#suggestions-discussion
hot zephyr
hoary condor
unreal viper
Well it’ll be removed then.
hoary condor
Ok
crystal iron
Also isn't the overheating basically charge anyway
dapper violet
Add overheating to Draedon’s Arsenal Weapons as a balancing tool
Currently, all draedon weapons are overtuned for their point in progression, especially the ones with bonus damage to organic/inorganic. Rather than a traditional stat nerf, an overheat bar should be added to these weapons, to rein them in.
That’s what a suggestion looks like.
hollow shell
I'll delete it if you ain't gonna edit it
crystal iron
U lose charge which could be interpreted as overheating
unreal viper
Wait till you have reasoning before making a sugg.
hoary condor
Ok
hoary condor
Yeah make it hard
hot zephyr
New charge mechanics are a neat idea though; charge-to-fire weapons, overheating systems, rechargers, etc sound neat.
hoary condor
Yeah
unreal viper
I would like if charge was a better mechanic.
hot zephyr
Y'know the wind up gun from Gungeon? That'd be neat
crystal iron
What would overheating do tho
hoary condor
Stop u from shooting
hot zephyr
Using a weapon too much in quick succession would render it unusable for a short period of time?
dapper violet
yeah, i wish charge was more interactive than “oh damn it i forgot to put batteries in my spear” and having to abort the boss fight you just started
unreal viper
I feel like the mechanics of draedon weapons are kinda just thrown in to give them something special tbh.
hot zephyr
Sorta like COV weapons from Borderlands 3
hoary condor
Yea
tawny garden
your face would go red and you would look ungentlemanly
hollow shell
If you use the weapon while it has high heat, it gets better damage and/or use time
but if you tip it over the overheating edge, it's unusable for a bit
so you gotta constantly edge it for optimal risky performance
dapper violet
@hot zephyr you mean plasma weapons from halo
hot zephyr
Both
hoary condor
If you use the weapon while it has high heat, it gets better damage and/or use t...
It I'll start melting
That happens
hollow shell
Fuck realism
dapper violet
energy weapons from infinity war
hoary condor
Nah
hot zephyr
Make it like Tommy's Matchbook from Destiny; self damage kekw
hoary condor
We have alot of unrealistic shit
hollow shell
This is video games and Draedon is magic alien blacksmith
dapper violet
I can’t wait for the next guy with a patreon weapon to request another destiny gun
hoary condor
Rly?
frail mantle
i got the hologram with a platinum pickaxe
cold cosmos
?
cold cosmos
I think u need at least demonite
tawny garden
100%
zealous ridge
Can you break the tile below to harvest it?
frail mantle
apparently you need a Molten Pickaxe except i got it with a Platinum pickaxe
tawny garden
apparently you need a Molten Pickaxe except i got it with a Platinum pickaxe
are you confusing normal gameplay with what happened to you during testing?
hoary condor
This is like saying cactus toilet needing solar pick to be broken
frail mantle
no i wasn't testing
hardy dock
huh
tawny garden
huh
hoary condor
huh
tawny garden
no
hoary condor
Anyways
dapper violet
auric toilet requires crystal crusher to mine it
tawny garden
vocal grotto
Code is telling me the thing has no pickaxe requirement.
ashen warren
what
hardy dock
bruh
tawny garden
hardy dock
wtf
frail mantle
hardy dock
hoary condor
zealous ridge
I guess it’s a wiki inconsistency
hot zephyr
eternal escarp
tawny garden
no, you're not
zealous ridge
fucking can we not talk about this
hoary condor
Ok
tawny garden
evidently
hoary condor
Ok
zealous ridge
hot zephyr
Like c'mon man, stick to topic.
vocal grotto
zealous ridge
what does this mean
gusty geode
Regarding the latest post in #suggestions-voting
Would it be suggestion chaining to alternatively suggest that that exploit with the Alicorn be fixed? Maybe by checking to make sure the player has the debuff when the fight starts as well as when it ends?
zealous ridge
are u adding a minimum
vocal grotto
No. I'm showing that there are no pickaxe requirements
zealous ridge
Alright
vocal grotto
There is no code in the file for it
zealous ridge
Thanks for clarifying yea
zealous ridge
I mean, allicorn’s current drop requirements are odd to say the least
Popping the buff at the end of the fight is easy
And it’s not too bad of a downside either
Less defense for more iframes and damage
zealous ridge
dog is an all or nothing fight anyways
so more damage and more iframes theoretically only helps
gusty geode
Yeah
It's not exactly keeping to the spirit of the requirement and could be argued to even be a bug imo
hot zephyr
Alright but like... if you make all bosses immune to organic/inorganic modifiers it makes the bonus damage useless because you'll one shot every base enemy anyways @hardy dock
sleek girder
it should be like night provi and EoL daytime
vocal grotto
I personally think it could be better placed as like, a thing you get from Cirrus after DoG or something
But it's technically one of Fab's things, so his permission would be needed to change anything about it
crystal iron
rip the suggestion that wa just placed..?
I accidentally deleted it
sleek girder
100% of damage dealt must be with the buff active
zealous ridge
it was an alternative solution
but I don’t think it’s good either, Ian
I guess it could be removed because of that
hot zephyr
Drew's Wings? ah yes the funny crafting material
tawny garden
zealous ridge
yknow
zealous ridge
what if you had to be afflicted with alchohol poisoning when the fight ends
For getting allicorn
vocal grotto
The sprite's close to 3-4 years old at this point tbh
hot zephyr
Ah yes, albino solar wings
gusty geode
Still, what's essentially a dev weapon shouldn't be that easy to get
Especially when the reason it's easy is cuz the challenge for getting it is cheesable
eternal escarp
really, which ones? im interested to know tbh
hardy dock
tbh the proposed resprite was good
link?
zealous ridge
and celestial tracer wings are actually WORSE
hot zephyr
Don't have it, not my sprite
zealous ridge
yeah the sprite was good, but it lost by 50-50 vote
Mostly, people just didn’t like how stringy it was
hot zephyr
Dev voting rework sugg when, no more purgatory :p
zealous ridge
but honestly it is way better than the nothing we have right now
gusty geode
Why I'm saying have DoG check at both the start and end of the fight if the buff is active
Maybe at the start and end of every phase if you wanna be really thorough
And only drop it if it's active at all checks
hardy dock
I didnt see the resprite in the Calamity Art server either
zealous ridge
It’s old as fuck
gusty geode
(Also it's technically a change to DoG and not the mount itself so 
)
zealous ridge
if I recall it’s the only proposed resprite in 1 1/2 years
hardy dock
vocal grotto
Resprite talk would probably be better suited for art, tbh.
dapper violet
non fluffy yharon goes brr
hardy dock
this?
zealous ridge
I mean, I’ve said everything I need to say
I don’t think we need to go posting the yharon resprite again
hardy dock
hardy dock
the wing?
gusty geode
Hot take
Old Birb sprite worked for what it was going for because it resembled a fetus in the rough shape of Yharon
hardy dock
vocal grotto
Old Birb doesn't exist anymore
The boss was physically replaced
It is Dragonfolly now.
hardy dock
rip birb
gusty geode
Point still stands
Only called it Birb cuz I'm lazy 
hardy dock
we will never forget you birb
vocal grotto
Most people do, ye
hardy dock
i still accidentally call them birb instead of dragonfolly
tawny garden
The boss was physically replaced
don't lie to me, it's still called "bumblefuck" in the source, I CAN SEE THAT.
hardy dock
gusty geode
Why was the name even changed again
tawny garden
someone suggested
hardy dock
new sprite was too edgy
tawny garden
I remember that sugg
hardy dock
me too
tawny garden
and then a bit later that same person suggested to revert the name
hardy dock
funny r/calamity shitposter shared a screenshot of it being accepted
hot zephyr
Philo has seen the forbidden knowledge, and has gained wisdom but lost his humanity in the process
tawny garden
dapper violet
The name was changed because bumblebirb is goofy as fuck and does not reflect the fact that it’s an attempted clone of yharon
vocal grotto
Eh. He doesn't have the comments.
radiant meadow
quick question
tawny garden
Eh. He doesn't have the comments.
yeah
radiant meadow
exactly what are y'all discussing that pertains to suggestions?
tawny garden
hot zephyr
Gentalk?
vocal grotto
Ye
hoary condor
Thid mod has a subreddit?
hardy dock
ye
hoary condor
Intresting
hardy dock
and the guy who donated for Abandoned Slime Staff is among the most active on the sub
hardy dock
hot zephyr
wtf that was RASPRIBBON'S sug?
frail mantle
yes
radiant meadow
Reminder that suggestions to be discussed should be current and not 5 months old 👀
hot zephyr
Alright ben
Uh.... Aestheticus sug?
Bad because Aestheticus is already a meme weapon?
frail mantle
i'm trying to write a suggestion about making antlion projectiles not spawn a block of sand except i can't think of any other reason than "they're annoying and dumb and stinky and dumb and it's annoying and dumb when they ruin my flat DS arena by fifteen thousand of them making it uneven and i hate it" 
radiant meadow
I think what you're trying to say is that it poses more annoyance to players than actual difficulty.
frail mantle
yea
hot zephyr
Idea:
Antlions can't spawn sand anymore, their projectiles dissipate on contact
But on the flipside; killing them drops sand so you can farm sand
frail mantle
doesn't DS already drop sand
frail mantle
:eah:
hot zephyr
5-15 lol
hot zephyr
Wanting antlions to not spawn sand due to fucking with arenas is a valid suggestion
I'd say go for it.
Just do me a favor
Suggest the same thing for the Frost Legion
crude geode
sugg the same thing for lava slime
hot zephyr
@civic notch The Frost legion YOU spawned that I had to fight and clean up.
civic notch
Small price to pay for snow blocks
frail mantle
i did
frail mantle
i just hate it when i'm trying to make a DS arena and shit like this happens within the span of thirty seconds
hot zephyr
Having one of those bastards accidentally persist into your DS fight 
frail mantle
yes
civic notch
Hearing the sound effect play in death mode is an “uuuuugggghhhhh” moment
frail mantle
i don't mind the sand shotgun attack itself, i just hate that the enemy places sand in general
dapper violet
changelog 298: Killing SCal with only the sandgun will now prevent all desert enemies from spawning sand with their projectiles.
frail mantle
afaik it's the only enemy in the game aside from the meme legion that actually fucks around with blocks
and Lava Slimes
hot zephyr
Clowns used to break tiles 
tawny garden
this is a don't I think
Any suggestions involving making a specific subclass (weapon type) more viable at certain point(s) in the game.
hmm
I'm not sure if it falls under that
frail mantle
reasoning doesn't seem to be just "add exo spear so i can do a spear only playthrough"
frail mantle
yea doesn't exo tier melee have, like, seven weapons
zenith hazel
9 actually
toxic basalt
It's the fact that we've already filled the roles of basically every other weapon role, an Exo weapon with bullets, rockets, gel, arrows. A Tome and a Staff, A sword, shortsword, yoyo, flail. Plus Boomerangs and others
zenith hazel
that doesn't mean an exo spear is needed
if anything, adding another exo wep would exacerbate the unnecessary weapon bloat melee has at that tier specifically
crude geode
Exo spear is completely unnecessary
hot zephyr
tyranny's end
crude geode
Melee already has more than enough weapons at melee tier, it’s getting to bloat capacity.
hot zephyr
What's the point of an exo spear, it'll be a projectile launcher just like every other melee wep kekw
hardy dock
They should prolly move a lot of the less interesting swords to Darksun
Melee is severely bloated
toxic basalt
I could see Ataraxia perhaps being pushed down a bit
foggy plover
(donor items)
hardy dock
I never get ataraxia tbh
civic notch
What's the point of an exo spear, it'll be a projectile launcher just like every...
Chad making it an actual spear with incredibly high dps but about the range of a copper broadsword
hardy dock
Just looking at the Ataraxia’s recipe puts me in a bad mood
toxic basalt
The thing I see about spears that makes them unique to other weapons is their ability to completely ignore immunity frames
hardy dock
I think spears are the least bad offenders in terms of “melee syndrome”
I don’t exactly get Stream Gouge for its projectiles
toxic basalt
Says the clone deals 400% of the weapon's base dmg
hardy dock
Yeah but that honestly just doesn’t compare to hitting with the tip
And Yharon isn’t that hard to get with True Melee
toxic basalt
I can see that
hardy dock
Plus if you opt for Bloodflare you get tons of health from it
Course
Who uses Bloodflare on Yharon
zealous ridge
stream gouge is better but that’s because it’s projectile is jacked and it’s true melee is already really good
overall it works out to being better than nadir, even though that weapon ends up being more interesting imo
hardy dock
I was supremely disappointed by the Nadir lmao
toxic basalt
I feel like what this potential spear could do is project multiple afterimages that can stick to enemies, ignore immune frames (both Spear and afterimages) and summon spears from above and below. The afterimages deal 125% of the spear's base dmg, while the spears that appear from above and below deal 65% of the spear's base dmg. The Spear itself heals 1 hp per dmg dealt
zealous ridge
You know, i was also expecting a bit more from it
I thought it was a wild swing spear ala ghostly glaive
toxic basalt
I'm basically looking at what each of the PML spears can do
radiant meadow
Reminder that you're not allowed to suggest adding specific items.
There's no point in discussing them here.
zealous ridge
well yea
hardy dock
We were discussing moving items
zealous ridge
also exo spear is talked about a fucking lot
hardy dock
To different tiers
zealous ridge
well, nadir is being moved anyways
radiant meadow
Nadir will be post-DoG next update
hardy dock
We don’t need two spears in one tier
zealous ridge
yuh
hardy dock
That was my main point
zealous ridge
I would just move stream gouge, then
radiant meadow
you tell that to the 5 or so swords at that tier
zealous ridge
Make nadir a bit better if it isn’t good there
swords are fucking everywhere
Moving it would still mean 4+ swords in every tier
radiant meadow
stream gouge is part of the cosmilite set, it ain't movin'
zealous ridge
It would not change fucking anything
not if it stays cosmilite
but it doesn’t have to be cosmilite
arguably, flayer is also a bit silly
so if anything melee would be moved from it, it may be that
radiant meadow
We're not going to resprite stream gouge to a non cosmilite weapon to cater to some people who want some post yharon spear
zealous ridge
ah, well I didn’t even think it had to be post yharon
toxic basalt
Nadir was probably the best dmg dealer to Yharon, the other weapons didn't really hold up to scratch a lot
zealous ridge
but yes, that is what was kind of being talked about
crude geode
Melee doesn’t need every type of weapon represented in auric.
It already has way too much fuckin representation as it is.
zealous ridge
It really doesn’t need more
spears are definitely a weaker offender
Compared to fucking swords
toxic basalt
Ok, I get it, I made a dumb move
hardy dock
Ataraxia in particular
sharp prism
remove melee
hardy dock
~~remove melee~~
sharp prism
:boohoo:
pine star
Ataraxia in particular
AotC also needs to be reworked or removed
tawny garden
return to crap
toxic basalt
remove damagetypes
Aight bois, we're going back to the 1.0 era
toxic basalt
actually, not immediately
hardy dock
Pre-1.0
toxic basalt
1.0.6 introduced dmg types
hardy dock
Nearly pre-release
zealous ridge
Yea yea funny memes
crude geode
god, I create so much offtopic around me
Pretty much.
zealous ridge
🙉
hardy dock
anyone else forget Exo Gladius existed?
zealous ridge
the melee bloat issue has been talked about to death perhaps 200 times over in this channel
pine star
Exo Gladius is good
zealous ridge
no I don’t forget exo gladius
hardy dock
Its good, yeah
pine star
It's a shortsword
hardy dock
but forgettable
zealous ridge
Because I hate it
pine star
How can one forget an exo SHORTSWORD
hardy dock
Because its overshadowed by its useless big brother
zealous ridge
there is much off topic ing here
pine star
Overshadowed?
hardy dock
aight off to general-talk we go!
golden narwhal
Have there ever been suggs to remove weapons, since I haven't seen one afaik might make one out of curiosity of the response
pine star
I don't think there has been one
dapper coral
probably not
toxic basalt
you'll be really damn brave doing so tho
dapper coral
because most people know fab's general philosophy on removing weapons
golden narwhal
Yea, what I thought
zealous ridge
I believe some have tried
toxic basalt
I mean, you can always try?
zealous ridge
But it’s not at all common
tawny garden
apart from when a lot of Carfting Materials were removed
toxic basalt
I can only see the removal of weapons that no one ever uses in many playthroughs
zealous ridge
yes, fab prefers rework to removal unless it is an extreme case
tawny garden
Thomas sugged that
hardy dock
There was a suggestion a while ago for removing stormlions
golden narwhal
yes, fab prefers rework to removal unless it is an extreme case
Yea, what I'd imagine if it ever reached dev (not smth I entirely disagree with, but in calamity, ehhh)
toxic basalt
There was a suggestion a while ago for removing stormlions
The problem is that Stormlions have significance
hardy dock
I agree
toxic basalt
that's probably why it was denied
hardy dock
I was just using it as an example
dapper coral
crafting material removal suggs are pretty common
beyond that removals don't really come up
crude geode
storm lions are there mainly for aesthetics, and fit the environment
hardy dock
I like stormlions
novel belfry
if anything, stormlions could be thrown into hardmode instead
toxic basalt
Again, if we're suggesting a removal, look to things that no one uses
hardy dock
No
hardy dock
Again, if we're suggesting a removal, look to things that no one uses
No, look to things that hinder your experience
golden narwhal
I'm mostly looking at weapon lines that are already surrounded by better weapons
crude geode
^
golden narwhal
cosmilite + season energy weps
toxic basalt
No, look to things that hinder your experience
idk, just things that are either heavily overshadowed or literal crap at its point in progression
toxic basalt
then something else would get overshadowed by that, or be seen as literal crap...I'm starting to see a pattern now
golden narwhal
yes
hardy dock
And how does that change if you remove it?
toxic basalt
I'm gonna call this Weaponsyndrome/powercreep/idk
Once you add one, you can't get rid of it
hardy dock
hot zephyr
Wouldn't it be power creep?
hardy dock
You can remove them if that part of progression is bloated
But weapons take effort and you can’t just remove them because they’re bad
crude geode
Melee has like 6 weapons at any tier in progression and I’m getting so sick of it tbh
zealous ridge
Power creep is a major issue in cal, yes
Remedies are being worked on
but it’s a long term issue
golden narwhal
Effort isn't necessarily a good excuse to keep bad tbh
You can't just have smth unnecessary and say "I put effort into it, so it shouldn't be removed"
zealous ridge
it’s hard to wave a magic wand and say power creep is gone
Especially since early balancing decisions were almost entirely based on what sounded cool
hardy dock
I agree with Fabsol’s mentality of “rework before remove”
zealous ridge
I think it overall is admirable
golden narwhal
I do to an extent as well
crude geode
There’s a limit to it tho
zealous ridge
But it doesn’t fix the major issue
hardy dock
Yes
zealous ridge
the major issue is that there is too much stuff at the expense of other options
hardy dock
I advocate for the removal of a bunch of weapons
crude geode
There’s way too many melee weapons to make each weapon feel unique, and like they have their own purpose and style.
hardy dock
Yeah
crude geode
It would take too much effort for what it’s worth, when other classes also need attention.
hardy dock
I agree
pine star
yeah
hardy dock
Leave melee alone for a while to focus on other classes
Maybe remove some weapons when necessary
toxic basalt
To remedy power creep, like other major issues, is to take certain steps
move from one point of progression to the other
crude geode
You can only do so much of that when the power creep exists in every point of progression
toxic basalt
Imagine having to assess every single weapon that has been added
and sadly the harsh reality is, that might just what will have to be done
crude geode
That's already what has to happen whenever a new update is released, pretty much. It's why testers exist.
toxic basalt
Pretty much
hot zephyr
Post-ml power creep is being diminished in 1.5
toxic basalt
and the way they're doing it is by nerfing all Pre-Provi weapons' damage by 25%
toxic basalt
"139 - Nerfed almost all post-ML pre-Providence weapon damage values by 25%."
but i see they compensated by reducing the health values of DF, Provi and the Guardians by 25%
tawny garden
good
toxic basalt
Next update after 1.5 (1.6): Nerfed all Pre-DOG weapon damage values by 50%
tawny garden
1.6 will by no means be "next update"
toxic basalt
Kinda feel like Maulers need more of a purpose
crystal iron
I think and exo spear would be nice, it doesn't have to be a projectile shooting thing again it could have a unique gimmick
Maybe every 10% crit it will spawn an extra spear like the influx weaver, and that extra spear could also have a chance to do the same but with every 50% crit and so on,
So it would be like if u have 20% crit then it would have a chance to spawn 2 other spears like the influx weaver.
Or it could maybe be a defensive melee weapon for example it could give you more defense past 100% crit on crits for example 1 defense every 1% past 100, it would be capped of course
Those are just suggestions but I think there aren't many melee weapons with unique mechanics
crystal iron
If bit it's related to the sugg
If, but it's related to the Sugg *
Ig*
Also auric melee has too many swords so I think replacing one with a spear wouldn't be too bad... I think
zealous ridge
Replacing might not be terrible
But as discussed, it’s still the same amount of melee weapons in a tier that hardly needs them
toxic basalt
And this is where Ataraxia needs to be moved
zealous ridge
I don’t feel a spear needs to exist in auric tier
crystal iron
It doekwt have too but it creates an opportunity for originality
To*
I mean if u think about it spears are kind of versatile
They can be used for defense, offense, suport etc
zealous ridge
Sure they are, but they’re still affected by melee stats
It just makes melee builds better to have more options
why not, say, another auric summon?
pine star
That sounds interesting
zealous ridge
There is only 2 right now
crystal iron
I didn't think of that cuz that's not what the Sugg is about
zealous ridge
this is just an example, I’m not really expounding on it
pine star
Or perhaps a rogue javelin in auric tier?
zealous ridge
my point is that auric tier literally does not have a spot for another melee weapon
it covers all the bases fine
visual wigeon
I feel like celestus should move slower and behave more like the elemental disk because it kinda just feels like a paladin hammer upgrade
zealous ridge
and, if anything, we technically will have a spear in this tier because exo gladius will be given 1.4 short sword changes
pine star
it covers all the bases fine
byeah
And then some
crystal iron
my point is that auric tier literally does not have a spot for another melee wea...
That's true, that's why replacing a sword with a spear would help cuz there's an unnecessary amount of swords around that tier
Ok I'm repeat omg myself
Repeating*
But
zealous ridge
I understand what you’re laying down here
But my reasoning is beyond swords
It’s melee representation in general
And, mostly, that again, it’s just not really gonna be too impactful imo
crystal iron
Ye I see ur point too, I believe that melee has too many weapons, but the Sugg is about melee so that's I'm gonna talk About, I do believe that summon or rogue need more Weapons at that tier
crystal iron
Ye, I think it should maybe focus on how there's too many melee weapons that are basically the same gameplay wise, therefore the spear should replace one that's not used often, like, ataraxia apparently (I enevr used ataraxia so I can't really say for sure)
Or not
Idk
pine star
Ataraxia is like an alternate Exoblade
toxic basalt
Ataraxia is like an alternate Exoblade
I mean the name of the projectiles is poking fun at that
pine star
I guess
toxic basalt
no, seriously, they do
frail mantle
yep this isn't Exoblade
toxic basalt
"Not Exoblade', 'Also Not Exoblade', 'Definitely Not Exoblade', and 'Still Not Exoblade'."
tawny garden
"Yermes Christal" is a funnier projectile name
pine star
Gael's Greatsword projectiles are called "Ark of the Cosmos' Superior Cousin"
but AotC projectiles home better than Gael projectiles
toxic basalt
"Yermes Christal" is a funnier projectile name
what weapon is that from?
ashen warren
Yharim's Crystal
toxic basalt
ok so it's that obvious
weak field
Huh
sharp prism
huh
weak field
I'd like it
sharp prism
so would I
crystal iron
I might just be nitpicking or whatever u call it but idk how exactly the suggested emote reads as "huh"
I might just be blind but I barely see any emotion in that bird
Tbh that bird looks rather intimidating
sharp prism
its because she'll bite you and make you bleed if you cross her path the wrong way
crystal iron
I think I've looked at it for too long, it looks really creepy now
It looks like someone wearing a plague doctor mask and the "eyes" at the sides are like, idk, breathing holes then there's a mouth below the nose/beak
crystal iron
Well ye, but as i said, I've looked at it for too long and its beginning to look creepy to me
sharp prism
its working
mighty knot
@sharp prism you need a reason
sharp prism
not for emote suggs
literally all my suggs are emote suggs and none of them have had reasons
sand umbra
isn't 
a good option
whole sedge
yeah couldn't do that also
hollow shell
A reason would be appreciated nonetheless
Especially considering this is already a very common emotion that is conveyed through currently existing emotes
((which is a running theme with a lot of emote suggestions))
hot zephyr
Ooo I feel called out :p
hollow shell
Yet another 'Bruh/Confusion' type
valid leaf
ashen warren
dude clear your notifs :|
hardy dock
i said the same thing
hardy dock
valid leaf
anyways they deleted that so i thought i would post it here
cause in all honesty the mod is bad
there are good things about it
but holy shit
zenith hazel
then point out the bad parts
valid leaf
it’s a hellscape and not in the theme kind of way
hardy dock
oh shoot a mod
valid leaf
first of all the balancing
literally any upgrade makes you incredibly op and let’s you pretty much take on half the mod has to offer(an exaggeration)
void kelp
...have you read #changelogs ?
zenith hazel
don't tell people to shut up like that
valid leaf
the content
void kelp
also, if you do want to provide suggestions for ways to improve the mod, its best if you provide specific and constructive criticism.
hardy dock
spooktacular does have a point
void kelp
saying 'this is bad and its because me and other people say its bad' doesn't help your case much, if at all-- there's a reason why we're open and free to feedback, but we expect you to also respond with some degree of courtesy, no?
like, if there's bad things, we want to hear it because we want to improve this mod as much as you do
sand umbra
...it took this long for someone to waltz on in here and expect that to work?
void kelp
nah.
void kelp
we've yeeted suggestions like this in the past, but i'm tryna reach out to see if they're speaking from a place of sincerity or a place of malice.
valid leaf
there is some good content in the mod, yes, but it is heavily outweighed by the bad. like for instance, the music, certain mechanics, a couple bosses
void kelp
that's not very specific
sand umbra
then give specifics! propose concepts for making those things better, too
void kelp
like, which bosses? why? which mechanics?
valid leaf
i can’t give you specifics if you don’t let me
hot zephyr
Don't waste your breath, Spider.
void kelp
you started off with saying 'everything' then saying 'some things'
hardy dock
there are two empty vcs take it to one of those instead of spamming the sugg channe;
void kelp
You could have, for instance, clarified in your first sentence what you want, rather than being vague 🙂
sand umbra
get outta here Atomguy we're trying to learn more about this man's motivations for postin' a random sugg to fix the whole mod
void kelp
My apologies for sounding like an english teacher here, but if you are writing a thesis, it has to be specific
because if it isn't, nobody's going to know what you're talking about from the get go!
hardy dock
im suggesting a more efficent way to do it
void kelp
not really a verbal person, sorry
hot zephyr
I'm all for criticism of the mod, it's necessary. But some melodramatic snarky shitpost? 
sand umbra
well no you're not because those aren't suggestions channels
valid leaf
for mechanics, i really like rage and adrenaline, both very suitable for the mod and the game as a whole
hot zephyr
Like, if you actually have issues? Compile them into a doc, and fix your tone.
terse sundial
Give them time
valid leaf
they might be a little over powered, but nothing can be perfect
terse sundial
Let them speak their mind
valid leaf
now with bosses
there are some good ones, such as hive mind and desert scourge
but why
why does everything else just feel so spammy?
not everything has to cover the screen in projectiles that deal 20 different debuffs
sand umbra
quick question:
are you sure you're not confusin' this mod with Fargo's Soul Mod
specifically, bosses in Eternity Mode
because last I checked Eternity's the one that throws debuff spam at you and considers it fair even though it doesn't do anything to make the game harder and just makes it stupid
valid leaf
ok i’ll admit fargo’s is worse than calamity
and i don’t meant everything it’s just a little hard to type on mobile
hot zephyr
You got any mods Calamity should use as example? IE; MoR, Thorium, SoA?
terse sundial
why does more projectiles make the mod worse as a whole
valid leaf
i never said that
terse sundial
it's just something you're not a fan of then?
I was assuming that's what you were going with this convo
cobalt pewter
for mechanics, i really like rage and adrenaline, both very suitable for the mod...
Me when
Me when Rage sucks thousands of mega dong
valid leaf
oh my god i can’t ever finish a sentence
hardy dock
uh yeah apparently we are doing that document thing
valid leaf
it’s alright man
i was also in the wrong for not coming prepared with reasoning
so my bad
hollow shell
(well this sure was a terrible conversation)
hardy dock
sure was
hollow shell
Pro-tip, never go into any suggestion area for anything and say "Fix it, it sucks"
You can't expect anything good to come out of that
sand umbra
instead, go into any suggestion area for anything and say "Fix it, it sucks"
and then give reasons why it sucks specifically and how exactly your proposal to fix it is better than any other proposal to fix it that takes a different approach
"Thomas isn't that just a glorified 'Fix it, it sucks' though"
yes
that's the whole point of the suggestions channel it's to yell at the devs in a civilized manner about fixin' stuff that sucks accordin' to your design preferences
hot zephyr
They've been offline for a good two hours now, I think it's safe to say we can move on now.
sand umbra
alright cool
I feel like I looked here to suggest something and then
and then I just forgot what it was gonna be so instead I'm just gonna go do something else until I remember
hot zephyr
Alright, have fun with that.
gray nebula
ignoring the wtf convo that went on before that suggested emote doesn't even look like it would work as an emote
ashen warren
it's just an image
gray nebula
badly cropped etc, would it even be distinct enough when shrunk down to emote size
gray nebula
sure is
ashen warren
yea
tawny garden
and I don't see how it can be related to "huh"
gray nebula
just add pogu instead
tawny garden
already
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
crystal iron
Oh, that wasn't in the doc last time I read it
crystal iron
Ohh
cobalt pewter
Byeah, I think rage rework sugg is quite common
Not sure what they'll do with it
Maybe give punctuations to your sugg do it'd be easier to read?
crystal iron
Oh ye
heady storm
Not sure what they'll do with it
It's just planned; we don't need concepts submitted.
earnest cape
stray quiver
earnest cape
Hes the final boss
toxic basalt
There'll be 2 other superbosses
The 2 being Noxus and Xeroc, correct?
frozen hornet
Yes
toxic basalt
Wait, so Draedon won't be classed as a Superboss?
tawny garden
no
frozen hornet
No,and SCal won't be too
tawny garden
also go to #general-talk or #calamity-mod-talk or somewhere else
cause this isn't related to suggs
hearty yew
@proper grail I Got Bad News For You
proper grail
Oh no
proper grail
Well at least it's in!
earnest cape
Ngl thats looks pretty fucking hot
proper grail
:D
hearty yew
Already programmed and merged
We started it before your suggestion came in so whoops lol
Like, yesterday
proper grail
So that should be flagged?
earnest cape
Or just stabbed prolly
hearty yew
I'm not sure what we do
proper grail
The bar looks fucking sick
tawny garden
cool
earnest cape
Agreed
tawny garden
I guess flag that sugg
proper grail
(it gets a checkered flag if it's been completed)
tawny garden
@hearty yew I guess if you're here already, you could add a 🏁 reaction on that sugg
hearty yew
Uh sure
tawny garden
hearty yew
There
I can confirm it's already finished so
This is just a case of amusing timing
We made it yesterday you suggested it today
proper grail
I suggested it yesterday though lol
It just had to wait a day
All's well that ends well
hot zephyr
You're winner!
proper grail
That's my second implemented suggestion
And also the second time I preempted an existing plan by the devs
Not saying what the other time was :)
gray nebula
what the hell LEAKINg aweosme spritesi n the c hat
hearty yew
what the hell LEAKINg aweosme spritesi n the c hat
I have the authority to do that?
If I'm not supposed to do that please let me know
hearty yew
:+1:
proper grail
I told you I can get things passed!
proper grail
I'm really good at this for some reason
sand umbra
it's so close
it's so unbelievably close
hot zephyr
Enjoy being in dev limbo now 
sand umbra
it's literally two stars away
please don't choke now
I've been scammed like this before
pine star
please make it
waxen bolt
It is done
proper grail
I told you I can get previously stalled suggestions passed; I meant it lol. I don't know if it's my wording, title, formatting, or length, but I have above a 75% pass rate
More like 80-90%
sand umbra
you gotta teach me your secrets
hot zephyr
None of the above
waxen bolt
I am happy to at least have been the last vote to get it to 200
sand umbra
I gotta learn the ways of the Solstice
sand umbra
imagine how many things I could get passed with that kinda success rate
hot zephyr
Don't lend the power, Solstice.
proper grail
Please let Ectoblood be kill
hot zephyr
It's not worth it!
sand umbra
oh it's worth it
proper grail
I couldn't share it even if I wanted to; I have no knowledge of the sources of my power
sand umbra
it is such an unbelievably worthwhile endeavor to teach me your ways
hot zephyr
Hopefully my moonwalk sugg passes
proper grail
Cough cough I'm a paid novelist and editor
proper grail
:)
waxen bolt
.)
sand umbra
and I'm a Calamity dev, what else is new
you can trust me my friend works at Calamity he told me I'm actually a dev
:)
proper grail
Okay who wants something passed
waxen bolt
Actually do any of you have a donor item
proper grail
I do
sand umbra
I have
thE remote
proper grail
Upcoming
hot zephyr
"Right, like that's going to happen. What a load of FLUSH"
sand umbra
the stupid fucking
plague waifu remote
proper grail
Virili is one of my favorite summons ngl
sand umbra
why
why do people like her so much
proper grail
No clue
hot zephyr
This is why Thomas should not get passing power
hardy dock
@waxen bolt pls format your sugg
hot zephyr
He comes to regret his own creations.
sand umbra
I could do so much better
waxen bolt
I’m on the phone I don’t really know how
hot zephyr
What other stupid crafting ingredients should I kill?
All of them
sand umbra
and instead I'm just stuck
I'm just stuck with the funny bee girl who is, mathematically speaking, really bad if you ever use more than one slot
hardy dock
technically item suggestions are a don't anyway
sand umbra
correction: specific item suggestions are a don't
dapper coral
@waxen bolt
a) you need to format your sugg properly, with a shift+enter to space them out instead of a bunch of spaces, and b) i don't understand what you're trying to say. the pillar weapons are useless post-DoG so they should get an upgrade? that's...how game progression works, does it not?
item suggestions like this are fine
sand umbra
suggestions to rework/change/remove existing items are good
hardy dock
ok
proper grail
I'm going to do the Cryonic bar or Frigid bar suggestion
pine star
It's Cryonic
sand umbra
no
dapper coral
although saying
that can be crafted with the two weapons and some DoG materials.
may be a tad specific
sand umbra
don't do it I already did a sugg on Cryonic metal and why it sucks
vocal grotto
I mean, you might be able to ask about making its scaling different. But that is a might.
hardy dock
many pillar weapons already have upgrades anyway
sand umbra
yeah I could probably get away with having its scaling be not stupid at least
waxen bolt
Wait they do?
sand umbra
make it so you can actually get a benefit out of using more than one slot
hardy dock
Mourningstar, Stratus Sphere
proper grail
We really need Cryonic fixed. Badly. Imo a thumb isn't enough
hardy dock
Phangasm
waxen bolt
Oohhh
hardy dock
etc
waxen bolt
I’m going to delete that suggestion
sand umbra
I have already tackled the Cryonic-Frigid problem at length
proper grail
I see that
pine star
oh
proper grail
A thumb isn't good enough
hot zephyr
You've talked about everything... at length
pine star
4 devs seem to like it
sand umbra
bruhhhh
hot zephyr
:p
proper grail
Length doesn't always get things implmented
hot zephyr
Actually the opposite, usually
eternal escarp
tbh i see less of a problem with cryonic and frigid, and more of a problem with enchanted metal being so overpriced to be really sued for its single uses tbh
proper grail
Concision, repetition, and logic does. Combined with good grammar and formatting
sand umbra
isn't Enchanted Metal slated for death already or am I remembering wrong
eternal escarp
uhhh
sand umbra
where the fuck did I hear this again
eternal escarp
you did an oops didnt u
proper grail
tbh i see less of a problem with cryonic and frigid, and more of a problem with ...
I think Iban commented that it was best left out of my item recpie since it might be poofing
sand umbra
aaaaand it's a patron server thing
eternal escarp
so i dont think theres any more item poofing needed imo
eternal escarp
thomas is over party?
sand umbra
we're just retconnin' that reveal out entirely
it did not happen
because it doesn't make any sense for you to know that
hot zephyr
It wasn't just a patreon server thing, devs stated it before in this channel
vocal grotto
Even if it was, I don't think anyone would execute you over that. It's not super giant.
sand umbra
...fair enough
hot zephyr
HOLY SHIT ENCHANTED METAL IS GONE? UNINSTALLING IMMEDIATELY.
pine star
POGGERS
sand umbra
there's just a secret Enchanted Metal fan club that comprises like 90% of the server
pine star
More fat is being trimmed
eternal escarp
MY FAVORITE MATERIAL? I CANNOT WITHSTAND THIS ANYMORE!
sand umbra
and they all just immediately unsubscribe and leave upon hearing of Ench Metal's death
hot zephyr
there's just a secret Enchanted Metal fan club that comprises like 90% of the se...
Prune time
sand umbra
it's gonna be incredible
pine star
yep
sand umbra
alright well either way yeah Enchanted Metal is slated for death
eternal escarp
ngl i see some people actually not liking the fact of it being gone
proper grail
Thank god
sand umbra
good thing, too. makes post-Cryo a little too full in terms of material unlocks
just Frigid + Cryonic/Verstaltite is fine
pine star
byeah
eternal escarp
but i mean, its overpriced af and the items litterly arent too hard to craft
proper grail
(many people don't like that it's being removed)
pine star
but i mean, its overpriced af and the items litterly arent too hard to craft
and the summons are dropped by enemies if you haven't defeated the mech boss
eternal escarp
yeah
sand umbra
byeah
mech summons are not that expensive
it's not a problem at all
proper grail
So just go farming
pine star
Mech summons are souls, iron/lead, and some easy to get mats
sand umbra
in fact I'm pretty sure by raw material price it is pricier by a factor of at least 7 to buy Enchanted Metal to make the summons as opposed to just gathering the materials yourself
proper grail
People like Ench metal because Armageddon DS farming exists
eternal escarp
Mech summons are souls, iron/lead, and some easy to get mats
lens, bones or evil material
proper grail
But that's going poof too, so . . .
pine star
yeah
proper grail
10-20 gold per bag, times six, is 60-120 gold per kill
sand umbra
that's literally a full fucking plat per DS fight
eternal escarp
BoC is even better last time ive checked
proper grail
For an instadeath boss
sand umbra
for bonus points, do the same thing on EoW or BoC
eternal escarp
yeah
sand umbra
evil metal is disgustingly profitable
eternal escarp
crimtane is better then demonite, about 200 is already 1 plat
proper grail
Yeah
hot zephyr
Terraria economy is borked
eternal escarp
haha brain go brrr
hot zephyr
With Tinkerer rework coming, that should be better
proper grail
Definitely
hot zephyr
OH WAIT, no it won't! Accessories are still fucked.
eternal escarp
give me money for tissue's of cthulus brain heart eye
sand umbra
there are also far fewer accessory reforges
and you're more likely to have a use for most of them
eternal escarp
which is better imo
pine star
Accessory reforges are made 50% cheaper at least
sand umbra
weapon reforges are literally just running the fucking slots to make the game playable
hot zephyr
Still, good luck reforging BOB to menacing without shedding a few plat.
hot zephyr
Or god forbid any post ml accessory.
hot zephyr
Quick will be good in 1.5
eternal escarp
arcane gang pog? yeah quick will be great
sand umbra
Quick is gonna be like actually hella good now if you think about it
eternal escarp
lucky is getting unnerfed aswell, isnt it?
hot zephyr
Especially in no-hits
sand umbra
since normally that 4% movement speed doesn't do shit
dude
dude Quick is gonna be meta for nohitting
tawny garden
lucky is getting unnerfed aswell, isnt it?
mhm
pine star
yeah
tawny garden
tawny garden
nah
eternal escarp
yeah so, basically all reforges are gonna be viable in 1.5 ~~except stupid old arcane 
~~
proper grail
Fuck Menacing, all my homies use Quick
eternal escarp
yeah
sand umbra
never has been particularly good
eternal escarp
there was a discuss here once about how to buff arcane
tawny garden
Also Lucky=Menacing unless you already have 100% crit chance
I have a fucking research paper on that somewhere in the depths of this channel, and that is not true
eternal escarp
someone suggested mana regen buff or smthn
sand umbra
kinda hopin' it gets the buff it needs since every other acc prefix has been buffed
pine star
Maybe Arcane increases mana regen?
hot zephyr
Arcane needs scaling like Warding and then a mana cost reduction
pine star
I have a fucking research paper on that somewhere in the depths of this channel,...
please give me research paper please
eternal escarp
Arcane needs scaling like Warding and then a mana cost reduction
^ great idea
proper grail
Suggestion time?
eternal escarp
although the mana capacity wont help at all after ML
since, hardcap
so youd mostly be at the vanilla cap + the other perm upgrades
tawny garden
please give me research paper please
#suggestions-discussion message
tl;dr Menacing is slightly better
eternal escarp
damn
pine star
oh
proper grail
I still like my 105% vanilla Sniper Rifle crit setup
eternal escarp
lmao
proper grail
I was asking lol
sand umbra
105% crit in vanilla 
proper grail
All Lucky, Vortex Armor w/ stealth, and the Sniper rifle
Unreal Sniper Rifle
Can do 4,000+ damage per hit when combined with banners
proper grail
Do it
eternal escarp
we all (i think) believe in you!
proper grail
:HyperEvasion:
sand umbra
I believe in you in the sense that I don't have the patience to do it myself
eternal escarp
lmao
pine star
I believe in you, Ian!
hot zephyr
Bam
proper grail
Good job; concise and accurate!
sleek turret
Ian will make Arcane great again!
hot zephyr
It's such an easy change I honestly wonder why it hasn't happened already.
If Post-ML arcane gave like 60-80 Mana, I'd honestly run one or two arcanes.
eternal escarp
i mean, by then ud have the 250 (with comet shard) already wont you?
sleek turret
comet shard + post-ad thingy + phantoheart.
is 350 of mana through progression.
- you'll be using mage armors ofc for more mana and mana reduction and also accesories.
eternal escarp
yeah, but by then ud have the 200 by a landslide, so giving arcane more mana increase wont help, unless it will bypass the cap
hot zephyr
Mana cost reduction
hot zephyr
For the beefy spells
eternal escarp
that will be the reason id use it ofc
hot zephyr
Also, don't you think it's kinda strange how there's three class specific modifiers in a game with five classes?
sleek turret
lets suggest more 
eternal escarp
melee, mage ans rogue?
hot zephyr
Already have ideas
eternal escarp
ranged uses the crit more then most ig, but i agree yeah
although
what can u give them?
arrow velocity maybe?
hot zephyr
One for Ranger, that gives velocity and chance not to consume ammo.
And one for Summoner that gives minion speed
eternal escarp
speed would be fucking great actually