philo voice acting mod 😳
#suggestions-discussion
eternal escarp
swift wharf
Monster voice acting like hollow knight, but only for blobs and non-sentient beings
like slime god screaming like flukemarm when it dies
glass oasis
the trick will be that this will betray the zest of the game and the complexity. will change locations.
eternal escarp
also wont voice acting be a huge thing for the mod to have, since its sound files right?
frail mantle
either way, in a game where the most complex voice acting is a woman literally saying "oof" as the female character hurt sound i feel like actual voice acting with proper voice lines would feel very out of place
crude geode
Indeed
crude geode
Oh yes
frail mantle
oh right
crude geode
Know no more
hollow shell
nnoouuyoonnaaww
eternal escarp
hvfo dyo knwmoyw??
eternal escarp
y e s
hollow shell
HK voice acting could be ok
glass sentinel
my imagination is running wild
crude geode
Banjo Kazooie voice acting
eternal escarp
just scal mumbeling like badeline lmao
tawny garden
my voice is also cringe, so no
eternal escarp
imagine
swift wharf
get wayne june
hollow shell
HMPHs like Soul Master
glass sentinel
lmao
swift wharf
Or evil laugh for dog
glass sentinel
SHAW
glass oasis
so all in motion will be fun
frail mantle
or we can just record micky mouse or however the hell you spell his name getting punched in the balls so we get the Collector's voice lines
hollow shell
Ah
glass sentinel
its called laughter
eternal escarp
my mind is still not over the idea of Scal laughing like granny from celeste
hollow shell
eih ouh auh auh
eternal escarp
mmmnyAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA
tawny garden
that can't go wrong, surely
swift wharf
omw to pay wayne june 2 grand to voice the lore items
crude geode
Anyways so this suggestion seems unnecessary to me
swift wharf
Ye we getting a bit offtopic
eternal escarp
because both are imo 
glass oasis
voice acting for bosses can be done by recording a voice then inserting it it is not necessary to tell the person the recording is sufficient enough
swift wharf
Btw, you can do the same thing with nazar
But i think that's intended on slime god
tawny garden
which one, the philo stone?
my stone?
tawny garden
I don't remember having a stone
glass sentinel
philosopher stone
crude geode
Hush
crude geode
Back on topic
hollow shell
This Philo Stone 'exploit' has existed since, what, 1.1?
But I rarely/never see it in action
eternal escarp
tbh
hollow shell
Because it'd be a massive hassle
swift wharf
Material fodder for deific amulet
eternal escarp
i would never have the coordination for that
hasty moon
it's as simple as using autopause
eternal escarp
oh well autopause is cringe
glass sentinel
do not speak of that disgusting thing
hollow shell
Fuck Autopause
hasty moon
but i don't think it's worth doing anything about
eternal escarp
all my homies hate autopause
hollow shell
But, that would waste a lotta time still
eternal escarp
thats game journalist mode tbh
eternal escarp
But, that would waste a lotta time still
^
swift wharf
I've seen the bee being used on low% and that's all
eternal escarp
its very good on low% tbh
hollow shell
(Philo Stone becomes useless? I thought it's useful throughout the entire game)
eternal escarp
since u litterly dont have many accesories
hollow shell
(Usually in the form of upgrades but, the potion cooldown shorten never stops being good)
summer sentinel
It’s been a part of the game for so long makes it feel like calamity fixing it not seems too much hassle as it takes effort to do
glass sentinel
(Philo Stone becomes useless? I thought it's useful throughout the entire game)
there are just much better accessories
summer sentinel
It’s like the equivalent effort of armor switching as well: if you do the effort then you get that benefit since to fix it would cause other issues
heady comet
why make the game harder
crude geode
Too much effort for something that is ultimately not going to be cared about
fixing it in the way that is currently suggested would lead to people complaining about buff slots
tawny garden
(Philo Stone becomes useless? I thought it's useful throughout the entire game)
I've used it or its upgrades until every other acc becomes better 
glass oasis
I think we should not stand still, move on to come up with something new that was not and do what seems impossible, everything that is not possible becomes possible, time and desire is needed for this. So there is nothing that is not possible. We must try to do everything if the voice acting seems not possible, but if you try to do it, it will become possible. It is necessary to interest the people, maybe they will be even more interested if the voice acting appears. The plot is music too. The world and everything else. There was no music, but it became possible to do it, and this is the same. If you do not move in front, then the rivals will get ahead of you. If you think that you cannot do it, the main thing is to believe yourself and everything will be.
eternal escarp
its not that it is entirely impossible, i think its just that it wont fit in terraria
frail mantle
no it's very possible
glass oasis
This will make the game unusual and thus will be interesting. And a complete non-expectation.
frail mantle
voice lines are effectively just sound effects of people talking, after all
it's just that it would end up feeling very weird in a game like Terraria
eternal escarp
3 calamity mods 
glass sentinel
*official ones
eternal escarp
yeah
glass oasis
s the voice acting will take more. Can be cut and processed. After all, the music itself is engaged in a large file format!
😄
cobalt pewter
I gotta admit The Bee gains chungus function with low%
But the change is a bit excessive imo iirc tbh afaik smh....,,,
eternal escarp
hey feedzuh, speaking of low% go to #calamity-mod-talk for a sec
cobalt pewter
Next Up: Philo Stone and The Bee cannot be equipped if the player is having Potion cd or not at full health
cobalt pewter
hey feedzuh, speaking of low% go to <#225030931008847874> for a sec
Alr
swift wharf
iron heart 
glass oasis
How much did you sweat on music? In terms of time?🙂
eternal escarp
like, how long did it take the composer(s) to make the music?
glass oasis
Yes
frail mantle
you'd have to ask pinkie and rover about that
glass oasis
If you guys say that voice acting is unlikely to work?
glass oasis
That is, the sound will not fit into the framework of the game so that it will take up twice as much space as the music itself? And it will complicate the work and will be more time wasting?
tawny garden
just that I will be against
frail mantle
in fact it's been done before in other mods
eternal escarp
wait, really? other mods did voice acting
tawny garden
yeah
eternal escarp
tbh if i heard voice acting in terraria id be spooked at first
frail mantle
it's just that it would feel even more out of place than all of calamity's aspects that already disregard vanilla, like its artstyle and balancing, to the point where it would just sound too weird to work well, no matter how good the actual voice acting is
glass oasis
But then times changed and the decision was different not to do what the game does not need!😆
eternal escarp
isnt balancing being changed tho? to make it less, yknow, big curve?
(which only adds to your point kinda)
tawny garden
flatten the curve
eternal escarp
yeah
summer sentinel
yes, postml balancing first and then rest of the mod balancing in power
eternal escarp
so in that case, yeah calamity will be a bit less out of place then it is rn
glass oasis
And what did others do and what happened to the mod broke and lost its reputation?
hasty moon
what
eternal escarp
^
tawny garden
frail mantle
the other mod i referred to, Jetshift, is sorta infamous in the modding community
eternal escarp
never heard of it tbh
hasty moon
it's quite the mod
frail mantle
partially because of its lead developer and partially because of its lack of quality (though from what i've heard the quality has been improving lately)
glass oasis
Someone apparently took a chance and ran into a mine!😆
eternal escarp
basically, but his running was flawed at the start aswell
is what i understand, atleast
glass oasis
Previously, there were no mods at all and had no idea what it was at all, it was an ordinary game of Terraria where there was nothing, only one world and some sounds and that's it. No music is not the new enemies of the events of the bosses of the biomes of the tasks, it was just the same type of Terraria.
tawny garden
mods existed since 1.1 iirc
glass oasis
But the mods did not appear at once, at first Terraria itself was created by tests, corrected and then updated. No one will play where they will constantly lag, no matter what kind of powerful computer you have or not. Because lags and bugs are the worst enemies of the players.
eternal escarp
not all bugs
hasty moon
i don't really understand the point of this
glass oasis
To voice you need a good voice and that everything would come in and be interesting. For this role you need a good actor with a voice or an interesting actress for voice acting.
cobalt pewter
...
voice acting won't really work in Terraria or its mods in terms of immersion, I think?
like
people got put off by roar of the jungle dragon when they heard proper, English lyrics
hasty moon
angels you seem kinda focused on it being doable rather than if it's necessary/a good idea
tawny garden
@ Feedza we already dogpiled on that idea
cobalt pewter
granted, everyone's used to it at this point
tawny garden
Uhwot
cobalt pewter
@ Feedza we already dogpiled on that idea
tawny garden
Why did that respond to some random message
vpi1ecboefhoefhigrhceihfeigyfucuryxyevyocursitc
Pisscord
You suck
tawny garden
granted, everyone's used to it at this point
I still see people who think that even that is cringe
summer sentinel
Today we witness philo having a moment™️
sharp cipher
What even
hasty moon
the voice thing was about town npcs and maybe bosses right
tawny garden
Today we witness philo having a moment™️
a moment of inertia?
summer sentinel
Yes philo, you are a moment of inertia, congratulations 
tawny garden
glass oasis
You can sound in different ways, the main thing is you recorded the voice and then you can change it as you want!
hasty moon
okay but consider that npcs are not usually talked to, they're more there for items/services
it'd end up being "hi-" cut off by opening the shop every time you talk to them
tawny garden
okay but consider that npcs are not usually talked to, they're more there for it...
Painter moment
sleek hornet
tax collector
glass oasis
But you can make the NPCs themselves communicate with each other and build relationships! Suddenly they had some kind of friends and those friends in the goods will have new things about which we will not know it will be a surprise!
hasty moon
but why
sleek hornet
But you can make the NPCs themselves communicate with each other and build relat...
1.4 happiness in a nutshell (i think)
hasty moon
do you mean just on their own they'd randomly talk to each other with voice clips
tawny garden
~~tax collector~~
Tax Collector is actually sort of useful with the Better Taxes mod
glass oasis
do you mean just on their own they'd randomly talk to each other with voice clip...
You could say this ..
hasty moon
and yeah npcs already kinda converse with the text bubbles as well as having some lines in the happiness thing
tawny garden
Also them randomly talking with voice clips would suck
hasty moon
also that just sounds really annoying
and not a calamity mod thing, more of its own mod
tawny garden
Imagine living in a fucking department store
cobalt pewter
Consider not how one should do it, but why
glass oasis
I noticed that they communicate with each other in the language of emotions!🙂
cobalt pewter
Why would voice acting be needed?
hasty moon
^
sleek hornet
Also them randomly talking with voice clips would suck
humanly voice (outside of music) in terraria itself is already bizzare
hasty moon
you could have the best voice actor in the world and it'd still be weird
sleek hornet
Even in music it's bizarre
Fly of Beelzebub
glass oasis
It all depends on the choice of voice. If it sounds what a not beautiful voice, then yes it will be very funny and delusional to sound like from what kind of old man like that with a hoarse or rough voice, terrible!
eternal escarp
its like saying add triangles to minecraft
it can work, but it just feels wierd
tawny garden
@glass oasis you still didn't answer why it's needed
hasty moon
It all depends on the choice of voice. If it sounds what a not beautiful voice, ...
as i just said, the quality of the voice doesn't matter, it's just the nature of npcs and the game's typical sound design that would make it sound out of place
eternal escarp
the closest thing id imagine is a faint quest complete sound when NPCs use a speech bubble
tawny garden
even when FNaF:SL came out, the idea for individual voice clips for animatronics was bizzarre
eternal escarp
i mean, in fnaf it makes more sense, byeah the point still stands
tawny garden
and FNaF is a lot more suited for voice acting than Terraria
eternal escarp
imagine if red voice acted all terraria sounds
glass oasis
<@264113806844624906> you still didn't answer *why* it's needed
Then that it will be unusual and fun. If a beautiful voice sounds that could be adjusted to the boss, each boss had its own voice feature. A person would be curious that the boss is talking to him, it will even be fun. And he will not be able to break away from the game will get involved!
hasty moon
a boss speaking to me is exactly what would not want to make me involved
golden narwhal
Soo ... "it would be cool"?
eternal escarp
oh no
cobalt pewter
You still don't really define W H Y Terraria / Calamity should need voice acting
hasty moon
unusual does not always equal fun
cobalt pewter
And this seems to skirt towards the "it'd be cool" reasoning
hasty moon
yeah
sleek hornet
~~imagine if red voice acted all terraria sounds~~
tawny garden
~~imagine if red voice acted all terraria sounds~~
:fear:
glass oasis
Think that if they start talking to you it will scare you like there is your bosses?😆
swift wharf
Dolphin_death.wav :fear:
eternal escarp
Female_Hurt.wav
glass oasis
Or I just think that the voice in the game is superfluous and there is already so much of everything, but there is still a voice to appear, it will be complete chaos in the game and tin!
eternal escarp
i mean
lets say it would prolly
we cant really suggest something just because "it will be cool"
hasty moon
or "it hasn't been done yet"
eternal escarp
unless some of the devs see this and like it so much that they will do, which i dont think is gonna happen at all tbh
cobalt pewter
There's a lack of concrete reason for it to happen
glass oasis
Whose thing is the sand gun?
Is it possible to make New Year's bosses with a New Year's hat would it be cool?
glass oasis
Does this mod feature Horror?🙂
eternal escarp
it "used to"
horror was the name of a debuff
thats it tbh
although id claim boss music while im casually building an arena to be horrifying
glass oasis
But in general, what is this mod Chaos horror, hellish creatures and others
eternal escarp
i mean, terraria is already full of hellish abominations
golden narwhal
Don't think there's anything really "horror", closest thing are first time jumpscares in like the abyss or smth
eternal escarp
the crimson biome exists
glass oasis
Well, yes, you need to build if you don't have wings and boots for flying then you definitely need an arena!
eternal escarp
i think google translate ruined what i said there
glass oasis
You can say what kind of deeds you did and sent hell to wash away your sins.
earnest cape
Imagine when youre preparing for crab and misclick and spawn crab
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
smol sugg
cobalt pewter
@lethal marsh tyranny end is gonna be chungus next patch iirc
And photo will finally fucking die again
tawny garden
everything will be rebalanced next update
so don't bother with balancing suggs for now
lethal marsh
tawny garden
(delete the sugg)
summer sentinel
I got it dw
hardy dock
Suggestion went up
tawny garden
hm
dapper coral
okay so firstly
summer sentinel
Fearmonger didn't necessarily get nerfed, it's getting balanced with summoners
tawny garden
Isn't Fearmonger getting changed
dapper coral
the fat "nerf" is because fearmonger is busted
gray nebula
isnt it meant to be a magic + summoner set
dapper coral
6 minion slots for a summoner tank set was absolutely ridiculous
summer sentinel
It's just meant to be multiclass armor in general
unreal viper
Yeah.
hardy dock
i know
unreal viper
Danny said so.
hardy dock
thats why i think it should get more multiclass viability
unreal viper
Mhmm.
tawny garden
Future content sugg
You gotta wait to see if the nerf actually made it unviable
hardy dock
unreal viper
Yeah, hold off on it.
hardy dock
ok
for the record tho i dont think itll ever be fully unviable
but the massive number of summoner exclusive buffs makes it strange to be labelled multiclass
dapper coral
which is why it's getting unsummonerified
frail mantle
it's being nerfed so much for summoner specifically because its summoner bonuses were strong enough that it was only seen as a summoner set
post doge armor being used on SCal™️
summer sentinel
Summoner stacking to put it simply
hardy dock
ok
summer sentinel
it'll get its treatment once that stage of balance occurs
hardy dock
should i delete the suggestion
tawny garden
Save it somewhere for later, I'd say
dapper coral
remove it from here but save it in case, yeah
tawny garden
@cyan warren [[The Wand]] is enough
red stormBOT
tawny garden
cyan warren
👍
whole sedge
(Why would this even be necessary for something calamity has to do? Last I checked also that's pretty unnecessary as well WoS kind of sucks and there's plenty of other early game magic weapons)
pine star
also The Wand exists
eternal escarp
^
worthy lintel
here comes yet another crafting tree because we will now need wands for all stages
night wand, purified wand, elemental wand, godslayer wand
whole sedge
god save me from wand crafting trees 
hot zephyr
Is that a SIS?
@wet elk If you haven't already, please read through the suggestion docs in this channel's pins.
whole sedge
This seems really specific yeah
eternal escarp
100% SIS tbh
hot zephyr
Probably.
wet elk
yeah I get it
hot zephyr
(titan heart, deadalus, etc)
It's a neat concept for an armor set, though.
Just doesn't really fit in with formatting.
unreal viper
armor set concept that I missed. 
wet elk
yeah, I was more just thinking out loud, no intention of actually having it implemented
which obv isnt what the suggestions thing is for
unreal viper
i'd like to see it, please dm it to me or something
hollow shell
@cyan warren Can you give your suggestion just a bit more reasoning for why variants should exist
hollow shell
yeah swagcat's sugg is overdue for it
summer sentinel
for the time being I'll transfer it to voting
hot zephyr
Lauren is the new suggestion bot.
summer sentinel
Beep beep boop
exotic stag
just looked at my pings and noticed that i got a ping. thanks actually. (i wasnt even paying attention so i didnt notice in time).
tawny garden
Flares are iconic in terraria for being a meme to fight with against king slime.
this is now in voting.
exotic stag
cyan warren
<@!435961945670025216> Can you give your suggestion just a bit more reasoning fo...
Wand of sparking Variants just seemed like a cool idea
eternal escarp
isnt this suggestion basically like the wand one tho?
well
"just a cool idea" is a dont in the pins
tawny garden
Wand of sparking Variants just seemed like a cool idea
"just seemed like a cool idea" isn't a good reason
exotic stag
^
cyan warren
Understandable
hollow shell
Yeah you're gonna need something more substantial than that
cyan warren
Well goodbye then
summer sentinel
a super cool idea Rover
hollow shell
You could like
radiant meadow
I think the fact that Blue Flares and normal flares are statistically identical flew over the flare suggestor's head.
eternal escarp
smh how could you not understand the super cool idea
hollow shell
Make reference to the fact that there are variants for fire things in the vanilla game
eternal escarp
I think the fact that Blue Flares and normal flares are statistically identical ...
they are
hollow shell
like Arrows
exotic stag
i thought they were different until i actually looked lol
hollow shell
there's Fire Arrows and Frostburn Arrows
summer sentinel
a blue flare? Like ice?
cyan lagoon
also i don't think most players would get this
Flares are iconic in terraria for being a meme to fight with against king slime.
hot zephyr
Ben you don't understand
blue is cooler looking
eternal escarp
a blue flare? Like ice?
no, just looks blue
cyan lagoon
mostly because flare guns aren't supposed to be used as weapons
eternal escarp
^
cyan lagoon
though that's probably the joke 
exotic stag
to me: blue flares seemed to me to do frostburn. and im like "Ehh"
summer sentinel
that's it? Well I was expecting more and yeah Cobby, exactly
exotic stag
i didnt even reaize it was neutral flares lol
radiant meadow
sold by the Merchant if you have a flare gun in inventory
or any of the Cal upgrades
eternal escarp
tbh i personally think the gun should stay with 1 flare, since it litterly is only used twice anyways for battle
and flares are already jester + fire arrows with low damage basically
exotic stag
then whats the point of using spectralstorm cannon..
eternal escarp
because its still good?
exotic stag
spectralstorm is a good weapon tbf.. its just limited via flares
eternal escarp
unique ammo doesnt make the weapon good, the weapon itself does
zenith hazel
how?
eternal escarp
and spectral is only used for deus and ML
summer sentinel
Flares are extremely cheap to buy though makes it not an issue
eternal escarp
thats like most weapons timespans
zenith hazel
how is it limited via flares?
exotic stag
flares: 2 damage..
zenith hazel
ok, try using it ingame against ml
summer sentinel
Ammo type Brav, you can't mix it, it's only 1 ammo kind
exotic stag
i did do that
eternal escarp
flarestorm is unique with its 2 attacks, and spectralstorm tbh doesnt really need the flares
exotic stag
i used it and decided to ignore it because of the fact it only hit with the souls..
eternal escarp
spectral storm is very good for ML, just saying lmao
and its pretty nice for deus aswell when you shoot the head
zenith hazel
then aim
exotic stag
the homing properties are good but the spread on the flares is just worse...
eternal escarp
the weapons are not limited by the flare at all
exotic stag
its like trying to aim chain gun but flares.
zenith hazel
then beat up deus with that
hollow shell
You know the flares don't actually deal 2 damage right
eternal escarp
but chain guns are good
zenith hazel
that thing has a fat hitbox
eternal escarp
they deal 1 without any accesories iirc
zenith hazel
if you can’t land the flares on that then idk
hollow shell
No I mean, they inherit the damage of the weapon
eternal escarp
deus is litterly a giant worm, and ML hand eyes are a great victim to spectralstorms pierce
hollow shell
They deal 48 base damage
eternal escarp
No I mean, they inherit the damage of the weapon
oh, thats new to me
hollow shell
All weapons / ammos are like this
eternal escarp
good to know lmao
frail mantle
iirc ranged weapon damage = ammo damage + weapon damage
tawny garden
yeah
hollow shell
(so I guess technically 49 or 50 base damage)
eternal escarp
so yeah, even then the gun is pretty good already
flares dont limit spectralstorm nor the flarestorm imo
zenith hazel
also bot should be good now
eternal escarp
noice
zenith hazel
in 30s
frail mantle
gameing
eternal escarp
thats gaming moment right there
summer sentinel
Brav did you really just tell someone to aim
eternal escarp
i mean, i dont blame him
summer sentinel
I don't either it was just funny to me
eternal escarp
lmao
eternal escarp
i mean, spectralstorm doesnt even have that much of spread tbh
zenith hazel
honestly if you want aiming practice then zerg lunar events and shoot
eternal escarp
~~its still more then usable for the bosses it is viable for untill it becomes elemental blaster ~~
tawny garden
it’s common sense to aim with braindead class
people who use the class are braindead enough to the point that aiming isn't common sense
summer sentinel
zerg solar eclipse is one of the best ways to practice aiming because vampires™️
small hitbox, deadly and quick, the perfect practice
golden narwhal
Does recent sugg need an exclamation until more reasoning is added
tawny garden
yes
fossil finch
why did someone suggest variants
mage, ranger variants
why
i feel sad i didn't see that when it was posted
well whatever
crystal iron
My wording is 👌
golden narwhal
DoT debuffs being insanely useful as always
frail mantle
make DoT debuffs deal damage depending on enemy health, with late game debuffs dealing a higher percentage
crystal iron
It's useless :)
swift wharf
As late game gear inflict stronger debuffs
unreal viper
Hey you guys are the beta testers, you want that change go right ahead mr. arm man.
swift wharf
It's useful early game
cobalt pewter
I think there was a sugg to repalce on fire with something better later in the game
unreal viper
On fire is inflicted by tons of things later in the game.
crystal iron
It's useful early game
No
cobalt pewter
Exo weapons still inflict On Fire! for some ungodly reason.
swift wharf
Exo weapons still inflict On Fire! for some ungodly reason.
Funny elemental mix
pine star
make DoT debuffs deal damage depending on enemy health, with late game debuffs d...
mobile terraria did that
crystal iron
Even for king slime 5 extra DPS doesn't do much difference
pine star
Also Elemental Mix debuffs are far stronger than On Fire
whole sedge
yeah it's literally on fire
exotic stag
its just fire m8
Its literal fire
you cant just go "wel i want this thing" because bro. its fire
cobalt pewter
crystal iron
On fire for 2 seconds
exotic stag
it also inflicts frostburn
which is like
the same as fire
but little more damage
cobalt pewter
Frostburn is still sorta applied to late game stuff as well
DoG always inflicts it
summer sentinel
Why is on fire there for 2 seconds it does practically nothing then
cobalt pewter
Yes
summer sentinel
Scaleable on fire debuff, now that'd be interesting
cobalt pewter
Probably just flavor at this point
swift wharf
Replace on fire with daybroken post ml
cobalt pewter
Everyone knows all bosses are immune to on fire and frostburn at this point
lole
Now more things like Crush Depth
I can get behind
So something that deals more dmg on certain conditions
summer sentinel
Inflict creative shock on the enemies
cobalt pewter
Or less
cobalt pewter
Inflict creative shock on the enemies <:pogU:774871125665775627>
Scal loses her arena 
summer sentinel
Perma enraged, whoops
pine star
cobalt pewter
I was going to sugg smth about retiering Hadarian Wings
But there's literally nowhere relevant to retier it in HM
eternal escarp
before astral?
cobalt pewter
Post-Aureus would make Hoverboard irrelevant
cobalt pewter
Post-ML would make Vortex Booster and Nebula Mantle irrelevant (since it has better hover mechanics)
Current spot is bad because why is Exodus there
cobalt pewter
That is an option
golden narwhal
remove it
eternal escarp
tbh hadarian wings are too situational
unreal viper
We can’t sugg that
eternal escarp
ti get the mantle u need an astral desert
unreal viper
cobalt pewter
Hadarian Wings is a neat design but shows up at the wrong time
unreal viper
No sugging meaningful changes :(
eternal escarp
i think removing the mantle and making it post deus pre ML is the better idea
so hadarian wings can be more widesprrad used
cobalt pewter
The time when everyone are meta whores and go for Exodus as soon as you can farm some Fragments and Blobs
cobalt pewter
Hadarian mob needs to spawn at a lower rate on any surface astral to start
eternal escarp
- push exodus back like the rest
-remove the mantle used in cradting the wings, since its badicslly material bloat
thats it actually
pushing back exodus makes hadarisn viable
cobalt pewter
Ehh
I'd be more in favor of retiering Hadarian actually like
Once you beaten ML, you'll throw the wings
In favor of pillar wings or tracers
eternal escarp
fair
maybe remove astral bars need and make then a pre hardmode / post aureus wings?
cobalt pewter
imo anywhere between cultist and ML shouldn't have any wings
cobalt pewter
Because either they'll have a stupidly short lifespan (Hadarian), or it's Exodus
Early hardmode is fucking bloated with wings
eternal escarp
i mean tbh
summer sentinel
Vanilla™️ my friend
eternal escarp
the only ones i see used are frozen and angel
summer sentinel
At least calamity adds special bonuses for those wings so you can have variation in picking them, for vanilla it's literally pointless
eternal escarp
ye
glass sentinel
calamity already adds like a dozen fire debuffs
eternal escarp
maybe make the buff of hadarian wings better with astral ore? to make them both more viable
since no one uses astral aemour tbh
glass sentinel
hey
eternal escarp
so maybe we can get 2 birds in one stone
glass sentinel
its a great armor set
eternal escarp
it is yeah
glass sentinel
byea
eternal escarp
but it gets overshadowed very quickly
glass sentinel
no one uses it
eternal escarp
thats the thing lol
glass sentinel
make it buff astral weps or someyhing
eternal escarp
making hadarian synergise with astral better might make both viable
glass sentinel
i used it in my rev nohit i think
eternal escarp
its too situational to get, and gets overshadowed quickly
glass sentinel
tru tru
cobalt pewter
Exodus Wings exist and you'll immediately shaft Hadarian wings pML
tawny garden
you people use the Hardmode Calamity-added wings?
eternal escarp
so hadarian + astral synergy buff when?
eternal escarp
lmao
tawny garden
eternal escarp
yeah
cobalt pewter
Remove it
eternal escarp
thats what i said lmao
cobalt pewter
And make the wings drop directly from Hadarians
eternal escarp
its the matireal bloat everyone forgot about
glass sentinel
then just make a sugg to remove wing item things
like giant harpy feather
and stuf
glass sentinel
exactly
eternal escarp
haroy coulda used normal feathers
flame could've used hellstone
bone could have used bones
bone feather doesnt even make sense
glass sentinel
demon and angel should not exist
glass sentinel
they have slightly different stats
unreal viper
Really?
eternal escarp
byeah
theres so many wings with material bloat
ssdly its all vanilla
and i doubt they will remove vanilla stuff
glass sentinel
i think?
tawny garden
they have slightly different stats
they do not, at least not in vanilla
hot zephyr
the solution to vanilla material bloat is to allow the materials to be crafted with lesser ones
tawny garden
the only diff between them is Soul of Light/Night
tawny garden
the solution to vanilla material bloat is to allow the materials to be crafted w...
what
eternal escarp
the solution to vanilla material bloat is to allow the materials to be crafted w...
so like, what ive said a few messages ago?
tawny garden
it sounds like he means "crafting materials that are crafted with crafting materials"
hot zephyr
Not really
It means you can ignore the shitty one off materials while they still exist if other things need em', ie if you're running other mods
eternal escarp
that would keet the material bloat, just with a recioe now
tawny garden
what is this, crafting materialseption?
hot zephyr
Beats doing nothing
hasty moon
it's better than straight up removing vanilla materials
hot zephyr
Or maybe give the vanilla materials a higher drop chance but make them more useful
eternal escarp
imo the problem isnt getting the wings, its the bloat sll the eings have with their one off material
like hadarian membranes
they litterly have no use iirc
other then this not reslly used wings sadly
tawny garden
tbf vanilla wing crafting materials aren't the only thing in the recipe, there are also Souls of Flight
eternal escarp
and the membrane could easily be deleted without a change to the wing as far as i can tell
hot zephyr
It makes a niche enemy even more worthless
eternal escarp
well, soul of flight isnt bloat, since its used it pretty much every one, imo vanila should have made wings use normal crafting ingredientsz like feather for harpy, hellstone for demon, bones for bone wings ect
hasty moon
i don't see a problem with making hadarians drop the wings directly, i just don't like the idea of removing vanilla materials
eternal escarp
also, can make the wings frop grom hadarians aswell, like feedzuh said
which makes more sense tbh
and removed the need for the membranes
god i hate phote typing
unreal viper
pine star
hot zephyr
The year is 2026. Once #suggestions-discussion took over development of the Calamity Mod, they began implementing drastic measures to reduce material bloat. In a grand finale, they decided to remove materials outright. There are now zero materials in Terraria.
hot zephyr
You can no longer craft weapons into other weapons, or craft weapons to begin with.
All characters now start with every boss summon, defeating a boss grants you the entire tier's weapons, armors, accessories, and consumables.
eternal escarp
sounds like a new game entirely tbh
tawny garden
tawny garden
eternal escarp
surely it will get released
tawny garden
pine star
cobalt pewter
pine star
hardy dock
hey out of curiosity whats your opinion on the Zerg Potion
i was thinking id make a suggestion about it
hardy dock
to make the spawn rates increase the longer you have the buff
it feels a little underwhelming as is
eternal escarp
chaos candle and water candle
hardy dock
fair
golden narwhal
Erase your memory of the first zerg potion, and it'd be good
crystal iron
:(
eternal escarp
or just use luiafk
crystal iron
or cheat sheet
hardy dock
i wanted a middle ground between insane and reasonable
eternal escarp
i mean
u can adjust
water candles, chaos and battle
all 4 shluld be old zerg potion
hardy dock
yeah thats why i wanted to ask before suggesting
tawny garden
Erase your memory of the first zerg potion, and it'd be good <:wedragud:70483447...
can't
eternal escarp
how much does zerg increase by exactly?
eternal escarp
and the other stuff?
tawny garden
boosts all spawn rates and maximum spawn count by 400%
crystal iron
i excpected zerg to increase spawn rates byu 30x
eternal escarp
im in phone i cant wiki doodle sadly
hardy dock
ye its kinda disappointing
tawny garden
i excpected zerg to increase spawn rates byu 30x
that's exactly what it did pre-nerf
crystal iron
oh
tawny garden
spot on
hardy dock
but you got a point about the candles
hardy dock
candle is 50% spawn 33% max
eternal escarp
water?
hardy dock
sounds right
eternal escarp
huh
tbh i still thought zerg was less then 400%, and i thiugh chaos would be higher ngl
hardy dock
honestly i dont really even feel much of a difference when i use zerg
eternal escarp
maybe buff chaos candle instead, if its about that buff?
hardy dock
yeah
eternal escarp
since zerg is post SG
hardy dock
only issue is cost
crystal iron
i think maybe instead of buffing zerg they should make an uopgrade post ml or smth
hardy dock
eh
hardy dock
are we allowed to suggest new items?
eternal escarp
and when do you get it
pine star
no
eternal escarp
broad only, not specific items
eternal escarp
and when are they available?
hardy dock
post plant
eternal escarp
well
hardy dock
they take cores of chaos
eternal escarp
if zerg is 400% post SG, then why chaos is 66% post plant, does it calculate after the other buffs?
tawny garden
i can ask the terraria server
bad idea tbh, I'd be surprized if any regular there knows anything about redcode
hardy dock
its worth a shot
tawny garden
hardy dock
crystal iron
i wouldnt be surprised if red himself didnt know
tawny garden
I'm looking into this shit
crystal iron
😔
eternal escarp
thanks philo
hardy dock
eternal escarp
tbh i never really saw terraria server sll that much
dont think ive ever spoken a word there
hardy dock
im not in it tbh
i should be since im a tester for the deposed radiance mod
but im not 
eternal escarp
lole
tawny garden
yeah, tmod server has cool people in it
cobalt pewter
hardy dock
oof yeah shouldve checked that lmao
k anyway
should i post my original suggestion idea
eternal escarp
maybe, slthough i thought of buffing the chaos candle instead, if it doesnt calculate after the other buffs have been applied
hasty moon
i'd assume it does because zerg + chaos seems to be more than you'd expect combining the two
hardy dock
i still have to wait for the timer to run out
hasty moon
yeah
hardy dock
maybe make some kind of buff set bonus to make the rates even higher with both on?
eternal escarp
maybe someone who knows code will come by soon
hasty moon
just if you can't find out
eternal escarp
or philo with the information
hardy dock
philo is the k e e p e r o f k n o w l e d g e on the suggestions channel
eternal escarp
philo is the knowledge
tawny garden
fuck I should really decompile the codebase once and have it somewhere
hardy dock
join the cult of philo
tawny garden
just so I don't have to fucking
wait a year
each time I want to take a look at Terraria.NPC.cs
eternal escarp
lmao
eternal escarp
dw, a year is only 2 days away
tawny garden
why is it all in one place
hardy dock
ok i think were steering into offtopic
eternal escarp
were just waiting till we can continue the suggestiong discussion
wouldnt call it mega off topic, but maybe yeah
crystal iron
i think sugg disc is another general at this point 😔
hardy dock
well imma leave if anyone wants to complain about me give me a ping
eternal escarp
so is #calamity-mod-talk
crystal iron
tawny garden
it stacks with everything
eternal escarp
oh
tawny garden
the sunflower, calmed, etc.
eternal escarp
so like, 66% ontop of zerg 400%
tawny garden
probably yeah
eternal escarp
yeah so thst makes way more sense
in that case, zerg is prolly good enough with a water candle to be close the the old one and with chaos to resemble old zerg
tawny garden
the vanilla priority is this btw: invis → calmed → sunflower → ZoneWaterCandle → ZonePeaceCandle
eternal escarp
wierd priority
eternal escarp
well thats interesting
hardy dock
priority in terraria is always weird
thats something ive picked up the longer ive been in the modding community
tawny garden
but I dunno where Cal inserts its code
probably after it
it overrides EditSpawnRate(), a tML function
pine star
what?
hardy dock
make Voodoo dolls sold by the Wizard
hollow shell
Do people just dislike this recipe?
hardy dock
itd be more consistent with other boss summons
tawny garden
Leather is hard to get in Crimson worlds, in fairness
hollow shell
tawny garden
oh
sleek turret
i mean yeah, you better uhh, just wish RNG for vertebrae drops.
hollow shell
Long time ago
tawny garden
well...
hollow shell
It's on an Oct 2019 version of the page
tawny garden
I'm braindead I guess
hollow shell
I'll go back further..
hollow shell
Leather recipe seems to have been added in September of 2017
Mention the recipe in your suggestion, Atomguy
Explain why it is insufficient
zenith hazel
an alternative version of the doll that doesn’t kill the guide wouldn’t be too bad either
hollow shell
(The recipe was added in November 2018 for those curious
It used Blood Orbs at the time. Later changed to the Evil Essences, then later changed to current Evil Mushroom Powders)
hardy dock
an alternative version of the doll that doesn’t kill the guide wouldn’t be too b...
it wouldn't, but this is more along the lines of what other summons have
zenith hazel
yea I’m more so expanding on your point of making farming wall be more streamlined
tawny garden
an alternative version of the doll that doesn’t kill the guide wouldn’t be too b...
isn't killing the Guide fun tho
hollow shell
Also Atom you say the other summoning items have recipes
But Voodoo Dolls are also dropped by enemies
hardy dock
my point isn't that its hard to get
its that its the only consumable summon not sold by npcs
hollow shell
I suppose so.
golden narwhal
Shade, need to separate the two ideas into two separate suggs
ashen warren
Shade, need to separate the two ideas into two separate suggs
Alright I will edit that
hot zephyr
Also.... rebalances 
golden narwhal
hot zephyr
Everything is being rebalanced in 1.5 so the suggestion is pretty pointless until we know about how gamma heart is getting changed.
ashen warren
I loved the weapon but I really couldn't use it for dog
ashen warren
That's true but I'm suggesting a re tier
Not a buff or nerf
Allow it to have its own spotlight for a bit
golden narwhal
Byea, like feeddz said this line isn't needed, since it's normally best to leave specifics to the devs
and get it's damage nerfed to 40 instead of 120
radiant meadow
well
it kind of drops from Nuclear Terrors
which are a tier 3 enemy
and Nuclear Terror has some other planned goodies that never made it into the AR update
sleek turret
uhh, this suggestion is kinda specific in some points.
tawny garden
yeah, it is
@ashen warren you shouldn't have specific numbers in your sugg
(unless you explicitly denote that it's an example, and even then don't overdo it)
golden narwhal
Also, the "dont beat yharon, then beat again" is resolved next update
tawny garden
yeah
quasi tundra
@MrAsianMan when was that said, I just joined
tawny garden
golden narwhal
tawny garden
also if you're not gonna delete the sugg, a mod will
cuz you're not allowed to make boss suggestions
golden narwhal
Everything that's changed as a result of that change is below the linked message btw
mighty knot
@quasi tundra don't quote me on this, but that might be disallowed since boss suggestions aren't allowed...?
might be just specific boss suggestions though
you can suggest for a boss to be refought/moved to a different tier though
that sugg might be fine but be prepared
tawny garden
it's already been said that it's not allowed smh
mighty knot
oh I don't have this chat unmuted
tawny garden
also smh @radiant meadow delete this
radiant meadow
I was waiting to see if they would edit it or delete it themselves.
tawny garden
it's not salvageable tho
mighty knot
uh
tawny garden
quasi tundra
@TheViralMelon I would have the some hardmode bosses buffed and drop different items tbh
mighty knot
well I mean
there was a suggestion before that said yharon 1 should be fought earlier so there's more of a buildup to yharon 2
that's kinda what I was thinking
@ashen warren agree tbh but you need to remove the specific damage numbers as that's disallowed
tawny garden
I believe that's some kind of cipher, idrk
it deciphers to this:
R1-VI P-6 R-6
R2-I P-6 R-6
R3-III P-6 R-6
bq cr di ej kw mt os px uz gh
@mighty knot Like before dog?
tawny garden
hollow shell
I mean
radiant meadow
I don't think you can really suggest something to be post-SCal
since that's like dev tier
hollow shell
Well
The only non-"endgame" boss you use it for currently is SCal
If it's overpowered for SCal then you can suggest it get nerfed
dapper violet
“yeah this weapon is dumb and overpowered because i say so”
Nerf!
hollow shell
Nerfing it would be a much less drastic decision than moving its tier
dapper violet
does it overperform compared to other true melee post-yharon?
hollow shell
(It's the only true melee post-Yharon. The boss is SCal)
dapper violet
tawny garden
quasi tundra
@hollow shell honestly, yeah that seems like a better decision, but that luxors gift setup is bs
hollow shell
Perhaps
If you want, you can make your suggestion pertain to Mura + Luxor specifically
dapper violet
if it’s too strong when paired with a certain accessory then maybe the accessory is the problem
quasi tundra
@dapper violet I'm 90 percent sure with a quick enough trigger finger, you could hit 1 mil dps without accessories or endgame armour
radiant meadow
what version number is your Calamity Mod?
quasi tundra
@dapper violet I'm certain there's someone out there who could do it
dapper violet
no i believe you because i’ve seen a video of a guy doing it
and I thought they fixed it
quasi tundra
@dapper violet I'm talking about human genetics, not hacks
radiant meadow
@quasi tundra what version number of Calamity do you have?
quasi tundra
@radiant meadow Idk I'll probably check tomorrow
dapper violet
do you know what a macro is
it’s not hacking
radiant meadow
because Luxor's Gift's potential was shafted a few updates back
and if you're outdated, then yes, Luxor's Gift may be strong
quasi tundra
@dapper violet in certain situations it could be considered one
radiant meadow
(you also don't need to ping so much probably)
quasi tundra
I've just joined so I'm off the goop
zealous ridge
I've just joined so I'm off the goop
right click on the message and select reply to do this
quasi tundra
@zealous ridge I'm not on pc tho
frozen hornet
You can do it on mobile,no?
zealous ridge
i dont think im able to, but its whatever
quasi tundra
Just found out how to reply on mobile
zealous ridge
sooo, murasama is insanely fucked in damage
not like, bad fucked
but really powerful
i dont think its as abusable with luxor's as it was
frozen hornet
Was the spam click removed? I remember hearing that it was removed
terse sundial
it was patched
zealous ridge
i didnt know about anything like that but im guessing what TK said was true
terse sundial
not necessarily removed
zealous ridge
yeah, i mean
you could still spam click im just guessing theres a global cooldown not dependent on usetime as much
or like, a maximum firerate
gaunt quest
Make mushroom boomed bigger oof that typo
hot zephyr
Mushroom biomes get bigger in 1.4
hot zephyr
Nice
zealous ridge
yeah, mushroom biomes arent likely to be changed in light of 1.4 changing stuff
tawny garden
quasi tundra
Mushroom biomes get bigger in 1.4
I thought that fotw exclusive
tawny garden
🍄 💥
hot zephyr
it's also worldgen changing which is nono
hot zephyr
I thought that fotw exclusive
Nope
tawny garden
it's also worldgen changing which is nono
that's not a nono per sugg rules
zealous ridge
but ftw changes it to be even larger
gaunt quest
Also onyxia your suggestion says make mushroom boomed bigger not Biome
quasi tundra
no its mushroom biomes in general in 1.4
So in fotw there way bigger
hot zephyr
It's not a don't but there's a higher chance of hell freezing over than that suggestion being implemented
tawny garden
yeah, true