suggestions-discussion

[tawny garden]

nice

[earnest raptor]

It's not exactly bad, just brings small identity issue.

[hot zephyr]

God I wish there was a way to find shrines other than randomly lucking out.

[earnest raptor]

(rogue without stealth = melee + ranger?)

[hot zephyr]

rogue without stealth = thrower

[cobalt pewter]

Rogue is intended to be a renamed throwing at first from what I can recall

Due to 1.4 news

[tawny garden]

flashback to pre-whatever version when these were still throwing

[sturdy geyser]

rogue is still thrower tbh ngl imo iirc

[earnest raptor]

Yes, exactly.

[sturdy geyser]

i remember throwing in calamity

[sleek turret]

rogue can be boosted by thrower bonuses I think at all.

[earnest raptor]

I'd add some additional mechanic to rogue to help him stand out.

[cobalt pewter]

Imagine giving a class a gender 😳

But either way

[tawny garden]

rogue is still throwing on the backend iirc

[sleek turret]

Yes it is.

[tawny garden]

dunno how that works tho

I might take a look

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth is a field to expand on rogue's identity imo, and that's why I've been trying to push the mechanic towards high burst, not spammy gameplay

heck ozz planned to rename it to focus instead of stealth at one point, and I can be on board

[sleek turret]

When messing around with Spanish Translation of Terraria it messed up the part of "rogue damage <x number>" and showcased "rogue lanzar <x number>" and by doing research and translations I detected that basically its thrower in disguise.

[cobalt pewter]

and philo can read source, so yech

[earnest raptor]

Renaming will not change the fact than stealth is support mechanic, that is, as you have said, designed to be bonus reward for doing funky shit.

[cobalt pewter]

Well just not attacking is sufficient for stealth most of the time in my experience

And yes, stealth was also initially designed as support

[tawny garden]

I mean in fairness it at least has a mechanic

[cobalt pewter]

Which I am trying to push away from

[tawny garden]

unlike ranger

[earnest raptor]

I think than stealth shouldn't be ignorable.

[pine star]

Where's the ranger emoji when you need it?

[tawny garden]

🔫

there

[earnest raptor]

like at all

[sturdy geyser]

ranger has a mechanic, that being ammo

it has modifiable weapons

[sleek turret]

yes

[tawny garden]

eh

alright

[sturdy geyser]

a mechanic is a mechanic, even if its implemented horribly

[sleek turret]

and also stealth mechanic on ranger is exclusive to 2 armors only

[sturdy geyser]

stealth is implemented horribly and its still a mechanic

[tawny garden]

[sleek turret]

while rogue stealth is for all rogue armors at all.

togue

[earnest raptor]

New mechanic

You can lick enemies

[tawny garden]

ew

[earnest raptor]

[cobalt pewter]

I could definitely get behind rebranding bonus stuff for rogue (e.g. moving it away from flasks)

[tawny garden]

new class: rouge weapons

they're all just painted red

[cobalt pewter]

iirc rogue will get a buff station Soon™

Something like Sharpening Station

[tawny garden]

nice

[sleek turret]

Sharpening Station (Rogue)

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

That got rejected actually iirc

Someone sugged sharpened buff to affect rogue

[sturdy geyser]

thats good, some nice vanilla consistency

calamity can be bad at being consistent when consistency would be good

[cobalt pewter]

And yeah, I do feel like rogue can shy away from using flasks

Though I'm not entirely sure what they can do to replace flasks

[simple fog]

Yes they did

[tawny garden]

replace flasks with engine oil

[serene fox]

yeah that's like

the only way I see axes getting a 39 sec kill time

[simple fog]

They pulled the vile feeders iframe bug and caused massive damage, ended up hitting 5:30 on yharon with a really average build with it, 19 minions

[serene fox]

do axes keep local i-frames thooo

(please say yes)

[tawny garden]

no

[cobalt pewter]

I honestly think

...idk what to think

brb

[simple fog]

I don’t think so

[tawny garden]

if they're that broken

it's better to just not keep them

[simple fog]

That’ll get fixed but it was a comical bug I mentioned in cmt

[cobalt pewter]

Okay so I was thinking about https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Momentum_Capacitor

And maybe a different type of rogue consumables that do this kinda field but for debuffs?

Might veer into specifics, plus I can't sugg anything else atm, so imma just write it for myself

[earnest raptor]

Wait

Can you briefly explain, what happens?

[frail mantle]

they're bugged and ignore i-frames

[earnest raptor]

Post-ML with pre-hm minion sounds like something from dreams.

[frail mantle]

not the Vile Feeders

well, the Vile Feeders did it too a while back

but this time it's the Elemental Axes shitfucking themselves

[long vault]

I don't get these

isn't the entire way you determine if something is organic or not based on what sound your weapons make when you hit them?

[tawny garden]

[[List of NPCs by Hit Sound]] yeah

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/List_of_NPCs_by_Hit_Sound

[tawny garden]

they want it to be clearer I guess

[sleek turret]

or just by looking how the boss/enemy appearence is you can mostly determine what is organic or inorganic.

[tawny garden]

[hot zephyr]

IIRC it's not entirely accurate

[long vault]

what's the exceptions?

[zealous ridge]

It’s not accurate all the time, no

polterghast switches between organic and inorganic depending on his phase

as does devil fish

Even then the argument could be “you’re damaging an inorganic part”

[pine star]

And Scal is inorganic

[zealous ridge]

but there’s also weird points

Such as angry dog

Who is both for some reason

[radiant meadow]

that's why devil fish is on the list twice, as is polterghast/necroplasm

[zealous ridge]

Huh

You mean his different phases of being

[radiant meadow]

https://gyazo.com/700733328ca0847a7fae5d5a96142e6c
https://gyazo.com/d01eb1614073ba9d3570d84031bfddf4

[zealous ridge]

Bohldor and cosmic elemental are also considered organic

Yeah I was aware of it

[long vault]

polterghast also changes what sound plays when you hit him based on phase tho

[sharp prism]

[zealous ridge]

Yes, but how is one to know what sound is considered organic or inorganic

that is the issue here

[sharp prism]

you read the wiki

[zealous ridge]

smh

[sharp prism]

[long vault]

"does this sound organic"

[zealous ridge]

amazing

[long vault]

hmm idk does the metallic tinks of hitting metal sound bloomin organic?

[tawny garden]

use your brain smh

[long vault]

is planterra organic?

[zealous ridge]

id argue in polterghasts case his sound is remarkably non descriptive

despite sounding like rock hits, it’s considered organic

and it’s the spirit phase which is inorganic

[novel belfry]

wait quick question, how exactly is stealth going to be changed in the near future?

[tawny garden]

Terraria and its mods are pretty much impossible to play without the wiki

[radiant meadow]

top secret information

[novel belfry]

ok

[zealous ridge]

I still think that’s such a discussion stopper

[long vault]

if you really want in-game ways to know what is organic get the bestiary mod or something

[frail mantle]

in 1.5 stealth strikes will summon big chungus to downvote your enemies

[tawny garden]

good description there

[sharp prism]

pog champ

[long vault]

please tell me a mod has added big chungus cosmetic armor

[zealous ridge]

Would the bestiary mod even support this? That would be a compatability discussion

big chungus

Pain

[sturdy geyser]

thats pretty cool in my personal opinion

[zealous ridge]

thank you lemon

my question now is why organic/inorganic is even a thing honestly

would there be any arguments for it even existing?

[tawny garden]

it

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

mimics real life?

[zealous ridge]

something something realism

[tawny garden]

...somehow

idk

[zealous ridge]

honestly remove organic/inorganic please

I know very few situations when this is even a feature to be considered

Of course, the magnum super weapons

but fuck those right up the ass

all of them are terrible

and the only others would be the draedon Arsenal weapons

[radiant meadow]

tarragon, silva, and drew's wings all have better flight capabilities than their tracer counterparts tho

they fly higher, longer, and faster

[zealous ridge]

oh and also I love how no one can agree which one is consistently better

one day, seraph is the best and you never use other wings

[radiant meadow]

tracers have reduced flight stats but you can run

[zealous ridge]

Other day, there is no reason to use boots at all

it’s really funny to me

[radiant meadow]

lunar, tarragon, and silva also have bonuses with their associated armors

[zealous ridge]

I thought even certain lunar wings had better stats than tracers

like I think it would’ve been solar and stardust

Vortex and nebula have a hover, which is a different utility

[radiant meadow]

lunar wings fly for a whole extra second over tracers

[zealous ridge]

what about ascent speed, then?

I thought they would differ in that at least

[simple fog]

Choosing lunar wings or tracers is just personal preference, lunar wings offer a set bonus with armor, while tracers just combine 2 thigns into 1

You can't go wrong with either

[sleek girder]

i'll just delete my sugg, i dont know why i thought they didnt provide buffs since i just saw myself using them so much

[long vault]

it's the tradoff between more flight time and set specific bonus or having another useful trinket

[zealous ridge]

yeah kindof

Wings alone provide bonuses depending on armor and such, as well as better flight stats

[long vault]

like maybe if you want ampoul you swap out wings for tracers, or you decide you don't need the extra acc and would rather the flight time

[zealous ridge]

seraph tracers would theoretically save you an accessory slot

by combining treads into your wings

but the thing about that argument

[long vault]

tbh i personally never upgrade until elysian but that's just my preference at that point

[zealous ridge]

Is that you could just swap out angel treads

like, there isn’t anything saying they’re absolutely required

[long vault]

i'd rather have boots than have wings if i had to strictly choose one or the other

[zealous ridge]

really?

I would honestly choose wings

of course I usually go seraph

Mostly because I prefer the versatility

but to make up for lack of boots, there are dashes, ms boosts

the fact that wings are powerful horizontal movement options on their own

[long vault]

not powerful enough, flight time is too short

that's why frog legs are still such a good item so late in the game

[zealous ridge]

wdym flight time is too short

Do you mean seraph?

[long vault]

i mean flight time is too short, period

for all wings

even drew

[zealous ridge]

well I don’t agree with that

[long vault]

that's fine it's a preference thing

[zealous ridge]

if it’s an issue, frog leg

Or any other like, wing speed altering accessory

On top of their own bonuses

I guess it is?

It’s a preference in some capacity

[long vault]

you know what they say go fast or go home, boots are for the fast

[zealous ridge]

I guess it is a preference

in that case

I used to think I couldn’t live without Hermès

but honestly I’ve found them to be less useful compared to some of the other choices

Just investing a little bit more into wings gives you similar speed

it’s why amphibian boots are so good in 1.4

instead of some of the utility regarding spectre+, you can get frog leg and boots in one accessory

Something useful throughout almost the whole game

[long vault]

if anything i think boot should combine with balloons as the alternative to wings

quad jump is so nice

[zealous ridge]

Honestly? Would be okay with that

but there is moab

[long vault]

moab is to put it politely

dicks

[zealous ridge]

Upgrades to it have been suggested a few times

really? Damn

I thought it was fun looking

[long vault]

the only time i have ever made moab is because fargo uses it for the flight soul

[zealous ridge]

ok but it’s actually bad

?

[long vault]

yes

[whole sedge]

yeah moab kinda sucks

[zealous ridge]

Fuck man I knew I was behind but not that much

I remember it being epic

Maybe that was before it got it’s 3souls recipe

[long vault]

0 horizontal bonus

low flight time

the height is only high because you get a quad jump

[zealous ridge]

well I mean wasn’t the point the jumps?

yeah

[long vault]

the quad jump is more height than the actual flight is

moab makes you FEEL like a balloon

large, slow, just kinda drifting through the sky

[zealous ridge]

fucking feel like batman

I don’t really know why it needs wing ability, in that case

Besides the glide

[long vault]

the glide honestly

gets in the way

[zealous ridge]

how so?

[whole sedge]

Yeah I ain't gonna lie glides usually just annoy me and mess up my movement most times

[long vault]

^

[zealous ridge]

hm okay

[long vault]

"ok gotta hold space so i jump as i hit the ground, make those frog leg work"

[zealous ridge]

Ahhh that’s true

[long vault]

"oh but wait i'm fekkin GLIDING NOW"

[zealous ridge]

yea honestly could remove jet pack

from moab

[long vault]

I would rather moab not fly at all, at least then it could have niche application as an upgrade to frog legs

[zealous ridge]

no flight, quad jump, super high jumps

auto jump...

Do you think some effect on double jump would be fun?

like every extra air jump you use you get a bit of a mobility boost

[long vault]

you already do to an extent

[zealous ridge]

through the jump order ?

[long vault]

if you have boots i think its the sandstorm jump gets you up to running speed

[zealous ridge]

Yes, I recall that

(What if it had a hover)

[long vault]

what if you could hold space to fall faster

[zealous ridge]

Hmm

I guess I should ask, do you think you’d make a suggestion for this?

This is sugg discussion, after all

[long vault]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm less attached to this idea than shrines need to actually spawn on every world

[zealous ridge]

fair enough

is that a sugg youre planning or have posted already

[long vault]

have posted already, went through voting got like 150 or so stars

[zealous ridge]

alright

[long vault]

spacing out to sugg that again at some point

[zealous ridge]

I might hold on to that Moab thing, then, in that case

[long vault]

don't wanna just clutter suggs with all my bad ideas

[zealous ridge]

Would that be fine?

[long vault]

sure

[zealous ridge]

Nice

[sleek girder]

the shrine one got 200 and passed

it got a thumbs up and x if i remember

#suggestions-voting message

yup

[novel belfry]

why both thumbs up and a cross?

???

[zenith hazel]

because this guy somehow made 3 suggestions in 1

we only approved of 1 and rejected the other 2

that being guaranteed shrine spawn

[novel belfry]

[tawny garden]

Which is not supposed to happen

Two suggs in one are a no

[novel belfry]

well at least shrines are now guaranteed to spawn

[robust lava]

Not necessarily. A 🏁 was not added, so it has not been implemented. 👍 just means that the devs think it's a good idea

[proper grail]

Suggest it again for the bluecheck, we need those shrines

[tawny garden]

Bluechecks aren't delivered

[proper grail]

It means highly suggested

Highly suggested=higher chance of being flagged

[tawny garden]

Speaking of bluechecks

We prolly need to move the cutoff point

To like may

[sand umbra]

just looked in suggs and

exhausturating

I see new words are already being created in the wake of my appearance as people try to follow up after my textwall regarding how Cryonic metal is cringe

life is good

[hollow shell]

@glossy stone It's been a while but your sugg's still unedited

[glossy stone]

ik

[hollow shell]

You seem to imply that rogue only has 2 accessories
despite the fact that it has 30

[glossy stone]

I was busy

[hollow shell]

which is more than any class has dedicated to it in vanilla

[glossy stone]

That's not what I meant

It's just that some of those accs are really rejected

Like Raider's Talisman

[hollow shell]

Why does that matter?

You have many other options

[glossy stone]

It just feels wrong

And you use it in a post-ML recipe

[robust lava]

Over 2.7k suggestions in voting since March 1st (if my maths is correct)... seems like the time might be right

[tawny garden]

Maths?

[robust lava]

I'm not Americanising that for you

[tawny garden]

No uh

[worn blaze]

maybe try and add a stricter format for sugg in order for them to get approved, so like reducing useless text that adds nothing such as descriptive words or such as: "at this very moment, currently"

[tawny garden]

You don't even need to do any maths

Is what I meant

[zealous ridge]

i dont know if thats even needed krav

[hollow shell]

I don't think that would affect much

[zealous ridge]

i dont think it needs to be a rule

because like

[robust lava]

... it says it in the top left. me dum

Well at least my maths was correct then

[tawny garden]

Useless text is already a don't

[zealous ridge]

thats more of a suggestion should not than something that needs to be enforced

yes, in cases where it doesnt add anything and distracts from the main point of the suggestion

a conjunction is not worth making a rule over

[hollow shell]

(Well, specifically useless text as an intro, is what's already a Don't)

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[worn blaze]

just trying to offer some ideas other than completely restricting how many suggestions someone can post

[zealous ridge]

eh

[glossy stone]

Yeah I'm deleting it

[hollow shell]

Alright

[glossy stone]

Fuck it

[hollow shell]

That's ok

[tawny garden]

Restricting how much someone can post is completely different from making other rules stricter

[glossy stone]

Guess I got a bit too angry at commentating lol

[tawny garden]

Because if you say "uhh @cobalt pewter you can't sugg this and that anymore" he'll still post suggs like a madman

[pine star]

[sand umbra]

I just realized there's like

nine hours between my sugg and the sugg after it

holy shit that's a lot of time

[pine star]

oh

[worn blaze]

maybe try to make the formatting more streamlined than just main idea/header, body/idea. Not saying it's bad or anything just that there might be a need to seperate things more so that it can be read with less difficulty.

changing the formatting so that you have to include a break in between sections and add a category like:
Header

Main issue: yadda yadda yadda

How to fix it: do this and that

or if it's an idea of what to add in the mod or something similar:
Header

What I think should be added:

Why it's important:

This could be elaborated to fit into a lot more specific situations, and it would be much more easy to read maybe if the categories were bolded. It's probably worth trying before restricting sugg flow and it's just an idea, should I actually make this a sugg?

[sand umbra]

no

suggestions being limited to a specific format is just a recipe for never wanting anyone except the regulars to post

which is retarded

"but Thomas we can just add it to the doc"

oh, that one?

the suggrules doc that nobody ever fucking reads? yeah, that one
great idea, there's no way that can backfire

people won't even read the description of the channel let alone the pins or a doc in the pins

[zealous ridge]

this does not need to be a rule

[sand umbra]

there are still people that wander in and ask for advice in the suggestions channel

[zealous ridge]

its good practice, but it should not be required

[sand umbra]

^

[worn blaze]

well I'm not too adament on making it happen, just thought it was better than restricting how many ideas a person can have per day

[zealous ridge]

well, heres the thing about that

[zenith hazel]

that's the point of limiting people to only 1-2 suggs per day

[worn blaze]

which affects everyone regardless of how good the ideas are

[sand umbra]

well yes

[zealous ridge]

well, i dont think its that any ideas you come up with on a day past it's sugg quota means you cant ever post it

[sand umbra]

you shouldn't be targeting a specific demographic

[zealous ridge]

it is simply a matter of patience, the way i see it

it seems unfair to screw over other people just to make it so that people can post as much as they want, something I argue causes far more problems

[worn blaze]

That's okay never said it should be a rule yet, but it should be encouraged

[zealous ridge]

sure

[sand umbra]

any suggestion rule should affect everyone equally

[zealous ridge]

it can be ecouraged to write suggs better, more to the point

[sand umbra]

a required format would not affect everyone equally

[zealous ridge]

but no rules about this

[sand umbra]

it would only serve to prevent newcomers from properly learning suggestion practice while the regulars continue to rule the land

[zealous ridge]

is what my bottom line is

[sand umbra]

it's a rich get richer scheme which is not healthy at all

so none of that

[zealous ridge]

i assume you want to make this into a suggestion, no?

because i wouldnt really think it nessecary to make a suggestion about encouraging people to write suggestions better

i think that should be a given

[worn blaze]

I'm not a regular lol, it's not really that complicated imo, just add like two words before your main point and your idea on how to fix it

[sand umbra]

a lot of current suggrules aren't that complicated

that doesn't mean people will read them

you can lead a horse to water as much as you want but through no power of your own can you make it drink said water

[zealous ridge]

i find it unneeded to make a suggestion for that, mostly

if that is your intent

[worn blaze]

I would agree except the alternative is muzzling the horse for a day even if it wants to drink more

[zealous ridge]

i dont think its a big a problem that you make it out to be

your argument here is that limiting daily sugg posts is bad, and should be a last resort if no other solution works

or not a resort at all

my question is what makes you opposed to daily sugg limits?

[sand umbra]

how would daily sugg limits even be a problem

I mean I guess it'd be a problem for Feedza and IHS over there but not for any of the other regulars

or for you, for that matter, Kravkik

[zealous ridge]

this is why i ask

what specifically makes you opposed?

because i dont see major issue with limits on suggestions posted within a 24 hour period

[worn blaze]

because people like chetto who are wiki gods can have really good ideas and it shouldn't take longer for them to reach the devs

also just people who have a lot of ideas they want to share in seperate suggs, you shouldn't be limiting them and everyone.

not to mention that limiting suggs has zero direct effect on the quality of said suggs, it just makes them flow a lot less.

adding more to the formatting by breaking it down and having less "elaboration" can make them get approved faster if they are genuinely good ideas

[sand umbra]

that's not going to get anything approved faster

nobody will care

[robust lava]

Making the suggestions flow slower means each sugg is at the bottom of voting for longer, so it is seen more, leading to more potential votes

[sand umbra]

suggs rely on stars

extra formatting is one of those things nobody cares about

and it'll do nothing but muddle the point

hence, less stars

if a sugg cannot reach the star req it does not matter how good it is or how nice its formatting is

you know what a limit would do? make it so good suggs are seen more because there are less overall suggs

[worn blaze]

really all people are reading is the headers anyway lmao

[sand umbra]

it would also encourage people to be really smart about their suggestions

that's. precisely my point, Kravkik

nobody will care about this extra formatting

all it'll do is take up extra space

which is the opposite of what needs to happen

[zealous ridge]

without a suggestion limit, you imply that only good suggestions will be influenced and would result in less good suggestions

[sand umbra]

(I can barely keep my suggestions below char limit while still getting my point across without needing all this special formatting that nobody asked for, thank you very much)

[zealous ridge]

but arent all of the suggestions that got to voting considered good anyways?

i think the reduced flow is good

because that gives more time for people to see the actual suggestions on their own terms

[worn blaze]

yes but that's not the point lmao, the devs will still have to deal with every 500 word essay sugg with just a single change, which they aren't going to read through lmao, this is more of an idea that would benefit them more than anything else

[hot zephyr]

I think the current system is fine.

It's versatile but simple.

[robust lava]

Suggestions in voting are considered valid, not necessarily good

[hot zephyr]

Not all suggestions are made the same, nor are the suggestor's style. Compare the length of my suggestions compared to Thomas, for example.

[zealous ridge]

well, good by the terms of the rules

so i suppose valid, yes

[hot zephyr]

Suggestions are not inherently good or bad; if they go to voting they're rule-conplacent, and if they're voted then they're popular.

[zealous ridge]

what minor extra ease is gained from forcing writing guidelines on every suggestor is lost in the fact that people are just going to be gated from suggesting more

because now they have another fucking thing to worry about when writing

suggesting something should not be held to the same standards as writing an essay for an english class

[worn blaze]

I know, but regardless of your style someone has suggested that they should restrict everyone, I guess that wouldn't affect people who like to overflow their suggestions with stuff that isn't relevent, but it would affect people who have multiple, simple, straightforward ideas

[zealous ridge]

what you suggest also restricts everyone

unless i misread

[worn blaze]

not really, it's just putting a word behind transitions as well as pressing the enter key once

[zealous ridge]

i dont know what you mean

remind me what youre asking?

[sand umbra]

I'm not going to actively cut off part of my explanations to fit someone else's suggestion template or whatever

outta here

[zealous ridge]

i thought it was "remove unnessecary transitions"

[worn blaze]

never said remove transitions

stop putting words in my mouth

[zealous ridge]

well i must have misinterpreted

[worn blaze]

I said "stuff that isn't relevant"

[sand umbra]

hold on, let me meticulously look through your entire argument to see if I can dissect your intentions

[zealous ridge]

i didnt mean to put words in your mouth, i just ask for clarification

[sand umbra]

yeah stuff that isn't relevant like further explanation of points that people that don't know the mod front to back might not get

[zealous ridge]

stuff that isnt relevant?

[sand umbra]

if I were to dumb down my explanations in the way that a template would indirectly require that I do, it would defeat the purpose

[worn blaze]

never said dumb down

nice strawman

[zealous ridge]

hey, can you cool it

we're just trying to discuss

[sand umbra]

alright, let's look back at your argument then, I wanna know what you're asking for

speak your mind

tell us exactly what you intend to have happen through this system and why we should believe it's going to be any better than a universal suggestions-per-day limit

[worn blaze]

wait hold up, I don't even recall saying to remove stuff in my original idea, it was literally "add a word before transitions, press enter" that's it, you can have your 500 word essay and eat it too lmao

[sand umbra]

alright

that's the "what"

now give us the ❔, give us the why

all suggestions --- especially those related to suggestions themselves --- need good reasoning, after all.

=)

[worn blaze]

to not restrict everyone, especially people who have a lot of ideas.

[zealous ridge]

what is this word before transitions

i dont know what you mean by this, and how im reading into it it would change nothing

[worn blaze]

yes exactly

[sand umbra]

...that's not really a reason that we should star it

[worn blaze]

that's the point, there won't have to be major changes

[zealous ridge]

so, the suggestion is dont make limits on posts per day

[sand umbra]

like
you need more than that

notice how every suggestion that has ever entered posting has a substantial amount of backing to it

[zealous ridge]

u mean voting?

[sand umbra]

...yeah. voting. you know what I mean

point is, you need a substantial backing to your sugg especially if it's involving the suggestion system itself

you will not get special treatment for discussing it here first

[worn blaze]

what do you mean by "we" maybe you two but not everyone lmao, I don't think that sugg about restricting posting will reach the threshold needed for it to be approved because people don't like having their ideas restricted, making the while reasoning behind adding an alternative idea pointless, wow I think I just wasted my time

[tawny garden]

this discussion is still happening, wow

[worn blaze]

ikr?

[dapper coral]

what are you guys even talking about

Solstice's sugg, or general limitations?

[tawny garden]

Meta-sugg stuff

[worn blaze]

I presented an alternative idea to restricting the sugg flow

and they didn't like it lmao

[tawny garden]

Well, it's not restrictive

[zealous ridge]

yeah im sorry i didnt like it, but im going to tell you why i dont like it and if you think im stupid than ill just not bother you

[worn blaze]

the main idea is essentally: seperate the main issue and solution with a word and an enter key

[tawny garden]

If you somehow restrict the actual format/content of the sugg, it won't stop people from posting

They will just adhere to the new format

[worn blaze]

so like this:
Header

main issue: blah blah blah

solution: do this

[tawny garden]

Our system is already complex, relative to what other servers do

[worn blaze]

this can be adjusted if need be which it probably would need to be

but that's the very basic idea

[hot zephyr]

Seems unnecessary

[dapper coral]

how do you propose that'll help with the current issue?

i.e. not enough suggs are getting passed

[tawny garden]

Rules and rate limits don't have anything in common

[worn blaze]

it would make it so that the main points can be reached more easily by devs and people looking to star

[tawny garden]

The title exists for that

[worn blaze]

mainly for the devs who are looking through the body

[simple fog]

should the second to last sugg be ! or is it fine you think Demik

[tawny garden]

Devs already have to take their time to read everything

[terse sundial]

(not many devs to my knowledge read suggestions here)

[tawny garden]

That's future content @simple fog

[sand umbra]

second to last sugg has some pretty bruh grammar but the point is communicated well enough...I think?

[terse sundial]

(most of them will just read the delivered suggestions)

[sand umbra]

wait Philo second to last sugg isn't future content what

[tawny garden]

I meant in dev server

[dapper coral]

the bloodworm one??? that's not future content

[simple fog]

Well with the way they worded it, I don't know if it fits to pass as a sugg and there are no plans to make them craftable afaik

[worn blaze]

ik just saying it would help since they have to go through so many, and that would help with approving them, and it would probably be better than restricting people with many simple, good ideas

[tawny garden]

Ah

Fuck, I inverted the passage of time in my head

[dapper coral]

but you miss the point of the restriction
it literally only affects people who post more than once a day
i.e. 2% of suggesters

[terse sundial]

brb making summoning OD even more of a hassle

[simple fog]

Also this latest sugg seems a little unneeded? Drew wings offer more flight time but the tracers have their own specific -frames upon getting hit to make it unique. might want to ! it since it doesn't feel needed?

[tawny garden]

No

[simple fog]

If drew wings have their iframes then what would be the point of c tracers immune frames?

[unreal viper]

Yeah.

[tawny garden]

People can disagree later

[worn blaze]

anyways I may or may not make what I was saying a sugg when I get my pc back

[simple fog]

Then you'd never make c tracers and you'd have longer wingtime with drew wings, there has to be a trade off here logically otherwise this is just a bit too balanced to one option

[worn blaze]

didn't want to drag this out lmao but I like explaining things to people

[simple fog]

I guess it can just pass to voting after 24hr actually since it'll probably get denied as is

[tawny garden]

Well, suggs are opinions after all

(I'm just kinda defending everything that has a right to live )

[simple fog]

I'm unsure of the bloodworm one since while they are rare, doing acid rain T3 exists and it isn't too unbearable to do

[worn blaze]

I made a sugg to make the bloodworms craftable

[dapper coral]

you only need to give an exclam if a) it's invalid for formatting reasons or b) they've been pinged about an issue and haven't fixed it yet

if it's something that is generally subjective that's not a reason to exclam it

[worn blaze]

it was already made before so it was blue checked, and it reached the star threshold

[simple fog]

The bloodworm sugg doesn't convey the issue the best is the thing

[tawny garden]

I had a point that I wanted to make

But I got interrupted

What's the point of the whole delivery hassle if suggs are rejected immediately for being "seemingly unnecessary"

Yeah, the bloodworm one has bad grammar

[worn blaze]

and has multiple sugg in it

[tawny garden]

@dull marlin try to make your sugg clearer please

[worn blaze]

wasn't talking bout you phil, you're good

[hollow shell]

What's wrong with HaleStorm's sugg?

[long vault]

hm?

[tawny garden]

future content

[simple fog]

Let me get what Brav said, one second Rover

[tawny garden]

Hallowed ore is planned

[simple fog]

#suggestions-discussion message

[long vault]

hallowed ore feels like more ore bloat, what do you even use the bars in after you have the pickaxe axe

[hollow shell]

It is indeed but he's not suggesting a change to the future Hallowed Ore
He's just asking for it to happen

[tawny garden]

but but

uhh

[hollow shell]

An invalid future content sugg would be if he said "Make the Luminite Ore that spawns next update grow in Planetoids instead"
That would be violating the Don't

[tawny garden]

even those types of suggs were preeviously disallowed

[buoyant idol]

Ik there is already a mod that has hallowed ore

[tawny garden]

AA

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, just finished it today

[long vault]

genuine question do people actually make hallowed armor ever?

[simple fog]

Since hallowed ore is planned though, the sugg just feels a little unneeded when it's asking it to be in pearlstone due to the ore generation already being handled

[buoyant idol]

I did once

[simple fog]

Yes the hallowed armor set is good for melee and ranger

[buoyant idol]

I only play melee so Idk about the others

But it decent

[tawny garden]

I made Hallowed

but it only lasted briefly iirc

[long vault]

it feels worse than both daedalus and titanium to me

[tawny garden]

nvm that I last played 11 months ago

[buoyant idol]

I never craft it in calamity because cryonic aarmor

[hollow shell]

He doesn't say that 'because' Hallowed Ore is planned, make it spawn in Pearlstone and spread

I don't know if he knew it was planned when he wrote the sugg

[tawny garden]

he didn't

or she

[hollow shell]

So, he is not making a sugg about changing upcoming content

[buoyant idol]

It was just a coincidence that he made that suggestion most likely.

[hollow shell]

(I will say that it is more specific than it needs to be. He could've including reasoning for why it should spawn in Pearlstone and why it should spread)

[tawny garden]

oh god

[long vault]

if I'm looking at this right hallowed armor has less defense and less damage than an armor set you acquire before it? and I can't think of anything that uses it aside from making excalibur and the pickaxe axe

[tawny garden]

they're suggesting it to spread

[long vault]

maybe hallowed armor just needs a buff /shrug

[tawny garden]

well bye bye sugg I guess

[buoyant idol]

I have an idea for a suggest

[hollow shell]

((Also Hallowed Ore has been planned for like 2 years now, might be a little unfair to disallow suggs for it considering it's been in such perpetual development stagnation))

[buoyant idol]

For the S-cal fight, the spirit skulls at below 10% are hard to see. I think they should glow more because I was slain by one because they are too hard to see.

[hollow shell]

Sure you can suggest that

[long vault]

make sure to format good

[dapper coral]

spirit skulls?

[tawny garden]

huh

[dapper coral]

like, the little dudes that go up and down?

[tawny garden]

[dapper coral]

soul seekers are different from what i'm talkin about

[tawny garden]

terminology

[dapper coral]

i mean the brimstone skulls

[simple fog]

wait I thought you meant the soul seekers that wiggle up and down

[buoyant idol]

The guys who go up and down fired by one of the brothers

[dapper coral]

okay yeah

brimstone skulls

[cobalt pewter]

[simple fog]

those are soul seekers?

[dapper coral]

soul seekers are the ones that spawn around scal at 20% in a circle

[simple fog]

I thought those were the brimstone skulls

[buoyant idol]

Not the big red ones for the bullet rain but the little ones below 10%

[simple fog]

The tiny little guys are far from being a skull, it's more of a seeker

[buoyant idol]

Also how do I format a suggestion, its my first time

[simple fog]

The big red ones are brimstone skulls and the giant red circle ones are the brimstone monsters

why is this scal terminology confusing

[long vault]

and skeletron is far from being a complete skeleton yet here we are

[dapper coral]

brimstone flame skulls ^

[long vault]

:hehelmao:

[simple fog]

Can we just all call them death

[dapper coral]

big difference

[simple fog]

@hollow shell okay I've removed the ! on the sugg then due to your reasoning, that is understandable

[dapper coral]

byeah bout hallowed, seeing as brav didn't confirm whether it was happening in this update or not i'd say it's allowed to stay up

[hollow shell]

@buoyant idol Have a top line with a summary about what you wanna see changed (you can put it in bold too if you want)

then have a line break or two (Shift+Enter)

and then you have a body paragraph which explains your reasoning for why you wanna see the change

[buoyant idol]

Ok thanks!

[hollow shell]

👍

[dapper coral]

okay so two things

[hollow shell]

Format is good

[dapper coral]

a) you should call them by their official name, brimstone flame skulls
b) a full-on resprite might be too much, just ask for them to be more visible instead

since i'm fairly sure you can do that without needing an entire resprite

[hollow shell]

Well

A resprite would prolly be the most surefire solution

cuz even making them emit a lotta light wouldn't help, because there's nothing for it to shine on

[dapper coral]

true

but asking for a resprite increases the work required to implement such a change

[hollow shell]

Maybe

[dapper coral]

and so that decreases its chances of getting passed by dev

[hollow shell]

Could just say that a resprite is an example of how to accomplish it

while keepin the rest more general

[dapper coral]

that would work

@buoyant idol read above for improvements to your sugg

[buoyant idol]

Ok thanks for the ideas

Is that a better idea?

[zealous ridge]

I don’t know if it would be too major to resprite it a bit larger

but it’s a fair point

could give them a trail?

as in, an afterimage trail

[crude geode]

The problem I have with it is that you don’t need anywhere near as much Hallowed bars as you do Luminite. Additionally, ML takes a minute to spawn unlike the instant mech bosses.

Additionally, future content is a nono

[cobalt pewter]

Additionally, ML takes a minute to spawn
Fargo mutant momentum

[crude geode]

imagine using other mods like Fargo’s

[proper grail]

Wait how TF did you just quote

[whole sedge]

Just use > (message)

[crude geode]

Yeah

[sand umbra]

Hallowed ore sounds...awkward in Calamity's context to say the least

seeing as Calamity adds virtually nothing to the Hallow

[zealous ridge]

Well please change that lmao

[cobalt pewter]

bruh imagine making scal harder when bh5 is a fuck....,.,,.,,,.

[zealous ridge]

but besides the point

[cobalt pewter]

Wait. Enraged?

[zealous ridge]

Yeah enraged state

apparently easier

than it should be, at least

[cobalt pewter]

Getting hit by scal out of arena should instakill

There

[zealous ridge]

perhaps

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

the scal barrier blocks are quite wacko

[zenith hazel]

aren’t enraged bullet hells near undodgeable?

[zealous ridge]

I mean, they serve their purpose don’t get me wrong

[cobalt pewter]

I never tried her enraged

[zealous ridge]

well I don’t know I’d have to see

[cobalt pewter]

So I have no clue

[zenith hazel]

actually, fun idea

[zealous ridge]

could it be that you can just run the fuck away

ignore bh

[cobalt pewter]

The only time I managed to get out without using rod/nr is with Final Dawn yeet

[zenith hazel]

@winter hazel can you by any chance record yourself beating her enraged?

[zealous ridge]

final dawn

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

Yooo

[zenith hazel]

also the suggestion doesn’t have proper formatting so like

[zealous ridge]

true

[cobalt pewter]

!

[zealous ridge]

I think it’s fair but it’s not really sugg guideline compliant

[zenith hazel]

if enraged scal is as easy as they say it is, then they should have no problem providing us footage

[zealous ridge]

technically speaking, it may just be that it’s too easy relative to what they think it should be

but yeah

[dire loom]

enraged scal
too easy

why

[cobalt pewter]

Then we can see they didn't realize they're using fuckshit bullfuck stuff from other mods and made the thing too easy

[zenith hazel]

they’re saying “she’s too easy enraged”

[zealous ridge]

more examples of how it’s easy/evidence is great for this kind of statement

[zenith hazel]

and they’re also saying “she shouldn’t be as easy as she is enraged”

[zealous ridge]

I mean, I agree with you

[zenith hazel]

which is flimsy

[zealous ridge]

it’s not clarified enough imo

[zenith hazel]

but my point being the former

[dire loom]

maybe they are just gigachads who also did this armorless

[zenith hazel]

if she’s easy then they should easily beat it

[cobalt pewter]

Which is also why brav also asked for footage

[zenith hazel]

so why not give us footage?

[cobalt pewter]

Because my expectation is that this guy probably just used something bullfuck op from something like Alchnpc full

[zealous ridge]

That’s very true

[cobalt pewter]

can we ban that mod off browser at this point and leave only lite in

[zealous ridge]

could just be a mod they’re using to fuck with balance

[zenith hazel]

so yea, if they’re not gonna provide us anything, their loss

[zealous ridge]

bruh

imagine banning a mod smh

[zenith hazel]

it is doable

but offtopic

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

[zealous ridge]

I understand your point, it just sounds a bit ridiculous

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

for something as utterly ridiculous as alchnpc full, I don't see the problem

[zealous ridge]

Okay

A discussion for a different channel, in any case

[cobalt pewter]

Ye

[winter hazel]

I already have twice

[whole sedge]

Send them then.

[winter hazel]

Normal mode:

https://youtu.be/8nHUGy3gjGM

[zenith hazel]

you're using post-scal weps

interesting

[cobalt pewter]

br

[winter hazel]

Still not easy, I can do it with ark of the elements later

[zenith hazel]

and wingslot

and alchnpc buffs

and luiafk buffs

[terse sundial]

(I don't think we're going to change the enrage)

[whole sedge]

That's also normal mode

[terse sundial]

congrats on beating it, that's pretty impressive

although most player's won't ever be able to do that

[zenith hazel]

yeah, while that's cool and all, it doesn't really warrant buffing enraged scal

[terse sundial]

or even attempt it

[winter hazel]

It fine, I still can’t get halfway done in revengance

[zealous ridge]

yeah if its not easier than normally doing it in arena with on tier items

[terse sundial]

There's no reason really to go out of our way to make a new challenge most player's won't ever attempt

[zealous ridge]

then it doesnt really need change yea

[terse sundial]

that's just not worth the time to both code and test it

[zealous ridge]

there is no reason to do it, as well

no special rewards

its just a challenge for the fun of it

[hardy dock]

Doesn’t Scal already take like 1 damage when enraged?

[zealous ridge]

i dont believe so...?

maybe?

might be mode locked

[terse sundial]

99% DR

[hardy dock]

Well close to it at least

[terse sundial]

so around that value

[zealous ridge]

ah, its 99% dr

[winter hazel]

Idk but the fight takes like over 30 mins

[hardy dock]

Yeah so no reason to make it more insane

[patent nimbus]

maybe they meant enraged with demonshade?

[terse sundial]

the enrage is meant to be a deterrence for player's attempting to cheese the fight

It was never intended for player's to go out of their way to beat it

(regardless that's still really impressive that you did that)

[zealous ridge]

nah i think it meant the out of arena enrage lol

i know even less about demonshade enrage

that's what the context of the discussion has been

(out of arena enrage)

[cobalt pewter]

Regarding the hit sound thing, I believe that whether something being organic / inorganic shouldn't need to be looked at wiki at all times, especially since stuff can deal higher dmg based on whether smth is organic or inorganic

[hollow sierra]

drew's wing doesn't need to become like tracers, drew's wings needs the same kind of spice elysian wings were given

and then we need auric wings

and blood flare wings and god slayer wings, because you're almost forced to run tracers with those sets

[simple fog]

auric suggestions are a no I believe The other 2 are viable for wing suggestions

[hollow sierra]

yeah, its unfortunate that rule is there in this case

[simple fog]

Well, just realize all the stuff that is made with auric bars and why that tier is very full

[hollow sierra]

i think there's room for wings

[simple fog]

and drew's wings are essentially auric wings since they are a post-yharon drop, much like auric ore is post-yharon as well

[hollow sierra]

they're not auric wings in that they give no synergy with auric armor, like almost every other wing does with some set in calamity

[simple fog]

Drew's wings could get their own unique functionality but honestly, I don't think they need it, the extra wing time suffices

oh trust me, auric wing synergy with auric armor does not need to happen

[hollow sierra]

i think the sugg comes from wanting to make drew's wings match tracers in the benefits it gives, slightly higher flight stats isn't comparable to angel treads

[simple fog]

also in theory: You could use silva wings in the SCal fight, switch to silva armor to revive to half hp with the bonus and then use auric armor, that's something viable to do

[hollow sierra]

i don't even think you nee to give auric wings some crazy effect, just give it the effects of its 4 component wings

2 of which dont exist currently

[simple fog]

That would be very unbalanced

[hollow sierra]

fairly balanced compared to the benefits of angel treads and tracer's extra iFrames

and calling that unbalanced is like calling auric armor itself unbalanced

[simple fog]

like, after we're done flattening the postml curve for weapons, so having auric wings have the ability of 4 other postml wings would be a bit....much

[hollow sierra]

auric armor has the set bonus of its 4 component sets

[simple fog]

Even if you take the tarragon and silva wing bonus and half their effect to put into 1 wing, that's really strong

and this isn't including bloodflare wings (which would be some sort of healing) and godslayer wings (which might be some form of revival or bonus damage upon revival)

Well, SCal is balanced around auric armor sort-of, adding auric wings into the mix is just a no

[hollow sierra]

i think the idea there was when talking about godslayer wings a few weeks ago was to halve/remove the negative effect of godslayer cooldowm

or shorten the cooldown a bit

[cobalt pewter]

Since Scal is planned to be reworked with her resprite anyway, maybe rebrand auric so that her balance isn't centered around essentially 4 armor sets?

Rebrand as in not making auric just a cheap mix of all pml armor sets

[simple fog]

Auric armor isn't going to change

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow sierra]

i could see perhaps putting auric after scal when yharim puts dev items behind him

[simple fog]

Auric armor is meant to be that strong given its endgame

[cobalt pewter]

But at least like, give it different visuals

Like

[simple fog]

Auric armor will be used on yharim (I believe, not 100%), but demonshade can also be used (post scal)

Do realize yharim's still going to whoop your ass though regardless

[cobalt pewter]

Idk, why does auric still have buff icons and set bonus minions like previous armors

When everything with the set can be at the very least reskinned to make it less cheap

[hollow sierra]

but the issue remains that tracers are the dominant choice for most players

and i don't think bloodflare and godslayer wings are a problem to add

but trying to wrap it up into auric wings that are somehow balanced in of themselves and comparable to celestial tracers is a problem

[simple fog]

It's just the inherited effect for balance feedzuh, the scal fight is difficult as it is

Though with c tracers giving proper iframes now, it does become a little easier, also bloodflare+godslayer wings don't need to happen

[hollow sierra]

so what wings would you use with those sets currently

[simple fog]

If it does happen by chance since I'm not a dev, it's not going to make an auric wing, I'm nigh certain on this

for auric I use c tracers or silva, really scal fight is about precision rather than flight time

[hollow sierra]

for bloodflare and godslayer

[simple fog]

ah, well you'd just use seraph tracers and elysian tracers respectively

[hollow sierra]

exactly

[simple fog]

I really don't see the need at all to add those 2 wings

[hollow sierra]

it doesn't add up that tarragon and silva have wings but bloodflare and godslayer doesn't

[simple fog]

It is odd but it's just like that, I'd have to ping a dev for more input on it

[hollow sierra]

it's strange that you get elysian wings before you can even make tarragon wings

and need to save them for so many bosses

[simple fog]

It just works at its current state

[ashen warren]

you're not supposed to get new wings every time you get new gear

that's just not how wing balance works

[hollow sierra]

i dunno, i'm not happy with the most-ml wing meta at all

[ashen warren]

and what do you mean by so many bosses

it's like 3 bosses

besides sentinels which barely count

[hollow sierra]

it just seems like it makes the most sense to have a pair to accompany each set, the tracers as a sidegrade option if you can't let go of angel tread benefits, and some wildcards for niche strategies, eg elysian and drew

[cobalt pewter]

Me when

Me when there are wings for dae reaver and hydro armors

😳

[ashen warren]

me when

me when there are multiple bosses in between those gears

[cobalt pewter]

Hardmode is compact as shit

[hollow sierra]

cobalt wings

[ashen warren]

yeah what's next, wings for every hm ore set

why are there no hallow wings ://///

[hollow sierra]

probably not going that far when hm set bonuses aren't that interesting

post ml is like a different game entirely

[ashen warren]

not really

[proper grail]

There are far too many early hardmode wings

Leaf, Frost, Pixie . . .

[ashen warren]

blame vanilla

[hollow sierra]

i feel like calamity does a decent job trying to tier them a bit

1.4 did aswell i think?

[ashen warren]

not really

[hollow sierra]

yeah some of them were moved to post mechas

[simple fog]

1.4 just applied a lot of wing nerfs afaik

[simple fog]

I didn't know you had it in you Ben

[radiant meadow]

I suggested

dunno what you expected

[simple fog]

well I did not know that so this changes things

[radiant meadow]

#suggestions-voting message (powerful)

[terse sundial]

does anyone have any objections to this

[simple fog]

no and also I upvoted that sugg

[violet dagger]

Silly squrrl

[simple fog]

reason: funny emote I'm sold

[terse sundial]

would anyone get mad if I sent it to voting right now

[violet dagger]

No

[terse sundial]

because tbh good emote

[simple fog]

no but can I send it to voting

[sturdy geyser]

i will suggest to remove every emote except dimensional interloper

[ashen warren]

I'd get mad yeah

[sturdy geyser]

i will get mad

I will rage

[violet dagger]

[ashen warren]

wtf

I'm mad now

[terse sundial]

good

[simple fog]

I wanted to do it Merk smh

[radiant meadow]

dev privileges

[simple fog]

this is bias, I'm reporting to the admin of this server

[radiant meadow]

Merk is too busy being badmin

[violet dagger]

[terse sundial]

~~no it comes from bias towards ~~

[sturdy geyser]

fuming rn

[terse sundial]

and also termi is pretty cool

[sturdy geyser]

bouta post feels chungus emote

your argument?

[simple fog]

please don't

[sturdy geyser]

destroyed.

[ashen warren]

just LET ME destroy you

[simple fog]

feelschungus is going to turn into peepoweird

[ashen warren]

[sturdy geyser]

i might even start

peepoweirding

[simple fog]

I think the scal moon would be a good emote

[ashen warren]

wegud more like

the most passive aggressive emote

[radiant meadow]

scal moon is basically

[violet dagger]

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

:pogu: letsfuckinggoooooo

[unreal viper]

Don’t add letsfuckinggo

[sturdy geyser]

[unreal viper]

Ugly as shite emote

Easily replaceable by far better ones

[ashen warren]

shut the fuck up

[whole sedge]

at least it's not as bad as peepoweird

[unreal viper]

Denial.

[frozen hornet]

I agree

[ashen warren]

[unreal viper]

Anger.

[hot zephyr]

Another generic emote

With the dupes, they at least had the classic and Calamity variants

We already have , and

[cobalt pewter]

pogfish is kinda

Shit

ngl

[ashen warren]

yes

[hot zephyr]

I think it's neat

[cobalt pewter]

And cal versions of emotes are generally worse than their original counterparts

[simple fog]

Misi you should suggest one of your arsenal of questionable emotes

[cobalt pewter]

No offense to the artists

[hot zephyr]

[cobalt pewter]

But the cal emotes just wouldn't compare most of the time

[ashen warren]

no I don't want my emotes to go through an insufferable death

[simple fog]

oh yeah that's a thing

[cobalt pewter]

is probably my favorite cal emote

[unreal viper]

Moment

[hot zephyr]

[radiant meadow]

is good

It still has all the essense of hueh but it's bandit

[frail mantle]

no offense taken when i already piss on the ones i made constantly

[sand umbra]

wait what the--
how did an emote sugg sneak in between my sugg and the sugg after

what

how (how)

[tawny garden]

By being approved instantly through abuse of power

[sand umbra]

what a scam

[tawny garden]

ikr

[frail mantle]

dare i say... mod abuse?

[tawny garden]

nah, merk abuse

[sand umbra]

bruhhh

[gray nebula]

wait is that rly the providence distance indicator

just making you blind if you're too far

would be cool if she had a visible halo thing à la fargo

[heady storm]

It is, and it is also annoying to hell.

[ashen warren]

I just have such an issue with it because

Im quite literally having to establish distance every single second to not lose 200 HP in one go

And with the guardians, you're forced to back up A LOT

And just suddenly getting blinded for even half a second can get your character more crispy than ice in a deep fryer

[earnest cape]

pogu indeed

[glass sentinel]

this is literally eternity mode

lmao

[sharp prism]

eternity mode but crispy

[glass sentinel]

mhm

[hot zephyr]

It literally double punishes characters; accidentally stepping into it not only hurts you but blinds you guaranteeing a second hit.

[gray nebula]

I thought it was smth like progressively darker as you get far

even then its kinda not the clearest indicator

especially for new players that might not realise its significance

[tawny garden]

nope lol

[gray nebula]

wiki game so we can add obscure mechanics with equally as obscure telegraphs

[heady storm]

Mobile does the funny.

[gray nebula]

people asking for a clear way to tell the distance of prov's damage effect but the way to tell its in effect is to go outside

[tawny garden]

Fucking

Discord you suck

[eternal escarp]

google is dying actually, so uhh

[tranquil perch]

à la fargo
yes

[brittle nexus]

It only damages you when it is at about full opacity.

It was a bug a few updates ago that it started damaging you right whe the effect started

[cobalt pewter]

It's still a non-descriptive telegraph imo

[earnest cape]

she should have a circle around her

[sharp prism]

imo the shader should be get a more intense orange/blue the farther away you are

[cobalt pewter]

Or if making a mega ring around provi is not preferred, just create a ring around the player when provi is cocooned, the ring is smaller the farther the player is from her, and once the ring is overlapped by the player they'll start taking Holy Inferno dmg

[sharp prism]

so fargo's

[tawny garden]

just

make the character fade out and be further and further away from the center of the screen

[zealous ridge]

could also have it that providence is not as likely to be offscreen

but honestly a ring would work fine

I was completely unaware that she made you blind when you got too far away

That’s actually so bad

a Fargo’s solution would probably be the most similar to what we have now without as much bullshit

[hot zephyr]

If the Auric Slimes don't have mini yharim helmets I'm going to riot

[zealous ridge]

auric ore renewability again

Very nice

yes yharim slimes

you know i would actually hate that please don’t lmao

slimes are the easy way out every time and I don’t like them they STUPID

:(((((

[pine star]

Mini Yharim helmets though

[zealous ridge]

pain

[bold wave]

Again? When was the last one posted?

[zealous ridge]

let’s make everything endgame be an allusion to yharim because muh lore

well, I don’t know when the last one was posted

It’s just been talked about a few times

like, i don’t think it’s a blue check or invalid

I’d have to check

Last bluechecked suggestion of this nature was June this year

so I think that would be a blue check

[worthy lintel]

It’s not really invalid because it’s actually true, though this sugg is spammed a bit

Might aswell just make Yharon drop Auric ore because huh

Yes

[zealous ridge]

yea i don’t think it would be invalid at all

[worthy lintel]

[sleek turret]

Make Golden Crates drop Auric post-Yharon so we can incentive fishing.

[zealous ridge]

I just mean it would be a blue check because of the auric slime sugg which also got a blue check

ehh

Fishing is a decent thing I guess

[worthy lintel]

Fuck Fishing™️

[zealous ridge]

I don’t know if I’d like it that much

[sleek turret]

More reasons to fish.

[zealous ridge]

well it’s just that fishing is boring