suggestions-discussion

[tawny garden]

wdym "dang"

[hollow shell]

(Terra Disk is becoming fully rogue)

[trail ginkgo]

ok ok

[tawny garden]

it's good that they died

[hollow shell]

They did cause some headaches

[violet minnow]

seemed like they caused a lot more than some

also iban's new pfp scares me

[ashen warren]

DarkTiger36

[violet minnow]

sorry

[ashen warren]

(it was a joke)

[radiant meadow]

the only headaches were people complaining about crafting the wrong one/not understanding why it can't be crafted, and some balancing technical issues due to how melee and rogue function a bit differently

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[trail ginkgo]

ah

[hollow shell]

Plus, rogue versions not having stealth strikes

which they will now be acquiring, now that they're separated

This sugg is (probably) valid either way

I just personally think it should acknowledge some of the implications

[dapper coral]

tbh i think that while it's technically valid, it has very little chance of getting through if it makes it to dev, because weapon functionality (SS) would have to be removed
i think the more viable sugg here would be to make the crafting materials rogue weapons instead of melee weapons

[hollow shell]

mmmyeah

[tawny garden]

make the flamarang and ice boomerang rogue weapons, simple

[radiant meadow]

Do you want to be crucified?

[tawny garden]

[summer sentinel]

at this point I think Philo is counting on it

[hollow shell]

Make them craft together into a ice-fire rogue boomerang and put that in Equanimity's recipe
Problem solved

[summer sentinel]

The duality of boomerang

[radiant meadow]

Song Boomerang of Fire and Ice

[dapper coral]

Frigidflash Boomerang

[crude geode]

@proper grail Why is the frost legion calamities’ problem to solve? Sounds like a lot of work, similar to fixing the garbage event known as OOA.

[hollow shell]

"We'll just take our problems, and push them somewhere else!"
~ Patrick Star, almost

[tawny garden]

it does sound out of scope for Calamity

[pine star]

That said, Calam does fix the Goblin Tinkerer

Though Goblin Tinkerer can't be ignored

Frost Legion can

[tawny garden]

that's different

[radiant meadow]

I'm more inclined to work on OOA than Frost Legion.

[tawny garden]

they fixed Tinkerer because they wanted to

[radiant meadow]

Frost Legion is a holiday specific event with absolutely no rewards.

OOA can be done at any time and actually has rewards.

[summer sentinel]

Snow blocks are useful

[radiant meadow]

You would be happier if they dropped sand.

[tawny garden]

[summer sentinel]

you'd be correct

[hollow shell]

(Calam also makes the holiday Moon events required for progression)
(and pokes the Eclipse the same way)

(so like we could poke the Legion)

[crude geode]

(Yes but holiday moon events actually have drops in vanilla)

[summer sentinel]

OOA deserves no poking imo it'll just exist

[hot zephyr]

Sand Legion

[whole sedge]

(please do not poke the legion i would rather just never look at it again)

[tawny garden]

do you fuckin want to make legion required for progression

[hollow shell]

We could

[radiant meadow]

The difference is that the Holiday moon events have nothing to do with the actual Halloween and Christmas events.

[zenith hazel]

another difference is that the vanilla holiday moons actually help out the player

[tawny garden]

I will have to kill you very slowly then

[crude geode]

In addition to actually having drops

[zenith hazel]

what does frost legion do?

[summer sentinel]

@zenith hazel

[radiant meadow]

The Snow Globe is only obtainable from Presents in Hardmode, which only drop for 15 out of 365 days in a year

[hollow shell]

Hell, buff it at the same time as Frost Moon
Make snowboys drop 1 Endo Energy each

You've got options :D

[crude geode]

Ew

[radiant meadow]

That sounds awful.

[zenith hazel]

I'd rather be forced to mine snow blocks for the rest of my life than to beat up a bunch of useless snowmen for that

[summer sentinel]

Let's make it half an endo energy Rover since they aren't really threatening mobs

(very epic)

[tawny garden]

half-item

good

[hollow shell]

Nah you see, you just need to make them deal 50x contact damage

[radiant meadow]

Oh and did anyone mention that the Snow Ballas make a mess you have to clean up afterward?

[hollow shell]

Now they're threats.

[pine star]

How does one drop HALF of something

[summer sentinel]

Your loss on snowmen gangsta banner Brav

[radiant meadow]

They're like Antlions but worse.

[crude geode]

Ectoblood

[summer sentinel]

oh so we give them the postml dungeon enemy tier contact damage pre-nerf? Got it

actually make any contact damage from them oneshot you

[tawny garden]

you have one shot

[crude geode]

Frankly I don’t see why the Frost Legion exists in vanilla besides Santa.

[radiant meadow]

I think the sentinels being so weak is also a relic from when they got lots of health nerfs for being mandated every fight.

[hot zephyr]

Methinks there could be optional loot from the legion, not required for progression

[hollow shell]

I approve of all Sentinels appearing simultaneously and adjusting AI to fit that

[hot zephyr]

Calamity playthroughs already have a long ass runtime, perhaps too long, adding more mandatory content seems kinda

(talking about Frost Legion)

[crude geode]

^

[hollow shell]

Even if it's big AI changes, like giving em each different roles
i.e. have SW and CV hang out on the sidelines shooting lightning and Dark Energy
while Signus gets in your face

as example

[golden narwhal]

pogging irl

[hot zephyr]

Hot take, I think once 1.4 is here the alts should drop souls; since Hallowed items are buffed to hell in 1.4 to make mechs actually worthwhile

[summer sentinel]

Sentinel battle royale, I like this idea

[hot zephyr]

Just please don't make it Profaned Guardians 2, having all three at once seems kinda hage but if they took turns and alternated? that'd be cool

[golden narwhal]

Yea, don't want to imagine normal AI at the same time

[pine star]

That's one third of an item

[hot zephyr]

Deathmode Storm Weaver is already a pain in the ass (until the lightning change in 1.5), I can't imagine signus and CV on top of that

[summer sentinel]

Signus is an assassin, he can stay away from you and hit you and set up his "Cosmo mines", storm weaver would dash into you because aggressive worm and CV would lurk around the place, waiting to burst his dark energy at you while weaver is in non-dash phase maybe

It can get creative quickly since all 3 are uniquely different in what their "tricks up their sleeves" are

[hollow shell]

ye ye

[hot zephyr]

I'd think it'd be best as a sort of tag-team style battle. Dealing enough damage to one boss would cause them to "swap", say you burst down Signus a little bit, Signus falls back and then Storm Weaver takes over for a while, etc

[hollow shell]

Maybe yeah

[hot zephyr]

I just see dealing with lamps, dark energy and lightning at the same time/in rapid succession seems kinda

[summer sentinel]

mario kart double dash tag-team

[hot zephyr]

I like it

[dire loom]

frost legion is epic

please buff it devs

best event

[hot zephyr]

Let us fight Polterghast outside of the dungeon pls

[summer sentinel]

I am not touching an enraged polter

[hot zephyr]

~~Building a dungeon arena with empowered post-ml dungeon mobs makes me ~~

[pine star]

zen potion+calming potion

[summer sentinel]

zen potions + tranq candles

[hot zephyr]

Still

It's still another arena to build

[summer sentinel]

You need it for cv anyways

[hot zephyr]

And one of the most annoying boss summons to farm

You don't need it for CV

Just drag CV out of the dungeon

[summer sentinel]

I rather not

[hot zephyr]

Why not, I didn't even know CV enraged outside of the dungeon when I fought it in my most recent DM playthrough

[frail mantle]

iirc polter doesn't get angry outside of the dungeon, just when there aren't enough solid blocks nearby

[hot zephyr]

that explains a lot

Solid blocks as in walls or tiles?

[tawny garden]

tiles

[hot zephyr]

Time to start designing a schematic for a cheese arena

[tawny garden]

🧀

[hot zephyr]

I think with AsianMan's sugg; the reason the sentinels kept getting nerfed into the ground & having the phase be retired after one fight is that people don't like fighting them lel

[golden narwhal]

Because they were/are boring

[hot zephyr]

Because they're just minibosses

Except for maybe Signus

Personally, I feel like the Sentinels are just unnecessary padding for post-ml, same thing w/ profaned guardians.

[tawny garden]

npc.boss = true;

[golden narwhal]

Removing them from the fight entirely doesn't seem to be in the cards, so why not make it actually intense and exciting

[hot zephyr]

I agree with you, I'm just playing devil's advocate

[golden narwhal]

[radiant meadow]

(with appropriate AI adjusting)
So they would like take turns kind of like Anahita and Levi or Polter and its clone?

[summer sentinel]

The rather not was in regards to me not dragging CV out of the dungeon Ian since I make my dungeon area for farming as well, his enrage isn't that bad

[golden narwhal]

Didn't really wanna specify anything with this, except saying just not with standard AI, since that would be a shitshow

tho tbh them taking turns individually would still feel like the current version if the ones sitting out did absolutely nothing

Actually wait, I can do some specificity since it's an example

[radiant meadow]

well, they would still have time together, but I think polter and its clones take turns charging, don't they?

I should know these things but I don't

[golden narwhal]

They do normally, yes

[modern arrow]

But Victide is harder to get than wulfrum

[cobalt pewter]

Locking it post DS ensures that you can't farm for it before Wulfrum really

Like

[unreal viper]

Great armor sugg asain man,

Yeah.

[cobalt pewter]

You need to get outta way to the edges of the world to reliably get energy cores

[unreal viper]

I think that was changed

[cobalt pewter]

While you can just vibe in desert for victide

Maybe longer, but ye

[unreal viper]

Tbh I would like victide to be a sunken sea set,

I love the look.

[cobalt pewter]

Ye, but the most reliable way to stock up is still on the edges

[unreal viper]

and it would effectively lock it behind ds.

[modern arrow]

What

Cores are very easy to get

[golden narwhal]

They're still on the same tier

[cobalt pewter]

Also it's definitely weird that you get to upgrade armors after you just got the same one 5 minutes ago without defeating anything significant

[modern arrow]

Wulfrum is your scourge armor and then you switch to victide

[unreal viper]

Or you can just get victide.

[cobalt pewter]

You might do that yes, but victide is still relatively accessible preboss

[unreal viper]

Honeslty even without victide wulfrum is kinda questionable if you aren't summoner. Desert prowler, obsidian, wizard's set.

[golden narwhal]

Problem with all all-class armors tbh

Except post-ml, ofc

[cobalt pewter]

Time to rework everything to single class armors

[crude geode]

speaking of all class armors, can we just delete perennial

[golden narwhal]

[cobalt pewter]

Melee reaver hell ye

[unreal viper]

I think they got the message about reaver enough from me.

[crude geode]

Not just reaver armor, the ore set

[unreal viper]

[cobalt pewter]

lmao

[unreal viper]

Indeed.

[crude geode]

I find reaver to just be chlorophyte but different™️

[unreal viper]

i think ideally victide would be melee/summoner, wulfrum would cover the other one

I'd rather have wulfrum summoner since armors matter so much for summone

[modern arrow]

But why would you get victide pre scourge when you could get wulfrum and then switch for free

[golden narwhal]

I could ask why get the weaker armor over the stronger armor accessible through cnidrion cheese

[crude geode]

^

[radiant meadow]

Reaver is getting a major rework next update.

[golden narwhal]

[cobalt pewter]

pog

[radiant meadow]

and I sent 2 of the helms to the sun

[cobalt pewter]

aqua stranded to here

smh

[cobalt pewter]

Mmmyes

[crude geode]

Good

I don’t understand ectoblood

[modern arrow]

Because farming drones is faster than farming seahorses

I think

Unless it isn’t

[crude geode]

people farm for community because it’s better then other accessories, why wouldn’t they farm for a better armor set

[radiant meadow]

Yeah, reaver rework was on the table since that sugg you made awhile back. I just wasn't motivated to finish it until recently.

[unreal viper]

Sounds really good ben.

[crude geode]

Yeah

[radiant meadow]

Hey, I gotta sell it.

[summer sentinel]

You also gotta smell it but yeah

[unreal viper]

But yeah, I feel like many people are willing to get victide instead of wulfrum pre-boss.

[hot zephyr]

Wulfrum is just a terribad armor set

It's not worth the grind

Except on Summoner, of course

[unreal viper]

I certainly was and I wouldn't describe myself as a super tryhard or anything.

Yeah.

[radiant meadow]

Delete Cnidrions. Problem solved

[unreal viper]

[radiant meadow]

Drive those wall phasing seahorses to extinction.

[unreal viper]

That would work.

[hot zephyr]

Make Cnidrions spawn post-DS

[radiant meadow]

Tomb Crawlers are plenty enough to tear you a new ass.

yeah, making them post-DS is a more realistic option

[crude geode]

There’s not even a non-crusty sea horse to validate where tf they came from

[summer sentinel]

We can’t just delete a mob only devs can do that

[unreal viper]

I would make victide sunken sea themed and crafted with sunken sea materials personally

[hot zephyr]

Unless

[unreal viper]

Since I just love the sunken sea

[hot zephyr]

Make victide crafted with sunken sea materials and victory shards

[radiant meadow]

I suggested having it crafted with sea prisms awhile back actually.

[unreal viper]

I guess that might require a resprite but eh

[radiant meadow]

the weapons don't even have to tbh given Bloodflare's whole thing

[hot zephyr]

Delete the ocean materials, recolor victide and victide armor because ugly color pallet does not match the biome it's from

Like, why does DS even drop ocean mats other than for gameplay reasons?

[unreal viper]

lore

[crude geode]

^

[hot zephyr]

That bigass worm just likes to eat coral?

[radiant meadow]

they are still in his intestines after he dried up and died

[unreal viper]

But yeah, why would he eat coral

[radiant meadow]

he was desparate

the ocean dried up

[unreal viper]

how did he even get to the desert

[crude geode]

Desert was an ocean sand.

[hot zephyr]

If the ocean dried up, why isn't he a pile of ash?

[crude geode]

Like all deserts

[unreal viper]

oh yeah

[radiant meadow]

He probably came from the Sunken Sea

except it sunk

[hot zephyr]

why dont he go back

[crude geode]

He’s lost

[radiant meadow]

He is not smart worm.

[crude geode]

He’s a worm, no thoughts head empty

[unreal viper]

eat

[hot zephyr]

make DS turn into AS if you drag him into the sunken sea

[unreal viper]

pacifist ending where you cover DS in water and feed him

[hot zephyr]

worm friend

[proper grail]

Jerryn't

[crude geode]

I’m still waiting for the pacifist terraria mod where you have to give eye of Cthulhu eye drops to moisturize his dry eyes

@proper grail why should calamity fix frost legion, an event that drops nothing in vanilla, instead of fixing the mod itself or OOA?

[proper grail]

Because OOA doesn't only drop snow

Frost Legion is a part of the game, either fix it or remove it

(latter would be fine too)

[radiant meadow]

Not touching it is akin to removing it.

[crude geode]

^

[radiant meadow]

basically ignoring its existence

[golden narwhal]

just make the snow globe unobtainable

[unreal viper]

stop ignoring ooa

[proper grail]

No, it's just being lazy instead of a real solution

[crude geode]

Calamity can’t really remove base parts of the game.

[cobalt pewter]

Such is too bad, because Frost Legion has no existing presence in vanilla

Thus many mods won't ever touch it

[radiant meadow]

There would be much greater backlash if Frost Legion was straight up not doable than if nothing happened to it.

[cobalt pewter]

Plus if they wanted to add loot, wouldn't it make the event early HM frost moon

[radiant meadow]

even if both essentially had the same outcome because nobody does the event anyways

[crude geode]

^

[proper grail]

No, it's not a wave event

[radiant meadow]

Pretty sure the only thing Cal does to acknowledge the event's existence is to change the stack size of Snow Globes from 1 to 20. Why can't they stack in vanilla

[crude geode]

@zenith hazel can you exclaim the sugg about frost legion? Ben brought up reasoning against it.

Frankly there’s already so much snow content in the game it kinda goes on the edge of “way too much”, what with the snow biome and the frost moon.

Frost Legion would definitely push it over the edge.

[proper grail]

We've had suggestions for it before, this shouldn't be exclaimed

[cobalt pewter]

Exclaim isn't needed

But they definitely have better priorities than a forgettable event

[radiant meadow]

Can we throw a blue check on it instead when it goes through? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/707764896456245249

[crude geode]

Frankly the reasoning behind it is very weak, and it has passed into dev server before and gone into democracy hell.

[radiant meadow]

thanks embed

[crude geode]

embeds are really cool and epic

[proper grail]

Demik said it was valid

[radiant meadow]

That was referring to equanimity sugg

[crude geode]

lol

[proper grail]

Wrong one oof

[cobalt pewter]

Melee already got yinyo

Why can't rogue have shit

[hot zephyr]

yoyin

[cobalt pewter]

Fuck Melee™

[summer sentinel]

he’s just not applying himself

[crude geode]

Because melee is Fab’s favorite class

[cobalt pewter]

I acknowledge Fab's efforts on true melee and it's cool

[hot zephyr]

Melee time

[cobalt pewter]

But Melee™ just has so much shit at that point Equanimity being melee doesn't change anything

In fact it's worsening the situation for rogue

[proper grail]

You realize by exclaiming "do something with the Frost legion" you're basically admitting that you're too lazy to fix it

[hot zephyr]

Melee is literally just "Random bullshit, GO!"

[cobalt pewter]

As they have less pool than what little they already have

[radiant meadow]

I am

[unreal viper]

Calamity does'nt have to fix every vanilla issue

[pine star]

haha yes

[hot zephyr]

What unlucky bastard wants to be in charge of reworkin the fuckin Frost Legion

[whole sedge]

here different fix for frost legion: delete frost legion

[proper grail]

Also, if previous suggestions on the same thing went through, why not mine?

[cobalt pewter]

that would be me

[crude geode]

There’s better things to do than fix a vanilla event nobody cares about

[hot zephyr]

Remove frost legion, make snow globe summon snowstorm

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

such as fix OOA, a vanilla event with three tiers, and weapons, and bosses.

[hot zephyr]

How to fix OOA

[proper grail]

It's the same mod team, and the same suggestion, what's the difference between the suggestions that makes mine invalid?

[hot zephyr]

Remove OOA

[crude geode]

Or fix calamity problems

[cobalt pewter]

Again, an exclaim isn't needed for the sugg

Just expect the sugg to not take off

[hot zephyr]

Send Old One's Army back to DD2

[cobalt pewter]

Because no one knows Frost Legion

[hot zephyr]

make the frost legion enemies spawn during frost moon, remove frost legion

There

I fixed it

Make me dev

[proper grail]

Well Brav has decided that apparently the sugg is invalid

It violates no rules

Just let it fail

[cobalt pewter]

Either way, turning Equanimity into melee is

Fucking dumb.

Calling that out right fucking now

[proper grail]

If you're this certain about it why not let it go through?

[hot zephyr]

equanimity is melee?

[cobalt pewter]

It's rogue apparently

[hot zephyr]

It better be

[cobalt pewter]

And apparently something that isn't melee is a sin

[hot zephyr]

Why would you convert it into melee

It's not melee

It's a boomerang

[crude geode]

Frankly, I think that letting suggestions that are pretty doomed to fail go into voting just wastes votes and suggestion space.

[zenith hazel]

funny thing

[whole sedge]

cause apparently the other boomerangs are melee

[zenith hazel]

the frost legion sugg that was suggested like 7 months ago

it actually got denied but yata just never updated

[cobalt pewter]

That's vanilla, most boomerangs in cal are rogue

Aside the hammer shits

[zenith hazel]

by old voting standards, it would've been denied byeah

[proper grail]

There was one on November 10th

[zenith hazel]

and that never got delivered

so oh well

[crude geode]

and it died in voting

[zenith hazel]

chances are it would've died in dev anyway

[proper grail]

But it still went to voting

[hot zephyr]

What do you think about my proposed frost legion rework

[proper grail]

Don't kill something that doesn't break the rules, just let voting kill it

It's simple

[cobalt pewter]

Flamarang and Ice being melee is vanilla. All modded boomerangs are rogue. Turning Equanimity into melee because it uses vanilla's melee materials is hnnnnnng

[zenith hazel]

fine

[crude geode]

I don’t think a sugg that is destined to die in voting, or be denied by devs should go into voting. It wastes space in voting and soaks up votes for something that will inevitably die.

[hot zephyr]

Just a question, since I got here late. Why was it ❗ 'd?

Can I make a sugg to convert all boomerangs into rogue so we can be done with it

[zenith hazel]

yea exactly

[proper grail]

Because people are lazy and don't want to fix it

[zenith hazel]

sugg voting being clogged is already an issue as is

[cobalt pewter]

I'm pretty sure making vanilla stuff rogue is a don't

[hot zephyr]

"lazy" Dude, now you're just sounding entitled

[crude geode]

^

This is a free mod.

[proper grail]

No, I'm saying what I said earlier as a joke and people agreed with

[hot zephyr]

Odd, I thought jokes were supposed to be funny

Anyways

[zenith hazel]

if we can just lower the frequency to which people throw their suggs in and actually pass to voting

[proper grail]

There just needs to be consistency

[zenith hazel]

then there's a small chance suggs would be delivered frequently

[cobalt pewter]

while we're at it can we exclaim Equanimity sugg instead because fuck Melee™

[hot zephyr]

Equanimity is just... bad sugg

[proper grail]

It either is in or out. If it breaks the rules, point out how, and take it down. Brav's idea is decent

As to reducing spam

[cobalt pewter]

raise slowmode to 3 hours

[crude geode]

1*

[hot zephyr]

8h*

[proper grail]

24h

[cobalt pewter]

What

No

[ashen warren]

once per account

[cobalt pewter]

Hnnnn

[sleek girder]

make it so people can't talk*

[hot zephyr]

and require a month or two of being on the server

[zenith hazel]

although I heavily disagree with the methods you're taking to rework frost legion

[glass sentinel]

@golden narwhal soooo like a providence guardians phase

[hot zephyr]

providence guardian phase makes me
don't give DoG it >:(

[sleek girder]

i like the idea of fighting sentinels all at once

[zenith hazel]

because locking shotgun to an already useless event is just unnecessary filler

[cobalt pewter]

Forcing me to sugg one suggestion a day is basically forcing me to eat once a day

[violet dagger]

the best solution is to add sugg nimwit

[proper grail]

It's just some of my personal ideas, I'm obviously not a Dev so they don't really matter in the end

[zenith hazel]

and adding another miniboss

[sleek girder]

the point is to make it not useless

[violet dagger]

rover has a secret suggestion hall of shame server

[zenith hazel]

and now that just makes it tedious

[sleek girder]

right now there's no point to frost legion

[cobalt pewter]

I wish I can see that

[violet dagger]

if your suggestion makes it in there you get sugg nimwit for a month

I wish I could to

[lusty iris]

lol

[violet dagger]

all I know about it is it exists

[sleek girder]

just only let feedzuh sugg*

[violet dagger]

because dom said on dd server

meanwhile I can grow my bootleg one

[crude geode]

Adding a miniboss to frost legion would take a ton of work, and ultimately not be worth it

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah let's just, exclaim Equanimity sugg because it's bad, breaks consistency of rogue boomerangs, and fuck Melee™

[sleek girder]

giant snowman

[violet dagger]

fuck melee all my homies hate melee

[cobalt pewter]

[proper grail]

It wouldn't be tedious if you weren't biased by the current shitty state of the event. And we can all agree that the Shotgun and Onyx Blaster are slightly OP

[sleek girder]

^

[hot zephyr]

Melee is cool class, but it already has a fuckton of subclasses, does not need boomerangs

[golden narwhal]

that, but 10x better, DoG won't be there (or he will rarely be there), and it doesn't make you endlessly hage

[dapper coral]

time to pull up what i said about the equanimity one earlier

[cobalt pewter]

Endless hage

[zenith hazel]

not really

[hot zephyr]

you're digging yourself into a hole tbh

[zenith hazel]

onyx blaster requires at least some sort of effort to get

[proper grail]

Like, I completely agree it sucks. The point is to make it not

[zenith hazel]

and shotgun's good but not like insane

[cobalt pewter]

Shotgun and Onyx are fine?

[proper grail]

Leaving it untouched seems wrong

[cobalt pewter]

Where

[crude geode]

that would require more work than it’s worth.

[zenith hazel]

exactly

[crude geode]

People wouldn’t notice.

[hot zephyr]

Any work spent on the Frost Legion could be put to events that people actually give a shit about

[crude geode]

such as OOA

[sleek girder]

such as the event buffs rn

[hot zephyr]

Especially since the Frost Legion's progression point already has a fuckton of good weapons for every class

[crude geode]

^

[sleek girder]

the moon and eclipse buff are currently just stat boosts

[hot zephyr]

I think there's actually a problem with too many options being available in Calamity, just causes choice paralysis.

[golden narwhal]

Yes tbh

[hot zephyr]

See: post-golem, and elemental tier weapons

[dapper coral]

@trail ginkgo i suggest you change your sugg based on the following reasoning, and also considering the fact that all modded boomerangs are rogue so there would be inconsistency in changing it to melee #suggestions-discussion message

[proper grail]

Then why does the Frost Legion need to stay in the game? If it's too much work to fix it and everyone hates it, get rid of it!

[cobalt pewter]

only Melee™ has this issue at its most prevalent honestly

[hot zephyr]

Nah fam

I beat Providence with a hotbar full of ranged weapons

[cobalt pewter]

Jejdjfffkviv

[crude geode]

You can’t remove a vanilla feature in a mod. It’s just...not feasible.

[cobalt pewter]

What

[zenith hazel]

then yell at vanilla devs

that's not our concern

[hot zephyr]

Summoner and Rogue are lesser cases, but there's a fuckton of options for mage, melee, and ranged

[cobalt pewter]

I mean those are the top 3

[sleek girder]

honestly there's a ton of weapons no one uses, just the strongest 1-2 and a support weapon

[cobalt pewter]

Summoner was a half-baked class and rogue ia just renamed throwing

[summer sentinel]

“Holiday event” as vanilla says it so much so there is an achievement for it

[sleek girder]

why make all these weapons when effer is best against provi

[proper grail]

Calamity fixed most of the other issues with Vanilla, I don't understand why this would be an outlier

It's an entire event

[trail ginkgo]

exept with melee all the weapons are basically the same thing so not really

[proper grail]

This isn't some little QoL change

[hot zephyr]

For Ranger I had Ele blaster, ele eruption, Infinity, Onyx, prideful, planetary annihilation and astral defeet

It's barely an "event" at all

Literally goblin army has more depth

[cobalt pewter]

That doesn't disregard the point that Melee™ has too much shit going on

[hot zephyr]

And that's pre-boss

What do you propose, Feedzuh

[sleek girder]

and not to mention the mass of endgame weapons

why bother making eternity when fabstaff is so much better

[cobalt pewter]

And considering Fab doesn't want to remove shit, we better raise pools other classes instead of giving Melee™ more shit

[zenith hazel]

that's because when we try to make vanilla changes, it's usually to make abhorrent vanilla stuff convenient

[proper grail]

I understand there are easier and better things, but something should still happen to the Legion. It's incomplete and shitty and unfun

[crude geode]

People don’t care about frost legion. They don’t even know it exists. Meanwhile, people are pretty aware of OOA and enemies spawning during boss fights because it happens whether you like or not.

[zenith hazel]

keep in mind, abhorrent vanilla stuff that we're forced to deal with

we're not forced to deal with frost legion

because nobody cares about it

[crude geode]

^

[dapper coral]

you cannot ignore the existence of OOA
while with frost legion, everyone can and does

[crude geode]

You’re prolly one of a handful of people who actually care about frost legion.

[whole sedge]

Literally when only 14.3% of people have the achievement for beating the event I really do not feel like they need to mess with it too much/at all

[crude geode]

Go complain to Red. Not calamity.

[cobalt pewter]

that is why you don't suggest a frost legion rework in big mods like cal. Do it yourself.

[hot zephyr]

Is OOA getting changed?

[dapper coral]

OOA has vesuvius

[crude geode]

never in our lifetimes

[glass sentinel]

Just delete it at this point

[dapper coral]

at the very least

[hot zephyr]

let the crystal recharge between waves, and give it immunity during boss waves

[sleek girder]

who uses vesuvius

[proper grail]

I would but hehe 1.4 is the last update. (Right? I've been getting some wierd thumbnails)

[glass sentinel]

I do

[summer sentinel]

me

[hot zephyr]

Lauren is the only person in existence who farmed for Vesuvius

[sleek girder]

i don't see the point in getting it

[glass sentinel]

And me

Its so good

[hot zephyr]

No

[dapper coral]

while cal would rather have nothing to do with OOA, its existence can't be ignored all that much

[sleek girder]

make it worth farming for

or better to farm for

[summer sentinel]

it was a good farm and arma breaking it helped

[glass sentinel]

Add a betsy summon

Smh

[hot zephyr]

until 1.5

betsy rogue

betsy rogue

[zenith hazel]

anyway

[cobalt pewter]

Betsy rogue

[zenith hazel]

if you're going to suggest a frost legion rework

[crude geode]

OOA should prolly be reworked, but it’s such a pain to do that I don’t think anyone should.

[zenith hazel]

don't be specific

[crude geode]

^

[zenith hazel]

because that's our job

[proper grail]

I'm fine with deleting the latter part

[crude geode]

Never be specific in a sugg.

[zenith hazel]

do that then

[sleek girder]

post ML OOA

[cobalt pewter]

me with 2 suggs of acc reworks with rather detailed rework proposal be like

[sleek girder]

why be detailed when you aren't creative

[hot zephyr]

NO

[sleek girder]

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but Feedzuh Suggs™️ are based

[sleek girder]

or get suggs passed

[glass sentinel]

Scale ooa

[unreal viper]

I think you could improve ooa significantly with mimimal effort.

Let you skip the time between waves

[zenith hazel]

yes that can be arranged

[unreal viper]

Buff all the sentries or let you use calamity ones.

[glass sentinel]

Remove all sentries

[hot zephyr]

Giving the crystal immunity during boss waves, and have it regen after not taking damage for a certain amount of time, mayhaps?

[cobalt pewter]

Me when

Me when I only have 2% implementation rate on suggs

[unreal viper]

Hey,

[hot zephyr]

Getting a sugg implemented is hard

[unreal viper]

Sometimes they don't get implemented but you still might influence whem

[sleek girder]

Me when

Me when i have 0% implementation rate on suggs

[whole sedge]

2% is still 2% more than 0%

[sleek girder]

[hot zephyr]

Observe, the shrine sugg that'll never pass dev

[sleek girder]

my closest sugg is my dumbest one

imo

[cobalt pewter]

But somehow got to 245 on a short notice

[cobalt pewter]

[sleek girder]

none of mine have ever reached 200

[cobalt pewter]

@crude geode you can also mention Ion Blaster and Apoctosis Array, as they utilize current mana to boost their damage

[hot zephyr]

Feed, what do you search that lets you see all the suggbot posts of your suggs

[crude geode]

Oh yeah that was also one of the things that caused me to write this down in my doc of things to suggest

[sleek girder]

i feel like there should be an armor set bonus later in the game that uses up a ton of mana in exchange for something happening, like prismatics effect but different

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

Last Prism/Dark Spark/Yharim's Crystal also interact with continual fire

[cobalt pewter]

those weapons are just Mana Flower bait

[dapper coral]

you have to search your ID, ian

[sleek girder]

maybe like you get extra healing from regen/orbs but it eats up mana

[hot zephyr]

ah

makes sence

[cobalt pewter]

mentions:<your User ID here> in:[#suggestions-voting](/guild/225030931008847874/channel/263382359397761025/)

[sleek girder]

like healing pet hit

[summer sentinel]

Astral injection doesn't neccessarily interact with mana it just instant restores it all, the other two are apparent though

[cobalt pewter]

Not only sugg bots, it also shows mod posts in voting that mentioned ya

[sleek girder]

only showed the mod posts for me

[crude geode]

That’s true, I’ll remove it in favor of apoctosis array and ion blaster

[cobalt pewter]

@sleek girder use User ID, not your user tag

User ID should be a bunch of numbers

[ashen warren]

you can do in:#suggestions-voting (ID) too

without doing the mentions: thing

[cobalt pewter]

That works too

[sleek girder]

i did

[ashen warren]

wot

[sleek girder]

does mobile have anything to do with it?

[unreal viper]

charge.

[ashen warren]

you're probably copying message ID

[sleek girder]

371068951158849557

[cobalt pewter]

@ ButterMilkPancake#6144 is your user tag

371068951158849557 this is user id

Yeah same

Hmm

[ashen warren]

yea it's probably mobile then

[cobalt pewter]

Mobile can be a fuck at times

[hot zephyr]

Hmm, that's some interesting statistics. I don't post many suggs, but when I do they usually hit star counts pretty easily

[cobalt pewter]

Nice

[hot zephyr]

~~I also got two reds ~~

[sleek girder]

imagine

i have 0% red rate

no reds for suggs in my life

[cobalt pewter]

I'm too lazy to search my suggs on mobile to pinpoint my stats

[hot zephyr]

One of my reds was based, one was really unbased

[sleek girder]

none have passed either

[cobalt pewter]

I just use total searched for the amount of suggs in voting

Because searching on mobile is quite unintuitive

[summer sentinel]

Reduces charge consumption.... hm, that should be a station buff maybe but I don't see the need for it necessarily

[hot zephyr]

Draedon weapons are kinda funky as is

[sleek girder]

i think a draedon accessory involving his machines would be cool

like a lab acc

[hot zephyr]

Draedon weapons could be their own subtype of weapons with unique accessories

"On critical hit, Draedon's Arsenal weapons have a chance to release green critical sparks"

[sleek girder]

they all become classless

[unreal viper]

draedon class

[hot zephyr]

Not class, no

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

But accessories only for Draedon gear

[sleek girder]

sounds interesting enough

[hot zephyr]

Perhaps an accessory to reduce charge consumption, and give another misc buff

[sleek girder]

maybe a draedon acc with a wall of text

that way you know it's good

[hot zephyr]

endgame draedon accessories that let you use arsenal weapons to their fullest potential

[sleek girder]

i'm thinking multiple though

like they progress through the game

[crude geode]

inb4 nobody uses said accessories

[sleek girder]

you combine them

anyway i'm gonna eat bye

[long vault]

lowkey I keep looking at charge and thinking of it as some inconvenient ammo substitute so I never use anything that needs charge

[radiant meadow]

iirc, charge doesn't have a major impact on dps until you start hitting like 10%

[long vault]

like it's cool conceptually, but then "the gun goes BRRRRRRRRR" so /shrug

[hot zephyr]

draedon's charge could be used in a bunch of cool accessories

for example, an accessory that charges all draedon weapons in your inventory when you deal non-draedon's arsenal weapon damage

So you could swap back and forth

or an overdriver that increases damage/speed at the cost of charge consumption

[radiant meadow]

This is the formula if you know how to math

float x = MathHelper.Clamp(ChargeRatio, 0f, 1f);
float y = 1.087f - 0.08f / (x + 0.07f);
return MathHelper.Clamp(y, 0f, 1f);
``` (It returns a number between 0 and 1 which the damage is multiplied)

[hot zephyr]

Right now, Draedon's weapons just seem like slightly more powerful (sometimes) than base weapons for a small amount of time, giving the weapons "modularity" would make them more complex

And yeah, makes sense to me

[radiant meadow]

so if you are at 50% charge, your damage is 0.9466x

which is pretty minimal

[hot zephyr]

Which begs the question why the charge mechanic exists if it's minimal for most of the weapon's life

[crude geode]

Flavor™️

[radiant meadow]

10% charge is 0.6164x dmg

[hot zephyr]

Just craft a second weapon

[cobalt pewter]

That's the meta

[radiant meadow]

They get crafted at 0 charge so

[cobalt pewter]

Craft a bunch of the same weapon with full charge

[hot zephyr]

charge both

"I count six shots"
"I count two guns"

[cobalt pewter]

Just make sure to snag fuel factory as early as possible

[hot zephyr]

imagine if there was a modding bench for Draedon's weapons

[long vault]

fo4 weapon modding but in pixleart scale

[crude geode]

Tbfh i feel like the production rate of fuel cells should be nerfed

[whole sedge]

can't wait to put a 16x scope on my tracking disk

[hot zephyr]

Nah, cursed

[long vault]

nah bro I wanna put a scope on my lasersword

[hot zephyr]

Charge is too much of an underutilized mechanic to warrant scarcity of fuel

[cobalt pewter]

You can look to the other side of the world, but you can only throw so far 😔

[radiant meadow]

The charge mechanic was to make the weapons more unique and stand out. When Ozz reworked the charge system, he made the curve not super penalizing because it being too penalizing would require them to be mega buffed and discourage use of the weapons

[hot zephyr]

I think there's better ways of making the arsenal weapons unique tbh

[crude geode]

I play in a three player world with friends, have raided like 2 or 3 of Draedon’s labs, and have a chest full of cells.

[hot zephyr]

Expanding charge into a mechanic would be neato

[long vault]

maybe if weapons that used charge dropped naturally from some enemies could give players greater incentive to seek out charge as a way to progress

[hot zephyr]

well, into a mechanic that actually matters for the most part*

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly? A Raider's Talisman upgrade that uses draedon charge for its stack instead of whatever the fuck it is atm

[hot zephyr]

Rework Raider's Talisman

[radiant meadow]

Reworking charge to be more engaging is cool and all, I just think that charge shouldn't be called annoying to deal with because it's not.

unless you're paranoid and have ocd or something

[hot zephyr]

Poor wording on my part

[whole sedge]

or just spend like 20 minutes using your weapons without doing anything before a bossfight

[radiant meadow]

The wording is still in the sugg though

[hot zephyr]

I'm just trying to say that charge isn't... meaningful? It's like how ranger's ammo can be circumvented... by just crafting more ammo

Ah, I didn't make the sugg

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly some weapons can be looked at on when they'd use charge

I remember I drained a lot of charge just by swinging Gauss Dagger repeatedly while flailing around away from skelly in hope of hitting his head without getting stunlocked

[hot zephyr]

I still think a Draedon modding bench would be kickass

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

summoner weapon charge lmao

[summer sentinel]

what's your damage at 0 charge?

[radiant meadow]

You can't use the weapon

[cobalt pewter]

base dmg?

[hot zephyr]

You swap to another copy of the weapon

[radiant meadow]

The listed damage is as though you had 100% charge

[cobalt pewter]

Ohh

[summer sentinel]

Can we throw the weapon at 0%

[radiant meadow]

(because people would be a little discouraged if it said it dealt 0 damage when crafting~~

[cobalt pewter]

ya Y E E T

[hot zephyr]

Ben, you should make all weapons of the same type share charge

So you can't just craft two tracking discs etc

[radiant meadow]

Not sure how possible that'd be.

also multiplayer

[hot zephyr]

It'd have to be a player stat

[cobalt pewter]

Multiplayer fucks everything and their grandkids

[summer sentinel]

What if you carry around a charger and power cells i your inventory, can you slowly get your charge back? (joke)

[cobalt pewter]

Last victim: Fabsol with Aquatic Emblem

[hot zephyr]

Consider how Raider's Talisman stores crits

[pine star]

[hot zephyr]

You'd basically need to copy that code, sans the accessory

[cobalt pewter]

I've been thinking about a portable charging solution, but is it really needed?

[radiant meadow]

Also, for Gauss Dagger

[cobalt pewter]

You can just bring the charging station and spare cells

[hot zephyr]

solar pannel accessory

[radiant meadow]

you think it'd be better if charge usage was increased but only depleted when you hit shit?

[hot zephyr]

recharges draedon weapons in daytime

[cobalt pewter]

More when the magnetic flux is applied, but generally yes

[hot zephyr]

It's Gauss Dagger, not hitting shit is kinda it's specialty

[radiant meadow]

I don't even know what the weapon really does lol

[cobalt pewter]

It had potential when you couldn't turn when swinging it

The flux effect deletes skelly head

[hot zephyr]

wait it's a broadsword

I thought it was short

[radiant meadow]

yes

you swing it

[hot zephyr]

damn I'm mixing it up with the DS shortsword

[cobalt pewter]

But now that Fab changed the item.useTurn to true

It sucks again

Hence we go back to my sugg about making item.useTurn toggleable

[hot zephyr]

true melee weapons should grant moonwalk pls

[radiant meadow]

People complain regardless of which bool it is

[cobalt pewter]

that's just people ben

But making moonwalk a toggle is a

stellar idea

[hot zephyr]

You don't even need a toggle

Just enable it on every melee wep

All the good melee weapons have it

[cobalt pewter]

Probably true melee broadswords byech

Pitching the potential of moonwalk is appreciated

I already thrown my sugg, but obviously it won't take off

Actually lemme check my sugg

126 stars

Pretty good actually

[hot zephyr]

How many lines was it

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

You fail to realize

Sugg voters can't read more then 6 lines

[cobalt pewter]

Actually it's just 5

[hot zephyr]

That's why I've started shrinking my suggestions down

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

Observe

Two sentences. Handy graphic. 260 stars.

[cobalt pewter]

Excluding the title, that moonwalk sugg has exactly 5 lines

[hot zephyr]

It's a longboy

[cobalt pewter]

Also that amount is probably the best I could do while including everything I need to put in

[hot zephyr]

There's always ways to shrink it

[summer sentinel]

I do think a portable charger for draedon weps would be nice accessory wise so it can make sense and be applicable

[cobalt pewter]

Ye I'll prolly find out sooner or later

[hot zephyr]

Perhaps it could be an earlygame lab item that gets upgraded later

[cobalt pewter]

[radiant meadow]

A Portable Charge would need like some ass UI though

[hot zephyr]

Would it?

Instead of charging in a UI, couldn't it just charge in the hotbar?

[cobalt pewter]

Just overlap Charging Station UI on inventory?

[radiant meadow]

All UI is ass

[cobalt pewter]

Or do it like uh

Test Charger

[hot zephyr]

You joke

But that'd actually work well

[cobalt pewter]

That's what I've been having in mind lately

[hot zephyr]

Portable Solar Panel

Draedon weapons stored in the hotbar are slowly recharged. 10% reduced charge usage

Bam, accessory

[cobalt pewter]

SIS

[hot zephyr]

Does this look like #suggestions-posting

[cobalt pewter]

I'm thinking of something like

Craft a portable power bank for a sizeable amount of cells, using it turns it on and will charge held Draedon weapons by a certain amount within a span of a good amount of time

[hot zephyr]

we need more good phm accessories, diversify the meta

[cobalt pewter]

too bad, bob and frostspark prevail

[hot zephyr]

hey

don't forget SoC/CS

then throw in frog leg and a class acc

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah, an accessory isn't a bad way to go as well

[hot zephyr]

Bam, every pre-hm loadout

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

[unreal viper]

bob pog leg dash frostsparks

[hot zephyr]

it should be an accessory so we can have more draedon's arsenal accessories in the future

pog?

[cobalt pewter]

sure, sugg it

[hot zephyr]

No

Not yet

[unreal viper]

Those accs just dominate the meta.

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

I'm just imagining that the dev server is split 50/50 on whether the shrines should be expanded or shrunk

Dev civil war

[cobalt pewter]

Lmao

[sturdy geyser]

fearbruh

[cobalt pewter]

Anyway, Enchanted Metal will be ceased Soon™
#suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

rip easy mech boss summons

[proper grail]

Rip my original item recipe

[unreal viper]

mech summons are easy to get

[copper orchid]

I wonder if polterghast should be made less easy to cheese in revengeance mode - you can build a long tunnel out of dungeon brick and basically just run sideways and lose no health

[hot zephyr]

Mech summons are easy to get now

[copper orchid]

so you can just KO him right after the moonlord

[hot zephyr]

Once 1.4 comes around and fixes soul farming

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

If you don't want to cheese the boss, don't cheese it.

At least that's Fab's take on it

Bringing back out of dungeon enrage for polter is stupid and it won't be coming back

[dapper coral]

^

kinda runs in the same vein as all the suggs that say to prevent hardcore cheesing or whatever, if you don't want to cheese it then don't, but other people can play it however they want

[long vault]

how does that work? shouldn't polterghast enrage outside of the dungeon?

afaik dungeon biome is based on naturally generating dungeon wall, not just bricks

[unreal star]

you can buy unsafe dungeon walls from the clothier

[long vault]

well that doesn't seem sporting, fair enough then

not like polterghast is particuarly hard while not cheesing it anyway

[golden narwhal]

Polter doesn't enrage outside the dungeon, only on the surface

[long vault]

maybe he should

[golden narwhal]

[unreal viper]

nah that's cringe

we wanna avoid 10 year arena preps

Wasn't that the point of it scaling based on arena size anyway?

[copper orchid]

As it turns out, you can't craft the brick walls, but you can take them with hammer after beating skeletron, so what you can do is simply take out a chunk of your dungeon using hammer or dynamite, and then use that to expand the dungeon biome to an elongated tunnel. It doesn't have to be super long, only about 2+ times as long as the dungeon itself is wide, so it's not particularly difficult or anything with the right building accessories and potions

oh and that guy said you can just buy em too

[long vault]

no like player placed walls don't count toward dungeon

it either has to generate or paint it in with cheat sheet

[whole sedge]

unless you use unsafe walls

[cobalt pewter]

!wiki Dungeon Wall Unsafe

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Dungeon_Wall_Unsafe

[copper orchid]

ah ok

but anyways, there you go, buy them from the clothier, that's even easier than having to mine them heh

I guess it's fine though yeah - there's enough options to cheat your way through everything in such a sandboxy game, it's really more of a "how much of a challenge do you want". I guess it would be just as easy to turn off revengeance mode or get a cheat mod anyways.

[real steppe]

Wait, it was removed?

[frail mantle]

yes

[golden narwhal]

Like, ~6 months ago (outside the dungeon)

[frail mantle]

polter only enrages when there isn't a high amount of solid blocks around the boss

[earnest cape]

ah I remember this

[cobalt pewter]

Trying out extremely short suggs to ian's advice

[golden narwhal]

Short suggs are the best suggs ignore my hypocrisy

[cobalt pewter]

Either way, for example, Celestus (1130 base dmg) copy made by Venerated Locket only deals 188 damage

That's disregarding any dmg bonuses

[summer sentinel]

all I'm thinking about is just scarlet devil in this post

[cobalt pewter]

why does Scarlet Devil need to be considered in anything fucking rogue

I hate Scarlet Devil

Burn it down

For the sake of balance

[summer sentinel]

When you have something wiht 70k base damage how can't you

[cobalt pewter]

Just tone down the dmg

[crude geode]

I hate Scarlet Devil infinitely less than I do Ark of the Cosmos, as Scarlet Devil doesn't completely disregard class identity.

But frankly I wouldn't mind if Scarlet Devil got a nerf, as lifesteal weapons are meant to be underpowered (altho I've yet to see a comparison of kill times)

[cobalt pewter]

It's just, everyone and their grandkids prioritized Scarlet Devil first on any occasion regarding rogue balance

Byeah, it's not as bad as AotC

[frail mantle]

mage

[crude geode]

agree

[earnest cape]

more like mhage

[crude geode]

disagree

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

now go back to general

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah

Ven locket has ech copy dmg

Not only the hard softcap value (90%, though frankly it's just the case with all softcap)

But also low damage before softcap starts happening (which is 75)

[crude geode]

Frankly scarlet devil should be completely removed from balance discussions, as it’s on the same tier as a weapon that does 1 million damage in a single shot tbfh

[cobalt pewter]

Dev weapons should be excluded from balance discussions

[crude geode]

Agreed

[cobalt pewter]

Unless it's something like Red Sun, which in need of a buff ig

[crude geode]

Red Sun’s funny.

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

[earnest cape]

funny worm boss killer

[crude geode]

literally everything is a worm boss killer

[earnest cape]

iirc fab said ravager's gonna drop cores

[crude geode]

This suggestion sounds like a lot of work tbfh.

[cobalt pewter]

Fair assessment

[crude geode]

Looks and gameplay and treasure bags completely overhauled for three bosses?

Seems like an absurd amount of work.

[cobalt pewter]

I should probably mention minor changes instead of major ones, but I guess that's still a big one yes

[crude geode]

you should

[heady storm]

It wouldn’t make a difference.

[crude geode]

?

[heady storm]

Or rather, does Feedza mean to slowly incorporate each as separate suggestions.

Like, is the suggestion itself as of right now exclamation worthy?

[crude geode]

I don’t think so, not with the current wording.

[heady storm]

Mmmmm, alrighty.

[crystal iron]

Maybe slightly altered music too

Just maybe a few notes idk

[hot zephyr]

Has lore-items from piggy banks been suggested before? I swear it has been

[crystal iron]

Ye

A few times actually

[hot zephyr]

Blue checkmark time?

[crystal iron]

Ig so

[copper turret]

so basically make post-provi bloodstone bosses different from the pre-provi brimstone bosses

[cobalt pewter]

Still distinguishable to their original states, but with a slightly different look, altered gameplay to match mobility at that point in the run, and different Treasure Bags to cease bag cheese, so there's an actual reason to do these bosses

[serene fox]

I just want ai changes

[copper turret]

they just more buff versions of their pre-provi counterparts

[cobalt pewter]

The only other boss that does this buffed thing in my memory is Aureus, but its only new drop is bean

Meanwhile cal clone doesn't have anything post provi aside from Bloodstones

[pine star]

yeah

Calclone was ridiculously easy post Provi

At least Ravager was a bit of a challenge

[crystal iron]

Ravager is annoying challanging tho

[keen drum]

#suggestions-voting message i felt that the point of the lore is the tradeoff between inventory and the buffs it gives you

[tawny garden]

was that in the past

but now they all have downsides of their own

[keen drum]

true

i guess that makes sense

[tawny garden]

it's funny, I remember having a lot of lore items in my inventory, but after all of them got downsides I ended up removing most of them

the only ones I didn't remove were the lore items that give increased grab range

[sharp prism]

well

[tawny garden]

caps for emphasis

[sharp prism]

wait till this person gets to OD

[tawny garden]

[daring imp]

lemme guess

you guys gonna somehow say that duke fishron is easy

[sleek turret]

duke fishron is kinda hard at all.

[tawny garden]

your suggestion is kinda wonky

I think you need to calm down

[cobalt pewter]

^

Assume no emotions in suggs

[tawny garden]

and then make it easier to understand

[tawny garden]

(well, that's not entirely true, but there is too much in this sugg)

[cobalt pewter]

I assume no emotions because I have none irl, byech

Jrucifif

[pulsar imp]

What are your guys’s thoughts on nerfing the draedons pulse rifle and putting it into calamity as a ranged murasama?

(As in finding it somewhere as you do the murasama and having it progression/name locked)

[zenith hazel]

why?

[pulsar imp]

Well personally I found it to have the potential to be a murasama counterpart

[zenith hazel]

how?

[pulsar imp]

And it also is part of the lore as draedons own weapon

The murasama is already acknowledged as a powerful invention of draedon

[zenith hazel]

it was his pulse rifle, then he just ditched it

[pulsar imp]

So what if the player were to find it after he threw it away? But I get what youre saying

Though personally if I were doing a ranged playthrough I would love to be wielding draedons own rifle, even though he ditched it

So my reasoning is that it works for a ranged murasama counterpart because of its lore and power, similar to the murasama. Both being created by draedon, both being powerful. and because draedon ditched it, what if the player were able to find it?

[zenith hazel]

the pulse rifle that he ditched is the one we crafted

also, just because he ditched it doesn't mean that he made a new one that's this so-called "murasama counterpart"

[crystal iron]

About the Duke fishron Sugg, I totally agree, the invisible phase is so incredibly difficult at that stage that I usually skip him until I get better weapons, he dashes at u too quickly and gives u wayy too little time to react properly cuz most of the time no matter where u dodge he dashes into u anyway

And the cthulunadoes

I think maybe giving him a fixed dash direction would help or maybe just make him stop for a second before he dashes

Cuz even tho he does have a break between dashes it's not really a telegraph or anything cuz he dashes into u wayy to quicly

Ur only option to defeat him are pretty much homing weapons and even they are pretty weak against his last phase, at least for me

Almost any boss is easier than him (tier-wise)

His last phase is just really frustrating

He dahses into u before u can tell where he even is

[tawny garden]

lol
I got used to Duke's 3rd phase after beating old Yharon's 4th subphase a few times

[crystal iron]

Oh, still, df's last phase needs a rework of sorts

Cuz it isn't even one bit enjoyable

[golden narwhal]

Last phase has a pattern regarding teleports

Dashing into him is entirely your fault

Tho I do want cthulhunadoes deleted from p3

[whole sedge]

Yeah it is a pretty simple pattern but cthulhunadoes bring me pain

[tawny garden]

Weirdly, the cthulhunadoes didn't bring me pain, but the pattern did

[crystal iron]

Ye same

Although I still hate the cthulunadoes

[golden narwhal]

Nadoes just feel unnecessary (imo)

[tawny garden]

I sometimes wonder if I play a different game than everyone else

[golden narwhal]

why did feedza's sugg regarding this only reach 88 stars

[foggy plover]

we kinda figured the duke changes would be wildly ranging in response and difficulty for people

we guessed super easy for experienced people and hard for newer players

so we figured it would be fine

loads of people say the infinite dash chain in death mode is easier than the normal p3

its massively subjective

[golden narwhal]

Ye

[tawny garden]

[sleek girder]

isnt the point of yoyo runs and such to present a challenge?

i feel like it should take up that slot

[ashen warren]

isn't this a don't

[sleek girder]

yeah i was checking to see if i could find it

[foggy plover]

honestly, when can we just murder subclasses

[sleek girder]

Any suggestions involving making a specific subclass (weapon type) more viable at certain point(s) in the game.

is also a dont

should i ping a mod to mark it

[eternal escarp]

ping the poster first, i think

im hopefull he will understand

[sleek girder]

@wicked needle ^

[wicked needle]

Yeah i guess it does take away some of the challenge but I still think that the yoyo bag should be upgraded in some way

[eternal escarp]

well, its a thing in the document section of "do not suggest"

correct me if im wrong, might be a diffrent section

[wicked needle]

oops i didn't see that

well, its on the frequently suggested list, so I might as well remove my post

[eternal escarp]

thanks for understanding

we have lowered the mods work by 0.0001% percent

[golden narwhal]

mobile phase is better than chaser mode

[violet dagger]

voice reveal

[sharp prism]

he

he was in vc while that video was recorded

and its rip not kala lol

[distant vault]

fine >>:(

[summer sentinel]

oh... she sort of just drifted into you, damn. Yeah seeing that alone, no contact damage would be good. my only issue if how much it may affect the fight, but I think it's minimal

[distant vault]

yeah, that's why I didn't say to just remove contact damage for the entire mobile phase, since then that phase would be a bit easier

[edgy pagoda]

could someone take a look at my suggestion and tell me if i can improve it?

[golden narwhal]

Looks fine

Only thing I'd change is shortening some parts

[summer sentinel]

same thought^

[golden narwhal]

E.g. first three sentences could be summed up as "staff of regrowth helps a lot with potion making, which are very helpful for bosses"

[edgy pagoda]

that better?

[summer sentinel]

The Staff of Regrowth can make potion making more efficient, which helps for boss fights. It is also good for building. combine these two sentences into one and the rest is good @edgy pagoda

[edgy pagoda]

done

[marble hazel]

Yes it would also be a nice indication that u r in brim crag instead of just getting deleted first hand by the enemies (no dont say different music plays)

[mortal wadi]

it does, and thats good, but a background would really top it off

[tranquil perch]

I approve cosmic guardian change

[crystal iron]

The provi one, its supposed to deal fixed damage Iirc

The star attack I mean

[visual wigeon]

U right

Always has afaik

[crystal iron]

I do agree that maybe the black out should be more predictable and not sudden, I mean like u should be able to know when it gets too dark

So it would slowly turn into black, basically it increases opacity the further u go rather than suddenly turnign black

God my explainijg is bsd

I don't really agree with the longer u saty way from.her tho

Cuz getting close to her isn't hard

[visual wigeon]

Yeah it should definitely scale with distance

[daring imp]

yes