suggestions-discussion

[zealous ridge]

and moreso, how could we lock auric ore behind blossom?

It’s a minor point, yes

[sleek turret]

• cool weapons
• renowable materials
• money
• pre-hm Slurper Pole
• can get cool dude accesories exclusive to fishing.

[zealous ridge]

but this would make auric obtainable without pickaxe

[worthy lintel]

How is that a problem lol

[zealous ridge]

I didn’t say it really was, it is minor

[worthy lintel]

You need Yharon soul fragments either way

[zealous ridge]

I suppose it’s just worth mentioning

[worthy lintel]

Lack of pick is minor

[zealous ridge]

well yeah the ore only spawns after yharon anyways

I’d assume the crate drops auric only after yharon 2

it doesn’t affect tiering that was not the point I was really bringing up

I just meant, no blossom pick required

either way it’s inconsequential

I still think fishing isn’t great for an exclusive renewable source

I would gravitate towards an armored digger thing, but I feel like I’m circlejerking about that thing too much

[worthy lintel]

Locking stuff behind fishing is a no for me lol

It shouldn’t be enforced

[zealous ridge]

it wouldn’t really be a lock...?

[worthy lintel]

I mean as a way to make it renewable

[zealous ridge]

it’s just a secondary method, one I think is boring as the only renewable source

[worn blaze]

fishing rng is annoying even with potions and gear

[zealous ridge]

it’s not like it would even be that terrible

[unreal star]

yharon drops 20 auric ore

[zealous ridge]

Reminder that devourer of cods exists

just boring and reliant on rng

annoying rng, to be clear

[worthy lintel]

Now that I think about it, you could remove all ingredients from Auric besides the ore and Yharon souls fragments

Bar would be exactly the same lol

[zealous ridge]

that was also a suggestion

those are what lock it primarily

[worn blaze]

I find it actually fun to grind the materials for it though

feels rewarding

[zealous ridge]

for me it’s hardly a grind if I’m honest

I usually have everything, aside from things I can get from ravager very easily

[worn blaze]

yeah same I mostly have all of the materials on hand lmao

[zealous ridge]

mhm

Either way it doesn’t matter that much

[worthy lintel]

I still don’t get why it requires Galactica Singularities tho, Auric armor don’t even use Lunar armor in its recipe

[dapper violet]

“Oh, i need more auric tesla. Time to kill ravager ten times!”

[zealous ridge]

the cores I don’t think need to be there, as do the unholy essence, galactica, or really even the darksun

[worn blaze]

speaking of grinding, heart of the elements

[zealous ridge]

ascendant spirit and life alloy are a bit more understandable, I guess, but still extra mats

[worn blaze]

my god I had to kill cryogen like 40 times to get one relic

[zealous ridge]

that is rng for ya

[worthy lintel]

Life alloy is barely post-Golem

[zealous ridge]

fuck the stowns

[worthy lintel]

It’s a bloat component

[zealous ridge]

it’s used in stuff pretty far past post golem

But agreeable

I guess the idea is that theyres something special about it bc it’s the combo of the 3 hm ores

basically oblivion bars ala Avalon

[worn blaze]

how does the abyss look now? Might make a suggestion about adding a few sprites that I might make unless it's planned content or already in the game lmao

[worthy lintel]

It’s called Life Alloy but only one of the 3 bars is organic

[zealous ridge]

yea

that’s hardly like, a point against it

life alloy just is wacky

[clear smelt]

Here's a question: Does anyone know why we don't have as many class hybrid armor sets?

[cobalt pewter]

Because they don't exist yet

Though expect some armor sets to have helmet reductions in 1.5

Sparing the details, Godslayer, Silva and Reaver will have their helmet count cut

[clear smelt]

Well then

[zealous ridge]

nice

[clear smelt]

I was gonna suggest more helmets for hybrid classes like with Frost or Forbidden armor, but that answer was not what I expected

[zealous ridge]

~~ please add upgrades to post-plant class armors from sentinel drops pleaseeee~~

eh

I wouldn’t like that really

I think they’re fine without more helmets

[clear smelt]

Yeah

[zealous ridge]

fuck circlet

[clear smelt]

honestly I just liked the concept

[zealous ridge]

circlet you mean?

[terse sundial]

reaver armor got reworked for 1.5, so that's one less set to be concerned about

[zealous ridge]

Very nice

was on the way, with scoria and all

[worn blaze]

is that in the changelogs or wut cause I wanna see

[zealous ridge]

very soon, verstaltite will be molded into something great, something beautiful

[terse sundial]

Its full details are not public yet

unless termi already spoiled it

[worn blaze]

oh gotchu

[jovial spire]

Basically Reaver Armor's set bonus got swapped with Auric Tesla so people will stop complaining that Aureus is too hard now

[sharp prism]

[wary oasis]

I got a brilliant suggestion

[jovial spire]

And everybosdy uses fearmonger for scal anyways

[pine star]

[sharp prism]

who tf uses fear for scal

[wary oasis]

masochists

[jovial spire]

Apparently peopel do

[sharp prism]

fear for yharon yea

but scal no

[worn blaze]

YAY

aureus is way harder than ml for me lmao

[jovial spire]

Aureus has never been that hard imo

I honestly don't get it

[worn blaze]

I can beat ml pre aureus

lmao

and never bother with him

[sleek turret]

Aureus post-ML is uhh, waaay difficult, by a lot.

[jovial spire]

yeah he does alot of damage but his attack are super predictable

[sleek turret]

Can kill you in 2-3 hits.

[jovial spire]

Aureus post ML is no joke yeah

[worn blaze]

doesn't even compare to pre rust n dust

[jovial spire]

with his post ML buff he can straight 2 shot you

[sleek turret]

Although best technique I used on it is just uhh, get away from me.

[cobalt pewter]

Imagine fighting buffed bosses

This message was made by people who stocked up bags pre buff gang

[jovial spire]

but when he's mean to be fought, he's perfectly fine imo

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[sleek turret]

stocked bags

[worn blaze]

not for me for some reason lmao, I always use the lunar weps on ml instead of the terratomere

but then I never get the pre Scal version of it and it ends up shooting ke in the foot lmao

anyways this got way off topic lmao

oh nvm mixed up deus with aureus lmfaoooo

[radiant meadow]

I had not

[sharp prism]

ok buddy

[gusty geode]

Nothing against it directly but that latest sugg in voting is a textbook example of the "I was inconvenienced plz fix" kinda suggestion
Tbh idk why those kinds of suggs aren't discouraged at all
The entire game doesn't need to be spoon-fed to the player imo

[zenith hazel]

well, it's not guaranteed the suggestion will be implemented

but yes, I can see where you're coming from

[cobalt pewter]

I can agree about this sugg specifically

Especially from what I recall the amount of ores in the initial gen should be enough for one of everything

can we like, make Plasma Nades not consumable by the way, why is it consumable when it has auric bars in the recipe

and from what I can recall, this thing is the only damned thing consumable in the entire auric tier

[tawny garden]

way more than enough

[zenith hazel]

4 auric bars are enough to make 3996 grenades, which is the same amount you need for 1 auric weapon

if you chew through 3996 grenades that quickly then you might have a problem

[tawny garden]

nom

[cobalt pewter]

idk I use research mod but like if I'd attempt scal as stealth rogue with purely that thing, chances are I could possibly chew through it due to how I suck real bad

Either way, isn't plasma nade the only thing made out of auric that's consumable, no?

[zenith hazel]

3996 is more than enough for 1 scal fight

[dapper violet]

so that’s 4 bars every few attempts

[zealous ridge]

Yeah, I don’t really like plasma grenade being consumable

if I recall it’s not only one of the only consumable auric items

But it’s also like, one of the two consumable draedon weapons, period

[cobalt pewter]

I'm pretty sure

Plasma Nade is the only one consumable within arsenal

System Bane isn't consumable

[unreal viper]

Making it consumable is just kinda dumb ngl.

[zealous ridge]

which means, it doesn’t interact with charge

It makes me question why it’s a draedon weapon at all, if it doesn’t even feature the primary mechanic of draedon weapons

Yet, not being a draedon weapon would mean it would be even more like supernova, a point that is already easy to make considering they’re both bombs

[cobalt pewter]

It inherits the plasma type characteristic, those which deal more damage the higher the enemy's def

But that's about it tbh...,,,,.,.,

[zealous ridge]

that is not exactly the main feature I’d say

of course it’s something that’s shared across the plasma weapons

but it’s not really a mechanic as much as it is an interesting stat

like, it adds damage to high defense enemies

Not as much input as, say charging a weapon actively to keep it powerful

[cobalt pewter]

I forgot System Bane is technically a spiky ball

hnng

[zealous ridge]

indeed it is

I don’t recall it acting like one, either

but perhaps it’s just because I’ve not used it much

[dapper violet]

spiky balls are really weird

they’re like boomerangs but shit

[cobalt pewter]

It does behave like one somewhat

Idk

[zealous ridge]

plasma grenade could just not be consumable and it would be completely fine

i don’t see any reason why it should be consumable

[cobalt pewter]

Or, idk, rebrand Plasma Nade?

[zealous ridge]

you could rebrand

[cobalt pewter]

We already got Supernova at that point in there

Why do we need 2 bombs when we can expand on other types of rogue weapons

[zealous ridge]

Perhaps the argument could be made that it’s too similar to nova, yes

the issue is, I think...?

That it’s the last rogue subclass that isn’t touched on

but I think that’s a big wacky point

[dapper violet]

but it’s still a consumable made of a norenewable resource

[cobalt pewter]

For arsenal rogue

Tracking Disk is a boomerang
Frequency Manipulator is technically a javelin
System Bane is a spiky Ball
Wave Pounder is a bomb

[zealous ridge]

what would be left, misc?

[cobalt pewter]

We can probably go with non-consumable daggers on T5

[zealous ridge]

ah, dagger

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

And it can still be kept as plasma themed imo

[dapper violet]

i don’t see what’s so bad about having multiple bombs

supernova will still have its niche if plasma grenades are made non-consumable

[simple fog]

Little late here but I remember ozz saying about 70k auric ore is in a large world, or something at least of 20k

[zealous ridge]

yes, the amount is massive

[simple fog]

So I don't think renewable is an issue plus in a 15 player MP, we had more than enough auric ore for bars plus the fact that the new auric bar recipes takes 10 ore for 2 bars instead of 20

[zealous ridge]

I don’t think running out is really a realistic argument

[simple fog]

So you just doubled your stock

[zealous ridge]

but I think the fact that it’s consumable is still bad

[dapper violet]

but you will still have to go and mine more if you run out, which no other weapon requires

[zealous ridge]

even with the massive amount of auric ore, being consumable makes it not interact with charge, makes it different from every other Arsenal weapon for no reason, and just makes it annoying to get more

For the record, I think it’s entirely possible to run out of grenades

scal is not the only thing you do ever

yharon refights are common

And attempts on scal can make Grenade consumption inconsistent

That being said

[sand umbra]

don't forget DoG refights because you never have enough Cosmilite

[zealous ridge]

4000 is a lot

Uh, yes but I don’t think plasma needs cosmilite

was that just a separate point?

Oh you mean for grinding

yea that’s true

[sand umbra]

byeah

[zealous ridge]

Ravager as well

[cobalt pewter]

God I kinda wanna sugg Plasma Grenade rebrand into a new thing, probably daggers

bfjfkifcoc

[sand umbra]

Ravager, DoG, the seasonal moons, potentially the Darksun Eclipse

[zealous ridge]

yuh huh

acid rain omegalul

[sand umbra]

sometimes Polter (or just general Dungeon farming) for Phantoplasm

[jovial spire]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/405919380447297536/780908616445853748

[gusty geode]

Nani

[sand umbra]

new biome?

[jovial spire]

cosmolite will eventually be mined so

[dapper violet]

[gusty geode]

Did that Cosmolite Meteor I suggested a long-ass time ago actually make it

[sand umbra]

but will you have enough of it for building and for the 500 late-game crafts that require it

Cosmilite brick and related furniture is the big pog

[zealous ridge]

mini biome in space plz

[jovial spire]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/415575731574276106/772737907337330708

eventually™️

[zealous ridge]

Fucking three of them

[jovial spire]

there will be more biomes

[zealous ridge]

amazing

[sand umbra]

this is very intriguing information

[dapper violet]

3???

Where are they going to go?

[zealous ridge]

I’m almost certain one of those is profaned

[jovial spire]

You'll find out when they're added

[dapper violet]

space biome space biome

[sand umbra]

time to
to wait 22 Fargo years for the introduction of these biomes

[gusty geode]

Profaned biome, Cosmolite biome and Yharim base biome are my guesses

[jovial spire]

there's already planetiods

and the evil island

[dapper violet]

hell is going to freeze over

[jovial spire]

what room would there be for more stuff in space

[sand umbra]

evil island

[zealous ridge]

w/e it’s fine

[pine star]

Evil Island
Or Vampire Knives Acquirement Area

[zealous ridge]

The point still stands, right now there’s far more to do than just kill scal in endgame

[jovial spire]

they'll be more psot ml exploration stuff eventually so

thank god

[zealous ridge]

mhm

[sand umbra]

le poggere

[gusty geode]

Still think it should be replaced with one or more evil planetoids
Maybe tiny ones that have Shadow Orbs/Crimson Hearts in them to provide access to the entirety of both loot tables without the need to add a bunch of recipes

[zealous ridge]

very fun

[sand umbra]

squid please

[zealous ridge]

[gusty geode]

Only suggesting going that way cuz the argument that we don't need full access to both biomes is just
Objectively wrong

[sand umbra]

are you sure about that

[jovial spire]

how is it objectivly wrong

[sand umbra]

because I can and will explain to you in great detail why that's not the case

[jovial spire]

if anything i wish the 2 biomes had more unique things about them

[cerulean estuary]

isn't the entire point of two biomes being you choose which loot you want

[jovial spire]

and that they were totally seperate

[zealous ridge]

honestly

[jovial spire]

with unique loot pools and mobs

[simple fog]

cosmilite ore? That sounds neat

[cerulean estuary]

making both easily obtainable invalidates the point of 2 evil biomes

[zealous ridge]

why is leather a CORRUPTION ITEM

the movie

[jovial spire]

it's not

it's in both

[zealous ridge]

not in calamity, yeah

[sand umbra]

in vanilla it's Corruption-exclusive

[jovial spire]

wait

[sand umbra]

nobody knows why

[jovial spire]

leather is in vannila???

[sand umbra]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

yes

[cerulean estuary]

lmao

ye

[sand umbra]

you probably only play Crimson so you never knew it existed

[jovial spire]

indeed

[zealous ridge]

YOU DIDNT KNOW THIS CELEST

[sand umbra]

because it is impossible to get Leather in a Crimson-only world

[zealous ridge]

Awesome and understandable

[jovial spire]

in vannila i usually go crimson

[cerulean estuary]

isn't leather only used in like

[sand umbra]

it's stupid and I hate it

[cerulean estuary]

one thing

that's useless

[sand umbra]

in vanilla, yes

but in modded it gains all sorts of uses

[gusty geode]

That's what I've been saying
Having access to both is pointless
But it happened anyway probably for no other reasons than "can't not have Ichor" and that one Exo-weapon that uses materials from both

[jovial spire]

also to be fair ive done like, 4 vannila playthroughs and have like 250 hours in vannila

[radiant meadow]

vivid is a funny

[jovial spire]

and ive done countless cal palythroughs and have over 2000 horus in cal alone

[pine star]

which exo weapon is that?

[radiant meadow]

vivid clarity

[jovial spire]

so i mena you cant blame me for being able to really remember whats vannila and whats not by now

[sand umbra]

VClarity iirc

[pine star]

oh

[radiant meadow]

actually

doesn't it use everglade spray?

which only needs 1 evil tome

[simple fog]

Leather is vanilla but it's used for 1 craft: the archaeologist hat

[ashen warren]

isn't the hat dropped by the jungle mob

[cerulean estuary]

everglade only needs one evil tome

[simple fog]

Indeed, by dr bones too

[ashen warren]

Dr. Bones or whatever

[simple fog]

You realize this is vanilla

[ashen warren]

indeed

[radiant meadow]

no, everglade spray was removed

[cerulean estuary]

despite me making both and getting really annoyed when I found out

[sand umbra]

Liquidator just takes Cursed Flames OR Ichor

[radiant meadow]

liquidator instead uses a recipe group

[sand umbra]

so it doesn't need both actually

pog

[cerulean estuary]

yeah I don't think anything needs both evils

[sand umbra]

yeah nothing strictly requires both evils

it's just that people like having both evils for literally no reason other than Worm Scarf + Vamp Knives combo pack

and by Worm Scarf I mean Bloody Worm Scarf

[radiant meadow]

although there's a handful of evil exclusive weapons that seemingly have no counterpart, cursed capper, soul harvester, and nanoblack reaper

[cerulean estuary]

worm scarf and friends

[simple fog]

cursed capper is weird

[radiant meadow]

nanoblack reaper being a corruption weapon is a funny

[simple fog]

It just exists and is used in a couple gun crafts, that's it

[radiant meadow]

(yes, I know scal drops it)

[sleek girder]

it is still funny either way

[simple fog]

Ben did you know nanoblack drops from scal so you can get it in a crimson world

[sand umbra]

what even is Soul Harvester

[zealous ridge]

There’s also ichor spear, spear of destiny

[simple fog]

upgrade to death sickle

[sand umbra]

I mean I know what it is technically but

[radiant meadow]

funny plague scythe

[zealous ridge]

soul harvester is wacky

[pine star]

why does soul harvester require cursed flames?

[sand umbra]

why is it

[zealous ridge]

yea idk why it needs flames

[cerulean estuary]

me pulling up the wiki because I forgot half of these

[sand umbra]

why does it take Cursed Flames specifically

[radiant meadow]

because it inflicts cursed inferno of course

[simple fog]

Well since it's green it takes cursed inferno

[radiant meadow]

I think

[zealous ridge]

fucking meld constructs

[sand umbra]

well shit

[simple fog]

I like my reason better TK

[zealous ridge]

MELD CONSTRUCT

[sand umbra]

why doesn't all the Meld stuff take Cursed Flames then

[zealous ridge]

the weapons still inflict cursed flame

[sand umbra]

or is that massive meme no longer a thing

[radiant meadow]

I take it back

[simple fog]

It's a meme

[radiant meadow]

why the fuck does it inflict On Fire

[pine star]

That meme is no longer a thing

[simple fog]

what

[sand umbra]

wait what

hol up

[simple fog]

Is that a typo

[gusty geode]

Apparently Ultra Liquidator inflicts both Cursed Flames and Ichor
Despite them not being able to be inflicted together iirc
Plus it inflicts Ichor for longer than CF

[radiant meadow]

Soul Harvester inflicts On Fire and Plague

[zealous ridge]

yea it inflicts on fire too

[sand umbra]

BRUH

[simple fog]

wrong type of fire btw

[sand umbra]

A POST-GOLEM WEAPON INFLICTING ON FIRE

that's too fucking good holy shit

[zealous ridge]

It’s also not even has red in it

[pine star]

Hydrothermic Armor would like to talk to you

[radiant meadow]

tbf, like half the scoria set inflicts on fire

[pine star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/640333500230402050.gif?v=1

[radiant meadow]

but

at least it's thematic

[sand umbra]

and I think that should be changed because On Fire! is the worst debuff in the game

[radiant meadow]

props to doggo drops inflicting on fire too!

[simple fog]

Thomas really forgetting about the wet debuff

[zealous ridge]

they inflict frost burn I thought but yea

[radiant meadow]

they do both

[zealous ridge]

damn nice

[sand umbra]

wet isn't a debuff it's a neutral status effect

[radiant meadow]

don't remember if any yharon drops inflict on fire though or if just daybroken

[sand umbra]

and yeah DoG drops proc On Fire! and Frostburn

[zealous ridge]

it’s daybroken

[sand umbra]

(both of these suck post-DoG)

[radiant meadow]

and fairly sure blushie staff still inflicts on fire and frostburn

[tawny garden]

It's a dev weapon so

[pine star]

[radiant meadow]

I mean something trivial like debuffs can be changed tbh, unless it's like a controlling aspect of the weapon

like a sugg to make blushie staff inflict a better debuff is probably okay

removing Shred from Soma Prime prob not gonna fly

[sand umbra]

I don't think On Fire! and Frostburn are particularly important to the function of Blushie Staff, yeah

[pine star]

yeah

[radiant meadow]

draconic destruction used to inflict on fire but it got an upgrade to daybroken at one point

[zealous ridge]

Oh yea and tome of fates still has brimstone tentacle

[dapper violet]

on fire is not even a good debuff in pre hardmode, why the fuck is it on a post-golem weapon

[pine star]

to be fair to tome of fates, that tentacle also does much more base damage

[zealous ridge]

there is hellfire now

yes but it’s not fitting

At all

it really wasn’t before

but now even less so

[pine star]

yeah

[sleek girder]

are there auric slimes? honestly i think auric slimes are the way to have renewable ore

all the others have slimes

why not auric

only up to bloom slimes

[simple fog]

There's more than enough auric ore int he world, auric slimes don't need to happen I believe

[simple fog]

why did it have on fire!.... :/

[sleek girder]

because on fire is the best debuff...?

[simple fog]

You realize on fire! in BR is the same as tickling the boss right

[pine star]

Some bosses need to be tickled

[sleek girder]

then just use the water gun or something

[dapper violet]

Isn’t every late game boss immune to on fire anyways?

[sleek turret]

hmm yeah

scal as in example is immune to everything except ichor, cursed flames, shellfish staff debuff and rage debuff caused by shadowflame armor bonus effect.

[simple fog]

All bosses are susceptible to enraged debuff

[dapper violet]

it will never cease to be be funny that most every boss is immune to all the wacky flame debuffs, but not piss and clams

[radiant meadow]

Because it is a really old dev weapon

From way before Boss Rush even existed

[simple fog]

Oh? that's neat

[wary oasis]

which one?

[radiant meadow]

draconic destruction

like 75% of the dev weapons are super old

newer ones are endo, umbrella, flamsteed, psc, nanoblack, scarlet devil

[ashen warren]

eternity

[simple fog]

my dev weapon coming never

[ashen warren]

forgetting the coolest one smh..

[simple fog]

I have a great idea for a dev weapon that'll never get added

[radiant meadow]

yeah, eternity exists too, right

the rest are all really old though

[wary oasis]

oh yea

thats old

whats the oldest dev weapon?

[radiant meadow]

irrelevant to suggestions iirc

[ancient crow]

all the scal drops are technically dev weapons, so i'd say one of those

[tawny garden]

There's one post SCal weapon that isn't dedicated

[sleek girder]

?

[tawny garden]

I forget which one because it's a sword and there are way to many of these in calamity

[sleek turret]

Vehemence?

[whole sedge]

vehemence p sure

[sleek girder]

Elemental Excalibur

that one

[tawny garden]

Ah hm

[whole sedge]

ah yeah that exists

[tawny garden]

There are 2 then

[radiant meadow]

(Reminder that this is still suggestions though)

[tawny garden]

Really? Didn't know

[glass sentinel]

i have my qualms about this last sugg

a single phase repeated over and over again during guardians will make the fight worse

[golden narwhal]

O, first time I saw that, I thought it meant an entirely separate phase where guardians do their own thing

[glass sentinel]

same

but upon reading it

infinite BH

infinite spear spam

infinite lasers

[golden narwhal]

This would just get repetitive, boring, drags out that phase, etc etc and so forth

[glass sentinel]

and there would be sooooo much more complaining

[cerulean estuary]

I kinda like the no cocoon phase while guardians are out, but only one attack constantly is terrible

[zealous ridge]

can i be reminded what people are frustrated about regarding providence

I remember the holy inferno issues, that was a discussion a little bit ago

Do guardians also make the fight worse

[golden narwhal]

Yea

The charging ones either do nothing or overly complicate the BH phases

[zealous ridge]

Bh for bullet hell?

[golden narwhal]

Ye

[zealous ridge]

I recall one suggestion

It was about making the guardians just give buffs to providence instead of attacking directly

[glass sentinel]

i saw that

that was decent

[golden narwhal]

That was mine

[glass sentinel]

oh then

[zealous ridge]

Healer already does this, I think defense has something like that as well with a dr boost

[glass sentinel]

it was absolute shit

[zealous ridge]

: (

[golden narwhal]

[glass sentinel]

ha

if the defence and attack guardians werent pricks

[zealous ridge]

Attack and defense have attacks, yea

If I recall defense has the spear spread and attack has the spears and charges you

Can also do the bombs below half health

[glass sentinel]

thats only in their own fight

in the provi fight they just charge at you and be assholes

[zealous ridge]

Damn really

I thought I remembered them doing spear spreads

Was that a change that was more recent, or was it always that they never did spear spread

[golden narwhal]

Spear spread in the provi fight was removed a bit ago, yea

[zealous ridge]

alright

At the very least that’s out

what I’m thinking right now is defense takes 50% of the damage providence takes and can absorb some projectiles, and the guardian just kind of hovers around the top of providence

and attack... could make holy flames more dangerous when alive?

like, the debuff

[crude geode]

2 leather and ten evil powder is not difficult to get @craggy pilot , especially since you naturally are getting evil powder due to it being required for other recipes.

[craggy pilot]

yeah but personally I'd just perfer to be able to buy tons of them and just store them away instead of having to grind for vertebrae i usually don't have on hand or craft them one by one

most summon recipes are easy to craft but are still sold by NPCs

so its weird that this one isnt tbh

[crude geode]

Focus on that instead.

In your suggestion.

And cut down a lot of your reasoning, because it’s a pretty big wall of text rn

[zealous ridge]

wait, what would evil powder be used for at this point?

theres uhh

the boss summons for eow and boc

[crude geode]

Evil essence got removed and replaced by evil powder in recipes

[cobalt pewter]

Evil flask accs

[zealous ridge]

okay, the flasks

[crude geode]

Blood relic

[hot zephyr]

Who the hell RUNS OUT OF VOODOO DOLLS @civic notch

[zealous ridge]

arent those pre hardmode as well, or was that before

ah yeah, blood relic

thats a good example

[crude geode]

the many things the evil essences were used for, before they got replaced by evil powder

[zealous ridge]

you mean like 3 things

because thats all i remember

[crude geode]

you are in fact correct, I recall them being used for more than they were~

[cobalt pewter]

Evil flask accs, blood relic, guide voodoo doll, ehhh

[zealous ridge]

nothing else

there was nothing else listed here on wiki

[novel belfry]

those who use fargos to summon wof

[zealous ridge]

like, mutant?

[novel belfry]

example: myself

[cobalt pewter]

Or idk

[crude geode]

Fargo’s cringe

[zealous ridge]

wouldnt... mutant sell the summoning item then?

[cobalt pewter]

Current voodoo demon spawnrate?

[novel belfry]

well, there's a ton of voodoo demons just spawning

[zealous ridge]

thats still current?

[hot zephyr]

Literally Lime had an inventory full after building a hellbridge in our world

[zealous ridge]

god damn

[civic notch]

Dude holy fucking shit

There are SO MANY

[novel belfry]

so i'm taking advantage of that to get voodoo dolls

[cobalt pewter]

Next patch the spawns will be fixed ye

[zealous ridge]

fuck, im surprised

[hollow shell]

Isn't the current Voodoo spawnrate like really high?

[civic notch]

"infamously annoying to get"

[cobalt pewter]

Ye

[zealous ridge]

yes its fuck insane

like too too high

[hollow shell]

Wondering if the guy makin this sugg has played the most recent update

@craggy pilot

[civic notch]

yeah its infamously annoying to get, but not in that way

[zealous ridge]

to be fair this was a "relatively speaking" recent change

which was an unintended effect as well

[cobalt pewter]

God

[hollow shell]

('most recent' being, updated in the past month or two)

[craggy pilot]

maybe im just horribly unlucky lol

[zealous ridge]

yeah, thats about it

damn you would be if youre not getting any voodoo demons

[crude geode]

How™️

[craggy pilot]

but i always end up throwing them away because i find so many and then can never find voodoo demons again after

[zealous ridge]

right now, in current update

[craggy pilot]

like ill sit in hell and wait for like 10 minutes and find like

4

[zealous ridge]

thats still pretty crazy honestly

[hollow shell]

It is indeed annoying to stockpile them considering they don't stack

[zealous ridge]

that would be a nice change

but at the same time

stacking them would be wacky

[crude geode]

?

[zealous ridge]

just with, how they work as a summoning item

[hollow shell]

I assumed it wasn't stackable because they were equippable
but dyes can be stacked

The real annoyance would prolly be how they're disposed of to summon WoF yeah

[zealous ridge]

that as well, equippable

[crude geode]

Just make it so they stack to something small like 5

[hollow shell]

No

If you're gonna make them stack at all, make it 99 or 999

[zealous ridge]

that doesnt fix much imo

[hollow shell]

Otherwise you have a RE Ammo problem

[zealous ridge]

at least, 20

[crude geode]

True

[zealous ridge]

because that was normal for other summons iirc

[crude geode]

that’s a different thing entirely

[zealous ridge]

bc isnt 20 the default for vanilla? idk if cal changes those stack counts

[crude geode]

Cal sometimes does iirc. It’s quirky

[zealous ridge]

is it a "cal summon items only thing"

that sounds like something that would be done tbh

[crude geode]

Ranged is a physical class
@cobalt pewter ?

[zealous ridge]

yo, actually

id be okay with rogue getting flask compat axed

because now summoner(tm) has that

[crude geode]

flasks are dumb anyways

[cobalt pewter]

I'd say a bridgeway between physical and magical for ranged

[hollow shell]

I am fine with rogue having flasks shared with melee

[zealous ridge]

i guess flasks dont have to be class specific, in any case

[simple fog]

Oh boy another feedzuh

Poggere

[zealous ridge]

but flasks just suck lmao

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

death

[simple fog]

I think class shared flasks are okay

I don’t see why a separation is needed tbh

[zealous ridge]

the argument could be made that theyre kind of melee's form of inflicting debuffs outside of individual weapons

and having them apply to rogue comes off as lazy, in a way

but again, summoner whips come to deny that truth

and regardless its not that important anyways

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not saying I inherently hate it to 7th depths of hell, just I find it that rogue can get a unique way of applying debuff since I can see it shaping a bit to be more of a standalone class that isn't an amalgam of melee and ranged

Because that's what throwing is in an essence

[crude geode]

This is a really stupid argument for flasks’ existence tbfh. Mage has to swap to a different weapon to apply ichor, and ranged has to give up a bullet, but melee just gets to drink a pot and not have to worry about applying ichor.

[zealous ridge]

ranger has bullet, melee has flasks, mage has spells that are meant for debuffing, and summoner also has flasks now i guess

[cobalt pewter]

make flasks only apply on true melee hits

[zealous ridge]

flask's existence?

[cobalt pewter]

And yeah, with whips, it'd be 3 things flask can affect

[zealous ridge]

i wasnt arguing that, really

[cobalt pewter]

But that's 1.4

[crude geode]

I’m arguing against flasks, because you don’t really see any Cal flasks like god slayer inferno, do you? Bc it ruins the unique nature of weapons that apply said debuff.

[zealous ridge]

well thats fair

that wasnt my point specifically though

i was responding to lauren, about rogue compat with flasks

there are cal flasks, as well

[craggy stratus]

oiled flask

[zealous ridge]

abyssal brew comes to mind as something similar enough

but it has other traits

(i still think its quite silly)

[crude geode]

Abyssal brew is really dumb, as are all flasks.

[zealous ridge]

flasks are lazy, is the idea

they are just "debuff"

for melee weapon

which is the most hit or miss thing fucking ever

because its either going to be fucking terrible, like on fire, poison, fucking nano

[cobalt pewter]

Melee™ getting all the love I guess

[crude geode]

Without any of the work of Magic’s specific weapons or ranged’s ammunition.

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

or its gonna be stupid not to use it, like ichor, cursed inferno in calamity

[crude geode]

Personally I wouldn’t mind flasks being removed tbfh, or being changed to only work with specific weapon types.

Like spears

[cobalt pewter]

True melee flasks

[zealous ridge]

i dont want them affecting rogue, i want rogue to have their own thing really

true melee only flasks would be okay, at least theyre not super free

but still pretty... boring

[crude geode]

Golden Gun breaks all arguments here, but golden gun is stupid anyways and should just be a summoner thing

[cobalt pewter]

Plus It'd make more sense to true melee the flasks, considering you're pouring that shit all over your sword

[zealous ridge]

golden gun is fucking dumb

[cobalt pewter]

But idk how the flasks actually work

[zealous ridge]

literally remove it

[crude geode]

just make it only usable if you have like 5 summon slots

[zealous ridge]

okay sorry i didnt mean to come of as that mean

[cobalt pewter]

I doubt they'd remove flasks, so like

[zealous ridge]

but i dont like golden gun

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe suggest making it true melee instead? Not as free, but you get the idea

[zealous ridge]

golden gun is a gun, but you need summon slots now

terribleness

the thing is, i cant exactly suggest that specifically

because right now, rogue is affected by flasks, which is an entirely different debate and suggestion

suggesting that only true melee apply flask debuffs would effectively have to be included with removing flask effects from rogue weapons

[crude geode]

~~Make flasks only affect stealth strikes ~~

[zealous ridge]

eughhh

stop doing this flask thingggg

actually just make them their own thing

if youre going to have something affect stealth strikes via a buff, do not make it flasks

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly? Giving cursed flame / ichor on stealth strikes to filthy / bloodstained glove and their upgrades sound a bit interesting

[zealous ridge]

maybe

but thats a bit of a different discussion

[cobalt pewter]

Mhm

[zealous ridge]

and if thats really something that wants to be kept (ichor/ci infliction with any rogue weapon) then that can be how its implemented

[crude geode]

Frankly I feel as though flasks are just really really bad.

In their design

[zealous ridge]

thats because they really are

debuffs mean almost nothing, in most circumstances

[cobalt pewter]

Aside from the 2 meta ones

[zealous ridge]

1.4 helps with damage buffs to dots of course

[crude geode]

thank you vanilla
I think that’s because there is so many ways to apply them for free.

[zealous ridge]

and its funny because the two meta ones Dont fucking do damage

ichor and...

[crude geode]

cursed inferno

[zealous ridge]

wait whats the other one youre talking bout

oh well, in the context of vanilla i mean

in cal i guess those would be the two big meta ones

[cobalt pewter]

Speaking of debuffs, can we get like, more interesting debuffs like Crush Depth?

[pine star]

yeah we should

[zealous ridge]

this is becoming unfocused, but yes, actually make debuffs good

[crude geode]

That would require every weapon in existence to not apply every debuff in existence for no particular reason

[zealous ridge]

which should be a thing anyways

[cobalt pewter]

Mythril Knife stealth momentum

[pine star]

That said, they are early hardmode

[zealous ridge]

fuck, yeah, what debuff does mythril knife inflict

i remember it being stupid

[pine star]

Most. Of. Them.

[cobalt pewter]

!wiki Mythril Knife

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Mythril_Knife

[crude geode]

mythril knife does dummy debuffs

[zealous ridge]

what the fuck

[cobalt pewter]

Performing a stealth strike with Mythril Knives will cause the knife to apply a variety of debuffs for 5 seconds. These include Cursed Inferno, Venom, Armor Crunch, Irradiated, and God Slayer Inferno. On enemies, these combined debuffs cause the target to lose 147 health per second, 20% damage reduction, and 25 defense.

[crude geode]

Yeah

Funny, ain’t it?

[cobalt pewter]

Even more funny that the base weapon does jack

[novel belfry]

yeah, its the debuffs that need buffing

[cobalt pewter]

Then here goes the stealth

[novel belfry]

tbh

[zealous ridge]

wow when we asked for stealth strikes on the ore weapons this was not what i was expecting

[pine star]

Hey, at least the stealth strike is pretty strong

[zealous ridge]

it looks like it would be

[novel belfry]

they do too little damage to be worth using

[pine star]

Something you would at least tolerate, Feedza

[cobalt pewter]

Adamantite Throwing Axe momentum lmoa

[pine star]

adamantite is adamantite

[cobalt pewter]

I never used Mythril knife before.

Maybe this run

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

Along with Palla Javelin, Titan Shuriken, Ori Gemstone and Cobalt Kunai

[crude geode]

every time I'm reminded of how many viable, supported melee weapons there are for each tier, my desire to suggest a thanos snap for them grows

[cobalt pewter]

no thanos snap in the neighborhood

[pine star]

haha yes

[zealous ridge]

something very hard to pass, id imagine

[pine star]

That said, at least for auric tier, I can only think of snapping 4 of 9

[unreal viper]

feedzuh, I don't see how it matters

[pine star]

(aotc,gael's,ataraxia,phaseslayer)

[cobalt pewter]

The rogue flask thing?

[unreal viper]

yes

[crude geode]

Melee gets 3 weapons crafted from Cosmilite. Just from cosmilite bars and a seasonal energy from the moons. Not counting the actual weapons for cosmilite tier, which is even more absurd. Summoner doesn't even get a weapon from Cosmilite alone.

[pine star]

Enforcer, Smasher, and what was the last one?

[crude geode]

nono

[zealous ridge]

flayer

and steam goughe

[cobalt pewter]

It doesn't matter much in real-time gameplay sense, maybe. But it's more on building rogue's identity

[pine star]

At least Enforcer is getting changed quite a bit

[crude geode]

enforcer, flayer, and stream gouge

[pine star]

oh

[unreal viper]

i don't think it matterd in that way

[crude geode]

Tbfh, change the weapons all you'd like to try to make them unique, it doesn't change the fact that there is too many.

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[pine star]

i guess so

[crude geode]

There's only so much to do with a melee weapon, and the instinct seems to be to go to projectiles almost instantly.

[pine star]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

it still seems hard as fuck to get voted

[crude geode]

You're damn fuckin right.

[zealous ridge]

lmao im sure you've tried, then

[unreal viper]

I don't see how changing how rogue inflicts debuffs would help build a class identity.

[crude geode]

No, I'm just aware of the fact that people like melee way too much, including the owner of the mod.

even though the class as it currently is is more flawed than rogue sometimes.

[unreal viper]

I guess it would have less things in common with melee then.

[cobalt pewter]

Because it shares a lot of stuff with melee?

[pine star]

Someone said that the main problem with melee is Terraria itself

[unreal viper]

But stuff like buffs really doesn't, or at least shouldn't define class identity.

[pine star]

Where melee kinda needs projectiles to even hit bosses without risking death

[unreal viper]

the problem is the bosses

there are bosses that are fair for true melee

like vanilla queen bee and skeletron

[cobalt pewter]

I'd probably call that bullshit for cal. Most bosses are doable on true melee cal

[unreal viper]

doable doesn't mean fair

[foggy plover]

no they arent lmao

[cobalt pewter]

[foggy plover]

the only time they are is when cal gives you a sword thats WAY to fucking big

which is like, why not just make it projectiles

[crude geode]

Except this is a mod, where things can be actively changed to make things fair for more fair for actual melee and and not beam sword, like with what has been happening.

[pine star]

i.e. anime swords

[foggy plover]

cough murasama

[unreal viper]

true melee works in calamity because melting memes form what I know

[foggy plover]

yes

and facetank

[hot zephyr]

tfw Murasama has more range then some mage and ranger weps

[foggy plover]

it is not, and never will be a viable option in terraria

it wasnt viable in 1.0

[pine star]

That said, reworking every boss to allow true melee to function properly can't be done in the form of a sugg

Shamefully

[foggy plover]

its exponentially worse in 1.4

[unreal viper]

Did 1.0 have waffle?

[foggy plover]

no

[crude geode]

pretty much yeah

[unreal viper]

Skeletron works very well as true melee so idk what the problem would be.

[cobalt pewter]

I can never be tired of saying it but fuck Red tbh.

[unreal viper]

I guess the issue is

[crude geode]

which means that Melee™️, aka mage and ranged weapons slapped onto swords and other "melee" weapons, is what is actively paid attention to.

[unreal viper]

I am tired of it.

[cobalt pewter]

phm arguably is a lot more friendly to true melee

[unreal viper]

How do you make bosses hard while accomidating for true melee?

[pine star]

a small question: would flails and yoyos count as melee™️?

[zealous ridge]

contact damage is one big fucking thing

[cobalt pewter]

Skelly, wof (with moonwalk memes), queen bee to an extent

[foggy plover]

true melee phm was only enjoyable for me because I used obsidian swordfish memes

[unreal viper]

Expert queen bee and skeletron, while being very fun aren't very hard.

[crude geode]

You do what has been done with dashing bosses, change them while you're holding a true melee weapon.

[zealous ridge]

everything inflicts contact damage which makes true melee is terrible

[crude geode]

It's literally been done.

[zealous ridge]

i dislike that solution immensely

because true melee now has utility for a class that isnt melee, and its because youre holding something

it is so dumb

[pine star]

It very well could be a necessary evil

[crude geode]

^

Summoner cough cough.

[unreal viper]

I think that solution is clumsy, and nayway it really doesn't do close to enough,

[zealous ridge]

i dont think its nessecary at all

nowhere near

[pine star]

And a much more necessary evil than melee™️ is

[foggy plover]

changing entire bosses to make a subclass viable 🥺

[crude geode]

For a subclass, it's gotten a shrine accessory, an entire lore item, and many changelogs to make it more viable.

[unreal viper]

reworking mage for no reason

[crude geode]

[zealous ridge]

there are far better ways to encourage getting up close for melee, and making you holding a weapon just make the boss say "oh well fuck hes playing special class guess i need to dial it back"

[hot zephyr]

red is the Boogeyman scapegoat of the Terraria community

[crude geode]

^

[zealous ridge]

yes, thats kind of not a discussion for here anyways

[foggy plover]

I dont agree with the true melee changes cal makes, and I like true melee

[elder mist]

lmao true melee

[zealous ridge]

fumny

[cobalt pewter]

Ein in sugg talk (real)

[hot zephyr]

true melee is fun in phm

[unreal viper]

acute observation ein

[elder mist]

true melee is fun when the boss doesn't have to be changed for it to be viable

(see also: providence)

[zealous ridge]

providence somewhat, i guess

[foggy plover]

provi was one of the few fun ones

dog was pretty fun

[zealous ridge]

because she has no contact damage

[crude geode]

Frankly, I don't see why literally every boss has to have contact damage tbfh.

[elder mist]

precisely

[zealous ridge]

that is what im getting at, yeah

a lot of bosses dont need to have contact damage that do

[cobalt pewter]

Rev+ Skelly doesn't have contact dmg on head while hands are alive

So yeah

[elder mist]

she never had contact damage even before the true melee purists were like mAkE tRuE mElEe vIaBlE

[pine star]

he doesn't? never knew that

[zealous ridge]

because that would have been so bad actually

[crude geode]

At least constantly, I can understand signus dealing contact damage while dashing, but when it's just hanging out? it's just kinda cringe.

[zealous ridge]

shes a massive as fuck sprite

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah found that out recently when doing stealth rogue vs skelly

[pine star]

oh

[elder mist]

yea

[pine star]

Interesting

[cobalt pewter]

The head doesn't deal contact while hands are alive

[elder mist]

and she flies very close above you so it'd be easy to get hit by contact from her

[cobalt pewter]

On rev+ (death for me)

[elder mist]

i had fun true meleeing provi and dog fo' sho

i had fun with the hour and a half scal true melee fight too

[zealous ridge]

dog is at least more predictable

[elder mist]

bc thats how it shoulda always stayed

to show that scal is not a boss for true melee

[zealous ridge]

you can kite him in some ways because of how his ai works

[foggy plover]

(and doesnt have to be)

[pine star]

DID I JUST HEAR 90 MINUTES LONG?

[unreal viper]

DoG is kinda a wimp.

yeah

[zealous ridge]

mhm

[elder mist]

yea chill

[pine star]

oh

I just couldn't believe my eyes

[elder mist]

[foggy plover]

I don't feel like it's worth the time and effort to even try to make true melee viable in a game it was NEVER viable in

and its out of the scope of suggestions anyways

[crude geode]

Indeed

[cobalt pewter]

Back to Terraria's fault, and thus, Red

[zealous ridge]

very fair

[pine star]

ThomasthePencil: you underestimate my power

[cobalt pewter]

God I love blaming him

[unreal viper]

blame red

[cobalt pewter]

But ig ye

[unreal viper]

blame red for your own powerlessness

and failiures

[pine star]

[foggy plover]

im not blaming red, im blaming cal for making true melee a concept in general

[elder mist]

you can't even blame red for true melee not being viable

[zealous ridge]

(still dont think its fair to blame red specifically, after all grox is the one who designed the worst boss ever: queen slime)

[cobalt pewter]

Cal isn't designed to actually redo every single shit on vanilla unlike DD

[elder mist]

yeah

[crude geode]

But I don't think Melee™️ should be the face of melee, as it means things like AoTC are recognized more than anything else.

[foggy plover]

nobody cared about true melee before cal

[cobalt pewter]

?

[elder mist]

true melee in vanilla is mostly a niche thing

like at best it's something you'll think about when fighting destroyer if you're melee class

[zealous ridge]

i think people cared, just not as much really

[crude geode]

^

[zealous ridge]

like it wasnt a massive point

[unreal viper]

I used true melee in vanilla, but not really on purpose.

[foggy plover]

sneak in a hit with your projectile sword for some extra damage? sure

but not an entire class

[zealous ridge]

but it was made far larger as calamity began offering ways to give "true melee" a better standing

[elder mist]

people won't go "man can't wait to use bone sword over this trash ice sword"

yanno

[cobalt pewter]

I already has a good foundation to build on true melee even before I ever known mods exist

Byeah

[zealous ridge]

there are ways to make it work, it does not have to be the "true" way to play melee

in that way the name of true melee is highly misleading

[unreal viper]

I think.

[zealous ridge]

it implies its the best, or most effective

[pine star]

That said, melee implies close range

[zealous ridge]

or at least should be

[cobalt pewter]

Melee is melee, melee range

[unreal viper]

Focusing on flails, and stuff like solar eruption.

[cobalt pewter]

Close

[unreal viper]

Is the most effective way,'

[crude geode]

Frankly, I just think Melee™️ is garbage and shouldn't be the most prominent thing in Calamity.

[pine star]

yoyos as well?

[cobalt pewter]

Yoyos are

Odd

[unreal viper]

Yoyos too.

[crude geode]

Yoyo bag cringe.

[unreal viper]

Midrange stuff.

[pine star]

I really like yoyos

[foggy plover]

yoyos are an interesting concept but

[unreal viper]

1.4 flails are great.

[foggy plover]

theyre weird

[pine star]

yeah

[crude geode]

yoyos are cool, but red was like double their dps

[cobalt pewter]

The concept was really undermined in vanilla

[elder mist]

yoyos are pretty strong early game

[cobalt pewter]

And cal yoyos are only projectiles

[simple fog]

Shivs are alright

[cobalt pewter]

Save for few outliers

[elder mist]

because the alternative is boomerangs (which are pretty terrible)

or... true melee broadswords

[zealous ridge]

i dislike shortswords lol

but okay

[unreal viper]

blade of grass is gamer

[foggy plover]

boomerangs used to be the only viable options

[crude geode]

Shortswords are just projectile spam.

[unreal viper]

I don't like shortswords much

they feel bad in 1.3

[elder mist]

lmao yea

[unreal viper]

inferior spear in 1,4

[cobalt pewter]

Sulphurous Grabber is an actually interesting yoyo that cal yoyos should be built on imo

[zealous ridge]

boomerangs could be cool, but theyre wacky the later you get into the game

[elder mist]

when boomerangs, which are bad, were the only viable options

yikes

[foggy plover]

thorn chakram -> flamarang -> light disk

you win

[crude geode]

Boomerangs get yeeted soon enough anyways

[elder mist]

red loves every class equally.

[zealous ridge]

death

[foggy plover]

could argue class viability doesnt matter either

[cobalt pewter]

At this point I'm not sure which class Red likes more

[elder mist]

minishark, >space gun

[zealous ridge]

"this is why summoner gets no content"

[cobalt pewter]

God fuck

[elder mist]

every class equally.

[pine star]

nice emoji ein

[foggy plover]

it doesnt matter which class he likes more, I thought we were against blaming him for everything

[unreal viper]

I am.

[crude geode]

~~that's why zenith exists ~~

people like to

[unreal viper]

Anydoodles midrange good.

[pine star]

byeah

also what was the original sugg about again?

[crude geode]

Yoyos are a cool concept, it's just that they're broken as fuck. I would prefer if I didn't have to give up an accessory slot to use a weapon type.

[foggy plover]

flasks

iirc

[cobalt pewter]

I've pitched to make yoyos Grabber-tier interesting a while back, but like, it didn't get traction

[pine star]

try again?

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe Grabber is too overwhelming for the brains of average cal player byeah

[pine star]

who knows, changing climates could mean changing opinions

[cobalt pewter]

I'll prolly repost later

[pine star]

Also have you heard of the suggestion alignment chart?

[crude geode]

?

[pine star]

this is what i'm talking about

some profile pictures are outdated

[craggy stratus]

[unreal viper]

we are chaos

[crude geode]

that's beautiful

[unreal viper]

chaos is strong

[crude geode]

indeed it is

[craggy stratus]

where would reposting the same sugg 3 times be

[unreal star]

why isn’t there a do’s document

[unreal viper]

I love some of the suggs by people who don't read the don'ts

[pine star]

Feedza is in the exact center

[unreal viper]

like replace all sprites with small circles

[pine star]

And there was this really long russian sugg

That was just "add silva"

[unreal viper]

and add roar of the jungle skeleton

[pine star]

wtf is that?

I need to know now

[craggy stratus]

jesus

too bad everything after 24 hours get killed, so search function cant help with that

[pine star]

oh

that sucks

[unreal viper]

roar of the jungle skeelton?

[pine star]

Apparently the add roar of the jungle skeleton sugg was like 3 weeks ago

[craggy stratus]

also thomas's sugg is godlike, so i dont think he is 'evil' per se

[pine star]

idk why Ian is neutral evil either

[unreal viper]

cause ian made it

[crude geode]

It's prolly cuz Thomas and Ian's suggs are usually pretty controversial/sometimes disliked.

that's just my guess.

[pine star]

oh

Then how is Thomas lawful, and Feedza true neutral?

[crude geode]

ask Ian

[pine star]

ok

[unreal viper]

boomerangs are becoming rogue riht?

[foggy plover]

#calamity-mod-talk message

[heady storm]

Wait what is this chart supposed to be for?

[pine star]

idk exactly

Ian made it

I thought it was interesting

Ask Ian for rationales behind placements of people

[heady storm]

@hot zephyr where is Rover and Brav?

Brav specifically wants to know in staff vc.

[pine star]

Some pfps are outdated

[cobalt pewter]

Boomerangs and disks are becoming rogue no?

[pine star]

Most boomerangs

[cobalt pewter]

And stuff like Equanimity is already rogue

[sturdy geyser]

rover and brav are off the charts

:fll

ushed:

[cobalt pewter]

Giving those hammers to Melee™ is a cool choice

Because the entire Melee™ is bland

[pine star]

there are a few melee boomerangs that will stay melee
(i.e. pwnagehammer upgrades)

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

Don't say that about Exo Gladius

[earnest cape]

176 stars

[sturdy geyser]

but strictly midrange rogue would be kinda epic ngl

[unreal viper]

:sadflushed:

[pine star]

:FLUSHD:

[hot zephyr]

@heady storm What?

Sorry, I just drove 30 mins home

Thomas is lawful because his suggestions are generally long and detailed; I'm neutral evil because most of my suggestions are superfluous, one was literally to fix the shrine size because it wasn't even

[pine star]

oh

haha

[hot zephyr]

A few of the spots were chosen just because I was limited

[pine star]

so what is chaotic then?

[simple fog]

I'm off the grid :pogu:

[hot zephyr]

I also had an updated version of the chart w/ Lauren and Rover added

[pine star]

oh

Cool