I was going to include a point about true melee, but I ran out of space 
#suggestions-discussion
tawny garden
tawny garden
the margin is too narrow to contain that
unique kite
i think that point was more important than most of the rest
hot zephyr
That's why we give True Melee moonwalk, to improve DPS consistency and allow for mobility so TM isn't regarded as silly facetank subclass.
hot zephyr
👁️
unique kite
the whole suggestion doesn't mention true melee at all even though it's about a mechanic designed around true melee
tawny garden
tbh
hot zephyr
Because Rage being a tool for true melee was an afterthought
sand umbra
as someone who knows the char limit very well I can tell you he doesn't have room to add it
hot zephyr
It's so minor it might as well not exist.
tawny garden
if it's only about true melee, why does it get so much attention
unique kite
it doesn't
it gets 1 accessory and 3 consumables
draedon's heart doesn't count, it's a combo accessory
hot zephyr
what
unique kite
the only rage accessory is heart of darkness right
tawny garden
I mean in the sense of
it even has a mention in [[Revengeance]]'s tooltip
red stormBOT
hot zephyr
I mean, it's a core feature of Revengeance
unique kite
yeah since it still is a mechanic
hot zephyr
It takes up the same space as Adrenaline
unique kite
needs to be explained lmao
hot zephyr
If it was just for true melee, it'd be like stealth and be invisible without a true melee wep
tawny garden
and if you go by your logic, Adrenaline gets even less attention
hot zephyr
Or tied better into the class then what it currently is
unique kite
i think it should be for true melee only actually
that's a good idea
hot zephyr
Because it's only loosely tied in with True Melee, only a handful of weapons actually work with rage
It needs to be completely overhauled because it's current state is terrible
pine star
yes
hot zephyr
Needs to be what Stealth is to rogue
unique kite
a mostly useless gimmick?
hot zephyr
Or just flat-out removed because taking damage shouldn't be encouraged
tawny garden
so you're saying that melee should actually have a mechanic?
hot zephyr
Yes
sand umbra
Needs to be what Stealth is to rogue
well yes but actually no because Stealth has its own vast wealth of issues
tawny garden
blasphemy
hot zephyr
Stealth has issues, yeah
pine star
well yes but actually no because Stealth has its own vast wealth of issues
:hahaech:
hot zephyr
But it's integrated miles better than rage
tawny garden
Stealth has issues, yeah
they're gonna be fixed in 1.5 (probably)
unique kite
integrating rage to melee is a bit janky sicne true melee is a side effect more than a class
hot zephyr
For one, it's actually useful on a decent selection of weapons, has many different accessories, is integrated with it's classes armor, etc
From what I've heard of 1.5, a lot of stealth issues will be fixed.
ashen warren
A REWORK OF BOMB ROGUE SUBCLASS/NEW MECHANICS
-for starters,
i want you to name every single subclass in the rogue class; you will most likely have two notable ones in mind
- the "other thrown" that might be boomerangs consumables and non consumables
- THE BOMBS; the more devastating of the bunch
but also the lacking one, you might say that the subclasses are in general lacking in unique gameplay since other weapons do offer AOF damage as well and this is why i'm suggesting a bomb rework.
first things first i imagine this mechanic to be more about the player's movement to land devastating bombs on enemies for the most part and stealth strikes to be ummm... to put it in other words "suicideless kamikazes" which helps the player to navigate their way out of a sticky situation. its mechanics should go something like this:
- while holding a bomb rogue weapon you would get unique dashes in any direction that throw the bomb in the opposite direction (i first thought of the need to position yourself above enemies so bombs cant drop on them but i don't think it is a good idea anymore)
- you would get the option of stealth strikes either launching you to the enemy to explode with it like the "Forgotten Apex Wand" sharks
- one more idea would be calculated explosions like setting them up (i think there is something like this already)
-my first reason behind this change is stated above but also i think rewarding the player for good movement to deal damage is a good idea. another reason maybe that the bomb subclass is very similar in design at all stages of the game; even the stealth attack which just bloat the explosion
hot zephyr
bombs, spears, daggers
sand umbra
1.5 will definitely make stealth more viable
hot zephyr
more dashes is something to be avoided
sand umbra
it won't be necessarily fixed because its issues go deeper than that, but it will be viable
ashen warren
ay tom check out what i made
sand umbra
which is a big thing on its own
hot zephyr
What Stealth needs is an incentive to mix spam and stealth strikes
sand umbra
iskander that's cool I guess but also way too specific to actually pitch as a sugg
tawny garden
stealth being viable is good enough for now 
sand umbra
mhm
hot zephyr
right now it's just one or the other
sand umbra
one step at a time, gotta remember
one step at a time
hot zephyr
Yes, yes
ashen warren
thats sad, i'm gonna save it somewhere
hot zephyr
That's my philosophy with true melee
We'll see how my first suggestion goes
Then I'll make another
And so on
tawny garden
philosophy
pine star
violet dagger
crystal iron
I was thinking maybe rage could be somewhat inspired by Delta rune where u get rage points when ur close to a projectile rather than actually getting hit by the projectile
unique kite
that would be pretty janky and gimmicky overall, i think it would be better to have a consistent mechanic based on numbers
hot zephyr
You'd need checks for every projectile, and torches in 1.4 already get fucky
crystal iron
Oh ye
tawny garden
that's why I said "it has flaws of its own"
unique kite
is calamity going to do anything about the luck feature in 1.4
tawny garden
probably
unique kite
anything about/anything with
unique kite
nah only one shitty aspect of one shitty aspect of the shitty idea
they removed bad torch luck
crystal iron
Ah
tawny garden
they removed negative torch luck in 1.4.0.3
although this isn't really on topic here
unique kite
right
tawny garden
cuz future content suggs are a no
sand umbra
yeah
it's fine to bring up 1.4 points of interest in relevance to current-content suggs imo
but making suggs directly related to changing 1.4 stuff is cringe
unique kite
wait until next may for that
sand umbra
do what I do instead where you do everything in your power to subtly help push Calamity in the direction of being 1.4-ready without saying anything related to 1.4
and also just generally push for making the mod better in various facets of its design that nobody but me cares about
unique kite
like buffing sharpened buff
tawny garden
ah yes
sturdy geyser
and also just generally push for making the mod better in various facets of its ...
what if i
pushed to make the mod worse
😳
time to suggest to add more broadswords
sand umbra
finally, a worthy opponent
unique kite
better have some good shoulders to get that past the voting committee
sand umbra
our battle will be legendary
tawny garden
(no, it won't)
sand umbra
(it's legendary because I win by default)
sand umbra
tawny garden
(it's legendary because I win by default)
that's not legendary, that's just a rare variant
sand umbra
shhhhh
tawny garden
laugh at my shitty joke
sand umbra
I mean RIVs have historically been just get-outta-jail-free cards for their tiers
shoutout to Cryophobia lasting until like Skeletron or SG
unique kite
is eye of magnus legendary
sand umbra
Eye of Magnus is an RIV
crystal iron
That reminds me, are legendaries getting changed next update
tawny garden
shoutout to Cryophobia lasting until like Skeletron or SG
and also being near impossibru to get
sand umbra
it just has the rarity of a legendary because of the thing it drops from
to the point of its drop rate being 10% because Rune Wizards are so awful to hunt down
pine star
And I got one in my MELEE playthrough
unique kite
i use bags mod to ease up the grind a bit
pine star
unique kite
it's definitely overpowered as fuck but after your first 5 playthroughs balance doesn't matter anymore
tawny garden
And I got one in my MELEE playthrough
unique kite
anyway off topic as fuck here
crystal iron
Right
unique kite
reworking rage
shit
suggesting a rework of rage isn't very helpful really, they've probably already got that on the backlog
tawny garden
anyway off topic as fuck here
that's why I am the CEO of Offtopic
crystal iron
extremely off topic but how do I change my nickname in a server on mobile
unique kite
can't change nicknames here
tawny garden
you can't change your nick in here, yeah
tawny garden
but like
press on the three dots next to the server name
on a server that you have the perm
unique kite
so philo you should get a suggestion on what they should do with rage rather than just suggesting doing something with rage
unique kite
yeah but at that point you've already used 80% of the character limit explaining why they should do something with rage
tawny garden
that's where my sugg is kinda flawed:
unique kite
guess it's too specific of an issue to have a general suggestion about
any idea of what to do with rage is probably way too specific
tawny garden
there isn't really much to substitute it with
nah I don't think it would be specific
unique kite
i say just fuckin remove it and entirely rework heart of darkness instead
i really want heart of darkness to be useful
very fond of the book it shares its name with
ashen warren
Never once used rage in a boss seriously
tawny garden
that's why I wanted to still have "remove" as an option
unique kite
never once used rage at all here
i think the suggestion should just be to remove it mainly and rework it as a secondary idea
removing it is probably much better for reducing clutter of mechanics in rev mode and calamity as a whole
tawny garden
managed to use it like once or twice on WoF by the method that I described in the sugg, and it did jack shit
unique kite
i don't think many people would be sad to see rage go
crystal iron
I think rage should be a defensive mechanic rather than an offensive one
unique kite
so how about reworking the adrenaline dr mechanic into rage?
they both fill up passively but activating rage gives you dr while activating adrenaline gives you damage
tawny garden
it's a funny MGR:R reference
unique kite
well, should be the other way around actually
how about working adrenaline and rage into 1 bar that fills the way adrenaline does
if you activate the adrenaline part you get dr and some healing, if you activate rage you get the current damage boost
and you get none of the benefits if you get hit with full meter, currently the hit that knocks your adrenaline out does less damage which i think is silly
tawny garden
and uhh, with this sugg I mainly wanted to encourage them to do something grand with Rage, while I also understood that I gotta actually propose smth, which I tried to do at the end
unique kite
I think rage should be a defensive mechanic rather than an offensive one
i like this idea of making "rage" into a defensive mechanic, possibly with another name
tawny garden
cuz, as I said, they seem to want to keep rage roughly in the current state of being a reward for taking damage, which is a dead end
crystal iron
The thing is it's not very rewarding
unique kite
yeah, i think it would work better if it became a mechanic that helps them take less damage rather than a mechanic that directly conflicts with the (much much stronger) adrenaline
crystal iron
Ye they would have to rework the way of getting rage as well cuz it would make no sense to take damage just to take less damage
If yknow what I mean
unique kite
maybe have it be based on damage dealt somehow
adrenaline is a passive thing that charges regardless (which i think is a bit of an issue, i think that adrenaline scumming to save up during an easy phase shouldn't be a thing), so maybe time attacking instead
tawny garden
a reward for dealing damage is a kinda dumb concept
cuz
that's what you actually need to do
unique kite
is it more or less dumb than a reward for taking damage
tawny garden
ah, that's a fair point
unique kite
adrenaline is a reward for not getting hit
which is what you actually need to do anyway
i think that's a good concept, i'm just going to take back what i said about adrenaline scumming- allowing more room for strategising is good for the game
tawny garden
which is what you actually need to do anyway
not really, at least not for such a long period of time
unique kite
when are you supposed to get hit
unique kite
yeah my argument is a dead end nevermind
tawny garden
you're not supposed to be perfect is what I mean
unique kite
point is adrenaline is a well-designed and thought out concept while rage in its current state isn't
crystal iron
Maybe it should be based on health stuff
Like
If u don't heal then u get rage
Idk how exactly it would work
Maybe if u heal u reset it rage
Or smth
Idk
tawny garden
unless you're a nohitter
unique kite
currently doing an extra-dumb armageddon run so my brain is warped
crystal iron
Just thinking of smth at the top of my head
unique kite
i guess suggesting doing something at all with rage might be the best course of action after all
it's hard to think of shit when you're not a team of devs
tawny garden
crystal iron
Actually ye I think the taking damage thing could stay but as I said before it would give u a massive survivability boost
Cuz now that I think about it it does make sense I think
U take damage accidentally, cuz ur either bad at dodging or ur doing it on purpose
Therefore if ur bad at dodging it would serve as a break from all the projectiles so u can maybe position yourself or smth idk
And if u do it on purpose then it's a reward
Idek
I'm just repeating myself at this point
cobalt pewter
At chance
cobalt pewter
The doc I made about rage is just to make it more inline with it being a proper ripper like adren
But I totally don't mind making it a true melee thing
cobalt pewter
The removal proposition can probably be removed yes
tawny garden
that also means only the bot can repost this sugg so if the bot dies my sugg can't proceed
cobalt pewter
I'm thinking how many miliseconds fab would take to downvote that sugg as soon as he read the removal part
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
Especially since that's one of the mechanics from his particularly favorite game
cobalt pewter
and your sugg should be the 9th rage rework sugg lole
I'd probably remove the point about removal entirely, and just focus a lot on reshaping the mechanic
tawny garden
thing is
I kinda don't see it living happily at all
there isn't much you could do to it to bring it back from the coma
cobalt pewter
I can see that, but being pessimistic about rage in suggs won't help either imo
It just hasn't been balanced much yet
So just focusing on reshaping it to hell and back would be a slightly better option considering Rage's origin
tawny garden
thing is, if/when Fab downvotes it, other devs would probably follow as a matter of politeness
tawny garden
byeah I think I'm being too harsh at the last part
cobalt pewter
Rage can still be shaped around taking hits, but the way the threshold is needs to be way more forgiving
cobalt pewter
byeah I think I'm being too harsh at the last part
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
this turned out to be harder than expected
cobalt pewter
You can replace the removal thing with another thing: a bit balls-deep observation on why rage sucks. Currently it has 10000 as its bar, and Rage is a double of your damage taken (triple with Profaned Rage pots), so you need to take 5000 damage, regardless of progression, in order to have a full Rage with only taking dmg
cobalt pewter
yeah this just me leading to my doc lole
Byeah
I'm generally baffled how this isn't even thought out yet
I can't even think how often you'll take 5000 damage in fights
tawny garden
never
cobalt pewter
Yes
tawny garden
what else could be a substitute mechanic for it tho?
cobalt pewter
Not sure
That's why my doc was made with the intention of keeping its original purpose
cobalt pewter
😔
tawny garden
there, made Fab a bit less likely to get angry with me
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
also mentioned true melee with the newly-freed space
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
Needs to be what Stealth is to rogue
cuz Ian said it
cobalt pewter
Yeah I don't mind that
novel belfry
a reworked rage could be based upon how Gael's Greatsword uses rage
cobalt pewter
Eh
sleek turret
complete understandable suggestion.
river glen
Rage has no niche what so ever
u save rage
potion of darkness gives u the heart attack buff
+5% hp while u have rage
there is litterally no point to use rage
unless its a last ditch effort
in an attempt to seal the battle
Rage should just give DR during it
or something like that
tawny garden
Rage should just give DR during it
during it? for 5 seconds? 
pine star
crude geode
Philo that suggestion is going to get pushed up immediately
tawny garden
pushed up by what?
crude geode
any other suggestion that exists
tawny garden
ah, yeah
crude geode
It’s way too fucking big
tawny garden
I followed Thomas in his footsteps
hot zephyr
pine star
tawny garden
not intentionally tho
just that it's not really compressible
well, I posted this sugg and this started to play:
which is prolly a sign
river glen
during it? for 5 seconds? <:CalWheeze:567894032198533126>
like 15-25%
i dunno
something grewarding
for getting it
river glen
well
yeah
but its also the problem of not using rage
at all
people wouldnt want to use rage
even if they had it
that passive 5% hp
is massive
tawny garden
it's not really
not for surviving 5000 damage
and not for being randomly added or taken away
rose latch
I kinda like the idea of a boost from getting hit but it being a ripper for 5000 damage just doesn't work
maybe rage could only be active during a boss fight like adrenaline and then rather than being a ripper it gives you buffs for the rest of the boss fight based on how much damage you have taken
crude geode
The problem is that you have to adapt it to the defense of melee, meanwhile summoner has like literally nothing
rose latch
but with more defence you take less damage
for optimal rage building, health regen is the way to go
crude geode
it’s still able to actually take the hits that are dealt out
proud parcel
Summoner has slots though
rose latch
the only time I've ever liked rage is using gaels greatsword
crude geode
Gael’s greatsword is a clusterfuck
I’ve used it during ceaseless void, and that’s about it
maybe yharhar
tawny garden
@ashen warren "tier", not "teir"
crude geode
I dunno about this, I think event horizon looks pretty cool rn
tawny garden
also can someone get my sugg into voting so that it would sit at the bottom of the channel for 24 hours
proud parcel
~~also can someone get my sugg into voting so that it would sit at the bottom of...
Time for some emote suggestions
ashen warren
Something around that
tawny garden
don't you fucking dare
sleek turret
emotes suggestions every millenia.
proud parcel
Using some nice large png attachments
crude geode
Experience Despair
hot zephyr
Emote suggestion time
cobalt pewter
The problem is that you have to adapt it to the defense of melee, meanwhile summ...
Have you seen my rage doc btw?
, now we need :why:, :who:, :when, :where:, and :how:
earnest cape
tranquil perch
well, I posted this sugg and this started to play:
clicks download
thank you
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
long widget
do all suggestions get reviewed after voting?
cobalt pewter
You should check the doc more yes
cobalt pewter
I never actually tested it properly yet, but theoretically it should be a bit better on stealth
cobalt pewter
Sometimes people with at least cool dude role has beta tester role as well
real steppe
I dunno how grazing can be added but that sounds fun for that rage suggestion
cobalt pewter
Fab is against grazing for rage iirc because of performance issues
crude geode
Sounds like it would cause that
And it is kinda ech against certain things like dog’s laser walls
eternal escarp
making rocket launcher, sniper rifle ect
be sold after cultist instead of after golem
this is the tl;dr basically
burnt beacon
what do we think about making more of the magic guns mage/ranger hybrids? i think it would be an easy way to lessen the lack of ranged weapon variety compared to other classes. I get that ranger is generally the class with the least weapon variety, but theres no reason not to lessen that if possible
proud parcel
The only thing with that is, hybrid weapons are...
cobalt pewter
Aether's Whisper
burnt beacon
i know the rogue/melee ones were getting yeeted but i thought that was more to do w/ rogue stealth
proper grail
what do we think about making more of the magic guns mage/ranger hybrids? i thin...
Ranged weapons have little variety but way too many weapons
burnt beacon
true, but i think this on the whole would improve matters
because theyre not only ranged weapons
tawny garden
Ozza will not like this sugg
ranged/magic hybrids suck because
the ranged version is just the magic version but it doesn't consume mana
sand umbra
(you could always: make it more than that)
(hybrid weps are an underutilized concept and I think Aether's Whisper if it were expanded upon a little would be a good way of expanding upon that)
(then again Calamity has historically not done too much to incentivize multiclassing annd has actually done a notable amount to discourage it, directly or by design, so it might just be a moot point in this scenario)
crude geode
Summoner hybrids be like: watch this dies due to lack of support
distant gyro
on a larger scale hybrid weapons are funny and dumb at the same time
tawny garden
mhm
distant gyro
the fishing rod from fargo souls
sand umbra
"hey shitass wanna see me multiclass"
"stupid bitch"
/fucking dies
hot zephyr
Aren't hybrid weapons almost universally hated by devs, enough to where Aether's ranged variant has been on the chopping block for months?
tawny garden
Ozza wanted to remove its ranged capability
hot zephyr
Hybrids are just kinda 
sand umbra
there's no significant enough difference between its functionalities to justify it being a hybrid
crude geode
Whisper as a weapon isn’t designed well
sand umbra
well yes but actually no
hot zephyr
Plasma Rod... but it's a gun
sand umbra
though that's a topic for another time, perhaps
tawny garden
found it #suggestions-discussion message
hot zephyr
summoner rogue hybrid weapon 
tawny garden
CrabBar would like that one
crude geode
Plasma Rod, the weapon only used for it’s ichor, upgraded into a post ml weapon with no functions is ech
sand umbra
(would you believe me if I said I had a summon-rogue hybrid written up on the old hybrid overhaul doc)
tawny garden
I would
crude geode
yeah
sand umbra
(because I did exactly that with Fuel Cell Bundle and it was incredible)
hot zephyr
Hybrid weapons just don't fit well into the game's class sysrem
tawny garden
hm, I still have a link to that doc somewhere
hot zephyr
Fuel Cell Bundle is beenades on roids
sand umbra
Hybrid weapons just don't fit well into the game's class sysrem
in their current state, at least
there is hypothetically a way to do them in a way that fits into the class system but uh
Calamity doesn't quite do that
crude geode
Class identity is already something calamity tries to fix (and currently only somewhat succeeds)
sand umbra
uh
no?
in fact Calamity takes the problem of class identity and makes it noticeably worse
hot zephyr
Remove rogue flasks kthxbye.
sand umbra
flasks ain't shit compared to the real problems of the class identities displayed in Cal
crude geode
Actually yeah
sand umbra
namely the melee-rogue relationship in terms of weapon subclasses
crude geode
That’s at least somewhat getting fixed next update
distant gyro
nice tangent
sand umbra
shhhhhh
crude geode
flasks ain't shit compared to the real problems of the class identities displaye...
like AoTC
distant gyro
hot zephyr
It's still about hybrids
crude geode
Any excuse to shit talk AoTC is not a tangent
tawny garden
nice tangent
Tinder username!
distant gyro
just don't cause destruction
hot zephyr
You're kicking a dead horse, Cursed.
sand umbra
the horse is so dead that it actually transcended into the next life and is now undead
crude geode
I will kick it until it’s undead corpse dies
sand umbra
that is how universally applicable AotC is as a meme here
tawny garden
you realise that it can't die, no?
sand umbra
now then
if classes had a clear identity each, making a hybrid weapon would actually be a lot easier
ideally, a hybrid weapon allows the same item to be used in multiple different ways, with each one attuning to a different class
Calamity's current hybrid weapons do anything but this
the melee-rogue hybrids are literally just the same weapon with a different damage type (and a lot of them are boomerangs, further worsening an already-awful identity crisis boomerangs had)
and Aether's Whisper ranged is just Aether's Whisper magic but with no mana, no ammo consumed, and no suitable modifiers
there's no difference to it
it's just there
to me, that's not how a hybrid weapon ought to be
and the fact that people are so okay with removing that alternate-class functionality essentially does nothing but prove my point
silent jewel
lol
silent jewel
nah, i'm just surprised you retained the idea
sharp prism
@ Kirn
sand umbra
I suppose my stance on Whisper is that it should either
- have its ranged functionality significantly overhauled to have enough of a difference from the magic functionality to justify existing, or
b) have its ranged functionality removed entirely and just have its main mode of use be a little more interesting (it's literally just Plasma Rod but a gun with no debuffs)
crude geode
It’s already going to have b done iirc
hot zephyr
Good riddance
sand umbra
...wait
did I just tie one of my signature game design tangents into my response to a sugg without taking half an hour
what the fuck when did I get good at being concise
silent jewel
i'm proud of u thomatomere
crude geode
ThomasThePencil is evolving!
hot zephyr
Class identity will never be changed enough to make hybrid weapons anything more than dumb gimmick weapons
crude geode
ThomasThePencil evolved into ThomasThePen!
hot zephyr
Yo wtf he just evolved and got 100 more words added to the cap
Now his suggestions can be 2100 characters
crude geode
hardy dock
eternal escarp
his ability is star magnet
eternal escarp
tbh, all he does is unleash the plague in calamity afaik
sinec u can fight cultist any time
civic notch
Martian madness
eternal escarp
eh
eternal escarp
its just 1 event, and hydrothermic comes in ravager aswell tbh
eternal escarp
also fishron and ravager can be fought before golem
ravager after plant, since bricks drop for bohldors
civic notch
ravager is def intended post golem tho
eternal escarp
i mean
in that logic, king slime is the biggest progression point because he is intended to be first
civic notch
?
eternal escarp
unless i understood smthn incorrectly
civic notch
There’s a reason why wizard sells the rods
Post golem
They can be of some use, I’ve used them post golem before
And sometimes world gen makes it so you can’t get them
So by making it post-cultist
It turns it into a crafting recipe
Nothing else
eternal escarp
i mean, you can always get them legitimetly
civic notch
How?
eternal escarp
which rod are you talking about? just to be sure?
civic notch
When worldgen fucks you that’s not always an option
Any of them
Any of the dungeon rods
eternal escarp
clothier sells all unsafe dungeon walls after plant afaik
cobalt pewter
Clothier sells unsafe walls all the time
civic notch
I don’t think everyone wants to spend 2 hours building an arena and grinding for a weapon
eternal escarp
oh
civic notch
Streamlining makes it easy
If you want players to grind
Make it for a really good weapon
Like the legendary drops
Don’t make people grind for outclassed Rods
Then they won’t
eternal escarp
i mean
eternal escarp
if they are outclasses the moment they are available, then why even bother?
civic notch
Why even bother with what
cobalt pewter
I'm pretty sure you don't need 2 hours to just slap different unsafe walls in a small area
eternal escarp
so 10 * 3
civic notch
Did take 3 hours
eternal escarp
eh
eternal escarp
but it mostly only takes about 20 minutes max
unless u have shit luck
since im pretty sure its like
1/15 drop?
for each weapon, that is
civic notch
Luck shouldn’t determine if you get a mediocre drop
Most people generally have a negative reaction to rng
If other options exist then they won’t go for the rng path
eternal escarp
thing is
eternal escarp
why would you bother getting a weapon that isnt worth it at all, when u only need it to craft smthn
civic notch
Because it could be fun to use?
eternal escarp
eh, i guess thats fair
civic notch
Like I actively like using those weapons
But I don’t wanna deal with getting them
So I sometimes wait until golem
To play around with them
And by the time cultist comes
There are no good situations for it
So it becomes a crafting recipe
Which sucks
civic notch
Sorry I need clarification
marble hazel
Rage becomes graze from fargos 😳
civic notch
Are you talking about removing as in moving the selling to post cultist
tawny garden
it's also a weird concept to me
(although afaik Fab was only against cuz it would cause performance issues)
marble hazel
Rage works on fargos because bosses in that mod shoot plenty projectile, whilst many cal bosses tend to dash on you as its main attack
Graze rather
Korbruhngo
tawny garden
I had a link to your doc in the sugg
but the link was too chonky
so I removed it
eternal escarp
tawny garden
in any case, at the end I just chucked some ideas in that I've seen people want to see
e.g. Ian's idea was that Rage should be integrated into True Melee
or differentiated
cobalt pewter
Too bad I'm yeeting it here anyways because my ego is stupid inflated and I wanna share this to ppl
tawny garden
yeah, that is grazing
civic notch
But as said
civic notch
It’s grazing
I feel it would work well with adren tho
As it adds to the risk reward
frozen storm
True Melee happiness
cobalt pewter
Again, grazing on rage isn't happening
frozen storm
Ye
tawny garden
Adrenaline is Belissimo rn
frozen storm
Like it will recharge fast like adrenaline
civic notch
Adren is fine
tawny garden
don't fix what's not broken, or you'll break it
cobalt pewter
Adren is fine as it is atm
tawny garden
Again, grazing on rage isn't happening
that is why it took me so long to write the sugg
I wanted to write it like
6 days ago
but I needed to think of what would replace it, and I couldn't think of anything because I simply can't think
cobalt pewter
Hence why I'm basing my concept off what the devs wanted it to do atm
frozen storm
Further you are, more agressive
tawny garden
Hence why I'm basing my concept off what the devs wanted it to do atm
the difference between me and you is that I have the balls to demand a full rework
civic notch
Ooooooooooh
cobalt pewter
civic notch
Dude fucking destroyed him
cobalt pewter
Holy
frozen storm
What if Rage mechanis be like Deltarune TP earning?
civic notch
That’s
tawny garden
oh god
civic notch
Grazing
frozen storm
cobalt pewter
That's grazing kekw
tawny garden
TP farming 
ashen warren
hot zephyr
Ok but like... when do big rework suggestions actually go through?
proper grail
When I post them.
hot zephyr
Link it
cobalt pewter
Ok but like... when do big rework suggestions actually go through?
big reworks are a don't
hot zephyr
Eeeexactly.
proper grail
Lock layer 4 abyss behind ML passed, somehow.
hot zephyr
We can yell about Rage until the cows come home but it's equivalent to screaming to the void if it ain't getting those funny 🏁s
zealous ridge
well, you could say that about anything
you're moreso saying that, like, because its big as fuck its unlikely to be implemented how the suggestion wants it, right?
because that is very true
cobalt pewter
Is rage even that big?
I reckon rage is just
Probably on the same tier as stealth
If not way simpler
zealous ridge
would that not be the issue?
its implemented in an entire mode, after all
well, okay
so you mean simple, what does that mean about how you feel about it as a mechanic?
because, for some, rage being so simple (and non-impactful) is what makes it a trash mechanic
tawny garden
We can yell about Rage until the cows come home but it's equivalent to screaming...
I got 5 suggs with a 👍, but which are unimplemented
which is like a half of all my suggs
hot zephyr
It'll be at 140 in an hour or two and then it's a race to see who pings Lauren the fastest.
proper grail
eternal escarp
ian has 3 camera pointing at the boohoo suggesting an an AI with a macro to ping
hot zephyr
Yes
"We'll be fine as long as nobody pings moderators."
"Question!"
"Yes, Ian?"
"I have pinged the moderators!"
"How many?"
"I have done nothing but ping the moderators for three days."
sleek turret
throws @ to the ground
hot zephyr
138
eternal escarp
pine star
proper grail
Pogu is getting good use I see
novel belfry
"We'll be fine as long as nobody pings moderators."
"Question!"
"Yes, Ian?"
"I h...
"Where are the moderators!?"
sleek turret
"Suggestion Alert! Boohoo reached 140 stars!"
"Boohoo reached 140 stars?"
proper grail
"We need to alert the moderators!"
tawny garden
this channel kinda descended to cringe
zenith hazel
you know
you have better things to do besides this
so get back to talking about actual suggestions instead of overhyping a god damn emote
tawny garden
@summer sentinel go go go deliver boohoo 
unreal viper
Feedzuh, I feel like you’ve ran out of good sugg material at this point.
Don’t see how that changes anything at all ever.
dapper coral
i'll do it
pine star
crystal iron
I don't see see how is ironic/more ironic than 
or 
weak field
It expresses a stronger emotion
tawny garden
it's a meme
hot zephyr
is sarcastic
tawny garden
Wait why is it boohoo~1
cause another server you're in has it
hot zephyr
The other two aren't sarcastic
frail mantle
feels more genuinely sad, is more of a jokingly sad emote, is "oh no whatever shall i do aah ooh ouch oof my bones"
hot zephyr
thank you, leg man.
crystal iron
Ah ig I see it now
But it's not obvious or maybe that's just me
looks more sarcastic to me
tawny garden
everybody interprets emotes slightly differently
tawny garden
haha rage
eternal escarp
rage? you mean that useless mechanic? haha funny times
eternal escarp
also imo, folly isnt nearly as hard, its not as random, and the feathers have small hitboxes and act the same always, and folly isnt really fast unlless it dashes, which he notifyies when he starts a dashing spree iirc
prty sure he glows or smthn
frozen storm
I have a video
eternal escarp
or roars
eternal escarp
prty sure he starts dashing after clones always, but idk, i cant really test rn nor check the wiki
frozen storm
No
His AI is random
He can start from Mass Feather
Or Dash
He has only 2 attacks
Duke Fishron has 3
eternal escarp
i mean, he cant summon s minion while attacking
so ill count summoning a minion as an attack aswell
frozen storm
Clones are ok
crystal iron
U said u had a video right
eternal escarp
the feather spam stays the ssme tbh
and u evade it the same just with the lighting pillars that you should prolly duke to the sides of the arena
frozen storm
But they lasts long
eternal escarp
thats how i do it atleast
thats ehy u place them at the side if the arena
how big is your arena?
eternal escarp
do you use the entire space to duke the lightning, and the hight for the feathers?
because in my point if view, its entirely possible to do so
frozen storm
I just dodge
eternal escarp
can you maybe show a video of how you fight folly maybe?
frozen storm
And Brib dashes nonstop
eternal escarp
and birb doesnt dash nonstop , thats for sure
tawny garden
eternal escarp
puilo stalking the suggestoon tab
tawny garden
HOLY SHIT
eternal escarp
thats a chonker
tawny garden
yes
eternal escarp
holy
tawny garden
I'm scared to look on mobile
tawny garden
yeah on mobile is 1.5 screens
frozen storm
Wait a sec
tawny garden
ye, back to birb
frozen storm
Up to ML
frozen storm
Uploading
frozen storm
14min
eternal escarp
meamehile show us your setup
unique kite
14 minutes for one fight is dum long
eternal escarp
i swear to god if this is alot of rund in 1
unique kite
this is every boss up to ml right
unique kite
he said every boss up to ml
eternal escarp
so give a stamped link
not just a link
go to the video when jts uploaded
click on share, and there shoukd be an option to stamp the video at a timeframe
frozen storm
Unreal Elemental Blaster
Seraph Tracers
Asgard's Valor
Ranger Emblem
Avenger Emblem
Destroyer Emblem
Sniper Scope
Artemis Emblem
Everything to Lucky
frozen storm
120+ attemps
eternal escarp
number of attempts dont change much imo
frozen storm
5 min
zenith hazel
nohits don't dictate how hard a boss is, most of the time
eternal escarp
yeah exactly
zenith hazel
they just show how skilled a player is when fighting said boss
eternal escarp
thats why i said no wonder it is difficilt at he start
zenith hazel
you can take like 9k attempts on ks for all I care
eternal escarp
its supposed to be
zenith hazel
that doesn't mean he's hard, it just means ks is not an easy boss for the player fighting him
eternal escarp
yeah
i mean, atill worth seeing the fight, but as you said
no hits dont really dictate the boss being hard, just that the player is having a difficulty alone
frozen storm
But when ltiterally spamming something is bad
eternal escarp
thing is
like i ssid before, in my point of viee
drsgonfolly isnt spammy at all
you just need to evade a bit more carefully and pay attention
frozen storm
And some feathers where i left
eternal escarp
still
thats more then managable imo
also folly slows down before starting to dssh from what i see in this video
frozen storm
No
He keeps distance from player
He have capped distance
And if he reaches that distance he dashes
eternal escarp
so
you litterly just prooved the fact you can know when he dashes
making it predictable
eternal escarp
still dont see how 8 to 10 feathers is mass
but i mean
this is all my opinion thh
summer sentinel
@tawny garden was afk for a bit, demik handled it
tawny garden
t'was a meme ping mostly
pine star
eternal escarp
also forgot to mention folly only dashed atleast 3 times in one spree
byesh thats it lol
river glen
can i suggest bloodfin to react with the potion hotkey instead of the buff hotkey
cuz if it does reactt with the potion
the bloodfin buff dosent activate
dapper violet
by all means
tawny garden
@river glen "well" shouldn't be uppercased in the title
river glen
is it fine tho
tawny garden
cause if you uppercase it it gives an impression of there being a Well somewhere in Terraria
river glen
Yes
hollow shell
(That Dragonfolly video is not great proof for his point
There was not a lot of feathers at any time and they move in a very predictable way. The only time the feathers were bullshit was his Arma death, where he had 1/4 of a second to react to a feather that spawned right in front of him
Fixing that would be a different suggestion than the one he made)
hollow shell
@torpid cedar Which one
golden narwhal
torpid cedar
the brimstone one
sleek turret
ye
hollow shell
Still has breasts but she don't got legs at least
hollow shell
There was one redesign which did have a chestplate, right?
mortal vigil
i have to agree that some of the female enemies need resprites
a chestplate or something would be good
gray nebula
i remember uhhhhhhhbjghg
mortal vigil
although this suggestion is poorly done
hot zephyr
If this doesn't get 400 stars I'm going to reclaim this part of the server and delete it.
hollow shell
Hang on
summer sentinel
Well this is a great sugg isn't it
tawny garden
mortal vigil
to be fair
proper grail
Why is this exclaimed?
mortal vigil
it's accurate
and it looked epic too
hot zephyr
Based.
mortal vigil
i always cover up my Heart of the Elements when my younger sibling walks in lol
gray nebula
bouuahhghgboubughhhblbl should have gotten used
tawny garden
Why is this exclaimed?
good point
hot zephyr
Rover, explain
summer sentinel
That does look real epic Iban, add it to the mod
gray nebula
look at dat awesome SLAPPER too
tawny garden
sharp prism
@ Stevie
mortal vigil
i mean
summer sentinel
I like the design of like her charred/brimstone like design of a dress
hot zephyr
It'll genderbend all the elementals so they're hot shirtless men.
mortal vigil
just have something.. covering them
proper grail
Seriously, this is a valid suggestion, Chippy got struck for this before
mortal vigil
^
hot zephyr
Goodbye, tiddy.
hollow shell
Yeah that one Iban
mortal vigil
if a mod deletes it, i'll redo it but seriously this time
proper grail
I'll redo it myself
hollow shell
Formatting
proper grail
It's a very good idea
gray nebula
jokes asides tho ngl i heavily prefer that inanis design over the one that got actually used 
sharp prism
proper grail
Reverse, if you delete it I'll write it up professionally
mortal vigil
you do it
tawny garden
well, it was a choice between epic and horny, and fab was making the decision
hollow shell
I mean I guess it doesn't need a separated topic and elaborated reason
I think the bot still takes it if it's just one short line?
But it would be preferable
proper grail
@torpid cedar
hollow shell
to have it in the traditional way
tawny garden
wait a minute
proper grail
well, it was a choice between epic and horny, and fab was making the decision <:...
That says everything you need to know
tawny garden
waaaaait a minute
are you uhh
trying to actually get them to elaborate on a sugg which might as well be classified as a joke, a resprite sugg and a future content sugg
mortal vigil
someone go interview fab about the sprite choices, he's in VC
proper grail
I think this might constitute the only valid exception for legal reasons
tawny garden
~~someone go interview fab about the sprite choices, he's in VC~~
no point in interviewing when the answers are already known
hollow shell
Well the resprite aspect is valid because it's not quality-based
It's not really future content based because this is a problem with both the current sprite and the resprite
Joke aspect is still on the table
mortal vigil
i honestly think this is important
proper grail
So let me rephrase it
tawny garden
well, it is planned
mortal vigil
and necessary
proper grail
Joke aspect removed
tawny garden
isn't it
hollow shell
But the resprite still has boobies
proper grail
Which is a problem
tawny garden
m
hollow shell
And I dunno how mormon/muslim this kid's dad is
mortal vigil
idk man, it would just be preferable if that was not inside of a video game mod for kids
tawny garden
tbf the game is 15+ iirc
hollow shell
Yeah this ain't a kids game