suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

... actually I might've been kinda

Dumb

When I wrote that

[hollow shell]

You prolly meant just nerfing the jump speed boost

[cobalt pewter]

Not sure how to fix it, and I never slept throughout this night, so my brain is at all time low

Ah that's an option

I initially thought of stuff that got softcapped recently, and I just remembered those were for projectiles

lole

[crude geode]

Soft cap damage boosts

[dapper blaze]

@cobalt pewter I interpreted it as "it can't go over a certain amount"

so maybe like that

[hot zephyr]

bad feedzuh

get the spray bottle

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah kinda like that I presume

[dapper blaze]

so it can only provide so much of a bonus

before the rest doesn't get applied

so like, if the player already has +100%

it can only boost it by up to 20% (example)

though that wouldn't make much sense since none of the others do that afaik

[cobalt pewter]

True

I'll keep it as nerf Frog Leg in general

That's the message anyways

Dumb acc

[hollow shell]

@proud parcel Your topic line could be more specific to the issue you're describing
Reading the topic line I thought you were going to ask for a nerf, not anti-cheese

[hot zephyr]

Environmental effect buffs

Doesn't seem necessary since avoiding freeze is already easy

[crude geode]

Campfire pog

[proud parcel]

Topic line changed

[hot zephyr]

hand warmer, eskimo armor, warmth potion, etc.

[hollow shell]

Better 👍

[hot zephyr]

campfires

[proud parcel]

But those all require placing something, or wearing an accessory/armor set you normally wouldn't have equipped

[hot zephyr]

I mean

Warmth Potion

[proud parcel]

Or using a consumable

Whereas this, you can do using an accessory you would have equipped anyways

[hot zephyr]

I just think the mechanic as a whole is bad and limits accessory choice

[hollow shell]

Gold's point is that you don't need to prep for the blizzard to survive it

[hot zephyr]

Ye, I know.

The sugg checks out.

[hollow shell]

ok

[hot zephyr]

Veering off topic but I feel like death mode biome penalties shouldn't be completely bypassed by cold gear.

[proud parcel]

Campfires to explore space at night

[hot zephyr]

idek how that works

If we're applying logic to it, the thin atmosphere would kill you

[hollow shell]

yeah tbh let's add a breath meter to space layer too

[cobalt pewter]

Space's environmental effect should be unique yes

[tawny garden]

Space suits in Terraria

[summer sentinel]

Let's add a hunger mechanic to terraria too

[cobalt pewter]

Give space abyss tier breathing in dmode

[tawny garden]

Bought from the Steampunker for like 200 Plat

[proud parcel]

That would actually be better than what it currently does

[hollow shell]

Though the temperature effects are not inaccurate either

[proud parcel]

Give both then

[hot zephyr]

I think instead of just "instant death because you didn't equip the accessory/potion", there should be small but permanent penalties.

[proud parcel]

Gradually increasing penalties maybe?

Like how it handles the underworld

[hot zephyr]

Maybe in cold temperature your movement speed/jump speed is cut if you aren't constantly moving.

[pine star]

haha ech

[hollow shell]

They already gradually increase, don't they?

[proud parcel]

Only in underworld

Else it's binary

[hollow shell]

Are you sure about that

[proud parcel]

Err, blizzard has 3 stages I guess

[hot zephyr]

lmao space penalty. turns to day and then you instantly explode

[proud parcel]

Nothing, slowed, frozen

But space is literally: nothing, or a DoT

[hot zephyr]

The DoT being so powerful it might as well be an instagib if you don't have 400 HP

[proud parcel]

The underworld has 6 stages though

That are gradually applied

And gradually fade away

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like Space should be separate from heat / cold ye, as much as it could be accurate, you're kinda dealing with loss of air the most in space, technically

[hot zephyr]

There needs to be unique modifiers and not "you're fucked lmao"

@cobalt pewter Call it "Vacuum" protection

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

I love finding a frost barrier early game and then negating the weather effects completely because I have a snowflake

[hot zephyr]

Maybe in Hell, enemy attacks have a chance to inflict on fire, and all On Fire effects in hell are 2x stronger.

[proud parcel]

Hell is honestly mostly fine

Well

[cobalt pewter]

Also tbh imo iirc the cave darkness should just be reworked completely to something like spawn rate adjustment depending on the amount of light around the player

[proud parcel]

Comparatively better

[crude geode]

if there’s anything I hate about dmode, it’s the lighting. It’s not challenging, it’s just annoying.

[hot zephyr]

Cave darkness is cool atmospherically bit also

judy

just*

"Place 515518487661 torches or be fucked."

[crude geode]

The light requirements need to be toned the fuck down

[hollow shell]

Wait a second

Leaving a death mode blizzard doesn't immediately reset the timer

[cobalt pewter]

...fuck it, I'll make a suggestion with a doc tomorrow primarily on death mode effects

[hot zephyr]

I'll help you tomorrow, Feed

[cobalt pewter]

Dis?

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[proud parcel]

Wait really?

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

when you're outside of the biome, it ticks down at the same speed it ticks up when you're in the blizzard

[proud parcel]

I literally just hopped across a snow biome

And the cold debuff thing disappeared immediately too

[cobalt pewter]

movement speed is kinda irrelevant on vertical mobility iirc

It's only the slow effect

[hollow shell]

The debuff icon disappears but the internal variable stays

[cobalt pewter]

That's gradually decaying

[proud parcel]

Oh

[hollow shell]

Debuff icon only appears when the timer is increasing, i.e. it's getting worse

[proud parcel]

Hmm

I wonder how I got across that snow biome then

[hot zephyr]

Opinion: Environmental hazards, like Lightning or Lava pillars, are way cooler than "you don't have mittens, get frozen"

[proud parcel]

I'll delete suggestion then, since it apparently is inaccurate

[hot zephyr]

[crude geode]

Lightning needs to have waaaay less of a telegraph

Takes 5 years a bolt of lightning to touch the ground

[cobalt pewter]

Lightning can be a bit cooler (it can be cut off if you fly as soon as it's about to zap)

[hot zephyr]

Lightning's spread is so wide it's telegraph might as well be the "safe spot"

[crude geode]

Needs to have a unique projectile instead of vortex pillar lightning

[proud parcel]

(I was even sitting in the snow biome for a bit longer since I was surprised jumping out removed the debuff, and I was messing with it a little)

[cobalt pewter]

Also the lightning itself travels a bit too slow imo, just make it a unique projectile that pops in and fades out within a second

Or so

[crude geode]

It’s not really lightning

It’s more of slow electricity

[cobalt pewter]

Ye

[tawny garden]

Well, it's fast irl

[cobalt pewter]

Literally speed of light

[crude geode]

yes that is in fact my point philo

[cobalt pewter]

You usually don't get to see it travel irl

[hot zephyr]

It used to be a lot more menacing but the community cried until it was lobotomized

[cobalt pewter]

Just BOOM a fucking pillar of light

Outta nowhere

[tawny garden]

Slower than that, actually

[eternal escarp]

lightinings spread is actually so bad staying under blocks is worse then the open tbh

[tawny garden]

But still quite fast

[crude geode]

I still hate the fact that if you’re literally standing behind dirt you’re fine in space.

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah, that's what I kinda asked with Fab

[eternal escarp]

or just a sinple campfire

[cobalt pewter]

But no response iirc

I feel like just

[tawny garden]

Dirt gives you air to breathe

[cobalt pewter]

Making the effect disabled within a valid housing would be better imo

[unique kite]

how about just remove death weather shit

easy solution

[crude geode]

lazy option

[eternal escarp]

but

[cobalt pewter]

@Fabsol

[eternal escarp]

bo

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

removing weather = broken heart of a child

do you want to do that?

monster

[crude geode]

It’s an option, but one that would dramatically lessen the uniqueness of death’s difficulty

[tawny garden]

I once actually meme pinged fab and got away with it
Still not quite sure how I did that

[cobalt pewter]

lole

[eternal escarp]

philo didnt you oing hin today with an asociated staff ping?

[tawny garden]

That didn't actually ping

[eternal escarp]

huh

[crude geode]

Death’s difficulty stands out to me not through the stat/phase changes, but the more major changes. Such as DoG one shot, weather effects, Levi and Anahita spawning together (originally). It feels more fresh and unique than something like defiled.

[eternal escarp]

didnt know u can do that

[cobalt pewter]

Levi and ana spawning together is bad because dmode players were left out from the 2nd part of Leviathan Trilogy

[eternal escarp]

i forgot the 2nd parts name ill be honest, did it even have one?

also good that they kept it in tbh

[cobalt pewter]

Can't recall

But the entire thing is Leviathan Trilogy

[eternal escarp]

forbidden lullaby is the 3rd part iirc

[cobalt pewter]

Mhm

[eternal escarp]

but alas, off topic

[cobalt pewter]

Siren's Call for the first

Byeah

[eternal escarp]

i agree deathmode is very unique in this sense

[crude geode]

The more unique changes are why I like death. Things like Spaz and Ret getting P3, weather changes, SCal’s arena being smaller (even tho Brimstone Monsters suck)

It makes the experience feel fresh, unique, and challenging.

[hot zephyr]

It isn't really difficulty though... just gating until you acquire an accessory or get lucky with travelling merchant

[crude geode]

Yes, that is current weather changes.

[eternal escarp]

the blizzard is shitty

the rest is cool imo

blizzard should have been only icicles

and not freeze mechanic early game atleast

[proud parcel]

But bypassing the freeze is trivial

You can just jump over it

Or use campfires

[hot zephyr]

Heat bad, it's literally "you can't go here" until you have lava charn and the it's never utilized again

[eternal escarp]

yeah, litterly

its a cool concept, but it just doesnt really work out in terraria

[hot zephyr]

Space is worse, you're fucked if you want to go during the day because it's 100x harder to get heat immunity than cold

[eternal escarp]

ike

for cold u litterly just need a campfire

[crude geode]

calamity really needs to stop implementing random mechanics from other games

[eternal escarp]

and space change is absolutely gone and dusted

[hot zephyr]

(RE ammo lel)

[crude geode]

I think that weather mechanics should discourage entering certain areas early game, but not completely gate them off.

[proud parcel]

^

[eternal escarp]

like the ocean ig

it has chtulunados spawns

but it doesnt block you from it

[crude geode]

For example, making snow biome lower your dr (and your movement speed a bit unless you have some heat protection), intensifying in a storm.

Sandstorm debuff applying tiny bits of damage overtime, and screwing up your vision unless you had some actual helmet that isn’t wood, such as a ore helm or night vision.

Things that don’t just say “fuck you, don’t come here unless you have one of these accessories” but “you can come in, but don’t expect an easy time, unless you have some accessory/item”

honest to god tempted to write up a suggestion and trash one of my other ones for the time being

[hot zephyr]

^

Cursed, maybe ask Feedzuh if you can join his doc.

[crude geode]

Collaborating with someone? I would never stoop that low.

All I know is posting a suggestion the same time as Thomas and arguing about it for a good half hour

[hot zephyr]

suggestions is a collaboratory art

[crude geode]

Indeed it is ~~and it’s also why we’re allowed to repost other people’s suggs ~~

@cobalt pewter if you need any help, I am more than willing to join in on writing up stuff for a doc

[hot zephyr]

The Solstice Strategy

[crude geode]

Pretty much

It’s weird thinking about how much of a boomer I am even tho I’ve been here for like only a year

[hot zephyr]

Stay here for a few and become ancient, like me.

[tawny garden]

"ancient" is Rover, not you

[hot zephyr]

:(

[tawny garden]

[hot zephyr]

Rover is before time itself.

[crude geode]

Rover is the only deity here

[hot zephyr]

He is eternal.

[tawny garden]

Rover kickstarted the Big Bang

[hot zephyr]

The universe is just his suggestion

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

Create a Universe

The current state of non-existence is boring and non-interesting for anyone to experience. Having a Universe instead would be a lot more engaging for users.

[hot zephyr]

Add the star

so I can star the universe

Were we all suggested by Rover, then?

[radiant meadow]

no

[hot zephyr]

ok ben

[sturdy geyser]

yes

ben is WRONG

[hollow shell]

(The grand-scale Don't was written shortly after I suggested that. A shame.)

[unreal viper]

Darn it.

[sturdy geyser]

idk a universe isnt that big if you really think about

i think its fine

[unreal viper]

No armor Suggs, no detailed reworks

[summer sentinel]

Looks like it has been implemented, neat

[proper grail]

Heh

My strategy is "take other suggestions I like, and rewrite them" usually

[tawny garden]

my strategy is to do nothing for 5 months and then sugg smth

apparently

[proper grail]

Valid honestly

[whole sedge]

My strategy is to do nothing.

[unreal star]

make it so you can pet the clam

[sour whale]

Draedon's boss music should be titled "beats by Draedon"

[tawny garden]

no

[sour whale]

no fun*

[hollow shell]

Yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/661721352545501208.png?v=1

[sleek turret]

no funny suggestions.

[sand umbra]

it really does
a lot of Calamity's weaker points come from things it tries to bootleg from other games
because they don't work in Terraria's context in their base forms nor does Calamity make the changes necessary for them to work

[crude geode]

Me: says something about Calamity's design
Thomas: Allow me to introduce myself.

[sand umbra]

yeeeeeees

hello

[pine star]

Hello

[sleek turret]

I like your words, funny sugg man.

[proper grail]

Hold up. That's an AJR reference. I'm literally listening to Weak at this very moment. Funny, but still not allowed.

[sleek turret]

nah make draedon theme just a midi made on anvil studio for the doom moment (gonna use it for a wad so ech)

[crude geode]

@sand umbra I assume you feel that weather mechanics are stupid as hell and need reworking?

[hollow shell]

I may be becoming jaded but I am wondering what mechanics could be introduced to Terraria that would work well?

[hot zephyr]

Honestly?

More differences between worlds

[hollow shell]

What, if anything, fits Terraria?
(considering people already dislike what vanilla does to itself)

Maybe, yeah. Maybe that.

[hot zephyr]

Similar to how Crimson/Corruption works

[sand umbra]

yeah

[hot zephyr]

Before Calamity butchered the shit out of it

[sand umbra]

weather mechanics are a good concept but
they need a good deal of work

can't suggest it though because haha funny grand scale

[crude geode]

Considering world differences is something actually decent in vanilla that Calamity spits on, byech that's been said and done and I wanna let Thomas rant

[hot zephyr]

They shouldn't be instagibs that are easily bypassed

[sand umbra]

me when I get Thanos snapped for being in the wrong place at the wrong time

[pine star]

Maybe suggest a change to one aspect of the weather mechanics, and work piece by piece?

[sand umbra]

[pine star]

[crude geode]

me when I walk outside in a t-shirt and sweats in winter: ah well, too cold, time to instantly die

[hot zephyr]

Weather changes aren't grand scale IMO

[sand umbra]

actually

[hot zephyr]

They're a minor mechanic of a single mode

[sand umbra]

can I get away with asking for a rework of Death's weather mechanics to be less instagibs and more like
reasonable

[crude geode]

Thomas prying his weather rework suggest from his long doc since he realizes he may be able to get away with it

I mean

A rage rework was just suggested and approved iirc

[sand umbra]

is that something that actually manages to fit without hitting the fat well actually this don't says otherwise

[pine star]

A rage rework got approved by several devs

So maybe, weather reworks can get in

[crude geode]

Weather is just one mechanic. It's not like wanting Calamity to rebalance hardmode or something

Frankly I think that don't really needs more fine tuning and a few examples. As "grand scale rework/reconsiderations" immediately shuts down any discussions, even if it's desperately needed, like rage rework

[pine star]

yeah

That said, the rage rework getting approved could be the first brick knocked out of the wall

[crude geode]

indeed

Personally, I feel as though everything else besides the last example in that don't is well worded

"a new boss, new difficulty mode, new biome, new event, new class, or grand-scale reworks / reconsiderations"

the others are very clear and easy to understand, but the last piece is so difficult and vague

[sand umbra]

and a lot of people use it as a catch-all to shoot down shit they don't want happening

[crude geode]

indeed
@hollow shell Considering the rage rework was just approved by devs, can we maybe discuss refining that grand scale rework don't?

[hollow shell]

mmm

I would've thought Rage would fall under that but I think a lot of devs dislike how Rage works anyways

I know something like "Rework the entirety of rogue class" wouldn't fly

[crude geode]

I think the difference is how much it affects the player-base, and is pretty much a mutual feeling amongst the community as a whole

Like, not everyone would like a suggestion that's just "rework the entirety of rogue class", but nobody dislikes the idea of a rage rework, because it is in such a abysmal spot right now.

[hot zephyr]

The grand scale rule is kinda funny, seeing as while most can agree what's "grand", it's still pretty subjective

I would've thought the Rage rework was grand but

[worthy lintel]

its a single bar most people aren't capable of using

[whole sedge]

using rage usually gets me killed thus causing more physical rage so uh not good

[hollow shell]

I mean

Prolly could've shot this sugg down too
#suggestions-voting message

[worthy lintel]

yea no this one is very vague

[crude geode]

fuck
The grand scale rework portion is pretty much the only subjective thing in that list of things

[worthy lintel]

its the truth but its too vague

[crude geode]

Rip my dreams of late hm not being Weapon Outclass the Movie

byech, I don't think it's really good for something that subjective to be in the don'ts. It stifles creativity, and the suggestion can always be shutdown if the devs don't like it.

[hollow shell]

We could get rid of that exact wording and instead add more examples to the list

[crude geode]

That would be better imo

[hot zephyr]

Good idea

[crude geode]

Any don't being open to interpretation just leads to people religiously enforcing the rule, and arguments starting about what is or isn't grand scale.

[hot zephyr]

Mind if I fly a thought I had by ya'll?

[hollow shell]

Sure

[crude geode]

go ahead

[worthy lintel]

[hot zephyr]

What if player inflicted debuffs got stronger as you inflict more unique debuffs onto enemies. IE; if you inflict On Fire, Cursed Flames, and Holy Inferno onto an enemy, the damage dealt by all three are increased.

As you'd stack debuffs, the stronger they'd become

[hollow shell]

Multiplicative DoTs 👀

[hot zephyr]

Yes

Or if we're getting even crazier

[worthy lintel]

haha flasks go brrrr

[hot zephyr]

What if inflicting certain combinations of debuffs would combine them into a new, stronger debuff.

[crude geode]

flasks were a mistake
...so like elemental mix but for more things?

and cooler?

[hot zephyr]

Kinda

Mix different DoTs for greater strength

[pine star]

Elemental Mix is just 4 debuffs with 1 icon

[distant gyro]

elementla mix isn't real

[pine star]

This idea is literally mixing debuffs

[hot zephyr]

[worthy lintel]

cursed holy abyssal inferno

[distant gyro]

it's just 4 debuffs being inflicted at once

[crude geode]

true

byech

Debuffs not boring? Pog?

[distant gyro]

it's only collaged by the wiki

[hollow shell]

It's a neat idea

[hot zephyr]

it's funny talk for the wiki editors didn't want to write down four debuffs

[hollow shell]

I mean

They did

[hot zephyr]

I can't believe there's wiki-exclusive debuffs

Ah, misread

[pine star]

It's an excellent idea IMO

[hollow shell]

It's literally four debuffs on the weapon

[hot zephyr]

Fixed it

[hollow shell]

That's better

but yeah that change would make even the weakest debuffs worth it

2 damage every tick
results in doubled DoT damage instead

[hot zephyr]

It'd also encourage using multiple weapons to coat different debuffs

[hollow shell]

20 damage every tick
is
20 times

[worthy lintel]

On Fire! being useful?

[crude geode]

of course, weapons would have to be changed to not inflict practically every debuff ever

[hollow shell]

And that is a good thing

[crude geode]

it's really dumb that they do that now

byeah

[worthy lintel]

then 1.4 comes and you get frostburn and acid venom

[crude geode]

ironically, I think someone could consider this a debuff grand scale rework, but I think it's fine because like...who likes any other debuff besides Cursed Inferno and Ichor

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

How's that?

[crude geode]

seems good
granted, @sand umbra may just randomly post a 5 paragraph essay on weather effects in calamity before you can even think about writing a google doc

[hot zephyr]

[pine star]

haha ech

[hot zephyr]

Thomas, move that shit to Feedzuh's doc or I'm going to twist you into a pretzel and fondue you.

[hollow shell]

You should prolly provide an example or two in your suggestion of what you mean, so it's easier to understand

[cobalt pewter]

Man I just woke up even

Passing out isn't epic

[sand umbra]

the fuck do you mean move to Feedzuh's doc

[cobalt pewter]

LOLE

Wait

What

You made something on weather already, tom?

[crude geode]

I joked about Thomas having a 5 paragraph essay about deathmode weather hidden away

[cobalt pewter]

[sand umbra]

fuck you I'll make my own doc with blackjack and Girl Scout cookies

[crude geode]

bc he has strong opinions on everything

[pine star]

why those things specifically

[sand umbra]

blackjack because it's part of the joke and Girl Scout cookies because I haven't had Peanut Butter Patties in fuckin' forever okay I need my fill

[pine star]

oh

Yeah

Girl Scout cookies are excellent

[cobalt pewter]

😔

[crude geode]

~~we have found Thomas' addiction ~~

[sand umbra]

I have a lot of addictions

[crude geode]

This reminds me of when me and Thomas posted the same sugg at the same time

[sand umbra]

one of them is ripping apart people in this channel

[hollow shell]

Aight I meant actual numerical examples but that's also okay

[sand umbra]

is it a problem? probably but I don't care

[hot zephyr]

What

You want numerical examples?

[sand umbra]

also like

[hot zephyr]

Ain't that like... something that shouldn't be done

[hollow shell]

... yes, the thing that you're advocating for in the suggestion, the multiplication of DoT values

[crude geode]

You could mention Oiled Ian.

[cobalt pewter]

DoTs just need to be unique in general

[sand umbra]

wouldn't this just nuke Oiled

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

Cursed

You fool

[sand umbra]

because this is like the entire point of Oiled

[cobalt pewter]

Oiled is meme

[hot zephyr]

I already edited that in five minutes ago

[cobalt pewter]

lole

[crude geode]

listen

[sand umbra]

which Calamity adds to like

[hot zephyr]

Fuck Oiled, it's a shit debuff that's OOA exclusive

[sand umbra]

at least two weapons

[crude geode]

There's two convos going on here

[cobalt pewter]

God pre 1.4 oiled is like

[hot zephyr]

Except for like

[cobalt pewter]

Really arbitrary

[hot zephyr]

Two weapons

That I've never used

Nor will ever use

[hollow shell]

A numerical example wouldn't be against the specificity Don't because you're just doing math with pre-existing numbers

[hot zephyr]

That's the thing though

[hollow shell]

"For example, having On Fire (##), Cursed Inferno (##), and Frostburn (##) inflicted on one enemy would result in a DoT of ###"

Unless you and I have a different idea on how multiplication works

[hot zephyr]

It doesn't necessarily have to multiplicative, even if that's how I worded it

[crude geode]

I would word it as "combine and be buffed" then

[hot zephyr]

They already combine, technically

Ah

How's this, then

[crude geode]

that makes sense to me at a glance

[hollow shell]

That's better

[hot zephyr]

The problem with just multiplicative damage is it'd be really difficult to balance

[hollow shell]

You should probably explicitly state in your reason that some debuffs become incredibly useless by the end of the game

Or even shortly after they're introduced

Or even
upon introduction

[crude geode]

Holy Flames 31 dps in Post ML

sorry 25 dps

[cobalt pewter]

Can we talk about just bland most of these debuffs are?

They only like do dot and that's it

[hollow shell]

Poisoned
2 DPS

Inflicted by a post-Plantera weapon and accessory

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe small stuff like cutting def or DR, but that's super minor it's irrelevant

Crush Depth should be the role model for dot debuffs

[hot zephyr]

DoT debuffs need bonus, secondary effects as well

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell bruhmentum sugg

[crude geode]

how is crush depth a role model? It doesn't seem interesting to me, at least

[cobalt pewter]

It's more the fact of making them a lot more variable on specific conditions to me

[hollow shell]

@daring imp Master Mode is mentioned in the Don'ts doc in pins. Don't make suggs about it until 1.4 drops

[sleek turret]

no future content suggs.

or 1.4 suggs.

[cobalt pewter]

It does something to the dot of the debuff, rather than just adding a secondary effect

It's not just "haha you deal x dps" it's more "here, you can deal y dps but it'll go weaker the stronger your target's defense is" or something along the line

[hollow shell]

(hang on I'm gonna merge the Master Mode Don't with the future content Don't real quick)

[cobalt pewter]

Though DoTs are just that bad you need something multiple bosses past in order to have a significant effect

[heady lichen]

DoT class when

[crude geode]

I've never used depth crush weapons that much so I can't really say about how interesting it is to actually use.

[hot zephyr]

No

[heady lichen]

honestly it would be pretty interesting to have weapons that have their damage loaded on their DoTs instead of their base damage

kinda like the shellfish staff

you exchange slightly lower dps for more mobility accesories

[crude geode]

That...should just be how debuff weapons work in weapons. Less base damage, but inflicting unique debuffs.

[heady lichen]

the problem is all the current debuffs do jack shit damage for their tier

[crude geode]

I've used Undine's Retribution, but I've never really noticed/cared about the debuff because it has a attack that matters infinitely more.

[heady lichen]

honestly I might have to make a sugg to flesh out DoT in general more

[crude geode]

...

[heady lichen]

it's such a wasted concept

[crude geode]

look at posting

[heady lichen]

oh I know

it's just that that sugg makes it so that you can do more situational dps with DoT, I'm thinking of making DoT actually do shit

[crude geode]

Prolly wouldn't be the best idea but eh, you do you

[heady lichen]

I still don't see why debuffs make up about 2% of your dps other than early hardmode shellfish claps

[crude geode]

2% is generous

but it's because every weapon every inflicts it, but doesn't have decreased damage to compensate

[hollow shell]

Vanilla debuffs are poorly designed because they have equal effect on the player as they do on enemies

Despite the fact that enemy health scales way harder than player health does throughout the game

[crude geode]

also this ^

[heady lichen]

(which have thousands of times more hp than the player)

(becoming tens-hundreds of thousands later)

honestly why not have debuffs just do %max health damage

[sand umbra]

that is an awful idea

[crude geode]

^

[sand umbra]

take it from someone who has made debuffs do percentage-based damage in the past

they are the fucking worst to balance

[heady lichen]

oh I just realized yeah

stacking

and using no damage accs

scratch the %max hp damage thing

[crude geode]

I think the current debuff suggestion is a good start

[heady lichen]

yeah, I might suggest in a few days to not make it a chain sugg

[hollow shell]

Add a new class which deals no/tiny direct damage but can inflict HP%-based DoTs
and really fuck over any cross-classing with it for balance reasons

[heady lichen]

[crude geode]

great idea rover

[heady lichen]

but seriously DoT class (no max hp damage) sounds pretty decent

[crude geode]

you get a gold star
this is why we need to clone you

[heady lichen]

focused on mobility sacrificing damage

since you can't exactly increase the damage DoT does other than adding more DoTs

anyways I'm getting off topic, I'll leave

[hollow shell]

(Commission DivermanSam and friends to make it happen)

[heady lichen]

ah yes the funni +3 classes

[hollow shell]

(They did Clicker Class for fun, so let's pay em to do our bidding)

[heady lichen]

to be honest I have the money to throw away, but I feel like I'll have failed as a human if I do it

[hollow shell]

That's fair

[sand umbra]

hope you like your class being absolute shit against normal enemies or way too strong against bosses

percentage-based DoTs are a nightmare to balance because of how they work

[crude geode]

percentage based damage is a nightmare to balance in general

[sand umbra]

the final boss will take just as long as the first boss with the same debuff

[heady lichen]

balance (tm)

[sand umbra]

I have one and only one debuff in DD that can do percentage damage and that is its entire fucking gimmick that's supposed to make it compete with Ichor and the planned CI rework
and that thing alone is a pain to know if I'm balancing properly

[hollow shell]

(hey, it would add variety in how the class is played compared to other classes. A different gameplay experience with how damage is dealt)

[sand umbra]

having more than one just sounds like death incarnate

[heady lichen]

because variety is always a good thing

[hollow shell]

Hell yeah

Actually that's a thought

[daring imp]

i f* tried

[hollow shell]

Go like The Shocklord from LISA The Painful
You can only use 1 attack throughout the entire game

Inflicts a DoT which deals 0.5% (or 1%) of enemy HP per second

[sand umbra]

that's still any boss at all done in a maximum of 100 seconds i.e. 1:40 (3:20 if 0.5%)

[hollow shell]

Yeah you'd be fine at killing bosses but the interim would be a horrible slog.

This is balance.

[cobalt pewter]

Also DoT like that would be

Kinda pain on brain and cv

Actually maybe on eow as well

[distant gyro]

purity break is a mistake @sand umbra

[crystal iron]

Ik im a bit late but why not make it scale with progression or smth like that

[hot zephyr]

Oh boy I can't wait to deal %1 health/sec against a green slime

This is totally not a bad idea

[hollow shell]

I mean if you think about it

SCal, DoG, Yharon probably wouldn't take that much longer than they normally do, even if you deal equal %-health-per-second to them as you do King Slime
Considering their invulnerability periods and multiple phases

Honestly it might even be..

equal

to normal play

[hot zephyr]

Rover

Consider the following

[sand umbra]

DoG would be over in like 2 minutes

[hot zephyr]

How the fuck do you get weapon upgrades for the class that don't automatically powercreep

[hollow shell]

You don't.

You have the one weapon.

[hot zephyr]

One weapon

The entire game

NO BLOAT

[hollow shell]

Yes.

No bloat.

[distant gyro]

dog would be over in no time, if all segments are vulnerable

[hollow shell]

This is ideal.

[hot zephyr]

N O B L O A T

God, I love this idea

[sand umbra]

DoG would need to have only his head/tail vulnerable to whatever debuff

otherwise you could proc it on every segment and he's dead in like 2 seconds

[hot zephyr]

Rover, let's make this class. I'll do the sprites, you do the code.

[hollow shell]

You'll do the sprite*

[hot zephyr]

You do the (four lines of) code

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[hot zephyr]

What's the weapon gonna be

[hollow shell]

I have VisualStudio, I probably could legitimately create this

[distant gyro]

.

[hollow shell]

Seriously let's go to #other-mod-talk (also so this discussion doesn't.. happen in suggs)

[cobalt pewter]

Either way I need to get my ass checked out and actually write funne stuff about weather

[hollow shell]

What do you mean by "actual debuffs"?
You say it multiple times, in contrast with DoT debuffs

[crystal iron]

Well DoT's are debuffs yes but something that actually outs you at a disadvantage feels more DoT's you can just drink a potion or do some life steal or regenerate but with things like slowness or smth it's more disadvantagous

Therefore it feels more like a debuff

Ok what I mean

DoT aren't exactly proper debuffs because u can easily regenerate but smth like slowness puts you at an actual disadvantage so it's more of a debuff that let's say on fire

[golden narwhal]

Well, DoTs generally disable most regen, and lifesteal isn't so common that it's a direct counter to it

And other debuffs can also be further negated, e.g. slowness doesn't affect top acceleration

[crystal iron]

Ye ik, but that was just an example at the top of my head, but u can't disagree that idk, brimstone flames should be more unique, cuz it's the main debuff of the game

[golden narwhal]

Yea, DoTs are boring for the most part

[cobalt pewter]

Playing around DoT could be somewhat interesting (e.g. an example I said about Crush Depth)

Hell, maybe cal Electrified could like, spread the damage to enemies near the target as well

[earnest cape]

it scares me that this reminds me of the living wasteland debuff

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah

Generally more interesting DoTs are in order

[crystal iron]

Or just like, not even DoTs

[heady lichen]

Including player ones

[crystal iron]

Just smth more unique, like idk, the pufferfish effect from Minecraft

Or smth

Something that doesn't affect the player directly

Maybe inverted colours or smth

Or like screen shaking

Or entities are less visible

Idk

[crude geode]

Odd Mushroom 2, now with more seizures

[earnest cape]

[pine star]

[distant vault]

[frozen storm]

+100% dmg boost

[eternal escarp]

i dont see wulfrum bad at all

[gaunt quest]

Wulfrum is supposed to be kinda low end though lol

[eternal escarp]

i always get enough before i farm cnidrions / fight DS

[gaunt quest]

Though it is another name for tungsten so why is it worse then tungsten

[eternal escarp]

so i use it early on, its supposed to be disposed early

[eternal escarp]

terraria logic

¯_(ツ)_/¯

copper pick can break demonite on surface

[glad tundra]

yea but its kinda pointless to use

[eternal escarp]

i mean, thats the point kinda

[gaunt quest]

Demonite doesn't spawn on the surface though

[eternal escarp]

its not supposed to be great

[glad tundra]

also

[gaunt quest]

Demonite*

[eternal escarp]

i mean, yeah, but you know what i meant

[glad tundra]

it can only be mined in the middle of the world with a copper pick

[eternal escarp]

.

[glad tundra]

what

[eternal escarp]

the point was terraria's logic is wierd

[glad tundra]

yea

[eternal escarp]

wulfrum isnt supposed to be great

its basically an "if you have trouble, you might get a bit of a boost to help you"

[jaunty pasture]

I think wulfrum is ok for start

[eternal escarp]

^

[cobalt pewter]

It's not that Wulfrum is really bad

It's just that Victide placement is stupid

[eternal escarp]

^

true

[distant gyro]

evil bars can be obtained on evil islands

[eternal escarp]

victide armour shouldnt be that early tbh

[distant gyro]

because relogic

[eternal escarp]

hah, code

[gaunt quest]

Victide is so easy to get that there is no reason for wulfrum to exist lol with victide placement

[distant gyro]

something something if it's above the surface it can be mined with any pick

[tawny garden]

aaaaaand start the evil islands rant...

[eternal escarp]

lets not before a certain someone will start a big rant

[distant gyro]

anyway

[eternal escarp]

no idea who will be that certain someone tbh byeah

[glad tundra]

pretty sure they are moving shards to post DS

[jaunty pasture]

question

[distant gyro]

wulfrum armor should just inherit rover drive

[eternal escarp]

wulfrum is fine for when it is available

[glad tundra]

yes

[distant gyro]

or something else cool

[jaunty pasture]

this is not a rant but why would you want opposite evil ore

[eternal escarp]

the problem imo is the victide

[distant gyro]

but wulfrum is intentionally mid preboss

[eternal escarp]

dunno, decoration..?

[eternal escarp]

^ its very disposable, but agian

victide cringe

[glad tundra]

dunno,incase demonite makes something better?

[distant gyro]

I do think victide is a bit overrated

and it's also intended to be late pre-boss / free post-ds

[tawny garden]

I never got it
and I was fine without it

[distant gyro]

if you take the game slowly then you will appreciate wulfrum more

[eternal escarp]

^

exactly

especially new players

they have way more chances to get it

because they prolly dont know what they should, and with a KS, they will prolly try that first

and while exploring the surface like you should tbh

they will come across wulfrums, ask the guide (or recipe browser) and see a new weapon / armour "type"

they wont have an idea what victide is, they will get wulfrum

if you think like this

im seeing wulfrum way more used

and also i always somehow get wulfrum before victide

[distant gyro]

I think it's fine for victide to be pre-boss but since the armor takes like 2 cnidrion kills it's a bit easier

[eternal escarp]

2 cnidrions with luck ig

it should take more / cnidrions should drop less imo until DS has been defeated

[distant gyro]

the whole victide set is just not very costly

[eternal escarp]

since victide kinda feels like cheesing imo, even if DS and SK are easy af fight

its like, 7 bars?

for the set?

[worthy lintel]

whole set is 13 bars

[eternal escarp]

huh

well, its still very low price anyways

[gaunt quest]

Honestly I am confused at why 3 things drop victory shards lol all at different points in the game

[eternal escarp]

judging how each cnidrion can drop like, 1-3 victide bars (technically)

victory shard are wierd imo, why DS, cnidrions and EoC?

just bizzare, since its not their carfting material

[distant gyro]

12 bars, average 6 kills

[eternal escarp]

its mostly for lore items and some pre hm unique weapons

[gaunt quest]

Like in all reality I don't think cnidiron or ds makes sense to drop them

[eternal escarp]

in all reality, i dont see neither of the 3 really dropping them myself

doesnt make sense imo

[gaunt quest]

Killing a demon is more of an accomplishment then killing a dried up sea horse or a dried up worm

[distant gyro]

this is more for another day but the desert is decentralized as hell and victide is one of them

[eternal escarp]

desert is like, the core of early game yeah

[worthy lintel]

if only the cnidrions were harder to kill

[eternal escarp]

if only

[worthy lintel]

poor fella can literally be beat by jumping and making a wood platform

[eternal escarp]

they litterly just spew and walk tbh

[gaunt quest]

Cnidrions new secret boss next update

[eternal escarp]

seriously tho, to make victide less of a cringy overused cheese

cnidrions should get a real small buff imo

would make wulfrum more viable aswell

[worthy lintel]

that, or lock victide set behind EoC

or at the very least scourge

[eternal escarp]

should be behind scourge imo

byeah

[gaunt quest]

Increase the materials needed for victide bars also imo

Well the gear I mean not the bars

Because like what the most expensive item is like 5?

[distant gyro]

12 but that's way past its tier

[worthy lintel]

most expensive belongs to fathom swarmer

and its considered

[gaunt quest]

Oh right forgot that existed

I am refering to the base stuff

[worthy lintel]

in this case yes

[distant gyro]

weapons cost 2 accs cost 5

[gaunt quest]

Way too cheap

[eternal escarp]

the shield is 5, yeah

im prty sure

[distant gyro]

i think the idea is alright, being "you could get it pre-boss of you work hard enough but you can get it in way less time if you just beat ds and get it free"

[tawny garden]

wait a sec, which sugg are y'all talking about

[distant gyro]

buff wulfrum, deleted

[gaunt quest]

Originally a wulfrum one but it's gone now we got side tracked with victide

[tawny garden]

m

[gaunt quest]

M lol

[eternal escarp]

tbh i dont mind if victide is available rpe-boss

[tawny garden]

fuck, I didn't say "m" before, but Rover influenced me somehow 👀

[eternal escarp]

its just that it is too easy to get it for the average player

[worthy lintel]

also, shield of the ocean is busted pre-boss

👀

[gaunt quest]

Lock it post ds increase how many bars you need for items then boom

[eternal escarp]

ikr

[gaunt quest]

It's better

[eternal escarp]

why increase the bars

if its post DS

[gaunt quest]

Because cheap

[eternal escarp]

i mean, the problem isnt that it is cheap

[worthy lintel]

just remove victory shards from cnidrion drop pool

problem solved

[eternal escarp]

the problem is that you can it easily

[eternal escarp]

yeah agreed tbh

this just fixes it, while still making victide easier after DS

[tawny garden]

items shouldn't be balanced by how tedious they are to get

[eternal escarp]

since u frankly get way more shards then resources

[gaunt quest]

Yah why does cnidrion even drop victory shards lol

I get some bosses dropping them because you got a victory over them but why some random dried up sea horse

[eternal escarp]

tbh i think just deleting it from cnidrions drop pool fixes most of these problems

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[eternal escarp]

litterly as easy as that (?)

[worthy lintel]

literally

[eternal escarp]

whos gonna suggest?

im not gonna my spelling is cringe

[cobalt pewter]

P sure already sugged

[eternal escarp]

oh

[cobalt pewter]

Lemme check

[worthy lintel]

i sugged 6 days ago

i can do it

[eternal escarp]

do it

for the better of us

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

[gaunt quest]

eoc honestly doesn't need to drop them if ds does

[tawny garden]

didn't go anywhere

[cobalt pewter]

smh philo

[eternal escarp]

yeah i starred it

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

time to reeepost? or is it not allowed yet?

[worthy lintel]

ok no its too recent

ima repost later

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[tawny garden]

I'm always a step ahead

[eternal escarp]

we can wait a few

[gaunt quest]

Does eoc really need to drop the shards also when ds drops quite a few of them

[eternal escarp]

eh

[worthy lintel]

not at all really

[eternal escarp]

not really tbh

[worthy lintel]

feels like an oversight

[eternal escarp]

victory shard are just plain wierd imo

they fit no where ingame

the only place id say they fit

is if every boss dropped them

but thattl just be useless

[worthy lintel]

they're only dropped from 2 bosses but they're used to make ALL lore items

[eternal escarp]

^

[worthy lintel]

[eternal escarp]

exactly

[tawny garden]

and kinda strange tbh as well

[eternal escarp]

thats why i think the only place they will fit is if every boss dropped them

[worthy lintel]

just make bosses drop a single victory shard instead and reduce lore item recipe

[eternal escarp]

maybe excluding KS

[gaunt quest]

Have every boss drop victory shards but remove them from victide recipe and have some new material drop from Ds that you use to make them

Then their only purpose is lore items

[worthy lintel]

they also make acceleration rounds

[gaunt quest]

Why

[tawny garden]

good question

[gaunt quest]

Why is victory shards in some sea related item recipe

[worthy lintel]

they also make superball bullets for some reason

🤫

[gaunt quest]

Victory shards are tbh material bloat

Anyway imma head off now enjoy the convo about how usless victory shards existance is

[worthy lintel]

its 4 am

i should begone

[eternal escarp]

internet died, theres 2 messages waiting to send which i cant delete because cringecord, sorry if they just send in a random time

byeah victory shard are plain wierd

[distant gyro]

tl;dr on the short end, make victide armor harder to get/post-ds and make wulfrum armor cooler

[gaunt quest]

I came up with an idea to replace them in victide recipe but like I suck at writing so eh

[worthy lintel]

victory shards are an exxo avalon ref so they will never begone

just keep that in mind

[gaunt quest]

It's not worth suggesting anyway because then you got to add another material to the game and that's just lame when the mod already has so many

Don't need to remove them just you know not have them in recipes that don't make sense

Desert scourge skin obviously is a great item name

[eternal escarp]

dried spine

[gaunt quest]

Yes

Replace victory shards with dried spines

Easy

In victide stuff

[tawny garden]

can't suggest specific names 🤫

[eternal escarp]

was pulling a funny because corrosive spine byeah

[distant gyro]

mfw replace a material with another material, there is already a post-ds mat known as sea prism

[gaunt quest]

Oh true

Well there problem solved

[eternal escarp]

make the prism shards more used instead

because i want them to stay and not begone tbh

and they make more sense as a shard replacement imo

[gaunt quest]

I wasn't going to suggest this anyway because a) I suck at writing and b) I didn't actually have a good plan for this lol

[eternal escarp]

and a bit more of a reason to why its related to alot of water recipes (and flurrystorm and stuff ig)

i wont suggest it aswell proly, english bad and this might be too specific

[gaunt quest]

You could say have victide use sunken sea materials to craft instead of victory shards that's not specific lol

[eternal escarp]

eh

ig

maybe

[gaunt quest]

But yah if someone wants to do it go ahead but it's kinda an eh suggestion anyway

[frozen storm]

So Philo is sleeping

[tawny garden]

Z Z Z...

[frozen storm]

So no response

[sleek hornet]

if the froge leg nerf get approved, ill ragequit

[cobalt pewter]

ok

[eternal escarp]

ok

[sharp prism]

[ashen warren]

get real

[frozen storm]

So no one wants to discuss about my suggestion?

Like it is bad or smth

[frail mantle]

if anyone has anything to say about the suggestion they'll say something

[frozen storm]

So it is ok then

[crude geode]

That’s generally how suggs work

Unless your sugg is exclaimed or you’ve been pinged, it’s generally fine

[earnest cape]

oh yeah about suggs I think instead of just disabling cocoon phases while guardians are alive I think her cocoon attack should just be less brutal i.e. less projectiles

so it's not as punishing if the guardian decides to play with you

[tawny garden]

this isn't exactly related to the two suggs, but I'd still like to say this:
the proposed buff reworks are great, but they don't fix one problem with debuffs, which is that all debuffs in the game are completely useless

the only exceptions are Ichor and Cursed Inferno

[cobalt pewter]

Though I'm kinda tired of DoT debuffs only having a flat dps while it gets a separate effect

Like Cursed Inferno, for example

No one sane wants to use it for its DoT

Everyone goes for it because it reduces enemy DR

[tawny garden]

and even Ichor and Cursed Inferno weren't significant enough for me to bother inflicting them

[tranquil perch]

I am this close to suggesting scal being imnune to ichor in exchange of reducing her defense by 20 just for her defense to be a nice and round 100 on wiki page

[tawny garden]

do you have OCD

[cobalt pewter]

[tranquil perch]

Every weapon at that tier already inflicts ichor

[earnest cape]

[tranquil perch]

So its not like it matters

[tawny garden]

in that case I feel you

[tranquil perch]

Idk

[earnest cape]

frog leg increases ascend speed by 48%

how are you feeling

[tranquil perch]

Also please nerf murasama by 1 damage

So i can get 20k Damage

[tawny garden]

gjgffggfhycdfgygfdgtfsedgtfhvghcgftu

[tranquil perch]

Instead of 20001

[tawny garden]

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

Im surprised you didnt notice until now philo

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Local man dies to imperfections

[earnest cape]

it's mentioned in a sugg too

[tawny garden]

cause I never used it, so I didn't see/care

[tranquil perch]

And fiberglass fishing pole has 27% Fishing power

At least they fixed it in JE:echprime:

[tawny garden]

but now you pointed it out

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

y u do dis

[tranquil perch]

[earnest cape]

byeah

[tranquil perch]

Wait

[cobalt pewter]

Back to the uh

Debuffs

[tranquil perch]

Theory: Misfortune is philo's alt

[earnest cape]

the only debuff I find interesting is electrified

[earnest cape]

no I'm a part of his cult

[tranquil perch]

Health deleter

[earnest cape]

heh

[cobalt pewter]

I might try reviewing every single debuffs as well

At least DoTs

[earnest cape]

:fear:

[cobalt pewter]

Because those are literally the blandest ones

[tranquil perch]

Debuff doc release date when

[tawny garden]

no, review all of them pls

[cobalt pewter]

Currently doing stuf with uh

[earnest cape]

don't change electrified it's already perfect; does more the faster you move

[cobalt pewter]

Death mode weather shit

[cobalt pewter]

Fun fact: it does flat dps to enemies

[earnest cape]

:/

let a man dream

[tawny garden]

don't change Distorted, it's perfect

[cobalt pewter]

Distorted bad E C H

[earnest cape]

distorted more like RoD cooldown

[tranquil perch]

Please remove distorted from the game

[cobalt pewter]

Yo, RoD inflicting Distorted 😳

[tranquil perch]

Im sure nobody will miss it

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah

[tranquil perch]

[cobalt pewter]

Debuffs REALLY need to be looked at

[earnest cape]

a weapon that inflicts distorted

[tawny garden]

like seriously, I've never been screwed up by Distorted
if anything, it helped me several times
why is everyone hatin' on it

[earnest cape]

when you inflict it to chaos elementals they can't teleport

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand umbra]

how does Distorted relate to RoD

what

[earnest cape]

when you use it

you get inflicted it

[pine star]

I got my ass kicked in the CV fight because of distorted

[earnest cape]

so you can't just spam rod without any consequences in vanilla

[tawny garden]

that's shit

[sand umbra]

no

that's Chaos State

[earnest cape]

wait what

OHHHHHHH

[tawny garden]

lol did you

[earnest cape]

I had a brain fart

look man

:(

[sand umbra]

Distorted is the terrible debuff that that one Vortex Pillar enemy inflicts

[tawny garden]

and SG core

[earnest cape]

agreed.

[pine star]

And CV dark energies

[sand umbra]

or, for a much more readily recognizable load of bullshit, the terrible debuff that the Slime God's Core inflicts

[pine star]

That's the sole reason I hate Distorted

[earnest cape]

hey at least you can get grav normalizers before pillars and cv

[pine star]

SG Core distorted wasn't too bad

[earnest cape]

tide pod be tide pod

[sand umbra]

it's awful

[eternal escarp]

tbh i see more problem in CVs distorted tbh

[earnest cape]

you can get stun locked with it

[tawny garden]

explain why

[sand umbra]

CV Distorted ain't shit

[eternal escarp]

SG's doesnt really do much imo

[sand umbra]

just chug a Grav Normalizer Potion

[eternal escarp]

i mean yeah

[pine star]

I know you can
(that's how I died to CV before I knew Grav Normalizers existed)

[eternal escarp]

but assuming they dont exist

[sand umbra]

bam, Distorted immunity

you can't assume they don't exist they're like 15 bosses prior to CV

[earnest cape]

thank god grav normalizers exists

[tranquil perch]

You literally get combo'ed to death

[earnest cape]

unless you hook ofc

[eternal escarp]

fair

[earnest cape]

beyah

[tawny garden]

can't move with Distorted? git gud

[sand umbra]

literally the only counterplay to Distorted is to use a hook

[earnest cape]

quite literally

[sand umbra]

and if you get hit in the air that ain't happenin'

so you're just stuck there and you have to float there like an idiot risking a stunlock-style combo from being unable to move

all because you dared to actually get hit

[earnest cape]

"Just don't get hit 4head"

[heady comet]

that prov suggestion is pretty good...

[tranquil perch]

Yes

[eternal escarp]

it was suggested before

[tranquil perch]

No more getting deleted by cocoon phase + guardian

Because the way you dodge cocoon phase is very different from guardians

[earnest cape]

assuming it gets through

[pine star]

yeah
That's kinda how Provi kicked my ass

[tawny garden]

should've actually uploaded that image instead of linking it cuz bot funny

[sand umbra]

that can be arranged

[frozen storm]

hell be like before obsidian potion - fuck you

so true

literally you are useless when blizzard is going on

[cobalt pewter]

I don't have to finish the weather doc then pogu

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

that's assuming Thomas' sugg will be end be all and get to implementation as soon as it's thrown to voting

[crude geode]

Hey that message seems familiar. Can’t place it tho ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt pewter]

Hoooo boy

The Frog Leg sugg isn't going anywhere much so far

[tawny garden]

did you expect it to?

[earnest cape]

:)

[cobalt pewter]

I mean obviously I would a bit but like, I don't expect people to star that anyways, people don't like nerfs

Especially when it's about

That

[tawny garden]

I've said that, on my memory, only one nerf sugg went through to devs

one

[earnest cape]

god

[tawny garden]

all others failed, and there were quite a few

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

AH, NO, IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH

#suggestions-voting message

[eternal escarp]

it did get implemented tho

[tawny garden]

yeah, but it didn't reach 200

was an instant flag

[eternal escarp]

still taking that as a W for nerfs

[earnest cape]

(also you can do <(link)> to disable link embed)

[tawny garden]

lol I know that