suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

hnnnnng

[worthy lintel]

straight up just make them weapons?

do i dare make something that bold

[zealous ridge]

Either that or just tools

[distant gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526572244546355200/761856373763604480/volt_crasher_3.mp4

[zealous ridge]

There it fucking is

volt crasher should just be not a tool

[cobalt pewter]

And make it true melee

[zealous ridge]

it is a weapon In almost every sense except that it breaks walls

[distant gyro]

it is true melee

[sleek hornet]

what did you use as a body armor? a hat?

[cobalt pewter]

Oh right

[distant gyro]

actually nvm it isn't, fab forgot to make an exception to jackhammers

[cobalt pewter]

lol

So yeah

Just turn them into weapons

Who cares about non pick tools anyways

[zealous ridge]

The only precedent for tool weapon

And I mean ONLY

[summer sentinel]

This is me with grax

[zealous ridge]

is butchers chainsaw

[distant gyro]

butcher's chainsaw yes

[zealous ridge]

And no one fucking cares about butchers chainsaw

[worthy lintel]

i want to use butcher but not cutting trees all over the place

[summer sentinel]

Accidentally mining walls while trying to get the grax boost

[worthy lintel]

[sleek hornet]

what did you use for body piece, altix?

[distant gyro]

actually volt crasher is essentially that but viable

[zealous ridge]

I think grax should just be split

[distant gyro]

I think I showed it on the video

[worthy lintel]

oh god not item variants

😳

[distant gyro]

hovered over stuff briefly

[zealous ridge]

grax boost should be a different item and the axe can stay around

I don’t mean item variants, nah

[sleek hornet]

i can barely read it

[zealous ridge]

just a completely different item with the same utility and concept

it’s like tyrants fury but actually not terrible

[sleek hornet]

oh monk shirt

[cobalt pewter]

@worthy lintel just sugg to make these pseudo tool weapons full on weapons

[worthy lintel]

actually a very good argument, ill focus on grax

[zealous ridge]

Yea that’s what I’d do

[cobalt pewter]

Hammer and axe tools are irrelevant tbh

[zealous ridge]

wdym

[cobalt pewter]

At least past pml

[zealous ridge]

like which one you have

[distant gyro]

yes

[radiant meadow]

I think I added it to the list™️ at some point fairly sure it's a public change

[zealous ridge]

bc that’s very true

[cobalt pewter]

There just won't be that much difference to having lunar hamaxes to anything grax is

[distant gyro]

you can use molten

[cobalt pewter]

And ye, even molten is alright

[radiant meadow]

it might not be a public change now that I think about it

[zealous ridge]

the least you need at minimum usually for a hammer

Is pwn bc of altars

but axes don’t matter besides speed

[summer sentinel]

I can personally say that grax true melee boost but having the fear of mining walls is a bit yeah, concerning. grax suffers from this too much

[distant gyro]

it chops a tree in 6 hits and less than a second, that's more than enough

[cobalt pewter]

Also volt crasher ye

Yeah just

Make these full on weapons

Tbh

[summer sentinel]

Volt crasher isn’t as bad as grax and I mean this from experience

[zealous ridge]

As in breaking walls

[radiant meadow]

grax could be made to only mine walls and chop trees with right click

[distant gyro]

grax boost seems like a side effect to make sure some people actually use it

[radiant meadow]

(you can't do that with volt crasher)

[cobalt pewter]

oof

[summer sentinel]

Ben I literally told you that before I swear and you said no smh

[zealous ridge]

well that’s not exactly the point Ben

[radiant meadow]

okay then I won't do it

:)

[distant gyro]

imagine if waraxes get grax boost on hit, all the people do be using them again

[summer sentinel]

Awesome!

[zealous ridge]

The point is that they shouldn’t have tool stats in the first place because they’re irrelevant

[radiant meadow]

if grax tool stats were removed, I bet people would complain

[cobalt pewter]

nah

[zealous ridge]

Well, let me clarify then

grax should stay as a tool, but boost should move to something actually not annoying to use

the boost is just combat stats when it’s a tool which is illogical

[worthy lintel]

alright it's changed

is it more reasonable

[distant gyro]

so just remove grax boost

[zealous ridge]

Oh fuck

DEPTH CRUSHER

[cobalt pewter]

Oh yeah

Depth Crusher

[zealous ridge]

remove it from grax, yeah

[cobalt pewter]

brunge

[zealous ridge]

Not even the thing has to change

[distant gyro]

depth crusher is not a real weapon tbh,,

[worthy lintel]

[zealous ridge]

I LITERALLY DONT UNDERSTAND DEPTH CRUSHER

[distant gyro]

it's basically a tool

[zealous ridge]

then why does it turn into a sword

Why is it the earliest source of crush depth

why

[worthy lintel]

no clue

[distant gyro]

all tools are swords

[zealous ridge]

It’s bc it was an actual weapon before

[radiant meadow]

(Have you seen older versions of Depth Crusher?)

[zealous ridge]

yeah it was depth blade

[distant gyro]

oh you mean abyss blade, that's a depth blade relic

[zealous ridge]

to be fair, not a great idea either

But why does depth retain the features of the weapon when it’s just a tool now

[worthy lintel]

prolly an oversight

[zealous ridge]

and why does it upgrade into abyss blade

[worthy lintel]

or something to make it more appealing

[radiant meadow]

because that was the whole concept of the sprite?

[zealous ridge]

you mean to tell me no one thought about this for like, months

[distant gyro]

if you smack someone with a depth hammer you would probbaly be crush depthed

it's in the name after all

[cobalt pewter]

Also ben we talked about Gauss Rifle being what.exe and Pulse Dragon being electric in disguise

[zealous ridge]

wdym ben, like the idea is you make it into a sword from the big rock

[radiant meadow]

the sprites were supposed to be a progression, you take the weapon and when you remake it better and better with the same materials

[zealous ridge]

well yeah I’d say that was true for depth blade as well

[radiant meadow]

the hammer thing was a secondary concept

[summer sentinel]

I have an idea: having the hammer and axe power of the grax be toggleable via favoriting similar to how lore is

[zealous ridge]

I don’t understand that personally

eh

[cobalt pewter]

Hnng

[radiant meadow]

that sounds

[zealous ridge]

I think it’s skirting around the issue lauren

[radiant meadow]

even worse than the right click idea

[summer sentinel]

R and L clicks can work too but we’ll see how much Ben gets mad over it

[cobalt pewter]

I mean at this point the favorite toggle can be abused to fuck

[distant gyro]

tools doing damage to me just sounds like a lazy move

[cobalt pewter]

There's already at least 41 items using it

Bnnnnng

[zealous ridge]

I really just think it should remove either tool functionality or the boost and or move the abilities around

[summer sentinel]

alright well then my last option: remove the axe and hammer stuff from the grax entirely and put on a different weapon: winning

[distant gyro]

so if you mine stuff you still don't die when assaulted

[cobalt pewter]

That's the sugg lauren

[zealous ridge]

kind of

[worthy lintel]

[summer sentinel]

Well shit

[distant gyro]

because you have a way to fend yourself, at it's core it's still a tool

[radiant meadow]

Okay, Ark of the Elements is now an axe and a hammer.

[distant gyro]

esp. depth crusher

[cobalt pewter]

Okay, Elemental Axe is now an actual axe with right click

[zealous ridge]

Ark of the crusher

[cobalt pewter]

[summer sentinel]

Honestly that makes sense since I am controlling the elements

[worthy lintel]

Crusher of the Elements

[radiant meadow]

ele axe won't be getting axe functionality

it already has a right click

[distant gyro]

grax is more multipurposal but it is also not really a weapon

[cobalt pewter]

Boo

[summer sentinel]

Who is going to use an ele axe as an axe? Bad idea

[cobalt pewter]

Speaking of Elem Axe

Now I reminded myself to sugg Elem Axe rework, in that it becomes a single minion with scaling size and damage the more minion slots used

[zealous ridge]

m

[cobalt pewter]

But after the laser thing mayhaps

[zealous ridge]

dunno bout that

[crude geode]

Kinda cringe

[zealous ridge]

I think it’s ok ig

[distant gyro]

m

[zealous ridge]

A sort of successor to immat

but also scaling minions are a bit wacky imo

[crude geode]

^

[worthy lintel]

scaling is tough to deal with

[cobalt pewter]

I actually suggested a rework to "single" minions like immat a while back

[zealous ridge]

like the ones that just summon one but it scales with how many empty slots u have

[summer sentinel]

R and L clicks just seem the most practical though imo just look at the crafting like for grax... the fault is making a tool that powerful that it can be a weapon but still

[zealous ridge]

Sirius is boring but highly effective

So is saros

[cobalt pewter]

Sirius has logarithmic equations because it's an overhead ig

[zealous ridge]

saros less boring but still belugh

[cobalt pewter]

You have better control on how it attacks a bit

[zealous ridge]

well I would like that pleas

channeling staff summons it over your head and it powers up over time while charging it

Releasing causes a stronk attack but the minion fades away

😳

[cobalt pewter]

So yeah, suggested something like that a while back, making stuff like immat no longer use a fixed amount of minion slots and no longer have only one at a time

@mint orchid Plaguebringer drops Plagued Fuel Pack, not PBG

Oh wait

I misread

[radiant meadow]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

hnnnng

The sugg asks to make PBG drop the acc

[hollow shell]

Opposing interests: Fight!

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes

Battle of the Gods Ideals

[frail mantle]

[sand umbra]

see here's the funny thing about Grax:

you're not using it on a boss anyway because it's like the most unsafe true melee option there is at that tier

[cobalt pewter]

I mean, you're not gonna use it to constantly deal dmg imo, it's more of "yeet I hit polter once with this thing, time to delete the boss with Proboscis with the bosst"

[dapper coral]

isn't that exclusively what it's for in a fight
is to whack once for buffs and then eat boss

[hot zephyr]

Make the tool function toggled with visibility duh

[cobalt pewter]

holup that's not an acc

[hot zephyr]

You're telling me you don't equip Grax in your aux core slot?

[cobalt pewter]

but Lauren proposed something similar actually, favorite toggle

[dapper coral]

mfw ian is playing an entirely different mod

[hot zephyr]

wait this isn't the Xenoblade 2 server

[cobalt pewter]

echde

[sand umbra]

god damnit ian

[summer sentinel]

Something should be done about it though because I do think, and this was the case for me, the ability for grax and its precursors to axe/hammer stuff during battle just made me be a little....less likely to use them

[hot zephyr]

Methinks we should just keep tools as tools and weapons as weapons

[summer sentinel]

I think R and L clicks would just be the best option since 1. functionality is most likely not going to remove them and 2. the favoriting might be a bit, odd? though still viable

[hot zephyr]

That'd also work

[cobalt pewter]

Too bad apparently R / L approach doesn't work on drill / chainsaw / jackhammer

[sand umbra]

I-
I am not gonna lie to you

[cobalt pewter]

So Hydraulic Volt Crasher is gonna be left out

[hot zephyr]

[sand umbra]

this sounds like a really easily solvable issue

[hot zephyr]

Alright, solve it magic man

[sand umbra]

don't keep your cursor within 2 inches of your charracter

[hollow shell]

Thomas I don't recognize you anymore

[sand umbra]

blammo! solved

[hollow shell]

I was leaning back from my screen and I thought you were Kirn for a sec

[hot zephyr]

Needs more text wall

[sand umbra]

the Katelynn pfp has thrown like 80% of the people I talk to for a loop, it's the funniest shit to me

[hot zephyr]

Who says he isn't?

[hollow shell]

You right

[hot zephyr]

If we can clone rovers, we can put Kirn's brain in Thomas' body

[cobalt pewter]

👁️

[sand umbra]

[summer sentinel]

Yeah I got my Rover cloneinator 9000 on me rn

[cobalt pewter]

Rover and his clones are basically scal and her clones situation tbh

[hot zephyr]

Clone me a rover, make 'im do my homework

[hollow shell]

Nah we gotta put both Kirn and Thomas's brains in one two-headed body

[hot zephyr]

ohno

[sand umbra]

oh fuck that noise

[hollow shell]

Let nothing go to waste.

[cobalt pewter]

Sounds like hell

[summer sentinel]

I feel like they'd clash against one another too much

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

CATDOG CAT DOG

THOMKIRN THOMKIRN

[cobalt pewter]

Tomkirn

[sand umbra]

I would literally invent the fuckin'
conscious upload shit that Daedalus invented before he died

[ashen warren]

Thorn

[sand umbra]

purely to get outta that body

[hot zephyr]

[cobalt pewter]

Fusion complete

[hollow shell]

THORN.

[hot zephyr]

T H O R N

[sand umbra]

[hot zephyr]

Boy I do love this consistently topical suggestion discussion channel

[cobalt pewter]

Okay this is WAY offtopic now but I don't expect better for this specific channel honestly

[ashen warren]

m

[sand umbra]

this is par for the course don't worry

[summer sentinel]

Is it? Go back to sugg things of that like

[dapper coral]

what chaotic being has been born here today

[cobalt pewter]

Thorn.

[hollow shell]

anyway yeah Grax is our current best hamaxe so it is unlikely that we're removing the functionality from it

[hot zephyr]

What even is topic, other than yelling at each other about tiny forgettable details about the mod

[sand umbra]

yelling at each other about pointless details about a mod for a terrible game is hilarious

it's the whole point of this channel

[hot zephyr]

Why do you think we stick around?

[summer sentinel]

Grax suffers this issue the most prominently since you actually want to use it for the grax boost, and having its tool functionality just impedes it

[sand umbra]

wait, people use Grax for boost?

[ashen warren]

ye

[hot zephyr]

The real suggestion discussion is the friends we made along the way

[summer sentinel]

The other weapons are touch and go on usage but due to grax giving an actual strong boost, it's needed and yes, of course. The boost for it is quite nice

[sand umbra]

note that nohitting is an outlier and cannot be counted

[cobalt pewter]

Grax Boost is

[summer sentinel]

It ups damage, defense and some other things

[ashen warren]

no one's counting no-hitting I'm sure

[hollow shell]

Hell I would argue that the other direction is more desirable
Remove weapon functionality from Grax

Cuz yknow what Calamity doesn't have much of?
Tools
Yknow what Calamity a fucking lot of?
Weapons

[hot zephyr]

DINGDINGDING! On the money

[summer sentinel]

That can work but where would grax boost be put onto?

[hollow shell]

Fuck it

[cobalt pewter]

make Grax Boost a separate classless weapon based off it

[sand umbra]

murder it

[dapper coral]

something else cool lmao

[cobalt pewter]

holup

[hot zephyr]

People use the Grax?

[sand umbra]

I use it as

y'know

a hamaxe

[summer sentinel]

Descriptive answer Rover

[sand umbra]

the thing it's designed to be

:v

[hot zephyr]

We don't need anything else, Laur

[cobalt pewter]

Imagine using any hamaxe past pillar ones

[sand umbra]

the fuck are you on
pillar hamaxes are hot trash compared to Grax

[crude geode]

Suggestion: Thanos snap melee weapons
Reasoning: Too many of them competing for resources

[cobalt pewter]

at this point just make an explosive purely for bg walls

[hot zephyr]

Imagine using hamaxes, just use fuckin BOMBS or a rocket launcher

[sand umbra]

bombs are insufficient

[hot zephyr]

that's why dynamite

[tawny garden]

Halibut cannon with mortar rounds

[hollow shell]

^

[sand umbra]

now there's a good terraforming tool

now there's an explosive

[hot zephyr]

So what you're telling me: Calamity should add post-ml explosives

[cobalt pewter]

I've seen the chaos of Fab running that combo

[summer sentinel]

Mortar rounds are yes

[crude geode]

I can’t believe this is Thomas’ return to form

[hot zephyr]

:)

[cobalt pewter]

Hmmmmnnnnng

[sand umbra]

I like
semi-exist again

[crude geode]

Encore

[hot zephyr]

He has R E T U R N E D

[tawny garden]

yey

[sand umbra]

lately I have not had the energy or patience to yell at people about why their ideas are terrible and how to make them less terrible so I've just been

lurking around as I regain my strength

[summer sentinel]

So you're aging? got it boomer

[cobalt pewter]

boomer

[crude geode]

boomer

[sand umbra]

fuck you I'm only 21

I've still got at least a few more years in me

[crude geode]

God what a boomer

[hot zephyr]

Ewww he's a boomer

[summer sentinel]

Huh you are older than I thought but I digress

[crude geode]

~~I can’t wait for Thomas’ sugg to remove AoTC from the game ~~

[sand umbra]

do not test me

[tawny garden]

proceeds to beta test Thomas

[sand umbra]

I will make that sugg for a Wawa gift card that doesn't even work

[tawny garden]

But that'll be specific

[sand umbra]

that is how cheap it is to get me to make that sugg

that is how irrelevant the thoughts of the many are to me
Ark of the Cosmos is a stupid weapon and needs to either die or be seriously rethought

along with basically its entire tree

[crude geode]

Agreed.

[hot zephyr]

Murasama

AoTC exists because people want it

[crude geode]

Melee™️ obliterated, only Murasama remains

[hot zephyr]

It's not "melee" but people don't really want "melee" anyways

[ashen warren]

[crude geode]

That’s why it’s called Melee™️ and true melee

[hot zephyr]

They're split for a reason

[crude geode]

because people are stupid

[hot zephyr]

(make AoTC a charge to swing weapon)

(make it releases a bigass blast all at once)

[tawny garden]

Bingo

[crude geode]

So make AoTC Charged Blaster Cannon?

[hot zephyr]

Si

[sand umbra]

melee™️ and melee are indeed quite different

the former exists for the people with -2 IQ who are salty that they have to actually learn how to play video games
and the latter is what melee is supposed to mean

[hot zephyr]

Thomas is heated :p

[sand umbra]

no that's just the normal level of "everything is terrible"

[crude geode]

^

[sand umbra]

you'd know if I was heated because I'd be textwalling at you at 100 words a minute

[hot zephyr]

People like projectile melee because True Melee is still hage inducing for huge sections of the game and works against adrenaline

[frail mantle]

as i sometimes like to put it

[crude geode]

That implies people who use melee actually get adrenaline

[sand umbra]

the only thing that could make it worse is if melee had a specialized mechanic to help with its tendency to get hit and then that mechanic was terrible by design
wouldn't that be funny

[ashen warren]

that emote is so good

[hot zephyr]

If Rage ever became useful, maybe perception would change

[crude geode]

Solution: Delete Rage and Adrenaline

[hot zephyr]

No

[crude geode]

I see no negatives to this solution

[hot zephyr]

You can delete Rage though, kinda sucks tbh

[hollow shell]

Imagine rewarding not getting hit
Your reward is that you're still breathing

Kids these days, puh

[crude geode]

^

You want an additional reward for dodging moon lord’s laser instead of just not being cut in half? Ridiculous

[hot zephyr]

Back in my day, you got hit and you were glad

[crude geode]

Society has evolved past the need for rage and adrenaline

[hot zephyr]

Reject modernity
Return to Stress

[tawny garden]

Stress was

Stressful

[hot zephyr]

Revert to 1.0

[tawny garden]

YEAH

[crude geode]

Return to Purple Destroyer/Devourer of Gods

[hot zephyr]

Perfection

[crude geode]

Only time this mod was good smh my head

[tawny garden]

Only time terraria was good is 1.0

Angel statues in chests

[hollow shell]

No classes
No projectiles
No Hardmode

No items

Fox only

Final Destination

[tawny garden]

Fox?

[hollow shell]

(or Falco)

[frozen night]

yeah lets forget about yoyos, boomerangs and stuff

also

is it me or guns are useless compared to bows

and

bows are broken

[crude geode]

Why did you drag this up 3 and a half hours later? Also boomerangs are dying in melee. Yo-yos are an excuse for merchandizing, and flails don’t even have the swing mechanic justifying them being “close by”.

[crude geode]

Think it’s you

[frozen night]

lol

[swift fulcrum]

depends on what we compare

[frozen night]

i am more of an archer than a gunner

but in terms of stand still target and close range with pure dps

bows are noticeably better

for bosses

bows are still better-

also phantasm and phangasm are broken lol

maybe i am using archer + magic quiver too much

[crude geode]

That’s incredibly broad and not at all specific, and you’re already pretty biased from this

[frozen night]

xd

[swift fulcrum]

based

[crude geode]

Which is just a

[frozen night]

ikr

but still

[frail mantle]

pretty sure guns are about equally as good as bows generally speaking

[crude geode]

^

[frozen night]

i tested every gun and bow possible in a recent death mode run

[frozen night]

ye i agree

but it seems like bows are somehow better

[crude geode]

???

[frozen night]

in terms of long range and accurcity

guns

bows are better in damage

[crude geode]

Idk I’ve never noticed that really

[frozen night]

well its my perspective ofc

so i wanted to see opinions

and see what is better

lets focus on post moon lord

[crude geode]

Look at kill times for every bow and gun post ml

I’m waiting

[frozen night]

k

i will hop into tmodloader and retest

[earnest cape]

my sugg got through pog

[frozen night]

pog

what do i specifcally test

[earnest cape]

blossom flux

[frozen night]

i didnt use that during my last run

[earnest cape]

you should

[frozen night]

a

[earnest cape]

while you're on that please use marksman bow

[frozen night]

i forgot it existed during the run lol

[earnest cape]

poor hyena's donator item

[frozen night]

marksman bow...

i never heard of it

[frail mantle]

if you didn't use the Blossom Flux you didn't test every gun and bow possible

[earnest cape]

^

[frozen night]

lol

i agree

again

i am here to ask for opinions

and see what the hell did i miss

also why is every arrow bad compared to holy arrows before the upgrade

[crude geode]

Opinions like “bows or guns” is really just that. Matter of opinion.

[earnest cape]

they're both the same but the real question is what about launchers?

[frozen night]

ye but what about 2 weapons from same tier

gasp

[crude geode]

Unless you want to go through every bow and gun in the game and compare them.

[frozen night]

idk why i havent used launchers and flame throwers

i was like

"i should use them lol"

also me

"bow"

[swift fulcrum]

dodus handcannon is better than monsoon

now shut up

[frozen night]

ah yes

the power of the nut

[crude geode]

mfw someone mentions dono weapons

[frozen night]

ye i used that over bows

lunch is here

great

ig i will test in a bit

bacc

ready for some terraria?

what should i compare phangasm to

[serene fox]

prolly minigun and sdfmg

although testing anything post-ml for balance is

kinda pointless right now

[frozen night]

lel

[frozen night]

i wonder why yharon takes almost no damage from me

most hits deal 1 damage

idk anymore

i am probably doing something wrong

[tawny garden]

...are you trying to kill him using your socks

[worthy lintel]

The magic of 120 defense and 24% dr

[frozen night]

[worthy lintel]

Stop trying to kill him with rocks

[frozen night]

my phangasm is useless

[worthy lintel]

[frozen night]

xD

phangasm suffers from this

probably bc phangasm is a fast weapon

minigun is concerned slowers ig

probably bc of holy bullets

i used holy bullets

and vanquisher arrows

not sure what i did

but its not right

[tawny garden]

Just do the right thing smh

[frozen night]

What is the right thing

:<

[craggy stratus]

Sounds like cross mod problems

[ashen warren]

@worthy lintel I disagree because Grax is still useful for clearing out large chunk of walls

if you don't like the speed of it then use something else like Molten Hamaxe as you said

though the only thing that could be removed is the buff it gives which is so unnecessary

[worthy lintel]

Either works tbh

But Grax in its current state is

[hardy dock]

Nah I only use the Grax for building. If anything, it should be split into two different items

[unreal star]

alternatively, move the axe/hammer functions to the right click instead

[hardy dock]

I think that we’ve learned from Crystyl Crusher that that doesn’t work

[zealous ridge]

Well, crystyl is massively fucked bc it breaks the shit out of blocks

[unreal star]

fair point

[eternal escarp]

wasnt there an idea to make right click toggle between them?

[sharp prism]

YES

[zealous ridge]

But grax would have a lesser, but similar problem

[eternal escarp]

like, suggested idea

[sharp prism]

caps oops

[craggy stratus]

Crystyl doesnt work because red code screwed with beam attack and left click

[zealous ridge]

That was what was taker about

I proposed that it just stay a hamaxe and move the boost to something else

[unreal star]

eh, maybe

[distant gyro]

grax boost is not the same if it's not from grax

if it's from, say, another viable weapon like true tyrant's then it has to be adjusted in terms of balance and sprite

[zealous ridge]

Absolutely

And that needs to be considered

[distant gyro]

so that just means remove grax boost and make grax a generic hamaxe

[zealous ridge]

but inherently I think that grax giving a combat boost in this fashion is just going to make it conflicting in its use

[distant gyro]

which can be splitting

[zealous ridge]

ah yea i don’t think I mentioned my other proposal

[distant gyro]

kinda like the wings buff

[zealous ridge]

Could make grax boost a tool buff

[distant gyro]

wings get combat buffs despite blatantly being meant for mobility

[zealous ridge]

Yes

[distant gyro]

but a lot of people like it so it stays

[zealous ridge]

the idea was that it was balancing out fucked spread of vanilla wing stats, no?

Of course, not as much needed anymore due to 1.4 stat reallocations

[distant gyro]

the stat is being kept after 1.4

[zealous ridge]

I was thinking that was the case

[distant gyro]

so I think that disproves the main motive being that

[zealous ridge]

well I don’t think that would mean it wasn’t initially made with that in mind, at least

of course that isn’t the purpose now, considering it’s being kept after the balance changes

[distant gyro]

fact of the day is that people dont like generic

[zealous ridge]

In any case, I have to say I disagree with it staying in a full capacity

yes, that’s the idea here I feel

With the wings

[distant gyro]

so tools getting unique effects will probbaly be normalized

instead of being removed

[zealous ridge]

but ultimately I don’t think something has to go against its purpose as an item to be “unique”

and yeah, I would enjoy that a lot

but I think the most consistent solution here would be just to move the grax boost if it needs to stay in its current form

And give grax a similar ability but have it boost tool use in some way

war axe and volt crasher similarly have tool use functionality, and I think war axe is the most forgivable here because it’s an early item and it isn’t too... annoying to use in combat, even if trees may break it isn’t too bad bc it’s slow

volt crasher is also less of an issue, but can still be a bother in walled areas

a few people have discussed how grax is the worst of these

[cobalt pewter]

@zenith hazel 2 suggs can be moved to voting now, bot ded

[tawny garden]

bot's dying way more often than in the past

[sharp prism]

bot has been slowly been dying of old age

[hot zephyr]

I must step up

I must become the bot.

[tawny garden]

apply for a mod

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like I involuntarily abused suggbot enough to the point where it don't wanna work anymore

[tawny garden]

mhm

cut down on your suggs smh

[hot zephyr]

We had to take the bot to therapy

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

he lives!

[sleek turret]

yay.

[cobalt pewter]

pog!

[sleek turret]

now I can repost my suggestion again properly.

maybe later.

[tawny garden]

inb4 he breaks

[pine star]

[zealous ridge]

oh yea was umbraphile darksun discussed btw

bc I like the idea, class armors are always great for variety

I remember the uhh true statis armor suggestion lmao

[cobalt pewter]

Not that I can recall past "why darksun specifically" from philo

[zealous ridge]

god damn quite a while ago

yea

so, umbraphile I’m unsure about

Mainly I don’t know if it needs to be upgraded from umbra

[cobalt pewter]

See the last line

[tawny garden]

yeah, I asked that

cause it seemed kinda specific

[zealous ridge]

Was gonna mention fearmonger, yes

also darksun fragments being in the recipe is inconsequential in this case

[tawny garden]

but the thematic argument that Feedza presented was enough to convince me at the time

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

because it’s basically just another way of saying it’s late game

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

1. Thematics (the Umbraphile armor upgrade wouldn't work as well without the mention of Darksun)
2. I wanna account for whatever Fab said, yes, hence why I'm not pointing at the progression point, I'm pointing at the material.

From yesterday

[zealous ridge]

thematically it certainly is understandable

[cobalt pewter]

"whatever Fab said" being the Darksun retier

[zealous ridge]

and yes, considering discussion about darksun being moved to dog

which I’m fully on board with by the way

(Please make an actual dedicated Silva material (Silva Leaf😳))

[cobalt pewter]

material bloat begon

🔫

[pine star]

🔫

[zealous ridge]

I think it being post dog is in line with other armors here

Prismatic is wacky tho

But is it even an upgrade to another armor

[tawny garden]

:gunpoint:

[cobalt pewter]

Prismatic is a standalone armor

[zealous ridge]

That s what I remembered

[cobalt pewter]

The examples I sent there is primarily for highlighting the current (probably) class armors pml

[zealous ridge]

yea ig

[cobalt pewter]

Fearmonger is technically one (for summoner), but it's actually intended for summon multiclass

[zealous ridge]

it’s donator, for one, and also, it’s not an armor upgrade so it’s hard for me to agree with it being a good example per se

[cobalt pewter]

So I just added (somewhat) because yes

[zealous ridge]

monger is summoner with more utility with other classes

I don’t really understand why it’s built with that specifically in mind

Like the best way to make summoner good is to make it less of its own class??????

doesn’t make sense to me

because effectively, it’s a damage boost for anything that isn’t summon weapon

Also I mention a new material there

Because there literally isn’t even material bloat post-ml

In fact there’s general content depravation there

Idk if that’s the right term lol

[sturdy geyser]

hmmm

i have to disagree

well

there isn't really material bloat

[zealous ridge]

how exactly do you disagree?

[sturdy geyser]

but the existing materials are used really badly

[zealous ridge]

there isn’t material bloat in post ml

[sturdy geyser]

a lot of the materials feel like they are only relevant because they are in recipes that they dont even matter in

[cobalt pewter]

To quote altix regarding Fearmonger:

it's also summoner tank
therefore fearmonger is actually an illegally designed armor that is actually good

[zealous ridge]

Yea that would be fine if it was summon tank

Or you could dare make it a bit more focused on sentry

[hardy dock]

Hang on was the sugg posting removed again?

[zealous ridge]

which one..?

[tawny garden]

what

[hardy dock]

#suggestions-posting where is it

I don't see it on my dashboard

[tawny garden]

it exists

[cobalt pewter]

sugg nitwit in real

[hardy dock]

Ok it's back

For some reason it just wasnt there for me

[tawny garden]

did you

mute it?

[hardy dock]

No

[tawny garden]

good

[zealous ridge]

Might be just accidentally closing the channel tab here

idk it’s whatever

[hardy dock]

It's just disappearing from my dashboard. The other suggestion things are working tho so it's prolly just a discord bug

[zealous ridge]

Most likely

[tawny garden]

pisscord, Inc.

[zealous ridge]

Anyways, umbraphile upgrade cool

[tawny garden]

let's call the upgrade

"Umbraphilo armor"

[zealous ridge]

Pain

[pine star]

[sturdy geyser]

philo should donate for that

it would be epic

[zealous ridge]

nah

[sturdy geyser]

yah

[zealous ridge]

pay 100 dollar for shitty joke

[sturdy geyser]

yes

[tawny garden]

I don't think donators can call their dedicated items by their name

otherwise there would be a lot of cringe

[sturdy geyser]

I am donating for "Lemon Zest" which is my super op epic sword

[tawny garden]

post scal

[sturdy geyser]

yes

i will pay 10,000 dollars for this

[tawny garden]

anyways off to #general-talk you go

where you live

[sturdy geyser]

boohoo

there was a suggestion i was gonna make but i dont remember it

[zealous ridge]

I’m still thinking on the armored digger thing

[zenith hazel]

notified amber of bot being down, again

this is unusual

[dapper coral]

indeed

[tawny garden]

I think it became usual by now

[sharp prism]

https://i.gyazo.com/bcf5e1df84b3e858cc77bdf984434efe.gif well its alive enough to remove my exclamation from a sugg

[tawny garden]

Yeah, that happened multiple times

[gray nebula]

would look goofy

I think

[tawny garden]

@silk echo you need a bigger reason I think

also @ashen warren PSA sugg

[silk echo]

A couple of people said to suggest it

[mighty knot]

@silk echo that would be cool, but...
...profaned guardians don't have cocoons...

[sleek girder]

#suggestions-voting message this has 200, found it while scrolling

should i ping someone?

[tawny garden]

no

it will be delivered

eventually

[sleek girder]

k

eventually

[sharp prism]

cough cough eventually

[sleek girder]

everyone better get all my suggs to 200

[tawny garden]

bluechecks aren't delivered

[sharp prism]

shh

[tawny garden]

if that's what you mean

---

lol

[sharp prism]

@wide patrol you need more reasoning

[tawny garden]

earrape moment

hm

[wide patrol]

time to ask around

[tawny garden]

I think the rest will serve as padding

[dapper coral]

why is this
this feels incomplete

[tawny garden]

you need to be a bit more descriptive

[wooden wedge]

i thought this was changed

[dapper coral]

i agree it doesn't need all that much reasoning because the premise is super simple but a little more description of the issue would be good

i don't see anything in changelogs about it

[summer sentinel]

side effect of luxors But yeah the sound can be capped but it needs to be more detailed than this one liner

[wooden wedge]

it was relevant a while ago so i guess people just stopped complaining about it then

[tawny garden]

ask in dev

[dapper coral]

o shid you're right i can do that now

[tawny garden]

[summer sentinel]

There was still nothing about it

[wide patrol]

ye sorry, ill try and describe it better real quick

How do I describe this in a way that it fits in suggestion posting?

[tawny garden]

holy fucking piece of shit

[whole sedge]

o

[sleek turret]

Sounds like my aux.

[tawny garden]

[wide patrol]

note: spam clicking, not holding

[tawny garden]

you could actually have that video in your sugg

[sleek turret]

yes we can hear your mouse.

and its painful.

[wide patrol]

oh you can?
oh right i forgot to mute my mic

[summer sentinel]

When using the luxors in confined spaces where many projectiles can rebound, the audio ends up becoming very loud and distorted to the point it becomes unbearable. See video below

something like this could work with slight modifications

[pallid nest]

only caves

[wooden wedge]

only caves what?

[sleek turret]

[WARNING: Loud sounds]

[wide patrol]

right, sorry i forgot to mark that as a sound warning

[summer sentinel]

It's any confined space really, not just caves

[pallid nest]

for me its only caves

[radiant meadow]

I mean at this point, you're kinda just spamming it on purpose inside blocks for max amount of bounces

[tawny garden]

it still shouldn't sound like that

[radiant meadow]

it won't sound like that if you use it like

normally

[summer sentinel]

Audio crunching basically

[wooden wedge]

just disable spam clicking hugebrain

[silk echo]

I realized my suggestion was worded incorrectly

[wispy river]

just like that sentance...

[silk echo]

I meant to talk about the profaned soul crystal, not the profaned soul artifact

[summer sentinel]

Feel free to edit it within the 24hr period of its initial post

[silk echo]

So I corrected it

[dapper coral]

@rose jewel can you not meme in #suggestions-posting please

[rose jewel]

Oh did I accidentally post pls meme in this

Sorry I meant to do it in a different server

I’ll try not to do it again

[mortal wadi]

so what happens when your suggestion gets 200+ votes?

[golden narwhal]

It gets sent to the dev server, where the devs vote on what happens to it iirc

[dapper coral]

correct

if the devs have an overall consensus of approval/disapproval, the sugg gets marked with 👍 or 🚫 respectively

if there's a stalemate/no strong opinion, there is no marker

[summer sentinel]

and then it gets a 🏁 when it's finally implemented

[dapper coral]

(this is also all in the pins)

[tawny garden]

if* it's finally implemented

[silk echo]

what is the usual time period until a suggestion post is put into voting

[dapper coral]

24 hours

[tawny garden]

24 hours

[silk echo]

about 24 hours?

[dapper coral]

always

[silk echo]

ah

[golden narwhal]

Unless a mod decides to approve it earlier

[tawny garden]

I was a biiit faster

[dapper coral]

wym

[tawny garden]

I sent "24 hours" just before you did
pls don't hit me I'm behaving like a 5 year old

[hollow shell]

3rd party
Demik wins

[dapper coral]

3 for 3

anyway uh

[tawny garden]

[dapper coral]

so i noticed something in the pins

[tawny garden]

pisscord

[hollow shell]

yeah the bot auto approves suggs after exactly 24 hours

[dapper coral]

can someone tell me when 🗜️ was added to suggposting

[hollow shell]

(when it's behaving properly)

[dapper coral]

because i've never seen this in my life

[hollow shell]

uhhh Amber did it recently while doing some maintenance

[tawny garden]

a long time ago, but it didn't work iirc

[hollow shell]

She only announced its existence like a month ago?

[tawny garden]

the bot only reacted with it once

[dapper coral]

wait
the bot (theoretically) reacts with it if it detects the title is no bueno?

[hollow shell]

yeah

[tawny garden]

when there was that sugg that had a lot of whitespace instead of a linebreak

[hollow shell]

When it attempts to autoapprove iirc

it'll react with that if there's an issue

[tawny garden]

I think it places it when it gets a "Bad Request" response from the API

[dapper coral]

huh

awesome

[tawny garden]

which is usually when a limit is exceeded

which is usually when the message is wonky

[hollow shell]

I would test it but I think the bot is having a stroke atm anyway

[tawny garden]

[summer sentinel]

Just blame discord and move on with it

[tawny garden]

pisscord

[dapper coral]

bot is doing funny, ye

[zenith hazel]

I mean it sorta worked

[dapper coral]

i suppose we can always react with it ourselves if necessary

[zenith hazel]

it still updates colors correctly

so I'd assume it would deliver stuff

[tawny garden]

yeah, it just can't repost

I assume it gets stuck while copying or smth

[hollow shell]

yeah we can do it ourselves

[tawny garden]

or it just can't determine that a sugg needs to be yeeted

[summer sentinel]

Rover is the better bot anyways

I mean what

[zenith hazel]

I can just test it rn to see whether it can deliver

but we can just wait for 2 more hours to see if it'd break again

[tawny garden]

I think testing won't hurt

[zenith hazel]

yep it works

no need to worry rn

[tawny garden]

[dapper coral]

naisu

[dapper coral]

okay so @wide patrol turns out that a) the sound can't really be reduced anyways because it's a vanilla sound, and b) even if it were possible Fab said it won't be changing anyways, at least for the foreseeable future

plus as ben said, it's a bit difficult to get it to the position where it does that anyways

[wide patrol]

i see

[tranquil perch]

you can delete the sound file from the game's files

[tranquil perch]

@clever dagger make it "blown up in hardmode" because brimstone crags have some hardmode loot buried in them

[clever dagger]

alright

just curious, what loot is there?

[hot zephyr]

Philosopher's Stone

[clever dagger]

ah i see

[simple fog]

There's the pole warpers sugg

[cobalt pewter]

@Dom give me RAINBOWS

[earnest cape]

Ah yes pole warpers

Is lauren emilia now?

[simple fog]

I don't know I took this off of google in a moment's notice

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

I should probably pitch up a Gauss Rifle rework later (and probably Pulse Dragon reskin on its lighting and electric projectiles)

[earnest cape]

oh hey i was right it's emilia

byeah anyways the sugg

[cobalt pewter]

Rifle because there's nothing about Gauss Rifle that says "Gauss" not that it's a truly definitive category anyways

And Pulse Dragon because it's supposed to be categorized as "pulse", yet it spawns Electrosphere projectiles

[earnest cape]

hey look man it's just the name

[cobalt pewter]

It's not only the name actually

As you can see here, the organization is based off class, tiers and the "type" of these weapons

1 weapon of each types per class and tier

[earnest cape]

are the colors what the item color is or

[cobalt pewter]

It's their "type"

Lemme get it

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

gauss (magnetic)
electricity (organic damage)
laser (less damage vs high def)
pulse (inorganic damage)
plasma (more damage vs high def)

Gauss is yellow, elec is blue, laser is red, pulse is purp, plasma is green

[earnest cape]

so you're saying pole warper should succ

which isn't really far from reality

[cobalt pewter]

Depends on what they'd want gauss type would be

But I see them as the "neutral" cases

All things aside, I always see pole warpers as underwhelming, both statistically and visually

[tranquil perch]

gauss type is the type whose gimmick is having no gimmick whatsoever

wait

[cobalt pewter]

I guess Gauss Dagger can be a starting point to develop on Gauss

[tranquil perch]

my english is kinda failing

[cobalt pewter]

And that also reminded me to sugg about making arsenal weapons have different rarities by their type

holy shit I have a lot in queue but either way

[tranquil perch]

no more rarity fuckery please

[cobalt pewter]

Stuff like Gauss Dagger and Wave Pounder can be Pale Yellow for example

Arsenal rarity is already excluded from rarity progression anyways

[tranquil perch]

mfw u wanna make rarity into a visual aspect of the weapon rather than something representing it's actual tier

[dapper coral]

that seems unnecessarily complicated tbh

also considering there are only 5 of each weapon type atm

it seems like it's not worth the effort

[cobalt pewter]

Probably

[tranquil perch]

how much effort does speccial rarity take

[dapper coral]

likely minimal

[cobalt pewter]

This is already the case with dev weapons

[dapper coral]

but at the same time, the amount of value splitting up rarities would provide is even less than the minimal effort required

[tranquil perch]

yea because dev weapons are the latest tier, and dev weapons have to be cool™️

[tawny garden]

Each unique rarity has to be programmed in a certain way to pulse

[tranquil perch]

dev weapons must "not be like other weapons"

[tawny garden]

I've seen the code in the files

[tranquil perch]

ofc you have

[cobalt pewter]

Me when

Me when Scarlet Devil is more bland than Final Dawn, just dumb high dmg and 2hoe ref

[tranquil perch]

you decompiled calamity

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

Dev weapon

What did you expect

[dapper coral]

dev weapons can do whatever the hell they want

[tranquil perch]

scarlet devil is just javelin mixed with bomb that trails funni orb

[dapper coral]

draedon weps cannot

[cobalt pewter]

And again, 2hoe ref

[tranquil perch]

or can they

[cobalt pewter]

That leads me back to Gauss Rifle and Pulse Dragon

Inconsistent lil shits

😳

[tranquil perch]

btw fun fact

i was testing gauss rifle today

and if you split it with elemental quiver, you can time it so the beam splits, becomes classless damage, then creates an explosion of ranged damage, which can split yet again

and its funny

but also looks cool

[ashen warren]

can I resugg this?

[cobalt pewter]

I don't think cal needs to do that, especially since another minor qol mod that does exactly that exists

[crude geode]

^

[ashen warren]

what's the name of said mod

[stable bolt]

fargo's mutant?

[cobalt pewter]

MaxStackPlus+ or something to that effect

Mutant does too I think

[stable bolt]

wait

oh

[cobalt pewter]

Since I never used the former

But mutant is always on

gaming

[ashen warren]

[sleek turret]

hmm.

[cobalt pewter]

mmhmm.

[sleek turret]

uhh, I guess its fine.

[cobalt pewter]

Was doing OD on stealth rogue with a couple options

Valediction, The Reaper, Time Bolt and Jaws of Oblivion

Turns out the jaws are straight up bad

[zealous ridge]

That makes sense

[cobalt pewter]

Valediction doesn't work as well on single targets like OD

[zealous ridge]

Strikes are bad

as u say in the sugg

[cobalt pewter]

The Reaper is best for most ocassions

While Time Bolt shreds OD in his tired state

[zealous ridge]

Ok so I’m thinking for jaws

[cobalt pewter]

I should probably eventually get around to making stealth strike doc™, not for suggestions, but I can yeet this to devs every now and then

[zealous ridge]

Yea

[wary oasis]

I have a sugg idea. For rouge weapons that lack proper stealth strikes how bout making the projectile travel for a further distance. For example: Fallen paladin's hammer's stealth strikes travels twice as far?. Its not much but its better than a simple dmg increase imo.

[zealous ridge]

Mm

That example might not work but I’m not sure

[eternal escarp]

well, the hammer will be melee now

[zealous ridge]

Mostly bc isn’t that weapon just gonna be melee now

[cobalt pewter]

The example won't work because hammers will be melee in 1.5

[zealous ridge]

Yeah

[wary oasis]

bruh

whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[zealous ridge]

mhm

[eternal escarp]

nanoblack reaper will be rogue afaik

[cobalt pewter]

Check pins in #calamity-mod-talk

[eternal escarp]

dunno what they will do with it

[zealous ridge]

It’s bc trying to remove melee rogue variants

[wary oasis]

bruh

[eternal escarp]

basically hammers + knives are melee

[cobalt pewter]

Actually you know what, imma fookin do the doc on my spare time

[wary oasis]

rouge only gonna have 2 scal weapons then

[cobalt pewter]

Either way

Jaws are pretty nyech on stealth

[eternal escarp]

red devil and reaper?

[cobalt pewter]

Ye

[eternal escarp]

tbh they are both pretty good

so i dont think theres a big need for any more, atm

[wary oasis]

yea

[zealous ridge]

Not too much, I suppose

[wary oasis]

but melee has several times more

just seems off to me

[zealous ridge]

also melee has fuck ton of scal weapons yea

[cobalt pewter]

Melee™ is just

Yeah

[zealous ridge]

That’s more a melee problem everywhere in any case

[eternal escarp]

melee always gets a fuck ton of weapons tbh, its just how melee works

[eternal escarp]

exactly lol

[zealous ridge]

no it’s how calamity works lol

[wary oasis]

summon and rouge need love imo.

[tawny garden]

dev weapons, what did you expect

[eternal escarp]

i mean even in vanilla, melee gets more praise then most classes

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Nope, it's a common case for most content mods

[tawny garden]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Melee™ is a common thing

[zealous ridge]

not even praise just more copied content

it’s a bad precedent but it is hard to deny it’s a thing

[tawny garden]

cause Terraria was always associated with melee, as I remember

[zealous ridge]

It’s why modded boss design is usually not much better than vanilla

[tawny garden]

even like

5 years ago

[cobalt pewter]

I need to work on my main mod, which makes everything melee true melee oriented

[zealous ridge]

well they were early ass additions bc they were easy

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

but all of them are the fucking same

[tawny garden]

[zealous ridge]

8 ore swords

6 more in hm

and spears for that too

[eternal escarp]

its the same sword but bigger

[zealous ridge]

They do nothing different

yes

[cobalt pewter]

Okay anyway, this channel shows its King of Derail™ status again

Back to suggs heathen

[eternal escarp]

beam swords are just terra blade but badder, which iirc fabsol intends to change (was kinda talked about in #calamity-mod-talk i think?)

[zealous ridge]

Point is it’s an issue but it’s hard to really fix at this point

[eternal escarp]

^

[zealous ridge]

because all of its in

in any case

[eternal escarp]

we just have to live with the fact of melee is mixed class but bonus gaining

[zealous ridge]

I would rather not, but back to jaws

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah, jaws

legit never used them

[zealous ridge]

yes they’re bad

vampire knives but blue and debuffs and no lifesteal

so, bad lmao

[cobalt pewter]

Jaws might probably be decent on spam vs OD since you have usually clear path to hit him with all teeth per shot

But the weapon is too oriented around spam

And the stealth strike doesn't really fix this

[zealous ridge]

Could make jaws sequential volleys of knives at higher velocity and projectile density

[eternal escarp]

tbh as much as i prefer spam, some stealth strikes are way cooler and better, kinda sad this weapon has a meh strike

[cobalt pewter]

I can definitely attest to Nychthemeron having god stealth

[zealous ridge]

w/ strike

[cobalt pewter]