suggestions-discussion

[earnest cape]

pog

[cobalt pewter]

It's fixed in 1.5

[hot zephyr]

If Frog Leg is going to be nerfed, I feel like there needs to be more competent options throughout progression

[cobalt pewter]

268 - Fixed jump speed boost tooltips to make them 100% accurate with the amount of jump speed the items actually grant. - Done

[earnest cape]

frog leg stacking was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my whole life

[tawny garden]

yes

variety™️

[hot zephyr]

IE: Heavily buff Grand Gelatin

[tawny garden]

e.g., not i.e.

[cobalt pewter]

I can't recall what ie is

[crude geode]

buff grand gelatin? What?

[tawny garden]

i.e. is "create a lot of new stuff"

[earnest cape]

imo grand gelating is fine lol

[hot zephyr]

You get the gist

[cobalt pewter]

Also yeah

Frog Leg singlehandedly made other jump speed boosts irrelevant when not stacked

[hot zephyr]

(Grand Gelatin needs a rework thought tbh)

[crude geode]

Grand Gelatin is already like one of the more worthwhile accessories in hardmode why tf does it need a buff

[earnest cape]

it's a stat stick atm

[hot zephyr]

It's not good

[crude geode]

erase stat sticks

[hot zephyr]

It's literally worse frog leg

[earnest cape]

no

[eternal escarp]

tbh i use it when i have a free slot

thats it

other then that i never really used it

[tawny garden]

tbh i use it never

[hot zephyr]

Life and Mana jelly need buffs.

[crude geode]

I never use frog leg Bc it’s ech

[tawny garden]

they do

[crude geode]

to me

[hot zephyr]

Or reworks entirely

[eternal escarp]

heresy

[earnest cape]

grand gelatin needs a buff ye, but it's so minor imo it's not needed imo

[eternal escarp]

^

thats it tbh

its meh

but it kinda works atleast

we dont want it to be broken suddenly

[crude geode]

It’s less atrocious than

Say

[earnest cape]

also yes rework the individual jellies

[eternal escarp]

cue frogleg

[crude geode]

Leviathan Ambergris

[earnest cape]

no

[pine star]

byeah

[tawny garden]

fuck now it's
hard to discern whether I said something or if it was misfortune

[earnest cape]

we don't speak about that

bad

[eternal escarp]

ah yes, ambergis

[earnest cape]

the red

from ur hat

[tawny garden]

yes but

[eternal escarp]

ikr, its actually hard

[hot zephyr]

Make Grand Gelatin give less jump speed, but also have it give bonus health regen, mana regen and reduced mana consumption so it isn't just Vital Jelly 2

[eternal escarp]

actually

that works

i think?

[earnest cape]

hmmmms

I'm getting mixed feelings

[hot zephyr]

Because for a combination accessory it's other parts really don't mean anything

[earnest cape]

jump speed sacrificed for regen

[eternal escarp]

shitter then frog leg on that front, but the other fronts get a buff

[earnest cape]

mmmmmmmm

[crude geode]

I find it overall to be kinda nice tbh

[hot zephyr]

Because the extra 20 health and mana does jack shit

[eternal escarp]

true, yeah

20 health is like

[hot zephyr]

And the jump speed is lesser than Frog Leg.

[tawny garden]

nothin

[eternal escarp]

2-3 regen?

no idea how it works with health count to regen

[crude geode]

regen is quirky

[eternal escarp]

yeah help

[crude geode]

Isn’t that more a problem with frog leg than Grand Gelatin?

[cobalt pewter]

...

That's what I was about to say

lole

Frog Leg singlehandedly set an absurd standard for jump speed

[earnest cape]

jump GOD as no hitters call it

[heady storm]

Taking away their precious jump god.

[crude geode]

Grand Gelatin is honestly a better stat stick than other stat sticks. It’s very consistent in what it does, regen and jump boost, with no messy 3% buffs or anything

[heady storm]

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

ahem

CRYO STONE

[earnest cape]

wait no

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah HotE is peak cal stat stick

[hot zephyr]

Chetto don't you have some sleep to be doing

[earnest cape]

I only use cryo stone as a material for kelvin

[cobalt pewter]

Too much minor buffs that usually don't matter

[earnest cape]

get that thing out of my face

[heady storm]

I still have work.

[hot zephyr]

Then do that

[heady storm]

Oki.

[hot zephyr]

This is a Moderator Free zone, sorry.

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

[pine star]

Are there any HotE materials that aren't
a. Stat sticks
b. Elemental summons

[crude geode]

Pretty sure suggestion discussion is the complete opposite

Nope, not a single one

[cobalt pewter]

Nope

[hot zephyr]

Suggestors have succeeded from Calamain and is now self governed.

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

well, it's not like I expected anything more

[crude geode]

You ever used Bloom Stone on it’s own? Answer: Fuck no

[heady storm]

Saying stuff like this is what makes me want to come back though.

[hot zephyr]

damn

[earnest cape]

reverse psychology amirite

[cobalt pewter]

I should probably

Isolate HotE changes I proposed in the ongoing acc doc and made it into a sugg or smth

[eternal escarp]

ian's mission failed

we will get them next time

[heady storm]

At the same time, I could just get Brav in here to substitute.

[crude geode]

Ian trying to be free of moderators is backfiring

[eternal escarp]

yes

imagine if ian became a mod tho

[hot zephyr]

Just like every revolutionary state, crushed by authority

[crude geode]

Imagine changing HoTE when Leviathan Ambergris exists

[cobalt pewter]

Ian mod would be

Chaos

[crude geode]

Indeed

[hot zephyr]

[heady storm]

Let's all focus on the main topic here though; suggestions.

[earnest cape]

[hot zephyr]

Jump God

best god

[eternal escarp]

jump GOD*

[heady storm]

Byeah jump god death suggestion is a thing?

[crude geode]

Suggest a change to HoTE @cobalt pewter

[tawny garden]

no

[crude geode]

indeed

[cobalt pewter]

It's a thing now

[radiant meadow]

HoTE may change next update.

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Oh?

[radiant meadow]

(maybe)

[tawny garden]

don't take away my babies from me

[crude geode]

big maybe

[hot zephyr]

[earnest cape]

we'll still take it

[hot zephyr]

Goodbye elementals.

[earnest cape]

(don't change the waifus or the community will go nuclear)

[cobalt pewter]

Cease horn

[earnest cape]

no

yes horn

[tawny garden]

it will be better off iirc

[crude geode]

That’s just asking for people to get upset

[eternal escarp]

(but the community is just a crystal sprite smh how would it become nuclear)

[radiant meadow]

I don't think you're legally old enough to own children, and if you are, you probably aren't mature enough to own them anyways.

[cobalt pewter]

lole

[eternal escarp]

lol

[crude geode]

fucking rip

[tawny garden]

lol

[hot zephyr]

302 - Removed Elementals. - Done ✅

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

Outrage bigger than Fearmonger or Frog Leg nerf

[earnest cape]

philo being destroyed by facts and logic

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

brimstone elemental boss is gone?
now they will be outragous

[tawny garden]

can't say anything in response to facts

[earnest cape]

tbh idt people use pog leg enough

[crude geode]

No hitters do and they’d prolly whine about it, as well as anyone who crawls out of the woodworks to complain about it

[hot zephyr]

[earnest cape]

well yeah

what no hitter doesn't want to die for this

[cobalt pewter]

Jump GOD

[earnest cape]

Jump GOD indeed

[eternal escarp]

Jump UNIVERSAL GOD

[crude geode]

Anyways can we get off this meme and back onto other suggestions

[tawny garden]

there's one more slot tho

[earnest cape]

ye

oh no

[eternal escarp]

~~amphibian boots in 1.4 ~~

[tawny garden]

to become the true Jump GOD

[eternal escarp]

byeah, back to sugestions

[earnest cape]

what about my repost sugg

it gud?

[tawny garden]

gud

[crude geode]

Yeah

[eternal escarp]

never knew it enrages

[earnest cape]

[eternal escarp]

so

yeah

[crude geode]

Leviathan Ambergris

[eternal escarp]

stop

[earnest cape]

[eternal escarp]

dont

[earnest cape]

I see cursed being typing in #suggestions-posting

I am scared

[hot zephyr]

Run and hide

[cobalt pewter]

Take cover

[pine star]

You better run

[tawny garden]

I'll cover y'all

[eternal escarp]

oh

[earnest cape]

Not only a laughably bad stat stick

[tawny garden]

uh

[earnest cape]

that was underwhelming

[tawny garden]

elaborate more please @crude geode

[eternal escarp]

i mean

[crude geode]

no

[weak field]

Well 15% damage isn't really laughably bad

[tawny garden]

yes

[eternal escarp]

its to the point

[eternal escarp]

when did you ever fight underwater

[weak field]

Providence

[earnest cape]

water arena

[eternal escarp]

except giant clam, which u wont after levi

[weak field]

[eternal escarp]

imagine using water arenas, cringe

[hot zephyr]

le Defiled Run has arrived

[tawny garden]

water arena

[weak field]

Defiled moment

[crude geode]

Imagine using a water arena like a coward

[eternal escarp]

^

fine the sun in hell

youd never stand the heat id bet

and ambergis could easily be switched with an emblem tbh

[tawny garden]

tbh I never used it

[zealous ridge]

This suggestion is less productive and more of a fuck you to a random accessory

soo like

[eternal escarp]

anyone did legit?

[eternal escarp]

i mean, that accesory needs a rework

[tawny garden]

I'd like to look them in the eyes

[eternal escarp]

its really just

[zealous ridge]

It sure does

[eternal escarp]

stupid imo

[earnest cape]

water arena and defiled rune is meme

[eternal escarp]

byeah coulda been worded better

[zealous ridge]

But this is just, fuck this accessory it sucks it’s dumb

like

[cobalt pewter]

A bit aggressive yes

[eternal escarp]

^

[tawny garden]

I already told Cursed to elaborate more

[zealous ridge]

honestly I don’t like how this precedent is being set by calling things stat sticks

[eternal escarp]

i agree with it but, too aggresive and just says fuck u lmao

[tawny garden]

"no" is the response I got

[eternal escarp]

yeah philo did tbh

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

[crude geode]

I have my reasons for it, primary one being that it's boring
I'll elaborate, gimme a moment.

[cobalt pewter]

Lemme see what I had in my acc doc

[eternal escarp]

good

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

[weak field]

What's the base damage of the damaging aura that you gain if you're harmed underwater?

[tawny garden]

not enough

[weak field]

Yeah tbh anything is not enough for such a short ranged thing

The damaging trail has a pathetic 50 base damage and letting anything get this close to you at this point does more harm than good

[cobalt pewter]

had to include Sabaton because xiaomi ss crop is shit

[earnest cape]

too water centric imo tbh iirc

[tawny garden]

buy a better phone smh

[cobalt pewter]

h

[tawny garden]

come on

Xiaomi is known to suck dick

[cobalt pewter]

Xiaomi is cheap but gud on most cases

Byeah

[tawny garden]

byeah

[eternal escarp]

just use prnt screen on laptop smh my head

[crude geode]

Imagine judging people for what they can afford

byech, there you go

[zealous ridge]

Ambergris is such a strange little accessory

Doesn’t it have, like

A seawater movement effect

[weak field]

It basically gives 5% dmg increase and DR

[crude geode]

It's more of the norm of expert mode accessories tbh.

indeed.

[weak field]

You leave behind a damaging trail that does 50 base damage

[zealous ridge]

Honestly that doesn’t sound weak at all

[weak field]

The trail persists for like 10 blocks

[zealous ridge]

But it’s a really weird accessory

[crude geode]

Keep in mind, this is a post plantera accessory.

[zealous ridge]

also just gives random ass boosts

[weak field]

It can do insane damage if you're close to something

[crude geode]

and that if you slap a menacing on any accessory, it basically equals the stat boost

[zealous ridge]

Sure it’s post Levi

[weak field]

But anything that can take this insane damage at this stage is too dangerous to be beneficial to be close to

[crude geode]

if you're not using a cringe water arena

[zealous ridge]

but like, dr and damage boost isn’t too bad

it has the movement effect as well

And in water it gets better

[weak field]

It isn't too good but isn't too bad either

[earnest cape]

5% dr

is ass

[zealous ridge]

regardless

[earnest cape]

ngl

[weak field]

Movement effect basically doesn't matter

Unless you running true melee

[zealous ridge]

I mean it doesn’t sound terrible

[crude geode]

Unless you're specifically using water arenas, it's not going to have an effect.

[dapper violet]

Ambergris exists only to be an ingredient in the Amalagam

[crude geode]

You ever used the thing in any playthrough?

[zealous ridge]

Nope

[weak field]

Slaps desk HOLD ON

[crude geode]

My point stands.

[weak field]

I did

[dapper violet]

you made a poor choice then

[earnest cape]

(ur cringe)

[dapper violet]

it sucks

[weak field]

Switched it to eye of the golem like 5 minutes later

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

[weak field]

I needed the 5 minutes to beat golem ok

[pine star]

[zealous ridge]

Okay, I’m just thinking about what it could do instead lol

[tawny garden]

nothing

[earnest cape]

^

sad but true

[zealous ridge]

I mean

Levi still kind of needs an expert item, no?

[earnest cape]

imaagine having creativity

[zealous ridge]

if there are any other solutions what could it be

[weak field]

Levi do need an expert item yeah but we have no creativity byeah

[crude geode]

water arenas really need to stop existing
I leave it up to the devs, I don't have the brain power to think about that type of thing most of the time

[weak field]

Oh wait I have an idea

[earnest cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak field]

It's like luxors but shoot the levi big balls things instead

[crude geode]

Afterall, most of the time said ideas are ignored anyway in favor of infinitely better ideas

[weak field]

I know it's a horrible idea

[earnest cape]

you shoot reaper teeth?

[zealous ridge]

honestly, I was thinking if we keep ambergris around, have it treat you like you’re underwater every 10 seconds for 5 seconds

[weak field]

But why

[crude geode]

Ah so water arena but you're too lazy to make an actual underwater arena.

[zealous ridge]

I mean, not exactly

[weak field]

Sure there's a lot of accessories that have random underwater bonuses

[earnest cape]

basically shrimpy truffle with strips of water and bubble blocks

right

[weak field]

But putting it on a timer just doesn't appeal to me

[pine star]

[weak field]

Same to wolfum drive

[zealous ridge]

alright

[weak field]

It never activates when you want it to

[zealous ridge]

that’s... kind of the point

But yeah

[crude geode]

The problem with Leviathan Ambergris is that it's water based right after you just dealt with the abyss

[weak field]

Did I spell wolfum right

[crude geode]

wulfrum

[pine star]

Rover Drive is extremely earlygame
Levi Ambergris is post PLANTERA

[weak field]

[earnest cape]

wulfrum

[cobalt pewter]

Rover Drive effect isn't even used in The Sponge, despite the sprite using its effect

[zealous ridge]

yeah it is

Lmao

[pine star]

[weak field]

The sprite used its effect before it's even a thing?

[zealous ridge]

rover drive is used in absorber

[cobalt pewter]

The Sponge resprite and Rover Drive were around at the same time

Iirc

[earnest cape]

you just see the effect of the rover drive in sponge

[weak field]

Dunno about you guys I remember seeing the sprite before rust and dust

[zealous ridge]

You don’t get the boost, but it’s used in the sponge

[pine star]

The Rover Drive does nothing in the Sponge

Or the Absorber for that matter

[zealous ridge]

Yeah it was just added for no reason

[weak field]

What would it do anyway

8 more defense half then time?

No sorry excuse me, 10 more defense a third of the time

[zealous ridge]

i could see it changing I dunno

[weak field]

At least give it a hotkey

So it can activate when I want it to

[crude geode]

Amalgam is such a weird accessory, I dunno why it's placed alongside The Sponge and CotBG

[unreal viper]

@cobalt pewter what do you mean by softcap? Please answer me in the morning.

[earnest cape]

amalgam is just well.... an amalgam

[pine star]

it's because all three are very large combos of accessories

[weak field]

Lifesteal for the win I guess

[cobalt pewter]

I'm still alive, but softcap was probably a wrong way to put it

[pine star]

That said, the Sponge is the largest amalgam of accessories

[cobalt pewter]

When I wrote the sugg I remembered about general softcap effect in the mod

[weak field]

The fungal clump probably eats up more damage by iFrame fuckery than what it deals

[cobalt pewter]

Which cuts boosts by 10 past a certain value

[crude geode]

Amalgam'll prolly end up making summoners happy in 1.5, since they actually have slots then

but right now I really don't see the use of it

[earnest cape]

amalgam potion duration increase is useless cause fargos and luiafk exists

YOO ITS 12AM

[weak field]

Wait a minute

[earnest cape]

happy new years

[weak field]

You get the underwater bonuses if you pass through the water that the clump leaves behind

[cobalt pewter]

pogu

[crude geode]

imagine being in 2021

[weak field]

New year pog

[unreal viper]

Amalgam potion thing doesn’t matter, yeah

[earnest cape]

the potion effects persisting after death however

spicy

[weak field]

But 15% dmg increase 🥺

[crude geode]

especially since potion durations are getting buffed anyways

[crude geode]

use a post wof accessory, a class emblem

[weak field]

And another 15% when you're in lava

For no reason

[unreal viper]

Emblem

[weak field]

Does anybody actually deliberately use this effect

[unreal viper]

Plus 10% for any liquid

[pine star]

Or use Destroyer Emblem

[crude geode]

that too

[weak field]

That's a spicy 40% when you're in lava?

[zealous ridge]

Hmm

[unreal viper]

Yes

[weak field]

Damn

[unreal viper]

Stacks with voe

It’s useful for redacted

[earnest cape]

vor?

vore?

[unreal viper]

Void of extinction

[crude geode]

if you feel like being even more cringe and using a lava arena instead of a water arena, sure

[earnest cape]

ah

[zealous ridge]

so, what if it just wasn’t an accessory? ambergris could be something else entirely

[weak field]

It's in the recipe

[weak field]

You mean like the demon heart?

[zealous ridge]

Nah, not exactly like that in function really

but it has a utility that isn’t equipped

[crude geode]

so a tool like breathing reed

[zealous ridge]

Well, that’s a. Weapon

Now at least

[crude geode]

in 1.4*

[zealous ridge]

And you imply it sucks considering the breathing reed sucks ass

[weak field]

A tool? Perhaps not

[zealous ridge]

but like, I was thinking it be an infinite bait..?

Or at least a renewable one

[weak field]

Would be cool?

But merchant already sells the bait

[crude geode]

Master bait exists

[weak field]

The bait

[zealous ridge]

my idea is like, it guarentees a rare fishing drop and has a 2 min cooldown for being used

or something

[pine star]

Let's call it Professional Bait

[weak field]

Rare fishing drop? you mean like weapons?

[zealous ridge]

Just anything marked as rare basically

[tawny garden]

no

[crude geode]

sounds kinda...weird tbfh.

[weak field]

Probably would cause a lot of backlash due to how broken fishing already is

[pine star]

YES

[tawny garden]

no

[pine star]

yes

[weak field]

I just

I just don't want to sound like something else when I'm talking about an item in a video game for kids

[pine star]

I know

[crude geode]

blood moon dialogue

[pine star]

But Mourning Wood and Golden Shower exist

[weak field]

For kids

[crude geode]

Blood Moon Female Dialogue exists

[weak field]

I never knew that they're innuendos until when I read the wiki

[pine star]

oh god

[weak field]

Dryad painting also exists

[crude geode]

Lemme use a substance from the digestive system of a whale as bait for fishing

[weak field]

We're getting offtopic again

This channel might as well become offtopic 2.0

[tawny garden]

Oh god

[crude geode]

you must be new here, it is already that

[weak field]

Yes indeed I am new here

[crude geode]

byech

[weak field]

I was active like half a year ago

And then I moved to live in gen talk

[tawny garden]

Just without memes

[pine star]

And with occasional gracings of Thomas

[weak field]

I'm coming back though because I want to contribute to society unironically

[zealous ridge]

ambergris is known as a perfume ingredient

[weak field]

And an expensive one at that

[zealous ridge]

which arguably makes less sense as an accessory

[crude geode]

to be fair

[pine star]

Also ambergris is normally OFF WHITE

[crude geode]

Leviathan Ambergris does sound kinda cool

[zealous ridge]

no it really doesn’t

[weak field]

Make it an ingredient for dyes that doesn't get consumed

[pine star]

I guess it kinda does

[zealous ridge]

When you realize it’s like, basically whale shit

[pine star]

It's whale barf
That might be worse

[zealous ridge]

If I recall it’s made in the digestive system and can come out both ends

[weak field]

Make it into a throwing weapon then?

[zealous ridge]

or even after death

[crude geode]

reminds me of the whole mana polarizer thing

where it had a name that sounda kinda cool, but didn't fit at all

[weak field]

Guys I'm trying to get the conversation back on track

[crude geode]

good luck

[zealous ridge]

we’re talking about the suggestion

[weak field]

Yeah ok

[zealous ridge]

so I don’t really see the issue

[pine star]

It can come out both ends but is mostly shat out
and can be found in dead whales' bellies

[zealous ridge]

Mhm

[weak field]

How about just make it give permanent well fed

[pine star]

At least Mana Overloader/Polarizer was an actually decent accessory

[weak field]

Scratch that

I didn't say that at all please forget about it

[crude geode]

~~imagine not having permanent well fed ~~
Yep.

Leviathan Ambergris is just garbage.

[pine star]

yeah

also does wulfrum battery outclass leviathan ambergris out of water

[crude geode]

Speaking of garbage expert mode accessories, can the random brimstone fireballs from Gehenna just go towards your cursor instead of being completely random and useless most of the time, k thx bye

[pine star]

yeah

[crude geode]

Gehenna is such a meme

[zealous ridge]

It’s so bad

[crude geode]

At least it doesn't insta upgrade into VoE anymore, but nobody uses it still

[tawny garden]

Imagine using Gehenna

Unironically

[zealous ridge]

Fucking yharims gift is similar

[tawny garden]

Outside of crafting

[zealous ridge]

Stat stick and useless on hit effects

[crude geode]

Yharims Gift is tangible. You can see the changes.

[zealous ridge]

the damage maybe

[crude geode]

Gehenna I'll be lucky if it hits once in a blue moon

[pine star]

Yharim's Gift is at least USABLE

[zealous ridge]

pendant is in a similar boat

Gift really isn’t that good it’s best stat is being an emblem

[crude geode]

Yharim's Gift is at least usable and has an effect you can see. 30 defense plus emblem boost.

[zealous ridge]

And it’s really the only stat that matters on it

30 defense is not really anything currently

Maybe defense reworks will change this idk

but it’s like 15 less damage when shit one shots you anyways

[crude geode]

mhm, not to say Yharim's Gift isn't outclassed by other things. It is. But it's still better for it's tier than Gehenna is by a long shot.

[zealous ridge]

it sure is

It’s comparable, at least

What good stats it has are just generic damage boosts, and useless otherwise

[crude geode]

I'd argue it isn't, because at least I see a dps increase with yharim's gift, whereas I don't with Gehenna's random fireballs.

[zealous ridge]

Gehenna has nothing

[crude geode]

indeed it doesn't

[zealous ridge]

okay, then

Amidias’ pendant

[pine star]

Would this be a good sugg to write?
Make the Gehenna brimstone fire rain home in on enemies

?

Gehenna is currently well known for being an incredibly bad accessory for its tier, mostly because if its fire rain hits an enemy, you should go buy a lottery ticket. Allowing the fireballs to home in on enemies should make this accessory a lot better and usable.

[zealous ridge]

To be blunt, the effect overall is really bad

I think it needs a full on rework

[crude geode]

make it "go towards your cursor" and I'd be fine with it

[cobalt pewter]

I already made a concept on it as well lole

A full on rework

[pine star]

oh

[tawny garden]

apart from the effect being bad, it's also highly insignificant

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

But not in suggs

Just in my acc doc

[tawny garden]

gehenna feels like an early pre-hardmode accessory

[cobalt pewter]

Might consider yeeting some stuff to suggs later

[crude geode]

I just think it needs to go towards your cursor. The damage is actually surprisingly good, just needs to go towards your cursor and not in random ass directions.

[pine star]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

I think the effect in general is bootleg star cloak with different projectile properties

[cobalt pewter]

^

That's with rain accs in general

[tawny garden]

I remember saying previously that a large of the Calamity-added accessories are only used for crafting

[crude geode]

I don't really see that as that bad of a thing, but maybe that's just a matter of opinion.

[tawny garden]

[zealous ridge]

I mean, I think it’s a weird opinion

These accessories are all star cloak to me

[tawny garden]

opinions can't be weird

[crude geode]

calamity has large crafting trees that don't get thought out sometimes? shocker

[tawny garden]

lol

[crude geode]

people like underwater arenas

[tawny garden]

true

[crude geode]

You could say that in the same way that frostspark boot upgrades are all just frostspark boots. Doesn't mean people can't enjoy them for the very same fact that they have them viable for longer.

[zealous ridge]

well, that’s not exactly true either

Boots upgrade into wing boot combos

and each one gets a set of new stats which give it unique functionality

[crude geode]

after angel treads

[zealous ridge]

Sure, the main part is the running

but you have hazard protection as well

[crude geode]

frostspark boots but with lava waders slapped on, how original and novel

[zealous ridge]

it isn’t

I don’t really understand what you’re arguing here

And if you’re gonna be an ass I may as well stop talking

[cobalt pewter]

Despite the lack of distinct trait upgrade, the Angel Treads and Tracers still deserve inheritance from boots, since they're progressive accs. Imo with the rain accs, none of them has any relationships with Star Cloak par the actual mechanic and they really don't need to be like that

[crude geode]

My point is that the accessories feel like star cloak but different, because their triggers are different.

exactly, yes

[zealous ridge]

they really aren’t different triggers

Gehenna activates naturally sure

[tawny garden]

Terraspark Boots

[zealous ridge]

But it’s effect activates more when you take damage

which is... star cloak

[cobalt pewter]

It's generally the same, just the cal ones are a bit better since they trigger on iframes (on most stuff) and you get iframes when taking damage

[crude geode]

...you're talking about gehenna activating more when you take damage?

[pine star]

[zealous ridge]

yes...?

[crude geode]

...that's not how it works.

[zealous ridge]

okay, it’s iframes, correct?

[tawny garden]

it does activate on iframes

[crude geode]

nope, that's yharim's gift.

[zealous ridge]

no

Gehenna does it too

yharims gift does it

[radiant meadow]

gehenna doesn't do anything with i frames

that's void of calamity

[zealous ridge]

what?

...why...?

[tawny garden]

ah

[radiant meadow]

gehenna is just amidias' pendant but recolored and brimflame themed

[zealous ridge]

why does voe inherit this

[radiant meadow]

the brimstone flames on i frames is from void of calamity

[zealous ridge]

for no reason

[radiant meadow]

void of extinction inherits both functions

because it uses void of calamity and gehenna

[zealous ridge]

Wait what

I thought it was just damage..?

Well, alright

[radiant meadow]

void of calamity is half stat stick half star cloak

[cobalt pewter]

Ben allow us to shoot deathray from eye when using Gehenna

🥺

[pine star]

:pleadingbruh:

[radiant meadow]

no

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[crude geode]

So yeah, Gehenna is different from Star Cloak...somewhat right now. All it needs is to actually be aim-able

[pine star]

yeah

So should I sugg that?

[crude geode]

Go ahead

[pine star]

It's in suggestions posting

Are there any problems with it?

[crude geode]

I would reword it to “it’s very difficult and luck based to hit with the fire rain”

[pine star]

Ok

[summer sentinel]

Ghenna is just a crafting material in truth

[tawny garden]

mhm, that's what I'm sayin

[cobalt pewter]

Lauren convince ben to make gehenna shoot deathray from our eye

😳

[pine star]

😳

[tawny garden]

↑

do that pls

for us

[earnest cape]

😳

spicy

[crude geode]

No one being holds power over Ben

[pine star]

Do it for the Suggestors Gang

[pine star]

Fab does

[summer sentinel]

@radiant meadow can I have shoot deathray from ghenna

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Implying Fab is an entity and not a concept

[radiant meadow]

no

[cobalt pewter]

[summer sentinel]

Pleaseeee

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

we'll give pats

[tawny garden]

I have a bottle of Champage-Like Sparkling White Wine

[summer sentinel]

I’ll give you a cookie and a high five friendo @radiant meadow

[radiant meadow]

I said no

[summer sentinel]

damn

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

This outcome was destined to occur

[tawny garden]

it was

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

An outcome doesn't breed from a single action, and an action doesn't lead to a single outcome

I'll probably sugg it sometime later

[tawny garden]

An outcome doesn't breed from a single action
except when Ben is involved

[crude geode]

Shut up, three suggs a day man

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

😔 damn

[cobalt pewter]

"sometime later" was undefined

[crude geode]

my current theory is that, much like gravity, Fab is just a ruling concept of our universe

[cobalt pewter]

Most likely days later when I finally remembered it

[tawny garden]

I'm inclined to believe that

[crude geode]

I was referring to this message. I was gonna say nerd

[tawny garden]

although Uncle Danny might be better suited for the job

[crude geode]

Byech

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

I still need to get around to suggesting cloning Rover, the suggestion with zero possible downsides or ramifications

[tawny garden]

well, I was already cloned

so maybe that sugg will succeed

[crude geode]

Your genetic code was written on top of another person, doesn’t count

[tawny garden]

m

that's fair

[pine star]

Hey, at least the job was successfull

Unlike Folly or Calclone

[tawny garden]

[unreal viper]

Draedon really do be like that.

🚆

I feel like this emote should get a draedon variant.

[crude geode]

“Oh you!” Yharim when Draedon fails to clone something for the forty third time, probably

[pine star]

That said, I guess Calclone isn't a clone

In that none of Scal's DNA was actually used in its making

[tawny garden]

she's a doppelganger

was at least

the lore might've changed a lot

[pine star]

iirc she's still just a doppelganger

[crude geode]

tbfh who knows

it’s been almost a full year since the lore overhaul was announced and we have not heard a peep yet

We’re actually six days away

[tawny garden]

the death message was changed

[pine star]

I know

[tawny garden]

oop we offtopic again

[pine star]

But still, none of Scal's DNA was used in calclone's making

[crude geode]

quick, someone make a suggestion to make lore not trash

[unreal viper]

Wish I could.

[pine star]

Mrrp is probably working on it rn

[radiant meadow]

Making a suggestion over lore is probably pointless.

[crude geode]

Indeed

Any idea on how far along that project is Ben?

[radiant meadow]

no

[crude geode]

That’s about what I expected tbh

[tawny garden]

@ mrrp

[ashen warren]

suggestion is pretty vague, could you give some ideas on how to improve the arena

[crude geode]

Making the arena more complex would kinda go against it being very easy to modify imo

which is the strongest part of it compared to every other boss arena in the game (looking at you brimstone crags and dungeon)

@normal ingot

The only thing I would change is making the walls thicker so you don’t have to manually do it

[normal ingot]

yeah, making the walls thicker would be enough i guess

[crude geode]

Function over form is generally the rule of thumb when you’re making arenas

Which is why you make ugly walls that stretch to the sky when making a Yharon arena

so forcing the players to have cumbersome but cool looking arena via SCal’s walls would be...annoying.

frankly I think that arena building in areas like the dungeon is stupid and there should be a guaranteed area similar to golem’s altar area but hey that’s just me

[hot zephyr]

^

[crude geode]

Speaking of arenas and stupidity

[eternal escarp]

oh another cursed sugg

wasnt there a crag biome rework said to come?

[crude geode]

that sounds very vague

[eternal escarp]

i mean, yeah

but i do recal something like this was said either here or draedon talk, no idea

[gray nebula]

suggestion : probably break any other mod's hell gen

[eternal escarp]

lol

[cobalt pewter]

But yeah a genned arena for a grand total of 2 dungeon bosses would be

Kinda epic

[crude geode]

mmmm maybe if there wasn't two bosses that calamity put in hell that require a large arena I wouldn't be as worried about this Iban

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe locked out from being used for pre ML farming with post-ML blocks and keys

[eternal escarp]

tbh worst thi g to make a hell arena is the lava imo

its so annoying to get through

[cobalt pewter]

If you hate hell area, fargo mutant has instabridges

[crude geode]

also there's a shit ton of space that's not utilized in hell, and is just underground ash and hellstone, just move the hell houses to not being actively in the way/buried.

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

that's not a good excuse

[cobalt pewter]

Ye I was joking kinda

[eternal escarp]

ye

but even if it wasnt

i dont see it helping make a signus / providence arena at all

so not even other mods can help tbh

[crude geode]

Calamity actively adds two bosses into hell that require a decent arena, but then doesn't change hell generation or give tools to make it more bearable to make said arenas

sorry, 3

[eternal escarp]

tbh hell gen should stay, i think we should get a tool instead to help

i mean, 1.4 adds dry bombs

but those are also shit

ngl

[cobalt pewter]

Don't mind me was just checking how many suggs I have in posting

Maybe suggesting for the genned pML dungeon arena

[crude geode]

stealing my idea I see

[cobalt pewter]

Brimmy, Providence and Signuts?

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

that idea thankfully isn't original

[eternal escarp]

brim is just special hell

[crude geode]

signuts
ye

[eternal escarp]

literally and physicaly

[crude geode]

indeed.

byeah Calamity loves to require big arenas, but then does nothing to make it any more tolerable, unlike fishing or potion making

Fishing via the supreme thing, potion making with blood orbs

[eternal escarp]

well

they did smthn for golem

thats it i think

[crude geode]

Literally the only thing

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[crude geode]

and because it was such a glaring flaw getting in the way of golem being an actual fight

[eternal escarp]

which is great, ofc

byeah

[crude geode]

Provi arenas are the worst thing in this mod, alongside old DoG arenas, and current Dungeon arenas

I jest, but only partially

[eternal escarp]

i dont, i jestn't

[fossil finch]

do you make provi arenas
i just slap some asphalt across all of my hallow

[eternal escarp]

providence is such a shitty arena to make and i hate making yharon arenas aswell

provi in hell is the better provi to fo fight imo, the shield is just eay better then the wings

and the wings ud only use to upgrade most of the time

[fossil finch]

i don't use neither

[cobalt pewter]

Aegis is pretty god doe 🥺

[fossil finch]

my yharon arenas are also funny
a platform like 50 blocks above the ground and that's it
maybe if my game didn't lag so much as to have x5 the reaction time others do, my arenas would actually be arenas

[crude geode]

that probably is why.

[dapper violet]

arena making is why i have cheat menu installed

15 minutes or 15 seconds

[crude geode]

I would be less inclined to use cheat menu if calamity gave actual tools to help build the arenas they want me to make by hand

[eternal escarp]

thing is

in an actuall playthrough

id rather not rely on cheats

[dapper violet]

I think luiafk has, like, an instant arena craftable item

[eternal escarp]

it doesnt destroy blocks, or its a skybridge

[fossil finch]

my only actual arenas are like
-the one i use for almost any boss with no spawn zone conditions
-dog one
-jungle shit
-hell??? (lies i use fargo)

[eternal escarp]

if there was a 200 long platform that did destroy blocks wouldve been good, but still

[cobalt pewter]

Decided to sugg something better in terms of priority

[eternal escarp]

ah yes

alot of people ask tbh

[tawny garden]

just use the Universal Collapse from Fargo's, problem solved

[eternal escarp]

just hum the universal collapse for calamity music mod, problem solved

[tawny garden]

(for those that don't know, Universal Collapse from Fargo's replaces your world with a whole bunch of BLANK)

[dapper violet]

crazy how that long ass tooltip doesn’t explain how to actually attack, but then every single rogue armor fills your entire screen with a text block on how stealth works

[eternal escarp]

yeah tbh

and the rogue explanation should be a diffrent item, like someone suggested

i think it was feed?

[cobalt pewter]

No

@worthy lintel

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[worthy lintel]

2 votes away

[dapper violet]

or just don’t have it on any armor sets after WoF

if you’re using rogue in hardmode and beyond, you know how it works

[eternal escarp]

2 more stars

[worthy lintel]

[eternal escarp]

ffs

star it

now

[worthy lintel]

i starred my own sugg

[eternal escarp]

i would link it but cringe

[worthy lintel]

i feel dirty

[gray nebula]

delete flamsteed ring instead

[eternal escarp]

[gray nebula]

too confusing and over designed

[frail mantle]

:chad:

[cobalt pewter]

smh stoopid dev item

[gray nebula]

peak calamity endgame cringe

[cobalt pewter]

[worthy lintel]

[eternal escarp]

peak calamity endgame cringe lmaoo

[worthy lintel]

i literally need

[dapper violet]

can’t imagine what it took to implement that

[worthy lintel]

a single more vote

[eternal escarp]

so close

god i need this tbh, i hate the text bloat on armour

hopefully it gets accepted if it actually passes

[frail mantle]

Flamsteed took 70 hours to code iirc

[eternal escarp]

damn

[dapper violet]

[cobalt pewter]

if not, cataclysm will end up implementing it lole

[gray nebula]

I wrote the tooltip so blame me for problems that happen with it

[worthy lintel]

🤷‍♂️

[eternal escarp]

lole

[cobalt pewter]

sexdemon momentum

[crude geode]

Can’t believe Iban is deleting his own item

[worthy lintel]

shock

[eternal escarp]

imagine iban deleting his item to make a new summon just be a flying plant pot tbh

[cobalt pewter]

iban's new item would just be sexdemon, Flamsteed Ring with permanent Ceaseless Dye

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[gray nebula]

I will probably resprite andromeda eventually actually

[summer sentinel]

wait hang on a second Iban....

[gray nebula]

(then spriting NOOBS go "but it's good enough doe" but it's not good enough for ME)

[eternal escarp]

ibanplay? more like iban flamsteed amiright

yeah ill go now

[crude geode]

🚪

[worthy lintel]

sorry im just midly upset

[crude geode]

I think everyone is. It’s why you exist in #suggestions-discussion

[worthy lintel]

yooo my sugg hit 200

review time

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

which one was it?

[worthy lintel]

hold on lemme find it

[tawny garden]

the one behind mine

[worthy lintel]

#suggestions-voting message

the funny anti-wall of text on rogue armors

[tawny garden]

I'm still kinda surprised that 261 people starred my sugg

[crude geode]

now you just have to have patience

[tawny garden]

patience™️

[crude geode]

it’s about rage being bad Philo

[worthy lintel]

but but but rage is objectively bad rn

[pine star]

oh

[worthy lintel]

it deserves 500 stars

[crude geode]

everyone knows that rage is bad, even if you’re a casual player of the game

[eternal escarp]

y e s

we did it

[crude geode]

Not even just everyone as in the 50 or so people who think harder about this game, ie suggestion lurkers

[tawny garden]

@everyone

[sturdy geyser]

good idea

[cobalt pewter]

lole

[tawny garden]

hm, my sugg also shows that suggs with many stars (although 263 isn't as many as some suggs have reached) don't influence suggs around it, as the "Ban stickers" sugg is only at 114 rn

[cobalt pewter]

That's different context silly

[summer sentinel]

What did I say: I told you banning stickers is not that big of an importance and has no apparent need to be removed rn as they aren't abused really

[worthy lintel]

[tawny garden]

omw to abuse stickers

[sturdy geyser]

Society if

if stickers didn't exist

[summer sentinel]

Philo I'll just remove you instead

any objections to Philo's removal?

[sturdy geyser]

no

[crude geode]

please

[whole sedge]

yeah no

[worthy lintel]

well, he helps the wiki

🤷‍♂️

[crude geode]

Just remove him from suggestions

[summer sentinel]

3 yes and 1 neutral, goodbye Philo, you've been ejected, you were the imposter (among us reference)

[tawny garden]

try me

[summer sentinel]

well you see I'll need a russian hacker to take down one so give me a bit

[crude geode]

[dapper blaze]

luv u philo

now gtfo

[tawny garden]

also you didn't have to explain the reference

[cobalt pewter]

Oh yeah Prism Shard

[summer sentinel]

it's meant to be cringe filler

[tawny garden]

😳

[dapper blaze]

see the joke is when you are playing amng us the goal of the game is to murder the impostor by ejecting it or throwing it in fucking lava before the impostor murders all the crewmats

[cobalt pewter]

Intentional or not, bloat regardless 🔫

[worthy lintel]

prism shard exists

[crude geode]

Don’t prism shards give renewable sea prisms?

[worthy lintel]

well kinda

but thats about it

[proud parcel]

Anything that drops prism shards could just drop sea prisms, no?

[summer sentinel]

Then again running out of prism shards in the sunken sea feels very hard to do

[proud parcel]

Also, who is going to use the entire supply of sea prisms in a playthrough?

[crude geode]

I mean, they also make nice decorations, unlike ectoblood

[worthy lintel]

im more annoyed by the fact using a grappling hook near the shards breaks them

[dapper blaze]

eliminate material bloat

or add content for those materials specifically

more fun for everyone

idk though that's just me

[summer sentinel]

oh I see, prism shards are suffering the ectoblood issue

[dapper blaze]

yeah

[tawny garden]

adding content for something that is incompatible with content

[whole sedge]

oh yeah prism shards
basically just shard version of ectoblood

[crude geode]

if my suggestion regarding depths cells and planty mush is anything to say, good luck with getting the community behind removing all material bloat

[proud parcel]

Prism shards are literally used in 7 recipes, 1 of which is sea prisms and 5 of which are vanity/decoration

[summer sentinel]

Well ectoblood has been yeeted so prism shards can probs get the same, just worldgen would need to be changed slightly to only spawn sea prisms

[cobalt pewter]

Most of the crafting with prism shard can just be replaced with sea prism

Like aquashard shotgun or some furnos

[eternal escarp]

tbh i like prism shards as decoration ill be honest

[cobalt pewter]

Not sure about Etomer

[dapper blaze]

well tbf tribo etomer only uses prism shards and no sea prisms

but it uses 5

[summer sentinel]

etomer takes sea prisms

[dapper blaze]

so you could replace tha twit a fuckin sea prism

[dapper blaze]

wiki outdated

sad

[proud parcel]

Etomer is also vanity

[dapper blaze]

so

[proud parcel]

So it's not like it has any balancing implications in changign to sea prism in recipe

[dapper blaze]

vanity is irrelevant

[summer sentinel]

oh it takes prism shards and not sea prism that's, intriguing

[dapper blaze]

everything that prism shards are used in can just be condensed into sea prisms bruh

very disappointing

[summer sentinel]

Etomer you'd have to take up with Ben in specific

[cobalt pewter]

God my phone is a slog

[dapper blaze]

ben scares me

[fossil finch]

talking about sunken sea stuff
should the aquamarine staff be buffed
cuz rn it's bad
bad

[summer sentinel]

am I not scary

[proud parcel]

Do I need to ping Ben since this would affect that, or?

[crude geode]

sea prisms aren’t renewable besides their shard variant currently

[tawny garden]

no

[crude geode]

ban Philo to prove dominance Lauren

[tawny garden]

no

[cobalt pewter]

Crate momentum

[tawny garden]

ah yes, fishing

[crude geode]

crates are funky indeed

[fossil finch]

ah yes, best game mechanic
waiting.

[summer sentinel]

That's why crates got nerfed and I'm pretty sure I had a big part as in why Ben nerfed their drop rates

listen, abyss crates and jungle crates post provi are very powerful

[dapper blaze]

honestly not really, no

[crude geode]

Frankly I find sea prisms to have their uses. Provide some variety in the sunken sea’s materials/light, and provide a way of acquiring materials besides mining chunks/killing endless things

It’s much less egregious than, say, bloodletting essence or ectoblood

Ectoblood literally doesn’t have a purpose outside of ectoplasm, while evil essence is easily replaced by evil powder.

[zenith hazel]

^

[crude geode]

Prism Shards, however, are a huge part of the lighting and design of the sunken sea, and you can’t just replace them with Sea Prisms because they already have a placed variant

[zenith hazel]

if that’s the logic then you might as well suggest removing jungle spores

[proud parcel]

Aren't jungle spores used in a wide amount of recipes?

Also, jungle spores aren't used to craft another material

[summer sentinel]

Is it possible to just remove a vanilla mat like that?

[fossil finch]

no

[sturdy geyser]

prism shards are rather bloaty from a purely material standpoint, but they are also a placed item

[crude geode]

They’re also used alongside other things, and could just be removed in favor of increasing the cost of other things. But it’s an extreme example to demonstrate the flawed logic behind removing prism shards.

[fossil finch]

jungle spores are used in like 8 things but reaver shit exists making that 8 things 30

[sturdy geyser]

and the placed item justifies their existance

ores and blocks arent considered bloat for a reason

[dapper blaze]

wdym by "possible"

[summer sentinel]

I thought vanilla would have it like hardcoded/nested or something

[crude geode]

That’s...not really something that’s gonna ever actually come up tbh

Byeah prism shards have their place in the sunken sea and the mod

Saying it’s just used for vanity when it’s used for the design of the sunken sea is selling them a bit short @proud parcel

[silent jewel]

lol

[proud parcel]

I'm modifying suggestion now to account for that

Modified

[crude geode]

That’s better

It’s kinda weird that the aquashard shotgun uses sea prisms and not prism shards

[dapper blaze]

you can easily modify recipes from all mods and vanilla

you can make a pretty simple loop to either remove or replace anything with something else

[proud parcel]

It uses both

[dapper blaze]

for recipes

[crude geode]

huh wacky.

I don’t play ranger enough to know

[summer sentinel]

oh neat, that's quite nice

[proud parcel]

It's literally the only item that isn't vanity to use prism shards though

[tawny garden]

can you remove items tho

from vanilla or other mods

[dapper blaze]

what's the point of removing an item

just replace it with smth else

[tawny garden]

for fun

[dapper blaze]

terraria items are hardcoded and don't use OOP loading

you could theoretically intercept item loading for mods loaded after your mod

[tawny garden]

ah

[dapper blaze]

but that'd take a lot of effort and would require manual IL editing/detouring

using either man-made hooks or running hookgen manually and added a new dependency

because tML removes monomod hooks for their classes

[tawny garden]

aight

[radiant meadow]

It's fine, probably :)

[crude geode]

that’s where it all started. That damn smile

[hollow shell]

Hey @cobalt pewter, sorry I'm late
but how exactly do you add a softcap to a single item?