suggestions-discussion

[zealous ridge]

highly doubt that would be enforced

very cool

[sleek hornet]

Modding is PC only, so the informations are only for PC

[long vault]

iirc there are already a bunch of mods that strictly implement 1.4 features and nobody cares

like the autodoors mod

[zealous ridge]

well i just meant like, tmod isnt 1.4 for instance

but either way i getcha

[cobalt pewter]

Assets are not allowed to be backported essentially

[long vault]

ye no stealing

[cobalt pewter]

But even then why bother messing with shroom gen when 1.4 already made it better and we can just wait

[long vault]

make it better than 1.4 lmao

[zealous ridge]

ah, thats probably what it meant

assets cant be brought into previous versions

[cobalt pewter]

1.4 shroom is fucking god

Idk how you'd improve on it

[zealous ridge]

its a little less organic looking

as in its less randomized in how theyre structured

but i like it in this case

especially for crabulon

or finding truffle worms, if you want to speak on vanilla terms

[cobalt pewter]

Crabulon gon fucking die in 1.4 shroom

Byeah, back to suggs

[zealous ridge]

yea i guess i dont have much to say about firestorm

[ancient crow]

the 1.4 shroom domes will make an amazing arena

[zealous ridge]

i dont really think it needs this kind of buff

i also dont know what musket means

musket spreadshot

if theyre talking about literal muskets then yes theyre spread weapons

but ingame theyre far from that

[long vault]

not to be elitist but, crabulon was never hard. I've been fighting him enraged every kill since they made him enrage on surface apparantly and he's still easier than other bosses in his tier.

back to sugs, nerf rod of discord? have you considered just not using it instead?

don't get sugs like that tbh

[serene fox]

you can also just not use incredibly overpowered items

doesn't mean they should exist

[long vault]

if you think something is op, you have the choice not to use it. other people might like to use it because it is op.

not everyone has to fit into the same mold of what you consider to be fun

[serene fox]

so the mod should just give up on any semblance of balance then?

[long vault]

mod shouldn't take explicit efforts to gate what the player can do with items that already existed outside the mod

calamity is a large broad content mod ill suited for niche fixes like "RoD too strong"

[foggy plover]

that argument is kinda

out the window at this point

cal has done plenty of stuff in that range already

[long vault]

should be doing less, not more

[foggy plover]

agreed

but, it doesnt invalidate a suggestion

[tulip parcel]

i had a thought, but

Is it possible to check which positions a player has been at in a world?

[mighty knot]

@last spade I believe that would fall under 'specific item suggestion.'
If you don't know what that is/why it's bad, read the pins in this channel or the document attached to the top message in #suggestions-posting.

[golden narwhal]

I'm very unsure on how SIS this is

[last spade]

Ahh my bad. You're right, and I'm probably a dumbass for not reading that document

[heady storm]

Yeah that's a SIS.

[golden narwhal]

You could unspecify it to "Add more 'single minion summons'"

[sand umbra]

yeah this leans a little too close to specific item territory for my tastes

[last spade]

Fair enough, my bad fellas lmao

[hot zephyr]

Are life crystals really needed though? The bag hands out enough miner + spelunker pots to net you a few crystals on your first trip downwards

[zealous ridge]

yeh, it’s not needed

The main thing here is I don’t think players are as brittle as you make them out to be

granted you can’t take too many hits, but combat is not too hard for what you’ll be facing early

like, the various slimes will not cause you enough issue to justify extra hearts

[golden narwhal]

Yea, beginner enemies are basically designed for your level of mobility so you can get hearts with (as Ian said) the mining gear

[zealous ridge]

imo

A different beast is traps

while enemies work well enough, traps are scaled very poorly

Especially expert+

[golden narwhal]

i'd still be up for the extra hearts in death mode specifically because yes

[zealous ridge]

dart traps are effectively instant kills without a heal

I’d not like that really

because...

Wait, how would that... work?

Are you suggesting a different method here? Besides more hearts early

[golden narwhal]

No, was mostly a meme (mostly)

[zealous ridge]

Alright

Practically that wouldn’t work

Because you’d need to open the bag to even activate death

[golden narwhal]

Yea, unless smth less was introduced

[zealous ridge]

and still, I don’t know if that would be the solution there

could be like an extra 20-40 hp

or something ..?

but at that point, what would be stopping you from activating death, getting extra hearts, and then just switching it off

Unless it’s permanent now?

Cosmic plushie is specifically dedicated to a challenge, right

was it the spear run or was that apoth

I think that’s apoth

[radiant meadow]

plushie was UT reward

apoth was spear run

[zealous ridge]

the plushie is based on the speed run I remember that

or something like that

[golden narwhal]

Does it need terry verification (if he's the dedicatee)

[radiant meadow]

hardcore spears speedrun was apoth

[zealous ridge]

I think it’s Terry’s

[radiant meadow]

it is

[zealous ridge]

I know it’s based off of a kerubi art however

[golden narwhal]

Ah, aight

[sand umbra]

yeah Plushie is dedicated to Terry

[hollow shell]

Did anybody tell @golden narwhal that 1.4 makes the top eye stay open for much longer

[golden narwhal]

It does, yes

My sugg is for the eye to stay open for even longer as the hand eyes are getting killed

Possibly to the point where it stays open when the hands are dead so the fight doesn't drag out

[earnest raptor]

:why: is added?

[dapper coral]

no?

[earnest raptor]

Ping me, when it will be added, so I could ruin it.

[golden narwhal]

[earnest raptor]

[frail mantle]

bold to assume it'll be re-added

[earnest raptor]

after I'll have some ideas for suggestions

[hot zephyr]

[silent quartz]

I am new to Calamity, long time terraria player. What are the best classes for this mod? :3

[tawny garden]

#calamity-mod-talk

Or #help-advice-read-pins

[frail mantle]

That’d be a question better asked in #calamity-mod-talk

[earnest cape]

Ben's pogu sugg is at 140 stars

[manic aspen]

why are all these suggs so close to the star req

[earnest cape]

My sugg is at 186 :(

[tawny garden]

140 is enough for server suggs

[earnest cape]

Ye

[heady storm]

[earnest cape]

[manic aspen]

some older suggestions reached the star req

can you react them pls

[heady storm]

No, because I can't deliver them.

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

Nice one mrasianman

[cobalt pewter]

@heady storm one sugg needs to be moved to voting though, bot dead again

:chungla

[tranquil perch]

new emote

Epic

[golden narwhal]

[tawny garden]

[tepid root]

pogu

[heady storm]

@ashen warren another diagnosis if possible needed.

[serene fox]

yes

[earnest cape]

Brimstone monster more like hage

[crude geode]

Brimstone Monsters are the reason why death mode SCal is so damn difficult.

[earnest cape]

Bouncing brimstone monsters

[crude geode]

They take up at least a quarter of the arena at any point in time

[earnest cape]

They indeed do

I think they would take up at least 50% of the death arena if they didnt overlap with each other

[crude geode]

Prolly tbh

I would prefer if Brimstone Monsters were just completely removed in favor of quarter-cut sections of the arena being covered in brimstone flames with a small red hue (similar to DoG's laser indicators) indicator before it gets inferno'd. Brimstone Monsters are practically rng at points, and SCal can already screw you over with blast rng.

[earnest cape]

Agreed

[crude geode]

Also they're a large reason why multiplayer SCal is nonsensical.

It forces you to work a player down, because they automatically target the host, even if that's not who SCal is focusing, and then kinda just drift off.

Anyways, if anyone has any changes/additions to make to the sugg, just @ me

[earnest cape]

Did you know the moons begone if the player they tarbet dies

[earnest cape]

The obligatory feedza sugg :D

[cobalt pewter]

That shit was planned to be written since morning

Somehow I just managed to write the entire thing now

[earnest cape]

Mood

[crude geode]

The Gamma Heart interaction is a specific reference.

[cobalt pewter]

I know, but it'd still be nice to have somewhat an interactivity for summons

[crude geode]

you do realize interactivity with summoner is nonexistent right

Like gamma heart gets a pass Bc it’s funny reference, but it’s incredibly rare for other summons

[cobalt pewter]

True, it's worth trying to sugg it doe

😳

[crude geode]

iirc, amber hates summoner being given active things, and someone has said that active summon things like borealis bomber and other certain things were mistakes

[earnest cape]

Oof

[crude geode]

Also, good luck using endo hydra effectively on yharhar with this

[sleek hornet]

YHARHAR

[crude geode]

Yharon the Jungle Dragon gives him too much credit.

[frail mantle]

i mean if she hates summoner having active attacks why would she make basically PSC's whole thing an active summon weapon

[crude geode]

I dunno, I may be recalling an incorrect member

[earnest cape]

Also whats PSC been bothering me

[crude geode]

Profaned Soul Crystal

[earnest cape]

The shadowspec accessory?

[crude geode]

Yep

[earnest cape]

Ah

[echo kestrel]

wouldn't PSC get a pass because it is an endgame accessory?

[crude geode]

eh she would prolly make it not an active summoner accessory then

[earnest cape]

The PSC (imo) is fine tbh

[zenith hazel]

bot should be back up

[cobalt pewter]

[swift wharf]

The thing is

Dev gear is 100% vanity

[hardy dock]

The whole point of Expert items is to reward good players

[sharp prism]

expert isnt that difficult in calam

[hardy dock]

I agree

[sharp prism]

mm

[hardy dock]

Going through the trouble to do that when Expert isn’t even that much harder than normal is kinda pointless

[craggy stratus]

dev stuffs drop from bag right
if so arma mode can help with that

[hardy dock]

Actually that’s true

Good point

[echo kestrel]

has it been suggested for calamity-UI things to be affected by UI scaling?

[swift wharf]

It's a feature now

[echo kestrel]

oh what? last time I checked the boss hp bar doesn't get any smaller than 100%

even if you set the UI scale to be 80% of default or lower

[swift wharf]

I mean, for thr next update

[echo kestrel]

ah

neat

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah ripper and stealth bars will be affected by UI scale next update

[tawny garden]

I remember suggesting that a whole fucking year ago

[sharp prism]

ok Philo

[tawny garden]

which shows how stupid UI is to code in Terraria

[hardy dock]

Everything is a pain to Code in Terraria

A friend of mine playtests for the Deposed Radiance mod and has explained that for some reason liquids don’t update in subworlds

[crude geode]

God there’s no variety in fire rates in guns in terraria. It’s either
-Full Auto, “Fast” use time pistol or machine gun
-Autoshotty
-Sniper Rifle with Slow use time

[white swift]

do you mean that they should add relaod time?

[crude geode]

I mean that they should add guns that don’t fire like machine guns for once, or snipe rifles.

Even things like the onyx blaster get turned into a shotgun mini gun abomination

[white swift]

its pretty good

ngl

[crude geode]

There’s nothing like a charge/channeled shotgun that you can charge up to release bigger and bigger blasts on, nor anything lower than an average fire rate. If it is, it’s a sniper rifle or a funky weapon like infinity.

[white swift]

maybe they should add a charge shotgun as a referance to Fortnite.

[cobalt pewter]

Imagine fortnite

[crude geode]

same

But really, looking at any all guns in calamity video shows how little variety in fire rates there is.

[white swift]

i see

[cobalt pewter]

Taser is pretty unique, but it's like phm

[cobalt pewter]

And to further push your point, you can show them T3-5 Arsenal

[white swift]

its a magic gun tho

[cobalt pewter]

All of them are literally named Rifles

[cobalt pewter]

Taser is ranged.

[tame garnet]

taser is just phm piranha gun
we need more guns like piranha gun

[white swift]

it is?

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

!wiki Taser

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Taser

[white swift]

my bad

[cobalt pewter]

No worries

[cobalt pewter]

We do need post DoG Piranha Gun doe, maybe Barracuda Gun upgrade

[crude geode]

frankly I’d prefer more things that aren’t just copies of vanilla weaponry, such as minishark but oh, no, it’s different Bc XYZ and that makes it cool

[cobalt pewter]

😳

[white swift]

also i dont understand one thing

if this is public, wouldnt it be flooded with people

[crude geode]

What?

[white swift]

this discution

[tawny garden]

no?

is it currently flooded?

[white swift]

no

[tawny garden]

well, there's your answer

[white swift]

that is what is strange about it

[tame garnet]

but if you end up making so many unique weapons, people might be overwhelmed
sometimes, you need basic

[tawny garden]

most people talk in #calamity-mod-talk

[white swift]

oh ok

[tawny garden]

and they don't care about this channel

or in #general-talk

[crude geode]

then you find the opposite problem, where there’s no variety in weaponry.

aka melee weapons where every tier of anything has a sword or something similar associated with it

[cobalt pewter]

There could be balance between unique and basic

[crude geode]

^

[tame garnet]

yes

[white swift]

maybe make new weapons and armor for the throwing class

[crude geode]

what.

[white swift]

the dead throwing class like granades

[eternal escarp]

uh

[crude geode]

throwing is dead.

[eternal escarp]

whos gonna tell him?

[cerulean estuary]

me

[crude geode]

rogue is Alive.

[tawny garden]

[cerulean estuary]

there is no throwing

it was never real

[white swift]

*leaves

[tawny garden]

ah yes, Rogue is definitely Alice

[cobalt pewter]

Reject throwing, return to rogue

[tawny garden]

what

Throwing is shit

[tame garnet]

the forbidden class

[tawny garden]

and that's undeniable

[crude geode]

Throwing doesn’t exist.

[tawny garden]

and if you deny it, you aren't really denying it

[tame garnet]

wtf you guys throw weapons, i just rogue my weapons

[cobalt pewter]

I'm here pushing changes to stealth rogue and mans asking for throwing

[tawny garden]

fuck stealth, return to Shroomite

[crude geode]

Frankly, I think the additional of more pistol type weapons is nice, but at the same time there’s is so many high fire rate ranged weapons.

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

even tho code wise they're sorta the same with weird compatibility idk

[cobalt pewter]

An actual late game revolver weapon that instakills when you shoot right at 12pm 😳

[tawny garden]

allDamage + thrownDamage + throwingDamage - 2

[white swift]

*returns

hey

[cerulean estuary]

throwing is cringe and lamepilled

[crude geode]

Something as simple as adding powerful shotguns with slow/very slow speed could add some variety to the guns in calamity.

[white swift]

ok enough

[tawny garden]

no

Specific suggestions aren't allowed

[crude geode]

Contribute to the discussion at hand or go to #calamity-mod-talk

[crude geode]

This might also be my mage bias seeping in and think there’s not enough variety in ranged

[tame garnet]

btw what do you guys who use melee think of my suggestion

[white swift]

its like it dosent do enough dps

[cobalt pewter]

Though if you'd ask me, those might be deliberate since apparently according to Merk, cal's ranged is intended to be the "default" class

[white swift]

I thought melee was the one

since you start as a melee

with the copper shortsword

[cobalt pewter]

Starter bag gives weapons of all classes

So you can start as anything really

[white swift]

but before you open it

[crude geode]

vanilla cringe

[white swift]

it was made not to over power the player

[tame garnet]

smh using a starter bag in a solo summoner playthrough
ogtta cut down a tree without killing or hurting a slime

[crude geode]

Ah yes, having a copper broadsword instead of a copper short sword is really op

[tawny garden]

the bag is available from the start

[white swift]

ik

[tawny garden]

and melee is no longer the default

[cobalt pewter]

You're supposed to open the bag immediately ye

[crude geode]

^

[white swift]

thats what i did

i like the music box inside

[tawny garden]

which is probably why Ranged is braindead

[unreal viper]

other classes act like they're better, but in reality they're all braindead, ranger is just the most honest about it

[tame garnet]

so your telling me
the class that has summons only isnt more braindead

[white swift]

also why cant you use revengence mode in normal mode?

[tawny garden]

cause it's supposed to be above expert

[white swift]

master mode

[tawny garden]

at all times

[crude geode]

Master mode is 1.4 and sucks.

[white swift]

bc you are jealous

[tawny garden]

we do not need to worry about master at this stage

[crude geode]

^

[tawny garden]

jealous of what?

[cobalt pewter]

sad stealth rogue noises

[white swift]

not having 1.4

[pine star]

soon to be happy stealth rogue noises

[crude geode]

...what.

[pine star]

wtf?

[tame garnet]

tbh i dont like 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

are we still discussing suggs or what

[pine star]

I was talking about changelog 256

[hot zephyr]

topic? uwu

[tawny garden]

this

[white swift]

ya theres not much context tbh

[tame garnet]

lmao

[white swift]

in 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

Go back to sugg talk ya daft troglodyte fuckheads

That's a new term, anyways

[crude geode]

Continue with an actual discussion now about a suggestion @white swift , or go to #general-talk

[tame garnet]

ok
do any of you guys have any criticisms of my suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

I'm all for ceasing Brimstone Monsters in favor of a better attack

[tawny garden]

troglodyte fuckheads

[white swift]

maybe add an auratic ore slime counterpart

[pine star]

same

Also, there is a RIDICULOUS amount of auric ore in the world after Yharon dies

[crude geode]

Brimstone Monsters would be like spawning invincible dragonfollys during Yharon p2 that follow the player but don’t actually attack. Just makes no sense.

[tawny garden]

was suggested like
very recently

[white swift]

really? i cant seem to find any

[crude geode]

Try searching in #suggestions-voting

[tawny garden]

also you shouldn't suggest just for the sake of "uh I absolutely need to suggest smth"

[tame garnet]

@white swift

[crude geode]

^^^

Byech, brimstone monsters very cringe.

[tawny garden]

@ruby star who's this

oh oops

sorry for pinging

[crude geode]

Bruh moment

[tame garnet]

just pinged the road smh

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

it showed up as an unparsed mention

@nimble roost no.

no meme suggs

[nimble roost]

Why

[tame garnet]

@nimble roost yes.

[nimble roost]

That wasn't a meme suggestion

[robust lava]

Then give it a reason

[crude geode]

What’s your reasoning for your suggestion?

Put it in said suggestion

Not here

[tawny garden]

let me guess

[zenith hazel]

it is a meme suggestion

[pine star]

i don't want to see what it is

[zenith hazel]

it makes no sense, contributes nothing, and basically invalid because brimmy is going to get a resprite anyway

besides

[pine star]

oh

[zenith hazel]

if she does get a shirt it will fucking burn

[tawny garden]

[nimble roost]

Oh I didn't mean the boss btw

[tame garnet]

brav here is thinking 100 universes ahead

[nimble roost]

The one from the rose stone

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

then what did you mean

[zenith hazel]

then it still contributes nothing regardless

[tawny garden]

she's the exact same

[nimble roost]

The one from the rose stone

Okay I'm gonna delete it

[white swift]

i have a meme sugestion

[nimble roost]

Sorry.

[tame garnet]

it would still take time and contribute to nothing to do that

[tawny garden]

don't

[crude geode]

Do not

[zenith hazel]

I will nuke that meme suggestion

[pine star]

Cease

[white swift]

ok

there is no meme

never has been

[crude geode]

Ok, go to #general-talk please

[tawny garden]

good

[tame garnet]

do you guys think i should specify further for my suggestion, or is it good as is

[tawny garden]

maybe

[crude geode]

Suggs seems valid enough to me really, tho the reasoning behind it is unclear

[pine star]

byeah

[crude geode]

You can’t make frost armor out of titanium armor

[pine star]

Or shroomite armor with chlorophyte ranged set

[crude geode]

or spectre with ectoplasm and chlorophyte mage set

[cerulean estuary]

or summoner-oh wait

[tame garnet]

i mean
the main resaon is that chlorophyte armor and turtle armor need the same amount of chlorophyte
for frost armor and forbidden armor do not cost the same amount of titanium/adamantite as the regular armor counterpart

[crude geode]

I guess that’s true. Put that logic in your suggestion.

[tame garnet]

ok

[hot zephyr]

Isn't turtle and chlorophyte on the same tier?

[sharp prism]

---

no

[hot zephyr]

@solar shadow Read the don'ts doc.

[solar shadow]

what are the donts

[sharp prism]

that

[hot zephyr]

You can't suggest post-scal weps

[tame garnet]

@solar shadow you can do shift+enter to space out your suggestions, dont just split it up into different messages
also yeah check the donts

[solar shadow]

oh sorry i just forgot shift one time then tried to edit it in

also i didnt know about the no post scal

[tame garnet]

i ended up changing my suggestion to affect all 3 armor sets that use chlorophyte bars

[limber ocean]

I recall reading some discussion in the official 1.4 balance thread for vanilla about making the class-specific chlorophyte sets craftable from chloro armor

though it did get shut down fairly quickly, good points were brought up about how this negatively affects chloro armor, because farming the ore is a pain in the ass and farming such a thing for an armor that you're going to replace almost immediately is kinda yikes

[cobalt pewter]

This is...a bit specific?

[solar shadow]

what is?

[hot zephyr]

SIS

[solar shadow]

what?

[sharp prism]

echsad

[tawny garden]

did you read the doc in the pins

[solar shadow]

ye

what did i miss

i thought i read everything

[tawny garden]

do you know what a SIS is

if you don't, you haven't read the doc fully

[solar shadow]

i thaught he just said it like the 'internet language'

i thought i did read it fully

how did i miss summin

oh gosh

i just saw that

oh no

wait?

welp oops

[ruby star]

Bruh

[tawny garden]

sorry

[ruby star]

It’s fine lol

[tawny garden]

Since #suggestions-posting was created (20 April 2020), there were ⭐ 1986 Suggestions. Of these:
✅ 639 were delivered to the dev server/mod corner
👍 347 were approved
🚫 122 were rejected
☑️ 53 were bluechecks
🏁 82 were implemented
which gives a grand total delivery rate of 32.17%, an approval rate of 17.47% (54.3% of those delivered), and an implementation rate of 4.12% (that's including "instant flags" btw)

there, as I promised

stats

[wispy river]

so my suggestion was in the top 17 percent

cool

[earnest cape]

Dang

You actually did it

[radiant meadow]

That means is part of the top 4.12%

[tawny garden]

yes

[sharp prism]

dude how much research did you do

[earnest cape]

Can we make it 4.20% soon plis

[sharp prism]

TK mod now pog

[tawny garden]

4.12% is kinda smol tho

I didn't say anything

[cobalt pewter]

@tawny garden delivery rate is 32%?

[radiant meadow]

as it should be

[tawny garden]

yeah

[wispy river]

new suggestion

[sleek turret]

Now lets talk about the sugg.

[cobalt pewter]

Hm

[earnest cape]

My sugg is at 186 star

Pretty hmm inducing sugg

[zealous ridge]

Well, it technically wouldn’t matter which npc sells them, because steampunker and mechanic spawn before mechs... was that changed? I’d have to check that

[earnest cape]

Ye

Steampunker is forced to spawn if wof is beat

[wispy river]

Just make it availble after wof is defeated

[zealous ridge]

yea

so like, it could be from either of them

The main thing is maybe not everyone will pick up mechanic, but steampunker is nearly guaranteed to spawn and be alive to sell the summons

[sharp prism]

its hardcoded iirc

[zealous ridge]

what is..?

steampunker?

[sharp prism]

the move i requirements

[zealous ridge]

Ah

[sharp prism]

not forcing spawn

[sleek turret]

NPCs on Vanilla Terraria are hardcoded by a lot.

[zealous ridge]

ok, forcing spawn is because the requirements can’t be changed

[vague prairie]

the suggestion I wanted to post was listed as a suggestion in the doc that shouldnt be posted

[wispy river]

i mean it can only be sold after wof

not that it cant move n

[zealous ridge]

what was it about oreo

[earnest cape]

I mean you could just beat cyo and use enchanted metal from the archmage

[zealous ridge]

if it was in the doc then you should probably not suggest, generally

[vague prairie]

yharims army

[zealous ridge]

enchanted metal has its own problems

[vague prairie]

i thout it was original

[earnest cape]

H

[zealous ridge]

mmm

[vague prairie]

thought

[zealous ridge]

A lot of people have come up with that lol

[vague prairie]

guess not

[zealous ridge]

and it’s a very difficult and specific thing to implement

Thus, it likely wouldn’t get to voting

[wispy river]

ok im confused

what would be difficult

[tawny garden]

that's like
one of the longest-standing memes of this server

[zealous ridge]

yharims army is a pretty large one

exo gun, as well

[earnest cape]

Gee I wonder why

[cobalt pewter]

Tyranny's End exists now ig

[zealous ridge]

The spawn conditions are really hard to change and will likely result in multiple things breaking

As for letting her sell them pre-mechs, ehhh

[wispy river]

spawn conditions

that has nothing to do with that

[zealous ridge]

it wouldn’t be terrible

[wispy river]

the suggestion was not that

it was just to move it so instead of selling it from steampunker to mechanic after wof

[zealous ridge]

well I thought we were talking about your mention

There wouldn’t be anything hard about this, at all

this is more of a discussion of reasoning

namely, making this change for a reason that has its basis in vanilla lore is difficult to justify

[manic gale]

the thing is

calamity lore and vanilla lore are, as of journey's end, very different

[zealous ridge]

yes, that’s what I was getting at

[manic gale]

in calamity lore the mech bosses weren't made by the mechanic

they were made by draedon iirc

[earnest cape]

They were originally made for just getting stuff but draedon weaponized them

Byeah

[zealous ridge]

the reasoning here isn’t going to work

there are other ways to present it, mainly

and if it’s gonna get to voting it’s going to have to present a different case

Okay that’s what I’ll say about mechs

[vague prairie]

I relatively new to suggesting

so i dont know much

i've read the google doc tho

[zealous ridge]

completely fine

that’s a better start than some

if you have sugg questions, don’t be afraid to ask here

[vague prairie]

alright, thanks!

[zealous ridge]

there’s almost always someone who can answer questions yeah

[vague prairie]

also.... is your name a reference to metroid?

[zealous ridge]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly, mech spawns made with circuitry material

That's the bank

[zealous ridge]

ooh, as an alternative method?

Or added to current

[cobalt pewter]

To replace Enchanted Metal, rather

[vague prairie]

waw

wow

[zealous ridge]

yea

[vague prairie]

thats a good suggestion

[zealous ridge]

that would actually work out great

[vague prairie]

I'd give that a star

[cobalt pewter]

I already suggested to replace/remove Enchanted Metal, so that leaves them to whether they'll use circuitry

[zealous ridge]

if there’s going to be an alternative method

I would make it a bulk returns thing

like, plating, circuitry, and 1 soul from the respective mech

and that gives 3 of that summon item

[vague prairie]

oh wait!

that gives me an idea

[earnest cape]

This reduce boss summon price sugg

[vague prairie]

they could drop that as well

[hardy dock]

i left something in sugg posting

[vague prairie]

but i'll leave that to you

[earnest cape]

Feels off

[vague prairie]

don't want to steal the idea

[zealous ridge]

Yea sorry atomguy it moved to mechs for a sec

[vague prairie]

(and i'm in online classes rn)

lol

cya all later

[zealous ridge]

alright, reduced prices sounds nice

[hardy dock]

I can't tell if 75 gold for a Celestial Sigil is too little

[zealous ridge]

I believe it was reduced from 1 or 2 plat iirc

[hardy dock]

it was at 3 plat

Which is way too much

And like I said, for some reason Profaned Shard is 10 platinum

[zealous ridge]

Oh wait, it’s 3 plat right now?

[hardy dock]

ye

[zealous ridge]

ahh

[earnest cape]

Which is a reason why you should buy the,

[zealous ridge]

okay, you didn’t mention in sugg so i was confusion

[earnest cape]

No one ever needs to figt PG twice

[zealous ridge]

alright so

yeah

[hardy dock]

Yeah I said that

[zealous ridge]

there is a reason to though

a bit more of one, at least recently

The relics

which, are somewhat of a moot point

But still worth mentioning

[hardy dock]

The relics don't really save the fight

[earnest cape]

"A boss the player will only fight a couple of times" is an overstatement imo

[hardy dock]

They're pretty bad

[zealous ridge]

ofc not, convergence sucks

resilience is cool but wacky

And deliverance is also weird, but it’s fun

[hardy dock]

@nimble roost weren't the hitboxes just recently shrunk?

[nimble roost]

Wait were they?

[cobalt pewter]

To be fair, you only get to at least fight the boss(es) once

The Relics aren't worth grinding half of the time

[earnest cape]

@nimble roost make a proper suggestion with proper structure for the sugg being soace between the header and the text

[hardy dock]

He was at least nerfed in the changelogs

[cobalt pewter]

Aside from maybe Resilience

[sharp prism]

most hit boxes are bigger/smaller than the sprite

[cobalt pewter]

chuckles in PBG

[hardy dock]

Look at Leviathan

[earnest cape]

In fact yharpns hitbox is smaller than what his sprite is

[nimble roost]

It is?

[earnest cape]

His sprite is huge compared to his hitbox

[nimble roost]

Dang.

[hardy dock]

His hitbox is quite forgiving actually

[nimble roost]

I've been hit by nothing multiple times

[hardy dock]

If you're careful and keep your distance you should be fine

[earnest cape]

Agreed.

[sharp prism]

its why things like this happen

[hardy dock]

The relics are just gimmicks

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[whole sedge]

uh some screenshots of his hitbox relative to the model would be nice for the yharon sugg

[hardy dock]

hahahaha

Thats an oof

[earnest cape]

Funney

Laughs in PBG

[zealous ridge]

any ways, 10 plat is still pretty fucked

[nimble roost]

How can I see his hitbox?

[hardy dock]

But yeah you could often be inside Yharon and be fine

[whole sedge]

modder's toolkit

[earnest cape]

Or just not be close to yharon?

[cobalt pewter]

Hage sun

[hardy dock]

Even Melee can stay far away lol

[sharp prism]

just dont get hit

[zealous ridge]

Isn’t bloodworm mega zoinked in price too

[nimble roost]

Oh dang you're right

[earnest cape]

Is it?

[hardy dock]

I actually didn't check gimme a sec

[earnest cape]

[nimble roost]

The hit box is smaller

[zealous ridge]

I remember it being like 8 plat

[hardy dock]

8 plat

[sharp prism]

yes i use a modifed ctp

[earnest cape]

8 plat is okay for that stabe

[hardy dock]

Literally lower than the Profaned Shard lmaoo

[earnest cape]

Quite cheap actually

[hardy dock]

Why is the Profaned Shard so expensive

[zealous ridge]

for that stage 8 is cheap? Jesus

[hardy dock]

Wait Profaned Shard is five plat

Just checked imma go update my sugg

[zealous ridge]

What’s the average at that point

fucked up

[hardy dock]

Way too high

[zealous ridge]

lmao

[earnest cape]

Bro the bags that point give around 10-20 plat

What you on about

[zealous ridge]

fuck no they don’t

I don’t believe that

I’m checking

[earnest cape]

Imma check the wiki

[hardy dock]

Wait I'm confused

10 plat

[pine star]

why?

[whole sedge]

Profaned Guardians are supposed to only drop 1 platinum per and don't have a treasure bag..?

[hardy dock]

5 plat

I'm confused

[zealous ridge]

Must be wiki issue

[hardy dock]

Imma go off the Shard page

[zealous ridge]

I would trust the individual page

[hardy dock]

Instead of Vanilla changes

[zealous ridge]

Because the graphs are not as quickly updated

[hardy dock]

I agree

I updated my suggestiona already

[tawny garden]

hm

[earnest cape]

Wiki man go do your job

[hardy dock]

i don''t have calamity installed rn so could someone check

[earnest cape]

[whole sedge]

yeah uh idk why people are saying make yharon's hitbox smaller as frankly to me it looks too small

[hardy dock]

Yeah that's way too small

They'll prolly update it when the resprite comes

[zealous ridge]

More so I think yharon is too big

yeah

[earnest cape]

Its alright imo

[zealous ridge]

yharons sprite in general is massive as fuck

especially for a boss with lethal contact damage

compared to say dog

[hardy dock]

He could eat dog like spaghetti

[zealous ridge]

Polter, old duke

[cerulean estuary]

dog is danger noodle

[zealous ridge]

they’re all tiny as hell

compared to this unit

[earnest cape]

Dog is pretty thicc ill have you know

[zealous ridge]

not wide

[hardy dock]

[tawny garden]

found it
Item.buyPrice(5, 0, 0, 0)

[zealous ridge]

He’s long as fuck

[hardy dock]

ok so 5 plat?

[tawny garden]

ye

[hardy dock]

noice

[cobalt pewter]

Then there's PBG

[earnest cape]

Hes as wide as yharon

Lol

[hardy dock]

wtf

[earnest cape]

Lmao

Pbg hitbox is great

[hardy dock]

No wonder everyone was complaining

[zealous ridge]

what, in sprite? I don’t believe that

If you mean hitbox then sure

[earnest cape]

Loved the pain and suerring from it

[zealous ridge]

I could believe that

Plague bringer was worse imo

His hitbox went below him

[hardy dock]

I could 1st try Yharon

But I can't beat pbg

[earnest cape]

Also @tawny garden do you know the amount of money you get from each postml boss

[tawny garden]

ffs

[clever dagger]

pbg hitbox wonky

[earnest cape]

Cause either im being dumb or I can find it on the wiki

[zealous ridge]

pre prov you get 50 gold per

[earnest cape]

Also sorry

[hardy dock]

lmao Dragonfolly drops 30 gold

For a 5plat summon

[zealous ridge]

the bag says he drops 50

Might be more on rev

but it’s still not close

[tawny garden]

I feared it
it's now the time when I'm asked source questions instead of wiki editors.

[zealous ridge]

[earnest cape]

:fear:

[sharp prism]

youve decompiled source

[tawny garden]

[sharp prism]

your problem

[earnest cape]

That direct

[sharp prism]

shouldnt have done that if you didnt want it to happen

[earnest cape]

Not bag

[tawny garden]

no, my problem was not keeping my mouth shut

[earnest cape]

Gottem

[zealous ridge]

Oh wait fuck

it did say 30

maybe the money buffs are a multiplier?

I think that’s the case

Yeah, in expert alone he drops almost a plat

assuming the money drops are the same and the increase in money drops persists

[cerulean estuary]

also consider selling the drops

[zealous ridge]

And that’s on top of a 50% increase

[cerulean estuary]

makes money on top of the raw bag open

[zealous ridge]

from rev

it does, but the sell items aren’t very common on folly specifically

like, you’d usually keep the feathers

and you only get 1 weapon and the expert drop

providence has far more sell fodder comparably

[hollow shell]

@jaunty panther You know Terraria lore =/= Calamity lore, right?

[sharp prism]

wrong channel rover

unless im dumb

[hollow shell]

You are

[earnest cape]

Sugg

[tawny garden]

yes, this

[hollow shell]

In Calamity lore, Draedon created the mechanical bosses

[tawny garden]

[sharp prism]

:lets

[earnest cape]

❗ time

[hollow shell]

Still no relation to the Steampunker but your reasoning for why it should be moved to the Mechanic is incorrect

[earnest cape]

Rover about to commit die

[tawny garden]

sugg with a factual error

those are kinda rare

[sharp prism]

a rare breed of sugg

[tawny garden]

but I cant count these up

[earnest cape]

Youd think people research before they do this

[tawny garden]

like I did with proper suggs

[hollow shell]

(Technically not a factual error, she did indeed create them in Terraria lore
However, this is Calamity)

[earnest cape]

Indeed

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-discussion message

[wispy river]

how are you finding these hitboxes

[hollow shell]

Modder's Toolkit, probably

[tawny garden]

it can do that?

[earnest cape]

So technically a factual error

[whole sedge]

yeah mooders toolkit

[wispy river]

I wanna look at the hitboxes

[sharp prism]

do it then

its not that hard to do

[wispy river]

How do I do that?

[hollow shell]

Also @nimble roost seems like you realized earlier that Yharon's hitbox is actually pretty small. Do you still wanna keep your suggestion?

[nimble roost]

Nope

[earnest cape]

kill it

[hollow shell]

👍

[earnest cape]

:omegafailure:

[cobalt pewter]

Caltalk do be getting slowmode doe

😳

[vague prairie]

Rover, i just realized you were the creator of the acid rain theme. Probably one of my all time favorite calamity soundtracks, great job!!

[hollow shell]

Thanks mate

[vague prairie]

no problem!

[golden narwhal]

This sounds like a bug?

[dapper violet]

specifically, a bug with WeaponOut mod and not calamity

[golden narwhal]

It says "when u shoot" so I assume they mean the projectile

[zealous ridge]

would seem to be more of an oversight

which i would go to bugs for

[dapper coral]

yeah this is a bug

[zealous ridge]

although, gilded dagger got several suggestions asking for the way it rotates to change, as well

either way

would go to bugs

[dapper coral]

@crystal iron this is a bug, so go to #bugs-read-pins instead
follow the template in the pins there to report the bug

[crystal iron]

I don't have weapons out

Oh ok

[civic notch]

yeah please

that was super frustrating

especially having to deal with slime rain, pirates, and acid rain when I just wanna get to abyss

[hot zephyr]

~~I censored the image for sugg-posting ~~

[civic notch]

i dont even remember what I said that needed to be censored

[earnest cape]

That is a cursed image you have there ian

My sugg is in a stand still of 186 stars

Sadge

The broken water filter already disables natural acid rain spawns

[hot zephyr]

Which one

(sugg, not water filter)

[clever dagger]

ive somehow never heard of that item

lemme look in wiki lol

ah i see

[earnest cape]

The red moon lore sounds like a reference to bloodborne

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message I want to create 200 alts just to star this sugg

[clever dagger]

idk imo its fun dying a ton at the start lol

[earnest cape]

After a while not really no

[clever dagger]

thats why i said imo

[tawny garden]

The beginning of Pre-HM is so fucking slooow

I hate it

[clever dagger]

i like the non boss progression

[earnest cape]

alt time

[hollow shell]

To be fair Ian
Acid Rain only occurs in one location at the edge of the world

[tawny garden]

The Pirate Invasion also occurs in only one place in the world

That's not the point tho

[hollow shell]

Acid Rain is by far the least intrusive of the possible daily events
barring.. rain, if you count that

(Parties do not count)

[tawny garden]

Was there a moment in your life where you were like: "Aaah yes lemme do 5 invasions at once"

[hollow shell]

(when mindlessly farming post-DoG I probably did)

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

(Do Pumpkin and Frost simultaneously to save time )

[tawny garden]

ok that's fair

[hollow shell]

Anyway yeah Slime + Pirates would indeed be annoying

Acid Rain is pretty extraneous to that though unless I guess they were planning on going to the Abyss very soon

[earnest cape]

Wtf how do you do pumpkin and frost moons at the same time

I feel im missing out on something

[hollow shell]

Nah that's impossible

I wish I could do it

sometimes

[earnest cape]

Echsad

[hot zephyr]

Rover, while the Acid Rain only occurs in a small portion of the world, it also forces the player to pick what ever to play and what to miss out on; also if you have a house in the sulph sea, you're kinda fucked

[tawny garden]

Why would you have a house-

ok I won't judge

[hot zephyr]

There needs to be some kind of failsafe to prevent events from happening simultaneously and also happening too close together (event going directly into another event)

I had a house in the sulph sea for my acid rain summoner PT

[civic notch]

Btw in that very example I was trying to get to abyss

So it was pretty intrusive combined with the other two

[hollow shell]

I see

[hot zephyr]

Poor Lime just wanted to get me a Depth Crusher

[clever dagger]

also rain is just kinda annoying

it darkens the screen, fills the screen with moving particles, and makes annoying ambient noise

[earnest cape]

Cough cough fuck you rune of kos in soace

[sand umbra]

well that was fast

do people really agree with me that much on Cryonic metal

I was not expecting that sugg to reach star req given the recent trends of my rework suggs and certainly not that fast

[cobalt pewter]

Because it's probably quite evident that cryonic theming is

confusing

to say the least

[dapper blaze]

#suggestions-posting message @hot zephyr issue is these are completely unrelated and trying to cover them all would be a pain

[distant gyro]

you know

[dapper blaze]

also because all it does is lessen the chance of getting the event you want

[distant gyro]

it's too large to be sent in one image

big problem I have

funnily enough

@ thomas

[sand umbra]

you're on mobile

[distant gyro]

yes

[sand umbra]

mobile discord is invalid by default

get outta here

[distant gyro]

I do send suggestions on mobile

sometimes

[sand umbra]

cringe

[dapper blaze]

fear

[distant gyro]

[sand umbra]

anywho I have no idea what chord I struck but I will take it

that is the first rework sugg I have sent in the past like 2 months that has reached star req

[golden narwhal]

mfw a thomas wall-of-text sugg reaches the req

[dapper blaze]

[sand umbra]

dude nobody likes readin' these suggs anymore

I mean granted they didn't really read them that much in the first place, that's why most of my activity in this channel is arguing with people and trying to explain why what I'm suggesting isn't the second coming of Satan
but that's not the point

the point is that textwalls basically never get to star req which is why the Cryonic/Verstaltite sugg getting there stunned me so much

and like 175 of those stars were from the first 36 hours

in any event, I shall now: dance in celebratory fashion

and now I leave, because it's like 3 in the morning it's gettin' close to my usual sleepin' time

[cobalt pewter]

Bru

[sand umbra]

goodnight

[cobalt pewter]

👋

[heady storm]

Your suggestion is to actually rewrite the lore, which will technically end up happening anyway.

@rain basalt ergo; your suggestion is unecessary.

[cobalt pewter]

Wh

Xndfkfk

[rain basalt]

okay mate

[tawny garden]

People who don't have a proper sleeping cycle die 10 years sooner than those who do

fun fact

ok maybe not so fun but anyways

[golden narwhal]

@glass cedar https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/369115362186231809/783070435423027240

They're getting bags next update

[glass cedar]

Thank the lord!

Should I delete the suggestion?

[golden narwhal]

Ye, since it's already coming

[glass cedar]

Thanks for notifying me

[golden narwhal]

[earnest cape]

@ someone

[cobalt pewter]

Just wait

[earnest cape]

:stareman:

[frail mantle]

patience

[glass cedar]

Patience-chan is cute

[zealous ridge]

huh

nice

in general underwater boosts are odd on an item that has no other utility underwater

[cobalt pewter]

I need to remember actually suggesting every now and then, caught up in doc making lately

[zealous ridge]

so like, good

[cobalt pewter]

byeah

[zealous ridge]

Fuck making suggestions all my homies write google documents

yharon rework sugg

[tranquil perch]

i just read Ian's suggestion

and

[cobalt pewter]

I don't have enough experience for that yet

[tranquil perch]

man

[cobalt pewter]

I'll stick to rogue or accs

[tranquil perch]

the guy really doesnt use fargo's mutant, does he?

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[proper grail]

Hey Feedzuh

[cobalt pewter]

mhm?

[proper grail]

Post limit sugg just hit 140

You're doomed

[cobalt pewter]

oh shit

[sleek turret]

oh god.

[cobalt pewter]

ah frick rover is offline

[zealous ridge]

Death

[sleek turret]

anyways doesn't matter to me as well basically I do suggs every half a fargonian year

[pine star]

[proper grail]

Lol

I do a couple every two weeks

[sleek turret]

last sugg was torrential tear abyssal crates shit repost again

[proper grail]

Good one imo

[sleek turret]

it doesn't matter anymore since basically the first instance of the sugg got 200 stars.

not the uhh, repost one but the first one.

[earnest cape]

Wait can you link the sugg

[cobalt pewter]

just search for torrential tear?

[earnest cape]

But mobile

Is it this one #suggestions-voting message

[radiant meadow]

Elysian Aegis dash is shorter than asgardian aegis

and asgardian aegis dash is buffed next update

[cobalt pewter]

Ely is 29 and Asgard is 27?

In blocks

[radiant meadow]

elysian dash distance has a float value of 21.9f
asgardian dash is 22.7f

unless 21.9f is greater than 22.7f

then asgardian is longer

[cobalt pewter]

wiki being brunge ig

[dapper violet]

well raw code is different from ingame

[radiant meadow]

wait, I think that's the buffed distance, I think the nerfed distance is 22.3

which is still longer

[cobalt pewter]

Wiki editors have access to source iirc.,.,.,,.,,,.

[radiant meadow]

yeah, 22.3

which is still a bit longer than 21.9

[cobalt pewter]

I wonder if wiki's distance just didn't update then

gon do a quick fix

So Elysian has 21.9 blocks distance and Asgardian has 22.3 atm?

[radiant meadow]

not blocks

it's just a number used to determine the distance

dunno how it translates into blocks

[cobalt pewter]

Ah

Weird

Might change my sugg a bit

[hot zephyr]

Can someone link the postlimit sugg?

[ashen warren]

Ben are you sure asgardian is longer

I just tested it and elysian went further

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

Thanks.

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

It's a valid suggestion, tbh. As much as your suggs are good, they tend to block other suggestions due to their length

[radiant meadow]

counter = 14.5
cryo lore = 15.7
evasion = 16.3
asgard's = 16.9
elysian = 21.9
asgardian = 22.3
statis belt = 23.9
deep diver = 25.9

[hot zephyr]

I still don't understand why Deep Diver is 25.9

[cobalt pewter]

Because funne water arena

[pine star]

RIV?

[hot zephyr]

Doesn't mean the pre-EoC accessory should outclass literally everything else

It should be like... 16.5 at absolute most

[pine star]

Maybe you should sugg that?

To nerf the deep diver dash?

[hot zephyr]

Maybe

I'll wait as to not reduce the chances of my other suggestion being seen

[sharp prism]

when are you ever gonna be in a water arena outside of defiled

[hot zephyr]

I mean, if you're exploring the many water areas in the game

[radiant meadow]

asgardian and statis belt are buffed to 22.7 and 25.4 next update

[hot zephyr]

Sunken Sea, Abyss, all make the Deep Diver shine

[pine star]

yeah

As well as the defense boost it gives you in said areas

[cobalt pewter]

At least Deep Diver won't be stupid broken in 1.5, due to def nerf

Byeah

283 - Rev+ Destroyer fires his lasers on a timer like Astrum Deus to make the boss feel less random. - Done
2 suggs about this should be flagged then?
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

Lmao 1.5? More like the Feedzuh update

[cobalt pewter]

[sleek turret]

The Big Feedzuh update.

[tawny garden]

[pine star]