suggestions-discussion

[lone jay]

Change da stealth... My Final Message. Goodb ye

[hot zephyr]

Do you like... have any ideas on how to rework it?

[lone jay]

Yeah but it wouldn’t be very similar to what it currently is at all

[hot zephyr]

Alright

Let's hear it

[crude geode]

Good luck with that, would go with big scale rework

[cobalt pewter]

You can't really suggest it ye

[hot zephyr]

They could break it up into smaller suggs, though.

[crude geode]

so go somewhere else like #calamity-mod-talk

[hot zephyr]

Drop it in there and @ me

You've caught my interest

[cobalt pewter]

I just woke up and I had to get my hands dirty with this

[frozen storm]

U.

Luxor's Gift works with yoyo

[cobalt pewter]

Only on initial throw

[frozen storm]

Yes

Yoyo spam

[mighty knot]

@frozen storm I feel like there's plenty of other reasons for that

[frozen storm]

Byeah we have Old Duke nerf in 1.5

[radiant meadow]

That would make OD the only Acid rain enemy affected by Ichor

[mighty knot]

oh shit never mind

[frozen storm]

Oh

[mighty knot]

I mean it makes some sense, he seems like the most 'fleshy' enemy

[frozen storm]

I didnt know that whole Acid enemies has resist to Ichor

[mighty knot]

and df is affected

but I would always advocate for more uses for debuffs

[radiant meadow]

They resist almost everything

[frozen storm]

Even Cursed?

[hollow shell]

Why do Acid Rain enemies resist ichor?

(also you mean Cursed Inferno)

[radiant meadow]

Sulphurous sea creatures in general you mean

[frozen storm]

Cursed inferno?

[hollow shell]

Indeed
Why?

[hot zephyr]

(So many enemies are immune to most debuffs, Calamity especially)

[frozen storm]

But not 5 main debuffs

[hollow shell]

"Cursed" is the debuff that Cursed Skulls and the Slime God minions inflict on you that makes it so you can't use items

"Cursed Inferno" is the green flames

[radiant meadow]

I believe it is loosely lore related with the radiation of the sulph sea making them immune to most stuff.

[frozen storm]

Cursed, Ichor, Enraged, Shellfish Claps, Kami flu(for bosses)

Then I want to be radioactive

[radiant meadow]

(Enraged, Kami Flu, and Shellfish Claps are a bit different)

[hollow shell]

Indeed, those three debuffs have code that removes any immunities to them if they exist

Yeah, this sugg makes sense

[frozen storm]

||iirc Kami Flu decreases agressiveness of Boss minions||

[hollow shell]

Why only give our shelly bois special treatment when Stardust Cell is the same concept

[mighty knot]

approval? from rover?
this is truly the greatest moment of my career

[hollow shell]

I approve of a lot of suggestions
Sometimes not verbally tho

[radiant meadow]

Stardust Cells actually can still do damage though when attacking

[hollow shell]

Okay yeah sure so can Golden Gun

[radiant meadow]

Shellfish only deal damage on the initial clamp

Stardust cells also don't do only 5 damage

[hollow shell]

There's no reason for late-game bosses to be immune to Celled
(or, frankly, most debuffs, aside from 'cool factor')

[radiant meadow]

And well the only relevant bosses immune to Celled are Astrum Deus and maybe Lunatic Cultist

[mighty knot]

I really don't see why immunity to claps is any more necessary, because nobody would ever use one of those weapons vs lategame bosses

[frozen storm]

Cell minions cant attach to enemies that is immune to Cell debuff iirc

Right?

[hollow shell]

It's because Claps is a blanket non-immunity

[mighty knot]

well that's what celled debuff is

but it looks super weird without them attaching

[hollow shell]

A global counter-resistance

[frozen storm]

But guys

Do every Acid enemes immune to Cursed Inferno?

[radiant meadow]

Yes

[frozen storm]

Wait why

At least Cursed should work

[radiant meadow]

A

[frozen storm]

Cursed inferno says that it will burn everyone even if you are in water

[radiant meadow]

If they get the debuff

[hollow shell]

(It is a bit odd that evolution to make creatures more hardy
apparently tops being a god dragon or the most powerful witch in history, in terms of what you're immune to)

[radiant meadow]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

(We're talkin cool factor then tho)

[frozen storm]

Wait why Toothball and Sulphuric Sharkrons are immune to Kami Flu?

They are The Old Duke's minions, isnt it?

[cobalt pewter]

Tooth Balls are invincible

Iirc

[frozen storm]

Not when he is idle

After some time when he travels he stops a d becone vulnerable

Has 10k hp

[earnest cape]

only invincible till he does his next attack after summoning them

if that even made sense

[cobalt pewter]

Ah

[gray nebula]

awesome sugg where theres not even any reasoning about the emote itself apart from "hurrr reference"

[cobalt pewter]

[heady storm]

Would the name literally just be "Sundowner."

[mint orchid]

memedowner

[heady storm]

Alright then.

[earnest cape]

downersmirk

[crude geode]

All emotes in general

[tawny garden]

no need for any reasons in an emote sugg

[cobalt pewter]

imagine reasons

cringe!

[gray nebula]

yeah

[tawny garden]

yeah bad!

[gray nebula]

but here its not that theres no reason

its that the reason provided isnt about the emote itself but haha funny reference

[tawny garden]

problem is that I don't see why it would be used

[ashen warren]

seems like a trash emote tbh

a bit similar to smug emotes too though

[tribal verge]

Bruh your gonna suggest a sundowner emote and not call it "fucking invisable" smh

[viscid kite]

perhaps an item that makes it dusk?

[tawny garden]

[[Moonlight]], [[Cosmolight]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Moonlight
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Cosmolight

[viscid kite]

oh

[fossil finch]

luxors working with yoyos making every yoyo fucking terrarian
pog

[hot zephyr]

emote sugg :(

[cobalt pewter]

having nitro feels powerful

makes me give no shit about these emotes at times

[earnest cape]

Feedza needs to be cut down

[cobalt pewter]

no

[sharp prism]

yes

[ashen warren]

emote sugg, memedowner

[unreal viper]

With emote Suggs, that most important question is: does it provide something our current emotes don’t already cover?

Considering this emote seems to be of the smug variety, I do not think so.

[tawny garden]

is it of the smug variety?

[eternal escarp]

looks more of a "Ha, i pity you" in my eyes

[pine star]

same

[tawny garden]

it conveys this meaning to me: "aeeeeeee, I'm an idiot"

[pine star]

[eternal escarp]

in that case,

[pine star]

That said, should I re suggest to yeet ectoblood?

[eternal escarp]

too early i think

[tawny garden]

I think it's already on its deathbed

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[pine star]

good

[eternal escarp]

murdering the bloat, one item at a time

[pine star]

slowly but surely

[ashen warren]

its smug from what I see

[tawny garden]

fuck why does it look so awful

I hate it

[tribal verge]

Like boohoo had a ironic feeling we didn't have already but this sundowner emote looks like so many emotes that already exsit

[pine star]

boohoo actually showed a unique feeling(ironic sadness)

This emote does not

[tribal verge]

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

tbh these two can also be interpreted as ironic sadness, just not to the same degree

[cobalt pewter]

Those 2 are kinda

lame

iirc

[tawny garden]

only 45 degrees

[tribal verge]

Those feel a bit more serious

Boohoo is straight just ironic sadness

[tawny garden]

I used seriously

[ashen warren]

Boohoo is super ironic

that's why its there for me

[tribal verge]

Ye

[pine star]

yeah

[unreal viper]

is good for when you’re sad

just sucks

[pine star]

Here's my ideas of the sad emotes:
is actual sadness
is partially ironic sadness
is sadness that you did not nohit DoG
is extremely ironic sadness

[tawny garden]

sadness that you did not nohit DoG
lol

[pine star]

It's a DoG emote

So I had to say that

[tribal verge]

Dogcri also kinda works for ironic situations but no where near as well as boohoo

[pine star]

yeah

[swift wharf]

Dogcri is just cal version of an emote

[pine star]

So DoGcri works the best for sadness that you did not nohit DoG

[swift wharf]

and for example

[hot zephyr]

DoGcri is just a blue cat

[pine star]

apparently ThomasthePencil likes wedragud better than wegud

[tawny garden]

sucks

change my mind

sips tea

[pine star]

this is one of Thomas' quirks

Personally, I find Calwheeze and YharonPat to be the best Cal emotes

[hot zephyr]

is good though. As good as wegud? Probably not, though.

[pine star]

byeah

[eternal escarp]

this isnt a moment tbh

[pine star]

but thomas is weird

[hot zephyr]

[pine star]

Don't ask why Thomas likes wedragud more than wegud

[sleek turret]

another smug emote, i guess?

[pine star]

byeah

And not an especially good one

[tribal verge]

Yeah it's not great

It'd basically just but sundowner

[dapper coral]

just coming in here to say that i love wedragud way more than wegud, Demik out

[sharp prism]

[eternal escarp]

tbh theres some emotes ive never really seen being able to be used

[pine star]

[pine star]

An example would be pensiveDoGcowboy

PensiveCore is far superior

[eternal escarp]

yeah what is this

[sharp prism]

[eternal escarp]

its so specific

[tawny garden]

Rover used it once

[pine star]

When?

[tawny garden]

in #wiki-basic

[sharp prism]

a DoG cowboy thats pensive

[tawny garden]

which you can't see

[tribal verge]

I fucking hate this emote

It's not usable in a single conversation and is ugly

[ashen warren]

Mmm dogpensive is funny

I wont say it's trash

[tawny garden]

what is this

what does this mean

and what do these mean

and this

[tribal verge]

Why is there 2 of those

[tawny garden]

and this

[pine star]

That is AEUGH

[tribal verge]

They are literally the same exact thing but one has color

[tribal verge]

No that one is beautiful

[pine star]

Also the girl in the picture is SW but a girl

[robust lava]

is good. How dare you

[pine star]

Don't ask why

[tawny garden]

is good, don't get me wrong

I just don't understand what it means

[tribal verge]

Funny frago joke

[tawny garden]

apart from it being Fargo

I thought is Cirrus

[tribal verge]

I thought it was cirno

[cobalt pewter]

this is the leviathan variant of aeugh pufferfish meme

[weak field]

SW?

[tawny garden]

ah

in any case, nobody uses it

[robust lava]

Has anyone ever suggested an emote's removal?

[ashen warren]

Do we even need the more emote considering we have smug-ish emotes already? 🤔

I don't think so mayo

[eternal escarp]

well, should we be the first to?

[cobalt pewter]

@frail mantle does have the stats doe

[tawny garden]

not on my memory

I think no

[distant gyro]

no because we have emote slots

[robust lava]

I suppose it only makes sense to do that if the server is approaching it's emote limit

[tribal verge]

Ye

[tawny garden]

at least not in the last 4.5K suggs

[robust lava]

Which it isn't

[distant gyro]

[tribal verge]

There still a shitton

[pine star]

Storm Weaver

[weak field]

Oh

[viscid kite]

lmfao you can use grand dad to knock back wyverns

[weak field]

I suddenly don't want to use these two emotes anymore

[tawny garden]

the worst emote of all is obviously, undeniably:

[ashen warren]

Though yeah, I personally think that we don’t need Memedowner

[weak field]

Death

[ashen warren]

[tribal verge]

Yes

Kill it now

[sleek turret]

let me check Ian's sticker sugg

uhh

[tawny garden]

121 stars iirc

[sharp prism]

omw to get 19 alts

[tribal verge]

It's basically just but sundowner at the end of the day

[tawny garden]

I will kill you if you do

[ashen warren]

And is already good

[tribal verge]

Ye

[sharp prism]

i hate stickers

[tribal verge]

Same

[tawny garden]

so do I

but

fairness is above it

[sharp prism]

true

[marble hazel]

Dont ban stickers

Get real

[sturdy geyser]

promote stickers imo

[marble hazel]

:)))

[tawny garden]

you're both no longer welcome here

[frail mantle]

E

[tawny garden]

:(((

[frail mantle]

I would post the funny emote stats doc but am not on pc at the moment

[marble hazel]

When was I ever

[frail mantle]

Just search messages from me that have links or something @cobalt pewter

[tawny garden]

before you said that

[cobalt pewter]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zM5nV_GSxN5AVoczf1YoSnd9XGUW3GGSDclIb2xD_7I/edit?usp=sharing

[marble hazel]

Nuh uh

[frail mantle]

eah

[tawny garden]

is this gonna be updated

[hot zephyr]

Emote tier list:
S:
F: everything else

[frail mantle]

If I bother yes

I might update it later today

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[tribal verge]

True

[sharp prism]

tier list
SS:
S:

[ashen warren]

[hot zephyr]

[sharp prism]

thats scary

:fear:

[pine star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/794820255309627412.png?v=1

[ashen warren]

is trash too

[marble hazel]

Misi's version is scarier

[tawny garden]

tier list
ASS:
SS:
S:

[radiant meadow]

that doesn't reach Associated Server Staff level

you're objectively wrong

[ashen warren]

Ok ben

[hot zephyr]

i require ASS role

[marble hazel]

Im surprised people actually use amidiaspog

[tawny garden]

you're not getting it

[marble hazel]

Then again i use amidiaspog to intentionally tick off others

[hot zephyr]

Because we didn't have until very recently

[ashen warren]

[cobalt pewter]

Out of context momentum

[sharp prism]

[marble hazel]

Isnt amidiaspog newer though?

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

Way to crush my dreams

[tawny garden]

older

[ashen warren]

Amidias pog kinda old

[hot zephyr]

pogu is like.. half a month old

[tawny garden]

no

it's new

[ashen warren]

Thanks lemon zest

[distant gyro]

god the old unused emotes

[tawny garden]

just that is newer

[distant gyro]

[marble hazel]

Amidiaspog came at like nov

[hot zephyr]

add DoGbyeah

[cobalt pewter]

The way we look at time goes haywire with 2020 shenanigans

[ashen warren]

December tiki

[marble hazel]

Ech

[ashen warren]

iirc it’s December

[crystal iron]

are all somewhat similar to the emote anyway

[frozen hornet]

is almost identical

[tawny garden]

it's not a nono

[eternal escarp]

golem temple be like

someone telling philo to read the doc? that cant end good

[tawny garden]

show me where that is

[eternal escarp]

only thing is this

[tawny garden]

I'm curious to what I've missed

[eternal escarp]

which uh

should be removed

someone ping someone with access to the doc to fix that tbh

theres nothing else afai can see

[tawny garden]

yeah, it's no longer frequently sugged

[eternal escarp]

also isnt this Tyrrany's end?

[tawny garden]

damnit I need a color so that people take me seriously

[eternal escarp]

where is the nono part?

thats a note

its not saying not to, just saying its annoying

thats what i understand there

[tawny garden]

the dungeon as a whole is not hardcoded vanilla worldgen

[eternal escarp]

you guys are typing for so long im afraid to get knowledge blasted

[tawny garden]

point is, they have been able to change temple gen, so this is possible as well

[eternal escarp]

no point?

[tawny garden]

I don't know what to type so i kinda delete what I said and start again

[eternal escarp]

god i feel this

[tawny garden]

an inconvenience is completely shifting the dungeon

[eternal escarp]

i mean, i think making the bosses in the dungeon not take an annoying amount of time to be fought is a good enough reason tbh

and yeah

[tawny garden]

or changing the direction of corridors 'n such

these are hardcoded

[robust lava]

Then they can deny it

[eternal escarp]

^

smart sentence

[robust lava]

If it gets enough votes, that is

[tawny garden]

(also, frequently suggested stuff is not rulebreaking)

[eternal escarp]

because people want it to come to the devs attention?

maybe they agree?

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

thats the point of suggesting, isnt it

they dont have to agree and accept it

(unless philo is holding them at gunpoint)

[tawny garden]

I can't hold any dev at gunpoint

[sharp prism]

you'll just make a worse cataclysm

Catastrophe(Cataclysm(Calamity Addon)Addon)

[pine star]

[ashen warren]

I just thought of this idea, what if we could have biome platforms to make arenas without having to worry about straying too far from the biome itself or having to go through the hassle of placing and actuating biome blocks

[eternal escarp]

fargo mutant mod has what you are looking for

its also compatible with the sulphoric fountain and astral afaik

[frail mantle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zM5nV_GSxN5AVoczf1YoSnd9XGUW3GGSDclIb2xD_7I/edit

i crave death

updated to include the new emotes that have been added since november+updated the use count for every single emote in the doc. feel free to yell at me if i forgot any

[summer sentinel]

good lord this is insanely powerful, I don't remember this even being a thing

[frail mantle]

the emote doc?

i made this a month and a half ago because i was bored and felt like procrastinating on my schoolwork

[summer sentinel]

Yeah like I'm just, surprised lmao

[glossy stone]

Small thing, would it be possible to change the sound effect of the Genisis ?
After a while, it really starts to drill in your ears...

[dapper coral]

could just ask to lower the volume, i guess

or lower it on your own device

[glossy stone]

Do you mean like, lower the volume of the sound effects ?
That's what I do already, but wouldn't it be better to just change it altogether ?

[summer sentinel]

does it happen with alpha ray too I'm guessing?

[glossy stone]

It does

[hollow shell]

You could suggest it get changed and/or reduced, sure

[glossy stone]

And like, it's not a HUGE deal, I do get that some things are more important, but it would be very nice indeed

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's fine dw, suggestions can vary greatly in scale and importance

[glossy stone]

Alrighty then

[dapper coral]

yea that's basically what i was talkin about, but absolutely feel free to sugg it

[frail mantle]

the smaller scale ones are more likely to be implemented anyway

[tawny garden]

most suggs are usually minor-ish

[glossy stone]

Uh... well that's understandable

[tawny garden]

when was added?

huh, you can search by emote id

@frail mantle
was used 7502 times (id: 644332300418678785)
was used 1909 times (id: 241285906525454336)
was used 18828 times (id: 636958034748375042)
etc.
your numbers are gonna be bigger obviously

[hot zephyr]

Now find

[tawny garden]

106 times

(id: 791869096962555934)

[worthy lintel]

[radiant meadow]

searching by emote ID is probably the most accurate

e.g. https://gyazo.com/e224a154318258ef5f0b6c1d85c63276 (including 1 deleted message)

[frail mantle]

shit

well

[tawny garden]

to get the emote id, right click on the emote → open link → you're gonna get transported into your browser of choosing, and the link will be like this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/id.png?v=1

[frail mantle]

guess i gotta redo the whole doc now

[tawny garden]

thing is, you can't get the id easier I think

[frail mantle]

death

[tawny garden]

!HDfailure

ah, also like that ↑

[frail mantle]

probably just gonna do the N/A ones with the id method

[tawny garden]

\

[robust lava]

has 69k

[tawny garden]

71825 for me

more for others

[robust lava]

Maybe from wiki-basic?

[radiant meadow]

76556, you're both wrong

[robust lava]

It will vary depending on what channels you have access to, right?

[tawny garden]

mhm

yeah

[frail mantle]

yes

[tawny garden]

:fear:

can't easily get the id of something which I don't have access to

[radiant meadow]

just find someone who posted the emote then right click for the URL to snag the ID

[frail mantle]

updated the emote doc with the counts of the previously N/A ones

[tawny garden]

can't find gasm in the doc

oh wait

it was renamed to "nice"

[frail mantle]

yes

[tawny garden]

why

[frail mantle]

i don't know, ask the mods that voted on it when it was renamed

[radiant meadow]

That would work

[tawny garden]

don't think a removal is going to occur

[radiant meadow]

if there was a vote

[tawny garden]

[summer sentinel]

Time to put up a vote to remove Philo

[radiant meadow]

I don't know why the emote name was changed because I don't think it was ever discussed to my knowledge.

[summer sentinel]

I think the potential inappropriate implication means it was changed but idr it being talked either

[radiant meadow]

I mean I kinda get that but it would be nice if you know

[hot zephyr]

⭐

[radiant meadow]

I could actually find actual discussion about it when searching back

[tawny garden]

Philo emote time

[hollow shell]

This is a very fair suggestion

Pitbulls could use some purpose

[summer sentinel]

emote: your face
name: hackerman

[hazy bluff]

thanks rover

[sharp prism]

anyways

[hot zephyr]

[tawny garden]

HOLY SHIT

[proper grail]

We need an "in conclusion" emote for Feedzuh

[tawny garden]

didn't expect to see this as I return

[gaunt quest]

Why do pit bulls even exist in calamity anyway lol

They are kinda a weird enemy

[pine star]

They are probably an artifact

Like Calclone being an eye

[gaunt quest]

Artifact what

[pine star]

An artifact of older times

[tawny garden]

lol the wiki page is literally one paragraph long

cause it doesn't do anything

and yeah it was added at least 3.5 years ago

hardly changed since

[gaunt quest]

Delete the pit bull

[hollow shell]

Its original sprite

is shared with a Spirit Mod enemy
https://spiritmod.gamepedia.com/Flesh_Hound

(which ironically(?) has more unique behavior than our's)

[tawny garden]

yrrghjkiulkhjc /;lkjhgdxju

if you're stealing something, at least make it better

[hollow shell]

Well I assume Yuyu made that sprite, as they were involved in both Calamity and Spirit's development

and, they both used it

Spirit just used it better

[tawny garden]

ah

[frail mantle]

I remember there was some drama about people thinking Calamity stole the sprite from Spirit or vice versa when the e original spriter actually just gave both mods permission to use it yeah

[hollow shell]

Doesn't matter now cuz we got our own sprite

[tawny garden]

it's still just a Pre-Hardmode Unicorn dog tho

[radiant meadow]

uhh it looks like the same behavior

I don't see how the spirit one is "more unique"

Calamity's AI is based off of the Unicorn AI with slight modifications which boils down to "charge at the player, at accelerating speeds, to deal contact damage"
Not to mention the Flesh Hound is stated to use vanilla Unicorn AI in the infobox

[hollow shell]

Have you seen how Flesh Hound acts in-game, Ben?

[radiant meadow]

No, I'm reading off of the wiki.

you know, the page you linked

[hollow shell]

It has a dash attack, with afterimages and a sound effect

Spirit Wiki is just weak

[radiant meadow]

although if you really want to know, the last time I played Spirit was ~3 years ago

[hollow shell]

mm, I do recommend checking out the new one

They released another big update a few days ago

so

it's a good time to do so

[radiant meadow]

I just expected the wiki to like not be outdated

[hollow shell]

It's probably the most fun I've had with Terraria in a while

Yeah pretty much any mod wiki that isn't Calamity or Thorium is bound to be slow and outdated

[radiant meadow]

but I guess that is a lot to ask for most mod wikis

[tawny garden]

what do you expect
vanilla's guides are still outdated

[radiant meadow]

I expected the linked page to not give outdated information.

[hollow shell]

Well nobody needs help playing vanilla anymore

[tawny garden]

that's true

[hollow shell]

(but yeah some vanilla wiki pages have 1.0 and 1.1 screenshots)

(wacky)

[tawny garden]

I could update the guides, but I don't play the game myself

[summer sentinel]

Side remark: calamity wiki is more update to date than vanillas is even

[tawny garden]

I just decompile

[hollow shell]

Eh, arguably

[summer sentinel]

Decompiling is stinky though philo and Ben will destroy u

[radiant meadow]

he means decompiling vanilla

[hot zephyr]

[hollow shell]

aight anyway

in conclusion: Fuck Pitbull

[tawny garden]

same is true for Cal tho

[hollow shell]

motherfuckin mid-2000s white pop rapper lookin ass

[summer sentinel]

that’s what I was getting at for the cal one

[radiant meadow]

(yeah but I'll destroy you for Cal, not vanilla)

[summer sentinel]

GOD rover lmao

[hot zephyr]

We killing two pitbulls with one hammer?

[viscid kite]

ok so

weapons that have a rogue and melee variant

perhaps you can craft one with the other?

[tawny garden]

not in the next update

#changelogs message

[river glen]

what about to make most true melee weapons from vanilla

either larger

damage + speed

because they suck

no true melee wepaon

in vanilla is viable

in even vanilla of all things

[robust lava]

Question is: would that be within the scope of Calamity?

[river glen]

well

considering they do buff unviabl weapons

like terrarian

or other weapons like pearlwood

it would make sense

to give other weapons especially true melee

something at all

[frail mantle]

calamity does already buff some shitty vanilla true melee weapons iirc

[robust lava]

but all vanilla broadswords?

[river glen]

ore swords

are all bad

and outclassed by early game calam

[robust lava]

idk, guess it could be changed

[river glen]

then u have excalibur

gungir

and other stuff

which are unviable

due to their short range

and inibility do antyhing

[robust lava]

but like, ore swords are meant to be bad to encourage you to go get the rarer stuff that's better

[river glen]

they are ores

they are hard to get

[robust lava]

debatable

[river glen]

they shouldnt be shit

and unusable

its just like saying

here

dev wings, they are borderline unviable

and outclassed

by harpy wings

pixie wings

because they are easier to obtain

[robust lava]

imo that's more down to the boss designs being unfavourable for true melee than the weapons

[river glen]

bruh

buff these weapons then

give them soemthing that they can have

what does nights edge have going for it

its outclassed so hard

by any sword

i do not find any scenario where i would use a true melee

vanilla weapon

over a prjectile firing one

[robust lava]

tbf I just dislike true melee as a concept, so I'm not the best person to discuss this with cause I'll be overly biased

[river glen]

i am so biased towards vanilla weapos

cuz i want them

to have a nich

niche

even if its such a small oe

one

I want them to be usable

I want them to be something that shouldnt be ignored

cool weapons like ice sickle and death sickle are outclassed which is sad to se

[robust lava]

There's always going to be a worst weapon at each tier, and the ore swords just take that title in the early game

[hollow shell]

I can see why they should be buffed

in the case that they're the worst weapons

I'm pretty sure we can increase their size

[robust lava]

my question now is: does that solve anything?

[hollow shell]

It lets you hit stuff with them easier

[robust lava]

I don't see that making them meaningfully better

[hollow shell]

They are smol
no range
Getting up close is risky
so, make it so you don't gotta get as close

Of course damage buffs would also help

[crude geode]

I mean like, I don’t really see the purpose of the ore weapons in general. After all, if you’re really gonna make something out of them, it’s gonna be platinum or gold. You’re not gonna really make weapons out of mythril or palladium, you’re gonna make them out of titanium or adamantite.

[river glen]

especially stuff

like hardmode ore weapons

sword

spear

hallowed shit

[crude geode]

It’s a bit difficult not to get outclassed

Fundamentally, as soon as you defeat any boss in hardmode, that gear is outclassed.

Same happens with pre-hm ore weapons. As soon as you defeat DS or even some Wulfrum enemies, that gear is outclassed by Victide/Wulfrum

[pine star]

iirc Platinum weapons are equal to Wulfrum ones

But still, I imagine killing wulfrum enemies probably takes less time than mining for platinum

[crude geode]

Lot less effort too

Plus if you’re mage...good luck getting diamonds

[pine star]

yeah

[river glen]

i can just go fising

with my unlimited rods

[echo cloud]

Just mine for silt and slush smh

Ez

[crude geode]

you could also just...get a wulfrum staff for much less effort

[tawny garden]

#help-advice-read-pins

[haughty spear]

Oh ok

[dapper blaze]

weak

didn't realize philo was such a pussy

[tawny garden]

I know that i'm weak

[dapper blaze]

no stinky

you are extremely buff

man up and grab dom by the neck

[tawny garden]

why Dom

[dapper blaze]

he's the weakest of them all

take him out first

[hot zephyr]

what's the topic

[dapper blaze]

how to overthrow calamity

[hot zephyr]

already did.

[unreal viper]

suggestors ovethrow mods and become devs

removed materials - done

[hot zephyr]

oh SHIT it's Fab with a steel chair!

[ashen warren]

Anyone read the suggestion

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[tawny garden]

it's gud I think

[hollow shell]

(prompted me to check out the source files, and I discovered stuff not documented on the wiki. It's updated now)

They rotate faster and get more i-frames after the progression milestones, on top of damage increases.

I feel like their fine in concept to protect you, not to act as an offensive minion

[ashen warren]

Yeah I can understand that but in my opinion summoner is weak early game and this will help out with that, and maybe even be a strong pre hm contender

Instead of being an accessory that's only does good damage late in the game, where it's effectiveness is mimimized

[cobalt pewter]

My only pet peeve with the acc is that the dmg scaling is kinda weird

But probably that's a given

It's not as versatile as say, Fungal Symbiote shrooms

[hollow shell]

I mean, I feel like it'd be most helpful early game

considering that's when everybody's dealing with enemies getting too close to them

lack of mobility and such

[ashen warren]

You don't have much defense in the early game, and deathmode bosses just roll and smoke you even with above avg defense

[hollow shell]

I mean

Gladiator's Locket has defense

[ashen warren]

5

[ashen warren]

That's -3 damage

[hollow shell]

s'better than Warding

I mean you can also get Warding on it for 9

[ashen warren]

Yeah that's something

[radiant meadow]

Perhaps having them swords hit stuff should reward the player with more defensive buffs

[ashen warren]

Yeah that could work, but then it starts benefiting close range melee playing instead of summon play, which is what I think it was intended to be

[hollow shell]

Hm

[radiant meadow]

well

they don't do summon damage

[cobalt pewter]

They do get boosted by summon dmg bonuses tho

So there's that

[radiant meadow]

they get boosted by the average of your damage bonuses

so

[cobalt pewter]

h

[radiant meadow]

melee damage boosts them too

[cobalt pewter]

Which one uses summon then

[hollow shell]

Nah, Ben

Look at the proj source

[cobalt pewter]

[ashen warren]

No it's summon damage I think

[hollow shell]

It does some funky stuff I'm trying to wrap my head around

I think it takes either your average damage or your summon damage, but I don't know how??

[radiant meadow]

no it just uses average damage

the other things are just globalproj variables used for flexible damage

which you see on most summons

[cobalt pewter]

Wiki being outdated momentum?

[radiant meadow]

they used to be boosted by minion damage bonuses but I changed it since they

didn't do minion damage

[hollow shell]

Okay cool

I'll change the page

[cobalt pewter]

Alright

[ashen warren]

OhhhH

Well then my suggestion does not make sense anymore

One thing I can maybe think of is that the size should be larger as it progresses

[radiant meadow]

I mean, it could still stand to be reworked or buffed, but the reasoning would have to be adjusted

[ashen warren]

I have a good sugg I'm going to work on to post tmrw actually

Not related to the locket but I gotta think about it and make the idea good

[mighty knot]

I like the gladiator's locked

idk what you mean when you say it's close range despite being a summon weapon, summon weapons have a variety of ranges (see: igneous exaltation, and literally whips)

[hollow shell]

(tbf both of those have a lot more range than Glad does)

[proper grail]

Whips, flails but summoner weapons for some indeterminate reason

I'm tempted to suggest not adding any whips when TML 1.4 comes around

[hollow shell]

some random guy's screenshot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/703646222568783913/unknown.png

igneous

[radiant meadow]

Igneous also has the like

shooting thing

[hollow shell]

yeah igneous does shoot too

[whole sedge]

yeah isn't glad locket just a bit smaller than a tesla potion?

[heady storm]

@knotty moat please format your suggestion properly as a headstart.

[knotty moat]

sorry lemme fix that

[heady storm]

You can take reference from earlier posts.

[hollow shell]

Yeah you gotta have a topic line with a separate reason
(use Shift+Enter)

[hot zephyr]

(Isn't EoW dropping it's rewards kinda.... terrible?)

[knotty moat]

wym

[proper grail]

All Scal drops are currently dedicated content

[hot zephyr]

It rewards you for dying

[knotty moat]

thats why its not a scal drop

[hot zephyr]

You can throw yourself at the boss, die spectacularly and still get a reward

[knotty moat]

more specifically it would be a (i completely forget rhe brothers names) drop

so its not the best example, but still

[proper grail]

Cataclysm and Catastrophe

[knotty moat]

thsnk you

[mint orchid]

@knotty moat Don't want to be rude but that will probably be rejected.

[knotty moat]

cataclysm and catastrophe drop that rogue weapon, and the 2 flamethrowers

[proper grail]

I agree

[hollow shell]

Yeah iunno about this sugg
I think it's valid but I don't think it has great chances

[whole sedge]

Yeah uh frankly to me this seems like a not that good idea mainly because to me you should only be rewarded for making it to the end of a fight

[knotty moat]

ngl its just something that hit me rn

well cataclysm and catastrophe are more of halfway through fight minibosses

[proper grail]

"mini" boss

[hot zephyr]

"annoyance"*

[heady storm]

It's valid in the end yeah.

[hot zephyr]

It's valid, yeah, but I don't see it going far

[cobalt pewter]

Save for Vehemence

Which is intended to be her signature drop

[hot zephyr]

You could say

It's dedicated to her

[heady storm]

If the public thinks it is cool they can star it; if the devs think it is cool they can approve it.

[knotty moat]

i dont get why they dont have any drops tho

[heady storm]

It is well rounded ultimately.

[cobalt pewter]

Kinda smort

[knotty moat]

like not even some lesser healing pots or smth as a fuck-you

[hot zephyr]

that'd just clog up your inventory

[knotty moat]

its just "you killed them now heres the next phase"

while in the calclone fight its that but with a chance of a flamethrower thats needed for an upgrade or another upgradeable rogue weap

[hot zephyr]

There's many occasions where the minibosses don't drop anything

[knotty moat]

yes but it feels more consistent

[hot zephyr]

It'd probably be better to remove the midfight drops from other things

[knotty moat]

i like the brimflamethrower as a midfight drop ratger than a cal drop

[hollow shell]

Well cuz the brothers play a much more prominent role in the Clone fight than in SCal's fight

In SCal they're just one of many phases
Sepulcher is more prominent in SCal's fight than her brothers are

[knotty moat]

even if they dropped just a higher damage version it would still be a nice callback to all of the grinding some of us had to do lmao

[earnest cape]

How so?am i missing something with her lore

[hollow shell]

What

[hot zephyr]

Gameplay wise the Sepulcher is a bigger threat

[hollow shell]

I just meant in terms of how much of the fight they take up

[hot zephyr]

And appears more than once

[earnest cape]

Oh

Ah

So thats what you meant

Got confused

[knotty moat]

yeah but youre not meant to kill sepulcher

youre meant to kill the heart thingies

[hollow shell]

Still dies when you kill the hearts tho

What I'm getting at is

the brothers drop stuff in the Clone fight because they're pretty much the main feature of the Clone fight

[knotty moat]

makes sense

[hollow shell]

The brothers do not play an equally important part in SCal's fight

[whole sedge]

they kinda play the smallest part in scals fight really

[hollow shell]

Nah I'd argue the Soul Seekers are smaller

[cobalt pewter]

I'd kill to trade Brimstone Monsters with the brothers

[hot zephyr]

make them spin

[hollow shell]

What if
SCal's fight, with no monsters
but there are 5 Brothers that persist until the end of the fight

This sounds worse

[hot zephyr]

Still preferrable

It's been a hot minute since I've fought scal but those dirty bubbles loved to bounce >:(

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah dirty bubble bad

Having supreme version of brothers actually helping scal is epic

The monsters are just

Outta nowhere

[crude geode]

Brimstone Monsters make no sense, both thematically to SCal as they’re just...spooky brimstone heads? And they also ruin the slow, methodical pace of the fight by forcing you to move at a thousand miles per hour

[hollow shell]

I mean

I would argue that has some merit

[hot zephyr]

I like em, tbh.

[crude geode]

I would argue it doesn’t, as the screen isn’t big enough to show what’s coming.

[hot zephyr]

I just don't like their tendency to bounce

[crude geode]

Plus brimstone monsters are the same color as bullets and projectiles which makes it much harder to see things coming at you

[cobalt pewter]

"oh, the path in front of you has too much bullets? Well fuck you, go ahead because there are dirty bubbles chasing you at Mach 5."

[crude geode]

^^^^

[hot zephyr]

I just think they're neat

[hollow shell]

Could be neat if the monsters were a DoT field instead of a contact projectile
as iirc has been brought up before

[cobalt pewter]

That'd be more forgiving than what we have now ig

[crude geode]

Brimstone Monsters are like 75% of the extra difficulty in Death Mode due to smaller arena size, which is really dumb
I just really dislike Brimstone Monsters because they’re very unforgiving, and like...don’t make thematic sense to me?

[hot zephyr]

I mean

I don't understand what's not on theme with them

[whole sedge]

kinda agree with cursed as they always felt... off to me
the fight kind of rewards for going slow and thinking stuff through up until whenever they spawn and then it kind of just throws you into the fast lane while still having to deal with all the slow stuff which was not too fun for me the first time i fought scal

[hollow shell]

Ted Cruz back with a new embarrassed dragon pfp

I don't think a change in the fight's pace is inherently a bad thing

[proper grail]

Hell yeah

[crude geode]

Same, but with the way Brimstone Monsters are currently, it’s way too sudden and fast. It’s not like one spawns after each bullet hell, or it slowly builds up, it’s just boom, 5 brimstone monsters moving at Mach 5

[hollow shell]

(Lower modes have less monsters)

[golden narwhal]

everyone going to play normal mode after finding out there are no moons

[whole sedge]

my questionable choices in dragon profile pictures has been noticed time to disappear for a month
I can agree though, really if they kind of "rampted up" on every difficult with every bullet hell/phase/whatever would be nifty

[cobalt pewter]

If we wanna go ballsy, 1 Monster after each BH

Or before

[crude geode]

Tbh, my ADD leads to me disliking the extra thing to focus on in an already focus intensive fight, but I do think that current Brimstone Monsters basically force you to roll the dice on what you get hit by, especially in the final bullet hell with the brimblasts.

You cannot focus on everything in that bullet hell in addition to having to move at a much higher pace.

I also am iffy on the changing up of the pace thing. It’d be fine if it was more prevelant, but it’s really only this fight that does this much of a 180, meaning it’s much harder to actually predict or adapt to.

[hollow shell]

Oh, hey

#suggestions-voting message

You could repost this

[crude geode]

Indeed

[hollow shell]

Oh, hey

#suggestions-voting message

Feedzuh could repost this

[cobalt pewter]

My baby boy is getting his own emotes

Gaming

[crude geode]

I did have an idea of how the new method for forcing players to move could work

not sure if I should put it in

[serene fox]

I agree with this suggestion

just a little

[cobalt pewter]

This is a funne repost

Where the joke isn't nearly as relevant compared to the time I posted this first time

[serene fox]

funne repost that I told you to write

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

Wondering if edits are required to ensure a fat 200

[ashen warren]

tbf the whole "ruins the pace of the fight" part can kind of be applied to other fights as well

like Yharon

you're dashing and running for your life until you have to dodge BHs

[crude geode]

...for those you still have to be moving, and it's less intense than bullet hell time, oh wait for this one now you have to be moving at 500 mph

and there's much more of a cue for those

byech

this would be my replacement for Brimstone Monsters, if I had a choice. The picture represents the scale arena as a whole, split up into four sections (not really shown to the player, although it could be). Would be kinda a rotational thing, where you would be forced to continue moving, or else be burned by Brimstone Flames. There would be a visual cue for areas heating up and about to be burned, and possibly some cool and epic fire effects.

If you wanted, you could do a fire bar effect that rotates around the arena ala super mario

[ashen warren]

may lag the game though

[crude geode]

true, and there is always the option of mario style fire bar.

[hollow shell]

I mean, is that much of an improvement over keeping Monsters and just slowing them down?

(I appreciate the ambition tho)

[proper grail]

[cobalt pewter]

[heady storm]

Had to name the emote "god."

[sand umbra]

the fuck

[heady storm]

I like it.

[sand umbra]

why am I being fused with Rover

[cobalt pewter]

Gaming

[proper grail]

[sand umbra]

hasn't even asked me to dance yet smh

[cobalt pewter]

As an avid but disgusted user of mobile, yea.

[proper grail]

I'm in the process of stereotyping all suggestion regulars/server legends and giving them each two emotes

I'm going to possibly suggest some of them

[sand umbra]

in any event
disregarding the fact that Brimstone Monsters imo look really fucking dumb in context
they're essentially glorified DG-type projectiles and fight-design-wise they're not really fascinating at all

something more like what Cursed mentioned up above would not only give SCal more of an actual reason to have the box she traps you in (as right now it's basically nothing but a box that restricts where you can move, which while successful at making the fight difficult doesn't bring much to the table elsehow), but also be much more fascinating visually and gameplay-wise then just "haha big projectile go brrrr"

[fossil robin]

Here's an idea: Have the blood moon lore item's effect increase Blood Orb drop rates by 10% at a penalty of halved life regen due to your bloodlust.

[worthy lintel]

[heady storm]

You could potentially word that to be less specific.

[fossil robin]

It's alright.

[proper grail]

"Have the blood moon lore increase Blood Orb drop rates at a penalty"

[proper grail]

(yes we all have one lol, I'm working on yours now Chetto)

[heady storm]

Alright then.

[cobalt pewter]

[heady storm]

Also the idea isn't bad at all if that is what y'all are trying to express.

It just needs to be less specific and then it is golden.

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

Idea isn't bad

[fossil robin]

I feel like the blood moon lore item should have an actual reason to be obtained, don't you agree?

[cobalt pewter]

Better blood orb farmin

[proper grail]

Lores in general need more love

[cobalt pewter]

Just needs to be less specific

[proper grail]

And less craziness

[whole sedge]

and overall just being less wack

[worthy lintel]

and not being direct upgrades

haha lunatic cultist lore goes brrr

[proper grail]

Item grab reach needs less duplicates

Direct upgrades are fine there

[worthy lintel]

cryogen lore is way too op lol

[earnest cape]

Yes, yes please stop those hage moons

[worthy lintel]

-10 defense for 1 free acc slot is a complete joke

[earnest cape]

Those hage moons need to die

[proper grail]

Time to write a Google doc completely explaining everything wrong with lore items

[sleek turret]

uhh, Deus made a video about some overlooked lore items.

[proper grail]

Not overlooked

Everything wrong with every lore item

[sleek turret]

lore items tier list

[proper grail]

For example

DS lore is literally free 5 defense

A 2.5% damage reduction isn't even noticeable until you get at least 50 damage

[unreal viper]

AS lore s

Cultist s

[fossil finch]

AS lore more like free stat boosts

[earnest cape]

God I was so unlucky

[worthy lintel]

you can literally evade mechs random spawn by going underground

buyea ik the feeling of getting destroyed in the first night of hardmode

[earnest cape]

fucking

destroyer

just said "hi"

[golden narwhal]

Prolly should say that it's death mode in the heading rather than at the end, since the other natural spawn can be easily avoided

[earnest cape]

sure

done.

[golden narwhal]

[frozen storm]

[earnest cape]

[heady storm]

Another quiver suggestion.

[earnest cape]

"another" wot

gimme a link

[frozen storm]

My goddamn pc is lagging so hard that Yharon + ElemQuiver gets my FPS to 30

[heady storm]

There's too many Misfortune.

[eternal escarp]

i think this is like

[frozen storm]

Yes

[earnest cape]

[eternal escarp]

the 4th?

[frozen storm]

Just add this thing

[earnest cape]

has any of them gone through

to the dev server

[frozen storm]

I have a feeling that, everytime projectile travels, it just calculate - "Should i split or not?"

And it happens like every tick

[earnest cape]

I think the time when it splits is set

so its not just random

[frozen storm]

No

[earnest cape]

huh

[frozen storm]

It is random

[hot zephyr]

It'd probably be easier to have an entirely different accessory if they were going down that road.

But tbh if Ele Quiver is making you lag, it's the least of your concerns

[earnest cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frozen storm]

Or reworking splitting mechanic to timer set

Like every 1s it will split

[earnest cape]

it is

[frozen storm]

No

It is random

[earnest cape]

I'll give you a video

[frozen storm]

I saw how projectile just splitted twice

Maybe pastacode?

Nah, i dont think so

[hot zephyr]

I'm just pretty sure your PC can't handle the increased projectiles

[frozen storm]

What, im just shooting Skullsmasher

[earnest cape]

video

upload

please

[frozen storm]

Me?

[earnest cape]

no im uploading a video

2/3

[hot zephyr]

Honestly? If Ele Quiver is lagging you too much, just equip a sniper scope instead

[earnest cape]

almost

[hot zephyr]

They're pretty similar, really

[earnest cape]

god finally

[frozen storm]

But they dont have Magic Quiver

[earnest cape]

sniper scope is literally free damage

[summer sentinel]

I think I've seen this quiver sugg before but it's justified tbh

[eternal escarp]

i mean, just get an artemis / magic quiver aswell tbh

it is justified yeah

but like

theres way bigger stuff that can lag a potato pc tbh

[frozen storm]

Halibut Cannon

[eternal escarp]

i mean, an option is great ,byeah

[frozen storm]

Just ElemQuiver has really good stats

[hot zephyr]

Either the wiki is wrong or Ele Quiver isn't timed, but chance based

[earnest cape]

huh

can anyone else test this?

ill go through the config and see if it's something to do with it

can't seem to find anything about the EleQuiver

[hollow shell]

I'll try and find something

[earnest cape]

[hollow shell]

Yep, it's a 60 frame timer
1 second.

[earnest cape]

when did it got changed?

[hollow shell]

Don't know

[earnest cape]

2 updates ago right?

huh

[hollow shell]

(related, Nanotech projs are a 1/2 second timer)

[earnest cape]

oh really? thats interesting

[marble hazel]

I like this quiv sugg :)

[earnest cape]

163 stars on my other sug

i wonder if it'll also end at ~180

[distant gyro]

timers are good and bad at the same time performance wise

suppose you have 300 projectiles and your pc can handle it, then all of the sudden that number goes to 900, your pc can absolutely combust or have a massive lag spike

random splits won't stop the lag but it will spread the lag spikes across in a random manner

tl;dr splitting is just bad

[crude geode]

ty altix very cool

[earnest cape]

Very cool and very good

[crude geode]

there, brimstone monster rework posted

[earnest cape]

what is this the fifth one?

The "areas" looks like a pain to deal with when giga hellblasts

Cant say for sure tho

[crude geode]

vaguely, it's a repost of the one I want which is killing the moons entirely in favor of something that doesn't hide bullets as much.

it's something I whipped up in like 10 minutes, it's just a visual to give an idea of how it would work

Up to the devs how it would actually work

[earnest cape]

Sounds pretty interesting

[crude geode]

yee, I prefer anything over brimstone monsters cuz they're the worst

[earnest cape]

Also a chunky sugg i wonder if peoppe are gonna actually read it through

[crude geode]

only people who exist in suggestion discussions actually read through suggs, but the success of philo’s rage sugg gives me hope

[earnest cape]

"Philo's rage sugg"

[sharp prism]

philo was just anger

[crude geode]

indeed

don't you fucking dare die at 190 late hm rework sugg

[earnest cape]

bet

[crude geode]

this is it's 3rd time in voting, and the chonkiest time as well

[earnest cape]

~~how did a chonky sugg get 190 stars ~~

[crude geode]

how did philo’s sugg get 250 stars even tho it’s a fuckin thesis

[earnest cape]

how did this get so many fucking stars

Late hm rework at 195 stars

[swift wharf]

omw

nvm i already voted for it

i could make it 194 hmmm

[swift wadi]

new emote sugg

enjoy pain