suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

Also this is a future content suggestion.

[simple fog]

kind of want to mention my sugg as by me again but I won't

[cobalt pewter]

lmao

[tranquil perch]

Ping me when u wanna talk about my suggestion, thanks

[golden narwhal]

It'd also add a new "material bloat" item tbh

[sturdy geyser]

ores aren't really material bloat imo

[crude geode]

^

[cobalt pewter]

Hallowed Ore, yes yes, we Thorium now

[sturdy geyser]

but in this case, it wouldbe

[crude geode]

Exactly

[sturdy geyser]

thorium doesn't add hallowed ore iirc

[golden narwhal]

Yea, normal ores are fine

[sturdy geyser]

hallowed ore is juts why

farming mechs isn't too bad

[simple fog]

Wow, look at that sugg that just made it there

Pretty rad

[cobalt pewter]

Isn't Thorium the one who made hallowed ore spawn after beating a mech?

[golden narwhal]

AA

[crude geode]

Farming mechs is completely different from farming ML, and also is also future content.

[cobalt pewter]

Ohhh

Fuck me

[sturdy geyser]

no thanks

[simple fog]

It was AA and they did an ok job at it, they did the same thing for luminite postML

[cobalt pewter]

Oh wai-

I mean yeah then it's AA

[golden narwhal]

they didn't tbh, there was a massive overabundance, byea

[simple fog]

it was which is why I had to edit

Hallowed ore was everywhere you looked, luminite was there but less

[cobalt pewter]

AA was pain to watch, but that's not the topic

[crude geode]

The suggestion should prolly be exclaimed tbh

[sturdy geyser]

itd replace the grinding with a different method of grinding

[simple fog]

@zenith hazel input on the hallowed ore sugg for mechs?

[sturdy geyser]

that is less efficient

[crude geode]

You don’t need to farm Hallowed Bars nearly as much as Luminite, and you do need to fight all 3 mech bosses Anyways.

[zenith hazel]

hallowed ore is already planned, sorta

[crude geode]

oh no

[sturdy geyser]

fearbruh

[tawny garden]

why tho

[simple fog]

Ah, so should the sugg be ! or just allow it?

[crude geode]

Future content

[golden narwhal]

The reasoning is invalid because future stuff

[tawny garden]

well if it is future content

[sturdy geyser]

also how much luminite ore does moon lord drop in calamity?

[tawny garden]

yeah

[simple fog]

120-160?

It's less than 200

[tawny garden]

but before that what reason did you have for it being invalid?

[crude geode]

That was precisely the reason it was invalid.

It was based off the logic of ML dropping Luminite Ore underground, in the changelogs, for a future update.

[tawny garden]

ah right I for some reason thought that already happens

[crude geode]

~~bruh moment ~~

[simple fog]

I'll ! it then based on what Brav said of it already being a wip sort of

[crude geode]

Tbh I don’t really see the purpose of Hallowed Ore. especially since calamity removed things like bloodletting essence and maneater bulbs.

[tawny garden]

to make Hallowed Bars obviously duh.

[crude geode]

ah yes of course

I’m still waiting for someone to eventually end up making a suggestion to nerf Storm Weaver, and argue about it

[sturdy geyser]

i will make a suggestion to buff storm weaver

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not confident in suggesting boss balance tbh 😳

[crude geode]

Boss Balance is tricky.

especially when it’s recent changes to a boss, like storm weaver

people’s first instinct is to call the boss nonsensical and impossible, especially if it has seemingly random parts to it, but after things have calmed down it’s easy to Star recognizing some patterns.

[golden narwhal]

me when OD

[pine star]

yeah

Storm Weaver was honestly a joke for me

I first tried it

[radiant meadow]

@hot zephyr It's a little hard to decrease something below 1 without making it 0. Perhaps you should say increase the yield of the crafting recipes instead?

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe they meant that ye

[hot zephyr]

That's what I was inferring

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe inverse the title

[hot zephyr]

Fixed

[cobalt pewter]

So that it'd say "yield more whatever block you need"

[radiant meadow]

👍

[tranquil perch]

Now that i think about it

SW could just drop cosmilite instead of armored shells

[hot zephyr]

No

[cobalt pewter]

wh

No

That's like

[hot zephyr]

SW is way before DoG

[cobalt pewter]

Broken

[tranquil perch]

Because post dog stuff is locked behind forge

[hot zephyr]

Unless you meant the Sentinels would drop cosmilite after DoG

[cobalt pewter]

Not really

[tranquil perch]

Which requires ASE

[cobalt pewter]

Some items can be crafted with cosmilite and ancient manip

[hot zephyr]

But that kinda invalidates the purpose; might as well fight DoG over again

[cobalt pewter]

Like ASGARDIAN AEGIS YEET

[hot zephyr]

Elysian tracers

[cobalt pewter]

It requires valor, elysian and Cosmilite Bars on Ancient Manip

[tranquil perch]

then just move them over to forge

[hot zephyr]

[cobalt pewter]

The point is that

[radiant meadow]

yeah, the point is that you are supposed to craft them before the events

[cobalt pewter]

Ancient Manip crafting gives you a bit better gear to fight buffed moons

[crude geode]

Magnetic meltdown pog

[tranquil perch]

fair enough ig

[crystal iron]

I'm gonna do one more when the timer goes down

[sleek hornet]

those weps are called "Active summoner weapon"

[crystal iron]

Oh ye

I'll change it then

[crude geode]

iirc, the reason why summoner doesn’t have more weapons like borealis bomber is due to it becoming more like discount mage then.

Borealis Bomber, iirc, is regarded as a mistake.

[distant gyro]

3/4 active summoner weapons are mistakes

rusty beacon, borealis, flamsteed (kinda)

[crude geode]

I’m gonna drop this here as I think it’s very valuable #suggestions-discussion message

[pine star]

which one isn't the mistake?

[distant gyro]

flamsteed is a mistake in that the best build for it is a stealth build (lol)

exaltation

[unreal viper]

Rusty beacon?

[crude geode]

What about the ice legendary?

[distant gyro]

i didn't consider cold div and endo active

but i guess they could be

[crude geode]

Cold Divinity I consider fairly active. It’s pretty similar to Exaltation.

Endo Nah.

[distant gyro]

you have to hotswap a bajillion times to beat br but that's just br being br

[crude geode]

Mhm

[distant gyro]

[pine star]

[crude geode]

Personally I would like to see more “active summoner weapons” like Exaltation and Cold Div

[pine star]

same

[crude geode]

They’re not Borealis Bomber, which is just a magic weapon with summon damage slapped on it, but they’re not really awful like rusty beacon either.

[pine star]

Thomas even straight up outlined that the core problem with summoner is that it is literally "dodge, and your goons do everything for you"

[crude geode]

Personally, I really would like to see Nimbus Staff swapped to summoner, with the duration maybe lowered. It doesn’t fit magic too well, but fits summoner well as a “temporary summon.”

[distant gyro]

temporary summon is basically magic

[crude geode]

yes but there’s already comparisons of summoner being mage but with longer lasting projectiles

[distant gyro]

which is lol

minions are just mage weapons that last 5 million years

[pine star]

I would also like it to be that way

The nimbus rod thing, that is

But sadly, it can't be done

Like we can't make a sugg for it

[crude geode]

[pine star]

[sleek girder]

[simple fog]

oddly specific suggestion

I don't know if a suggestion overflow is an issue right now but it could be so I can be wrong

[proper grail]

Took a trip through suggestion voting, there's an absolute ton of suggestions hovering in the 160-190 range that just got buried

Also it's mostly the same people posting

[sleek turret]

dude my suggestion got stuck at 195.

had to repost it.

[golden narwhal]

@ feedza

[proper grail]

Exactly. This would help to reduce the amount of total posts

Meaning less reposts and an easier time finding good suggestions

[proper grail]

Exactly lol

[sleek turret]

actually posting too much suggestions causes to make actually fundamentally good suggestions to be flooded by other new suggestions.

[cobalt pewter]

[sleek turret]

thats why I enter when someone posted a suggestion 15 after mine.

[proper grail]

I'd say the limit should be 2-4 per week, lower if possible

[golden narwhal]

Me when 1 sugg a week not that it'd affect me

[sleek turret]

me when 1 sugg per milenia

[proper grail]

Exactly. This will only check the suggestion spammers

[golden narwhal]

(the problem arises when fundamentally good suggs are the ones flooding sugg channels tbh)

[proper grail]

But overall, all are in favor?

[golden narwhal]

Ye

[sleek turret]

when too much good gets flooded by the other good suggestions making it to reason a very good suggestion for almost like, uhh, 3+ days at all.

[sand umbra]

mm

not sure how I feel about this

[distant gyro]

if you're smart enough you'd know that posting many sugs in a row flushes your chances as well, and no one wants to do that

[sand umbra]

2-4 a day max is fine but 2-4 a week feels almost like it's working against a very specific demographic

i.e. pretty much every suggestion regular there is

[proper grail]

But people get lost in the moment when they get an idea, and leads to an ignorance of that principal

[cobalt pewter]

2-4 a week is absurdly restrictive ye

[pine star]

Maybe 8-10 a week?

[sand umbra]

...I don't think you realize just how long a week is in mod dev time

[rustic frigate]

or just

in normal time

[golden narwhal]

I mean, I dunno anyone who already does more than 2 a day (don't think feedza does, at least regularly )

[proper grail]

It's restrictive yes. Purposely so. But again, I didn't put a number in my suggestion, 2-4 is just a private thought

[sand umbra]

even just in normal time it's a long time

but in mod dev time that's like a month

[violet dagger]

remember the time thomas hit the "sugg limit"

[rustic frigate]

a week on paper seems short but feels unbearablylong when you want to do something

[sand umbra]

^

[rustic frigate]

its probably the worst feeling

[cobalt pewter]

Plus you don't need to tell me to limit my own sugg, I already limited myself to 3 suggs in posting

[proper grail]

Again, it's up to the mods to be reasonable. I understand how you all feel lol, a week can be hell

[rustic frigate]

i support a limit on suggestions,yes

[cobalt pewter]

[rustic frigate]

but a week

is too far

[violet dagger]

no its not how about 1 sugg a millenium

[sand umbra]

2-3 a day sounds reasonable if you want my two cents on it

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah 3 suggs in posting is my rule of thumb

[rustic frigate]

^

1 a day?

[zenith hazel]

1-2 imho

would reduce flooding in voting by a fuck ton so that people complain less about their suggs being drowned out and not gain stars

we've brought this up before, thoughts on this? @hollow shell

I want to shove discord through a god damn wall

[rustic frigate]

yes

[violet dagger]

yes

bruh this is stupid

its only this server

[proper grail]

It's over? Thank god

[sand umbra]

so I'm not the only one that spent a solid 10 minutes unable to talk

cool

[rustic frigate]

so did i

[proper grail]

Everyone

[sleek turret]

Finally.

[sand umbra]

alright well any momentum I had in explaining my stance on this is gone
le poggere

[proper grail]

As I was going to say

Day or week works. I didn't put an example number in the suggestion for a reason, so cool yourselves and just relax. The mods know what they're doing

I copied it :)

[sand umbra]

why was it only this server

[rustic frigate]

^

[cobalt pewter]

idk

[rustic frigate]

thats my question

[proper grail]

I have no clue

[sand umbra]

cringe

[cobalt pewter]

Discord hates this server specifically ig idk

[rustic frigate]

yharim is ddosing us

[zenith hazel]

alright back to the main point

it is kinda problematic when practically 25% of the suggs in voting are made by one person

regardless of quality

[cobalt pewter]

fuck

[proper grail]

I made a genuinely useful suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

Gotta say if limit would ever happen, best time to implement it is with star re-eval

[dapper coral]

brav and i brought this up to rover a little while ago, he said that a star req reeval would happen soon™️

[cobalt pewter]

Epic

[proper grail]

Perfect timing!

[cobalt pewter]

Been almost 4 months without change in stars hm

[dapper coral]

last was in august or something, huh
not counting the star req lowering for server suggs, it has been quite a while

[rustic frigate]

frigid bar

moment

[unreal viper]

Frigid bar

[cobalt pewter]

Frigid Bar momentum

[proper grail]

Too right

[cobalt pewter]

Frigid Bar is used for 8 items, 2 ammo types, and 1 armor set (Frost)

[rustic frigate]

cyro is already used for a armour set

[cobalt pewter]

Generally a bit more expanded than fooking Enchanted Metal

[violet dagger]

frost armor thing can go

ammo types perma frost

[proper grail]

Frost Armor was fine with Tier 3 Hardmode metals+Frost Cores

[violet dagger]

items permafrost also probably?

[cobalt pewter]

Kelvin needs to go through donor first prolly

[rustic frigate]

those items

[cobalt pewter]

But others can be changed or removed off Frigid

[rustic frigate]

are weapons seal

most weapons

[cobalt pewter]

Ice Barrage can have the bars removed

Temporal Floe can probably be replaced with Spectre Bars and Frost Cores instead of Frigid Bars and Ectoplasm

[sand umbra]

ngl Cryonic Bars shouldn't be as connected to Cryo as they are

[rustic frigate]

w-

they are called CYRONIC BARS

[sand umbra]

cool fact:

they weren't always called that

they were once called Verstaltite, a much cooler and more appropriate title for what all preexisting writing on it implies to have been Daedalus' primary material for his field of work

[violet dagger]

rename it to verstaltite

[proper grail]

Yes

[sand umbra]

"but they only spawn on Cryo defeat"
yeah and I'm saying that's stupid because it completely defeats the point of all implications towards it being a metal that Daedalus used

[rustic frigate]

daedalus just beat cyrogen

wdym

😎

[proper grail]

Cryo means Ice, yet Cryonic makes crystal items?

[rustic frigate]

^

thats a fair point

[sand umbra]

that's another thing I wanted to point out

[rustic frigate]

daedlus shit is all crystals

cyronic bars ALSO have crystals IN THE SPRITE

[sand umbra]

Cryo unlocks a lot of cold stuff so you'd expect a metal that gens post-Cryo to craft cold stuff

[dapper blaze]

OKAY

[sand umbra]

and then you get that metal and it doesn't even work

it just makes some meme crystalline shit that could believably pass for Hallow equipment if mildly resprited or recolored since Crystal Shards exist

never mind the fact that Cryonic equipment theming is inconsistent as all mother fuck
half of it is sky-themed, half of it is based on the cold, and half of it still is based on crystals
where's the consistent theme

[proper grail]

Thomas. Compile those thoughts, and make a suggestion

[rustic frigate]

^

[proper grail]

@sand umbra

[sand umbra]

yeeeeeeees

[proper grail]

^

Look above

[sand umbra]

have you been spacing out for the past 10 minutes while I type in suggposting

and so it is done

[proper grail]

Every time I looked the writing box was empty lol

[sand umbra]

bruh

can't wait for some nerd to just materialize out of thin air when they never would otherwise specifically to tell me that this is against some sort of really obscure rule that I missed in the like a dozen times I've read the suggrules doc

I am convinced at this point that if I keep makin' this joke it will continue to not happen and thus I will continue to avoid havin' to argue with other people for an hour
not because I don't find it interestin' but because I have other shit to do

[jovial spire]

I very much approve of this suggestion

[sand umbra]

[jovial spire]

thats something that indeed bothers me as a big lore person

[sand umbra]

I originally hadn't come in here to make a sugg but then I realized that Cryonic metal in its current state is like hella cringe thematically and lore-wise

and I was like "wait a minute"

"this is prime suggestion material and nobody ever talks about it"

"welp, it's free real estate"
so now this sugg exists

actually though I'm honestly surprised this hasn't come up before

[jovial spire]

same here ngl

[proper grail]

^

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not a big one on cal lore but like

Ye

Darkecho is like the first outlier that made me notice

[zealous ridge]

okay, i can get behind this

why exactly verstaltite, if i may ask?

[cobalt pewter]

Cryonic's original name I presume

[zealous ridge]

it doesnt exactly mean much to me, but if theres something im missing, please remind me

yes, im aware of that

i just mean, what about it makes it feel like it would lend itself more to daedalus

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe because it's versatile?

[zealous ridge]

well, its not exactly spelled correctly

but i agree its at least similar sounding

if im honest it doesnt sound very interesting either

it reminds me of cruptix

which was also a wacky name

and perennial is also odd, but at least its an actual term and it fits in some fashion

considering its a nature-themed ore

[cobalt pewter]

Chlorophyte momentum

[zealous ridge]

it is pretty much post-plant chlorophyte

it makes me wonder

if there will be any plans to overhaul the other two hardmode helmet armors

[cobalt pewter]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous ridge]

or even just the sets in general

i would like that

[radiant meadow]

time for Draedon bars

[jovial spire]

oh god

you've brought back memories

[zealous ridge]

mhm

dont even fucking remind me

ueliace

meldiate

[jovial spire]

remember when all ores spawned on worldgen so it was impossible to make helavators

[zealous ridge]

fuck yeah

[jovial spire]

or when uelibloom was locked behind PBG

[zealous ridge]

perrenial behind slime god

[jovial spire]

DoG was purple destroyer

[zealous ridge]

well i didnt play back that far

[jovial spire]

scal didnt have an area

she had border infernados

[zealous ridge]

yea

[sand umbra]

PURPLE DESTROYER

PURPLE DESTROYER

[zealous ridge]

one more, there was the fucking crimsaber

[simple fog]

Can draedon bars be a thing though

[jovial spire]

i mean

technically

[simple fog]

“A highly mechanized bar infused with power”

[jovial spire]

that's just auric tesla and cosmolite

[zealous ridge]

i mean probably not related to perennial if they will exist

[sand umbra]

Draedon Bars
dropped by Draedon
used to make Draedon-themed gear

100% real spoiler

[zealous ridge]

ok

[sand umbra]

yes

[simple fog]

Spoiler: Thomas has been removed from the game goodbye

[jovial spire]

both auric and cosmolite could be classified as draedon bars

[zealous ridge]

new draedon's arsenal weapons crafted with draedon bar

[sand umbra]

thanks for that actually

been needing a break from this game's tomfuckery for a while

[simple fog]

Update: he has been added back into the game

[sand umbra]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[simple fog]

math error

[zealous ridge]

5 second removal

[jovial spire]

[zealous ridge]

anyways

[violet dagger]

[zealous ridge]

verstaltie

why do u think it fits, thomas

the name i mean

[sand umbra]

Verstaltite is more unique, more appropriate given that Daedalus used it for a wide variety of items (it can be portrayed as a corruption of the word "versatile"), and doesn't just sound like a generic metal that needed to exist because people were too lazy to design actual crafts for pre-existing mats

[zealous ridge]

okay

agreeably better than cryonic, ill concede on this

[sand umbra]

(to explain the last one a bit better, I know that's not why Cryonic metal/Verstaltite exists because I'm pretty sure it predates Frigid Bars but that's what it feels like)

[zealous ridge]

it does indeed predate them

by a very long time

[sand umbra]

ebpic

that would also explain why Frigid Bars have no purpose

[zealous ridge]

verstaltite, to me, doesnt make much sense either

frigid bars have purpose

theyre used for cosmolight

[sand umbra]

they make like half an item

[zealous ridge]

well, they make a bit more than that but your point is taken

they are pretty bad

[sand umbra]

actually wait no my mistake

[zealous ridge]

a sort of sorry excuse to be an alternative hellstone, when an ice themed bar already exists

[sand umbra]

they make:

2 ammunition types

and Moonlight

[zealous ridge]

arctic arrow and frostspark i guess

[simple fog]

Frigid bars can go tbh I don’t know why they are here when cryonic bars exist

[sand umbra]

and then a variety of items that don't matter

[zealous ridge]

kelvin

i agree it doesnt matter

[simple fog]

Kelvin Is post cryo anyways

[sand umbra]

Cryonic metal is worse than Frigid Bars in terms of whether or not it needs to exist

[simple fog]

Armor though

And life alloys

[zealous ridge]

really i could say frigid is worse

[sand umbra]

would it kill people to make some actual goddamn crafts for Frigid Bars

[zealous ridge]

at least cryonic is a real ore

i dont know, i feel like one or the other should exist

and i would choose to axe frigid if it came to it

[simple fog]

Frigid is worse to me also removing cryonic most likely won’t happen due to the worldgen tied to it also and it’s significant in life alloys

[sand umbra]

worldgen tied to it

[simple fog]

Frigid is just only cryo drops but feels like bloat

[sand umbra]

it's like half an ore gen pass

[zealous ridge]

i dont know what you mean by that

[sand umbra]

don't even come at me with that, ore gen is like the easiest thing in the universe to program when it comes to worldgen

[zealous ridge]

well i mean its not even the difficulty

thats not what i felt from it

[simple fog]

I just don’t see cryonic being removed it feels a bit much but frigid looks perfect to do, just my take

[sand umbra]

...perhaps I should clarify

Verstaltite does not need to be post-Cryo

[zealous ridge]

this is very true

the suggestion points this out

[sand umbra]

and in fact it would greatly benefit from not being post-Cryo and instead having some other condition to it that makes more sense
this would also give Frigid Bars a place as an actual post-Cryo mat and maybe let them get some actual crafts/purposes (maybe make it not a bar also)

[simple fog]

Ah

[zealous ridge]

frost moon omegalul

what would this sort of condition be, do you think?

nothing comes to mind initially

[sand umbra]

haven't thought too much into it. I don't do a lot of Calamity theoreticals these days

[zealous ridge]

...unless you want to do something with the lab/ice tomb in there

[sand umbra]

ice tomb got axed in favor of tundra bio lab

[zealous ridge]

thats what i mean

the bio lab has a zone in it thats like, a ruins

[sand umbra]

...OOO
I REMEMBER NOW

okay

I remember a discussion we had similar to this before

[zealous ridge]

which serves as an ice tomb, yeah

[sand umbra]

it was about replacin' Ice Tomb, actually

[zealous ridge]

was this pre-draedon?

or, rather, pre rust and dust

[sand umbra]

this was pre-R&D, yeah

[zealous ridge]

yeah

the planetoid got a similar fate

[sand umbra]

I remember this very clearly now

[zealous ridge]

as did the underworld shrine, if i recall

would love to see more done with them

[sand umbra]

planetoid wasn't really removed, moreso just expanded upon

iirc

[zealous ridge]

well, its a lab now

is moreso what i mean

[sand umbra]

Underworld shrine and Ice Tomb were straight-up replaced tho

[zealous ridge]

these structures were not initially inherent to draedon, but now they kind of are

[jovial spire]

god ol draedon

[zealous ridge]

anyways, labs would do great for some extra stuff in them

[jovial spire]

"You see a robot that's made of soemthing other than Wulfrum? Blame Draedon."

[zealous ridge]

not really items, but just ideas

i spoke a little while ago about separating the spread of the plague from golem's death

and instead tying the plague's release to the jungle lab

[sand umbra]

plague is mega forced rn

[zealous ridge]

mega forced?

[sand umbra]

it's just kinda not there for most of the game and it's only relevant for 2 and a half seconds
which is depressing because it's one of the most interesting things Calamity has to offer conceptually

[zealous ridge]

kind of

[distant gyro]

make plague triggered via breaching the jungle lab iirc

[sand umbra]

I should make a sugg about the plague eventually

anywho

[distant gyro]

"whoops I touched this canister in the lab everyone is infected now"

[simple fog]

Sounds like the start to a budget horror film

[zealous ridge]

not even that, what i was thinking was more the plague is dormant in a big tank with a bee larvae and youve gotta let the thing grow, usually it becomes fully grown post golem but you can speed up the process and make it trigger faster if you get like, devices to expediate the gestation yknow

[sand umbra]

PBG is not the sole harbinger of the plague though

[zealous ridge]

a soft post-golem lock, but you can make it happen faster if youre able

of course, thats not really meant to be the plaguebringer goliath

just a host for the contained plague

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

[sand umbra]

imo plague should be present throughout most of the game, although that's. a topic for

another time

[cobalt pewter]

197 stars

😳

[jovial spire]

lore would have to be changed in that case

[zealous ridge]

hrm

[sand umbra]

getting offtrack, and besides, my creative juices are flowing again so I can explain my concept for Verstaltite meme

[zealous ridge]

okay, please continue

[sand umbra]

so
going back to Verstaltite being not-necessarily-post-Cryo, the idea goes something like this
there's Verstaltite Scrap or something that exists in the UG Tundra but can't be mined without a sufficiently strong pickaxe
there's this ruined laboratory deep in the Tundra which you'd need a sufficiently powerful pickaxe to enter
once you get in there you can find blueprints and stuff for various Verstaltite items as well as a way to actually turn that Verstaltite Scrap into usable Verstaltite Bars
you could also potentially find some logs or journals or something relating to Daedalus' last weeks prior to the destruction of his city or something like that
it'd be similar to the Draedon lab thingies but like much less...intact, and made out of (ruined/charred/???) Verstaltite Brick or something (while I'm here: Cryonic Brick looks horrible)

just a concept, very rough draft
I'd have to actually try to iron this out if I wanted to go into more detail which would take. a bit of time, to say the least

[jovial spire]

fyi daedalus lore is being changed

[sand umbra]

now obviously I can't suggest this because it's specific as all motherfuck but it's a concept

[jovial spire]

might be some more clarification eventually™️

[sand umbra]

I mean we've known the lore is being changed

for quite some time

[jovial spire]

one thing that is know is that daedalus stuff is gonna be canonically happening way before draedona dn co

yeah btu not all of it

just a good chunk

[sand umbra]

doesn't mean it's happened or that we know anywhere near enough about it to work with it conceptually

(I intentionally kept this as a rough draft for that reason. it's a very versatile idea, quite like the metal it's for)

(that and I do not have the mental capacity to iron this out all the way at the moment, not by a long shot. Calamity things are not my forte nowadays)

anywho, that's about all I have to say as far as what exactly could be done
won't be adding it because 1) char limit and b) specificity but I wanted to throw my hat into the ring, so to speak

the big takeaway is that Cryonic metal is wack and thematically dissonant as fuck, and it should be changed

thank you and goodnight

🛫

[violet dagger]

gn

wait you flying without a callsign again

[cobalt pewter]

night tom

[hollow shell]

Hi I was pinged

We could limit suggs per person to 2 per day, if we feel that individuals suggesting too much is an issue

Also yeah I said I would do a star count documentation but then I forgot

so, I'll do that now

[tawny garden]

Mrrp already has the limit in his pin but nobody cares

[hollow shell]

That says "at a time"
which implies like, immediately consecutive

It doesn't say "per day"

[tawny garden]

Ah

[dapper coral]

woah mrrp has a pin, never knew

[tawny garden]

gg

[cobalt pewter]

2 suggs per day

Byeah

[tawny garden]

Also @ Rover limit Feedza to 1 sugg per day

[cobalt pewter]

shut

[ashen warren]

1 sug per week

[cobalt pewter]

Discrimination :feelsc

[tawny garden]

That's a rate limit

Rate limit != discrimination

[hollow shell]

Well I mean it technically is

It's just that it has a reason

[tawny garden]

[frozen storm]

I wish Gastric Belcher Staff's bubble home, cause his dps lack for fast and flying little eneimes like PBG and Pumpking

[cobalt pewter]

Gastric Belchers erase Golem

[hollow shell]

Likely cuz Golem isn't very mobile

[tawny garden]

nah

likely cuz Golem is Golem

[hollow shell]

Well yeah, Golem is Golem cuz he isn't very mobile

I was pointing out that specific aspect of him cuz Sans up there pointed out that PBG and Pumpking were fast flying enemies

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah there are other options vs those 2 no?

Resurrection Butterfly is mega solid

[hollow shell]

btw I did another star count stat spreadsheet
Here are the resulting graphs (two, for visibility purposes)

Current star req of 200 had a delivery rate of 15.3%

@dapper coral Here's this (sorry it's like a month after I said I'd do it)

[dapper coral]

nah it's all good

@zenith hazel you too

15.3 is a tad low innit?

[hollow shell]

It's a bit low yeah

Our ideal was 20 to 25% iirc

So if we wanted to put the effort into lowering to 180, we could do that

Or, because it's not that far off, we can just keep it as is

[dapper coral]

maybe it would be a good idea to see how lowering the number of suggs per day to like 1 or 2 would affect that, if at all

since it only requires a small change at worst

[hollow shell]

I now realize how often Feedzuh suggests

[dapper coral]

...yeah...

[heady storm]

Uh huh.

[dapper coral]

mans is here literally 24/7

(we love you feedza but this is for your own good)

[heady storm]

I need to catch up.

[dapper coral]

wait there are no feedza suggs in posting when was the last time this happened

[hollow shell]

Cursed Being, I Hate Sand, SolsticeUnlimited, Ian, Thomas, and Photonic0 are makin up for it, don't worry

... there are only two non-regular-people in posting
and one of them has two posts

[heady storm]

Calling out suggestion regulars.

[dapper coral]

eah

[heady storm]

So uh, star count might be lowered and official limit per day per person.

[dapper coral]

basically this proposed limit would affect feedzuh mainly, and the listed members a little bit too

[dapper coral]

and/or, might not need both

[heady storm]

Eyeah, that's true.

[simple fog]

I think that’s good, I had the thought that too many Suggs were being sent at once today but with this, 180 seems good

[hollow shell]

I would rather not lower it such a relatively subtle amount

cuz to me that just says it could come back up soon

Lot of people are still in finals week, after all

By Christmas we may see a surge in voters

[dapper coral]

yeah, that's what i was thinking
more people are gonna be at home real soon

[cobalt pewter]

Didn't rover say either lowering star req slightly or limiting suggs?

[cobalt pewter]

Not that common, but not impossible

[dapper coral]

wdym

[cobalt pewter]

Idk I just woke up

Byeah

If lowering stars isn't really preferable, maybe try limiting them suggs instead

[hollow shell]

If you're talkin about me saying that some point in the recent past that isn't now
then nah you're thinkin of somebody else

I've been kinda inactive

I would prefer not to change the req if we can avoid it

[cobalt pewter]

So maybe trying the sugg limit?

[hollow shell]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Alr

[simple fog]

Ah yeah that’s true Rover, winter break will be a good activity factor

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

only now you realize??

[cobalt pewter]

Rover was inactive

[crude geode]

Feedzuh suggests about as much as I Hate Sand and Thomas do combined sometimes.

[tawny garden]

Ihs doesn't even sugg that much

as compared to Tom

[earnest cape]

feedzuh is the fucking ruler of sugg posting

there's never a time where there isn't feedza's sugg

[tawny garden]

except rn

[earnest cape]

damn

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

I want to eventually go through all of the valid suggs since the star system was established and count how many of these were actually implemented

problem is

there are currently a grand total of 12911 suggs in voting

[eternal escarp]

holy

[tawny garden]

and god knows how many of these are (or, actually, were at the time) valid

[earnest cape]

I'd say only 3k of them reached the star limit

[eternal escarp]

well

[earnest cape]

most likely lower

byeah

[eternal escarp]

that would very much likely lead to alot of suggestions in the modmail box

[tawny garden]

1985 suggs since the bot system was put in place

[tawny garden]

less

[earnest cape]

yeah I thought so

[tawny garden]

also, here's a funny

about a third or a quarter (don't know the exact numbers, cause I'm speaking from experience only) of all implemented suggs were emote suggs

[ashen warren]

huh

[earnest cape]

oh no

[cobalt pewter]

@dull marlin format your sugg properly

Try checking other suggs above

[dull marlin]

ok bro

[tawny garden]

also read pins & stuff

[cobalt pewter]

You don't need to make a new sugg btw, editing is fine

[dull marlin]

i was waiting 10 mins couldnt you just tell me :/

[cobalt pewter]

You didn't ask

[dull marlin]

bru

[cobalt pewter]

And try toggling this off

[earnest cape]

ironic

[dull marlin]

ok

[eternal escarp]

prty sure its not a toggle, i forget alot which is sad

it should be a toggle tbh

[earnest cape]

you can toggle it but it doesn't stay in that state

[eternal escarp]

yeah i think thats what he meant

[cobalt pewter]

The whole sugg seems like a mess imo

Idk what to focus on

[heady storm]

This is all over the place yeah.

For the weapon side, Crystalline is absolutely pathetic. It does well in early game, but in hardmode, Prismalline is just too weak, there is almost NO use for it. Its upgrades aren't much better too, since they are just better options out there. To fix that, just buff Prismalline and its upgrades to make them viable, the concept of the weapon isn't bad at all, it's just not executed in the best of ways.
So Crystalline is "fine" until its upgrades aren't favorable to you?

[cobalt pewter]

I thought they're like, super spam oriented

[earnest cape]

Raider's Talisman only has one POST-ML upgrade, which is ridiculous considering the options of the other classes. To fix it, just add an upgrade to it earlier on, or just remove it, since it's only used in early game anyway
b-but mana flower

:traumatized:

[gray nebula]

and other jokes you can tell yourself

[earnest cape]

also yeah besides that I agree it's a bit messy

heuh

[cobalt pewter]

Rogue isn't weak as is inconsistent (at least with stealth)

[gray nebula]

yesterday it was summoner that was the weakest now its rogue

kindof awesome

[cobalt pewter]

Also hello DarkTiger36

[gray nebula]

just kill stealth and make it good

[glossy stone]

Okay I think I messed up a little...

[gray nebula]

like recycle stealth strike effects for special moves idk just not related to smth youd charge

[golden narwhal]

lacking accesories
Doesn't rogue have a shitton of accs

[gray nebula]

because its been proved countless times that atm stealth sucks and it rly cant be fixed

[cobalt pewter]

Not stealth :feelsca

[cobalt pewter]

Watch me

[gray nebula]

cant be removed because of all the stealth strike effects

[glossy stone]

But look, I played Rogue in 3 different runs, trying literally EVERYTHING

[earnest cape]

So far with my rogue playthrough the main problem or the main hiccups I've had was post golem pre Ml and post provi pre polterghast

[glossy stone]

Did I like it ?

[gray nebula]

so just keep the stealth strike effects as smth activaed via another condition

[glossy stone]

No

[gray nebula]

just not "haha dont attack to get it" because no one likes that

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not calling myself stealth rogue GOD for no reason

[heady storm]

Key statement there being if you specifically liked it or not.

[glossy stone]

I just wanted to share my feelings about it

[cobalt pewter]

iban throwing hot takes in front of my face smh....,..,,.,.,,

[glossy stone]

I genuinely never enjoyed Rogue...

[earnest cape]

but this is just a bit messy

[tawny garden]

He's entitled to do so

[glossy stone]

I don't want to create a "fuck rogue" movement, but yeah...

[golden narwhal]

Yea, it'd be best if you made multiple smaller suggs that are more specific on what's "bad"

[earnest cape]

^

[tawny garden]

same thing as yesterday

2 "rework a class" suggs on consecutive days

[cobalt pewter]

Sometimes iban can have rough time, and rough takes, and I can respect that

[tawny garden]

[glossy stone]

What was the other one ?

Summoner ?

[tawny garden]

ye

[proper grail]

Doesn't this count as an overarching suggestion?

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah sugg needs to be not super broadened and focus on one single thing

[glossy stone]

Summoner is perfectly fine

(imo)

[cobalt pewter]

E.g. crystalline upgrades

[glossy stone]

Well yeah, I think we should start here

[cobalt pewter]

Or whatever point in current sugg you want to focus on

[glossy stone]

Crystalline upgrades are not that good...

[cobalt pewter]

Just one at a time

[earnest cape]

honestly rewrite your sugg and focus only on one thing and you can make other suggs for other stuff

[dull marlin]

reaslly?

didnt know

sorry

[earnest cape]

ping ech

[glossy stone]

Well, I said what I wanted to say 'bout Crystalline here

Maybe I went a bit hard with it

[proper grail]

Like my suggestion for example. It's about buffing Summoner but I focused on RIVs only. Do it that way.

[earnest cape]

yeah I'm just asking you to make the sugg focus on one thing

if it's about crystalline then sure

[tawny garden]

just don't extrapolate from Crystalline to the whole fucking class

[glossy stone]

So quick question : do I delete my submission and rewrite it for Crystalline ?

[earnest cape]

might have to repost my sugg in the near future

[tawny garden]

you can just edit

[earnest cape]

^

on mobile just tap and hold in and slide upwards

[glossy stone]

I'm on PC but okay lol

[tawny garden]

lol

[earnest cape]

on pc hover over your message and there'll be a pencil on the right of your message

or just right click your message and click "edit"

[eternal escarp]

or just go to there, and press the up arrow

[golden narwhal]

If you're sugging to buff the upgrades or itself, gonna need kill times (or ping a tester to do it? Not sure how that works)

[tawny garden]

preferable to ping a tester

[earnest cape]

Oh yeah isn't weapon balance suggs a bit obsolete(currently)

since they're taking a look at the weapons etc

[glossy stone]

I didn't see anything about Crystalline upgrades tho :/

...yet

[tawny garden]

<@&580087475980992523>

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

If the issue is more fundamental (like design), a sugg is fine

[earnest cape]

tru

[cobalt pewter]

Tho if it's just stats, better ask tester ye

[glossy stone]

It's a mix of both...

[cobalt pewter]

Then you can focus on the design issues in the sugg

[earnest cape]

so uh about the crystalline sugg do you mean they're just a bit weaker than the weapons you can get in that stage or?

(in terms of stats)

[glossy stone]

Crystalline is fine, just a bit weak for later pre-HM stuff.
Prismalline isn't, it's just worthless in HM.

The two other upgrades are... okay...

[earnest raptor]

We need DPS tests, dude.

[glossy stone]

Can do

[earnest raptor]

Something about Prismarine vs. Cryogen and Radiant Star vs. Pillars and ML.

[cobalt pewter]

Stat balance is preferred through testers rather than suggs atm

[glossy stone]

Sure, lemme fire up tmodloader

[cobalt pewter]

But if it's a more fundamental thing (like I said earlier, design), then that one is free to sugg

[glossy stone]

I just didn't know 'bout that

[heady storm]

Do I need to do a do.

[earnest cape]

you may need to do a do chetty

[glossy stone]

Okay so, Prismalline on Cryogen : 200 DPS with Titan Armor, no accs, no stealth (just spam).
And Gacruxian Mollusk : 400-500 DPS in the same conditions.

[earnest cape]

m

[cobalt pewter]

Do a do

[crude geode]

dps checks cringe kill times are all that matter

[cobalt pewter]

Plus again

I already said this the third time but

Stat balance, ask testers.

Just sugg if you have concerns about weapon design.

[crude geode]

mfw rogue apparently lacks accessories when it has more than mage and ranger (prolly combined)

[cobalt pewter]

Well rogue is a new class

But it does have a lot

[earnest cape]

based

[crude geode]

I see absolutely no lack of accessories in rogue.

It’s not a bad thing, just that saying that rogue has a lack of them is completely false.

I assume this sugg has been ripped to shreds already tho

[cobalt pewter]

In fact, stealth rogue can have a bit too much accs at certain points

[crude geode]

Yeah

[earnest cape]

Indeed

[cobalt pewter]

I already have abyssal mirror, dark god and vamp talisman for ML

It's like half of the slots provided pre ML

[earnest cape]

electricians glove is also god tier for rogue

stealth

[cobalt pewter]

The other 2 can probably go for wings and boots and the other one can probably be used for a defensive acc, or if you wanna your stealth strike have that oomph, elec gloves

[earnest cape]

:)

[cobalt pewter]

man the stealth strike effect cap was rip

[crude geode]

What?

[cobalt pewter]

mans could shred Deus p1 with Cranium Smasher stealth with elec glove

[cobalt pewter]

At one point a limit for most stealth strike effects was added. Essentially making them only proc 5 times max per stealth strike use

[crude geode]

gotcha

[sleek turret]

I mean, when doing rogue playthroughs on hardmode I only just equip wings and boots because for me knockback immunity is actually good after DoG when Asgard Aegis has slightly better dash distance as Statis' Ninja Belt

[crude geode]

to be expected honestly, Deus is long and cranium smasher does infinitely pierce so it prolly deserved nerf
Equipping wings and boots?

[cobalt pewter]

This doesn't apply on stuff like Bloodstained Glove and its upgrades, so you can use nanotech and wave pounder stealth for mega healing on buffed moons

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

Wacky

[sleek turret]

Mobility is key in this mod, man.

[cobalt pewter]

It's also why tracers are mega popular

[sleek turret]

yes

[crude geode]

Tracers are mega popular not only Bc mobility, but also bc extra accessory slot

[cobalt pewter]

In fact, I could honestly say you get 2 new slots once you killed ML

[crude geode]

In a way

Basically

[cobalt pewter]

One from onyo and one from equipping tracers

[crude geode]

Yep

[sleek turret]

uhh, because using 2 slots for wings and boots is idk, more acc slots means you can use other accesory.

plus there celestial onion, which is 1+ accesory.

[earnest cape]

honestly if you have better wings than what tracers can give you at that stage just use it

[cobalt pewter]

Depends

[earnest cape]

like how you can replace seraph with elysian wings

[cobalt pewter]

I never ran into that situation until Drew's Wings atm

[glossy stone]

4 min and 13 seconds to kill Expert Cryo with Prismalline, there, happy ?

[cobalt pewter]

It's my go to over Celestial Tracers vs SCal

[earnest cape]

yeah true this only applies to elysian wings and drew's wings cause the celestial tracer i frame(in this update) is funky

[cobalt pewter]

But now that the tracers would get its i-frame bonus fixed, that might be back to popularity

And elysian is kinda shit atm

Maybe wait until next patch

[earnest cape]

elysian is good wym

[crude geode]

this is off topic

[sleek turret]

Well, uhh, gear equiped? (includes; buffs, armor, accesories, modifiers.)

[earnest cape]

perhaps

[glossy stone]

Oh, right

Titan Heart Armor

And that's it

[crude geode]

Expert mode? That’s not the mode the mod is balanced around-

[earnest cape]

^\

[glossy stone]

It doesn't really matter, does it ?

[earnest cape]

it does actuallu

[crude geode]

^

[glossy stone]

Would've been worse it Rev+ anyway

Unless Adrenaline pulled some crazy shit

[earnest cape]

when a mod is balanced in a certain mode then just do stuff in that mode for balancing

[sleek turret]

well, it obvious that it takes more actually more time to kill a boss without nasty good buffs and modifiers on your accesories and weapons.

[crude geode]

You prolly should contact a tester for this shit.

[ashen warren]

adrenaline isn't taken into consideration iirc

[cobalt pewter]

Actually I might sugg something regarding Drew

[earnest cape]

like balancing weapons for normal mode for clam bosses just isn't fair

[cobalt pewter]

Notice how Celestial Tracers got i-frame bonus outta nowhere

[heady storm]

Cryogen:
Prismalline: 2:20 (862 average).
Gacruxian Mollusk: 2:02 (1315 average).

My results.

[crude geode]

Ty Chetto

[earnest cape]

[ashen warren]

damn

[earnest cape]

gooderator

[glossy stone]

Good

[earnest cape]

18 seconds diff tho

[heady storm]

(Average kill time is intended to be 3 minutes fyi.)

[glossy stone]

Thank you for testing

[crude geode]

^

[ashen warren]

almost 500 dps higher yet only 18 less seconds

[heady storm]

Meaning they actually need nerfs.

[earnest cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude geode]

lmao

[tawny garden]

[ashen warren]

this backfired

[earnest cape]

indeed

backfired hard

[sleek turret]

well, nerf damage by 2%

[glossy stone]

I mean, it's only Cryo...

[cobalt pewter]

lmao

my mollusk noooo

[glossy stone]

Is it even worth it against mech bosses ?

[crude geode]

Probably yes

[tawny garden]

"Buff the good stuff and nerf the bad stuff"

[earnest cape]

I mean there's better weapons tho

also don't use it on destroyer

[glossy stone]

THAT is the point

[crude geode]

you only use piercing weapons on destroyer anyways

[earnest cape]

[glossy stone]

Prismalline is just... there

[sleek turret]

Prismalline for me atleast is a decent option, at all.

Weapons are effective in different uses.

[earnest cape]

prismalline is better in certain situations imo

[crude geode]

Prismalline has (partial) homing. That alone makes it good.

[earnest cape]

^

[sleek turret]

tbf using spear of palioth/mollusk and shoot it to the space on worms

[glossy stone]

When it hits like a wet noodle, not really...

[earnest cape]

also gacrux also has homing

[glossy stone]

Gacrux is my go to for mechs

[earnest cape]

also forgot to ask @heady storm what gear did you use for the testing?

[sleek turret]

I like using Gacrux on worms since its like Spear of Palioth but actually does well the job.

[crude geode]

most calamity gamers don’t know what that is Bc it involves fishing, even tho I agree
Prismalline is killing Cryo 40 seconds faster than the standard, as a homing weapon.

[heady storm]

Writing a reference in dev, so I'll provide that.

[earnest cape]

[sleek turret]

wegud

[glossy stone]

I used Titan Heart armor too, that might be the reason for the low kill time, just sayin'

Since it's a stealth armor

[earnest cape]

Grant Drew's Wings immunity frame bonus, stronger than Celestial Tracers.

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

prismalline is infinitely better spammed iirc, for like 90% of that line.

[cobalt pewter]

The entire line is designed for spam

Low use time shenanigans

[crude geode]

yes

frankly the fact you don’t move at a zillion miles per hour idly makes Drew’s better tbh
I can see this suggestion making sense

[glossy stone]

I don't know the other option for rogue spam .-.

[earnest cape]

currently drew's wings is better

[crude geode]

Take any Rogue weapon

[earnest cape]

the main selling point of celestial tracers currently is the i frames bonus

although it's fixed in the next update so yeah

[serene fox]

iirc tracer i-frames are special

[cobalt pewter]

Nooooo

[serene fox]

and actually work in the current update

[cobalt pewter]

My mollusk

[earnest cape]

indeed

[heady storm]

Say goodbye Feedza.

[crude geode]

Tbfh good.

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

lemao

[crude geode]

That thing was ridiculously good, and pre-hm boss too

[ashen warren]

is it the

astral infection fishing thing

[crude geode]

Yep

[serene fox]

yes

[earnest cape]

yes

[glossy stone]

In all honesty, yeah, mollusk can be broken

[cobalt pewter]

Ye

[crude geode]

like I said lmao

[serene fox]

so when does skyfin get gutted btw

[earnest cape]

polaris parrotfish:

[ashen warren]

polaris is ok now

[cobalt pewter]

Gacruxian is like Dart Pistol with Cursed Darts on homing LSD all over again.
FTFY

[crude geode]

In it’s stealth strike

[sleek turret]

dragon dizzlefish pre-boss

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes

[ashen warren]

going to hell pre-boss kinda cringe tho

[cobalt pewter]

Skyfin is baby compared to behemoth called

Adamantite Throwing Axe

[earnest cape]

adamantite throwing axe

[sleek turret]

yes it is and its boring

[crude geode]

Going to Brimstone Crags pre-boss kinda cringe tho

[ashen warren]

too hard

[sleek turret]

going underworld is cringe tho.

[heady storm]

Anyways, I knocked those tests out of the way.

Anything else?

[crude geode]

Ty chetto

[earnest cape]

fighting brimcrag enemies for slurper pole pre boss is cringe

[cobalt pewter]

Thanks chet

[earnest cape]

nothing else

[sleek turret]

mytril knife stealth strike?

[crude geode]

murder sky fin bombers

[earnest cape]

thanki

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes

[heady storm]

Inb4 I actually look at them and they die.

[cobalt pewter]

Funne debuff stealth weapon

God Slayer Inferno pre mech

[earnest cape]

chetty can kill

[cobalt pewter]

:fear:

[crude geode]

Ty Chetto, needed those to die

[glossy stone]

Yeah thank you

[heady storm]

Spam or Stealth Strikes actually?

[crude geode]

Stealth

[cobalt pewter]

Spam doesn't do jack

[earnest cape]

stealth

[crude geode]

stealth all the way

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth has the buttload of debuffs ye

[heady storm]

We know about it already in terms of stealth then.

[earnest cape]

the stealth has strong as fuck homing and a fuckton of damage

[crude geode]

ah wonderful, can’t wait for it to be gutted

[sleek turret]

Stealth strikes on Mythril Knifes are strong since basically on normal circustances debuffs can stack and deal 147 damage per second.

[ashen warren]

wtf

[heady storm]

When will we gut it? Dunno personally.

[earnest cape]

it will be buffed in 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

the dmg buff stealth needs

[earnest cape]

perhaps

[crude geode]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ they don’t really do a whole lot otherwise.

[cobalt pewter]

also Fab said about buffing stealth in 1.5, any more detailed insider info?

[ashen warren]

Chetto gets killed if he leaks iirc

[earnest cape]

stealth will deal x10 damage for every 1 stealth

:)

[cobalt pewter]

Pensive momentum

[sleek turret]

checked wiki now and its 147 per second

[crude geode]

I remember having to look at that stealth strike and ask wtf it inflicted

[earnest cape]

you know the DoT will also be buffed in 1.4 lul

[tawny garden]

nice, bot lives

[earnest cape]

makin it even MORE op

oh hey poggers

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah, real offtopic now #suggestions-discussion momentum

[heady storm]

Yeah, so not happening.

[cobalt pewter]

rip

[heady storm]

I will say Ele Axes ended up killing Provi in 39 seconds when I tried testing sentries if anything.

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

wha.

[tawny garden]

nice

[cobalt pewter]

The buff it needs

[heady storm]

Not gonna say how that happened.

[crude geode]

Wacky

[earnest cape]

valhalla with energy

[heady storm]

The sentries had nothing to do with it.

[cobalt pewter]

I always got intimidated when I see someone using proper punctuation in Discord chats until I saw it's chetto

Byeah offtopic

[serene fox]

did ele axes just suddenly use local i-frames what the fuck??

[earnest cape]

pog buff

[crude geode]

one day I hope fab implements a pog reference into the mod
Frankly I think that it doesn’t have to be stronger. Just make it the same @cobalt pewter

[cobalt pewter]

I mean sure

As long as it gets it, I'm cool

[tawny garden]

one day I hope fab implements a pog reference into the mod
the two statements you presented in this sentence conflict with each other badly

[hot zephyr]

I dare Chetto to go a day without using proper grammar.

[pine star]

Sugg bot is alive again

[tawny garden]

he didn't use proper grammar till like 5 months ago iirc

and punctuation

[heady storm]

Nothing else needs testing?

[proper grail]

Never thought I'd see a suggestion that was both accepted and rejected, but here we are.

[tawny garden]

everything does

[heady storm]

I meant for the rogue suggestion.

[tawny garden]

yeah, that happened several times

[cobalt pewter]

I vividly remember my Temple loot sugg having that

[tawny garden]

when they only agreed with a part of the sugg

[proper grail]

I'm assuming the guaranteed shrine spawns were the acceptable part

[tawny garden]

that was the first one iirc

[cobalt pewter]

your lihzahrd chest suggestion (https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/738510237178527786) got 2 reactions because we approved of adding more loot to the lihzahrd chests but we don't plan to add a lihzahrd crate, just in case you're confused
From Brav

[tawny garden]

gg pisscord

[cobalt pewter]

Bruh

[heady storm]

Good thing I can just disable that embed.

[sleek turret]

discord has been crazy these days.

[tawny garden]

so like
every day?

[sleek turret]

well yes.

[heady storm]

Anyways, this is reaching offtopic.

[earnest raptor]

The situation with stealth is that you are forced to stay in place to use it, which is big no on like every encounter.

[cobalt pewter]

No

[earnest raptor]

[sleek turret]

Anyways, back to suggestions.

[cobalt pewter]

I shall expose you to a bit of my knowledge

Stealth isn't designed around standing still. It's an intended bonus given to players who can take advantage of the situation of fights by standing still.

[earnest raptor]

Okay, but isn't stealth an only gimmick of rogue class?

[cobalt pewter]

Yes, and?

[tawny garden]

the main mechanic specific to the class is a bonus thing for gut spielers