suggestions-discussion

[hot zephyr]

Now

[frail mantle]

i still feel like i'm one of the main reasons SIS were banned

[hot zephyr]

it looks like it's choking

[cobalt pewter]

Give elite suggesters a chance to post SIS

Fjfkffkfk

[hollow shell]

Sugg limit of 2 per day
SIS limit of 1 per month

Let's go

[hot zephyr]

[cobalt pewter]

[frail mantle]

[tawny garden]

Providab told me off once for not having patience right when I started to sugg stuff

[frail mantle]

did i

[hot zephyr]

@civic notch Go drop your Anahita feet calculations, we need them for our next suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

wtf

[tawny garden]

I think that was even berfore you got cooldude
I might be mistaken

[frail mantle]

could be

[cobalt pewter]

Dood SIS happening again might be chaos doe even limited at one a month

[hot zephyr]

Maybe one day we'll get a Thomas or Feedzuh CD

[sand umbra]

as flattered as I am I sincerely doubt I will ever get CD

[cobalt pewter]

Same case here

[sand umbra]

on account of I have exactly two reasons for being here

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

Thomas easily has the dedication and activity required for CD
but not the... respect

[civic notch]

If you insist.

[hot zephyr]

Nonsense, just stream MGR and it'll fall into your lap

[tawny garden]

I will never get CD because I decompiled the mod

[cobalt pewter]

Now this is my problem. my laptop can't run MGR:R

[sand umbra]

one is to yell at people for havin' terrible ideas that they put into suggs (and to subsequently explain how to make those ideas not terrible) and the other is to flex on people in othermod because I actually program most of my ideas instead of just sittin' there and waitin' for somebody else to make them real

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

"10 steps to get CD INSTANTLY"

[hollow shell]

I got MGR:R recently and haven't played it yet so I'll see how that goes soon

[frail mantle]

1. cover yourself in blue

[cobalt pewter]

pog

[hot zephyr]

"That's my special attack, you're blue now." - Fabsol, to AquaSG.

Ten dollars, Kirn is next

[cobalt pewter]

Oh wait, aqua already cd?

[frail mantle]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

Covered by his nohit roles

[hollow shell]

I would be interested to see if Kirn gets it or not

anyway

this is off topic

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

[hot zephyr]

What's our next topic?

[cobalt pewter]

Suggs?

[hot zephyr]

Finding new names for ?

[tawny garden]

:uselessemote:

[hot zephyr]

[hollow shell]

Somebody suggest to replace Permafrost's "Delicious Meat" item with him just selling Bacon outright, because the item is identical to Bacon and Bacon is already vaguely ice-themed due to Pigrons.

[frail mantle]

disapproval

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[hot zephyr]

No

[cobalt pewter]

Wait can't you just sugg it in dev rover 😳

[hot zephyr]

Everyone wants Permafrost's delicious meat.

[hollow shell]

I could but that might be kinda petty

Maybe.

[cobalt pewter]

[frail mantle]

maybe.

[hot zephyr]

Remove all the useless garbage Cryogen gives

FRIGID BARS

[hollow shell]

Lotta the dev suggs are like, big organizational changes

[civic notch]

^

[hollow shell]

Not all of em though

[civic notch]

I would even maybe combine enchanted metal and frigid

[cobalt pewter]

Either way ping me if there's anything interesting, gonna do a yoyo review doc this time

[hollow shell]

oki

[civic notch]

Or just combine frigid and cryonic

[hot zephyr]

I need three paragraphs on why Aorta sucks ass

[tawny garden]

You don't

[cobalt pewter]

Fuck the specific opinions, I already prefaced everything I need in the first paragraph

[tawny garden]

Short suggs, remember

[sand umbra]

I am goin' to lose my mind

[cobalt pewter]

So all I need is to just

[hot zephyr]

That's the doc

[cobalt pewter]

Propose changes

[sand umbra]

Cryonic metal is already awful theming-wise please don't merge it with Frigid

[tawny garden]

You only get 2 paragraphs

[hot zephyr]

Thomas, these people do not remember our glory days, when Versatite was a thing.

[sand umbra]

dude Verstaltite

now there's a name that gets me invested

[hot zephyr]

I hated the name so much

[sand umbra]

now there's a metal that makes me wonder what Daedalus' work was like

Cryonic is just like

"here"

"have a metal that we're too busy doing literally anything else to actually make not cringe"

[civic notch]

Ian and I talked about this but the difference between cryonic and frigid is such a blur

[hot zephyr]

Frigid bars are shit though tbh

[sand umbra]

"also because we don't want to make actual crafts for Frigid Bars"

okay

[hot zephyr]

They're practically the same material

[sand umbra]

real talk:

[hot zephyr]

Just combine both and make it Versatite

[cobalt pewter]

Philo. My stealth strike doc is about 29 pages in Google Docs.

[sand umbra]

rebrand Frigid Bars to Enchanted Ice and give it actual goddamn usage
cut Enchanted Metal it is WORTHLESS aside from dumb mech summons
make Cryonic metal not specifically post-Cryo and rebrand it back to Verstaltite

[hot zephyr]

he showed the devs how to scratch it

[tawny garden]

I will kill you

[cobalt pewter]

What

[hot zephyr]

Feedzuh me boy

I need you to do me a huge favor

Break up the 29 page doc into many, many 2k word suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

I could sugg the doc, but no one reads docs in suggs

[hot zephyr]

That's why you put it in a chart

[civic notch]

Make enchanted ice spawn in the underground and cavern layers then

[cobalt pewter]

Also I know too well that average suggestion reader doesn't give a single bite-size fuck about stealth strikes

[proper grail]

1 point font picture

[sand umbra]

I swear to god

[hot zephyr]

Suggestion voters be like "haha kitty picture. star" "grrrr shrine look bad, star"

[cobalt pewter]

So I gotta man up and throw docs to devs every now and then

[whole sedge]

kitty pictur gud

[sand umbra]

why are all of you making this so much more complicated than it needs to be

[cobalt pewter]

[civic notch]

Do you really wanna refight cryogen every single time for frigid

Have perma sell it idk

[sand umbra]

make Cryons drop the shit post-Cryo then

or Ice Golems or other significant Tundra enemies

or, better yet, add new enemies

[hot zephyr]

"why are you all making this more complicated" you literally suggested a 300 word suggestion about renaming a bar

[civic notch]

Works for me

[sand umbra]

y'know like actual post-Cryo stuff

[cobalt pewter]

Okay I didn't follow this actual talk, what's about it

[sand umbra]

that's par for the fucking course have you forgotten who you're talking to

[civic notch]

Frigid and cryonic need to be merged, or changed, or something

Rn the blur between the two doesn’t work

[sand umbra]

I am the undefeated king of making things infinitely more long-winded than they need to be

[hot zephyr]

Why say many word when few word do trick

[sand umbra]

because few word doesn't prove point

[cobalt pewter]

Wasn't that the point of Verstaltite sugg?

[sand umbra]

many words in long, quick succession do in fact provide and prove a significant point which people will then resonate with and proceed to apply a star reaction to

[hot zephyr]

You think people read long winded suggestions?

[sand umbra]

no

[hot zephyr]

They've got the attention spans of goldfish

[civic notch]

Yeah, but there is also the problem with enchanted metal

[sand umbra]

I think people read the top like 2 lines

and then they're like "okay this is cringe" and don't star it

[hot zephyr]

Why the fuck are there three bars in Cryogen tier

[sand umbra]

either that or it's like the Verstaltite sugg where people are like "okay this is actually good" and star it instantly

why did that sugg reach 200 in under a week

that is the first successful sugg I have had in like two months and it was barely under character limit, and it's about a tier nobody cares about

[hot zephyr]

Because it's a sore spot in the mod

[sand umbra]

are you kiddin' me

[whole sedge]

i can say that we have the attention span of goldfish as i read that and got distracted

[proper grail]

Whatever is going on, apparently I know how to get suggestions passed

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've done everything from essays to 2 sentences

[sand umbra]

well whatever I did apparently I struck a chord with people that I didn't even know was possible

I genuinely did not believe anyone cared about it half as much as I did
clearly I was misled

[proper grail]

I have 10 passed suggestions out of 15

[civic notch]

It comes up like every mp I do

[hot zephyr]

Because cryogen tier is kinda borked though

Three bars, one tier

[sand umbra]

and all of them suck for their own separate reasons

[hot zephyr]

Exactly

[civic notch]

Cryogen tier is literally a discussion I have every playthrough

[sand umbra]

Ench Metal straight-up is only worth a fuck for boss summons and shouldn't exist

[civic notch]

It’s well known that it’s a problem

[hot zephyr]

Cryogen tier is the "wtf why"-est portion of the "wtf why" section of the game (mech stage)

[sand umbra]

Frigid Bars could stand to be not-bars and could stand to have actual uses since Cryo lacks meaning unlocks right now (discount Cryonic/Verstaltite for the purpose of this prompt)

and...well, I think I already covered Cryonic well enough

[hot zephyr]

I think Cryonic works fine as a Cryo unlock; but Frigid is hageworthy

[sand umbra]

bruh

[civic notch]

Frigid is also a PAIN to get

[sand umbra]

you really want me to believe cobalt with crystal shards in it is better than legit just fucking ice

for the ice boss to unlock as a material after the ice boss dies

[hot zephyr]

I'm not talking about the theme

Cryonic, Versatite, call it what you want

[civic notch]

Gathering it doesn’t take refighting a whole boss at least

[hot zephyr]

I think that's the section of cryogen-adjacent shit that's the least borked

Give it a fresh coat-o paint, add the frigid bar recipes to it, and then call it a day.

[civic notch]

Speaking of which Ian we gotta refight cryo for moonlight

[hot zephyr]

Oh, and nuke Enchanted Metal

[sand umbra]

at least we can agree on that

Ench Metal is cringe

[tawny garden]

Yes kill it

[hot zephyr]

Nuke it

[proper grail]

[sand umbra]

I'm pretty sure I've suggested the death of Ench Metal like 4 separate times

[hot zephyr]

Mech summons aren't hard to craft

I'll suggest it again, as well

[sand umbra]

and all 4 times it failed because people are too fucking attached to easier mech summons

[proper grail]

It's going bye anyways

[hot zephyr]

Hell, if mech summons being easier to obtain is the big issue, just make Steampunker sell mech summons 24/7

[sand umbra]

seriously, just play the video game you spent 20 bucks on, god damnit

[civic notch]

I think that we could keep easier mech summons without uh

Whatever the fuck enchanted metal is

[hot zephyr]

TBF thomas, mech tier takes FOR FUCKING FOREVER

[sand umbra]

yeah and none of that is because of mech summons

[civic notch]

Yeah nohitting mech tier gets frustrating

[hot zephyr]

It's the shittiest part of the game, takes waaay too long, and then Calamity wedges in three bosses, two ores, and an event stage in it.

[civic notch]

Since summons are ungodly to get

[sand umbra]

it's because you spend 12 and a half years fishing to get actual stuff

[proper grail]

I know this because it was originally part of my item recpie and Ozz said it was better left out since it was getting removed

[civic notch]

Ian how long have we been in mech tier again

[hot zephyr]

For probably 2/3rds of the PT

[sand umbra]

[civic notch]

[sand umbra]

e metal's days are numbered

pog

[hot zephyr]

[civic notch]

We still are also only halfway done with mech tier

[hot zephyr]

I mean technically we've passed it

[civic notch]

I wanna kill all bosses first

[hot zephyr]

God I want to suggest some mech tier changes/rebalances

[hollow shell]

I wanted to suggest the Delicious Meat - Bacon thing myself but I've hit a snag

[hot zephyr]

The stage needs it.

Rover, I've got a compromise

[hollow shell]

Delicious Meat is cheaper than Bacon. Bacon sells for 1 Gold and Delicious Meat is purchased for 50 Silver (sells for 10 Silver)

[sand umbra]

...why is this important

literally just farm Bacon from Pigronatas or Pigrons

[cobalt pewter]

Then I suggested it and got approved on the 2nd try

[sand umbra]

I'm pretty sure you can actually get infinite money out of PIgronatas if you have like 10 to start with

[hollow shell]

Bacon would be sold by Permafrost for 5 Gold if left default
Would anyone buy that

[sand umbra]

yes

[civic notch]

No

[hot zephyr]

wait what the fuck

I've never seen the pigronata before

[sand umbra]

people would buy that in a heartbeat are you kidding they buy Enchanted Metal for 3 times that price

[hollow shell]

Do people buy Enchanted Metal?

[hot zephyr]

Yes

[civic notch]

Yes

[sand umbra]

you'd be stunned

[hollow shell]

Wow

[hot zephyr]

Why do you think people were so pissy about the suggestion to remove the shit

[hollow shell]

How much money do these fucking people have to throw around

that 45 Gold per summon item

[sand umbra]

Rover this is Calamity

[proper grail]

Farming DS on Armageddon is a thing.

[sand umbra]

you can just slap Armageddon on and cyberbully like DS or KS or something

[cobalt pewter]

Arma is part of the problem

[hot zephyr]

We literally have DS arma

FOR NOW LMAO

[sand umbra]

you get like a platinum coin or more per fight

[hollow shell]

Ah yes
Three answers with Arma in them

[sand umbra]

also you can farm EoC, EoW, or BoC

[hot zephyr]

Until the devs say "fuck you, grind longer for money you plebs"

[sand umbra]

evil bars are fucking unholy levels of profitable

[proper grail]

DS has like 10-40 gold per treasure bag

[hollow shell]

Spoilers, we're solving Arma farming

[hot zephyr]

It's not spoilers, we know

[sand umbra]

is it not? I didn't know this

did I miss a memo

[hot zephyr]

rip Arma bonus

[sand umbra]

no come on we're not
we're not just gonna gloss over this

come on gimme the deets

[cobalt pewter]

You didn't know tom?

[hollow shell]

I don't know how much has been revealed

[sand umbra]

no I didn't

[hollow shell]

Ian, Feedzuh, how much do you know

[hot zephyr]

Sayonara, bag bonus

[sand umbra]

I don't look in like any channel that'd be relevant

we've been over this

[civic notch]

Wtf, am I missing for something or is this just paying 5 gold for an easily obtainable buff

[hollow shell]

Yes, that's exactly what it is

Granted, it's that buff for 30 whole minutes

[civic notch]

You can just fish for bass and make that fish dish

Or go get some stew from the abyss

[hollow shell]

There's one problem with that:

Fishing.

[sand umbra]

I can tell you right now that Bacon is worth every penny of that price in 1.4

[hot zephyr]

Yo Lime lets go vibe in the distortion world

[sand umbra]

do you people know of the god-awful hellhole that is 1.4 food balance by the by

[hollow shell]

Fishing is super easy and doesn't take long but people fucking hate it for some reason

[proper grail]

I actually like fishing but I'm an outlier

[sand umbra]

it's great

[cobalt pewter]

Don't start.

[hot zephyr]

Because it's slow

[hollow shell]

Also that Ozza screenshot is technically outdated

[hot zephyr]

Until you get multirods

[whole sedge]

i feel a thomas rant about how a fancy worm is better than most things by far

[sand umbra]

too late I'm starting (and then immediately stopping because this is the wrong place for me to ramble for an hour about food being stupid)

anyway

bacon

[civic notch]

You could also make pumpkin pie

[sand umbra]

1.4 bacon

have fun with that info

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

Expensive ass bacon is fine

Whatever it takes to remove material bloat

[hollow shell]

Exquisitely Stuffed, by the way
is this

[sand umbra]

point being, even if it doesn't seem worthwhile right now, it will be worth every fucking penny of that price in 1.4

[hollow shell]

((also Delicious Meat is not a material))

[hot zephyr]

That phat +40% movement speed after the 1.5 changes

It's item bloat, sorry

[hollow shell]

ye

[sand umbra]

Bacon is stupid good in 1.4

[civic notch]

Pumpkin pie is 10 pumpkins and gives the well fed buff for 45 minutes

[cobalt pewter]

I said don't start, Tom. You'll drive #suggestions-discussion to a land of 11 herbs and spices of disaster

[proper grail]

Why does being stuffed make you move faster?

[cobalt pewter]

[sand umbra]

okay fine

[proper grail]

[tawny garden]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm KFC

[hollow shell]

Glad they balanced the fuck outta that in 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

That's a question we've asked anywhere

[hollow shell]

Pumpkin Pie is 8 minutes

[sand umbra]

I have already gone down this road before and it ends
badly

[hot zephyr]

[sand umbra]

to say the least

[civic notch]

Yeah

It was in desperate need of a nerf

Damn autocorrect

[cobalt pewter]

The time me, tom and some others talked about it, it was...absolute chaos.

[proper grail]

Desperate need of a nerd

Yes

[civic notch]

:(((

[proper grail]

We are that nerd that shall suggest the nerf

[sand umbra]

the nerf is already said and done

just wait for 1.4

pie is dead

and so is fish for that matter

[civic notch]

Yeah but I’m saying until 1.4 there is no reason to sell bacon

[proper grail]

1.4 fucked up a lot of the game

[hollow shell]

1.4 also unfucked a lot of the game

[sand umbra]

^

[proper grail]

Dungeon.

[cobalt pewter]

But since Tom started it, lemme introduce you to the rabbit hole of 1.4 food hell

[sand umbra]

the law of equivalent exchange

[civic notch]

Pumpkin pie was pretty fucked

[hot zephyr]

Negativity bias killed 1.4

[sand umbra]

to receive something good, one must first give up something of equal or greater value

[tawny garden]

get on the dark skin you fool

[hot zephyr]

I wonder if 1.4 modded netcode will be any better

Probably not

[tawny garden]

probably not

[civic notch]

Hah

[sand umbra]

1.4 MP doesn't even fuckin' work

so glhf on that

[cobalt pewter]

Tried mp on 1.4, netcode is a fuck

So yeah

[hollow shell]

(What's the issue with that, Feedzuh? Just the surface-level absurdity?)

[cobalt pewter]

Don't get hopes up

[proper grail]

Rover, whatever happens, please don't let the 1.4 dungeon make it in

[sand umbra]

(it gets really bad, Rover)

[civic notch]

Empress with modded netcode

[sand umbra]

(do not let us start on this it will go for an hour)

[hollow shell]

(Grapes are a 1/40 drop from Derplings and Flying Foxes, and you need 2 per juice)

[hot zephyr]

Just get the gravedigger shovel and shut up

[cobalt pewter]

A "grape juice" stuffing you. Sure.

[hollow shell]

c'mon that's just a nitpick

[sand umbra]

there are so many

I

I need to leave I cannot afford to go on this rant

not in here

good bye

🛫

[proper grail]

Party Girl Bathwater. Need I say more?

[hot zephyr]

And so that was the last the Suggestors had heard of Thomas

[cobalt pewter]

Rover this is beyond nitpick, this is some advanced hell if you'd delve deeper

[hot zephyr]

Legend has it, he's still ranting to this day.

[civic notch]

Having to fight polterghast in 1.4 dungeon

[hot zephyr]

[hollow shell]

Okay but you didn't post advanced hell you just posted a nitpick

[hot zephyr]

Having to fight polterghast in 1.4 dungeon @civic notch

[civic notch]

Fair enough

[cobalt pewter]

fair, I don't wanna start making this channel 1.4 food review

[civic notch]

Fuck polter

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah

Let's just

Back to suggs

[proper grail]

Uuuh

I posted one

Nobody noticed lol

[sand umbra]

yeah arsenal furniture woo

[hollow shell]

A fine suggestion

[tawny garden]

if it was bad somebody would notice it

[sand umbra]

building variety pog

[cobalt pewter]

Usually this one is more of an unanimous agreement

[tawny garden]

so you good

[cobalt pewter]

Byea

[civic notch]

Yeah I don’t have anything constructive to say

It’s a full positive

[proper grail]

Its a full repost

[hot zephyr]

Arsenal furniture? Lime, it's 4 PM time to spend an entire day building an expensive base again!

[cobalt pewter]

Remember when

Remember when both of us missed an invalid sugg when it went into voting

[civic notch]

Hahahahahahaha yeah

“Building”

[proper grail]

What

How

[tawny garden]

yeah that was

[civic notch]

More like watching you build while I play with the lights

[tawny garden]

crap

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

[civic notch]

Acid Rain tier 2 doesn’t feel that valuable for certain classes

[golden narwhal]

mfw rover makes a sugg

[sand umbra]

a very pog sugg

[proper grail]

Yes

[hollow shell]

I was fine with the sell price thing after I noticed that Pho is also buyable for 50 Silver

[civic notch]

Who buys pho tho

[hollow shell]

I do early game if he has it

[proper grail]

Raises hand

[civic notch]

Weird

[sand umbra]

people that don't like fishing and get it early on

Pho is hella good early game honestly

[hollow shell]

Actually usually I buy it every time he has it because it's cheap

[civic notch]

What do you guys consider early game though

[hollow shell]

just
'buy, nom, cool i am buffed'

[sand umbra]

it's fairly cheap even by earlygame standards and gives a buff for a nice, long time

[tawny garden]

Rover sugged

[sand umbra]

enough to hold you over until you can consistently fucking fish at least

(ignore the fact that pumpkins exist their days as the meta for food are numbered anyway)

[civic notch]

Since every single sole well fed buff item becomes obsolete after Eye with pumpkin pie

Oh ok

[hollow shell]

I've actually never crafted Pumpkin Pie, funnily enough

[civic notch]

(I understood what you meant the first edit )

[hollow shell]

Probably because I always play with Luiafk so I just need to buy 30 Phos or Pad Thais to have it infinite.

[civic notch]

Oh yeah that’ll do it

[sand umbra]

byeah

[civic notch]

Pumpkin pie is real good

[proper grail]

I'm going to kill Ectoblood if no one says otherwise

[sand umbra]

bruh I already tried

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message

[sand umbra]

people are too attached to their easier farmin'

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message

Wow it got exactly the same amount of votes

[sand umbra]

I tried like three times and none of them worked

[hollow shell]

despite a few months difference and a rewording

[sand umbra]

I even went for a compromise the third time

[proper grail]

Let me try.

[sand umbra]

bruhhhh

[proper grail]

It's a bad item and needs to die

[hollow shell]

(this one's different at least... it's less #suggestions-voting message )

[sand umbra]

at least you agree with me, Solstice, but glhf getting that to pass

I have tried 3 separate times

[proper grail]

Okay, I'll tru

[sand umbra]

I have yet to succeed

[proper grail]

If I get more votes than you I'll call that a victory

[sand umbra]

I'm pretty close to just like yellin' at Dom or someone to talk about it in dev directly and skippin' the sugg process altogether
I don't normally do that but this is an exception I am willin' to make because Ectoblood seriously needs to perish

it does nothin' except make an easy-to-farm material even easier to farm

and in the most borin' way possible too

literally even one Ectoplasm-related enemy that isn't a fucking bootleg Dungeon Spirit would be fine

yes I'm indirectly harping on Phantom Spirits and I will gladly do so further at some point because they're literally just Dungeon Spirits but again
(but that's a topic for another time and another sugg)

anywho it's like half past 2 this is typically the part where my 3 brain cells start yelling at me to fall asleep instead of actually functioning
so I'm gonna bounce now and we'll see how this does I guess

goodnight

🛫

[proper grail]

Goodnight

[hollow shell]

Gnight Thomas

👋

[tawny garden]

gn Thomas

[golden narwhal]

[cobalt pewter]

Night tom

[cobalt pewter]

@heady storm brunge sugg

[earnest cape]

[golden narwhal]

[hollow shell]

@somber orchid References for the sake of references are not allowed for suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

Oh wait there's rover

My b chet

[heady storm]

What Rover said yeah.

[cobalt pewter]

[heady storm]

I don't care about pings unless they are for absolutely no reason or I'm in the chat already.

[earnest cape]

Understandable

[cobalt pewter]

[somber orchid]

It's not for the sake of references, really. It's more thought as a nod to a a landmark franchise, which isn't that uncommon in Calamity. Perhaps add the Masamune as a long range, high speed stabbing sword, functioning much like a very fast spear, but being a sword.

[hollow shell]

a "nod" is a reference

[cobalt pewter]

....

[somber orchid]

That'd fill an interesting gameplay niche as well

[cobalt pewter]

No SIS either

[heady storm]

It's too specific as well, yeah.

[earnest cape]

^

[hollow shell]

Yeah that would be a Specific Item Suggestion

which is also disallowed

[cobalt pewter]

Read pins for the love of fried chicken thighs

[hollow shell]

Go check out the Suggestion Don'ts google doc in pins

[somber orchid]

Gosh, the rules sure have updated since last time I was active

[earnest cape]

Take a trip through the "don'ts" doc

[heady storm]

If you are really dedicated enough, donate $50 to Fab's patreon before the end of this month.

[hollow shell]

Yeah we do have a good amount of rules

They exist for good reason, though

[somber orchid]

Yeah, I see that. Else you would be flooded

[hollow shell]

They wouldn't exist if people didn't suggest them vehemently and unsuccessfully enough to the point where we needed to make a ruling against em

[somber orchid]

That said, spear style weapons as a whole sure don't get much love

[hollow shell]

Compared to swords, yeah I agree

[somber orchid]

Everything turns into projectile swords or big swinging hitboxes

A style focused on mid-range fast damage dealing and spacing, with knockback that only keeps enemies slightly at bay and a focus on armor penetration wouldn't be a bad idea

There could be some good items integrated into that, as well. Maybe a phalanx type thing where multiple players equipped with it using spears in close proximity get bonuses to attack and defence

[hollow shell]

We will get the new jousting lance weapon type in 1.4, which are spear-like
so that could open up opportunities for us to add weapons of that variety

[somber orchid]

Well, I'm gonna sink back into the murky depths now. Maybe the rest of you can shape that into a good suggestion. Xeroc knows spears need more love

[hollow shell]

aight

[earnest cape]

Lances are just spears but more cheesable

Wegud

[somber orchid]

Lances and spears are very different weapons

One being a cavalry weapon, and the other an infantry one

[hollow shell]

(oh I thought you meant from a gameplay standpoint, which would also be true)

[earnest cape]

Theyre practically the same in the game

[somber orchid]

Lances deliver damage through momentum, rather than penetration

[hollow shell]

Jousting Lances are used differently in-game to spears

yeah

[somber orchid]

Ergo, lances would be a mounted option

[earnest cape]

Just the difference is the lance has a mechanic where they get more damage the faster you are

[hollow shell]

yeah

but like, the damage difference is huge

literally 10x damage at top speed versus standing still

[earnest cape]

And they could practically have an infinite difference in damage

Cause speed

[somber orchid]

Of course. A cavalry lance to the chest is far more dangerous than a light jab with a longspear

[earnest cape]

Heh cant wait for the lance suggs once tmod comes to 1.4

[hollow shell]

(well, maybe not if the longspear in question looks like this:)

[somber orchid]

At any rate, in real life spearmen were deployed en-masse. That could be worked in well here. Also the fact that spears were braced against cavalry charges, so a spear stab could do more damage the faster the opponent is moving

It'd be a nice flip of the coin

[hollow shell]

(shoutouts to TheBlackHand. Dunno where he's gone off to)

[earnest cape]

The deep abyss

[somber orchid]

Well, I shall now vanish. Peace out

[hollow shell]

cya

[earnest cape]

Cya

[somber orchid]

Someone please @ me when 64bit tmodloader is a thing again

[tawny garden]

@ Soldin it's a thing

[hollow shell]

(I didn't know it stopped being a thing)

[tawny garden]

wait, did it?

[hollow shell]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[earnest cape]

:confus:

[tepid root]

it didn't byeah

[cobalt pewter]

Scuse me dumping docs as recommended by chetto

Stealth strikes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qkhl62yDdkiQ25VM8nqP6_3EtawZOKruvz2F4GAguZk/edit?usp=drivesdk
Rogue accs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LOfcoqqilckXfW-TE3tarJuH2eKQMlt4ebCSSCXi-Vs/edit?usp=drivesdk
Yo-yos: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H3iHmZWfUCSVLYcbEUgoFpuCn7dBP3JwgDbGN3W9BzA/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tawny garden]

cewl

47 pages worth of google doc material

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

[heady storm]

(Oh I meant for future instances.)

[cobalt pewter]

(ah, shoulda said that chet)

[tawny garden]

lol

[heady storm]

I do prefer getting straight to the point, guess I did it too quickly here.

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

I operate in a timely and efficient manner 100% of the time, yep

Added the daily limit to the Sugg Don'ts, under Suggestion Practices @proper grail @zenith hazel 👍

[tawny garden]

also you should rewrite the weapon balancing sugg bad practice

cause these are yeeted into <@&580087475980992523>s' faces now

[cobalt pewter]

Didn't rover already mention that in the docs

[hollow shell]

Pinkie added a note about it

[tawny garden]

ah

[hollow shell]

But the whole thing's gotta be rewritten probably

cuz it kinda contradicts itself

[tawny garden]

yeah, that's what I'm saying

[hollow shell]

If we have indeed decided that there should no longer be any balance suggs

[tawny garden]

remove the "kill times" crap

[hollow shell]

... in which case, shouldn't there be a channel dedicated to balancing reports?

[cobalt pewter]

Hmm

[tawny garden]

I'd still allow them

just that beta testers lurk here often

or they may be pinged

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe just keep it here so that there's not much channel bloat?

[tawny garden]

so they'll notice

I'd keep it here

[hollow shell]

Alright

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

people could still post them into #suggestions-posting and when the nerf/buff is approved/rejected by a tester, the sugg is removed from posting

Note 1: A

[cobalt pewter]

a

[hollow shell]

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/gawr-gura-gawr-gura-gif-18439720

[tawny garden]

Feedza shitposted in suggs ban

[hollow shell]

(I was thinkin about the one with the deep sea whale thing)

[cobalt pewter]

🔫

[tawny garden]

oh god Rover why do you put double spaces

[hollow shell]

Readability

Same reason why double line-breaks > single line-breaks

[tawny garden]

no, just do 4 linebreaks as this guy #suggestions-posting message

[hollow shell]

Ye

There, does that look good?

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

Unfortunately the testers' names aren't readily available to users in the same way that moderators and devs are

Not sure what to do about that

[tawny garden]

make the role pingable

[hollow shell]

[hot zephyr]

You'd be testing their patience

[tawny garden]

[proper grail]

@ tester

[tawny garden]

smh you do <@&580087475980992523>

[distant gyro]

who called?

[tawny garden]

I did

test me

[earnest raptor]

Test, if clam ore swords are useful.

👍

[cobalt pewter]

Feralthorn Claymore is definitely dogshit according to celest

[pine star]

Yeah

Trinity is ok

[jovial spire]

@tawny garden After a few tests, tbh you need a bit of a nerf, your average DPS is fine but I get way to massive of damage dursts when using you.

[tawny garden]

Hm

Will see what I can do.

Also tf is a "damage durst"

@jovial spire

[sharp prism]

omw

omw to add philo item to hage mod

[wooden wedge]

I thought yoyo bag upgrades were a dont

[sharp prism]

they are

[tawny garden]

Rover exclamated that iirc

[jovial spire]

You already know I can't type

so shush

[sharp prism]

how many errors would celest get when coding

because of misspelling

[jovial spire]

Every

[sharp prism]

[tawny garden]

[zenith hazel]

this is very relevant to suggs

[pine star]

[white swift]

Maybe add new abyss chests?

like reskin them

[zealous ridge]

I think there were actually ideas made for this, right?

it may be happening but I’ve only seen sprites

[tawny garden]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

The sugg about reskinning the shadow chests in abyss was approved

I vividly remember it leading to a trainwreck of Abyss suggs

about 8 or so

[hot zephyr]

new suggestion: Completely overhaul the Abyss

Delete the rest of the mod, just have the Abyss

Expand it into a full game

Separate it from Terraria

Call it "Subnautica"

[zealous ridge]

DIE

Abyss does not need to be more like subnautica

It already “borrows” eidilon wyrms, reaper sharks, stealth and breath

[hot zephyr]

It literally is intended to be a giant Subnautica reference

[cerulean estuary]

just make it so if you enter the abyss it opens subnautica

[hot zephyr]

Good idea

[tawny garden]

it's kinda failing at that then

just have tons of wrecks

and a bit of lava at the bottom

[zealous ridge]

yeah it’s terrible at being a sub reference

[tawny garden]

with weird terrain

[hot zephyr]

It needs funky terrain

[zealous ridge]

I know it fucking is, but it’s not fit to work in terraria by most accounts

the way it is now

[cobalt pewter]

Terraria Calamity but entering Abyss moves you into a 3D subworld

😳

[zealous ridge]

DREAD

Just fucking make abyss not have to reference mechanics from subnautica

[hot zephyr]

sayonara, AEW

[zealous ridge]

to be fair, it is better more recently

I remember the fucking old eidilon sprite

as well as the concept of adult-juvenile creatures

which is something directly referencing subnautica

in this case, at least

(Of course subnautica did not make children, it just has the same idea in its ghost Levis)

[proper grail]

Abyss is getting a large upgrade.

[tawny garden]

but in the Abyss, the Adults are more aggressive, while I found subnautica's juvenile Ghost Leviathans to be more aggressive

[zealous ridge]

well that’s bc the juveniles show up in ghost river, a tight ass zone that you almost have to traverse

The only two adults on map besides void are in the open parts of the blood kelp and grand reef

and in the void they’re aggressive as fuck

so I’d assume that’s the implication

[tawny garden]

(I was swimming around the adults (and there are 3* of them inside the map) in mah seamoth and they didn't seem to care as much)

[zealous ridge]

fuck are there

[tawny garden]

yeah

2 in the Grand Reef

[zealous ridge]

Yeah there might actually be a second one in reef now that I think bout it

mhm

[tawny garden]

and 1 in one of the Blood Kelp Zones

[zealous ridge]

Either way they’re rarer, in harder to reach spots, and they’re also just big as fuck in open areas

it may just be a case of random chance

[tawny garden]

might be

[zealous ridge]

as in, they just decide they dont care enough

[tawny garden]

in any case

[zealous ridge]

either way

yes abyss should be IMPROVED

[tawny garden]

Abyss is a bad approximation of Subnautica

[zealous ridge]

it is, and I think it should stray away from that inspiration if it is to get a bit better, imo

[tawny garden]

yeah, cause the world is too narrow to contain a proper subnautica reference

[zealous ridge]

sunken sea works much better as a sub reference, actually

[tawny garden]

fuck I couldn't do a Fermat joke there properly

[zealous ridge]

Abyss does not need to be around to fill the same idea

[tawny garden]

@rancid sable reasons

also SIS

[zealous ridge]

no

[earnest cape]

@zenith hazel

[rancid sable]

[tawny garden]

also read the doc in the pins

[zealous ridge]

BINGUS PET DIE

[rancid sable]

just a bingus pet

[earnest cape]

The sugg has been killed

And no

[zenith hazel]

no meme suggs, thanks

[tawny garden]

cool

[zealous ridge]

if u want bingus pet you must donate

except you CANT ANYMORE

lol awesome

[tawny garden]

until December 31st iirc

[earnest cape]

Or just make your own pet

[zealous ridge]

make the bingus mod

[violet dagger]

Bingus pet more like pet

[zealous ridge]

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it already existed

[rancid sable]

[wispy jolt]

heiy anybody know how calamity gonna handle summoner with whips

[zealous ridge]

No idea

It’s a ways off, and suggestions aren’t really needed right now because of that

[wispy jolt]

i hopee them maake a tag toggle thing

bc i hate that it tahs 24/7

[cobalt pewter]

suggestions based off changelogs isn't allowed, counts as future content

@glossy stone

[glossy stone]

What does that mean ?

[cobalt pewter]

The changes you mentioned aren't in-game yet

And you're supposed to sugg anything you can directly experience

[glossy stone]

Oh...

Makes sense I guess

[proper grail]

I know what my next suggestion is gonna be

Otherworldly stone doesn't change design when hammered, even though it changes hitbox

That needs fixing

[cobalt pewter]

Isn't that more fitting for #bugs-read-pins?

[proper grail]

It's not clear if it's a bug or not

In fact it's part of the notes section on the wiki

[cobalt pewter]

Then yeah, might try asking the bugs channel first

Or bug a dev

[dapper coral]

or it might not be supposed to be on the wiki in the first place

ig you can make the sugg for now and then bug a wiki person to remove it from the wiki if someone tells you it's a bug

[proper grail]

I'll wait until I don't have two suggestions already in voting

[cobalt pewter]

Mmng

Idk

Drew's Wings is technically on the same tier of Celestial Tracers

[tawny garden]

Yeah our policy doesn't allow bugs on the wiki

Unless it'a a really prominent bug that can cause severe damage

[proper grail]

Well Sand is stumped, that's a good sign

It might just be that there aren't any sprites for the hammered block

[tawny garden]

Or in the changelog pages we put all bugfixes

[zealous ridge]

i think the sprite for sloping exists...?

i think what doesnt change is the carpet

because otherworldly stone has a weird layer of carpet or something on top

it happens with ueli brick, as well

[frozen storm]

I have no idea what i'm talking about

[craggy stratus]

certain weapon that focus on debuff should not trigger summon penalty

is that what you mean

[frozen storm]

Yes

Thank you

[dapper coral]

yeeeaaaaah your sugg is all over the place

i suggest you reword your title to "make classless weapons not trigger summoner penalty"
and then focus your sugg specifically on this, and not on how it impacts SCal (which is kinda random) and not on getting an cursed-flames variant of golden gun (because that belongs in another sugg)

[frozen storm]

Oh

They doesnt trigger in-game

[dapper coral]

what doesn't?

[frozen storm]

I only know that SCal is immune every debuff except Ichor, Cursed, and some minion debuffs

Golden Gun, Marked Magnum, Lunic Eye

And one classless weapon that crafts from Aeralite

They doesnt trigger penalty

Aestheticus

[urban zenith]

Aeralite Dynamite, and Astral Water

why we want that Astral water anyway

[unreal viper]

for bad water jokes

[frozen storm]

And some Guardian weapons but who cares they doesnt inflict debuff

[zenith hazel]

pretty sure the portal telegraph was kinda toned down last update, no?

like there's a longer delay between the laser walls ending and the portal charge

can you provide a video example? @finite drift

[frozen storm]

Yes

I think after portal telegraph player has 3-5 seconds to react

Or more

Like 5-9s?

[finite drift]

lemme record this

few minutes

[zenith hazel]

make sure you're up to date too

[finite drift]

i do

[frozen storm]

Portal telegraph spawns under the player?

[finite drift]

near to

[proper grail]

1.5 hours later, I've finally confirmed that the sloping issues are bugs and they've been added to the doc

[finite drift]

i dodged it , but he was too close to me

or maybe i am just not so smart idk

[hollow shell]

I mean
You could see him on the map overlay the entire time

[craggy stratus]

the portal is that far away? last time i play, it was about 30 blocks away

[hollow shell]

Might be better to get a clip from closer to the end of the fight, when he's faster?

[jovial spire]

yeah seems like a just fine reaction time w/ the map overlay

[zealous ridge]

map overlay still irks me

in any case the reaction time seemed fine enough

[tulip parcel]

Why change Yharim's crystal

It's already a gigantic fuckin laser

If giant lasers aren't interesting to you then your interests are lame

[sharp prism]

ok the thing is there's already 2 lasers

so its unoriginal

[tulip parcel]

is melee unoriginal because they're all swords?

[limber ocean]

yoyos, flails, spears and throwable melee weapons: 👀

[golden narwhal]

A weapon's function is not the same as the weapon

[cobalt pewter]

Mage is known for its diversity

Hence why like 3-4 tentacle magic weapons irked me

[zealous ridge]

mage's cohesive element is pretty much that it's weapons dont follow a cohesive theme

while melee is about close range, or more specifically spacing

[cobalt pewter]

And actually. Yes. Most of Melee™ is boring because it's mostly projectile shooting broadswords

[zealous ridge]

or ranger is just fuck you track enemy

mage can cover many ranges with many functions

[limber ocean]

simple =/= boring

[cobalt pewter]

That's invalidated in many of Terraria's major content mods

[zealous ridge]

it shouldnt be

and vanilla invalidates it, as well

so, yes, its invalidated

[golden narwhal]

Mage but better™️

[zealous ridge]

but in my opinion its at least what it should be

yknow

rogue similarly is something inbetween melee and ranger

with both tracking based weapons and spacing based ones

ends up being a mess, often

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[zealous ridge]

simple doesnt always mean boring

they are distinct in their applications

what matters more is potential

when i say projectile broadswords have little potential, i very much mean it

it should not be as large as a "subclass" as it is

arguably, longer ranged melee weapons are required due to how terraria works

i think projectile swords are by far the laziest and least interesting solution

spears are somewhat similar, if their main thing is just shooting a simple projectile

but at least they have aimability and bonuses for being closer, while still offering more distant damage

or any damage at all

[cobalt pewter]

Either way, magic is advertised as a class with massive variety in weapons

And having something like Yharim's Crystal (which is post-Yharon) doing exactly the same thing as Last Prism (post-ML) with no changes mechanically aside from color is kinda irky

At the very least, Dark Spark does something unique in regards of being a Prism weapon

This also goes with almost every single "tentacle" magic weapons (based off Shadowflame Hex doll). If I'd remember correctly, these should be Eldritch Tome, Tome of Fates and Augur of Elements (excluded SSV because it's somewhat unique)

[hollow plaza]

God the tentacle weapons are boring for me since the particles barely render

So it's just underwhelming

[cobalt pewter]

They don't even perform too well

Abyssal Tome beats Eldritch Tome by a long shot

Tome of Fates is pretty fucking meme considering the amount of better magic weapons at that point

And Augur dies to Effervescence

[zealous ridge]

fates doesnt make much sense

abyssal is just way more utility

for its block phasing and long range

augur also is guegh

[cobalt pewter]

guegh

lmao

Either way yes

I would suggest reworks to these weapons, but they're less of value compared to Yhermes

[sand umbra]

(excluded SSV because it's somewhat unique)

no SSV is excluded because it's the wrong fucking type of weapon for being in that list

[cobalt pewter]

Jrjdkfkfkvkkv

[zealous ridge]

wait, what are we talking about

[cobalt pewter]

shut

Mage weapons

[sand umbra]

we're talking about how 3 distinct Chinese bootleg Shadowflame Hex Dolls exist in Calamity

and how all of them suck

[zealous ridge]

ah i didnt see the (excluding SSV) thing so i was just confused as to what was being quoted

i see it now

[cobalt pewter]

lol

Either way yeah

[zealous ridge]

yeah ssv was never really a tentacle weapon

was more like typhoon before

but now its distinct in many ways

[sand umbra]

it is greater than the sum of its parts

much, much greater

[zealous ridge]

as in ssv is greater than the tentacle shit

because it is

[sand umbra]

as in its component tomes are almost all super boring

I think Event Horizon is one of them and that one's cool

[zealous ridge]

specifically the augur yea

event horizon is okay

[sand umbra]

Augur is awful lmao

[cobalt pewter]

I'd suggest reworks to these Chinese bootlegs, but like, they're less valuable than Yharim's Crystal (which started all this), and I bet my left testicle no one knows what Tome of Fates does when reading the sugg

[zealous ridge]

oh i do

bc i hate it

[sand umbra]

nobody knows or cares what Tome of Fates is aside from crafting into Augur of the Elements

lmao

[zealous ridge]

fucking brimstone tentacle???????????????????????

why brimstone, why is it still pink iirc

[sand umbra]

Tome of Fates is ancient iirc

[zealous ridge]

what does any of this have to do with meld

it is

ancient as fucking xeroc

[sand umbra]

I s'pose people just never got around to reworkin' it

[zealous ridge]

because xeroc was the first armor

im actually so surprised it wasnt touched at all

i literally was like, making a suggestion to rework tome of fates

this was before rust and dust

[cobalt pewter]

The time when I actually went to make a magic weapon doc (which is Soon™), I'll be dissecting these weapons to even the teensy bit, nitpicky details

[zealous ridge]

and if i recall it was before fucking final dog resprite

and i said "rework it its stupid as hell"

but i was given the response of "we're reworking the set, so wait on it"

and we got a bunch of fancy ass sprites but almost no functionality changed across any of the weapons

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

for the record, i dont mean to discredit the work that was done, at all

the sprites are great

[cobalt pewter]

What's Star of Destruction originally was again?

[zealous ridge]

they are massive as fuck but they are good

star of destruction hasnt really changed

[cobalt pewter]

No the name

[zealous ridge]

its the same as it was, just different sprite

was always star of destruction

[cobalt pewter]

Oh huh

[zealous ridge]

did not have a name change itself

but everything else got changes pretty much

[cobalt pewter]

Alr

[zealous ridge]

entropic claymore, shard of antumbra

[cobalt pewter]

Those are the renamed ones then

Byeah, a bit off topic now, point is, why shouldn't Yharim's Crystal be different from Last Prism?

It drops from Yharon, at 1% chance (directly, not from the bag, so fuck all them bag cheese bullshit), and Void Vortex has something unique going on despite dropping at a higher rate than Yharim's Crystal

[hollow shell]

Only reason is
the weapon type is moderately difficult to work with and the devs have other priorities

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed, I'm not saying when they should do it, rather why shouldn't they consider doing it

[crude geode]

Don’t auric wings already exist, in the form of Drew’s Wings?

[pine star]

yeah

[sharp prism]

thats generally the arguement made

[vocal grotto]

I don't really think reworking it to be different would be difficult anymore, but there are other things to be dealt with atm, yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah, I doubt making this unique would be extremely hard in the hands of the programmers of cal, so yeah, all that's left is priority

[hardy dock]

No reason not to give Drew's Wings some buff with Auric Armor

[radiant meadow]

(the fact that both are already strong af on their own maybe?)

[hot zephyr]

Is there a reason to use Drew's Wings on their own instead of crafting it into tracers?

[cobalt pewter]

I personally do it to avoid my horizontal mobility being fucked, and a few more flight time

Though that's a weak one ye

[hot zephyr]

I actually prefer Elysian Tracers, they seem easier to control

[radiant meadow]

Drew's wings offer like 1.3 extra seconds of flight time iirc.

[hot zephyr]

Flight time is a meme stat

[radiant meadow]

and I like the look of drew's wings better 🤫

[hot zephyr]

Vanity slots exist

[radiant meadow]

I also don't care for running too much

so running speed is kinda useless to me

[cobalt pewter]

Tracers have the i-frame memes, which (even if it doesn't work atm) puts it an edge over Drew's

[zealous ridge]

Drew’s wings are just solar right?

[distant gyro]

white solar wings

[zealous ridge]

I know celestial are not, but they’re gross as hell

yeah that’s what I thought

this item has existed with a recolored sprite for its entire existence

[radiant meadow]

yeah but I like it

[distant gyro]

(Absolutely Fabulous)

[zealous ridge]

make no mistake

solar wings are fly as hell

Pun intended

but I mean you could use solar wings dyed white??????

I don’t think they should look like fucking

Celestial dorito wings

[radiant meadow]

I think someone was respriting it actually (but then died)
they don't look like doritos. they look good

[zealous ridge]

well celestial tracer wings

[radiant meadow]

by respriting, I mean like 3 months ago

[zealous ridge]

you like them?????

[radiant meadow]

I think tracers are alright

I like how drew's wings look better

[zealous ridge]

I hate the way they look comparably

I don’t think seraph or Elysian will win any awards either to be fair

but celestial is way too large, and the flapping animation looks bad

A problem with many calamity wings, actually

although it is a subjective matter anyways

[hollow shell]

Celestial Tracer wing sprite is hot garbage

Really banded and poorly shaded

But nobody's bothered respriting them

(I think there may have been one attempt in the past year, maybe year and a half?)

[zealous ridge]

unfortunate

[hollow shell]

It is unfortunate.

[zealous ridge]

fellas, can we get a Godslayer Gravity Thruster In chat

[hollow shell]

Best wings in the game look cruddy, and the second best is a vanilla recolor

[zealous ridge]

excited for that

[hollow shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612004648118779904/680835956793671743/Celestial_Tracers_and_Drews_Wings.png

Here's the last resprite attempt

And it was closely rejected because of how stringy and odd it looked

It almost got accepted

[zealous ridge]

Ah, I do remember this

I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just replace

there is no way I ever believe in 5 million years that more people thought current celestial was better than this

even if it wasn’t the best option

[hollow shell]

It was in fact exactly half and half

which is still a rejection

(or at least it was at the time it was submitted 10 months ago. Now it would be a 🔄 reaction, tellin the spriter that it was close and could be accepted with an edited resubmission, but in its current state would not be accepted)

[zealous ridge]

well ok

Idk how they’d look flying actually

[frail mantle]

something like this

[tawny garden]

isn't smooth enough

also for some reason if I stare at that animation for a bit it looks like it's rotating

[hollow shell]

(aw man, the copy-paste got rid of my italics formatting)

[cobalt pewter]

rip

[tawny garden]

@heady storm ↑

[hollow shell]

Not a big deal, I just used it to emphasize some bits

[heady storm]

What stuff was italicized?

[hollow shell]

It's fine

Has Amber given a reason why the bot sometimes fails to approve even though it's online?

[heady storm]

Nope.

[tawny garden]

tbh

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren I demand explanation

[tawny garden]

if she knew the reason she would probably fix it

[hollow shell]

Unless it was some inherent Discord problem

[tawny garden]

there aren't many of these

[heady storm]

Apparently finding issues with the software she uses isn't that easy.

[tawny garden]

certainly not with sending messages, cause it's like

the most used api functionality

[hollow shell]

Alright, it's not with sending messages

The bot is fully stalling

notice lack of highlight on left

[tawny garden]

someone exclamate that pls

it can remove my exclamation tho

if I add it

[glass sentinel]

lmao

why did you write test

[hollow shell]

That's odd

[glass sentinel]

me no understand

was it a joke

oh ic

[hollow shell]

bro

scroll up

[tawny garden]

[glass sentinel]

i thought you meant you were testing the channel

so i was sooo confused

[tawny garden]

maybe it's a problem with the library she uses
cause afaik she doesn't use js

nor python

also that was like the first time in 4 and a half months that I posted smth in posting

[hollow sierra]

i'm pretty interested to see what impact the mobility survey results will have on the mod, hopefully it does something about tracer dominance and defines unpopular choices better

not sure if a bloodflare+godslayer wing sugg fits anywhere now though if the whole mobility system is already being inspected

[cobalt pewter]

Godslayer wing is coming.

[hollow sierra]

source?