

[ashen warren]

[zealous ridge]

major rework is shown in change logs that’s for sure

[ashen warren]

[zealous ridge]

can you stop spamming emotes please

[tawny garden]

quite rich coming from me ig

[crude geode]

Can you not Deusity

[ashen warren]

yes mam

[crude geode]

byech

[zealous ridge]

I’m thinking the justification here is quite broad

mainly , I suppose

The issue is not the existence of something in changelogs but rather the fact that more is possibly planned

a lot more, even

[crude geode]

What?

[cobalt pewter]

Again, that's why I pinged Brav in the first place

[zealous ridge]

Meaning the basis of the suggestion is uncertain at best

[cobalt pewter]

To make sure that stealth topic isn't off the limits

[zealous ridge]

yeah that’s not up in the air feedz

[ashen warren]

ur a square

[zealous ridge]

I’m just discussing here what exactly might be the issue

And, I’m thinking

[crude geode]

You’re not contributing, please leave.

[ashen warren]

yes ma'm

[zealous ridge]

There could easily be a way to distill what the suggestion is asking into a broader statement that won’t be upended by uncertain mechanical changes

[craggy stratus]

now we wait for brav's response im guessing

[zealous ridge]

the main point is that saying something is off limits because somethings in changelogs is not contributing

[crude geode]

The basis of the suggestion is that “stealth is not in the best shape right now” and specifically referring to stealth being bad on higher use time weapons. A problem that 256 directly addresses

[zealous ridge]

Not really?

[cobalt pewter]

if nothing we can ping ben I spose lole

[zealous ridge]

this suggestion pertains to stealth gen

I’m assuming we’re talking about feedz

For the other, well that’s accurate I suppose

[crude geode]

...I have been talking about wurm doggo

The one I pinged to take down their sugg

[zealous ridge]

alright, my mistake then

agreeably that’s more of a no no area

partially, discussion veered towards feedz suggestion being unfit as well due to the same change listed

which is harder for me to agree with

[crude geode]

Yes it’s arguably similar, but different but le Brav has arrived

[zenith hazel]

@cobalt pewter I agree

[crude geode]

Cool

[zenith hazel]

the same goes for balancing suggs

[zealous ridge]

mmmm

alright I guess

[zenith hazel]

those are off limits for the time being because chances are we'll cover those during 1.5

[tawny garden]

cool

[zealous ridge]

the devs have spoken I guess

[cobalt pewter]

Alrighty

[zealous ridge]

my stance is unchanged

but that’s that

[zenith hazel]

@hollow shell thoughts on pinning something like "balancing suggs are discouraged until 1.5 is released"?

[crude geode]

dyou mind exclaiming wurm doggo’s sugg then brav

[zealous ridge]

general balance suggestions being no no’s is really iffy for me

[tawny garden]

Or putting that in the doc

[zealous ridge]

but I mean...

[zenith hazel]

w/e works honestly

[cobalt pewter]

Deleted my sugg then

[crude geode]

Considering how massive this update is gonna be, I think it’s reasonable

[zealous ridge]

considering how long this update will take, sounds like a long block of ideas

I would say suggestions needs another channel breakup, but that may get out of hand extremely quickly

[crude geode]

GOD NO

[zealous ridge]

Plus I don’t have access to things like tester channels or other stuff like patron channels

I’m sure they have plenty of venues to transfer info

Specially tester stuff

[tawny garden]

no

[crude geode]

~~that implies suggestors have good ideas ~~
I think it’s more important for devs to be focused on their own testing and balancing then community balancing ideas

[zealous ridge]

again I said it would likely get out of hand

moreso it’s awareness

[crude geode]

for rn

[zealous ridge]

But either way

[tawny garden]

I am against another split

[zealous ridge]

Okay

I’m not surprised

[tawny garden]

[zealous ridge]

my thought would have been that it be separated from suggestions entirely as a sort of balance discussion chat

but again

testers and patrons have this covered likely

[crude geode]

it is, it’s called pinging testers

[zealous ridge]

Although I have no direct confirmation

I mean

That’s kind of my point

Are there not tester channels/servers?

[crude geode]

P sure there are

[zealous ridge]

they can ferry their info through that if the secrecy thing is to be continued

[tawny garden]

There are in dev

[zealous ridge]

as in, secret changes that are saved for surprises in the next update

yeah, as I thought

[crude geode]

I wouldn’t mind a pin of testers to ping for balancing tests tbh (maybe? @hollow shell )

[zealous ridge]

I mean

Not horrible idea

Mainly I just want there to be less offtopic traffic

[crude geode]

good luck

[zealous ridge]

via a different channel to ask and discuss balance

part of it is that I really don’t know if a server going on 90k members can deal with this amount of channels

it’s pretty small all things considered

[crude geode]

you think it needs more?? Or less?

[zealous ridge]

more

more channels to diffuse discussion

Not like, offtopic 2 or something dumb like that

Never again

[crude geode]

~~good luck trying to get rid of off topic in #suggestions-discussion ~~

[zealous ridge]

that’s just because some of the regulars here are too good at segues

offtopic happens in here mostly because that’s just how the types of frequents here like to talk about wider reaching concepts

Sometimes it’s a big stretch and it goes off the rails

not as much a blame thing, though, moreso just the nature of how some people discuss suggestions here

[crude geode]

Indeed

So what you’re saying is we need a Thomas rant channel

[zealous ridge]

Hardly

I don’t really know is the issue

would a balance discussion channel be a worthwhile thing to make?

or should we leave these channels to the testers?

[crude geode]

Tbh it sounds like a shit show in the making, being in the public

[tawny garden]

Oh god

[zealous ridge]

Would depend on how it’s moderated

[tawny garden]

And I fear that a balancing channel might devolve to "pls buff I like op shit'

[zealous ridge]

I guess my main question is, if balance discussion isn’t really worthwhile in suggestions, where would it be really talked about?

cal talk and update talk?

cal talk is usually crowded iirc

Draedon update less so

But balance besides what has been posted in logs might come off as offtopic

[crude geode]

If you’re referring to right now, I wouldn’t know for sure

If you’re curious, you could ask Brav or Rover

[zealous ridge]

what, about channel traffic?

I guess I could

[crude geode]

Where balance discussion could go

since brav seems hesitant about discussing balance in suggs

@river glen #suggestions-voting message not even a day

The proposed solution is much more elegant than a toggle

[tawny garden]

Ye, we have disallowed suggs similar to those that have recently gone to voting

[cobalt pewter]

Oh my god

I was confused

I clicked on the link bajilion times

I thought it's Discord being shitty with linking again

Turns out the sugg is on the top of the screen, cut in half everytime I clicked

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

pisscord

[river glen]

god damn it

should i delete it

[tawny garden]

Probably

[crude geode]

Considering something like this was literally suggested not a day ago prolly

[tawny garden]

But it's not explicitly rule-breaking

[river glen]

ik

What about making all vanilla true melee weapons larger

since they suffer the issue

of low dps

and low range

as a true melee wepaon this makes this awfully shit

[cobalt pewter]

uh

Idk, maybe some case-by-case approach can be done? But idk how tedious it'd be

[river glen]

well

[tawny garden]

Make every true melee weapon like Murasama

[river glen]

no

like 20% larger on some

and 50% on some

like falcon blade

[dapper coral]

i mean you can ping literally anyone with the beta tester role

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah that'd require quite a lot of case-by-case approaches

[dapper coral]

i don't think a whole list is really necessary

[cobalt pewter]

Which might take time

[river glen]

figured, should i still post it

orr to much work

[crude geode]

That requires knowing said people. You can’t ping by role

[dapper coral]

i mean

if you're really struggling to find people, 5 out of 7 mods online right now are beta testers

[cobalt pewter]

If the person has at least funne blue role, chances are they're also testers

[dapper coral]

exactly

[tawny garden]

If you're undecisive, just ping Chetto

[crude geode]

Fair enough

[cobalt pewter]

Default tester person

[tawny garden]

mhm

[dapper coral]

imo this is exactly what it would devolve into
there's enough of that in other channels already
if you want something looked at, you can easily just ping a tester in like #calamity-mod-talk or something

[tawny garden]

Or here even

[dapper coral]

or here, kind of

[pine star]

@rancid saddle Can you give kill times with the reaper and comparable weapons?

[cobalt pewter]

[dapper coral]

i

[cobalt pewter]

Also

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Rebalancing suggs are nay

iirc

[dapper coral]

isn't this literally what we were just talking about

[tawny garden]

Buff sugg

[zenith hazel]

funny story

reaper was practically the best weapon to use against OD in the cool dudes multiplayer pt

[cobalt pewter]

gameing

I find Reaper a good one to use on OD

When he's moving around

[zenith hazel]

funny homing goes brrrr

anyway balancing suggestions are discouraged, and they didn't provide kill times etc.

[cobalt pewter]

Time Bolt devastates the boss when tired out tho like jeez

[dapper coral]

reaper is very good for OD anyways, yeah

[hardy dock]

Reaper is great

[hollow shell]

Regarding both my pings:

Yes a pin listing testers that are available for suggestions would be a good idea

And yes a temporary pin for holding off on balance suggestions until 1.5 would probably also be a good thing (probably not a blanket disallowance though, cuz iirc we're only dedicated to rebalancing post-ML and Stealth and some other stuff, so the pin could be specific as to what's already getting worked on)

[rancid saddle]

btw, The Reaper is a rare variant of the valediction

[tawny garden]

Wait, I thought everything will be rebalanced

[zenith hazel]

we know

[rancid saddle]

mhm

[zenith hazel]

but we've already said that you should hold off on balancing suggestions until 1.5

even if that wasn't the case, you need to provide numbers

just saying "buff this thing because it's weaker than pre-ml gear" doesn't mean much

[dapper violet]

doesn’t it also delete DoG

[hardy dock]

imma go run the numbers

[whole sedge]

Bringing killtimes compared to other items, how easy it is to use etc would be useful

[hollow shell]

Yeah
Boss kill times are the best info you can do for comparison

[tawny garden]

no longer need to iirc due to recent changes to the don'ts doc

[rancid saddle]

no reaper does much worse then valediction

[hardy dock]

im checking now

what's your build?

[hollow shell]

compare Reaper's kill time to Valediction and other post-Polter tier weapons
against OD or DoG

[hardy dock]

ok

OD?

[hollow shell]

Old Duke

[hardy dock]

ah yeah

ok ill just do dog

[rancid saddle]

Whats OD

[hollow shell]

Also I was mainly referring to Beesical but if you wanna try too that'd be nice

Old Duke

[rancid saddle]

oh I've never fought him until like pre yharon lmao

[hardy dock]

im testing anyway

[hollow shell]

understandable tbh

[hardy dock]

two sources is better than 1

[cobalt pewter]

The Reaper is better on DoG on spam iirc, but Valediction is better for stealth

[rancid saddle]

but from my experience, valediction did way better. But I do have to admit reaper has nice homing for events

[cobalt pewter]

Don't know if that's changing with 1.5

[rancid saddle]

Ritto did a video on it without stealth

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth strike produces typhoons at full damage when hitting body segments

Even though the actual weapon doesn't deal much iirc

[hardy dock]

what accessories are you supposed to use

[whole sedge]

I mean class setups exist on the wiki and they're not that hard to find regardless..?

[rancid saddle]

I use tracers, hote, The Community, Ambrosial, The absorber, Vampiric talisman and Statis ninja belt

[hardy dock]

well im using godmode to test to lessen the pain tbh

[hollow shell]

(make sure you're still trying to dodge and stuff, for more accurate gameplay results)

[hardy dock]

yeah

i just dont want this to take a while

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[cobalt pewter]

Try 4 defensive accs with warding and 3 offensive / class accs with Menacing

For accs

You're not supposed to go glass for beta testing from what I gathered by talking with other testers

[hardy dock]

yeah ok

[tawny garden]

Testing isn't for nohitters ye

[cobalt pewter]

even nohitters run jump GOD tbh

[tawny garden]

Jump King

[hardy dock]

my tests have concluded

Reaper averaged 4k dps phase 1 and 5k phase 2

Valediction averaged 11k both times

[cobalt pewter]

Killtime is generally more important

Since dps can be

Wild

[hardy dock]

yeah ik

valediction still killed nearly twice as fast

Reaper isn't quite as bad as beesical says but it still does underperform

[hollow shell]

mmm

It should be noticeably better than Valediction, considering it's supposed to be a buffed version of it

Improved variant, rather

[hardy dock]

I think the main issue is its piercing

[rancid saddle]

Honestly should The Reaper be buffed or should Valediction be nerfed?

[hardy dock]

in terms of balance changing I don't really like to simply alter a weapon's damage but that may be necessary here too

Reaper should be buffed

[hollow shell]

(Actually not sure why we're bothering considering the big 1.5 PostML power flattening)

(Reaper and Vale are going to be rebalanced)

[cobalt pewter]

kekw

[tawny garden]

flatten the curve™️

[rancid saddle]

not excited for that, will make most calamity endgame weapons useless bc hehe lifesteal funny uwu

[cobalt pewter]

???

[pine star]

?????????????????????

[tawny garden]

what

[rancid saddle]

is the flattening gonna make exoweapons do like 20k dps?

[frozen hornet]

Perhaps

But bosses are also getting the flattening

So boss diffoculty should stay the same,or at least similar

[eternal escarp]

so all in all nothing will change mostly

[sleek turret]

everything that is post-ML is going to be on the flattening.

[cobalt pewter]

It's more on the numbers yes

Experience should still mostly be the same if not more balanced

[sleek turret]

mostly you will not notice, at all, perphaps it would be the same expierence as you play before 1.5 update.

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[hollow shell]

Everything is getting flattened, yes. Both the weapons and the bosses.

Bosses will take the exact same amount of time to kill and be the exact same level of challenging

It's just that there won't be such a large power discrepancy between bosses in Post-ML now

[tawny garden]

I hope the Vehemence still does 823543 damage because yes

[hollow shell]

Vehemence is indeed staying as super one-hit fucker even with the unrelated SCal drops rework. That's its identity.

[hardy dock]

wait is scal keeping her gargantuan DR

Cus it's really funny tbh

[unreal viper]

no

[hardy dock]

[ashen warren]

Lunic eye no longer op poger#

[river glen]

gonna be reduced

i hope

[pine star]

iirc her health is still the same

But her new DR would be like 20%

[ashen warren]

nerfed to death

[gusty geode]

Starting to feel like the "I was inconvenienced plz fix" suggs are starting to get a little excessive
Like, it's too much work to grind for Gel?
The most universally common drop from the most universally common enemy type in the entire game?

[tawny garden]

That is a surprisingly good point

[eternal escarp]

i think the infinite gel part comes from the fact every main plain ammo type (bullets and arrows, atleast) have infinite versions

but yeah, i mean

endgame flamethrowers litterly have like

90% chance to not consume anything]

ontop of the 20% buff potion which im prty sure applies

not sure hoe the percentages calculate but like

you sureley have over 100% at that point, accesories buffs and stuff

[whole sedge]

yeah at that point it's pretty much infinite and gel's something you're likely gonna have in mass amounts the entire game really soo

[tawny garden]

Time to consult redcode

[eternal escarp]

go philo

[tawny garden]

I'm having dinner rn

[eternal escarp]

you said it in the present tense, so you are obligated to do it now

no dinner for you

[tawny garden]

fuck

[gusty geode]

This one sugg I was thinking of putting in for April Fools that was basically a 5+ page essay on why they should remove non-boss enemies from the game entirely feels less and less out-of-place every day

[tawny garden]

well, to set the chance to consume ammo you need to override this function

/// Whether or not ammo will be consumed upon usage. Called both by the gun and by the ammo; if at least one returns false then the ammo will not be used. By default returns true.
/// If false is returned, the OnConsumeAmmo hook is never called.
public virtual bool ConsumeAmmo(Player player)
{
    return true;
}
``` as explained in the summary, the function is called for the weapon and then for the ammo, so the chances are multiplicative, not additive @eternal escarp

[eternal escarp]

hm

so wait

that just means both work at the same time?

so if both send true, no ammo is consumed

right?

or false, that is

[tawny garden]

if either send false, it's not consumed

[eternal escarp]

interesting

so there is still a chance for it to consume

just way lower

[tawny garden]

or if at least one of the GlobalItem.ConsumeAmmo hooks returns a false it's not consumed

so yeah technically there is still a chance

unless one of these always returns a false

[eternal escarp]

which is only if its 100% not to consume, ill guess

[tawny garden]

100% not to consume is if it always returns a false

[eternal escarp]

ah

interesting

well, in any case, it doesnt really matter for the subject from before ig

gel is still so common

it doesnt even matter

[tawny garden]

yeah

that falls under future content and adding back removed content

[winged pilot]

Alright

[fossil finch]

M

[winged pilot]

I’m just going to miss the old slime god lore

[tawny garden]

if you aren't specific, it's not a nono

[river glen]

well

sentries is a sub class

theoreticly

[tawny garden]

but some say that currently there are enough

[river glen]

it isnt supposed to have armor

to it

[tawny garden]

post-ML is vast enough to allow it I think

[rancid saddle]

Honestly, I feel as if sentry summoner is unexplored post moonlord just to save people's mental health

[pine star]

petition for one of the sentries to be 5xx dartling

[rancid saddle]

Honestly yeah, there should be more sentry summoner content

I feel like calamity could do so much work and it could be a fun new subclass; like how calamity did true melee

Maybe have an accesory that can convert regular minion slots to sentries

[pine star]

Dungeon Defenders 2 is a tower defense game
which is why my joke was also about a tower defense game

[rancid saddle]

Hmm, the problem is should sentry summoner be tanky or not?

[pine star]

And Glaive

And Kylie

And a dartling sentry would solve the problem that summoner is literally just "dodge"

yes

!wiki glaive

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Glaive

[rancid saddle]

I've done sentry provi before, its fun actually

[pine star]

That said, the sugg is more about bosses like DoG and Yharon

[rancid saddle]

Last sentry is DOG tier

[eternal escarp]

i mean, expanding a sub class isnt really supposed to happen afaik

but idk if the suggestion is actually fine or not lol

true melee is more of a gimmick

[rancid saddle]

its not

its so good

[eternal escarp]

since most melee weapons of most sub classes have it

[eternal escarp]

not all gimmicks are bad lol

sub class is a weapon type

true melee exists in various melee weapons afaik

[pine star]

True melee weapons are just melee weapons that don't fire projectiles

[rancid saddle]

sentry weapons are summon weapons that don't move

[fossil finch]

1.4 flails are true melee so yeah
And, yoyo's are not true melee and they don't fire proyectiles

But what's the discussion about here?

[rancid saddle]

yoyos are true melee lmao

[fossil finch]

Yeah that's fine and pog i won't use them

[pine star]

i would if they were good

[rancid saddle]

yoyo bad lmao

imma do a sentry only scal fight, fuck it

[eternal escarp]

carrion VS scal?

gl my man

[rancid saddle]

Carrion, Endo hydra and any magic sentry I find

[grim tusk]

endo hydra aint a sentry

guidelight of oblivion is also a decent sentry for Scal

but good luck if you doing that as it will take ages

also dont get hit

[crude geode]

Sentry summoner doesn’t exist because vanilla said “what if we gave sentries multiple copies”

[cobalt pewter]

Too bad devs won't rebalance ooa stuff

[radiant meadow]

@ashen warren sentries aren't meant to be played with alone. You should drop any mention of a "sentry playthrough" especially since something like that ties directly into one of the things you're not supposed to do
https://gyazo.com/2e24488f8f6e30a95ed9139a8057a6a4

[cobalt pewter]

Sentry slots should behave like minion slots on stuff like Sirius

tbh

[tawny garden]

hmm

[crude geode]

Then people would just mix and match sentries

[tawny garden]

"at certain points of the game" is kinda unclear
does the entirety of Post-ML fall under that?
does the entire game fall under that?

@hollow shell

[cobalt pewter]

I'm saying in the context of slots boosting a single sentry, rather than adding another sentry

[radiant meadow]

"sentry playthrough" still indicates that they're specifically choosing not to use normal summons

which ties into the last sentence

[tawny garden]

ah, that's fair

[hard crescent]

im pretty much leaving the server anyway, and thats more just an opinion of the mod

[tawny garden]

I can't comprehend this

[fossil finch]

isn't this a don't

the sugg looks like "balance please" as far as i see

[hard crescent]

no one reads that stupid document i hate to break it to you

its way longer

in fact

[tawny garden]

it's a large-scale rework from what it seems, ye

[gray nebula]

cool sugg but I don't get what's being asked

[whole sedge]

Can confirm that this isn't true

[tawny garden]

we know, but it's still not allowed to break it

[sturdy geyser]

yeah like

what is this asking for?

[radiant meadow]

sprites are completely separate from the balancing/testing side of things what?

[gray nebula]

also bruh instance bruh instance bruh instance imagine not reading the don'ts doc then even calling it stupid

the sacred texts

[hard crescent]

"simplify the 'dont' document
no one reads the whole thing honestly"

tried posting that but its on cooldown

[gray nebula]

speak for yourself

I think

[hard crescent]

ive read it once

[tawny garden]

ah yes

[hard crescent]

then it got changed

and then got changed

and got changed

[zenith hazel]

and that's a problem because...

[tawny garden]

"delete the rules because they're long"

[sturdy geyser]

it is simple

[tawny garden]

[sturdy geyser]

you are being lazy

[fossil finch]

don't doc is not even long

[hard crescent]

its not necessarily a proble, but im pointing out no one reads the whole thing

[fossil finch]

and you can always f3 search

[fossil finch]

That's a lie
Speak for yourself on that

[hard crescent]

im not saying delete it either, just suggesting it gets simplified

[fossil finch]

Everyone that suggs does.

[gray nebula]

I mean multiple people here are saying they're reading the whole thing

[hard crescent]

im confident saying most people dont read the whole thing

[gray nebula]

sucks

[tawny garden]

you can't simplify something which is already simple enough

[pine star]

I read the whole thing

[whole sedge]

It was like a 5 minute read as most of the stuff is just common sense so sorry you're lazy i guess?

[gray nebula]

because apparently that's not the case from the people we've got here

[fossil finch]

i do not even sugg and still read the thing lol

[hard crescent]

server just hit 90k people, right?

[zenith hazel]

making a lot of assumptions here

referring to the "no one reads the whole thing"

[tawny garden]

people do read through it when we point it out

[gray nebula]

do 90k people suggest stuff

[hard crescent]

lets say that like 20% of them are actually active enough to post suggestions

[radiant meadow]

not even 20% are active in the server

it's more like 5%

[tawny garden]

and btw of these 90K members only like 200 ever speak

[gray nebula]

yeah OK but only less than 1% suggest stuff

[tawny garden]

most of them speak in #general-talk

[gray nebula]

[whole sedge]

Most of them don't even suggest stuff***

[crude geode]

This sugg sounds like
A) large scale rework, which is a don’t
B) trying to remove the fact that calamity stuff is much more powerful, which is just...not going to happen without immense work

[cobalt pewter]

What the fuck is this

[hard crescent]

dont want a large scale rework

[fossil finch]

good question feed

good question

[gray nebula]

yeah technically no one reads the sugg don'ts doc if you count all the people that don't talk at all and don't suggest shit

[hard crescent]

haha funyn suggestion bad and i should feel bad

[tawny garden]

well, you're proposing one

[gray nebula]

self pity time I guess

[pine star]

^^^^

[hard crescent]

nah, im proposing future installations go in a different direction

[zenith hazel]

changing the balancing philosophy is considered a big one

and even then

[whole sedge]

still a pretty big change which is a don't

[zenith hazel]

we're gonna rebalance practically every weapon in the mod next update anyway

[hard crescent]

yeah

exactly

[foggy plover]

yknow I've said this before but

[cobalt pewter]

If you're actively trying to ignore the don'ts doc after being told to read it, then you're just kinda cringe bro ngl...,.,.,.,

[foggy plover]

you guys don't have to be a bunch of asses to anyone who makes an invalid sugg

comments like that ^

[hard crescent]

calamity is hella buggy i would greatly like to see the mod get that sort of stuff fixed and not "changed arc of whatever from firing 874328972413987 projectiles and instead summoning 35671258 minions"

[zenith hazel]

then provide examples

[hard crescent]

im not that offended but thank you @foggy plover

[foggy plover]

this happens a lot

(every day basically)

[gray nebula]

balance changes aren't really preventing bug fixes from being made

[zenith hazel]

no mod is perfect

[hard crescent]

thats not necessarily true or false

[zenith hazel]

there's bound to be bugs

[hard crescent]

the balancing not hurting bug fixes i meant

[gray nebula]

if there's a major bug the programmers will try to fix it

[hard crescent]

time spent doing one thing can detract from doing another, but i get shit needs to be balanced

[zenith hazel]

then provide specific examples of unbalanced stuff

[gray nebula]

the coders don't test stuff

that's the tester's job

[zenith hazel]

even though it doesn't matter much considering our plans, it's still feedback

[cobalt pewter]

How is anything taking away from bug fixing or content updates? Like they happen together at the same patch and like wh

[gray nebula]

the coders just edit the damage/speed/idk values of the weapons based on the data collected by the testers

[crude geode]

This suggestion is very heavily subjective tbh. Which isn’t neccessarily a bad thing, but when it’s revolving around the balance philosophy of the mod as a whole, you wanna be more objective.

[cobalt pewter]

There are a lot of hotfixes even

[hard crescent]

someone coding thing A means they cant code thing B

they can alternate

[whole sedge]

Yeah but there's also like what 20 developers? Usually in dev groups one person just focuses on one thing anyways

[gray nebula]

if thing A is litterally just "change" damage=40" to "damage=60"" i think it's not that big of a deal

[hard crescent]

nah thats fine

its silly imo but its fine

[gray nebula]

it's balancing doe

can't have funny weapons shredding bosses because of specific quirks

[hard crescent]

every time i do a calamity run, i check the wiki to build shit. and every update, half of the build is incompatible because its all changed

[cobalt pewter]

every run requires a new build

Isn't that where the fun is!?!?!?

I-what

[hard crescent]

i like doing new builds

[cobalt pewter]

Oh forced

[zenith hazel]

some weps get nerfed/buffed between updates

[hard crescent]

i dont like having a build be wrong because calamity decided so

[cobalt pewter]

I don't really see any forced new builds in that case

[zenith hazel]

this is very normal

and even then

[hard crescent]

stat changes i cant really argue with

[tawny garden]

don't update then I guess

[zenith hazel]

the wiki doesn't dictate whether your build is bad

[tawny garden]

if you don't want changes

[zenith hazel]

it just recommends options that you can use

not must use

[whole sedge]

i mean my singular DoG setup hasn't changed since I started playing so i don't really know what you're trying to say here

[tawny garden]

god the Class Setups guide

[cobalt pewter]

Time to share class setups foreword for the 100th time

[golden narwhal]

I mean, that's what happens when a mod is unfinished

[zenith hazel]

also, people work very hard on the class setups page

[crude geode]

As for bosses, certain weapons just do less damage against them because the type of weapon vs the type of boss happens to be too effective. Why not just balance the weapon accordingly, and not arbitrarily say "only does x% damage against y" as a blanket fix?

What you want is a blanket fix. Fixing it’s effectiveness against a specific boss prevents it from being useless against other enemies/bosses.

[hard crescent]

i actively avoid that page lol

[radiant meadow]

tbh you should

[zenith hazel]

then what do you mean by "every update, half of the build is incompatible because its all changed"?

[cobalt pewter]

[hard crescent]

do be clear, although clearly i wasnt before, i am not advocating for previous things to be changed. I'm advocating for future implementations to be better designed in the first place and not be shat out

[crude geode]

...cool, thank you for your opinion.

[zenith hazel]

still drawing a blank as to what you're trying to specify

[hollow shell]

You're complaining about the mod not being well-balanced but you are also complaining that we're making too many balancing changes?

[zenith hazel]

as in, better designed/shat out in what way exactly?

[crude geode]

and your lack of ability to actually receive feedback

[hard crescent]

if a weapon is excessively good or excessively bad, it needs to be reworked. But reworking in such bulk quantities servers very little

yes lol

[zenith hazel]

yknow we can just

buff/nerf it if it is unbalanced, right?

[pine star]

Seems like neil wants weapons to be well balanced from the get go

[cobalt pewter]

So you're saying each major update should be bland in terms of balance?

[hard crescent]

nah thats impossible

[zenith hazel]

reworking is practically a last resort

when it comes to balancing, that is

if it's not really unique then yeah it could use a rework

[hard crescent]

balanced from the get go isnt possible, but better design from the get go is

[zenith hazel]

better design in what manner?

[hard crescent]

lets say calamity adds somethign after scal (just bear with me)

[crude geode]

Cool, that’s your opinion. Doesn’t mean the devs support changing their design philosophy for one person.

[tawny garden]

uh

[cobalt pewter]

You can try pinpoint which of these need "better design", first off

[tawny garden]

what do you actually want

I don't understand

[hard crescent]

the new boss is another worm ai right, and they add new weapons or ore or whatever. One of these weapons fires a metric fuckton of projectiles and the like

[cobalt pewter]

What???

[tawny garden]

[hard crescent]

so instead of just adding a footnote of "this boss takes 50% less damage from this weapon" just dont make the weapon so blantantly overpowered against it

[hollow shell]

He's proposing a hypothetical

[zenith hazel]

are you talking about resists?

[whole sedge]

Yeah this is already what calamity does though..?

[zenith hazel]

that's what we're trying to avoid for next update

[hollow shell]

Also you know those specific resistances are rare and are only done in cases where the weapon cannot be balanced for more than one situation

[hard crescent]

good then

[whole sedge]

Provi had this exact problem and last I remember they fixed that with Elemental Axe i think so what are you trying to say here?

[hard crescent]

thats what im suggesting lol @zenith hazel

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[cobalt pewter]

Specific resistances are quite a bit in case of Deus, at least from when I done Deus doc

[zenith hazel]

then that should be the main point of your suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

Or maybe just worms

[crude geode]

It’s worms

[hollow shell]

byeah you can make an anti-resist suggestion

[tawny garden]

balancing suggs are still a no until 1.5

[zenith hazel]

paragraphs like this are vague

[hard crescent]

i think it falls in the umbrella of 'balance'

but if im wrong fair enough

[zenith hazel]

but there will be cases where resists can be inevitable

[hollow shell]

Making a suggestion that says "Do all balancing better", when you're mostly concerned with resists, is not ideal

[hard crescent]

as for specific item changes, iirc vampiric talisman was one?

[zenith hazel]

as more weapons are implemented, the higher the odds of a broken weapon slipping under our nose

[crude geode]

Worms inevitably need resist checks, so they don’t die to anything with the ability to pierce

[hard crescent]

it used to be "gives x% of hp back when crit" and now its "1 hp per crit"

not a bad balance change

but enough of a change that imo its a whole ass different accessory

im going off of memory here keep in mind

[hollow shell]

Uh, that isn't how it works

It's still a percent of your damage

[hard crescent]

maybe its the opposite of what I said, at one point it was something then it changed lol

[cobalt pewter]

It's still a % yes

[crude geode]

if you don’t like playing a incomplete mod that’s still growing and developing with content, go play thorium.

[hollow shell]

heh

[cobalt pewter]

Your dmg is just low or you're using spam

[crude geode]

Because things are going to change because that’s how it goes for a mod in development

[cobalt pewter]

I'm pretty sure Thorium is in the exact same spot as Cal, doing major changes soon

Particularly to some of its classes I recall

[fossil finch]

yeah

[hard crescent]

im not complaining about it being good or bad, im complaining about the change being a rework and not as mucha balance

[crude geode]

soon as in when tml 1.4 comes out

[cobalt pewter]

[hard crescent]

i havent done thorium yet so i cant comment

going to soon tho

[tawny garden]

(don't mix it with Calamity)

[hard crescent]

god no

[cobalt pewter]

(don't mix any content mods)

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

Reworks are a part of calamity, along with balancing, because it’s still actively adding content and can’t meticulously check every single thing in every single update.

[hard crescent]

right, but it maybe should get more breathing room?

its a shite suggestion so whatever

[hollow shell]

mmmmm I think you gotta get a better idea of what exactly it is you're trying to suggest
You're basically complaining that balancing exists

[crude geode]

^

[hard crescent]

im not against the concept of balancing but im obviously fucking up the wording

[crude geode]

You’re saying a lot without having a central point right now.

[hollow shell]

You can try to rewrite the suggestion if you want, or at least portions of it

[hard crescent]

dont care enough tbh

[hollow shell]

Alright

[hard crescent]

i just finished death mode and im done with calamity as a whole

these are more parting thoughts i guess

[hollow shell]

Okie
I can delete the sugg then

[hard crescent]

yeah go ahead

[zenith hazel]

well your suggestion is still riddled with unnecessary-

alright

[hard crescent]

oh one more thing, and ill fuck off

god damn yall are pretentious as fuck

not everyone and im being a cunt too

but holy hell

[zenith hazel]

ok?

[hard crescent]

elitist might be the better word idk

ight well cya

[golden narwhal]

[pine star]

[crude geode]

Well that was something

[hollow shell]

Alright

[fossil finch]

i'd imagine that, even if it was fixed, nobody would actually vote it anyways
however moving on ig

[crude geode]

my suggestion is gonna be alone for almost 12 hours in voting pog

[hollow shell]

(dunamis's sugg is almost valid)

[pine star]

Almost?

[crude geode]

Except for where it breaks the subclass don’t

[tawny garden]

uh yeah Rover

[hollow shell]

(but then he whipped out the "sentry playthrough" card)

[fossil finch]

what the heck is wurm doggo stealth sugg

[tawny garden]

I asked you a question above

[hollow shell]

Ah sorry, didn't notice the ping

[cobalt pewter]

I already pointed out things wrong with it

Lemme just

[hollow shell]

The Don't is worded in that way to prevent suggestions that are like the example
i.e. adding a subclass weapon for a specific purpose, like killing a boss

[cobalt pewter]

• The part about Mycoroot should be fixed with change 256 for 1.5
• Stealth is balanced around not attacking while moving around
• Stealth already gives movement speed bonus, per stealth point

[hollow shell]

I am unsure if the entirety of Post-ML falls under "certain point in the game" however I don't think it matters much, because the heart of the suggestion is that subclass playthroughs are not a valid reason for suggs

Now, the sugg as you have it is valid, I think
A bit on the bare side but it gets the point across

[tawny garden]

alright

[hollow shell]

@radiant meadow What do you think

[radiant meadow]

I guess it's okay.

[hollow shell]

Post-ML does only have 3 sentry weapons, so the core of his sugg is indeed justified

[crude geode]

Doesn’t pre-hm have like 3 if you only count the OOA ones as one?

[hollow shell]

(What're the other two?)

Nah I mean

There's Caustic Croaker, the OOA ones, and what else

[crude geode]

Arguably it has less than post ml, because you also have the two from ml (that get immediately replaced by energy staff for some reason)

[hollow shell]

Cursed is sayin that the OOA sentries should be considered "one sentry"

which is, odd
but, he can say what he feels like

[crude geode]

I mean like for progression sake

You don’t replace your explosive trap with a fireball trap

[hollow shell]

True, I forgot ML dropped two

so PostML has 5

[crude geode]

Buff em and move energy staff to post provi

So there’s 3 pre-hm if you wanna count caustic croaker, ballista, and flame rod

And 5 post-ml

Then why is post ml a problem?

I mean you can get guidelight of oblivion then

sentry summoner isn’t meant to be viable

It’s a subclass for a reason

fabsol likes true melee is the major difference

[hollow shell]

Moving Energy Staff to post-Providence is a good move

either making it drop from her or making it drop from Immos after she's defeated

Yeah of course

[hot zephyr]

True melee is different from your typical subclass tbh

[crude geode]

That way it the ML sentries aren’t just outclassed immediately

[hollow shell]

Ye so

someone can sugg that if they want

[crude geode]

Because fabsol likes it

[cobalt pewter]

True melee is the true subclass

It's been here since 1.0

It's the oldest subclass

[hot zephyr]

It's also literally a part of every non-subclass melee weapon

[crude geode]

Asianman back at it again with the profaned guardian sugg
If you wanna change your suggestion to moving energy staff you can @ashen warren

That’s not going to happen. It’s a don’t.

Subclass support is specifically a don’t.

true melee is weird and awkward

You can get away with a true melee support suggestion because fabsol and the devs have been pushing for it to be viable so hard, because it should just be what melee is. There has been no efforts for sentry summoner’s viability as a subclass, so it falls under the don’t.

@hollow shell The suggestion has been stated to be specifically about sentry subclass viability.

unexplored in what way?

[hollow shell]

It's a specific weapon type that gets shafted
despite the fact that vanilla has a bunch a stuff dedicated to it

A suggestion to add more stuff of a certain subclass as fine as long as its not facilitating any sort of personal challenge i.e. to only use that weapon type

Cuz it's a matter of

variety

[crude geode]

Alright then, what Rover says goes

[ashen warren]

I feel like the heavenly gale is a bit underpowered. My Ultima is doing near enough the same DPS. Very underwhelming

[earnest cape]

Heavenly gale is rng

[craggy stratus]

you test the dps on scal?

[ashen warren]

Yes. Photoviscerator is like a billion times more powerful

Literally puts the heavenly gale to shame...

[earnest cape]

Isnt it getting killed next update

[craggy stratus]

yeah photo getting killed

[earnest cape]

[ashen warren]

Is anything planned for the gale?

[craggy stratus]

as far as i know, dont think so

[ashen warren]

🙁

[whole sedge]

It's likely gonna be part of the large scale rework so

[cobalt pewter]

stat wise probably will be addressed on major rebalance yes

[ashen warren]

Cool, I'll be looking forward to whenever that may be

[river glen]

hmm

it may be very biased, but i think VK need a nerf

it does way to much

and self-heal is still good

even tho its nerfed

[hollow shell]

Haven't used em in a long time
You could nake a sugg about it. Some data would help, if possible

ex. How much health you can heal in X amount of time

[cobalt pewter]

Comparing VK to Corpus Avertor is gud imo

Since both do essentially the same thing

For context, red orbs spawned by Corpus Avertor only deal two fifth of the weapon damage, and the player is healed by 5% of red orb dmg, so each orb would actually heal the player for 2% of listed damage

Meanwhile each Vampire Knives projectile will heal for 7.5% of weapon damage

You need to have enemies run into red orbs from Corpus Avertor, as they're left by the main projectile, and the main projectile itself gives no lifesteal

Meanwhile Vampire Knives is heavily spammable and controllable, since if you missed you can throw another set of knives immediately

Personally think Corpus Avertor is a slight bit more balanced in terms of lifesteal accessibility, but that's just me

You can only really get reliable healing from corpus if you'd fight provi iirc, since beeg hitbox

I'm not only laptop atm, so I can't give reliable lifesteal per second or smth

...did they nerf VK in cal?

I probably shoulda checked

Okay nope, no specific nerfs for the weapon

[serene fox]

apparently it's

buffed in calamity???

how

[cobalt pewter]

[sand umbra]

why

in what universe does this make sense

[cobalt pewter]

None

[sand umbra]

I mean I guess if you consider the tightened lifesteal restrictions in Rev+ but still

Vampire Knives are still stupid good support

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[sand umbra]

especially with a damage buff which means more healing anyway

[cobalt pewter]

So base dmg is 38 in cal eh

Considering it shoots like 3-5 knives

God shotgun healing

[sand umbra]

7.5%-damage-dealt shotgun healing

on average you'll get 2 health per knife that hits

(the reason it's 2 is because Vamp Knives healing is always rounded down)

[cobalt pewter]

Without any boosts you'd get 2 healing per knife yes

[sand umbra]

with any damage boost worth its salt that increases to at least 3

(it's literally 2 damage points off from that increase)

[cobalt pewter]

Gaming

[sand umbra]

in the end though idk. maybe Rev+'s stricter lifesteal rules make it balanced somehow

I haven't really done extensive lifesteal testing myself, and even if I did it was certainly not recently enough for it to be relevant

[frozen storm]

What Reaper?

Excuse me?

[golden narwhal]

Valediction RIV

[earnest cape]

^

[frozen storm]

What the hell

Reaver is stupidly good

[frozen hornet]

Reaver?

[frozen storm]

.

[frozen hornet]

Reaver is the armor set,no?

Reaper is the weapon

[earnest cape]

reaper is the weapon yes

iirc

the reaper actually

[south sleet]

Has anyone ever inquired as to why the Earth Elemental is not part of the Heart of the Elements/does not have his own summon drop

[earnest cape]

cause not a waifu

duhhhhh

[frozen storm]

Cuz it is a male

[south sleet]

Well i figure that first bit

But still why not have his own summon drop

[golden narwhal]

There have been a few suggs to include him

[south sleet]

I thought it wouldnt be an uncommon ask

[frozen storm]

But soon when Devs will think about switching his gender

[south sleet]

Or push comes to shove

Why not just genderswap the earth elemental

Ye

[golden narwhal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/782911678039195669 this is just for a summon and it's approved

[south sleet]

Just make the earth elemental a buff chick

Problem solved

[earnest cape]

No

horny

[frozen storm]

Making EElemental boss and then he will drop himself

[frozen hornet]

why does he have to be a buff baby chicken of all things

[south sleet]

Oh please, and none of the other elementals are?

[earnest cape]

you already have a perfect harem do you want more???

[frozen storm]

Mech alts arent even alts

[south sleet]

Yes

I'd love to add Clam Soup Supreme Calamitas to it as well

[tawny garden]

inb4 your whole screen is taken up by elementals

[frozen storm]

Ye

[south sleet]

It's the only way

[tawny garden]

[frozen storm]

EElemental is kinda big

[frozen hornet]

Just turn off visibility

[frozen storm]

Wait

[tawny garden]

the Earth Elemental is a Horse btw

[frozen storm]

I've just realised that HotE is used for only Rare Sand Elemental and stat boost

Like others aint do anything but shine like anime waifu

[tawny garden]

Ye

Especially Brimmy

[frozen storm]

No

Brimmy is ok

Cloud one

Ram

At least when Brimmy "hits" it creates explosion

But it is slow

[crude geode]

Welcome to stat stick central, who’s the mayor? HoTE.

[cobalt pewter]

H

Didn't we had this conversation for

100 times now

[crude geode]

pretty much yeah

I haven't seen it in voting so I thought I'd throw it in there

maybe this can be the start of stat stick murder

[cobalt pewter]

I would probably isolate the hote stuff in my acc doc

Haven't got time to develop on that

[tawny garden]

This sentence is said each time there's a talk about this

[earnest cape]

leviathan ambergris*

hote at least has waifus

[tawny garden]

ah yes

[cobalt pewter]

There has also been a sugg to cease horn

[tawny garden]

HotE is good because it got drawn boobies

[crude geode]

how well did that sugg go?

[tawny garden]

Not really well

[cobalt pewter]

102 stars

[tawny garden]

That's a half

[earnest cape]

102 stars

[crude geode]

Unsurprising

[tawny garden]

I didn't expect it to go anywhere

[crude geode]

Same

[cobalt pewter]

Not surprising when the last sugg searched with keyword "sexual" before that is to add more innuendos to drunk princess

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message

It was accepted as a valid sugg

[ashen warren]

god how

[crude geode]

Times were different

[earnest cape]

i will not read that text wall

[ashen warren]

read the text wall

[earnest cape]

no

[tawny garden]

Because I wasn't here yet

[cobalt pewter]

It's

Overly specific

Which wouldn't fly in current system

[ashen warren]

Philo would've ended everything

[crude geode]

why the fuck are we discussing this

[eternal escarp]

that suggestion made me want to rip my fucking eyes out

[ashen warren]

there was no need for that

[earnest cape]

because why not unless a mod comes here and amites us

[tawny garden]

Where does it all come from, Cursed, I don't know.

[ashen warren]

speaking of suggs that are not needed, looks like all the recent emote suggs died

[tawny garden]

GOOD

[earnest cape]

wow who woulda guessed

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

Oh, sorry, I mean ""

[cobalt pewter]

I wanted to sugg something but I forgot what

[earnest cape]

[ashen warren]

I mean, I did want JunkoNom though

shame

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth is off limits, which ain't gaming

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]