suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

or am I forgetting.

[hot zephyr]

April, pretty sure

Right around acid rain, pretty sure.,

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-discussion message

[crude geode]

okay I'm just being a boomer then

[hollow shell]

Timeline

[crude geode]

yee

[hot zephyr]

Question for you, Rover

Is suggestion meta talk allowed if there's nothing of actual importance in the other channels?

[crude geode]

(just to clarify) you refer to discussing about how suggestions work/commentary like what's currently going on?

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's allowed

[hot zephyr]

Good, good.

[crude geode]

chill

[hot zephyr]

Yes, Cursed.

Discussing the rules as a whole, suggestion viability, etc

[hollow shell]

It is winter after all

[proper grail]

[crude geode]

[hot zephyr]

Time to make a suggestion preventing Rover from making puns.

[hollow shell]

❗

[hot zephyr]

You can't stop all of us, Rover.

[hollow shell]

But I can silence you

[proper grail]

[hot zephyr]

"You fool, I have seventy alternative accounts!"

that feeling when Rover ❗ 'd your entire account.

[crude geode]

How many suggestions can devs handle a day, if you know, Rover? three? five? ten?

[hollow shell]

"handle" is a nebulous word

[crude geode]

this is true.

[sleek turret]

ian will make too many alternative accounts that 5-minute mails will eventually run out.

[radiant meadow]

Talking about suggestions like possibly changing rules and such is fine.

[hot zephyr]

The secret is just having the bot automatically filter my suggestions into a paper shredder.

[hollow shell]

We don't thoroughly consider every one that comes through, s'not like we'd be tripping over each other to talk about all the suggs rolling in
But it is better to have a slower flow than a more torrential one

in case there are stuffs that are potentially worth talking about

Then we can

[hot zephyr]

...do I ping feed now

[proper grail]

Hopefully Ectoblood gets killed

[crude geode]

I'll do it @cobalt pewter

[hot zephyr]

If it doesn't I'll suggest it and we'll try again

[hollow shell]

However

[hot zephyr]

This is the hill we're going to die on.

[hollow shell]

I do acknowledge that having more ideas get to the dev server also has its merit

To point the devs attention to issues they wouldn't have otherwise seen

[hot zephyr]

don't give him any more reasons

[crude geode]

Do you mind giving a few examples of said issues? I'm just curious and want to use said info to better my suggestions

[hot zephyr]

I think an issue with the current star limit is that you can't really talk about vague things, since you're gonna need every last star you best talk about something relatable to the average player.

[proper grail]

^

[crude geode]

^
people like stat sticks, for some reason.

[hot zephyr]

That's also why Thomas' suggestions don't make it, they're usually pretty specific.

[proper grail]

Such as building with Arsenal Blocks. Not everyone does this, therefore less stars

[hot zephyr]

Althouigh tbf my Arsenal block sugg passed.

[crude geode]

however, building literally anything besides obsidian in hell is apparently relatable

[pine star]

People like boring, but practical stuff

[proper grail]

That one was stupidly common sense

[hot zephyr]

I wish that there was a uniform way to classify suggestions based on their size and then have size-based star requirements but that's not really possible.

[sleek turret]

uhh, new sugg.

time to discuss it.

[hot zephyr]

But it's impossible.

[sleek girder]

just get the max stack plus extra mod

[hollow shell]

@wintry wharf There's a mod called MaxStack+

9999

[hot zephyr]

Bad sugg, there's a really good QoL mod that does exactly what you're looking for

[wintry wharf]

SAY WHAT!?

[hot zephyr]

Yes, yes.

[sleek girder]

i feel that you dont need to post a sugg if theres another small mod that implements what youre asking for

[sleek turret]

uhh, max stack plus extra exists!

[wintry wharf]

THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL NEVER TOLD ME

[proper grail]

999 is a perfectly fine number, other mods already do this, etc

[hollow shell]

RIP

[hot zephyr]

And it's not like LuiAFK or AlchemistNPC which have a bunch of garbage that ruin the mod either.

[crude geode]

Idk, maybe I'm not experienced but maybe if you used emotes or something the bot could use to identify it?

[sleek turret]

you can stack up to 100000 items in 1 slot via config.

[hot zephyr]

Interesting.

Giving emote perms in suggposting is a slippery slope, though.

It's also relying on players to be truthful.

[crude geode]

I mean.

exclaiming exists.

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

Thanks for being good about it, Fluff.

[radiant meadow]

React perms in posting should only be for mods I think.

[hot zephyr]

👍

[proper grail]

Thank you for being understanding :)

[hot zephyr]

You've got an interesting idea; Cursed.

[cobalt pewter]

This is why I'm doing less suggs and more docs ig idk

[crude geode]

Oh I was referring to use emotes within the suggestion, to clarify the paragraphs.

[proper grail]

I'm intrigued

[pine star]

What did luiafk do?

[crude geode]

I am really talking out of my ass here tbh

as I have no clue what bots can/can't do

[proper grail]

Infinite buffs.

[hot zephyr]

It's got a lot of QoL features, but it's also got gamebreak-tier things.

It's like... you need a screwdriver for the issue. But LuiAFK is the equivalent of a hammer.

[hollow shell]

Also about those examples, Cursed

When the Ectoblood sugg got delivered, a conversation about it started in the dev sugg discussion channel, and devs did agree that something should probably be done (it could even be safely removed without touching Ectoplasm, considering our Core recipes have gotten cheaper since the day Ectoblood was first implemented)
The last time Ectoblood was even mentioned in the dev server was when it got resprited in July, in like 1 message. Before that, mid-late 2019.

(The Astral Ore/Bar sugg got a similar treatment but to a less extreme extent)

[proper grail]

[crude geode]

(I thought it might have gotten that treatment :)
I guess that makes sense

[hot zephyr]

LETSFUCKINGOOOOO

[hollow shell]

So

[hot zephyr]

We did it, boys, we don't need suggestions anymore.

Go home.

[hollow shell]

Yeah there is some value to having more suggs get delivered to dev than less suggs

[pine star]

[hollow shell]

[15 air horns]

[proper grail]

The war's over, we've won

[hot zephyr]

"We've won, but at what cost?"

[hollow shell]

I'm not fully sure what it is that's being celebrated

[proper grail]

Ectoblood being likely killed

[radiant meadow]

Nothing has even happened.

[whole sedge]

they're just excited that ectoblood might finally be snapped so we no longer have to deal with ectoblood

[radiant meadow]

It was talked about and that's pretty much all that has happened as of now.

[hot zephyr]

Just the implication of SOMETHING being done about Ectoblood is great to us.

[pine star]

yes

[proper grail]

^

[crude geode]

You could put a emote in front of each paragraph like 📰 or something and then have the bot identify 1, 2, or 3 number of them and apply a star limit to it depending on that. Or you could alternatively have a mod react with 📰 🗞️ or 🖇️ depending on the number of paragraphs, and apply a star limit depending on that.

[hot zephyr]

Shouldn't be the suggestion length, but the scope.

[proper grail]

Gtg for now, be back later, gonna need a recap

[hot zephyr]

Something broad should require many stars, something specific should be few.

[crude geode]

i think you've got the wrong channel @wintry wharf

byech, that could also work.

[hot zephyr]

If you aren't discussing suggestion related content, or celebrating the Ectoblood death, you'll want to find a new channel.

[crude geode]

It would require a bit more work on the moderator's part, but it would mean that longer suggestions don't get immediately shafted despite having a lot of love poured into them.

[hot zephyr]

Sayonara 👋

[pine star]

[sleek girder]

new sugg time

[crude geode]

You could make 📝 for something broad, and 📰 for something more specific. ~~and a modded emote that's just Thomas' discord icon for whenever he makes a suggestion ~~

[hot zephyr]

:thomas:

[crude geode]

:thomas:

[hot zephyr]

I can make that

[crude geode]

But, that requires knowledge of if that's even possible.

[hollow shell]

Wait what's this emote talk about

[crude geode]

uhhhhhh basically making custom star requirements dependent on the suggestion specificity. I am talking out of my ass tbh.

[hollow shell]

I see

Also yeah Spelunker for Tenebris seems fine.

[hot zephyr]

TLDR; Suggestions should have different requirements based on their scope so small scale ideas aren't forced to reach 200.

The idea being the poster could put an emote in their post signifying length, and the bot could pull from the post.

Or that moderators could assign it manually.

[crude geode]

moderators would prolly need to assign manually.

[hollow shell]

That doesn't really work out

[crude geode]

Damn, thought that might be the case.

[hollow shell]

cuz tiny suggs are sometimes the most successful ones

No-brainer QoL changes

[jovial spire]

i mean

[hollow shell]

It's the bigger reworks that usually get less stars for the controvertiality

[crude geode]

yeah that's what I thought tbfh.

[jovial spire]

not always

[hollow shell]

"not always" is right
Thas why even inversing the idea wouldn't work out well

[jovial spire]

Or wait

fuck i misread this entire convo

[crude geode]

rip

[jovial spire]

I'm an idiot, please ignore me.

[crude geode]

It's okay, we're all buffoons

[hot zephyr]

I've got a change to an entire subclass at 190, and an accessory modifier at 125

Granted, they're both under a few sentences.

[crude geode]

Of course, there's an idea that really shouldn't leave my mind in the slightest tbh.

[hot zephyr]

Hm?

This is a judgement free zone, if not we'd have crucified half of the suggestions that land in posting anyways.

[crude geode]

suggestion regular privileges

[hot zephyr]

Based.

[cobalt pewter]

Oh yeah Rover

[crude geode]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

Still have that server?

[hot zephyr]

Suggestor role

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

I do still have that server

Haven't touched it. Only Thomas has seen it

[sand umbra]

while I'm here it is judgement free solely in the sense you will not be judged any harder than anyone else

[hot zephyr]

We judge based on ideas, not on the person posting them usually.

[pine star]

[sand umbra]

truth

[crude geode]

@ feedzuh

[cobalt pewter]

Heh

[hot zephyr]

Why the fuck does Discord automatically turn every reply into a ping-reply when you edit them

[sand umbra]

who knows

[crude geode]

pisscord byech

[hot zephyr]

[cobalt pewter]

Idk, not that it matters anyways iirc, because edited-in pings won't actually ping

Byea

[hot zephyr]

You know, as much as emote suggestions suck, suggesting wouldn't be the worst because it seems to be literally a Terraria mod dialect.

[crude geode]

I personally am very based and would love suggestion regular privileges, but of course that comes with the requirement of how you judge a suggestion regular.

[hot zephyr]

It'd create an issue where we'd suddenly have people going from quantity and not quality.

[crude geode]

Easiest answer might be to combine a requirement of suggestions made, and total suggestions delivered.

[hot zephyr]

Then again, most suggs are laughably bad

[cobalt pewter]

Or just, let the devs decide manually

[hot zephyr]

Cool Dude but for suggestors

[crude geode]

this is also true

[cobalt pewter]

A more human judgement is more preferable for this kinda thing

[crude geode]

prolly yeah

[hot zephyr]

Would still create simps, though.

[cobalt pewter]

Bootleg Cooldude

[hot zephyr]

Lukewarmdude

[crude geode]

Rover would gather even more of a following than he currently has
Star Dude.

[hot zephyr]

Starman, waiting in the sky.

We've all accepted none of us will ever get CD, so we're going to make our own.

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

such is the life of being controversial and making suggs

[radiant meadow]

Don't think a Suggestor role would fly by the mod team ngl

[hot zephyr]

Oh it'd be terrible

[crude geode]

absolutely awful

[hot zephyr]

Giving people special treatment is a terrible idea

Why do you think CD was a mistake?

[crude geode]

it's blue, blue is the worst color

[radiant meadow]

I don't think CD was a mistake.

[hot zephyr]

That's a debate for another time, back to Suggestor role

Memes aside, it'd be an absolute disaster

People already whine that suggestions are favored towards people with recognizable names/roles

Equality of ideas is a good thing, in this case.

[radiant meadow]

That was much more of a prevalent issue when people posted suggs themselves.

[crude geode]

Do they? I haven't seen them do that since suggestion channel separation idea happened.

[hot zephyr]

Even though it's become less of an issue, I've still seen people talk about it.

[ashen warren]

cold divinity?

oh nvm missed context

[crude geode]

I haven't seen anyone talk about it here, and I'm here semi-constantly

[hot zephyr]

I suggest we rename Cold Divinity so it doesn't share an acronym with Cool Dude

Who's with me?

[ashen warren]

sure

[crude geode]

Cold Civinity.

[ashen warren]

Divinity Cold

[hot zephyr]

That's not what I was going for but OK.

[crude geode]

byech

personally if there's proof that suggestions are favored towards people with recognizable names/roles, it's kinda debunked by suggestions voting being fairly anonymous, as well as Thomas' existence.

[hot zephyr]

Compare the average reaction to a Feedzuh suggestion compared to a rando sugg

Although I guess that's just from notoriety between us as suggestors and not the main population.

[crude geode]

groans that feedzuh post their 21st suggestion this week?

yes

200 people don't actively visit #suggestions-discussion .

I'll say 25 or so at the most.

[hot zephyr]

"Babe, it's 4 PM, time for you to star my fourth suggestion of the day!" "Yes, feedzuh."

[proper grail]

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[crude geode]

tfw Feedzuh calls himself stealth rogue god but is constantly seen in posting

[cobalt pewter]

I haven't suggested in a week, that's rich coming from me

[hot zephyr]

Oh believe me, the Feedzuh memes have long since jumped the shark

[crude geode]

^

[hot zephyr]

At this point, we're laughing at the absurdity of em'.

[crude geode]

Pretty much tbfh

[cobalt pewter]

Idk when I started calling myself stealth rogue GOD tbh

[hot zephyr]

They're a caricature of you, at this point.

Can I be True Melee GOD?

[cobalt pewter]

Ask a mod lole

[hot zephyr]

No

[crude geode]

If you ask a normal person who visits suggestion voting but not suggestion discussion, and I doubt they could recognize feedzuh that much.

[hot zephyr]

My nickname is not mine to control, it gets changed for me when Celest/Lauren gets bored.

[cobalt pewter]

pfft

[pine star]

haha

[crude geode]

I barely pay attention to the names of posters when I star, but that may be just me.

[hot zephyr]

tbf you can recognize a thomas/feedzuh suggestion by their length and composition.

[crude geode]

you absolutely can

[hot zephyr]

You can recognize a Feedzuh sugg by the length, and a Thomas sugg by the length... and lack of stars.

[crude geode]

[hot zephyr]

Too soon?

[crude geode]

prolly

[cobalt pewter]

😔

[pine star]

F

[proper grail]

Stereotype every persistent suggestor, go:

[crude geode]

I'm fairly certain that me and Thomas are the only ones to do the ❔ thing

[hot zephyr]

I do it.

[crude geode]

but I do discount question mark.

[hot zephyr]

Uhhh lets see

[crude geode]

Feedzuh: haha spam
Thomas: what's a star

[summer sentinel]

@hot zephyr

[hot zephyr]

IT PASSED

WHAT THE FUCK

[crude geode]

I Hate Sand: Basic ass titles

[proper grail]

[crude geode]

[hot zephyr]

It didn't even get it's name changed

[summer sentinel]

Goodbye again

[golden narwhal]

[hot zephyr]

Thanks, Laur.

[crude geode]

goodbye

[pine star]

[hollow shell]

... wait

[proper grail]

This is why emote suggestions need banning

[pine star]

Thanks Lauren

[golden narwhal]

every time an emote sugg passes, it's instinct to use it immediately

[hot zephyr]

(I give ya'll full permission to rename it to "what" instead)

[proper grail]

It's literally a cropped picture of Ian's cat XD

[hollow shell]

Do emote suggs not need to go through mod-voting or even mod-corner?

I thought they were at least supposed to get mentioned in mod-corner

[hot zephyr]

F.

[crude geode]

🇫

[pine star]

:F:

[proper grail]

Aaaaaaaad it's gone

[hollow shell]

[hot zephyr]

That's better

[proper grail]

There are so many what emojis aghhhhhh

[hot zephyr]

(I literally renamed it to "what" on my own emoji dump after criticism, couldn't edit bot though.)

[summer sentinel]

As far as I know, once it hits 140 and the emote follows the rules, it can be added

[cobalt pewter]

What

[hot zephyr]

Alright, now that my litmus test for emojis has hit live, it's time to increase the star count.

[crude geode]

maybe one day Thomas will actually be able to succeed in suggestions voting , but for now the solution is wait til january for star count to be lowered

[proper grail]

Back to this

[proper grail]

Yes.

[hot zephyr]

I literally wrote up like seven people's stereotypes but I deleted it out of shock

Solstice is literally Thomas suggs, but with stars.

My suggestions are borderline shitposts that somehow manage to pass.

[summer sentinel]

okay hang on I was wrong, Rover you were right

[hollow shell]

Alright

[hot zephyr]

No takebacks 😄

[hollow shell]

We could have the process written down somewhere if we don't have it already

The vote in mod-voting-archive just says that they "bypass mod voting", but doesn't mention mod-corner

[crude geode]

wacky

[summer sentinel]

I've been gone for a bit so my brain died

[hot zephyr]

So what's happening to ?

[pine star]

It's called what now

[proper grail]

Aaand the channel's dead again

[cobalt pewter]

"haha dead chat xDDDDDDD"

Don't.

[radiant meadow]

Channels die all the time, nothing special. Keep in mind that if you want to reboot the channel with activity, you should do so by bringing up something relevant to suggestions.

[proper grail]

I'm searching the wiki now for things to kill :)

[cobalt pewter]

Man, seeing my Drata sugg dying at 142 is pain

Drat shots not going thru blocks is the only thing hindering people from actually using it to its full potential imo

Even if you can consistently get full charge on primary

[hot zephyr]

Link it

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

Well, now it's one higher.

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

Don't fret, if can hit 140, anything can.

[cobalt pewter]

mmk

[proper grail]

Comments, questions, concerns?

[unreal viper]

I would personally rather replace all victide crafts with sunken sea stuff, but locking it is good.

[hollow shell]

Kinda neutral on it

Victide is arguably comparable to Jungle armor/gear
in that it's good and you can get it early but it's a bitch to get
cuz you gotta go to the underground desert and hunt Cnids

[radiant meadow]

buff Cnidrions

[limber ocean]

Isn't it easier to get the stuff by farming DS?

haven't played in a while

[proper grail]

[proper grail]

True, but Cnids can't shoot through blocks, all a player has to do is stand on a small platform of blocks above the Cnid to block the shots

Jungle is a much harder biome to explore

[whole sedge]

(Isn't it victory shards and not victide shards also?)

[proper grail]

Ah yes

Fixed

[crude geode]

I just did a quick thing bc I was curious about this specifically, but I tallied up Thomas' suggs fails (dying in voting) and being delivered to dev, pre-channel split and post split.

Suggestion Success Rate for ThomasThePencil
Fail: 17
Dev: 40
Totals: 40/57, 70% of suggestions
Rework to suggestions
Fail: 44
Dev: 18
Reposted and got to Dev: Levi charge windup, Ectoblood (p sure)

Totals: 18/62, 29% of suggestions.

His percentage of suggestions that got to dev just completely flipped, which I find intriguing.

[hot zephyr]

Could it be the loss of profile pictures on suggestions?

[proper grail]

I got the Ectoblood to dev but yes

[crude geode]

honestly think it might be. His suggestion success rate plummeted after the change.

how do you feel about this @sand umbra

[sand umbra]

bruhhhh

bruhhhhhhh

I'm gettin' so scammed

[unreal viper]

[crude geode]

Your colorful name no longer has power

[hollow shell]

(I can't even remember if he had boosted or donated prior to #suggestions-posting existing)

(I think he had at least one of those)

[sand umbra]

I’ve been a donator for over a year

boost was more recent

[hollow shell]

aight

[cobalt pewter]

I would've donated if I can have CC

[sand umbra]

just
bruh
I’ve been scammed so hard
this sucks

[uncut orbit]

[frail mantle]

[tawny garden]

Might that be just because the star req was easier to reach back then?

[hot zephyr]

Maybe

[zealous ridge]

star req was different back then, i wouldnt be surprised if the fact that he displayed as having a color role affected voting signifigantly

may also be how the suggestions have changed over time

these kind of tally statistics can be inaccurate in many facets, because of all of the factors

but, yeah, that's all i have to say there

[tawny garden]

Well, if you divide the number of people who starred suggs back then by the star req, you'll get a bigger number than if you do that for today's stats

And yeah people did tend to star suggs by colored people a lot more

[zealous ridge]

uhh

phrasing

but I mean, I get your point yeah

The roles were more of a determiner than the content of the sugg

[frozen storm]

[zealous ridge]

Minor thing, but give an example of what you’re talking about from scal

I think you’re talking about like, brimstone monster for example right?

[frozen storm]

What?

No

Brimstone Flames

[zealous ridge]

what sound effects are you talking about

Does she have sounds for that now

hmm

[frozen storm]

Cataclysm's Fireball thing

[zealous ridge]

Alright, yeah

[frozen storm]

Or Catastrophe

[zealous ridge]

Yeah, would be nice to mention that briefly

because I didn’t know what you were reffering to myself

[ashen warren]

Anyone else feel like the frost wings' calamity side buffs are underpowered?

[robust lava]

#changelogs message
So many other wings are getting nerfed next update that frozen wings will probably be more in line with the others

[ashen warren]

That's nice, I still feel like bumping it up to 5% percent damage for the frost wings is a good idea because 2% extra power is a ripoff for farming icegolems

[marble hazel]

I disagree with the biome blade sugg, true melee already gets enough pampering and turning it into another true melee weapon would suckkkk

[cobalt pewter]

Shut up tiki, bad....,.,.,.,

[marble hazel]

wtf...

are ppl not yet satisfied with scal bending over when u r playing true melee, or how warding is now actually cuckoo strong which makes true melee easier

[tawny garden]

Constructive criticism here please.

[sharp prism]

face tank true melee is ass

violent will double your dps

[marble hazel]

True melee should always stay a fun little subclass challenge and god forbid it become an entire thing on its own

well true melee is supposed to be a challenge innit

[tawny garden]

I've heard people argue that True Melee should subsume the whole class

[cobalt pewter]

yes

[sharp prism]

it should

[marble hazel]

WHAT

[sharp prism]

not based

[cobalt pewter]

Melee should be actual melee range combat, not subclass dump for whatever that don't use mana or ammo

[tawny garden]

Instead of having funny """melee""" weapons

Like it was in that one update

When every melee weapon got a true melee strike

[marble hazel]

Yeah but melee was never designed around that

[cobalt pewter]

Again, I'd blame Red

how many times this week

[marble hazel]

Blaming red for designing a class the way you wouldnt want it lololololo

[frail mantle]

melee should've been all true melee but the bosses in this game aren't designed for that (see: the twins, meme lorde, any boss in the game that has contact damage, really)

[cobalt pewter]

Yes, which is pain

But I can't possibly just go to Re-Logic's office and ask nicely to rework melee

Nananana

[tawny garden]

Well, that means melee can't be true melee

Cause it's a circular argument

[cobalt pewter]

Then rename the class

Boom

[marble hazel]

r u for real???

[tawny garden]

You'd need to redesign all bosses for your shit

Which will not go well with other classes

[marble hazel]

not balancing bosses true melee was a good idea imo

[tawny garden]

And renaming the class doesn't change its substance

||which is shitty|| biased opinion

[marble hazel]

And isnt melee still melee since u r using bladed weapons

[cobalt pewter]

Either way an argument regarding melee won't ever end

[swift wharf]

marnite bayonet

mfw marnite bayonet is more melee than ark of the cosmos

[cobalt pewter]

I'd say for biome blade in this case, the debuffs should be added into true melee, rather than moved from projectiles

[brisk loom]

doesn’t the bb take pearlstone?

[cobalt pewter]

BB is back to phm again

[swift wharf]

oh yea when i saw that i also thought about it

[cobalt pewter]

!wiki Biome Blade

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Biome_Blade

[brisk loom]

really?

[tawny garden]

inb4 you start talking about AoTC

[cobalt pewter]

Hnnnnng

AotC is

Special, to say the least

[brisk loom]

it still says hardmode broadsword lol

[cobalt pewter]

But I won't ever talk about this in this channel anymore unless I want to drive this channel to hell

[brisk loom]

but is prehm now

[marble hazel]

This i can agree ye

[cobalt pewter]

I already made a similar sugg with what I exactly said there

But it didn't take off so ye

[brisk loom]

maybe just make it so it doesn’t do certain effects in prehm

or make them unlockable after WoF

[swift wharf]

tbb is already a thing tho

[brisk loom]

true

nerf bb then to make it more fitting for prehm

i wouldn’t say give true melee hits op debuffs though

[cobalt pewter]

Uh kinda detailed iirc tbh imo afaik....,.,,.,.

[unique kite]

very number based
i'm bad at explaining things in few words

[sleek girder]

agreed.

[brisk loom]

@cobalt pewter what about normality relocator

[cobalt pewter]

Normality Relocator removes the drawback of needing to hold the weapon

So the sugg would be irrelevant on it

[brisk loom]

seems like an incentive to get it more then if playing summoner

[unique kite]

that applies to every single class, not just summoner

[cobalt pewter]

Well yeah, all classes can use NR's hotkey on a whim too

So there's no discrepancy of drawbacks between classes

[unique kite]

the idea is that rod holding gives summoner an advantage over other classes in not needing to switch to it to do damage

summoner can just grip rod and do full damage
the only downside is not having a damage bonus

[cobalt pewter]

Also the sharpened sugg is still specific

Just focus on the concept of making Sharpened scale to enemy defense with a softcap

[unique kite]

i can just rewrite the thing then

4:30 am

[cobalt pewter]

[unique kite]

just removed all numbers and kept it to a simple "% pierce with softcap"

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah that works

Some line breaks can be added for readability, but otherwise sugg is fine

[unique kite]

i used single enters to make it less obstructive

[cobalt pewter]

Also maybe refrain from mentioning 1.4

Just acknowledge that current Sharpened is dogshit

[unique kite]

1.4 change directly relates to this tho

[cobalt pewter]

[unique kite]

even in vanilla they acknowledge that it's trash

[cobalt pewter]

I'll see what a mod thinks about it, but otherwise yea it fine sugg

[unique kite]

it's just that their solution is equally bad for this

[earnest cape]

Feedza tbf if you're holding rod instead of a summoner weapon you're already missing out on 10% damage

[unique kite]

that's just not getting a bonus, not having a downside

you can just hold that while rod is on cooldown
it's an extremely minor thing

[earnest cape]

Not holding a summoner weaopon is a downside technically

[unique kite]

meanwhile with other weapons you're missing 100% of your damage

rather than not doing 10% more

[cobalt pewter]

Bet this won't take off because "noo nerfs!1!1!1!1!"

Byeah, better off suggesting for now

[tawny garden]

:echwot:

Holding RoD for a half of a second isn't a drawback

It hardly matters

And minion damage already has a strong disadvantage of being minion damage

[cobalt pewter]

You can hold RoD for your dear eternity and just click onto a position as soon as you need to move

[tawny garden]

m that's fair

[cobalt pewter]

This would somewhat discourage holding onto RoD as summoner to get quick tp

[tawny garden]

although I'd call that "strategy"

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

Just keybind your rod hotbar 4head

[ashen warren]

RoD kind of already does in the sense that if you don't hold a minion weapon you don't get the minion damage boost

[golden narwhal]

that's just not getting a bonus, not having a downside

[earnest cape]

technically its a downside

[golden narwhal]

i mean, not wrong

[sturdy geyser]

not getting a bonus is a downside

[earnest cape]

[sturdy geyser]

just a different kind of downside

[golden narwhal]

Byea, it's still really not as consequencial as for other classes

[earnest cape]

byeah i think holding rod should decrease your summon damage

then here comes keybinding your hotbar

[rapid pivot]

Any thoughts on my sugg?

[cobalt pewter]

I'm quite sure the reason they don't drop anything in dmode is simply because the splitting method is bugged

People can rack up banners just from killing like 3 of them

[rapid pivot]

Ah. Hm. Should I take it down, then? bugs do belong in bug reports after all

[cobalt pewter]

Well the mobs not dropping anything is a circumvention to the issue

[rapid pivot]

what if each segment had, like, a 5-10% chance of dropping.. let's say 2-3 cursed flames?

[cobalt pewter]

My take is to just sugg to make Cursed Flames drop from other mobs

In UG corruption

[rapid pivot]

Eh, true, but that doesn't solve the other problem; that there's no incentive to fight a tanky enemy.

Nobody likes wasting mana/bullets on something that doesn't even give coins.

[cobalt pewter]

I mean yeh, that's dmode for ya

Just glad you didn't get to experience dmode devourer in hive mind fight

Shit was actual hell

[rapid pivot]

Well, yeah; I get that dmode is supposed to be harder, more of a challenge.

But I don't think that making those challenges less rewarding really jives with that idea, y'know?

[earnest cape]

Yeah its exactly that

[cobalt pewter]

I mean, death is hard for the sake of it tbf

[earnest cape]

Indeed

[cobalt pewter]

You don't actually get much more loot in death iirc

[earnest cape]

Also cant you get cursed flame from hive mind the same way you get ichir from perfs in hardmode?

Or am I wrong

[cobalt pewter]

Just hellish, ass-blasting difficulty

Oh yeah

[rapid pivot]

Trust me, I know; I've beaten Death multiple times.

[cobalt pewter]

Hive Mind drops Cursed Flames in HM

You can use the boss to farm that

[rapid pivot]

But there's a difference between getting more loot in DM, and getting less.

Huh, good to know.

[earnest cape]

Yeh

h

[rapid pivot]

Either way, if it's a bug that'll be fixed later, I'll withdraw my sugg.

[earnest cape]

[modest ginkgo]

Guys what acessories should i use to survive SC fight as melee class

[pine star]

Ask in #calamity-mod-talk

This is not the right channel

[modest ginkgo]

Oh sorry:<

[tawny garden]

(or #help-advice-read-pins)

[eternal escarp]

(better ^ there)

[rapid pivot]

@cobalt pewter Also, on your RoD suggestion; tbh i'm not sure if it's a necessary change or not

summoners are generally going to be firing off Golden Gun/Lunic

which means that like most other classes, they'll be holding the RoD for as little time as possible

[cobalt pewter]

Depends, Lunic Eye kinda fell appart around pML

Since many stuff are immune to Marked

Golden Gun is still usable but like

It's meme

Yanmei's Knife is usually the best classless weap you can get for summoner, and it's not designed to be spammed all the time

Though I generally still believe summoners can still get the safer take on rod by just

Holding onto them

Since their majority of damage isn't coming from active weapons most of the time

[rapid pivot]

tbh most of my time spent as a summoner was shouting at my minions "HE'S RIGHT THERE YOU IDIOTS".

[cobalt pewter]

That's not actively using weapons still

[rapid pivot]

ye i get your point

either way, i'd disagree with yanmei being the 'best' for summoner

it's like the Arkhalis, yeah?

given that you do not wanna get hit as a summoner, i'd argue golden gun is still a safer bet

and therefore they'll be using that more often than holding Rod

[tawny garden]

HE'S RIGHT THERE YOU IDIOTS
my uncle spends his daily life yelling that at his workers
at an asphalt factory

[cobalt pewter]

You're most likely using Yanmei's while passing by

e.g. when PBG dash, just dodge while throwing a hit with Yanmei's

Boom, easy damage

You definitely don't need to enforce yourself to get close all the time

You'll get those moments, and you can capitalize off it

[pine star]

[crystal iron]

Uhm, isn't re adding features/content a don't

[weak field]

It still makes sense

[rapid pivot]

Eeeeehhhh... technically, yes, but.. hm.

Could a mod chime in on this?

I'm pretty sure my sugg is alright, but that is a decent point.

Although, I'm not sure that it's something that was actually intended to be removed in the first place.

[crystal iron]

Ah

[cobalt pewter]

hey someone had the same idea as me

Also

Might not wanna reference future content

[zenith hazel]

silva won't even be a rogue armor next update

[cobalt pewter]

lole

@ashen warren read above

[rapid pivot]

Oh, hey, while you're here, Brav; mind commenting on my sugg?

Not sure if it's a Don't or not, since it's technically re-adding something.

(or if it's a bug.)

[ashen warren]

Uhh where should I see

Can you link the message please

[rapid pivot]

what Brav said

[cobalt pewter]

What brav just said 3 minutes ago

lole

And what I said right above it ig

[ashen warren]

So this is like gonna happen anyway and my suggestion was redundant

I turned off the ping

[zenith hazel]

unless we can fix the bug then I think you should just not suggest it or repurpose the sugg for smth else

[rapid pivot]

Ah. So it's a bug?

[cobalt pewter]

I think I said that earlier

[rapid pivot]

Yeah, just confirming.

[cobalt pewter]

The splitting thing fucks up loot

And death count for banner

Since each segment would count towards banner

[rapid pivot]

I'll retract it then, thanks.

[cobalt pewter]

[summer sentinel]

Wait...rod doesn't reduce minion damage?

news to me

[cobalt pewter]

What

[tawny garden]

yeah, wut

[ashen warren]

But rod doesn't boost it either

[tawny garden]

Lauren, were you brainwashed

[summer sentinel]

I put too much logic into it: you hold out the summon wep to get its damage, anything else isn't "summoning", does not count

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

smh jungle seeds

[tawny garden]

Rod ain't a weapon, so it doesn't have the penalty

[summer sentinel]

That's such a poor loophole

[tawny garden]

wait a sec hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Summon attacks will deal 10% greater damage while holding a summon weapon.
is this still true

[cobalt pewter]

Should be yes

philo don't you have source

[tawny garden]

ah, I can just check source
silly me

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

can't locate this shit

after spending 15 minutes on it

[unreal viper]

Shade, you might wanna at the increased armor variety added by the new armor.

[ashen warren]

Uh could you elaborate

[dapper violet]

I do like the idea of upgrading the Umbraphile armor, it feels like you just use it for 10 minutes before you kill plant or golem or whatever

[ashen warren]

It also makes a lot of sense thematically

[dapper violet]

But “alternative to silva armor” won’t be accurate much longer. In 1.5, god slayer and silva will be on the same tier post-DoG, with silva being mage and summoner

[zealous ridge]

Wait, uhm

didn’t feedzuh make a suggestion that was exactly this

Hold on

#suggestions-voting message

Yeah, it’s pretty much asking for the same thing

I mean... I guess it didn’t get the requirement

but, I’m just wondering if you made this suggestion because of feedz

...or something

[cobalt pewter]

The theming.

Obviously I'm not the first to come up with the idea

I'm just the first to suggest it

But judging by the dates, doubt that the dude even read my sugg beforehand

[zealous ridge]

lmao

I mean, fair is fair

I think it’s fine but if you’re good with it feedz then we have no issues

I’m sure you aren’t the sole proprietor of this idea, I don’t mean to say that

I just felt like it was a relatively short span of time between this sugg and yours

At least people like the idea, it seems

Enough to suggest it

[cobalt pewter]

2020 warped everyone's feel on time

[zealous ridge]

It also makes me wonder if this account is like, your alt or some shit

I doubt it

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

yeah, big meme

the suggestion is good

Well, actually

I’m a bit conflicted

Because this sugg is mentioning darksun balance

but, this is being changed a lot next update

Your suggestion brought this into consideration, feedz, but shade’s doesn’t and looks at current version

And I’m unsure of what would be better

because on one hand, don’t suggest things based on future content

But also, it would be bad reasoning if it wouldn’t matter for the next version

[tawny garden]

This sugg is kinda breaking the future content don't, but not breaking it at the same time

[zealous ridge]

It’s like it kind of needs to break the future content rule to be relevant

[tawny garden]

Well uhh

[zealous ridge]

because otherwise, it will be innaccurate to how balance is changing

[tawny garden]

The point of the don't is kinda that

[zealous ridge]

which makes this suggestion rest on uneasy ground

Because if it doesn’t mention future content, it’s unlikely to be good reasoning

[unreal viper]

I feel like the placement of dark sun doesn’t effect the sugg too much, besides the mention of balance which can be removed

[zealous ridge]

Hmm, yeah

the balance point thing can be removed

[ashen warren]

@cobalt pewter good suggestion

very convincing and valid

[violet dagger]

[tawny garden]

but but

you're not supposed to grind for these weapons

[toxic basalt]

what are you referring to?

[ashen warren]

^

[violet dagger]

there's better solutions to this

[dapper coral]

i

i don't understand this one

[violet dagger]

then making them sold

this is against the whole point

of legendary weapons

[toxic basalt]

The whole standpoint of legendary weapons is to grind for them

[ashen warren]

maybe add a banner to bosses to make legendary weapons a real 1%?

[dapper coral]

they shouldn't be easily obtained, that is the literal point

[toxic basalt]

this ain't like Imksushi's mod where you can craft stuff from banners

[ashen warren]

?

halibut

[toxic basalt]

The least we could maybe do is increase the drop chance increase that difficulty boosters like Defiled Rune gives off

[tawny garden]

wait a sec why does it have an exclamation @dapper coral

[violet dagger]

the whole idea is flawed basically

your supposed to grind for legendary weapons

[toxic basalt]

other than that, it defeats the purpose of it being "legendary"

[ashen warren]

@dapper coral it is not making it easier to get it is just insuring that the player will not be scammed out of chance, wouldn't it be just fair if i get the 1% drop chance after 100 kills?

[violet dagger]

the point is that they're weapons that you can either go on without or grind for them if you want

[tawny garden]

I guess the sugg can be exclamated cause it will never be implemented

[violet dagger]

also no reasoning

[ashen warren]

yeah they did not follow the format

[violet dagger]

other than "its irritating"

[rapid pivot]

actually; wait, don't the legendaries drop from bags?

[violet dagger]

ye

[toxic basalt]

The legendaries aren't a must have...unless you're a mage looking to get Apotheosis, then I'm sorry

[dapper coral]

@tawny ocean your sugg is basically undermining the entire point of the legendary weapons, i.e. basically making them guaranteed

[rapid pivot]

yeah; if you want to make them less grindy, turn on armageddon.

[dapper coral]

there is absolutely no reason that you need to have any more of an easier time getting the legendaries

[ashen warren]

i did not say that they are a must, you can go without them

even if you kill the bosses 100 times

i feel the player should get that 1% drop after the 100 kill

[toxic basalt]

Actually, why does Apotheosis have to be the only weapon in Calamity that requires a Legendary Weapon?

[tawny garden]

it's uhh

[ashen warren]

because you can go without it too?

[frail mantle]

because terry wanted it to use a legendary

[dapper coral]

Drat

[tawny garden]

not the only one iirc

[dapper coral]

Drataliornus

[tawny garden]

Drat is yeah

[dapper coral]

uses blossom flux

also a special weapon for sygilin/akeeli

[toxic basalt]

And Apotheosis isn't even the best compared to the other Endgame mage weapons

[rapid pivot]

tbh, by the time you can craft Apotheosis, you really shouldn't have any problems grinding for it

[tawny garden]

and Kelvin Catalyst

[violet dagger]

yes

you should be able to destory doggo

with post scal weapons

[rapid pivot]

like, you will maul that poor worm

[toxic basalt]

well there goes my memory

[ashen warren]

that is the point, removing legendary items from bags and making them a guarantee after the 100% kill will be good

[toxic basalt]

what?

[rapid pivot]

... wat

[frail mantle]

eh

[ashen warren]

maybe we don't have to remove them from the bags,

[rapid pivot]

them being in the bags was a good thing

[ashen warren]

how

[frail mantle]

i would've preferred that one suggestion about making them exclusively challenge items

[rapid pivot]

Armageddon.

[dapper coral]

they don't need to be guaranteed at all in normal gameplay

[toxic basalt]

I am genuinely confused by how this is worded

[tawny garden]

easier to obtain with Armageddon

[ashen warren]

challenge item? like the fun thing in gmt?

[dapper coral]

arma treasure bag function is dying soon™️ anyways

[tawny garden]

mhm

[dapper coral]

so that's mostly moot

[rapid pivot]

oh

.. why

[frail mantle]

#suggestions-voting message

[ashen warren]

why not?

[dapper coral]

because it was silly

[ashen warren]

yes

really makes legendary weapons deserved

[rapid pivot]

oh. DS farming? :P

[toxic basalt]

Now that's a good suggestion

[tawny garden]

tbh DS farming can still be done without the Armageddon bag function

[ashen warren]

it is made by feedzuh, ofc it is going to be good

[rapid pivot]

yeah, but imo that was probably the most blatant cheese

[frail mantle]

it was approved by the devs so it might possibly™️©️®️ happen

[tawny ocean]

@dapper coral i just made the suggestion because being locked behind RNg is a pain in the ass

[dapper coral]

the legendary weapons are not necessary by any stretch

you don't need them

[toxic basalt]

Though the suggestion is good, idk how we could add a challenge on DOG of all things

[tawny ocean]

neither are fishron wings they help a lot

[dapper coral]

they are there to break your playthrough

fishron wings are not

[tawny ocean]

ive been farming cryogen for like 25 hours

i have 127 kills

[toxic basalt]

DF's Legendary challenge could just be "do him while enraged"

[tawny garden]

less than 20% of approved suggs are actually implemented lol

[rapid pivot]

um

[tawny garden]

why

[rapid pivot]

are you farming for cold divinity or something

[tawny garden]

just why

[hot zephyr]

If you spent 25 hours doing literally anything else you'd probably be at post-ml right now

[tawny garden]

mhm

[rapid pivot]

like, i get it; cold divinity is nice

but speaking as someone who's beaten death as a summoner; you really don't need it

[frail mantle]

why do you think i added the ™️©️®️ after "possibly"

[tawny ocean]

what should i use against brimstone then @rapid pivot

[summer sentinel]

I'll buy a cosmic discharge from the drunk princess thank you

[tawny garden]

[rapid pivot]

hm

shellfish staff?

could work pretty good tbh

[dapper coral]

you act like legendary weapons are necessary

[tawny garden]

they're not

[dapper coral]

they aren't, like at all

[hot zephyr]

they're silly weapons that nobody should hunt for.

[tawny garden]

unless you're a real hard completeonist

[tawny ocean]

I just really want cold divinity, i had enough pain with all these bosses in mastr mod summoner

I won that and decided revengeance summoner would be a good idea

[dapper coral]

then that's on you

[tawny garden]

mastr

[tawny ocean]

Yeah im typing fast going to the ice biom

[rapid pivot]

i get your pain, but really; shellfish staff. either that or maybe black hawks?

[tawny garden]

also you can lower the difficulty if it's too difficult

[rapid pivot]

they're pretty sweet

[tawny garden]

you aren't under any obligation to play on the highest difficulty

[tawny ocean]

The point is i want a challenge, thats why i tortured myself with master mode

[tawny ocean]

and im only doing revengeance

[tawny garden]

then don't complain about it being difficult

[rapid pivot]

.. if you want a challenge, why're you going after the best weapon possible

[tawny ocean]

idk

[rapid pivot]

it's really not worth it

[tawny ocean]

i probably should have stopped a whil ago but ive gotten too far to just stop now

i feel it

[rapid pivot]

we can move this to #help-advice-read-pins , i can talk you through the brimmy fight

hell, you're probably set for the rest of your run coin-wise if you've been grinding for 25hrs

[tawny garden]

(also the brimmy fight isn't that difficult on rev)

[tawny ocean]

lol i have 55 plat

[tawny garden]

(in fact it's not at all)

[tawny ocean]

i keep getting caught in that really wide projectile attack early on

[rapid pivot]

again; we should move this to help, but show me what your arena looks like there

calamity is about 80% prep

[tawny garden]

wait, you need an arena for brimmy?

[rapid pivot]

if a decently wide-open space with platforms counts

[tawny ocean]

also the main reason im still grinding is I actually like grinding. I somehow enjoyed the ROD grind in vanilla, i got it at 613 kills

[tawny garden]

I didn't even put any platforms and walked on the lava with mah boots

[rapid pivot]

tbh i usually have trouble with brimmy, dunno why

[ashen warren]

hmm today i will suggest removing huge skips from the calamity mod

[frail mantle]

as in, removing non-linearity?

cause i can guarantee you that that would be shot down within three seconds

[zealous ridge]

Well fuck, it would depend for me

[ashen warren]

:feelschungus:

[zealous ridge]

because I would be okay with like, cultist being made harder to skip to

But removing non-linearity is so broad

And a lot fo people would disagree

I’m assuming you’re joking, though

You phrased it like a joke, so if I’m interpreting incorrectly I apologize

[tawny garden]

(removing non-linearity is a don't anyway so...)

[ashen warren]

it is not removing but making it a little more strict

[zealous ridge]

I think there are some cases where it could be reigned in

[tawny garden]

even that is not allowed

[zealous ridge]

But you’re going to have to be far more specific

fuck, really

that’s kind of dumb

like literally no suggestions regarding linearity are allowed at all

[tawny garden]

although yeah
if you are specific enough and it isn't something that's important to non-linearity, I think it might get a hall pass

[zealous ridge]

okay, I mean

[ashen warren]

i hope it gets a pass

[zealous ridge]

I don’t think this topic should be shut down by merit of it being about non linearity

[tawny garden]

thing is

Any suggestions to remove Calamity's non-linearity changes.
Any suggestions
this is strict enough

[zealous ridge]

The broadness that is most usually associated leads to terrible suggestions

[crude geode]

Removing non-linearity is just a straight up don't.

[zealous ridge]

okay, so

[crude geode]

It's just a point that non-linearity is a part of calamity.

[zealous ridge]

the way I would interpret this, is it’s not removing any options, it’s making it harder to excessively abuse

[ashen warren]

ok maybe it is not allowed to suggest i'm not sure, will have to read the don't again

[tawny garden]

thing is, iskander
what exactly do you want to change

[crude geode]

However, you can make arguments that some non-linearity skips are ridiculously easy, like cultist, but that's more on the boss itself.

[tawny garden]

summarise in a few words

[zealous ridge]

it’s on the boss partially

[ashen warren]

but are you at least willing to read what i'm writing

[zealous ridge]

But it’s also on the method of summoning

yeah, post it in here

[ashen warren]

basically

we split the game progression sections into power curves

and from that we can tell which is allowed to be skipped or not

an example

you cant attack plantera until you kill at least one pre plantera boss

[zealous ridge]

Eh

[tawny garden]

hm

[zealous ridge]

alright so

[crude geode]

...that kinda goes against non-linearity as a whole in calamity's designs.

[tawny garden]

WoF

[frail mantle]

wouldn't that basically be removing non-linearity doe

[tawny garden]

[zealous ridge]

Firstly, a suggestion broadly suggesting this kind of change to all tiers

Would be WAYY Too big

[tawny garden]

byeah that will get shot down

[zealous ridge]

that is going to not get anywhere

[crystal iron]

about the sugg njow, theres a mod for it ahyway#

[tawny garden]

which

[crystal iron]

its called cala ity legendary shop or smth like that

[ashen warren]

i think i'm done here thanks for listening

[zealous ridge]

yeah the legendaries

[tawny garden]

huh

[zealous ridge]

O... okay isk

[ashen warren]

yeah there is a mod for buying legendary items

[zealous ridge]

yeah

Legendaries in any case could do for not being rng, but rather challenge rewards

But that has been suggested if I recall

[crude geode]

it has been suggested in fact

[ashen warren]

yes and got accepted

[frail mantle]

approved*

approved does not always mean will happen

[zealous ridge]

Yeah, it got the thumbs up though

Means the devs agree on it

it should change

[crude geode]

it doesn't mean it will happen tho

[frail mantle]

ye that's what approved means

[crude geode]

only the flag means that

[zealous ridge]

yeah I mean, I wasn’t saying that

[frail mantle]

hopefully it does happen, cause i think it would feel better than what legendaries are at the moment

[zealous ridge]

If there’s agreement on that fact, it means that it will have changes at some point

potentially

it doesn’t literally mean we are working on this

But it’s that, they agree it should change

[frail mantle]

eah

[tawny garden]

@ashen warren Red armor moment

(change "rouge" to "rogue")

[zealous ridge]

ah, yes

[tawny garden]

I don't blame you, because I've made that same mistake myself

[zealous ridge]

Who doesn’t

looking at you, rogueport

[zealous ridge]

Hmm

[tawny garden]

and today on another round of "Ping a random tester"...

[zealous ridge]

totality worse than desecrated?

[long widget]

how does my suggestion look'

yes

[zealous ridge]

I can see that actually

desecrated will hit way more frequently on average

and it’s bubbles home

[long widget]

yep

[zealous ridge]

I mean, does desecrated need a nerf

is my next question

[long widget]

nah

it seems weaker than most other classes at this point

[zealous ridge]

like, desecrated is about as strong as it should be

[long widget]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

But totality is literally worse despite being an upgrade

[long widget]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

so, okay

[long widget]

its sad

[zealous ridge]

yeah that looks fine

[long widget]

bc i crafted it hoping for an upgrade

but it sucks

[zealous ridge]

I love totality breakers but if it sucks then, well

[long widget]

like worse than things 2 tiers below

[zealous ridge]

At this point I’m gonna wait for what testers say

Because I can’t comment much more

but the suggestion doesn’t break any rules it seems

[tawny garden]

not anymore

[zealous ridge]

hm?

would it have broken rules before?

[tawny garden]

yeah

"the weapon balancing without providing kill times" bad practice was repealed recently

[zealous ridge]

Ooooh

I mean, alright

that’s not amazing to not give any examples, sure, but i have issue with that line of reasoning in some cases

I think it could mention how it’s weaker, at least

[terse sundial]

totality breakers are better for mobbing if anything

[zealous ridge]

Yeah, for example

[terse sundial]

because most bosses are immune to the debuff

[zealous ridge]

Kill times would help nothing in this case

[terse sundial]

which is the whole gimmick of that weapon

oiled + on fire

[zealous ridge]

yeah

I mean I don’t recall that being strong really unless it’s jacked in cal

But isn’t daybroken affected by oil?

[radiant meadow]

it works good with flask of cursed inferno

I don't think daybroken is affected by oiled

[zealous ridge]

I’d have to check

If it is, that would be really good

Bc it’s already a powerful as fuck debuff

[long widget]

lol dps of desecrated is like 500+ compared to totality

after checking again

[zealous ridge]

okay, is that, like, dummies or enemies/bosses

[radiant meadow]

Totality Breakers also did better on Aureus the last ten times I checked.

[long widget]

bosses

[zealous ridge]

I could see totality being more useful for aureus

[long widget]

still a dps loss tho

since the debuffs dont work

[zealous ridge]

Seems so overall

If single target dps is like, worse than bad

I could see it getting some sort of single target buff

Not enough to make it the best weapon ever, though

maybe stealth strike is better for single target, at least

[crude geode]

Oh yeah as long as it’s on the ground totality breakers can deal some really good damage

Totality is better with stealth iirc @cobalt pewter

if you can confirm

[zealous ridge]

that’s a rare occurence outside of trash mobs, some mini bosses, and aureus

but you’re right

It’s a niche

[long widget]

isnt going stealth a whole dps loss in itself?

as of now**

[zealous ridge]

Part of its strength lies in it being a carpet bombing weapon

[crude geode]

not if you use sky fin

[zealous ridge]

well, depends how you build for it

feedz is well known for making stealth builds that are, like, able to work at all

Without investing heavily into it, stealth is rarely a dps buff

[crude geode]

Stealth surprisingly works out pretty well tbh, at least for a friend who went stealth on a death mode. As long as you get silent.

[zealous ridge]

(This is changing in draedon update)

[crude geode]

(Indeed)

[zealous ridge]

was this mp or sp

[crude geode]

mp

[zealous ridge]

That makes it a bit iffy

Because basically anything can work in mp

[crude geode]

It helps, but isn’t necessary.

[zealous ridge]

It’s really not balanced lol

yeah, I know what you mean