#suggestions-discussion
earnest cape
earnest cape
no.
earnest cape
crude geode
Nerfs are never popular suggestions. It’s better to just skip it and go straight to asking testers for rebalance, but in this case it’s a bit difficult.
tawny garden
can't do that if you're asking for a nerf beyond just stat decreases
eternal escarp
i mean yeah, cant imagine people trying to defend broken stuff because "its fun"
earnest cape
kirn with vc lesgoooo
eternal escarp
lmao
earnest cape
byeah
weak field
Haha boss dead bow be like
tawny garden
#suggestions-voting message this went to devs somehow, but it wasn't strictly a nerf sugg
more of a tiershift sugg
and that's it since the 20th of April 2020
eternal escarp
people just saw post DoG instead of post yharon ill guess, and they thought "bROkEn SWord EArlY YES"
tawny garden
(which is the bot sugg system rework)
cobalt pewter
The mentality of average modded Terraria player is why a lot of OP SHORTSWORD 1M+ DAMAGE!1!!11!1! mods thrive, but that's another topic
eternal escarp
thats what ill assume tbh
tawny garden
The mentality of average modded Terraria player is why a lot of OP SHORTSWORD 1M...
and an average non-modded player as well
just that they don't get to play with op crap
cobalt pewter
Though they aren't as spoiled yes
They're still bound by Red's Realm™
Broken stuff still exist, but not op shortsword tier broken
eternal escarp
red's realm™️ is now star cloak meta
cobalt pewter
wasn't that nerfed
eternal escarp
no idea but it was funny while it lasted
cobalt pewter
at least Star Cloak effect now only triggers on enemy damage
eternal escarp
~~on a very small another topic, im starting the exo balls agian 😳 ~~
tawny garden
also bees in 1.4.1
pine star
cobalt pewter
Bees being batshit broken has been like that since 1.4
1.4.1 just made it convenient
tawny garden
yeah
eternal escarp
but im really mad at the fact
cobalt pewter
But I think the thing damaging invincible entities should be fixed in 1.4.1.2 iirc
So no more funne bypassing ML core invul
eternal escarp
we can craft bee hives and antlion eggs, but litterly no rock decorations / stalactites / icicles ect
why red, why
gave us the 2 broken options but not the decoratively epic options 
pine star
Andrew Spinks is a strange man
earnest cape
at least we can craft thin ice blocks, the objectively best addition in 1.4
eternal escarp
still not enough imo
i wanted to be able to actually have good decorations, and not hives and eggs which break always when u litterly swing a sword
byeah, off topic now
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
This falls towards "it'd be cool etc" iirc
eternal escarp
i mean
earnest cape
mmmmm
cobalt pewter
Also definitely not priority
eternal escarp
cobalt pewter
Like
earnest cape
"too much work"
tawny garden
mmmmmm
cobalt pewter
Definitely read the doc in pins
tawny garden
Yeah
normal ingot
it's the best i could reason with my bad english lol
fossil finch
is it really too much work, though
eternal escarp
yeah
tawny garden
Your english is pretty good
eternal escarp
pretty sure cutscenes in terraria take a while to code
fossil finch
it's just making the player invisible and dragging it around then returning it to the same spot it was in
eternal escarp
and its just unnecessary work either way
normal ingot
Your english is pretty good
i can't describe feelings so well
cobalt pewter
Mm, regardless, not only it'd derive from the sections that need resources more, but also the reasoning of "it'd be cool yo" doesn't really fly in cal
eternal escarp
it's just making the player invisible and dragging it around then returning it t...
it could be easier said then done, who knows
tawny garden
It shouldn't be so much about feelings
earnest cape
honestly the problems aside it would be really cool when you eventually kill yharim you get terraria style credits
normal ingot
well, i felt pretty good playing EA and having cutscenes, it was a good part of my enjoyment for the mod
fossil finch
unnecesary doesn't mean it won't attract people or make the mod better tbh
normal ingot
yeah
earnest cape
god I hope my sugg gets through this time
normal ingot
my friends finished playing Calamity and i ran up to them and said "YO THIS MOD HAS CUTSCENES AND IT'S SO COOL YOU SHOULD PLAY IT TOO"
earnest cape
jungle seeds 
eternal escarp
unnecesary doesn't mean it won't attract people or make the mod better tbh
its in the rules to not have suggestions without a reason, im not saying this to just let you down
summer sentinel
waht hang on I just woke up
eternal escarp
go back then
normal ingot
good morning
cobalt pewter
Go back to sleep then lauren
eternal escarp
^
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
Also you SHOULD with emphasis read the doc in pins
summer sentinel
I’ll read it when after morning thingz it’s like 8:43 am rn
cobalt pewter
They have quite tight rules for suggs round these parts
violet dagger
Yes I can confirm it is 8:43
tawny garden
Explain why it is cool
fossil finch
thing is, if they are never adding something without an actual application in the mod just cuz it's not "useful", then we are kinda fucked
i do agree it needs a better reason
tawny garden
Not just that it's cool
frail mantle
i feel like cutscenes would be better for when the mod is way more finished than it is in its current state
fossil finch
that ig
normal ingot
well why there should be OST for each Calamity boss then? after all it's just cool, there's no reason to have them, right?
tawny garden
Byeah in fairness, we shouldn't just discard something only because it's unnecessary, cause if you think about it, the whole game is kinda unnecessary
pine star
cobalt pewter
sugg don'ts review 
hot zephyr
I'd say theme music is more necessary than cutscenes, seeing as Terraria set a precedent of bosses having accompanying music
tawny garden
But I still think you need to elaborate further
hot zephyr
Also I'd have no idea where more than like... one or two cutscenes would go.
normal ingot
I'd say theme music is more necessary than cutscenes, seeing as Terraria set a p...
both are different but both set up moods
one is during the boss and one afterwards
earnest cape
cutscenes are to tell a story
boss theme is to play with the boss battle so it doesn't get boring and sets the mood
normal ingot
yeah and i want to see more of Calamity's story
eternal escarp
its in reworks anyways and not finished
tawny garden
tell the lore with cutscenes
eternal escarp
so i mean
frail mantle
like i said, cutscenes are a better idea for when the mod is more finished
eternal escarp
let imagination flow
normal ingot
Calamity Book 
eternal escarp
like i said, cutscenes are a better idea for when the mod is more finished
^ its just completely unnecesary rn
earnest cape
~~tell the lore with cutscenes~~ <:LETSFUCKINGGOOOO:750965042123636757>
yharim with thanos style flashback
byeah
tawny garden
Oh god
frail mantle
i agree that it would be cool to have cutscenes, the devs just have more important things to work on
pine star
its like that someone who wanted to suggest voice acting
couldn't leave us well enough alone, could you?
normal ingot
its like that someone who wanted to suggest voice acting
bruh Supreme Cal and Yharon have voices in the OST
eternal escarp
it just doesnt fit in terraria as a whole(imo), is unnecesary and could wait to be suggested when the mod is finished tbh
tawny garden
~~couldn't leave us well enough alone, could you?~~
eternal escarp
bruh Supreme Cal and Yharon have voices in the OST
i mean, i never said it makes sense did i
heady lichen
they're not canonical though
normal ingot
Yharon's does
eternal escarp
its wierd on its own although the music is badass
frail mantle
the voices in SCal's and Yharon's themes are different from what they wanted iirc
heady lichen
yeah the music bops
but overall cutscenes are something for when yharim is added, not when the mod's core structure is unfinished
eternal escarp
and agian, the lyrics are great, but imo, they dont fit a game like terraria
frail mantle
they wanted more just hearing SCal actually say her chat messages rather than them just being chat messages
eternal escarp
but overall cutscenes are something for when yharim is added, not when the mod's...
more like the mods is mostly finished, byeah
heady lichen
it's high quality for sure, but not actually finished finished
as in it hasn't done everything it's sought to do
tawny garden
they wanted more just hearing SCal actually say her chat messages rather than th...
Lip syncing SCal
heady lichen
scatman scal now
eternal escarp
basically
its a great idea, it just doesnt fit now and imo never, but thats a personal opinion
pine star
scatman scal *now*
heady lichen
it can fit for ETG like boss spawn animations
heady lichen
but that's work that should be done later, (if ever)
eternal escarp
yeah
heady lichen
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8>
i'm already listening to that as I'm nohitting destroyer rn you fool
tawny garden
eternal escarp
thats kinda why suggestions that are "just cool" arent allowed
and prolly more reasons
byeah
heady lichen
calamity wants feedback, not concepts
eternal escarp
^
earnest cape
destroyer :desolate:
heady lichen
it wants to improve what it already has, not add more
eternal escarp
destroyer 
heady lichen
and yeah DAD destroyer is hell
tawny garden
not entirely true btw
eternal escarp
adding small mechanics is allowed im prty sure, but not big scale stuff
heady lichen
yeah, reworks are allowed
tawny garden
the main reason why suggestions that are "just cool" aren't allowed because 99.99% of the time "cool" is actually cool™️
cobalt pewter
SIS maybe no yes nh
eternal escarp
^
tawny garden
read: shit
heady lichen
anyways time to go back to nohitting
earnest cape
nerf/buff etc
cobalt pewter
Balancing isn't really handled by suggestions anymore
earnest cape
indeed
eternal escarp
sadly
cobalt pewter
Studies prove that average cal player can't stand nerfs
tawny garden
at least not of weapons
cobalt pewter
So we had to go to testers and bitch about those weapons
(don't actually bitch, be epic)
earnest cape
So we had to go to testers and bitch about those weapons
like feedza making docs about it
cobalt pewter
🥺
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
👋
tawny garden
eternal escarp
i can show the concept later but, thats for another topic ig
cobalt pewter
mk
earnest cape
Ah yes, "lemme throw my exo BALLS at scal"
tawny garden
i can show the concept later but, thats for another topic ig
cause it's nsfw?
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
Anyways
earnest cape
tawny garden
as you can see, I can easily turn into an idiot
cobalt pewter
I was thinking of something to mitigate general public disgust about nerfs in suggs
tawny garden
can't
eternal escarp
impossible
summer sentinel
okay, so the cutscene thing would be cool but the amount of like, artist work into it to animate it and make it at the calamity level of art would be a big thing for something people would sorta skip imo
fossil finch
I was thinking of something to mitigate general public disgust about nerfs in su...
Impossible
But really why do people complain when they nerf a weapon nobody uses anyways
earnest cape
because monke brain
frozen hornet
because then even less people would use it
summer sentinel
I see, even then it doesn’t feel calamity to me but it’s a fine sugg regardless
as for Thomas: that’s fair, the death environmental things are a nuisance rather than an actual threat at all just look at constant raining almost and lighting, plus cold in blizzard
hot zephyr
You'd still need to animate it, technically.
IMO, Calamity is full of things that need to be done that seem to be in way higher priority than fluff cutscenes.
The whole "well they do music!" is also a pretty bad argument because the mod's composers usually aren't devs.
Like previously mentioned, this seems like something more applicable when we have complete lore, at the very least.
eternal escarp
its like telling a restaurant to make new cola types,kinda
tawny garden
lol
tawny garden
#suggestions-voting message
studies have also shown that an average Calamity player is a perv
earnest cape
OH YEAH THAT SUGG I quickly glanced read through it and it just sounds like a christain mom seeing her kid saying "damn"
not saying that sugg is bad I just find it funny
earnest cape
hngng
tawny garden
OH YEAH THAT SUGG I ~~quickly glanced~~ read through it and it just sounds like ...
Rover was kinda determined to remove everything
earnest cape
tawny garden
seeing this sugg filled Rover with determination
frozen storm
dad time
frozen storm
Bruh
drowsy halo
<3
drowsy halo
😔😔
zenith hazel
don't post random stuff in the suggestions channel please, ty
drowsy halo
Ok :(
crystal iron
oh its u
drowsy halo
But ofc <3
frozen storm
wait Philo and Misfortune shares same profile pic?
frail mantle
mis is hatless philo yes
earnest cape
indeed
crystal iron
oh no @drowsy halo is writing another sugg
zenith hazel
apparently this isn't their first time
unreal viper
Why is that an oh no
tawny garden
Assume good faith
zenith hazel
so if they cause trouble in suggs again then that's a mute
crystal iron
they make weird suggs every time they do
actually not even suggs
i remebre one time they kept pinging fab 😔
pine star
frail mantle
oh well
crystal iron
ah there it is
gaunt quest
🤦
zenith hazel
and muted
frail mantle
thank ye
crystal iron
😔
zenith hazel
back to tetris
unreal viper
Just out of interest, what was the sugg?
tawny garden
It was a "sugg"
ashen warren
felt like a diary of some sort
slate tendon
I dont know if we are supposed to be talking about possible future suggestions, but do you guys think it would be a good suggestion to be able to toggle your friends projectiles, just like you can toggle things like heart of the elements?
To reduce lag and improve visability in multiplayer
slate tendon
I already know some effects work in that way, like the astral explosion from titan heart armor
eternal escarp
it sounds nice tbh, but it does sound really difficult to code
slate tendon
yeah it would be a very large change to do
but it would make a lot of multiplayer both less laggy and easier to play
which might give a way to actually balance it in the future
eternal escarp
it might also make it laggier, no idea how code for that stuff works
but wouldnt it need to check where the projectiles are anyway or smthn?
slate tendon
That is fair to be honest
eternal escarp
the idea is good tho
slate tendon
im not really sure how terraria projectiles or player entities work
eternal escarp
maybe it is possible, im just not knowledged enough to know if its possible and helpfull
slate tendon
yeah
Is there a place to put suggestions that might be more large scale then normal suggestions?
slate tendon
its gonna be difficult yeah
but some effects already exist that do taht
so its gotta be at leat possible, but maybe not worth it
tawny garden
Wait, what does that astral explosion do?
slate tendon
You cant see it if you arent the rogue who uses it
i tried showing it to my friends multiple times and nothing happens
if it is just a bug, it is one you could possibly capitalize on as well
tawny garden
what if your friends trolled you
slate tendon
trolled you how?
tawny garden
"We can't see anything" when in reality they could
tawny garden
slate tendon
it is them
earnest cape
ah yes
slate tendon
would this not be appropriate to put as a suggestion, since it is more large scale?
tawny garden
On a quick look through didn't see anything like that in the code
slate tendon
in the code for what?
earnest cape
source digging smh
slate tendon
hmm
so nothing with titan heart armor then
probably is unintentional/a bug/or my friends are just memeing
alright, now to figure out how to format my suggestion
slate tendon
how do you bold
slate tendon
cool, thanks
Find a way to enable/disable other player's projectiles like the elementals in heart of the elements.
Recently I was playing multiplayer with some of my friends and one of them came up with the idea to be able to disable other player's projectiles in some way, to make later game bosses like Cryogen easier to fight in multiplayer since there is not too many projectiles to focus on. I also think, if we were to find a way to do this then it would hopefully be able to solve a lot of issues in multiplayer, such as the immense amount of lag that goes along with it, and maybe may even lead to balancing multiplayer in the long run.
is this good you think?
tawny garden
Yeah
crystal iron
"make multiplayer easier"
slate tendon
Like I said, could be an avenue to nerfing it later
crystal iron
😔 😔
sand umbra
I
don't think this can be done without fundamentally breaking the game
like it's not even necessarily grand-scale it's literally "this is not possible in the game Calamity is a mod for by any stretch of the imagination"
tawny garden
mhm
slate tendon
Yeah, I dont really know much about terraria or programming in general
but if people do have ideas for how it could be done there are many reasons to do it
thats why i suggested it
There are some examples of things in the game that kind of work like that
but I could see how it can be impossible
tawny garden
but if people do have ideas for how it could be done there are many reasons to d...
Who, and what
Ah, "if"
slate tendon
yes
tawny garden
Didn't see it, sorry
slate tendon
I dont have any ideas because im not experienced in this area, but maybe people more familiar with it do
tawny garden
My first experience with C# was decompiled redcode
Believe me, it is a highly shitty way to start
Cause it's full of shit
pine star
oh god
crystal iron
Imagine using redcode as a programming tutorial
pine star
Imagine using redcode as a programming tutorial
It's a great programming tutorial
On what not to do
tawny garden
It's like watching ElectroBOOM
summer sentinel
I love that channel
tawny garden
So do I
hollow shell
@slate tendon When you say "disable the projectiles", I assume you just mean visually?
hollow shell
Or do you mean making it so other players literally can't do anything
sturdy geyser
problem?
slate tendon
yeah thats what I mean
hollow shell
You could make that a bit clearer
Because with Heart of the Elements, you are actually toggling them out of existence, they no longer function
hot zephyr
crude geode
Toggle for multiplayer
tawny garden
ah, if they don't exist at all that's at least somewhat plausible maybe
if you're prepared to rewrite the netcode completely
through IL
which ain't happening
oh god what did this sugg lead me to
pine star
oh god what did this sugg lead me to
oh god
tawny garden
this is why that anti-suggestive content sugg won't work
hot zephyr
Do not read the cursed knowledge, you will die
Your mind will be warped.
siren boobs POWER
sand umbra
how did whatever this convo is get to fish lady tiddy
unreal viper
We are chaos
sand umbra
what have I missed
hot zephyr
Everything.
fossil finch
HotE code being funny
tawny garden
that's for the Aquatic Heart
unreal viper
Fabsol truely is a great servant of slaanesh.
tawny garden
Philo being horny
not the first time that's happened
sand umbra
in any event this is not the place for this tomfuckery
move elsewhere or speaketh of suggs
tawny garden
tom fuckery
weak field
sirenBoobPower
tawny garden
unreal viper
😳
weak field
Never in my life have I thought, that these three words will be put together
dapper coral
@exotic ibex i'm not really seeing a reason here? why do these need to exist
exotic ibex
make mining fast?
tawny garden
@merry void that's not where you give feedback lol
dapper coral
make mining fast?
but like, why are the regular picks not good enough
skyfringe, aerialite pick, is already molten tier iirc and is p fast
tawny garden
think
how will it benefit the mod
exotic ibex
maybe they are
but we can just extend the area of mining
with the same speed
or faster
just by charging it a bit
same with hammers
walls are pretty annoying to remove
dapper coral
that sounds more like a qol mod if anything, doesn't feel strong enough to be cal specifically
exotic ibex
actually, there was a suggestion to make tools for improving building arenas
hollow shell
I can think of some thematic reasons why Draedon's Arsenal tools should exist
exotic ibex
and that was approved
tawny garden
doesn't feel strong enough to be cal specifically
in fairness, Charge is a Calamity feature
hollow shell
I think the reasons would be primarily thematic
But it would also be interesting to have charge on tools
to make mining more interesting
Having a faster mining tool that expends a resource (charge) over time
instead of limiting the feature exclusively to weapons
hot zephyr
Weak but fast picks... neat
exotic ibex
not just faster, but with an extended area of mining
exotic ibex
Weak but fast picks... neat
who said weak
tawny garden
Ian said that
tawny garden
add a reason
crystal iron
I think that's a cool idea actually
Would make arenas easier to build
And would make mining better
exotic ibex
yos
crystal iron
And would fill up some of the tool progression post ml
Cuz it kind of lacks
Or would replace the useless pickaxes
Like skyfringe
exotic ibex
um maybe their power percentage would scale with progression in the world?
or that's a bad idea
crystal iron
I don't exactly know how that would work
exotic ibex
or it would be nice if you get it in like late-HM
and then you will have a mini-bulldozer for the rest of game
crystal iron
I think having multiple tools would be a bit better
exotic ibex
either do I actually
cuz there was many issues about stuff, that was used from the beginning til the end of gameplay
I think devs should think about this part
if it's gonna be ever accepted
ugh my English is lacking so badly
sand umbra
tbh more Draedon's Arsenal stuff in general would be neat
could use a few more items in the...set, if you will
(read: a little more than literally just one weapon per class per tier would be nice)
tawny garden
gn
zealous ridge
more weapons would be nice
Thomas’s suggestion has more interesting implications in charge accessories
Taking damage expends charge to release a shockwave comes to mind initially
But that’s as far as I’ll go with that, just food for thought
unreal viper
Would be nice if there were more things to do with charge.
pine star
yeah
sharp prism
@void kelp #suggestions-posting
tawny garden
@merry void here
void kelp
kk
golden narwhal
Damn, can't argue with that sugg
tawny garden
pine star
hot zephyr
Melee only has three DA weapons
cobalt rose
i thought each class had 5
void kelp
Ian meant that some of them function as tools too
unreal viper
Interesting.
proper grail
Long exclaimed rant suggestion go brrr
hot zephyr
Melee has three DA weapons, and two memes
pine star
what are the 3 weapons?
unreal viper
I’m more interested in the memes.
hot zephyr
The ones that aren't the teeny tiny jabber and the power tool
proper grail
HVC is currently our best hammer in case you didn't realize 
proper grail
I edit these things way too much
pine star
The ones that aren't the teeny tiny jabber and the power tool
Hydraulic Volt Crasher is a great hammer
unreal viper
How relevant are hammers tho
pine star
Yes but is it a good melee weapon?
no
crude geode
Oh no, melee doesn’t have a completely viable arsenal weapon for each tier? Now they’re gonna starve not be viable
hollow shell
(that Patrick moment is a pretty good analogy for melee in this situation)
hot zephyr
I'm sure if Mage was missing a DA weapon you'd be right here saying the same thing as me
crude geode
Yes because mage doesn’t have 15 different weapons for each tier there isn’t a missing DA weapon. You’re just not willing to use it, and that’s fine. Just don’t complain about it not existing.
hollow shell
Melee is infamously bloated
If there's an crafting theme where it's missing some weapons then it really isn't hurting much from it
crude geode
Also ^
hot zephyr
Start stripping away the dime-a-dozen projectile swords instead
hollow shell
I'm working on it
hot zephyr
Good
hollow shell
I think Fab is too
hot zephyr
But all the DA weapons are flashy and unique
hollow shell
judging by his status from shortly ago
hot zephyr
Ye ik.
pine star
what was it?
hollow shell
something something "Projectile swords suck"
pine star
oh
hollow shell
also yeah Pulse Dragon is awesome
pine star
also yeah Pulse Dragon is awesome
yeah
hollow shell
Phaseslayer is very awesome
pine star
The double flails are strong and unique
crude geode
Pulse Dragon and Phaseslayer actually somewhat feel like melee weapons.
pine star
Gauss Dagger was good when it moonwalked
crude geode
also I have to say the Clam Crusher is prolly one of the cooler and more unique melee weapons
proper grail
Ehduucekjcuujjudyvjk my entire edit just vanished in front of my eyes
hollow shell
(save often, never lose anything)
crude geode
also don't post before you're finished with a suggestion
pine star
hot zephyr
There's so much that could be done with arsenal weapons; giving them accessories would be badass
crude geode
Isn't charge already a decent mechanic when compared to other mechanics calamity has
hot zephyr
Charge bad
tawny garden
y
hot zephyr
Because you can just make more of the weapon lol
Which just makes the mechanic tedious
sharp prism
when you craft it, it starts with zero charge iirc
hollow shell
Are you seriously crafting more than one weapon
tawny garden
@cold cosmos read the doc
crude geode
don't they come with zero charge?
hot zephyr
I'm saying
hollow shell
References for the sake of references aren't allowed
hot zephyr
Just have spare charged weapons
proper grail
Done
tawny garden
you can't suggest references for the sake of references
hollow shell
(cuz we have had many suggs in the past which were just references for the sake of it)
crude geode
You know you could also just charge the weapon instead of wasting crafting materials
tawny garden
especially a sugg specifically devoted to references 
hot zephyr
You don't get it, Cursed
pine star
sharp prism
hollow shell
This sugg is actually more fine than one that specifically makes a reference
But, it is arguably still not allowed
crude geode
(Calamity already makes too many bad references to other media)
tawny garden
we got enough references already
sharp prism
tbh id just wait until the next mgrr reference
hollow shell
We do have a lot of references
hot zephyr
You don't have to tactically use charge in a fight because you can just have dupes. If you can just circumvent the charge mechanic (and pretty easily, since the DA weapons have super easy recipes), why bother having it.
tawny garden
just that most of these are MGR:R so they're not noticeable
now I'll definitely never get CD
crude geode
I've never run out of charge on a weapon in the middle of a fight. I've just had to recharge.
hollow shell
Batteries are cheaper than crafting a whole new weapon
Because batteries are, in fact, free
hot zephyr
You don't understand
hollow shell
They just take time to generate
pine star
You don't understand
Ian, you seem insane
sharp prism
Ian just didnt have any charged batteries
crude geode
If you wanna play that way, go ahead, sandbox is a sandbox
but don't expect everyone to do that
hollow shell
Ian buys a new flashlight every time his current one runs out of batteries
hot zephyr
You're missing my point entirely
pine star
~~Ian buys a new flashlight every time his current one runs out of batteries~~
haha yes
sharp prism
~~Ian buys a new flashlight every time his current one runs out of batteries~~
he also buys a new printer when it runs out of ink
hot zephyr
Charge, as a mechanic. Punishes the player for using the weapon for an extended period of time during a fight.
dapper violet
the only "reference for the sake of reference" thing i want is DMC rep
like rebellion, or yamato
i think they would be cool true melee options
maybe ebony and ivory could actually make post-scal ranger good
and when you activate rage or adrenaline it's a devil trigger
hot zephyr
Your analogy is shite because printers are cheaper than ink
sharp prism
fuck youre right
crude geode
it barely reduces the damage, it's only like when it hits 20% where it actually starts to take effect
iirc
sand umbra
Your analogy is shite because printers are cheaper than ink
I hate how true this is
hollow shell
Line breaks would be appreciated Solstice
sand umbra
ink is fucking stupid pricey okay
hollow shell
It's becoming a wall of text
hot zephyr
The whole point of charge, I assume, is to punish the player for using these weapons for an extended period of time during a fight. Why even have the damage nerf if you can just swap to another copy of the weapon mid fight.
sharp prism
Capitalism!
proper grail
Yep, just a sec. Anything else for anyone to add?
hollow shell
Well because that means you need to make more than one weapon
That's such an alien concept I don't know if anybody has thought about doing that but you
sharp prism
charge shouldnt increase or reduce damage depending on charge imo
sharp prism
ian you're quite the enigma
proper grail
That's such an alien concept I don't know if anybody has thought about doing tha...
Basically the only viable way to use Arsenal weapons is by crafting multiple ones.
hollow shell
I haven't used the Draedon weapons much / at all, so maybe it woulda crossed my mind if I used em for a playthrough
sand umbra
why would it be common understanding to make more than one of a non-consumable weapon
pine star
Ian, you're very strange
sand umbra
in what universe does that make sense
proper grail
Exactly
sharp prism
DA weapons arent usefull
hollow shell
Pardon me for speaking from personal inexperience
pine star
why would it be common understanding to make more than one of a non-consumable w...
Ian's the kind of guy to buy a new computer when his computer's battery dies
hot zephyr
LXIX, you're not really adding anything to this conversation
sharp prism
i never use them, theyre just forgettable in a pt
proper grail
Frankly, Draedon weapons currently suck until late game
crude geode
what?
sand umbra
Ian can you please stop being enigmatic beyond mortal comprehension for two seconds
hot zephyr
Sure
crude geode
I've found them to be p decent throughout the game, tho the late game ones are poggers.
sand umbra
I think the main benefit of late-game Draedon's Arsenal weps is that they have a higher charge capacity and thus can generally be used more without needing to recharge
proper grail
Why do we have Gauss Dagger exactly? HVC is incredibly close range and is better as a tool. Aerialite tier Draedon weapons suck against even Queen Bee
pine star
Gauss Dagger was great when it moonwalked
hot zephyr
Personally, I think charge needs to be shared between weapons so you can't just swap to a copy of the same weapon to avoid actually recharging the thing
crude geode
I can't speak for all of them, but Pulse Pistol at least was nice for mobbing
hot zephyr
Since at the current moment you can just bypass charge entirely.
hollow shell
Hmmm that is an idea
sand umbra
Personally, I think charge needs to be shared between weapons so you can't just ...
disregarding the fact that logically speaking this makes no sense whatsoever, wouldn't that just defeat the purpose and turn it into funny mana
crude geode
^
hot zephyr
What's the current purpose of Charge?
sharp prism
resource 3
hot zephyr
Wow, an actual ammo mechanic in Terraria that hasn't been ruined by Red! Crazy thought, huh.
hollow shell
alternatively, Manammo
tawny garden
pine star
sand umbra
Wow, an actual ammo mechanic in Terraria that hasn't been ruined by Red! Crazy t...
god you're snarkin' harder than I do right now
that's an accomplishment, I'm impressed
crude geode
Charge is to force you to experience the hell of having to refill Wii Remote batteries
indeed
proper grail
Rover.
Can I get your help?
Compare Aerialite weapon viability to that of Tier 1 Arsenal weapons.
hollow shell
I feel like many conversations about
many things
in both Terraria and Calamity
boil down to "What is the purpose of this?"
crude geode
indeed
crude geode
it's vital to game design
hollow shell
I'm not a tester Solstice, I can't help much when it comes to viability
proper grail
I feel like many conversations about
many things
in both Terraria and Calamity
b...
Frost Legion.
sand umbra
yelling at each other about what the point of XYZ thing is
is literally the entire reason this channel exists
crude geode
Charge, in my eyes, is for thematic purposes
tawny garden
I feel like many conversations about
many things
in both Terraria and Calamity
b...
there is no this when there is no instance of an object.
pine star
Frost Legion.
Ectoblood
proper grail
I'm not a tester Solstice, I can't help much when it comes to viability
You have the beta tester role, my mistake
hollow shell
I do, that is true
I probably don't need it
@radiant meadow Do you have perms to remove
sand umbra
(mostly unrelated: Frost Legion is the epitome of "What is the purpose of this?" but that's a box of its own which can be unpacked in another time and place)
radiant meadow
hm?
hollow shell
Beta Tester role from me
radiant meadow
done
hollow shell
Thanks
proper grail
Who would be a good tester to ping?
hot zephyr
Aren't testers on break rn?
radiant meadow
(you got me right as I got back to my comp luckily :) )
proper grail
Aren't testers on break rn?
News to me
sand umbra
it's the holidays so probably something close to that
I wouldn't know though because I don't know the backstage going-ons, I just yell at people about dumb ideas and tell them how to make those ideas less dumb when I can
radiant meadow
depends on what constitutes a break but I think rn is basically holidays so yeah nobody is really doing much
proper grail
I need a tester to confirm my personal experience, is this possible?
radiant meadow
or at the very least, I haven't been too motivated to do Terraria stuff
(Is what possible?)
proper grail
Compare Aerialite weapon viability to that of Tier 1 Arsenal weapons.
radiant meadow
tier 1 arsenal is supposed to be slightly better but they should be roughly around the same viability
hot zephyr
Tracking Disk and Taser are good
proper grail
I did this in my nohitting series and Aerialite stuff was far better
radiant meadow
like none of them should be garbage
except maybe star swallowers
those are a lost cause
hot zephyr
(gauss dagger)
sand umbra
people talk nice about Tracking Disk a lot so I assume it's good
proper grail
Tracking Disk and Taser are good
They're bad against bosses though. Try using Taser vs Queen Bee
hot zephyr
Both work good against Skeletron
radiant meadow
tracking disk really likes shark tooth
proper grail
Tracking Disk was equally bad, even with shark tooth
radiant meadow
and hitscan automatically makes it a good option for the slime god core
sand umbra
Gauss Dagger has no projectile and is also the size of a peanut (seriously it's like pre-overhaul Depth Blade size), and as such it sucks by default
proper grail
Trust me I tried the entire tier
hot zephyr
Gauss Dagger is a true melee shortsword
crude geode
a weapon bad against bosses? buff needed fap pls
hot zephyr
It's hot garbage
sand umbra
wait it's a shortsword?
radiant meadow
no
proper grail
Yep.
hardy dock
a weapon bad against bosses? buff needed fap pls
uh oh
sand umbra
I thought it was a broadsword despite its small size
radiant meadow
it's a really small broadsword
hot zephyr
Hm.
tawny garden
short broadsword.
sand umbra
it's just a really small broadsword
pine star
Gauss Dagger was apparently ok when it could moonwalk
tawny garden
i.e. a sword
hardy dock
Gauss Dagger is probably the worst Draedon weapon
proper grail
Because this game totally allows getting 3 inches from a boss
sand umbra
(contrary to what any and all real-world logic should tell you: in this context, that is actually separate from a shortsword because of a stark difference in mechanics)
hot zephyr
broadsword, shortsword, the range is so small it barely makes a difference.
If you try to use it against anything on tier, you will die.
crystal iron
i actually found gauss dagger to be useful against skeletron more than any othr weapon
sand umbra
the difference is that one of these weapon types can function without projectiles
proper grail
Star Swallower, Gauss Dagger need buffing
sand umbra
Star Swallowers I have no idea about
but I've said my piece on Gauss Dagger which you by the by get at precisely the point getting close to bosses starts being approximately Not Viable™️
proper grail
But still tier 1 Draedon arsenal weapons are really bad compared to, say, Abyss and Aerialite
sharp prism
funny froge summon will never be good 😔
sand umbra
Abyss weps are post-Skeletron so that shouldn't be a comparison
hot zephyr
Abyss weapons are a tier above
sand umbra
they're like 3 tiers above power-wise, they blow even Underworld Shadow Chest loot outta the water by a mile
proper grail
~~and hitscan automatically makes it a good option for the slime god core~~
Replying to this.
hot zephyr
tbh all the Abyss weapons could get a good swing of the ol' nerf bat
radiant meadow
well, if you hit 0 lionfish and hit 20 tracking disks, tracking disks will deal more damage
but if you hit 20 lionfish, lionfish will still be better
proper grail
No sane person would use the Tracking Disk over the Black Aunarian
sharp prism
wha
hot zephyr
"If you do nothing, the copper shortsword is better by comparison"
crude geode
isn't the tracking disk a rogue weapon.
radiant meadow
I mean, a lot of people like to stick to classes
sharp prism
black aunarian is a mage weapon
sand umbra
a lot of sane people would use the Tracking Disk over the Black Anurian actually on account of multiclassing being a massive meme in Calamity
proper grail
Forget the class equivalents, I'm strictly going by "this weapon tracks"
sand umbra
it's still an unfair comparison
you're comparing a T1 Arsenal wep to an Abyss wep
the Abyss wep wins by default
proper grail
Exactly. Let's just leave it out.
radiant meadow
Tracking Disk only beats Lionfish if your aim is shit.
sand umbra
anywho if T1 Arsenal weps are worse than Aerialite (or HM/Perfs drops, which I'm stunned you didn't test considering you're trying to compare viability), there's a problem there
radiant meadow
(that comment was really just meant to be a joke on how slime god goes nyoooooooom)
hot zephyr
(tbh I think SG is predictable enough to hit)
tawny garden
he is
proper grail
I'll put it this way. Aestheticus did more DPS than the Tracking Disk against both QB and Skele
hot zephyr
The only bosses that're difficult to hit are probably like.... T3 retinaizer?
I don't believe you, Solstice
crude geode
same
hot zephyr
There's no way
sand umbra
I also don't believe you
there's no way in the nine circles that Aestheticus did respectable damage period, let alone better damage than Tracking Disk
hot zephyr
The Aestheticus is one of the best examples of why Patreon items dying is a good thing; no way Aestheticus beat tracking disk.
radiant meadow
Aestheticus could stand to be nerfed ngl
proper grail
Tracking and splitting bolts are surprisingly viable. Tracking disk gets damage seriously cut by high defense
pine star
I'll put it this way. *Aestheticus* did more DPS than the Tracking Disk against ...
what were your kill times?
hot zephyr
sand umbra
isn't its debuff like super fucking good
pine star
yes
hot zephyr
Can I make a suggestion to have a config that disables patron items pls
zealous ridge
I can see Aestheticus being better than disk
sand umbra
oh it's 15 DPS
zealous ridge
it does 15 dps and lowered movespeed
sharp prism
~~Can I make a suggestion to have a config that disables patron items pls~~
go to cataclysm for that
zealous ridge
The movespeed is irrelevant to damage, likely
dapper blaze
yes do it
hot zephyr
I seek out the Stevie
proper grail
Tracking disk was doing 1 damage against QB, Aestheticus was doing several times higher
sand umbra
15 DPS is nothing even on such a low tier what
pine star
~~Can I make a suggestion to have a config that disables patron items pls~~
final dawn is sad now
dapper blaze
go to cataclysm
hot zephyr
(is that already in Cataclysm?)
dapper blaze
never return
sharp prism
holy shit
zenith hazel
are you sure your disk was not at 1% or smth
dapper blaze
(is that already in Cataclysm?)
no
hot zephyr
(Do it)
dapper blaze
(ok)
hot zephyr
Delete all the shit-tier "this is my calamity OC weapon"
proper grail
are you sure your disk was not at 1% or smth
Full charge, 7 copies to maintain >80%
zenith hazel
alright, provide footage then
sand umbra
Delete all the shit-tier "this is my calamity OC weapon"
do it you won't
proper grail
Can't ATM, for the same reason my Nohit died. I don't have access to my computer.
pine star
Most of them were mistakes
hot zephyr
Even if there are one or two good ones, there's a sea of shit and it's only going to get worse as the devs clean out the backlog
pine star
final dawn is probably the one exception
hardy dock
can we request they be moved in progression?
pine star
Even if there are one or two good ones, there's a sea of shit and it's only goin...
yeah
hardy dock
~~final dawn is probably the one exception~~
wait what thats a patron weapon?
pine star
Moved into an incinerator
sharp prism
yes
sand umbra
can we request they be moved in progression?
unfortunately it's like impossible to get significant changes made to a patron wep
pine star
wait what thats a patron weapon?
yes
It's Dan Yami's weapon
hot zephyr
And that's one of the reasons they're shite
sand umbra
this applies even if you're the one that bought the item btw
pine star
Dan Yami made SoA
hot zephyr
Because the mod is now backed into a corner because some twelve year old spent a clean fiddy.
hardy dock
huh
pine star
And he programmed the weapon himself
crystal iron
What's SoA again
sand umbra
Shadows of #other-mod-talk
sharp prism
Shadows of Abbadon
sand umbra
hardy dock
i remember how many videos people made on the final dawn
hot zephyr
Shadows of <#333584383388942356>
hardy dock
hot zephyr
Yami is cool 
dapper blaze
Patron items were a mistake
I agree
hot zephyr
And besides the guardian of #other-mod-talk is Stevie
zealous ridge
Haha, sounds like the math works out for the tracking disk
dapper blaze
And besides the guardian of <#333584383388942356> is Stevie
c:
zealous ridge
theoretically speaking at least
sand umbra
Stevie started actually existing in this server like a week or two ago at most get outta here
zealous ridge
I’ll wait on the footage if it can be collected
zealous ridge
But it’s entirely realistic for the lasers to only be doing 1 damage
the disk itself, not so much
sharp prism
Stevie leached off of calam for downloads smh 
sand umbra
(then again I'm out of programming motivation as of late so /shrug)
dapper blaze
Stevie started actually existing in this server like a week or two ago at most g...
what?
I've been talking here for longer than that
relatively actively
proper grail
But it’s entirely realistic for the lasers to only be doing 1 damage
Try hitting QB. Just try.
crystal iron
Ah yes, I was gonna ask
proper grail
Technically I still am, Arsenal weapon viability is part of my sugg
crystal iron
Would it be a good idea to suggest different amounts of charge depending on the prefix, like if u got legendary it would start off with 50 charge for example
Or smth
hot zephyr
charge reforges
Charge just needs more things to make it interesting, imagine an acc that'd give arsenal weapons some new effect based on how low the charge was
pine star
proper grail
Broken screws you over even more than it does now
pine star
Charge just needs more things to make it interesting, imagine an acc that'd give...
Exhaust Activator?
like just a name for an accessory like that
hot zephyr
Or just anything to make it more interesting
Let's make a bet. I think 1.5 is gonna give us an armor that uses charge.
sharp prism
now youre just feeding stevie ideas
hot zephyr
(you ruined it, Dank.)
sharp prism
anyways
dapper blaze
(you ruined it, Dank.)
how is t his m
hot zephyr
Or maybe an acc that gives DA weapons a huge power boost, at the cost of increased charge consumption
Hm, Stevie?
dapper blaze
how
proper grail
So my suggestion is good overall though?
sharp prism
ye
pine star
Or maybe an acc that gives DA weapons a huge power boost, at the cost of increas...
it should be named Overclocker and double attack speed at the cost of 1.5x charge consumption
proper grail
~~it should be named Overclocker and double attack speed at the cost of 1.5x cha...
That's called a 100% damage boost
Nope
hot zephyr
(And that's why you make charge shared between weapon duplicates, so you can actually make the mechanic interesting and not "haha extra copies go brrr")
pine star
that was more of a reference than a serious idea
proper grail
Actually I messed up on my math, it's 33%. You'd get 4 times the a
weapon's damage in 2 shots, consuming 3 charge. Or, get 3 times weapon damage normally, in 3 shots
cobalt pewter
Solar Backpack acc that passively charges arsenal weapons to surrounding light level when
proper grail
I think everyone likes this idea
Nobody so far has spoken against Arsenal accessories/armor
cobalt pewter
It could be a subclass of its own, which I don't mind
sleek hornet
It could be a subclass of its own, which I don't mind
like charge consumption related acc?
cobalt pewter
Probs
pine star
yeah
proper grail
I was thinking, personally, an item that gives you charge for distance run
A generator
frozen hornet
I really like the idea of an acc that stores a huge load of charge that functions as charge extension
proper grail
So it's just a personal idea
cold cosmos
a
proper grail
Please don't post anything that isn't valuable to the conversation at hand, to future suggestions, or to current suggestions. No shitposting
earnest cape
@cold cosmos read the "don'ts" doc next time
frozen storm
tribal verge
bruh
cobalt pewter
A bit daring, but what if there's a way to diminish enemy contact damage by direct melee hits?
hollow shell
So, what Temporal Sadness debuff already does (i.e. Teardrop Cleaver)?
hollow shell
It does
cobalt pewter
I'll need to check
slate tendon
question, a couple people brought up some problems with my suggestion, and most of them are resolved in a way I can. What happens next?
hollow shell
@dapper coral
(Demik exclamated your Osaka's sugg, so I'll let him decide if it should be removed)
slate tendon
I dont see an exclamation point, unless you are talking about someone else?
hollow shell
Yeah, just contact damage
Because projectile damage is handled in a more complicated and harder to access way
(might change in the future? don't count on it)
crude geode
Contact damage really needs to stop being slapped on everything
hollow shell
Ah, my bad, I was looking at that other guy's suggestion
hollow shell
If your suggestion has no exclamation on it then that means it is good to go
It'll be autoapproved after enough time
slate tendon
oh okay
cobalt pewter
I might consider suggesting later
I'll just need to build strong reasons for the sugg lole
crude geode
just suggest lowering contact damage in general tbfh, that shit is way too high late game and in general
sharp prism
every true melee player
slate tendon
we get like infinite revives tho
viscid kite
so I was thinking
so the eye of the storm
shouldn't it have a dash animation?
it just kinda stays in it's idle while attacking
hollow shell
Sure you could suggest that
(She actually has the same attack animation as the enemy version
sitting in the source, unused)
(So, we don't even need new sprites, just use the ones we were apparently supposed to already )
earnest cape
viscid kite
lol
proper grail
Me omw to suggest finishing Godslayer Slugs
cobalt pewter
zealous ridge
Bruh
I mean, the ideas been around for a good while
If I recall the reason nothing’s come of it yet is because of just... lack of ideas for what it could do
I believe it’s just a luminite bullet right now
Maybe more damage
hollow shell
(We have a solid original concept in dev, just hasn't been programmed yet)
cobalt pewter
Simply put: Not a Priority™
crude geode
Why fix one tiny bullet when an entire mechanic (rage) is broken
dapper violet
auric bullets that home, pierce, and ignore iframes
good stuff
viscid kite
also speaking of heart of the elements
the brimstone elemental from the rosy stone has a really wacky sprite
cobalt pewter
Isn't that the literal same sprite as the boss?
So yeah
A resprite is happening™
hot zephyr
(Make them rapidly bounce between targets >:( )
hollow shell
(if by "really wacky" you mean "glitched out" then you could report to bugs
But if you mean just, bad quality/palette or whatever
Then yeah a resprite is happening soon so dw)
cobalt pewter
~~(Make them rapidly bounce between targets >:( )~~
that's just 1.4.1 nano bullet kekw
proper grail
~~(Make them rapidly bounce between targets >:( )~~
Crystal Darts 2.0
proper grail
Crystal Darts don't split,smh
cobalt pewter
Nano Bullet bounces towards enemies in 1.4.1