suggestions-discussion

[zenith hazel]

which again, can be hard and not really worth the hassle

[velvet locust]

maybe make it so that it scales with armor and accesories

[visual wigeon]

That's the only way to determine class

[cobalt pewter]

The closest I can think of are probably what dmg type kills the boss or depending on the weapon player is holding when the boss dies

[velvet locust]

like if you have a summoner loadout, you get summoner items

[earnest cape]

I mean drp can know what class you're using when holding a specific weapon

[velvet locust]

but that is harder i think

[cobalt pewter]

The latter can be abused, but ig making it a first kill thing as well is fine

[earnest cape]

Discord rich precense*

[cobalt pewter]

Though you do need to hold a weapon

[zenith hazel]

I can just ask

[stable bolt]

ignore me if this sounds dumb, but maybe it could check for the players highest Proficiency?

[sleek hornet]

how aboutif you dont have any armor? or mixed class loadout like fearmonger, omega blue or generic armor like crimson and mixed acc?

[zenith hazel]

@radiant meadow how hard is it to pull something like this off?

[cobalt pewter]

Proficiency

[velvet locust]

that could work

[cobalt pewter]

That's a different take of this

[radiant meadow]

pull what off?

[velvet locust]

im just tryna make boss farming easier

[zenith hazel]

using highest proficiency to determine which class stuff to drop from bosses

[visual wigeon]

If you have mixed class no drop rates should increase

[velvet locust]

yes

[radiant meadow]

that would require completely rewriting the drop code formula and would not work in normal mode

normal mode multiplayer that is I mean

[visual wigeon]

Fair

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes, multifucker multiplayer

[stable bolt]

perhapes if it get implemented it could be togglable in configs?

[cobalt pewter]

Very cool

[velvet locust]

i think it could be revengence/expert mode exclusive

[zenith hazel]

the problem isn’t exclusivity

it’s implementation

[velvet locust]

hmmmmmmmm

so what the problem

[cobalt pewter]

The issue with this is def multiplayer it's gonna be a fuck

[radiant meadow]

I just don't want to rewrite the weapon drop code formula again.,.,.,.,..jjfjfsssggg

[zenith hazel]

ben just said what the problem was

[velvet locust]

make it so that boss drops scale with amount of players

[sleek hornet]

loot table is a mess, even just for wiki purposes

[stable bolt]

for multiplayer, could it check the Proficiency of the player when they open a treasure bag?

[radiant meadow]

there are no treasure bags in normal mode

[stable bolt]

true

[velvet locust]

or make it expert exclusive so that the treasure bag code vanilla has for multiplayer can be used to help out the code

[radiant meadow]

also, when things drop per player, e.g. scal's weapon drops, it only rolls once and then whatever the roll was everyone gets

[earnest cape]

arma normal

[radiant meadow]

e.g. 20 people defeating scal in mp would get 20 scarlet devils

[velvet locust]

also btw i have no experience with code

[stable bolt]

oh, i didn't know that

[tawny garden]

also proficiency wouldn't properly work either because e.g. my summoner proficiency tends to skyrocket even tho I am no summoner

boohoo

[velvet locust]

ok, so maybe proficiency wont work

[cobalt pewter]

you're just using minions with other classes philo

[velvet locust]

how about armor

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

yes

[sleek hornet]

wood, fearmonger and omega blue :

[tawny garden]

you're just using minions with other classes philo
against bosses they suck

[velvet locust]

accesories

armor and accesories

[zenith hazel]

that’d probably be just as hard, maybe even harder with accs

[visual wigeon]

I think it would add more to the proficiency system bc you wouldn't use minions as much so you would get your class drops

[velvet locust]

how about this

[sleek hornet]

mixed class acc? im Crabbar's DAD playtrough for eample he equips rogue and summner acc at once

[velvet locust]

it is a point system

[tawny garden]

ohgod

[stable bolt]

??

[velvet locust]

if you are using spider armor, each piece would be 1 point for summoner

[visual wigeon]

I feel like proficiency is much more doable than anything that involves accessories

[velvet locust]

if it is mixed class, it would be 1 point for every class

[zenith hazel]

that just sounds like proficiency with extra steps

[sleek hornet]

or just pointless because there would be no class affected

[visual wigeon]

TK what do you think about the point system before it gets out of hand

[stable bolt]

i think we should stick to Proficiency

but thats just me

[velvet locust]

if it is an accesory that is mainly 1 class but useful for all classes (ex. shield of cuthulu), it would be 2 points for melee and 1 point for every other class

[tawny garden]

I think we should stick to status quo

[visual wigeon]

I agree but then again this Sugg might not make it through posting

With proficiency

[radiant meadow]

the most feasible thing to do would be to increase/decrease the chance of obtaining a weapon based on proficiency levels (all of them, not just your highest) for treasure bags (so normal mode and scal would be unaffected)
(or alternatively do nothing and save my sanity)

[zenith hazel]

using proficiency as a baseline is a good idea on paper, but unfeasible to execute

[earnest cape]

Do both

[velvet locust]

wdym

oh

well, maybe using the code that makes the summoner nerf a thing could help as a baseline

[visual wigeon]

I don't think this deserves an exclamation but I'm not a mod or a dev so

[stable bolt]

i think it sounds like a good idea on paper, but would require too much work

[visual wigeon]

See how it does in posting then the devs can reject it if it reaches the goal

[radiant meadow]

oh i almost forgot

adjusting vanilla drop rates is aids so don't use moon lord as an example

[sleek hornet]

dont even look at dark mage's

[radiant meadow]

what I was talking about was only referring to calamity bosses

[earnest cape]

Red code™️

™️

[sleek hornet]

but you said vanilla drops (?)

[radiant meadow]

I wouldn't go that far to throw shade at vanilla code tbh

[earnest cape]

Fair enough

[sleek hornet]

I will

[velvet locust]

it could be used for post moon lord bosses where everything is aids to beat

[visual wigeon]

Ok so remove moon Lord and add that part and I think you have a good suggestion

[velvet locust]

ok

there

[visual wigeon]

I approve but others might still have critiques for you

[velvet locust]

there no exclamation

[tranquil perch]

enchanted metal has no reason to exist

[frail mantle]

should probably explain how many things both of those materials are used for

[tranquil perch]

ok

hold on

cant send images

oh well

[frail mantle]

post an image link

or just write what they're used for

both work

[tranquil perch]

bezoar
1 murky paste and 15 stingers
could be substituted with vine and jungle spore
living dew
2 vines, 5 murky paste, 10 bee wax, 1 bezoar
could be just removed or substituted with jungle spores
portabulb
15 jungle spores, 10 souls of night and light, 3 murky paste, 1 vine, and 1 trapper bulb
can be just removed

[frail mantle]

no just write the names of what they're used for

[tranquil perch]

what

oh i thinki understand

[velvet locust]

am i supposed to be here?

[tranquil perch]

idk

[cobalt pewter]

Enchanted Metal removal has been approved

[tranquil perch]

wait really

no, right

[frail mantle]

if the suggestion is accepted the devs'll figure out what to replace the materials with

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

[tranquil perch]

oh

[tawny garden]

approved != implemented

[tranquil perch]

my bad then

[tawny garden]

it can still be a bluecheck

[cobalt pewter]

I mean imo it's better to focus on Murky Paste doe.....,.,.,

Byech

[tranquil perch]

there i edited it

[velvet locust]

also what does ! mean when i post a suggestion

[tranquil perch]

now only says remove murky paste

[tranquil perch]

it has a problem

[velvet locust]

ok

[tawny garden]

1. it's not a suggestion related to the calamity mod
2. it has improper styling (no linebreak between the title and reason)
3. it's breaking a don't
4. it has a factual error

either of these warrant a ❗

[tranquil perch]

imma edit my suggestion to include trapper bulbs actually

[tawny garden]

ah ye good idea

[sharp prism]

fuck trapper bulbs

i hate them

[tawny garden]

I think Thomas sugged the removal of the material bloat

don't remember where it went

[sharp prism]

remove materials in general tbh

:)))))

[tawny garden]

:(((((

my precious crafting recipe system for the wiki

nooooo

[tranquil perch]

there

i edited it

[sharp prism]

[tawny garden]

no

a bunch of pure materials were removed

but these weren't

[[1.4.5.006]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/1.4.5.006

[sand umbra]

Trapper Bulbs are fine I think

(the Jungle lacks a consistently-farmable Hardmde material otherwise)

Murky Paste can probably afford to get Thanos'd though

[pine star]

Yeah it can

It only crafts two things really worth considering

(Living Dew and Portabulb)

[sand umbra]

and Spiked Jungle Slimes already act as an additional source of Stingers anyway

[pine star]

yeah

[sand umbra]

"but muh Arapaima repr--"

dude

I don't think anyone cares about these fish when they do have a material drop

[pine star]

ARAPAIMAS SUCK

Except for farming pirate maps

[sand umbra]

nothing of value would be lost by just removing Arapaimas from the game outright

[pine star]

yeah

Also IMO Ectoblood can be yeeted and Dungeon Spirits drop more Ectoplasm

[sturdy geyser]

they are kinda good for biome key farming

[sand umbra]

don't bother trying Ectoblood

I already tried to push for Ectoblood death

twice

[pine star]

I shall try

[frozen storm]

Whaddaya think of that?

[sand umbra]

and both times I got beaten up by the unwritten rule of "if it makes my life easier I don't want it to be removed"

your success will come no easier

[pine star]

Say "Remove Ectoblood, and increase the amount of Ectoplasm Dungeon Spirits drop"

Maybe that might work?

[sand umbra]

mm

[frozen storm]

What do you think of my suggestion?

[pine star]

You should replace invincible with untargetable by summons

[frozen storm]

Thanks

But it is ok?

[cobalt pewter]

At least Enchanted Metal killing went through devmocracy

[pine star]

There are also a bunch of spelling mistakes

[cobalt pewter]

Now to just wait for it to be removed in approx. 2024

[pine star]

:hahaech:

[frozen storm]

I'm quite bad at Engrish

[pine star]

oh

[sand umbra]

third time's the charm question mark?

[pine star]

Maybe?

Especially now that people don't think you're trying to make life harder

[sand umbra]

byeah

should be clear now that I don't wanna make people's lives harder
not with how prominent Ectoplasm is in Calamity

if it only had its vanilla level of importance I wouldn't care but Ectoplasm is extremely important to entirely too many crafting recipes, directly or otherwise

[frozen storm]

You can farm money with ectoblood

[sand umbra]

you can farm money with DS or KS

what's your point

[pine star]

I guess is the point?

And you can farm money with EoC armageddon

[frozen storm]

EoW is kinda eh

BoC is better

[distant gyro]

or just

no compensation

[cobalt pewter]

Arma is meant for pain

[pine star]

oh

oops

[distant gyro]

from what I can see ectoplasm is easier to farm than, say, lunar frags or maybe even something like rotten chunks

(the cdmp experience)

[frozen storm]

Finally wiki editor got their color

[pine star]

The compensation is just to get people to like it more

[cobalt pewter]

Ectoplasm hm

[pine star]

Thomas already did the same sugg, no compensation, and people didn't like it

TWICE

[sand umbra]

byeah

[distant gyro]

tl;dr people don't like farming

[frozen storm]

tl dr?

[cobalt pewter]

TL;DR grinding is cringe

[cobalt pewter]

Too long didn't read

[distant gyro]

if you make a suggestion to give people a cheat interface you have a coinflip it will get 200 stars

even though it's blatantly a cheat interface

[pine star]

[frozen storm]

Thx

[distant gyro]

[pine star]

[sand umbra]

I just want Ectoblood to die okay

[pine star]

is that not a noble cause

[sand umbra]

it's a boring-ass material that people only like because it makes a disturbingly-prominent-in-Calamity vanilla material easier to farm

[pine star]

Disturbingly?

[distant gyro]

too bad you take more time to craft ectoplasm than to get ectoplasm yourself

[pine star]

Why is it disturbing?

[distant gyro]

ectoblood essentially becomes "whoops I just ran out of ectoplasm lemme go get some from my 4.5k ectoblood stack"

something that would be fun to mention

[pine star]

yeah

[pine star]

Seems like a nice sugg

[cobalt pewter]

thanc ig

[tawny garden]

made with Darksun Fragments
you wanted to go further in progression but sugg don'ts didn't let you?

[pine star]

no

[cobalt pewter]

that's the best I can do without dipping into SIS mate

[sharp prism]

in 1.5 buffed eclipse is a post-dog

[cobalt pewter]

we're not gonna talk future content ig

[cobalt pewter]

that's future content, equivalent to #changelogs

[pine star]

that's in the future

[ashen warren]

3 buffed events

:scary:

darksun to post dog

please do so

[cobalt pewter]

That's why I'm making it as vague as possible by mentioning the required material

[zealous ridge]

Yooo that’s actually happening

fuck yes

[ashen warren]

:Scary:

[zealous ridge]

I’ve been thinking bout that since like fucking 2 years ago

[tawny garden]

but why mention the material at all?

if you wanna be vague

[zealous ridge]

Well at this point

Darksun is pretty much what the tier is, generally

[terse sundial]

(darksun tier is up in the air)

[zealous ridge]

Like anything post p1 is just, darksun because all of the things you make at that point are gated because of that material

[terse sundial]

(being post-DoG isn't finalized)

[cobalt pewter]

1. Thematics (the Umbraphile armor upgrade wouldn't work as well without the mention of Darksun)
2. I wanna account for whatever Fab said, yes, hence why I'm not pointing at the progression point, I'm pointing at the material.

[zealous ridge]

alright, I still think it would be good though, meek

[tawny garden]

aight

[zealous ridge]

irregardless of what changes I just wish that nightmare/endo/darksun just get their own events lol

[limber ocean]

maybe in the future?

[zealous ridge]

Well ofc

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

it must happen within 20 hours or I’m KILL YOU

[limber ocean]

why me, what'd I do?

[zealous ridge]

the point is

[tawny garden]

"within 20 hours" is still The Future

[zealous ridge]

more content that isn’t revisited

[crude geode]

You mean content that is used once and completely ignored afterwards, like Brimstone Crags for 3/5 classes and Astral Ore?

[zealous ridge]

Well, no that wasn’t my point there

That is a similar issue

[crude geode]

I was aware, I wanted you to make the distinction between the two issues

[zealous ridge]

They’re different sides of a coin in a way

[crude geode]

Calamity does in fact like to revisit things it doesn’t really have to, see also polterghast and the dungeon, as well as solar eclipse/the moons. However, it also likes to abandon things very easily, and not care about them. See things such as the Sunken Sea, Crags, and Astral Ore

Crags I feel suffers the most from this

[zealous ridge]

Biome wise it’s a noticeable thing

[hot zephyr]

There's a few reasons to visit crags

[crude geode]

not as much as you’d like to believe

[zealous ridge]

But in some aspects this is present in vanilla, for instance

[hot zephyr]

In pre-hardmode there's a ranged flamethrower, in Hardmode brimmy, post cal for the ore, endgame for Gael's

[zealous ridge]

is charred post cal now?

very interesting

[crude geode]

endgame for a sword, pre-hm a ranged flamethrower from fishing (no calamity player is going to do it) and you don’t have to be post cal iirc

[hot zephyr]

brimlash, brimflame

[zealous ridge]

brimlash and brimflame are a bit harder to justify

Because they just need the ashes

[crude geode]

^

[zealous ridge]

you could have just gotten the cores before

[hot zephyr]

Regardless

[crude geode]

Compared to every other modded biome, it is lacking as hell.

[zealous ridge]

post prov there’s bloodstone but that is handled very poorly

[unreal viper]

I do agree that crags are very skippable. Also pretty plain

They need some love

Bloodstone shouldn't have anything to do with crags

Like what is the connection?

[zealous ridge]

bloodstone shouldn’t have anything to do with anything really

[tawny garden]

isn't there some lore about that or smth?

[zealous ridge]

It’s unlike any of its sources in theme

[crude geode]

Technically ravager maybe if you squint

But I hate ravager’s theme

[zealous ridge]

Tangentially

[tawny garden]

(although lore is a weak point, I agree)

[zealous ridge]

at best

[crude geode]

Ravager’s lore is garbage but that’s another problem for another day

[cobalt pewter]

Pre hm you can get Obsidian Swordfish with Slurper Pole

[zealous ridge]

LMAO REALLY

[crude geode]

wow very epic

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

Ravager’s lore is garbage but that’s another problem for another day
@sinful violet iirc

[crude geode]

people still won’t use it

[zealous ridge]

I mean technically speaking 1.3 doesn’t have lava fishing until hm

[cobalt pewter]

Actually it do be working pretty fine for true melee skelly

Now that Gauss Dagger is back to garbage status

[zealous ridge]

but that can’t be a thing in 1.4

[crude geode]

calamity players won’t use it because it involves fishing*

[tawny garden]

yeah, 1.4 fixed stuff

[cobalt pewter]

haha cheat sheet go brr

[sharp prism]

fishing is pog

[unreal viper]

fishing op

ngl

[zealous ridge]

crags is just generally lacking

[crude geode]

Byech, calamity abandons brimstone crags faster than a father going to buy cigarattes

[zealous ridge]

Mostly, because there is no point to be there for any significant period of time

no real requirement for grinding, collecting the ore is piss easy

enemies are also very easy

the longest you’ll spend there is making a brimmy arena

But that is the Only reason you’d be there for a while

almost always

If you’re a meme you fish for blood fins

[crude geode]

I had an idea for a sugg about it getting some late pre-hm gear in the shadow chests instead of meh shadow chest loot. Prolly’ll post it at some point.

[zealous ridge]

that’s the second longest time you’ll spend

move Gehenna to those chests tbh

terrible accessory that would actually be useful in hardmode as a successor to the pendant

[crude geode]

move anything to those chests besides normal shadow chest loot

[zealous ridge]

It does drop a philosophers stone and obsidian rose, in all fairness

Unless that was fucked

[pine star]

It wasn't

[zealous ridge]

or you’re talking about surface crags

In which case, yea it’s just shadow loot

[crude geode]

I was mainly

Also if there’s something that needs to be changed, it’s Ravager’s theming around blood. Boring, barely relates to his boss fight (he doesn’t regen or anything, he just forms stone pillars and blue flames for no reason), and is done before in vanilla terraria.

[zealous ridge]

Could see parallels made to the rusty chest loot

well yes it’s a disgusting amalgamation of magic and blood

I think flesh construct is an ok theme, but it tried to do too much

crimson is less flesh construct and more flesh growth

[crude geode]

...but why do flesh construct when flesh growth is already in the game, and you could instead do something like armor related?

[zealous ridge]

alongside being a construct, it is also a crucible of souls, has geodes in it, creates ghoulish fire magic, and has power to move rock

[crude geode]

wow that’s the most succinct I think I’ve seen Ravager’s theming

[zealous ridge]

flesh construct implies it 1. Serves a higher creator and 2. Is not biological exactly but more an arcane assembly of flesh

It’s workable

But it needs focus

[crude geode]

The problem with that

What the fuck does Ravager serve

In lore it slaughters it’s creators and now just roams

[zealous ridge]

That’s more a question of lore, unless I misinterpret

[tawny garden]

this is kinda straying away from suggs

[pine star]

The reason why the creators died was out of desperation, they forgot to add a clause

[zealous ridge]

yea

[pine star]

yeah

[tawny garden]

#lore-discussion

[crude geode]

I’m mainly bringing this up Bc I’m thinking about suggesting, Philo

[tawny garden]

but I think it's an abomination which it has made of itself

[crude geode]

and to see if there’s reasoning behind this garbage theming before I suggest changing

[tawny garden]

or some shit of that sort

[zealous ridge]

yeh, in essence I feel that it needs way more focus

[crude geode]

Agreed.

[zealous ridge]

The fact that it drops fucking bars of life and cores of cal stuff is so unrelated to anything imo

[crude geode]

it’s because haha funny farm boss.

[zealous ridge]

the stone is ok I guess, being a construct it kind of makes sense being golem-like

[cobalt pewter]

Ravager is the prime funne low% boss

[zealous ridge]

Anything involving the detached parts is ridiculous

it shoots Lizahard lasers which is just terrible

His attacks are also pretty bad, the pillars are goofy and it’s a similar situation with torches

[crude geode]

Suggested

[gray nebula]

what even is that asking for i think

just give the pillars legs

[crude geode]

I hope you’re talking about Chozo’s point and not my sugg

[gray nebula]

yeah

[crude geode]

Thought so

[gray nebula]

well im saying "what is that asking for" about ur sugg

THE pillar

run!

[crude geode]

oh god oh fuck-

[zealous ridge]

Fsuform c

love that

but like actually would be more interesting

[pine star]

Oh god

That would be really scary

[gray nebula]

clearly unironic idea

[zealous ridge]

Still goofy as hell but at least we don’t have big ass logs hopping around with no possible way to do it

[crude geode]

I’m mainly asking for Ravager’s theming to not be all over the place. He moves stone, summons fire, is related to blood, and is also apparently connected to bars of life and the core of calamity itself.

[gray nebula]

well giving the pillar legs fixes one of them

[tawny garden]

I think the sugg title should be "Make the Ravager’s Theming more focused"
clearer that way

[zealous ridge]

well even if it was ironic, my point is that even this joke would actually be more interesting

[gray nebula]

then it being related to blood is litterally because its necromancy

it summoning blue fire is also necromancy

[zealous ridge]

Somewhat, yes

[gray nebula]

?? idk i mean ravager being necromancy man doesnt seem that hard to grasp

[zealous ridge]

the fucking drills though

[gray nebula]

then he drops the minerals and shit because excavation

[zealous ridge]

what

[crude geode]

...summoning blue fire doesn’t seem that connected to necromancy to me

[pine star]

what

[zealous ridge]

Where is excavation coming from?

[gray nebula]

idk i thought he excavated

[crude geode]

Since when????

[tawny garden]

no

[zealous ridge]

well I don’t think that needs to exist lol

[gray nebula]

ha

[sinful violet]

ravager movement itself is a mess don't even bother trying to get that changed

[gray nebula]

also idk what you mean by "summoning blue fire doesnt seem that connected to necromancy to me"

[sinful violet]

also having early hm accs in crags would be

godawful idea

[gray nebula]

dude's litterally got blue fire on it

[sinful violet]

shrines 2 lol

[zealous ridge]

well, that wasn’t the idea

Like, unique items iirc

[unreal viper]

oh, it's mrrp.

[crude geode]

^

[sinful violet]

unique items would be the optimal idea yep

[unreal viper]

Mrrp, do you know why ravager drops materials like perenial bars and stuff.

[sinful violet]

numero uno

[unreal viper]

?

[tawny garden]

he's here cause I pinged him

[sinful violet]

spanish for number one

[zealous ridge]

yea I don’t want sun stone pre-hm any more than anyone else lol

[sinful violet]

(i think)

someone can correct me on that

[zealous ridge]

That’s how it would be yea

[eternal escarp]

no i think youre right

[dapper coral]

you are correct

[unreal viper]

Cursed, you might wanna mention his pretty random material drops in the sugg.

[tawny garden]

Demik whips out his spanish skills for once

[pine star]

[crude geode]

pretty random material drops is the reason for geodes

[sinful violet]

as for ravager

[crude geode]

being mentioned

[sinful violet]

good luck lol

[gray nebula]

i mean apart from his random mat drops litterally everything else is kinda consistent?

plus yeah geodes exist so he just drops the rock hes made of and the rock hes made of contains wacky shit i guess ? unless

[crude geode]

I don't get the whole summons pillars of stone "It's necromancy"

[gray nebula]

turn the pillars of stone into necromancy pillars and we good

[crude geode]

if he's made of rock how tf is it necromancy

[zealous ridge]

I think his detaching parts right now are pretty bad and random theme wise

[crude geode]

is it flesh or stone?

[eternal escarp]

necromantic rocks?

flesh infused rocks?

idk

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[zealous ridge]

missile shots from the head, golem lasers, exploding drills??????

[crude geode]

^

[gray nebula]

drills = excavation it makes sense now

[zealous ridge]

I still don’t like the excavation thing

[crude geode]

except that completely conflicts with why he was created

[tawny garden]

solution

[gray nebula]

anyways make the ravager look like something instead

[tawny garden]

remove ravager

[gray nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404776393117925376/489076274258771968/image0.jpg

hi

by runefield

[zealous ridge]

like, ok it’s a flesh golem, but also it’s rock and precious metal filled, and also it excavates rock with mining implements and also it shoots golem lasers and missiles and stomps and hes awesome

[gray nebula]

or ziggums one

[zealous ridge]

Like, you see how this feels like an oc boss trying to shove too much in one idea

[pine star]

I don't think Ravager is awesome

[zealous ridge]

Also those arts are great

[eternal escarp]

are those concept arts?

[eternal escarp]

^

[tulip parcel]

Ravager was built by the lihzahrd reportedly, yeah?

[zealous ridge]

That’s also a thing

Random connection to temple lol

[crude geode]

Crabulon Theme: mushroom but crab
DoG Theme: Worm but Space and Metal
Astrum Aureus: Infected Robot
Ravager Theme: Rock but also it's mixed with Necromantic Flesh that makes blue flames even tho that seems dangerous around flesh, also it excavates with drills, also a lot of skulls to justify the necromancy

[gray nebula]

ravager theme : necromancy of flesh and rock

EZ

[zealous ridge]

yes focus on that

[gray nebula]

• rock pillars

[crude geode]

how do you necromance rock

[tulip parcel]

I mean

[gray nebula]

rock pillars can be easily turned into necromantic pillar of thing

[zealous ridge]

chop down on everything else

[tulip parcel]

with a big stick

whenever you cut a rock with a pickaxe

[gray nebula]

idk bro i mean like bruh cmon have some imagination

[tulip parcel]

it leaves the ghost of that rock behind

resurrect that ghost

[gray nebula]

cal's bros dont look very fleshy do they

[tulip parcel]

boom, ghost rock

[crude geode]

~~they look like cool giant eyes/mouths and that's all I notice ~~

[dapper coral]

cataclysm is pretty fleshy, and he's the only one that's supposed to be fleshboi

[tawny garden]

they're both eyes

[crude geode]

Personally I just feel like a lot of the flame/golem lasers and extra materials like geodes can be cut away in favor of actually justifying the rock/flesh necromancy also the connection to lizhard temple bc that only furthers the comparison with golem

[tawny garden]

an eye is like 99% water

more or less

[zealous ridge]

instead of water they are 99% blood

[crude geode]

when did this come up

[tawny garden]

blood is made of water

[gray nebula]

golem lasers just seem to be like artifacts from it being based off of golem

lol!!

i dont see why youguys are having such a hard time wrapping ur head around the fire tho

[tawny garden]

ah yes

golem here is based off of golem

[eternal escarp]

blue fire is just magical fire tbh or gas fire

i guess its used in media sometimes, so i see a connection atleast

[gray nebula]

https://twitter.com/jouste/status/1326607242733314048

jesse turner (@jouste)

The Wheredigo!
Clambering through the forest and tragically vegetarian it's the terrifying Wheredigo! Ostracized by its brethren and exiled from the haunted forest it once called home, this carrot consuming creature is one misunderstood monstrosity! #characterdesign #wendigo

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Twitter · Nov 11, 2020, 7:26 PM

from cool artist i like

he often makes "necromantic"/undead creatures

.. WITH FIRE????

[novel belfry]

honestly i think ravager is weird for a boss clone
it's pretty much just after golem, which is the boss that happens to be what ravager is based on

[gray nebula]

holy crp this is breaking the theme so much im going to explode

[sturdy geyser]

fire can be associated with necromancy

[novel belfry]

the existence of golem insures the existence of golem

[eternal escarp]

tbh i think ravager doesnt have a mumble jumble theme, the necromantic thing isnt hard to pick on if you think a bit

[tulip parcel]

one of my favorite necromantic monster things is the vaal oversoul from path of exile

[gray nebula]

https://twitter.com/jouste/status/1313323548589486081

... green fire??? thats not necromantic at all??? AND ITS GOT METAL??? WHat how unfocused is that

jesse turner (@jouste)

The Leaver!
Combining a horrific spine-o-ratchet with an amalgamation of cursed tissue has resulted in this cowering cretin! Initially far too chicken-hearted to become dangerous, a lever was installed in its back to give some temporary backbone with a quick yank of the handle!

Likes

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Twitter · Oct 6, 2020, 3:41 AM

trash design

[tulip parcel]

lemme see if I can find a good image of it...

[gray nebula]

ok bascially u got me

fire and rock/metal additions arent that theme breaking

[eternal escarp]

i mean it has skulls on it, flesh, rocks sometimes thrown in, necromantic things are supposed to be messy, arent they?

^ correct me if not ^

[tulip parcel]

they're not -supposed- to be messy but they usually are

[gray nebula]

dreaded "flesh amalgamation" design concept

[sturdy geyser]

but well, this mixing of elements can work, and on ravager i dont think they really do

[gray nebula]

rav is one of the best necromantic type designs

vs like perf

[eternal escarp]

ah, so its a bi-product of necromancy then
kinda?

[gray nebula]

idk

[eternal escarp]

wait wrong reply, sorry

[eternal escarp]

ment this

[gray nebula]

im just trashing on the theme of "haha its almagamation of flesh" concepts that are way too common for crimson bosses etc

[tulip parcel]

okay so this is the best image I could get of it

a random screenrip, but GGG doesn't disseminate their models

like, the way I see it, "necromantic construct" is incredibly broad

[crude geode]

this is a terraria mod you're making tbh, you have to acknowledge the base game's BoC being amalgamation of flesh, and stick with that theme for the crimson.

[tulip parcel]

the vaal oversoul obviously leans more towards being "corpse robot"

but ravager does as well, more or less

[gray nebula]

" base game's BoC being amalgamation of flesh"

top 10 blatant lies

[tulip parcel]

BoC isn't an amalgamation of flesh

[gray nebula]

look at boc again and tell me with a straight face its an amalgamation of flesh

[tulip parcel]

it's literally just

cthulu's brain

according to 1.4 lore

[eternal escarp]

BoC isnt an amalgam, its just a big brain with a heart with an eye
ig?

[sharp prism]

its not

[tulip parcel]

the perforators are an amalgamation of flesh

the EoW isn't, the hivemind isn't, and the brain isn't

[eternal escarp]

yeah i see that in perfs

[zealous ridge]

The idea isn’t flesh amalgamate

It would be flesh golem

bc amalgamate is too much like crimson

a flesh golem is distinct enough, I feel

[crude geode]

^
that's what I was trying to get across
god I'm gonna pass tf out at some point

[tulip parcel]

flesh golems are already really...

fitting, though

[zealous ridge]

for crim?

[gray nebula]

isnt ravager flesh golem

[tulip parcel]

you wanna know what typical flesh golems look like?

[hot zephyr]

Perforators? That's just BoC texture on EoW's body

[hot zephyr]

I honestly don't understand what we're talking about

[tulip parcel]

in fantasy they're various fucked up "was once human" things

[zealous ridge]

mhm

[crude geode]

oh wow it's something that isn't pixel graphics

[zealous ridge]

and that’s kind of what is being gotten at here

[tulip parcel]

I don't see it really

ravager looks fine as he is

[zealous ridge]

well I think it’s fine how he looks rn

I think it fits broadly into flesh golem yknow

his design is fine, it’s workable

[eternal escarp]

about ravagers theming

[hot zephyr]

What's wrong about it?

[eternal escarp]

some of them think he is a mess, some dont

[hot zephyr]

I think Ravager's theme works; it's a lot of things thrown together because canonically it was made in a last ditch effort, combining a bunch of shit in a panic as a last stand against Yharim's forces, no?

[zealous ridge]

The fact that he shoots drills and drops bar of life mats and fucks around with other really odd attacks that don’t really fit into that is what I’m really talking about

yes

But I find it hard to justify many of his features

[hot zephyr]

Bars of life is more of a gameplay thing than a lore reason

[eternal escarp]

tbh dropping bars of life imo is a gameplay mechanic, and nothing else

[zealous ridge]

Using that as a catch all response ignores the clashing of themes

[crude geode]

^

[zealous ridge]

If it’s gameplay why does it have to be tied to rav at all, then

[hardy dock]

Life Alloy would be horrific to obtain without Ravager

[crude geode]

Also, if he's meant to represent necromancy, then why is he one of the few bosses to not summon minions that aren't walls of stone and fire

[zealous ridge]

Well that’s more the fact that he himself is a minion

[eternal escarp]

he is after golem, so i guess he is the boss that at his time, all 3 bars are available, but you dont get to farm them untill u already used them for fights

[zealous ridge]

And he kind of does have adds, in the form of his detached parts

[hardy dock]

It's not a necromancer, it's a product of necromancy

[eternal escarp]

his head ig?

[crude geode]

that's like saying golem's head is his minion.

[eternal escarp]

but he is the product of it, not one himself

[zealous ridge]

It kind of is though lol

[wispy river]

idk i feel like those type of music suggestions would be a nono

[crude geode]

I guess, but that devalues his boss fight if you're just calling him a minion.

[zealous ridge]

I feel like rav has no reason to be tied to excavation and bulk common material farming

[crude geode]

^

[zealous ridge]

if you’re gonna do that, give it to armored digger

[crude geode]

^

[zealous ridge]

makes far more sense

[sleek girder]

yeah

[hardy dock]

Imagine grinding Life Alloy without Ravager

[eternal escarp]

i mean, it makes sense from lore

[hardy dock]

That would be hell

[zealous ridge]

yeh I know

[eternal escarp]

but gameplay? less

[wispy river]

ok the start of the theme reminds me alot of raw unfilterd calamity

[zealous ridge]

why not?

[eternal escarp]

since all the bars he drops are after golem basically

[sleek girder]

i didn't grind ravager for alloy and i was fine

[hardy dock]

There are a lot of things in Calamity that sacrifice lore for gameplay mechanics

[sleek girder]

i just mined it all with spelunker

[eternal escarp]

yeah, thats what im saying

[eternal escarp]

that ravager dropping the geode makes complete sense, from gameplay standpoint

[zealous ridge]

I don’t agree?

[wispy river]

I mean the theme that i find boring is brimstone elemental

[eternal escarp]

since the last of the bars are post golem

[hardy dock]

Ok so we agree.

[zealous ridge]

what do you even mean by makes sense

[hardy dock]

Even if it didn't, it wouldn't matter

[zealous ridge]

that’s an odd way of justifying it

because literally anything post golem would do

[crude geode]

Justifying it by saying some boss has to give the bars is not a good reason.

[eternal escarp]

true

[hardy dock]

LIFE Alloy

[eternal escarp]

but they chose ravager

[zealous ridge]

Give duke fishron fish geodes that drop bars, like by your logic it’s the exact same idea

[wispy river]

a better boss bar would be kinda nice

[zealous ridge]

my point is that it shouldn’t be ravager

[eternal escarp]

well, not geodes as is, but grab bags

[zealous ridge]

Yes

[eternal escarp]

it is kinda the same, true

[zealous ridge]

that was just a dumb example lol

[eternal escarp]

yeah yeah

[crude geode]

You might as well make a boss called "Free Grind Boss" that drops the same materials for the same reason of reducing grind over lore of it not really deserving to exist.

[wispy river]

you mean like brain of cthulu

that boss is insane for money

[hardy dock]

Would you rather make 10 worlds to mine the same ore over and over?

[zealous ridge]

armored digger dropping precious cases post golem and getting new drops post prov is thematically and gameplay appropriate

[eternal escarp]

thats a fair point

[hardy dock]

Armored Digger is way too rare, and making it more common would be obnoxious

[crude geode]

idk how much ore you use, but I play in a 3 player world and have plenty of materials for bars of life

[eternal escarp]

maybe a way to spawn him..?

[wispy river]

who cares about armord diggers anyways

[zealous ridge]

Less of my point, atomguy

[hardy dock]

I agree, that's a good solution

[zealous ridge]

yes

summoning method in the labs, perhaps?

[eternal escarp]

ill be honest, it is a good point making the mineral farming behind a boss designated to digging, per say destroyer (thats what he is supposed to be right?) / enemy like digger

[zealous ridge]

Craftable as well

[wispy river]

what does the armored digger drop anyways

[eternal escarp]

remote

[hardy dock]

Made of dubious plating and mysterious circuitry?

[eternal escarp]

which is 3 mechs at once basically

[zealous ridge]

Something like that

[cerulean estuary]

I'd argue ravager can fit the materials

[wispy river]

so mecha mayhem

[eternal escarp]

maybe restructure the draedon remote to make it spawn stronger diggers?
and make it craftable instead of dropped by him

[zealous ridge]

Maybe uses plague plating, yknow

[cerulean estuary]

they threw everything they had together in a panic, why couldn't those have been thrown in

[zealous ridge]

Yes, you could use draedons remote

[eternal escarp]

yeah! so this way its beyong scoria, fitting progression

[crude geode]

that logic justifies ravager dropping literally anything.

[hardy dock]

Draedon Materials + Core of Calamity = Armored Remote, a summoning device for Armored Digger

[crude geode]

that sounds nice.

[zealous ridge]

something like that

[cerulean estuary]

which is fine for the boss that's made to be farmed for some materials

[eternal escarp]

draedon's remote exist, imo reusing it for this is better, but who knows

[zealous ridge]

minor thing though

[crude geode]

[zealous ridge]

he’d probably need some sort of upgrade post prov or just generally be stronger

[eternal escarp]

well, that could be said for most bosses, they are all farmable

[hardy dock]

Yeah, shame they used such a cool name on such a useless item

[eternal escarp]

and post golem, since he gets very easy by then

imo, that is

well, its not up to us tho

[zealous ridge]

Yea he spawns post plant no?

[eternal escarp]

unless someone wants to make a suggestion with all of this?

[crude geode]

good luck

[eternal escarp]

i think its just after mechs

[zealous ridge]

oh shit

[hardy dock]

No after Plant

[zealous ridge]

Yea

[eternal escarp]

today i learnt

[zealous ridge]

It still would probably just have to be made stronger

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

maybe not boss tier but strong enough as a sort of super trash mob

[eternal escarp]

well, i guess these ideas can fix the wierd item drops for ravager

[crude geode]

non brimmy elemental tier™️

[eternal escarp]

prolly great sand shark tier of difficulty?

miniboss that is decently hard, yknow

[crude geode]

not like this is gonna be suggested anyways

[eternal escarp]

yeah, true

[crude geode]

unless someone wants to put their neck on the line

[eternal escarp]

i prefer not to, since they prolly have their reasons for most of the stuff we discussed to change rn

[crude geode]

mhm

[eternal escarp]

so idk, depends on someone who is brave enough

[crude geode]

Anyways imma go pass out, since I think my sugg is fine? I think?

[eternal escarp]

id say its fair

although i disagree on some parts, i do agree with others lol

[crude geode]

that do be how controversial suggestions work

[eternal escarp]

yeah

well go sleep, everyone left anyways

[zealous ridge]

Add that it’s also an excavator

bc that’s the most odd theme imo

[crude geode]

Imma go pass out then ye, until Iban comes back and calls me totally not tubular

[eternal escarp]

thats the part i agree on his lore theme, dont really see that, i do see the other necromancy stuff tho

[zealous ridge]

yea

it’s partially, I think, because since his conception ravager was a fucking weird boss

Just look at some of his old concepts and you can see the confusion of themes

back then, he was more of an Aztec, gilded mess of pixels

basically golem 2

[eternal escarp]

i will try, never saw his old concepts and stuff

[wary oasis]

I have a brilliant suggestion

Make all bosses worm bosses

[sharp prism]

no

[wary oasis]

this will be 100% fair and balanced

trust me

[sharp prism]

no

[cerulean estuary]

wonderful idea

[ashen warren]

at least he didn't actually post it

[tulip parcel]

wens worm of flesh

[tawny garden]

oh god

pls no

I hate this

---

And please change what Draedon's remote does or just remove it altogether.
@sleek girder this seems to only be tangentially connected with the rest of the sugg..?

[sleek girder]

okay, i'll try and fix it

[dapper coral]

also AD typically refers to astrum deus so i'd just spell it out

[river glen]

hmm

[sleek girder]

okay

[tawny garden]

tbh AD typically refers to "Common Era" so

[sleek girder]

[dapper coral]

[tawny garden]

no

[sleek girder]

any other feedback?

[tawny garden]

looks good

[sleek girder]

k, thanks

[eternal escarp]

madlad did it

[proud parcel]

Out of curiosity, is there a policy on resuggesting something that had been previously delivered to devs, but had nothing happen?

[eternal escarp]

nothing happen as in, they rejected it?

or nothing happen as in, no response?

[proud parcel]

No, it was just delivered

No response

[eternal escarp]

personally id wait a bit for a response, how long was that suggestion?

[proud parcel]

6 months ago

[eternal escarp]

oh

i think its fine..?

[proud parcel]

I see

Repost time

[eternal escarp]

should wait for other responses to see if its fine or not

[proud parcel]

Hmm

I'll wait a little before doing it then

[dapper coral]

hold on

so it was delivered to dev and received no 👍 or 🚫 ?

[proud parcel]

Yep, just the green check

[dapper coral]

that usually means that the devs either had no strong opinion on it, or it was a stalemate

if it was your suggestion, idk if you can repost it or if someone else has to

[tawny garden]

no strong opinion == stalemate

afaik

[dapper coral]

stalemate could also mean half yes and half no

as opposed to all shrug

[proud parcel]

Hmm, so can I repost it, or not?

It has been ~6 months

[dapper coral]

well that's what i'm saying

if it doesn't reach dev to begin with, then you can repost it no problem

but if yours has reached dev, any further suggestion on it gets marked as a bluecheck and so idk if you're allowed to repost it

[proud parcel]

(I figured from the emote one being reposted as often as it has)

[dapper coral]

or if someone else has to have the idea and sugg it

the emote one never reached star req + it's an outlier in the first place

[proud parcel]

Hmm, so for me to repost it I'd need to wait until past suggestion cutoff date has been moved then?

[tawny garden]

hmmmmm

I once reposted a sugg that had reached dev and Rover said no

[sleek turret]

Maybe I should wait more time than a week for reposting my Torrential Tear suggestion since its very, very close to 200.

[dapper coral]

i as well

so i'm assuming you're not allowed to while it would be considered a bluecheck

[tawny garden]

but that was way before the bot system was put in place

"I remember the Pound note..."

[proud parcel]

Well, time to hope someone else has the idea to post a suggestion relating to allowing different gels to be used as flamethrower ammo, where different gels have different effects. Allowing the flamethrower subclass to have a similar mechanic to the other ranged subclasses in that you can change what ammo is used for a different effect.

[tawny garden]

nice

[sleek turret]

make photo use pink gel

[dapper coral]

when i tried mine i'm fairly sure the bot system was in place since i only joined like 2 weeks before it was created

[proud parcel]

(if someone else wants to repost in my stead)

[sharp prism]

i was gonna do that like last week

but i didnt

[proud parcel]

what a coincidence, you should post it now

[sharp prism]

no

snyways

[sharp prism]

thats

a dont

i think

[dapper coral]

yeah this is no

[signal wasp]

Is it? This is my first time suggesting and I spent a while looking through the dont's and I didn't see anything about it

[dapper coral]

you can't really ask for tribute items for astralgeldon anymore

or bring back removed content in general

[signal wasp]

He had a music box?

[dapper coral]

which, seeing as this would bring back the music, kinda counts as

idk if he had a music box back then

[signal wasp]

Its not on the wiki as old or removed mod content

[wooden wedge]

astrageldon exists as a summon now

[signal wasp]

Well, it was kinda for the music

Ah nvm

[tawny garden]

if you wanna listen to music, go to youtube

or wherever else you can listen to it

[tulip parcel]

I'm pretty sure he had a theme for himself

ah nvm

[zealous ridge]

I don’t think he ever had a box

Well, maybe

But it was changed to aureus box

[cobalt pewter]

Haha emode mimics go brr

[zealous ridge]

you know that reminds me

what if crags mimic

eh, actually im not sure

its not really a spreadable biome so astral would make more sense there

so w/e

think thats been suggested before

[cobalt pewter]

Astral Mimic

[zealous ridge]

is it memed the fuck on

[cobalt pewter]

Idk

[zealous ridge]

for reasons that elude me

[cobalt pewter]

But it definitely makes sense for the fact that astral mostly behaves like evil / hallow aside from brunge spread

[zealous ridge]

the idea is that it wouldnt be out of place to spread to a mimic

as in, possess a mimic for defensive purposes

bc astral is literally just glowy corruption in that regard

also better reason to go down underground when astral spawns

otherwise there is no good reason to bc everything you need is on the surface

aureus changes this, of course, by introducing new weapons from the mobs down there

[cobalt pewter]

Mhm

[zealous ridge]

btw was gonna actually make something for that uhh armored digger suggestion

im gonna wait a bit on it, though

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

mainly because theres one already posted in posting thats really recent

[proper grail]

Abandoned Slime Staff exists

No need to even ask

[cobalt pewter]

Abandoned Slime Staff*

[earnest cape]

^

[proper grail]

Yeah edited

[dapper coral]

yes

that is why abandoned slime staff is cited as one of the reasons why you can't ask for tribute items for astralgeldon

in the don'ts document

[cobalt pewter]

@dapper coral brunge sugg

[golden narwhal]

Me when meme sugg

[trim sedge]

Yes

[dapper coral]

@uneven mist no meme suggs, read the doc in the pins

[summer sentinel]

Well that was interesting to say the least

[uneven mist]

To be fair, it is a meme, but this mod is somewhat meme friendly, and has done april fools bits before.

[dapper coral]

doesn't change the fact that you should've read the doc before you posted it

because it explicitly says that joke suggs are not for these channels

[cobalt pewter]

Regarding new sugg

1. Too detailed

2. This exists

gauss (magnetic)
electricity (organic damage)
laser (less damage vs high def)
pulse (inorganic damage)
plasma (more damage vs high def)

Gauss is yellow, electricity is blue, laser is red, pulse is purp, plasma is green

Tracking Disk dealing less dmg to high def targets is deliberate

[dapper coral]

in other words, that is the point of the weapon
that it does less damage against high-def enemies

[cobalt pewter]

The sugg refers to the plasma weapons, which deals more dmg to targets with high def indeed

[jovial spire]

yeah it has the same logic Fallout: New Vegas and Fallout 2 do

which makes sense because, well, almost every weapon there is a fallout reference, expect most of the melee weapons

why cant we even have a Ripper for melee

Or Super Sledge

[cobalt pewter]

Too bad it's kinda hard to retier these weapons due to the system laid out

[jovial spire]

Or Ballistic Fist

[cobalt pewter]

I would rather see Mounted Scanners at T5 rather than Pole Warpers

[jovial spire]

actually, especially ballistic fist

[cobalt pewter]

Pole Warpers have the issue of the lack of both good damage and significant presence

[summer sentinel]

Pole warpers is in a weird spot since they aren't the greatest but that should get fixed

[jovial spire]

Ballistic Fist is one of the most kickass Fallout weapons ever

[cobalt pewter]

Like, in scal fight, you can barely able to see the pole warper minions

[ashen warren]

Shouldn't laser weapons deal more damage against targets with low defense? They just seem eh otherwise

[summer sentinel]

they're significant if you mix them with immat + warpers and usage of gsa but the issue is just their damage

You don't need to see them really

[cobalt pewter]

Everything you mentioned there have significant presence visually at least

Immat and GSA nuggets

The lack of actual presence with pole warpers give the impression that they're not really powerful

[summer sentinel]

Well you don't need to see warpers necessarily, you just summon them and focus on the fight

It's not something to harp on too much, their damage is just....low due to some iframe stuff and base damage, this'll get changed though since they are the weakest summoner even mechworm beats it

[cobalt pewter]

Even though immat's iframes are fucked (don't quote me on that btw), you can still see it doing significant enough stuff to be noticed

The fun in summoner is actually watching these minions shred the preferable target

Since there's no other thing that makes it fun

[tranquil perch]

Immat doesn't ignore iframes?

[summer sentinel]

Immat has its own iframes afaik

[cobalt pewter]

I heard immat has confusing iframes stuff

I never tested myself

[summer sentinel]

Immat isn't also that interesting as it stands

[cobalt pewter]

that I can admit, but at least you get to see immat doing something

[summer sentinel]

The visual change for pole warpers doesn't feel needed though, it could be something but usability of it first

and I don't know how it'd look if the minion size of them increase as it might be crusty looking, but that is beyond my knowledge

[cobalt pewter]

I personally would prefer giving Pole Warpers a cool trail when they're moving

That, at least imo, is enough to give the minions a presence

[tranquil perch]

Rainbow trail

[cobalt pewter]

Actually maybe something like the magnetic flux effect that shows on enemies when hit with Gauss Dagger is nice too

[tranquil perch]

Yellow trail because pole warper are plasma

[cobalt pewter]

Pole Warper is Gauss

[tranquil perch]

Oh what

[cobalt pewter]

Look above

The Gauss ones are the "neutral" weapons in the arsenal

[tranquil perch]

Oh

[cobalt pewter]

They don't do anything like electricity and pulse (organic / inorganic) or laser and plasma (def based)

[tranquil perch]

Lemme rephrase
Yellow trail because pole warper is gauss

[cobalt pewter]

Fuck I'm out of limit, wanted to sugg

Lemme just write it here for a quick sec so I don't forget then

Make laser-type Arsenal weapons deal higher damage the lower the target's defense, instead of lower damage against higher def targets.

All other types of Arsenal weapons that can be influenced by enemy stats (electricity, pulse and plasma) all increase their damage when their requirements are met. Laser ones got damage reduction when the condition (higher defense) is met instead.

Reverting laser-type Arsenal weapons' perk to deal higher damage the lower the target's defense is would make the type more consistent with other types.

Not only that, it's more encouraging for a weapon to "deal more damage on x" instead of "deal less damage on x", the same philosophy used for buff vs nerf.

[zealous ridge]

Ah, so just consistency’s sake

was gonna say that it would be pointless bc it literally would just change how the weapons are coded and not affect damage theoretically

Also on pole warpers

well I guess just one question

What does the flux effect look like on the dagger

[distant gyro]

circular

as in shape and movement

[cobalt pewter]

Also it's more encouraging to have your weapon "deal more damage on x" instead of "deal less damage on x"

[zealous ridge]

Yea

well ok I’m just wondering if it’s anything like wave pounder bc idk

bc something like wave ripples would be good

imo

For pole warped

[distant gyro]

gauss could pull enemies in/pull itself into enemies tbh

[zealous ridge]

Knockback based yea

it’s a term related to magnets mostly

[cobalt pewter]

Gauss Rifle just needs something interesting tbh

It lacks identity like Pole Warpers

Gauss Dagger has the magnetic flux on hits

Gauss Pistol has a weird lag-ish kinda thing

And Wave Pounder debilitates enemies from the insides

[distant gyro]

gauss rifle doesn't even seem gauss themed rn

[cobalt pewter]

Meanwhile Gauss Rifle is just "haha gun"

[distant gyro]

as I said before it's blue and it explodes

[zealous ridge]

For each one the theme kind of goes like:
Red: laser, heat
Purple: energy, magic
Blue: lightning, electricity
Yellow: magnetism, movement
Green: matter, density

Kind of like that

[distant gyro]

doesn't ring anything magnetically dense

[cobalt pewter]

I already mentioned the theme above iirc

gauss (magnetic)
electricity (organic damage)
laser (less damage vs high def)
pulse (inorganic damage)
plasma (more damage vs high def)

[distant gyro]

that's more abt the gimmick

[zealous ridge]

Ah yea u mentioned the gimmick

I meant more the theme

like, what each weapon kind of goes for with its concepts

[cobalt pewter]

I guess ye

[zealous ridge]

rather than it’s shared properties

[distant gyro]

Plasma is unstable matter
Gauss is magnetically dense and inductive
Pulse is a fast, sudden discharge of radiation

[zealous ridge]

Generally speaking, gauss isn’t really exactly accurate in most cases

[distant gyro]

more on the stuff above

[cobalt pewter]

Hell, even giving Gauss Rifle something like Gauss Dagger on hits is fine to me

The magnetic flux

God my internet shits itself

[zealous ridge]

Like, I think of wave pounder kind of

[distant gyro]

I think pulse is handled well rn though, except pulse drag which is electric in disguise

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah Pulse Dragon needs a rework on the projectiles

[distant gyro]

also the recent suggestion god

[cobalt pewter]

I actually think making Gauss Rifle a channeled rifle that would inflict bigger magnetic explosion on longer charges could be interesting

[zealous ridge]

pulse dragon should be an upper and lower jaw of the dragon clasping together to do big damage at the contact point and a release of pulses dependent on either the damage dealt on bite or how many times it hits before biting

[cobalt pewter]

Oh yeah tool-esque weapons are hnng

[zealous ridge]

something like that

[distant gyro]

i remember making a point that because crystyl destroys your arena into bits it should be viable on br

and that's what happened

[zealous ridge]

Crystyl should just straight up not do damage

that’s ridiculous lol

[distant gyro]

it's fun that it does

[zealous ridge]

I’m sure it is but that’s very silly

If ur gonna make it a weapon make it a weapon lmao

war axe of the night gang

[worthy lintel]

...i don't know how else i can salvage waraxes

[zealous ridge]

Better than lights bane (tm)

[cobalt pewter]

I never touched Volt Crasher because I doubt it could be good with the tool status

[zealous ridge]

I heard it was actually fucking broken in testing and that’s hilarious to me

like Ben had to nerf it massively

[worthy lintel]

tools new meta

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah, Gauss Rifle and Pulse Dragon need changes to keep their theming in check

[sleek hornet]

probably it become submarine shocker 2.0

[zealous ridge]

I would just go full on... don’t make them tools

Or make them tools and bad weapons

[cobalt pewter]

Why is gauss rifle blue to begin with