suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

future content?

like stuff already planned but not yet implemented

[tawny garden]

your only reason relies on content which is yet to be added

which you can't experience yet

[hollow shell]

Yeah you shouldn't make suggestions about things in #changelogs

[tawny garden]

for that reason it's a don't

[ashen warren]

oh my bad

[hollow shell]

Because you haven't experienced it yourself, and therefore don't know if your suggestion's really necessary

[ashen warren]

i mean the sugg still stands right now

defensive setups are not effective

[hollow shell]

Defense Damage really only exists to hurt facetanking & Luigi%

It won't affect the average person much

[tawny garden]

hold onto your sugg

[ashen warren]

and playing a harder difficulty doesnt mean you should be forced to play one playstyle

alright i will

[tawny garden]

until 1.5 is out

then you could suggest smth about the rework, if it's necessary

[ashen warren]

i mean i dont think defense is completely dead even in this update

i killed old duke with warding and defensive accessories

[buoyant idol]

I have a small change that I think would be nice for the perforators

I think that the hive should be unable to turn around because the sprite looks wonky when it does that and it has mouths on both sides so it is redundant for it to do that

[hollow shell]

Yeah you could suggest that

[buoyant idol]

Ok, just wanted to make sure I had no immediate objections

[hollow shell]

Just try to make it clear what you mean by "turn around"

[buoyant idol]

Ok, I will include that

[hollow shell]

Okay "rotate" is not the correct word

"flip" or "mirror" would be better

Because the sprite does have a subtle tilt to it as it moves to make it look organic, and people will think you're trying to get rid of that

[buoyant idol]

Oh, thanks for the clarification

[tawny garden]

wait, what will the dye be applied to?

to the elementals?

😳

[pine star]

probably

[hollow shell]

(true, he only implies that and doesn't say it directly)

[tawny garden]

pink Brimmy

[civic notch]

Honestly really like this sugg

[hollow shell]

@glass kayak You could make it a bit clearer that you mean the elementals summoned by HotE are the things which get dyed

It can be inferred but it would be better to say it outright. Your top line only mentions the item.

[final rock]

add cirnosip

Cirnosip brings a emotion I don't feel is expressed in any of the emotes here it has the emotion of everything else is burning down and I'm just here something non of the current emotes have so it won't feel like another emote that's interchangeable with a different emote
@tribal verge yes.

[sand umbra]

[[tgc:Critter Shampoo]]
would this work for accessory minions? I have no reason to believe it wouldn't but I just wanna make sure

[red storm]

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Critter_Shampoo

[hollow shell]

It would probably work

[sand umbra]

alright
building upon that, should the ability to dye accessory minions on the whole be possible to keep separate from Critter Shampoo if desirable (and more importantly, can it be done without extensively messing with the game)

[tribal verge]

Well of course cirno themselves said yes to the addition of cirnosip

[hollow shell]

Best option would be to have both be possible, but have dyes take greater priority over the shampoo

That might be hard to code though

[sand umbra]

that sounds like the ideal play

my main concern is whether or not it's possible without it being really fucking annoying

[hollow shell]

Actually maybe it won't be that hard

Depending on when/where things get applied in the code, whatever we do to dye the accessory minions could end up prioritizing over shampoo anyway

We'll have to see when we get there

[glass kayak]

oh yeah my bad

what do you all think about it?

[hollow shell]

The suggestion itself is fine. People have asked for this in the past, but resuggestions are totally fine

[hot zephyr]

(Suggestion seems alright, but couldn't you just buy KS summons from the Dryad and nuke it?)

(Or just... get a slime statue or two and have an infinite, free, automatic slime farm?)

[hollow shell]

This sugg does seem valid
You could also make the consistency argument for other ammos

The Arms Dealer will even sell weapon-specific ammos like Stynger Bolts and Candy Corn if you have those weapons in your inventory

So Gel wouldn't be too farfetched

[hot zephyr]

True, true.

(Although tbh I think there needs to be more gel types in general.)

[hollow shell]

More gel types would be cool. That was a moderately popular sugg back in the SIS era

[hot zephyr]

I think it'd be neat to be able to make flamethrowers shoot cursed flame, shadowflame, brimstone flames, etc

[proper grail]

Gel in general would be nice to sell, especially Pink gel

[hot zephyr]

But that's not as easy as making something like a new rocket type.

[hollow shell]

Prolly act in the same way Musket Balls and Wooden Arrows do
Where if the flamethrower shoots a special fire, it'll only do so when using default Gel

[earnest cape]

that would be cool

[hot zephyr]

I guess, yeah, that makes sense.

(Give me Napalm, Rover, please.)

[earnest cape]

fear

[hot zephyr]

I've got some war crimes to commit.

[proper grail]

Get the trench shotgun and the flamethrower!

[hollow shell]

mmm flamethrower flames that are slightly affected by gravity would be cool

[proper grail]

And realistic

[hot zephyr]

There needs to be a rainbow flame type.

🎶 Do you believe in maaagic? 🎶

[hollow shell]

Legit, Napalm Gel would be a cool new ammo type for flamethrowers
Gravity-affected and sticks to tiles/enemies

[crude geode]

I can’t be bothered to farm a boss whose spawn is sold by a npc, quality of life,,,

[proper grail]

Having a napalm flamethrower would be pretty cool (cough cough because areas burned by a flamethrower burn for a long time)

[hot zephyr]

Imagine a flamethrower alt fire that'd release a cloud of gas, then using your LMB would ignite it to make an explosion

[hollow shell]

Thorium

[proper grail]

HTTYD? Is that you?

[hot zephyr]

Never used Thorium flamethrowers.

[hollow shell]

Not a flamethrower, but flasks

Same deal with creating a cloud that you can later explode, tho

https://thoriummod.gamepedia.com/Plague_Doctor_Vials

Still a viable idea for a flamethrower

[proper grail]

Rover is going to enjoy the DoG patron suggestion channel if that gets implemented

[hot zephyr]

If only there was stock when I had the cash to buy the package, could've gotten my weird true melee hybrid armor in .

[hollow shell]

A damn shame

[earnest cape]

F

[proper grail]

Haha my OC accessory summon goes brrr instead

[hot zephyr]

Eeeeww

[proper grail]

Honestly new gel types and effects, to go with new flamethrowers or a flamethrower rework, would be sick

[hot zephyr]

Is that too broad for me to suggest?

[proper grail]

I'm aware of the general feeling, this is closer to Kami's knife since it's a reference to a book series I'm writing. I'm not making a Calamity oc.

[zenith hazel]

isn't farming gel piss easy?

[hot zephyr]

Yes

[proper grail]

Pink gel isn't

[zenith hazel]

gastropods drop pink gel

and flamethrowers don't need pink gel

[proper grail]

But they could

And pink gel is most useful prehardmode

So having gastropods drop it is a bit too late

[zenith hazel]

well, what else should drop it that makes sense?

because nobody should sell pink gel

[hot zephyr]

cirrus

[hollow shell]

Party Girl

[proper grail]

True

Or just make an easier way to find Pinky

[zenith hazel]

alright

[hot zephyr]

Rover, endorsing child murder. Epic

[zenith hazel]

but in the context of the sugg, the pink gel argument is irrelevant

[hollow shell]

"Pinky Promise" item
Use on a normal slime to turn it into Pinky

[hot zephyr]

It is, ye.

[crude geode]

Since when was party girl a child

[proper grail]

We're discussing a future suggestion.

[hot zephyr]

wait

[zenith hazel]

cool

and I'm discussing a current one

[hollow shell]

She's old enough to be killed by enemies (not "leave" like Angler)
But still younger than all the other females (except Princess)

[zenith hazel]

and my point is that gel is so easy to farm that no one should sell gel

[hollow shell]

This may be true yes

[zenith hazel]

not to mention it not making sense that an arms dealer would sell gel

[crude geode]

gel is incredibly easy to farm

The summon is sold for like 2 gold

[zenith hazel]

@rare sapphire ^

I'm not really sure how killing ks is considered slow in any point of progression besides pre-boss

and even then

[rare sapphire]

im aware, it would just be faster and nicer if i could just buy it

[zenith hazel]

he takes 1 minute to kill

[proper grail]

Having an NPC sell gel is perfectly fine imo, especially if it was the Merchant or Party Girl. But I agree it's easy to farm.

[zenith hazel]

then nobody needs to sell it

if it's already easily accessible, why make it even more accessible for no reason?

[crude geode]

Download some external mod if it bothers you that much

[hot zephyr]

I mean, if we're reaching then technically Arms Dealer is pre-KS

[rare sapphire]

ive already stated my reason, yes, you can farm easily, but it could be obtained so much easier

[zenith hazel]

why?

besides it being faster

[rare sapphire]

less time consuming, easy ammo

[zenith hazel]

killing ks is the opposite of time consuming

[crude geode]

You don’t get sold holy fire bullets after killing providence

[zenith hazel]

yea

[hollow shell]

Well because Holy Fire Bullets aren't the sole ammo for a large class of weapons

[crude geode]

You still can easily acquire them via just farming anything

[proper grail]

Killing KS is the opposite of fun though, and prehardmode it's still slightly annoying.

[crude geode]

“large” is a bit of an exaggeration

[hollow shell]

We make Flamethrowers into a subclass

There are only 2 in vanilla

[zenith hazel]

...that's literally what farming is about

[rare sapphire]

gel is used for 20+ weapons specifically. you cannot use anything but gel for those weapons. bullets are different, they are used on almost anything, so there are different bullet types

[zenith hazel]

it's not fun but if you want your shit to be effective then you have to work for it

[hollow shell]

(I dunno if 1.4 added any more, not to my knowledge)

[proper grail]

You shouldn't have to farm for the sole ammo source for a large amount of weapons.

[crude geode]

then why do you have to farm for new bullet types?

[rare sapphire]

new bullet types arent the sole ammo source

[sand umbra]

(can confirm, 1.4 added no new flamethrowers)

[zenith hazel]

but you literally do that for multiple ammo types

[hollow shell]

Gel isn't a special effect ammo
It's the baseline ammo

[proper grail]

Because the new bullet types aren't sole ammo sources. Infinite Musket Pouch is good enough to work for any gun.

[hollow shell]

Reminder that weapon-specific ammos like Candy Corn, Jack o Lanterns, and Stynger Bolts are sold by the Arms Dealer

[sand umbra]

(arsonist class is still a pipe dream at best, sorry for all you pyromaniacs out there)

[proper grail]

If it's this bad, I'm going to suggest an Infinite Gel Pouch

[zenith hazel]

sure

[proper grail]

Just to cut out the hastle in hardmode

Prehardmode, sure. Point taken

[crude geode]

That should be fine imo

[rare sapphire]

I'd settle for an alternate method for obtaining gel faster as well, such as turning 1 purified gel or whatever the slime gods drop into 10 normal gel

im post ML

[zenith hazel]

that's also a good idea

[crude geode]

just like, stynger bolts are different because it’s a chance of dropping. Not guaranteed. And for the other two, those are random drops as well.

[proper grail]

Turning Blighted Gel into regular gel at a multiplier would also be nice

[zenith hazel]

add alternative options to make gel accessible but also requiring effort, not by making it too streamlined

[crude geode]

It’s not like king slime doesn’t drop gel sometimes

[proper grail]

Flamethrowers burn a lot of ammo.

[rare sapphire]

yes

[crude geode]

haha burn

[rare sapphire]

especially the legendary weapon prov drops

[cobalt pewter]

@rare sapphire make sure to keep your suggs independent

[hot zephyr]

(Has nobody thought of slime statues?)

[rare sapphire]

oh ok

[hollow shell]

You shouldn't say "adding on to my previous suggestion" in your reason, yeah

[zenith hazel]

that makes up for it by gel being easy to get

[worthy lintel]

slime statues are 100% rng

[sand umbra]

can't you craft one

[crude geode]

^

[sand umbra]

or am I too spoiled by mods

[rare sapphire]

better?

[crude geode]

Same

[hot zephyr]

Just spend like 5 minutes underground hunting for rooms

[cobalt pewter]

I don't think cal gives a crafting for slime statue? I can't recall

[proper grail]

Same as other ranger stuff. Problem is that you can buy arrows and musket balls, but you're forced to farm for the only ammo for over 20 weapons

[hot zephyr]

You're bound to find em

[hollow shell]

(Fun fact, there are only 23 bullet-firing guns in vanilla. 22 if you exclude Red Ryder. There are a total of 19 flamethrowers in vanilla+Calamity)

[proper grail]

RNG is never a valid fallback

[cobalt pewter]

At this point we're making Arms Dealer sell Fallen Stars because muh grind

[worthy lintel]

still, being dependant of a randomly generated statue is 👀

[cobalt pewter]

[proper grail]

Especially not worldgen RNG

[rare sapphire]

wizard sells them i think

[sand umbra]

okay yeah I'm just spoiled by mods

[hollow shell]

Nah Wizard doesn't sell em

[sand umbra]

you cannot in fact craft enemy statues normally from what I'm seeing

[cobalt pewter]

I can't exactly recall, but wouldn't that be dumb?

Byeah

[worthy lintel]

and even if you DO find a statue, it doesnt produce gel at a quick rate

[hot zephyr]

Here's a counterpoint to all of the suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

Astrum oreos and adios drop Fallen Stars

[worthy lintel]

better off farm KS at this point

[earnest cape]

you can craft fallen stars from stardust

[proper grail]

"Just kill Astrum Deus if it's that important!" Grinding often falls short.

[earnest cape]

the one dropped by astral enemies

[hot zephyr]

Make Slime Statue craftable

[cobalt pewter]

Oh yeah there's this too

[earnest cape]

does anyone know of this recipe

[crude geode]

You get a shit ton of stardust you can’t use if you’re playing ranged

[earnest cape]

s existance

[sand umbra]

or you could just update to 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

Too bad Fallen Star based weapons are kinda brunge past the original

[sand umbra]

instant 10x star rate buff

[cobalt pewter]

Heck

[sand umbra]

because Star Cannon DX NEO of Gods Mk. II has to be usable

[hot zephyr]

Exactly

[distant gyro]

basically 20x

[sand umbra]

(and what's funny is that it actually buffs Calamity's Star Cannon chain into the realm of easier usability as well)

[hot zephyr]

tbh I think it's more likely they bumped it up to show off the new falling star animations

[cobalt pewter]

... that's a fair assumption

[sand umbra]

no it is literally because Super Star Shooter exists

[cobalt pewter]

Oh wait yeah

Man I'm spoiled by Journey

Grinding begone

[sand umbra]

I will legit bet money on this shit I guarantee you the changes to star falling were done so Super Star Shooter can be even remotely usable

[cobalt pewter]

Gaming

[hollow shell]

Strange wording in the top line

kinda implies that multiple types already exist

[proper grail]

Exactly

That's the point

There are other possible ammo types that currently aren't used

[crude geode]

Eh

The title heavily implies that there’s currently multiple types

[golden narwhal]

@rare sapphire second sugg needs reasoning,
Tho tbh, it'd probably be easier if you put it in your first sugg then delete the second one, since they both solve the same problem

[rare sapphire]

ok

[hollow shell]

mm, the second sugg is like a more general version of the first

Ah there it goes

[proper grail]

That better?

Rover?

[hollow shell]

Yeah a bit

[proper grail]

Advice?

[earnest cape]

(I hope it goes through to dev server)

[hollow shell]

I'm just a lil confused about what "more reliably" implies

But, iunno how best to word it

[proper grail]

Hmm

[crude geode]

Support Flamethrower Ammo

[hollow shell]

"Make flamethrower ammo more like other ranged ammos"

[crude geode]

yeah that works better

[earnest cape]

uses gel in my gun

[proper grail]

There we go

Found a decent wording for it

[frozen storm]

I think Halibut should ignore i-frame

[earnest cape]

why do you want to make an already op weapon more op

[frozen storm]

If it shoots like 35 bullets, some of them actually cant hit

[earnest cape]

and it's not a problem with halibut but the bullets itself

well a bit with halibut but ech

[frozen storm]

Byeah

From 25 to 35 bullets

And 35 is like, 3-5 of them just dont deal damage

If you dont use Luminite bullet

[radiant meadow]

Why don't you just use a bullet type that doesn't shoot yourself in the foot?

[frozen storm]

[proper grail]

Luminite exists.

Don't make a game-breaking weapon more OP

[heady storm]

Uh huh.

[hollow shell]

Halibut is indeed totally compatible with other bullet types, you can use those

[proper grail]

Would someone please exclaim the suggestion?

[heady storm]

For what reason though.

[whole sedge]

I don't really see anything wrong with it even if it's kinda just why

[hollow shell]

Unsure

@frozen storm Do you wanna at least acknowledge different ammo types in your Halibut suggestion?

[proper grail]

First, it's directly about dedicated content

Second, it's worthless in light of Luminite bullets

Third, it would make the Halibut Cannon even more of a game breaking hard carry than it already is

[crude geode]

You can make suggestions about dedicated content

[heady storm]

First, it's directly about dedicated content
TotalBiscuit is completely unavailable in case you did not seem to understand that.

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

😔

[proper grail]

Also, how tf did that Calamitas/Yharon/DoG death animation get through

[heady storm]

His item was added more as a tribute.

[proper grail]

I'm aware of TotalBiscut's death.

[crude geode]

Dedicated content suggestions are completely fine

[heady storm]

Only those then?

[proper grail]

As in

Each bullet has special properties

It's completely normal for high speed guns to not hit every bullet

[heady storm]

The whole point behind the weapon is to tear everything up.

If it gets better, it accomplishes what it was made for farther efficiently.

[hollow shell]

Wow you're right I forgot that was a Don't

[sturdy geyser]

wtf rover how

youve betrayed us

😔

[ashen warren]

sadge

[hollow shell]

Ehh doesn't matter much

[heady storm]

Those are frequently suggested though.

Only a discouragement from what I have seen.

[crude geode]

Yeah

[proper grail]

"Bad suggestion practices"

[hollow shell]

They are supposed to be disallowed but it's not as big a deal if they do go through

cuz a lotta the Freq suggs are valid

[proper grail]

Hey, I'm totally fine with that one in particular, but I had forgotten about the death animation restriction

[heady storm]

It's not a "restriction."

[proper grail]

Personally, I have a very strong aversion to this HC suggestion. It's not specifically against the rules, but it's sketchy and there a host of reasons against it.

Which have been discussed.

[heady storm]

You do not have to star it then.

[hollow shell]

byeah
iunno where the line is drawn between bad suggs that get deleted/exclam'd and bad suggs that get through (but with low stars)

[proper grail]

Imo this should be a don't, since it's basically causing even more issues. You want people to farm more for the HC?

[heady storm]

Bad suggestions get deleted or exclaimed when they have actual problems.

[hollow shell]

Eh, too specific

[sturdy geyser]

if they farm for it, they are getting an op weapon

[hollow shell]

"Any suggestions about buffing Halibut Cannon"

He's not even asking for a buff, technically

[proper grail]

It would be a very direct buff.

[hollow shell]

He said the amount of bullets can be reduced along with a damage buff, so the effective damage stays the same but without iframe fuckery

[heady storm]

He just wants more bullets to actually land and that's about it.

[hollow shell]

It would be a buff cuz the bullets that normally don't hit will now hit

But it's borderline unintended behavior as it is

[heady storm]

Sounds more like a fix if anything yeah.

[hot zephyr]

Is there really even "good" suggestions, or "bad" suggestions? Seems pretty subjective to me. Things we can objectively define, though would be rule-compliant, rule-breaking, popular, and unpopular suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

Less bullets would somewhat make the weapon bearable to use, fps wise, with certain boolets

[heady storm]

bad suggs that get through (but with low stars)
This should be something that is considered normal with our current system Rover.

[hollow shell]

Yeah I'm not saying that's a bad thing

[cobalt pewter]

Like Chlorophyte or Mortar (and its brother Rubber Mortar)

[heady storm]

People come here to share their idea with the community, which will either be liked or disliked.

[hollow shell]

I'm saying I don't kniw when we consider a sugg to be so useless or counterproductive that the arguments posed in sugg-disc result in its deletion

Because that has happened many times

[proper grail]

If you want to fix it, simply reduce the amount of bullets to non-i-frame fuckery levels without buffing it. Giving it a damage buff with fewer bullets accomplishes the exact same thing as a direct buff, since not all the bullets hit currently.

[hollow shell]

Which is also not really a bad thing

Okay but that's a nerf

To any bullet types that aren't default

[heady storm]

You are saying enough people can just express that they do not like the idea?

[hollow shell]

i.e. luminite

[proper grail]

It's only Luminite

Iirc

[hollow shell]

No other bullets have funny iframes?

hm

[proper grail]

Ignoring iframes I mean

[hollow shell]

(would be difficult for me to find an example of what I mean, Chetto
cuz the targets of my example are deleted suggs, lol)

[proper grail]

Eh, I understand that this is technically not against the rules, but it's not a simple "it bothers me and i don't like it" issue. I feel that this is both unnecessary and quite literally gamebreaking.

HC is purposely op, yes.

I get that

However, it's not quite op enough that many people specifically farm for it on such rare drop chances

If it got buffed, people would start making Abyss farms specifically for the HC

[frozen hornet]

but what if you're insanely lucky and got it while farming for reaper teeth

[heady storm]

Those in question got deleted for what I assume to be valid reasons though, no?

[hollow shell]

Majority of cases yeah it's a Don't

But I do know some which weren't explicit Don'ts but got removed/exclam'd due to
sugg-disc counterarguments

iunno
I'll be on the lookout for whenever it happens and try to let you know

[heady storm]

You can do that, yeah.

I would rather keep suggestions up so long as they do not break any specific rules is my thing.

[hollow shell]

This is understandable

[proper grail]

There are currently very specific "don't's" in the doc. Such as DS piercing weapons, or Yoyo bag upgrades. Perhaps HC buffs should be one of these don't's

[heady storm]

I do wanna add; some people here tend to overreact and believe whatever makes it into voting is practically guaranteed for implementation, which is not true at all.

[hollow shell]

Those are in Frequently Suggested, Solstice.

(tbf a lot of the things in that section are very old)

(might wanna review it at some point)

[proper grail]

Well, other examples include Rock crafting, Crystyl Crusher functionality switches, and a few others

Just for hyper-specific donts

[cobalt pewter]

Crystyl is still relevant because funne spaghetti code game

[hollow shell]

True about those
Although Crystyl has a very salient reason why that suggestion cannot be implemented, whereas HC buffs are just moderately inadvisable

[proper grail]

Redcode

[cobalt pewter]

There's this, tho
#suggestions-voting message

[heady storm]

The recent HC suggestion is not a buff necessarily, in case you did not catch that.

[hollow shell]

Well cuz that keeps the laser on left-click

so it's valid

[cobalt pewter]

I should probably repost that

Quite old

[proper grail]

I really don't see how it wouldn't be a buff, Chetto. In both scenarios it's a direct damage up

[hollow shell]

He is not suggesting "Buff Halibut Cannon because it's not strong enough"

He's suggesting to make it so some of its bullets don't pass through enemies

[heady storm]

It is literally a request to make the weapon more functional yeah.

[proper grail]

Yeah, I'm aware

I have an issue with how he worded it. Instead of just saying, "Make HC bullets not pass through enemies," he suggested two ideas that are both direct buffs to the HC. I don't have a problem with the base idea, just the way it was expressed.

[hollow shell]

aight

@frozen storm If you wanna acknowledge the above

[heady storm]

I guess he could reword his title.

[proper grail]

Ignoring iframes is a direct damage up. So is reducing bullet amounts to fit iframe limits and buffing damage.

Imo the best solutions would be to ignore iframes and reduce damage, or to simply reduce bullets to fit iframes without a buff.

[whole sedge]

(Isn't that what they said though?)

[proper grail]

Nope

[hollow shell]

He does indeed say "making less bullets and slightly giving more damage"

Which would result in an equal amount of DPS if it weren't for the issue his sugg is about

[proper grail]

Exactly

Let's say 10 out of 30 bullets hit with iframe limits

The bullets do 5 damage

Per volley, only 50 damage is dealt.

However

If the bullet amount was reduced to 10 and damage was buffed to say 7

That would now be 70 damage per volley

[hollow shell]

Sans said it was a smaller ratio than that

Most of em hit

[proper grail]

True

No, absolutely no damage buffing though

If 30 bullets hit

Then damage should not be buffed if you reduce the bullet amount to 30.

It's the exact same damage

You're just cutting out "ghost bullets" which deal no damage in the first place.

[hollow shell]

(that is, when you're not using Luminite)

But, yes.

[proper grail]

Luminite is different, I'll admit that

Basically, as it's worded now this suggestion would be a significant buff to all bullet types except Luminite.

A reword would fix that

[hollow shell]

Indeed

Hopefully he'll read some of this

(He's online but I guess he's busy)

[proper grail]

Yeah

Honestly I still think buffing HC should be a don't

We don't need more people farming specifically for the game breaking weapon

[hollow shell]

I'll veto that because such suggestions are very rare anyway.

The last time a change to Halibut was suggested was in September of 2019

And it pertained to its drop chance

[tawny garden]

hm? I remember some talk about it not too long ago

[whole sedge]

Yeah this is the first time i've even seen it mentioned in a sugg so probably fine

[proper grail]

It's not that rare Rover

Also Rock suggestions are also rare

But that's a Don't

[eternal escarp]

fair point tbh, last rock suggestion was prolly like

[hollow shell]

Well that's because it is a Don't, Solstice

[eternal escarp]

a month ago, and it was removed?

[hollow shell]

You'd have to look back to before the Don't was written to get a real comparison

[eternal escarp]

fair

im guessing back then it was a daily occurence?

[tawny garden]

I presume that they were quite often

[hollow shell]

Nah not daily

iirc it was SIS era
People liked using it in their edgy ideas

[eternal escarp]

ah

[proper grail]

A Rock suggestion (placeable rock) comes around every 6 months

That's quite rare

[eternal escarp]

i mean, isnt it placable now?

or is that another thing im confusing with

[hollow shell]

Yep, it is

[tawny garden]

ye

[proper grail]

Since July 2019 there were exactly 3 suggestions related to the Rock

All about 6 months apart

When was the Rock crafting rule added? Does anyone know?

[cobalt pewter]

man, imagine if SIS comes back in somewhat a much moderated conditions, I would be willing to bet on the countdown the system needs in order to be chaotic again

[tawny garden]

I don't even want to imagine it

[eternal escarp]

if SIS comes back first thing ill suggest is making star count 700 specifically

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

frankly, having seen #suggestions-voting back when it was just called "#suggestions", I don't even want the previous ❕ system to return

[proper grail]

If Iban gets his way, that will be the new DoG tier reward guys

SIS

And generally being consulted for stuff

[tawny garden]

ah right, I forgot, you can't get your SIS into the game even through bribery now

[eternal escarp]

what about brainwash?

is that still viable?

[proper grail]

One of the patrons casually made a SIS that Ozz liked, and will be implementing

[eternal escarp]

lmaaoo

[cobalt pewter]

br

[tawny garden]

lol

[proper grail]

Not even a donor item

[cobalt pewter]

@ozz explain

[eternal escarp]

not even bribery

[proper grail]

Closer to a meme vanity

[cobalt pewter]

Oh vanity huh

[proper grail]

It's pretty hilarious

[tawny garden]

so you just need to think of something amazing
which is, to be fair, a pretty high bar in this community

[proper grail]

But I'm not going to spoil it

[eternal escarp]

fair

[proper grail]

I'll say it was very well liked, is a reference to a game, and involves 1.4 content.

[eternal escarp]

time to craft the best idea and just casually mention it near devs

oh interesting

[proper grail]

Yeah

[eternal escarp]

if the game isnt celeste i will commit "understandable"

byeah interesting

[proper grail]

Anyways that's enough ot for now, we're not going to get SIS back in Calmain

[eternal escarp]

thankfully

no one wants that ngl tbh

[hot zephyr]

I rate the Crystl Crusher suggestion a 1/10 because I know I'd forget that I'd have it on laser mode and vaporize half of my base

[proper grail]

Same.

[civic notch]

Can we have more gel types in general, like I’m not making this an official sugg but it would make sense for gamma slimes, plague slimes, and whatever else to drop unique gel types. The flamethrower idea I really like, but also more torch types would def be cool

unless they do have unique gel types and I am a birdbrain lmfao

[proper grail]

Let's get a Flamethrower rework passed first, then suggest new gels

[civic notch]

As I said, not making that an official sugg

[glossy stone]

I just thought of something : wouldn't it be better to have The Oracle in the recipe of Azathoth ?

Both have pretty similar stats (aka ignoring i-frames), yet you just need a Terrarian to make the latter for some reason...

[tawny garden]

just build your base out of Arena blocks

[cobalt pewter]

first off

Oracle is a donor weapon

[hollow shell]

All of the Shadowspec weapons have wacky recipes

Almost none of them use Exo weapons as materials

[cobalt pewter]

second off, neither Oracle nor Azathoth have remotely similar gameplay beyond them being yoyos

[hollow shell]

the only exception being Apotheosis. Because Apotheosis is a meme.

[cobalt pewter]

third off, Terrarian is closer to Azathoth than Oracle is

fourth off, Azathoth's recipe is Fab's decision, and the weapon was made way before Oracle existed iirc

[glossy stone]

Simple enough

[hollow shell]

(I don't know if Azathoth is technically Fab's item or not)

[tawny garden]

in fairness, none of the Shadowspec weapons function like the ingredients in their recipes

[hollow shell]

mm

[cobalt pewter]

I mean yeah kinda fair

[hollow shell]

Azathoth is pretty notable for actually sharing some function with its ingredient

[tawny garden]

(lol)

also hmmmmmm

[cobalt pewter]

it's more of the thing Fab originally implemented early on iirc, so might not be considered his own dedicated item

but yeah

azathoth is confusing

[tawny garden]

I remember that Fab said that the only Weapon that's actually dedicated to him is the Fabstaff

and the other ones aren't

[cobalt pewter]

yea I faintly remembered that

[tawny garden]

there's a screenshot of it which I can't be bothered to find

[glossy stone]

Pardon me, but that first point is bit wrong, Infected Remote is a donor item and it still have a late-game recipe, so it is possible to see

[eternal escarp]

so in that case, should the dedicated item page be changed?

[cobalt pewter]

the point about the first one is that

donos are generally never used in other recipes

[tawny garden]

Probably

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

donos

[tawny garden]

I'm thinking on removing the template from the Azathoth page

[cobalt pewter]

since, well, it's their special item, and it'd diminish the value if they can be made into smth else

[glossy stone]

Cosmic Shiv has a similar case, and it still is valuable shortsword

[hollow shell]

The point isn't that donor weapons can't be ingredients, its that you need the donors permission to make a change like that

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah, I was about to say that

[hollow shell]

Arkhine

[cobalt pewter]

since Sealed Singularity replaced Duststorm in a Bottle for Supernova crafting

[hollow shell]

I could ping em if you want

[glossy stone]

Oh, didn't think of that

[hollow shell]

(prolly not necessary though cuz, yeah there are other reasons why Oracle wouldn't fit much in Azathoth's recipe)

[tawny garden]

if somebody could find (or make) the screenshot of Fab talking about the items that are dedicated to him, I'll remove {{dedicated}} from the Azathoth page

[glossy stone]

Well I don't think it would be supernatural to see a fusion of both, having an Azatoth with Oracle abilities, but maybe I should stop pushing this point if having them as separate, unique weapons is better

Was just a random thought of mine

[cobalt pewter]

https://gyazo.com/4cdfea64740f75eea779580e06434bc9

[tawny garden]

cool, thanks

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

So Animus would lose it too, then

(Was there one other weapon?)

[cobalt pewter]

I'd assume so yes

uhhh

[glossy stone]

Probably

[hollow shell]

Nah

Just Azathoth and Animus were the weird ones

[cobalt pewter]

I think this image surfaced from me asking about whether Elex can get dedicated disclaimer in #wiki-basic

so yeah, just those 2

[tawny garden]

cool, dethroned both

[cobalt pewter]

[frozen hornet]

looks at contagion recipe

[cobalt pewter]

what's up with it

[glossy stone]

Well, at least, I hope that Oracle can be nerfed a bit, it's a bit too effective for SCal imo

and now everyone will think I hate Oracle

[cobalt pewter]

not sure if fab or ozz will ever bother about balancing yoyos anymore

at least that's what merk implied when I shared the yoyo doc

[tawny garden]

where's the yoyo doc

[frozen hornet]

I used Azathoth with my ranged character and did as much damage as photo

[tawny garden]

I don't even play Melee, why am I interested in the doc

[hollow idol]

I dunno about Animus being dethroned, because ik Fab considered it his dev weapon when it was first added

[tawny garden]

well, not anymore I guess

[cobalt pewter]

It's more on their concepts than anything, but uh, here ig
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H3iHmZWfUCSVLYcbEUgoFpuCn7dBP3JwgDbGN3W9BzA/edit?usp=drivesdk

[eternal escarp]

instead of loosing your minds, why not ask the man?

he prolly wont mind, right?

[glossy stone]

idk

[tawny garden]

I was gonna say that he's in VC, but the VC is empty somehow

[eternal escarp]

he is in #general-talk if you want to know

[glossy stone]

Talking about DS as always

[eternal escarp]

add more sarcasm

[frozen storm]

true

or bullets from Halibut will ignore i-frame but slightly damage nerf

and sorry i was busy even i saw that ping

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message
Doesn’t this fall under death mode toggles? Also like it’s just a normal thing in calamity

[golden narwhal]

He's referring to the "Something is approaching" message

[eternal escarp]

he means to make them not be able to spawn after a certain period

like a grace period

so i think its fine?

[crude geode]

I mean, doesn’t that kinda go against the whole point of something is approaching?

[eternal escarp]

i mean, yeah it does

but the sugg itself is valid i think

[earnest cape]

no the sugg is so the game doesn't cuck you when you're unprepared

so scenarios where you just killed wof, recalled home and destroyer spawns immediately doesn't happen

(cough cough)

my bow playthrough

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes, based on true story

[earnest cape]

Yes

[crude geode]

I mean if it’s that much of a problem, shouldn’t it also be changed for the other random spawns?

[earnest cape]

i mean

i guess?

sure?

but a bit too late for that innit?

[frozen hornet]

Destroyer spawning willy nilly (sometimes without a status message) is one of the reasons I only build a proper base after plantera

[mint orchid]

Great pick for sam

[dapper coral]

underground astral box exists already, does it not?

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Music_Boxes

[tawny garden]

if you weren't able to get it, probably your bad luck is to blame

[dapper coral]

@sleek ore

[sleek ore]

oh my bad

I actually didn't check that, should have, a friend just told me that it wasn't a thing and I trusted him

[dapper coral]

dw about it
do verify your information before you post a sugg about it, for the future

[sleek ore]

yeah I get that I just trust this guy a lot

I'll go make fun of him

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

lole

Wasn't this confirmed to be annoying as hell to code?

[dapper coral]

this sounds amazingly annoying to code

[tawny garden]

it is

[dapper coral]

if not confirmed

[velvet locust]

um

this is already going the exact same way as last time

[tawny garden]

it's a fact that doesn't need a lot of confirmation

[sleek ore]

imagine the frustration of increased drop rates for your class weapon and you still don't get it though

[tawny garden]

imagine rewriting the entirety of drops code for this

in vanilla

[dapper coral]

last time?

[tawny garden]

• rewriting all modded drops

[cobalt pewter]

The closest thing, and this is the closest, is to register the dmg type of last hit on boss

Which is what WeaponOut full did with its fist weapons

[tawny garden]

wurm has sugged this before

[velvet locust]

ye i posted this same sugg last month

[cobalt pewter]

As long as you finished up with a fist, you'll be guaranteed to get boss fists

[velvet locust]

except the wording was shit last month

so

[dapper coral]

i mean

[tawny garden]

the wording being better doesn't make this any easier to actually implement this into the game

[dapper coral]

if you were told that the coding would be stupidly difficult

it doesn't really change things

[velvet locust]

but it would make farming much easier : D

[dapper coral]

that's not the point, though

[dapper violet]

just do multiplayer and you get more rolls at having your class weapon drop

[dapper coral]

it's not gonna happen because it sucks ass to code, period

[dapper violet]

me and my buddy did duke fishron like 12 times before razorblade typhoon dropped

ez

[velvet locust]

so ideas on how this would work?

[dapper violet]

i don’t know man why don’t you learn C#

[cobalt pewter]

[dapper coral]

you can't say "okay but it would be cool" and expect that to be valid reasoning to implement something that you know is total ass to make in the first place

[cobalt pewter]

Do I need to ping flashkirby for this? He codes WeaponOut

Since I don't understand specifics of how that works

[tawny garden]

someone like jopo needs to spend a month on a separate mod to make this happen

[velvet locust]

how about every time you kill a boss, the game checks your proficiency and whichever level is higher, that is the drop rate that gets increased

[cobalt pewter]

I think we talked about that

[zenith hazel]

yes we did

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

any approach would be really damn dificult

[zenith hazel]

that would also be painful

[velvet locust]

im pretty sure it would be absolutely worth it

[dapper violet]

you would have a floating drop table at that point
changing after every fight

[zenith hazel]

doesn't mean it's not ridiculous to implement

that's like saying

[cobalt pewter]

How about what I mentioned above, Brav? Using the damage type of the last hit to take note of what to drop. I know well this is somewhat in WeaponOut with their fists, but idk how complicated it'd be

[zenith hazel]

"oh I was scal would have this super duper saiyan aura when she's at 50% health while also spitting out fire pillars surrounding her but also raining hellfire down on you"

sounds cool, but not feasible to implement

[velvet locust]

and also im saying post moon lord

u check that yet?

[tawny garden]

that's easier to do than this sugg tbh

[zenith hazel]

that doesn't make much of a difference

[tawny garden]

[dapper violet]

oh so it’s only some bosses that’s even better

so instead of a global change, it’s only for specific ones

/s

[velvet locust]

i thought u said last month that screwing with vanilla boss drops is not something to mess with

[dapper violet]

out of curiosity have you ever done any kind of coding?

even, like, scratch or something?

[velvet locust]

only scratch

[zenith hazel]

well yea, but that doesn't make it any easier

[velvet locust]

can u at least try?

[tawny garden]

people have already tried

surprise surprise, you're definitely not the first person to come up with this idea

[dapper violet]

What, are we just skipping the voting part now? Just try and implement things immediately?

[velvet locust]

oh

well

then first vote then try i guess

[zenith hazel]

@radiant meadow thoughts on this? (again)

[radiant meadow]

You can convert your proficiency level of a class to a scalar to increase the chance of a weapon of that type to drop, but that only would work for stuff in bags

it'd be kinda wack in normal mode, especially in multiplayer

I guess you could use whoever the boss is targetting

[tawny garden]

fuck normal mode, fuck multiplayer

[unreal viper]

add treasure bags to normal

ngl

[velvet locust]

im pretty sure no one plays normal mode so that wont be a problem

[tawny garden]

people do

[velvet locust]

oh

well dont add it to normal mode

[tawny garden]

not a lot of people play it, but yeah

[dapper violet]

arma lets you get treasure bags in normal mode

[tawny garden]

not in 1.5 iirc

[pine star]

You still can

Once

And only once

[hasty moon]

i mean it sounds like a fair deal since expert+ already cuts down on some grindy items

[velvet locust]

and also i think trying to implant it in normal mode is a waste of time since normal mode is ez and people wont need that feature

[hot zephyr]

Where the hell is JunkoNom

[sturdy geyser]

anti junko bias

[hot zephyr]

My stars are waiting

[ashen warren]

but how about CirnoSip though

[tawny garden]

fuck it

[summer sentinel]

oh junkonom broke and I just awoke, I know what to do

[dapper coral]

it is doing the thing

[summer sentinel]

HOW did it break at junkonom

This is fucking anti bias against me

[hot zephyr]

Too good of an emote

[ashen warren]

based

JunkoNom is fucking glorious

[tawny garden]

lol

[cobalt pewter]

lole

[tawny garden]

can you move it by reacting with ✅?

[cobalt pewter]

Suggestion Author: Me momentum

[summer sentinel]

I tried that and it didn't work

[tawny garden]

well,

do the Suggestion Author: Me thing then

[dapper coral]

amber is doing the thing also

[tawny garden]

ah

[dapper violet]

i don’t know, man, i think it’s a sign

[tawny garden]

well, it might get rebooted soon then

[dapper violet]

clearly junkonom is not meant to be

[ashen warren]

Clearly it is

[tawny garden]

cool

Lauren approved Lauren moment

[summer sentinel]

@hot zephyr it's alive ignore the approved by bias

[hot zephyr]

The deed is done

[cobalt pewter]

Rich

[ashen warren]

LMAO

[cobalt pewter]

I woulda gotten the obama medal meme

But me lazy

[hot zephyr]

We've self reviewed and found ourselves completely innocent

[summer sentinel]

Oh yeah that picture is pretty funny, I'll save it

[civic notch]

The simpsons we do song but it’s only lauren

We live in an autocracy

[half kayak]

@velvet locust most people will just buy bags from operator from alchnpc lite which is often paired with calamity

[civic notch]

Uhhh

[cobalt pewter]

"often paired with Calamity"

Eh uh

What

[civic notch]

That’s not a good

How do I say this

[half kayak]

i mean most yters pair alchnpc lite with calamity

and i pair alchnpc lite with calamity

[tawny garden]

yeah, the "often paired with calamity" bit is a massive overstatement

lol

[cobalt pewter]

lole

[civic notch]

Most yters + you = 0.01% of calamity players

[half kayak]

alright can you guys not spam ping me about this

i get it

[civic notch]

You haven’t even been

Pinged once

My guy

[half kayak]

ok

well if i get pinged like an hour later im blocking the player who pinged me

[dapper coral]

even if it were the case, calamity wouldn't even think of balancing for other mods

so that's kind of a moot point anyhow

[half kayak]

ok

[civic notch]

Ironically enough you actually pinged someone about what they said

[half kayak]

i get it >_<

never touching #suggestions-discussion or #suggestions-posting again. i always get spam pinged for the rest of the day when i make a suggestion

or when i reply to the suggestion half the server will say why its dumb for a whole day after i say "i get it"

[civic notch]

Alright dude you don’t have to write a wall of text

We get it

[tired haven]

what a mature way to take a return to convo

[hardy dock]

what did i walk into

[tired haven]

ah well

[dapper coral]

don't worry about it

[pine star]

Hello

[frozen storm]

If your suggestion is good, they wont ping you

Also when

[sleek turret]

why promoting your own suggestion.

[summer sentinel]

(you shouldn't promote your own sugg)

[tawny garden]

[frail mantle]

never with that attitude

[dapper violet]

going to un-star that real quick

[tawny garden]

good

[summer sentinel]

I think their discord double posted that so I'll delete the dupe

[radiant meadow]

Because the point of #suggestions-posting is that suggestions get posted and if issues are spotted, they are fixed. If you don't fix them and leave the suggestion there, people will see it and keep pinging you. So either you gotta fix it or delete it.

[hot zephyr]

Alright but tbh

Who actually uses ML's dropped weapons

[sharp prism]

^

[novel belfry]

for crafting cal weaps

[pine star]

Terrarian?

[hot zephyr]

By the time you're using them for crafts you'll be able to vaporize ML

[sleek turret]

Terrarian, maybe SDMG.

[summer sentinel]

What Ian said: once you beat ML once, you can beat him again much easily

[sleek turret]

Last Prism maybe???????????

[hot zephyr]

Who the hell uses Last Prism?

I thought it was nerfed into the ground

[novel belfry]

Ark of the Elements intensifies

[summer sentinel]

You'd be surprised at the power of last prism, that's all I'll say but I'm not a tester or anything

[sleek turret]

make Last Prism have shotgun spread

[tawny garden]

has a beta tester role

[proud parcel]

I'm a bit late in mentioning this, but would Solstice's flamethrower suggestion be a blue check?

When it goes into voting

#suggestions-voting message

[sand umbra]

not as many as the number of people that'll use them next update, more than likely

[tawny garden]

well, not necessarily

[proud parcel]

I suppose his also adds the infinite gel

[tawny garden]

Solstice's sugg is broader

although he does mention gel at the bottom

[proud parcel]

It's only broader with the infinite gel, no?

It's certainly more verbose

Well, I suppose title is definitely more broad

(Also, just to check, it's better for something to be a blue check, yeah?)

[hollow shell]

Not really better, nor worse

[proud parcel]

I see

[hollow shell]

(In my opinion it's better to not get bluechecked cuz it stimulates dev talk better than a bluecheck does)

[proud parcel]

Ahh, I shall no longer push for blue check

[hollow shell]

heh

[sand umbra]

something something Defiled Rune's days are numbered

isn't summoner acc progression being changed again due to the sweeping rebalance of summoner as a whole

read the above
re: @cerulean estuary and @bold wave respectively

[eternal escarp]

yeah

more damage less summons basically afaik

so balance all around

[bold wave]

So you're saying it's not worth it to sugg until we see the changes?

[cerulean estuary]

so defiled rune is getting the bonk?

[eternal escarp]

basically, since giving more slots to an item when the balancing revolves around removing slot spam

is kinda counteracting

and defiled rune is going to be only the flight time removal

the other buffs will no longer exist

[cerulean estuary]

ah oki

[eternal escarp]

same with armageddon

so yeah

[cerulean estuary]

good to know

[eternal escarp]

@tight parrot same message

edit it into the message

i can already see you try another message lmao

and on another note, that happening next update

[tawny garden]

yeah, stealth is already getting a rework

that will make it viable

[eternal escarp]

they are still trying

[tawny garden]

so your sugg is future content @tight parrot

suggestions about soon to be reworked features aren't allowed

or soon™️

[eternal escarp]

did they just leave

after a suggestion?

[tawny garden]

they might've

ding dong ditching

[eternal escarp]

i would ping agian but thats just rude at this point so, lets just give them time ig

maybe exclaim it tho

or just remove

[tawny garden]

just delete

[eternal escarp]

oh, they just edited more

still same arguement tho

[tight parrot]

wait am i just small brain and they are trying to rework it

.....

[eternal escarp]

yes

[tight parrot]

[eternal escarp]

they already published the change aswell

well

"published"

its in #changelogs

[tawny garden]

#changelogs message this, for a start

[eternal escarp]

yeah that

[worn blaze]

in what way are they reworking it?

[eternal escarp]

read that message

[frail mantle]

the way stealth damage works is being reworked

[worn blaze]

it just takes me to the end of the changelogs

[tawny garden]

because mobile sucks

[worn blaze]

tru

[eternal escarp]

i was about to SS lol

byeah

[frail mantle]

average screenshot fan vs standard snip n sketch enjoyer

[worn blaze]

I'm still waiting on a psu for my pc

[eternal escarp]

but i use a snip tool aswell

[tight parrot]

XD

[frail mantle]

too bad

you are now screenshot fan.

[tight parrot]

no

[eternal escarp]

fuck

guess ill use prtn scrn now

[tight parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/impossible-star-wars-mark-hamill-luke-skywalker-gif-5440327

my friend named the summon from yharon's kindle staff

[frail mantle]

anyway yeah stealth is hopefully gonna be actually worth it next update (and feedza isn't gonna have to gibby_arrival.gif every time someone mentions changelog 256)

[tight parrot]

... cancer cell

[worn blaze]

honestly I feel like stealth should be reworked to work with dashes and have it's own dash if needed, and it should give you stealth on perfect dashes

[tight parrot]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

the number 256 is just feedzuh's summon item

[frail mantle]

(i mean he's probably still gonna do it but ya win some, ya lose some, you know )

[eternal escarp]

omw to suggest a pet to summon feedzuh thst had 256 sprite

byeah

[late dove]

Ah man was about to ask for meteor armour to give immunity to space related stuff

Like the frostburn, on fire and low gravity effect

But someone already asked for it

[hollow shell]

You can ask for it too

[late dove]

It already has a check

[tawny garden]

resuggs are fine

[late dove]

Well yeah but it seems that suggestion has gotten enough traction

[frail mantle]

i believe suggesting something that has already been suggested and blue checked before is allowed because if it reaches 200 stars again it shows that there's public interest in the suggestion

or something like that, i'm not good at wording things that are supposed to sound smart

[eternal escarp]

isnt it explained in the doc?

phone discord sucks ffs

[tawny garden]

and in pins

It's fine for your suggestion to exist even if it's been suggested before! Our system accounts for that and it will improve the chances for that suggestion to be implemented.

[weak field]

LMAO

[zenith hazel]

@ashen warren nope

not happening again

[ashen warren]

-_-

[zenith hazel]

a meme channel once existed and it was horrible to moderate

that's the tl;dr

[ashen warren]

Ooooh

[zenith hazel]

pretty sure it's even in the doc to not suggest a meme channel

[weak field]

I thought nobody would suggest it

[zenith hazel]

please read the doc first before you post

[tribal verge]

Lmao

[ashen warren]

you can barely post a thing

[weak field]

Well, that's because all you try to post are memes, probably

As much as we might enjoy them, other people might just flood it with nsfw stuff

[ashen warren]

Oh

[tribal verge]

Yes

And they are a pain to moderate

With 80k people posting a ton of memes at once it's understandable

[weak field]

Anyway, point is, a meme channel on a server this big is practically opening the gateway to hell

[earnest cape]

Cue to merk saying memes arent illegal in #general-media

[cobalt pewter]

#help-advice-read-pins not here

[mint orchid]

@rare sapphire I actually really like that suggestion

[warm scarab]

it would be good to make teleportation potion unable to put you in sunken sea pre desert scourge and sulfur sea when you don't have the sulfuric poisoning innunity

[glossy stone]

That last suggestion is p interesting...

[marble hazel]

pretty good sugg yes

[golden narwhal]

@heady storm overdue suggs need a mod's help again

[cobalt pewter]

4 of them

[heady storm]

That should be it, thank you for pinging.

[frozen storm]

[golden narwhal]

Ty, chet

[eternal escarp]

lets go

repost

[crude geode]

yes, because I knew it was gonna get drowned out so I deleted

[tawny garden]

wait a sec

aahh

that makes sense

[eternal escarp]

shit that smart

omw to suggest 3 text chonkers to drown you out

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

holy shit my chonkers sugg is at 280

how (how)

[pine star]

HOW

[eternal escarp]

how*
(how?) how
how
*how

yeah too much

what was your chonker suggestion agian?

[tawny garden]

are you gonna unstar it?

[eternal escarp]

no idea if i even starred it

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

just curious what it is

[tawny garden]

rage

[eternal escarp]

oh that

yeah i starred it lol

[fossil finch]

they can not ignore rage

[dapper coral]

i am a little confused by the latest sugg

you say to rework the moons, but then in your solution there is no mention of them?

@crude geode

[crude geode]

...what?

[dapper coral]

you say to drastically change how the brimstone monsters operate

right?

[crude geode]

Oh

That’s because I’m cutting out the middle man of the brimstone monsters entirely

in favor of splitting up the arena

[dapper coral]

then i think the title should reflect that

because rn it sounds like you're just changing the patterns of the moons, not removing them entirely

[crude geode]

a remnant of when this sugg wasn’t specific
Done

[dapper coral]

[crude geode]

Is it just me or do certain Deathmode boss fights feel way more intense than others? For example, DoG’s death mode change is super intense while Yharon’s are just...relatively minor.

[eternal escarp]

i mean, what can you add for yharon

making the mini infernados one shot aswell?

although that is right, yeah

some are more battle changing

[crude geode]

~~yes ~~
I’d prefer one or two massive changes, like DoG’s one shot head, over the 5 very minor ones that Yharon has.

[eternal escarp]

fair ig

[crude geode]

Ravager has a single change, but the doubled projectile speed (I assume) is bigger and more noticeable at any point than Yharon’s changes.

It feels much more intense and fight changing, instead of just going up a slight tick in difficulty and adding the requisite “difficulty increasing changes”

[cobalt pewter]

DoG is hard because

Instakill head

Which is probably remotely the only drastic change beyond the higher stats at lower HP

[crude geode]

Pitchblack sky

But frankly I prefer changes like those over this gets buffed, and this, and this. Feels much more noticeable.

Provi attack delay decreasing like hell and also no healing cocoons are the most major changes, but it makes a world of a difference in that fight

What I’m saying is

Yharon in Deathmode feels lame when compared to Provi and DoG’s changes

[cobalt pewter]

Deus has

Literally nothing beyond default stuff in dmode

[crude geode]

god I hated pre rework Deus in Deathmode
Can’t really say since I haven’t fought them in Deathmode since the rework

A lot of bosses feel very...bland in their changes

Will prolly make a suggestion about it

[cobalt pewter]

Sure

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth

[sharp prism]

[cobalt pewter]

Lemme actually read it for a sec