it isnt
#suggestions-discussion
glass sentinel
velvet locust
great, my brain isnt working
glass sentinel
earnest cape
\ moment
glass sentinel
shut
river path
summer sentinel
a little late on this but elemental blaster is already getting nerfed whilst flattening/balancing the postml tier so yeah
river path
awsome
was doing a ranger run and realised that all other weapons felt kinda worthless when i had it
cobalt pewter
Maybe a disclaimer can be done about balance suggs?
Since post-ML balance will be changed completely and not up to suggestions until 1.5
heady storm
Balance suggestions in general should be brought to testers.
summer sentinel
Maybe a disclaimer can be done about balance suggs?
Nah it's fine, if a sugg of that topic arises then we can just ping the person on it and the matter is solved, no worry
cobalt pewter
alpine trench
so i heard some where that in the future you will be able to spare supreme calamitas and possibly draedon when "he's" added i assume you will spare supreme calamitas during the part where shes powerless on the ground maybe a dialog box pops up and lets you choose and maybe that becomes a cutscene will there be cutscenes i hope so that would be amazing
cobalt pewter
....
alpine trench
however it was just a thing it was not confirmed
i mean cutscenes would be a cool thing post 1.4 update
summer sentinel
Draedon will be a boss that is pre-SCal and that's all that's been confirmed as of now
alpine trench
i knew that
like i said i just heard this
however sparing bosses could be interesting
like having calamitas in her human form as an npc
if you spare her you could possibly get different items
i dunno man
calamity has lore imagine cutscenes showing the lore ingame
is this a stupid idea?
cobalt pewter
Yes.
river glen
its a duke weapon
that is outclassed
by weapns an entire tier below it
its slow
its weak
and compare it to drops from fishron like fishron wings, tsusnami, flairon
u see that its really bad
wispy river
@alpine trench its a good idea just not realistic for terraria
alpine trench
yeah thats the thing i was worried about
river glen
and isnt stellar knife better than decapitator
river glen
i mentioned it
cobalt pewter
As well as nychthemeron
alpine trench
because theres only so much you can do with a passion project as there working for free
they will have to overhaul summoner for 1.4 due to whips
river glen
its way better than in vanilla
alpine trench
like guys i gotta remember that these devs are people
calamity can be beat summoner only
i wonder who will replace dm dokuro
river glen
bruh
wispy river
replace?
river glen
also buff vanilla spears
FUCKING GARB
none of them are good
u can maybe pick out some that have a niche
wispy river
dont say daybreak
alpine trench
also this is an outragous wish but i wish calamity wasnt a mod but it's own game however it's already a mod so this will prob not happen anytime soon
river glen
daybreak isnt a spear
wispy river
its bad pecause solar eruption is better
summer sentinel
duke's decap got regular kill times so I think it's fine as it is since you're most like be using it for ravager and LC since for AD you'd just use star of destruction (this is with avg setups)
alpine trench
still i wonder how 1.4 will alter calamity
wispy river
everyone does
wispy river
were getting off topic
cobalt pewter
duke's decap got regular kill times so I think it's fine as it is since you're m...
Lauren what
alpine trench
what even is the topic again sorry im forgetful as fuck
river glen
¯_(ツ)_/¯
summer sentinel
duke's decap isn't subpar it's decent 
river glen
since when
cobalt pewter
That shit takes too much effort to use for a "decent" reward
river glen
its slow
wispy river
[]~(￣▽￣)~[]~(￣▽￣)~
river glen
and its hard to hit
its litterally bubble gun then
its a slower stellar knife
and weaker
there is no reason
to use it
summer sentinel
You throw the decap and you soret of let rav run into it, as for LC, you make him run into it/hit him while he's sort of in idle phase, but it's mainly a wep for rav since lc is a bit speedy
river glen
but that is so specific
alpine trench
i think the topic was sparing bosses
i mean adding sparing couldnt be impossable dialogue box could work
if you dont choose spare you just kill calamitas like normal
river glen
bruh
cobalt pewter
You throw the decap and you soret of let rav run into it, as for LC, you make hi...
Rav is mega speedy as well in p2, and I don't see how decap can reliably deal damage on it when it just yoinks off to the sky every 3 seconds
wispy river
the real question is is queen slime gonna be harder than slime god
summer sentinel
here let me get specific kill times for it but I think it's fine:
Ravager: 3:20
Lunatic Cultist: 2:12
3 warding/3 menacing, potions where: well fed, rage, wrath, cursed inferno
(both times here are close to average)
wispy river
because that makes no sense
river glen
close to average
dosent mean average
and ur lsting a specific scenario
where it is good
which is not always
alpine trench
look the lyrics of stained brutal calamity have "are you sure your morals are correct?"
summer sentinel
well yeah, close enough being to +/- 15s or so, and the situation isn't necessarily specific: it's a gauge on how the weapon is performing on avg setups meaning people can minimax it more
river glen
if its so clsoe to averag
wispy river
no seriously is queen slime gonna be harder than slime god i just keep thinking about it
summer sentinel
I don't have that information but, you can provide your own tests and see what the result is but I'll see what the devs have to say about a buff on decap
river glen
@wispy river hardmode vs pre hardmode
alpine trench
also why doesnt my idea of supreme calamitas make no sense?
river glen
feynman i cant do it, i have projects and exams and prob u do to, but then why u have duke specifically
but not other weapons
wispy river
no just its a god vs a queen
alpine trench
it makes sense for calamitas's lore
earnest cape
i mean lore isn't everything
summer sentinel
It was just the weapon at the time that needed buffing, as there are other balancing priorities right now to look at
cobalt pewter
Rogue generally has bad options post golem, pre cultists
wispy river
wait thats illegal
cobalt pewter
Reason why people prefer to use stuff from earlier
river glen
stellar knife
cobalt pewter
Like Fantasy Talismans, or Stellar Knife
earnest cape
the syringe is pretty underwhelming
wispy river
you cant post 2 suggestion that close together
river glen
where does it say that
earnest cape
@atomic crag bruh
ashen warren
atomic crag
Pls
wispy river
oh i thought i saw that when reading
earnest cape
You just posted cringe
cobalt pewter
Maybe looking at post Golem rogue weapons can be an option in general?
@atomic crag check pins
heady storm
It's getting deleted for being a don't anyway.
atomic crag
Already has
wispy river
its been almost 24 hours since my suggestion
earnest cape
Yes
cobalt pewter
Yeah I don't particularly use any of the rogue weapons post Golem, pre Cultist, these are either bland (Cranium and Decap), straight up bad (The Syringe), or Malachite.
earnest cape
Malachite is decent-ish
river glen
malachite needs less i frames
earnest cape
corpus advertor is dumb 
cobalt pewter
For a legendary.
earnest cape
corpus heals more than empyrian knives
cobalt pewter
I'm disregarding hybrids for now, since they'll no longer be hybrids
earnest cape
a hardmode weapon better than endgame post moon lord weapon
cobalt pewter
On next patch
earnest cape
Oh yeah this is big brain time
cobalt pewter
plus they don't have stealth strikes
earnest cape
fair
cobalt pewter
Like, who even unironically uses Epidemic Shredder
I always forgot about it until I need to make Celestus
cobalt pewter
That one's just
Hnnng
Generally imo post Golem (pure) rogue weapons need to be looked at
Be it spam or stealth
wispy river
i kinda dissagree
earnest cape
go on
wispy river
compared to other classes its decent
zenith hazel
I feel like we might as well make a pin at this point
to like, not suggest buffing/nerfing weps
zenith hazel
ok, sugg don't then
wispy river
i do
earnest cape
sadly
cobalt pewter
Yes
zenith hazel
then I can shoot it down immediately
summer sentinel
because of other priorities right now Brav but also since it's oddly specific or?
heady storm
Converse with Rover about it Brav.
zenith hazel
because we're going through every single cal weapon anyway
I really don't see the point in having a sugg like that
earnest cape
we'll see
zenith hazel
or an idea like "hey you should look over this tier of weapons"
obviously we're gonna do that
cobalt pewter
zenith hazel
I shouldn't have to mention this again and again
alpine trench
ok do you guys wanna theorise what the future of calamity is/talk about what we would personally want from it
zenith hazel
not the channel for it
violet dagger
summer sentinel
If you want to "theorize" about future of calaimty, lore discussion might be somewhere to talk about the cal lore, cmt can also work as long as the topic is calamity
earnest cape
^
zenith hazel
@hollow shell any qualms about making a pin here saying weapon buffing/nerfing suggestions are unnecessary considering we're going to be testing/rebalancing every single cal weapon (some vanilla ones too maybe) next update anyway?
hollow shell
I mean, are the suggs at least not moderately useful for showing testers what issues have been noticed by the public?
hot zephyr
It's a good idea for a pin, but tbh most people suggesting weapon changes probably haven't and won't be reading pins
cobalt pewter
And we come back to Discord's extremely flawed pin system
hollow shell
Well that's fine cuz #suggestions-posting exists
hot zephyr
The server itself could probably clean up the pins tbh
hot zephyr
@earnest cape Read pins or I'll send you to the reddit dimension
cobalt pewter
Some important stuff can def be repinned
earnest cape
:boohoo:
cobalt pewter
Here has probably the cleanest pins
hot zephyr
#general-talk and #calamity-mod-talk have the messiest
Even though most of them are funny
earnest cape
gee I wonder why
zenith hazel
it's not really useful when we're gonna cover everything anyway
think about it
does it really matter?
if anything, you're better off suggesting acc reworks
cobalt pewter
Raider's Talisman rework question mark
hot zephyr
Feedzuh and IHS just sensed a disturbance
cobalt pewter
unreal viper
unreal viper
All three of us have I think
cobalt pewter
I think I didn't do much with Raider's aside from making it not a brunge farming acc that erases when you die
Lemme get my sugg
earnest cape
And Feed, I've tried <:crying:760584844949585970>
unreal viper
But in the end, nothing really changed.
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
Literally the three of us spend time crafting potential RT reworks, no stars. But when I suggest moving the fuckin' shrine chest one block to the right. Bam. 200+ stars.
cobalt pewter
112 stars on that sugg
earnest cape
113*
zenith hazel
OCD is apparently rampant in our community
hot zephyr
230 stars on the shrine 
earnest cape
I think that can be said for mostly anyone 
radiant meadow
shrine thing probably isn't happening anyways
cobalt pewter
rip
hot zephyr
earnest cape
hage inded
radiant meadow
world gen is one of those things, if it ain't broke, don't try and break it
hot zephyr
It's already broken
earnest cape
I thought it's already broken
radiant meadow
well then don't make it worse >:C
cobalt pewter
I'm holding off on suggesting a rip and tear and rebuild to CotBG, since Ozz has reassured me on a pog rework
earnest cape
hot zephyr
No, it's broken because ya'll followed Red's bad symmetry
earnest cape
damn
hot zephyr
You can fix worldgen by fixing shrines
cobalt pewter
Tho I suggested something about rebranding Auric Tesla armor's effects
So it doesn't feel cheap that it's using old armor effects
earnest cape
I think I may remember that
hot zephyr
tbh a lot of endgame changes seem kinda "eh" because there seems to be constant changes/planned changes to endgame
I'd be more surprised if Auric wasn't changed
hot zephyr
Do it, Feed
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
~~Cryostone ~~
cobalt pewter
HotE materials are a fuck
earnest cape
kelvin catalyst*
cobalt pewter
tbh
earnest cape
cryostone is only used for kelvin catalyst imo
cobalt pewter
And HotE
earnest cape
heart of the element is good and all
hot zephyr
Literally all of the on-hit effects in the game are terrible
cobalt pewter
Sand suggested smth about on-hit effects as well iirc
radiant meadow
Amidias' Spark is okay if you get it early enough or want to meme on DS, but other than that, most are not super good.
cobalt pewter
Along the lines of making them not suck
Byeah, Amidias named stuff should be sold from Amidias because what
radiant meadow
useful for keeping weak enemies out of your hair during downtimes like when building though
hot zephyr
Like... look at Giant Shell. it's bad
cobalt pewter
Yeah Spark isn't the worst thing there
earnest cape
building arena with enemy spawns on
cobalt pewter
Too bad Absorber and the upgrades don't inherit an upgraded version on Rover Drive
hot zephyr
(sorry Rover)
cobalt pewter
Rover Drive is bad
@rover
earnest cape
rover drive is decent if you get it early enough although it only functions as a filler acc imo
radiant meadow
Rover Drive is also within like the first 10 minutes tbf
hot zephyr
There could be changes to Rover Drive to make it better
Because I'm pretty sure the game is hardcoded to only make the barrier appear when you aren't at risk of taking a hit
radiant meadow
but for such an early game acc, not sure if it really needs to be better
cobalt pewter
Because I'm pretty sure the game is hardcoded to only make the barrier appear wh...
Ah yes
hot zephyr
Rover Drive could actually be a good on-hit accessory if taking a hit caused the shield to deploy early
cobalt pewter
takes damage
Rover Drive shield pops up afterwards
I no longer take damage
Shield down
I immediately take damage
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
hnng
Personally having on-hit buffs apply like Hide of Deus (the higher the dmg you take, the longer the duration of the buffs) would make them significantly better
So in case Rover Drive becomes an on-hit acc, the higher the damage you took, the longer the shield will last
hot zephyr
It doesn't even need to change that much
Keep it exactly the same, but taking a hit deploys the shield and resets the cooldown
You'd still take the same damage for the first hit, but you could get some defense in a pinch if you're getting hit multiple times
earnest cape
So in case Rover Drive becomes an on-hit acc, the higher the damage you took, th...
maybe the more damage you take the higher the defense it gives? it'll be hardcapped of course
hot zephyr
So lets say, it's got 8 seconds until it appears again
Taking a hit will instantly deploy the barrier for ten seconds, and then you'll have to wait the standard 20 seconds
Taking an additional hit during the recharge won't summon it again
Fungal Charapace could have a weaker version of the fungal spores always active; so you'd emit weaker fungi when you aren't damaged
radiant meadow
so like spore sac kinda but they don't move
hot zephyr
Yes
Craw Carapace could be changed to instead of being shitty thorns potion, instead getting hit gives the enemy damage vulnerability for a shortt time
hot zephyr
Giant Shell is cool, but will be butchered once the Movement Speed rework is in
cobalt pewter
I mean that'll be rebalanced in movespeed nerf ig
hot zephyr
Like, enjoy having 15% less max speed, and jump speed for equipping a mediocre pre-hm accessory when, at that stage of the game, movement heavily dictates difficulty
cobalt pewter
Along with Fabled 
hot zephyr
lol fabled tortoise shell + mollusk armor
tbh Fabled Tortoise Shell is literally just the good aspects of the absorber's recipe combined
Giant Tortoise Shell is literally an F tier accessory though
sleek hornet
Fabled tortoise shell, titanium helmet, mollusk srmor and legging with warding and a couple buffs and accs you can get 200 def pre-hm boss
hot zephyr
Anomura Fungus needs to be able to spawn in underground mushroom biome in pre-hm so you can get Fungal Charapace before Hardmode without having to create an artificial surface mushroom biome.
radiant meadow
move it to a crabulon drop maybe?
sleek hornet
but why? surface artificial mushroom biome pre hm is 1. not that hard to do, 2. if it did spawn inunderground biome, it wil bw pain in the ass to transverse trough that because the enemies are really strong for early pre-hm
hot zephyr
Just reduce their health/damage in pre-hm
hot zephyr
move it to a crabulon drop maybe?
I'd agree with you, but Crabulon already has a huge drop pool, and already has a signature accessory
sleek hornet
hm.. yeah probably
cobalt pewter
Actually lemme actually check existing accessories to rip and tear while y'all are discussing absorber mats
Ah fuck, The Amalgam.
earnest cape
don't they spawn in the surface at any time
cobalt pewter
Been plaguing my mind for a while, but at the very least I always think the acc needs a new, revamped minion with it
hot zephyr
Yes
hot zephyr
Actually lemme actually check existing accessories to rip and tear while y'all a...
Bloom Stone stinky, literally it's only useful purpose is dye plant farming for health upgrades
earnest cape
ah yes, I do like living rainbow dye
sleek hornet
its "just a material ™️"
cobalt pewter
I don't wanna set another precedent that will lead to 3-5 HotE material suggs in one sitting
hot zephyr
swap Fungal Symbiote and Fungal Clump lel
summer sentinel
didn't even know that mob was post crabulon only
radiant meadow
Its not
radiant meadow
Anomura fungus is a vanilla enemy
hot zephyr
It's hardmode and beyond if you want it to spawn underground
summer sentinel
I read the rest of the sugg, my question got answered
hot zephyr
Any major flaws in it, Lauren?
radiant meadow
They could spawn only post crab underground though
summer sentinel
I see no issue in it
hot zephyr
imagine if the crimson/corrupt flask gave your attacks a very small change to inflict cursed flames/ichor
The Ambrosial Amp is actually a good example of having most/all of it's materials be useful
hot zephyr
If the pre-hardmode accessory meta wasn't so clogged with must-haves, I could see Living Dew being used
Corrupt/Crimson flasks are so easy to make now, they're actually useful when fighting the evil bosses
earnest cape
a lot easier to make
hot zephyr
Radiant Ooze is the shitty one though
cobalt pewter
I wanted to think of something for Badge of Bravery
cobalt pewter
But I still can't wrap my head around the concept of RIVs in general
hot zephyr
Most RIVs need to replace their standard variants
Since usually they're just better accessories
like, compare the Shield of the Ocean (mediocre) to the Deep Diver (A+ accessory)
cobalt pewter
Samurai Badge is remotely more interesting than Badge of Bravery yes
earnest cape
deep diver is S accessory
hot zephyr
Conference Call is literally just Conclave Crossfire but better
earnest cape
and good reference
hot zephyr
Eye of Magnus and Lunic Eye are barely even related lol
earnest cape
eye of magnus is more of a reference 
cobalt pewter
And for the context of RIVs, Skullmasher can carry you throughout both Yharon phases while Anti-materiel is just there
hot zephyr
Thorn Blossom is CBT to farm
earnest cape
speaking about dog drops, norfleet
cobalt pewter
Star Cannon upgrades do suck for the most part
earnest cape
Thorn Blossom is CBT to farm
imagine farming for thorn blossom
earnest cape
yeh
cobalt pewter
But Fab is planning to buff the weapon so ye
summer sentinel
Flasks are already really easy to make for melee and rogue, don't need the small chance at all lol
earnest cape
I hope the star cannon upgrades are made better
earnest cape
hot zephyr
Flasks are already really easy to make for melee and rogue, don't need the small...
flasks as in the ambrosial amp accessories
cobalt pewter
Corruption and Crimson Flasks
hot zephyr
not the melee/rogue potions
cobalt pewter
Mutated Truffle seems like an ech accesory to me
summer sentinel
(yeah I meant for the ampoule flasks)
hot zephyr
Then what does Melee and Rogue have to do with em?
I'm more suggesting the feature so that you can inflict cursed flames/ichor earlygame
zenith hazel
what's the downside?
hot zephyr
consuming an accessory slot
zenith hazel
there has to be a bigger downside than that tbh
zenith hazel
perfs lore giving ichor in the crimson is already pretty big
hot zephyr
I mean, look at pre-hardmode which has the least amount of acc slots and the biggest gap in accessory quality (compare BoB, frog leg, dash, to something like craw carapace)
zenith hazel
and you only need 3 accs to beat pre-hm anyway: cs/soc, bob, frostspark
summer sentinel
what I mean Ian is that the small chance doesn't need to be there tbh since there are more concrete ways of getting ichor/cursed inferno debuffs, such as flasks, or golden shower/cursed inferno tomes and them bullets/arrows, and golden gun
hot zephyr
but those are all hardmode
summer sentinel
well looking at what Brav had just mentioned: the lore is big enough already, and giving those debuffs in prehm just seem a little much
hot zephyr
Perf lore is strong because it's consistent
earnest cape
maybe a less effective version of the debuff?
hot zephyr
and has no real downsides
I was thinking the ichor/cursed flame would only last for 1/0.5s
earnest cape
or you only have a small chance for you weapons to actually inflict th debuff
hot zephyr
And have a pitifully low chance of inflicting
earnest cape
m
hot zephyr
So it'll incentivize holding onto adrenaline/rage until you proc a debuff
Instead of just burning it
zenith hazel
feels like those fast weps are going to abuse the heck out of that
or summoner, to an extent
hot zephyr
I mean, would it be that much stronger compared to something like Luxors
earnest cape
lower the chance th lower your use time is
hot zephyr
~~it could be an on-hit effect instead ~~
earnest cape
went to the bathroom and got an idea of how it would work. It would make an aura around you similar to tesla potion but 3/4 the size and has a 100% chance to inflict cursed flame/ichor debuff when using corruption or crimson flask respectively that would last 1 second or less
how does that sound
(and thank you bathroom )
hot zephyr
It'd kick ass with True Melee
hot zephyr
but then again tbf crimson crusher blade exists
earnest cape
true melee
sleek hornet
Feedzuh count:
cobalt pewter
proper grail
I'm for the idea of "earning" the right to vote on suggestions so we don't get stupid stuff voted or massive floods of votes
proper grail
Another nohitting accessory sigh
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
Wouldn't it not be a nohit since you lose health to 1hp when using it? 
Actually idk
frail mantle
If it’s a survivability accessory it’s not a nohit accessory
Nohit accessories are the opposite of that
haughty owl
It's a high risk, high reward survival accessory to be specific
Best used when you have low health
frail mantle
Yea
haughty owl
And we could make it so that the lower your health is before the startup, the lower the amount of health you gain per attack
So the effectiveness of it scales based on your health to prevent it from being broken
cobalt pewter
I'll let the devs decide on that if they just so happens to approve the idea
I just wanted to lay out the basic example
serene fox
the only thing that makes df's p3 challenging are said nadoes
removing them outright would just kill all the challenge
it's endless dashes are more of a nerf than a buff tbh
even if they were presented as the latter
cobalt pewter
I still think the nadoes in the dash part are a weird addition to the phase that's supposed to highlight only the boss
serene fox
that would make p3 just dashes
which really isn't a lot
ig you could replace them with an entirely different mechanic
but p3 without nadoes would be pathetic
cobalt pewter
I did say to shift power to his dashes in exchange of removing these shits
finite shard
holyfire bullets or bloodfire?
sleek turret
holyfire bullets or bloodfire?
Better ask that on #help-advice-read-pins
finite shard
oh i thought i was on that sorry
zealous ridge
oh fuck imagine if duke could teleport halfway through a dash
sharp prism
🗿 ™️
zealous ridge
or like, do a speen that’s centered around you
frail mantle
give OD the Soul Master fakeout ground smash thing
zealous ridge
ok
Dashes could also be faked with him instead lunging a bit back and then firing a spread of sharks
I think the point is
Focus should be more on following duke and what he’s doing
Rather than the nadoes that he just makes
cobalt pewter
Yes
frail mantle
yea
zealous ridge
Yharon had a pretty similar problem, less so with the rework if I recall
with his new pulsing rings attack
Greater screen prescence as well
lilac moat
for reforging i farm desert scourge
tawny garden
you won't have to in 1.5
cobalt pewter
Indeed
lilac moat
lol
grim tusk
5 plat is fine for yharon, considering how much exo weapons cost to reforge
I think I used 200 plat once to get Unreal (back then when rogue modifiers didnt exist) on Celestus
wary oasis
lmao
grim tusk
Also that sugg has some serious grammar
tawny garden
I think I used 200 plat once to get Unreal (back then when rogue modifiers didnt...
wow
I remember spending only like 25 Platinum to get Mythical on Subsuming Vortex
crude geode
Dash phases are inherently frustrating to me, as it’s a specific indicator of your skill with bonking or dashing timing and nothing else. It’s not a test of all the player’s skills put together into a overall good phase, it’s one skill you have to be really good at or die.
I know shields/dashes are just necessary in calamity, and that’s probably not going to change (even if it should), but forcing the player to use one specific skill in a phase of a boss fight is unfun and unfair. Especially when it’s at the end of a fight, like Duke Fishron.
zealous ridge
it really depends on how it’s handled
dashes in quick succession usually require dashes to change direction quickly
if the boss dashes through or past you, now they’re on the other side of you
The idea with dodging dashes is moving perpendicularly, and dashes often help with that
but if the delay is long enough, you could be given more time to adjust without a dash
crude geode
Indeed that is how dashes work.
zealous ridge
It’s just, as a reactionary thing it’s easier
lilac moat
Also that sugg has some serious grammar
i know but its hard to write when you are not english and difficulty to write sorry
crude geode
But that doesn’t mean you have to dedicate a phase of a boss fight to it
zealous ridge
well ok first I need to ask
crude geode
See the twins for an example
zealous ridge
how long is the phase in rev+
wary oasis
yes
zealous ridge
like, I guess how long is it supposed to last
wary oasis
yes
crude geode
too long
zealous ridge
ok so we can work on that
like actually I don’t remember
The thing in vanilla is that it’s almost always short as fuck
Because he stays still and takes full damage for like 4 seconds
which justifies the fact that if you don’t burst him down enough there, the dashes are fucking crazy and difficult to understand initially
Because the dumb testers be like
“Oh well if u have enough dmg this phase basically doesn’t exist”
so balancing for it lasting more than a few seconds is what works
but cal changes this
if I recall it’s by making him invincible in phase transition
crude geode
That is in fact how it works.
zealous ridge
and so the phase can drag the fuck on
it’s important to note, I agree just having him do wackier dash patterns or whatever would drag
but the idea is that the nadoes are not a good solution either
crude geode
I think that, fundamentally, dash phases are completely boring and unfun when compared to actually adding something else into the mix.
zealous ridge
It takes the attention away from the main boss, firstly
you’re more worried about nadoes than the dashing shit because he’s so predictable and easy to dodge with cal movement options that otherwise unable to hit you
I think focus should be more on duke, but it doesn’t have to be specifically all dash-into-player attacks
crude geode
the design of Duke conflicts with that currently
zealous ridge
kind of
crude geode
heavily
crude geode
Duke Fishron summons homing bubble enemies, as well as sharknadoes that fling enemies at you.
zealous ridge
The homing bubbles are a bit less of a disjointed thing
They come from the boss itself, after all
You should generally keep track of where he is to know where the bubbles come from
the nadoes are far more disjointed
They take a while to activate
crude geode
~~which leaves dashing as the other thing duke does ~~
zealous ridge
When I say I want it to focus on duke, I mean I want to have his attacks come from him more directly
It doesn’t mean I want him to ram me
constantly
That’s not ideal either
like, the idea I mentioned earlier
Duke gets near you in p3, his eyes glow
But they glow purple instead perhaps, and instead of a dash he lunges a bit backwards and sends out several sharkrons
from where he is
you need to pay attention to the boss
but it’s not a dash
it’s something a bit more complicated than just moving perpendicularly
crude geode
I guess, realistically the sugg currently in posting implies the power would go to his dashes.
zealous ridge
yea, which the wording isn’t what I’d exactly perfer
ig I could ask about it but
The main point, I feel
the nadoes suck
they should be replaced in this phase with something more focused on keeping track of the boss itself
crude geode
@cobalt pewter Frankly adding more power to Duke fishron’s dashes makes it Yharon subphase 4, which is not good. I would replace with some either idea for an attack, or just a classic leave it up to the devs.
such as what Chozo brought up
cobalt pewter
zealous ridge
yea I agree I do t want to have yharon dash forever phase again
crude geode
also tbfh your main point of fun is highly subjective. I (and I hope a decent amount of players) don’t enjoy dash phases, and it can be provided in the example of subphase 4 of yharhar being completely changed.
zealous ridge
give duke boc clones
sharp prism
goddammit, feedzuh with another sugg
zealous ridge
For me I like what kind of movement is encouraged
if you don’t have super creeped mobility your best option is to go more in tight circles
It brings you close to the boss and it feels exhilarating
but also
If you fuck up it’s likely to chain to death
So risky and disappointing very often
Usually it’s safer to crank your mobility to just nyoom away while watching for nadoes
crude geode
~~goddammit, feedzuh with another sugg~~
~~at least they’re suggesting things ~~
zealous ridge
🙉
crude geode
Byech.
I should go rest before I give myself an aneurysm over Duke Fishron and Old Duke Bc I’m getting flashbacks to fighting him for the first time ever on Deathmode
dim star
It’s almost an endgame boss
Of course you’re getting several platinum
Some of the items at that stage cost 1 platinum
karmic stone
yharon IS the final boss
5 plat every few minutes is nothing compared to farming something like
cryogen
which takes way less time and nets more
wary oasis
yharon IS the final boss
what bout xeroc and noxus?
karmic stone
what about them
karmic stone
she's a superboss
frozen hornet
She's still a superboss
sleek girder
frozen hornet
She won't be in the future
"she however, will """officially""" lose the superboss title with 1.5.0.1 for a few reasons "
sleek turret
Hmm, the concept of this new suggestion is alright, but, at the end there's the specific part, which implies a SIS.
frozen hornet
So yes,but actually not yet
karmic stone
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/225030931008847874/7795706901...
oh thats neat
still though
hardy dock
@lilac moat reforges are incredibly expensive at that point in the game, and the 5 plat from beating Phase 1 doesn't compare to how much you can make from farming DoG
gray nebula
thats an incredible sugg actually
more than incredible i think
turn andromeda into a melee weapon instead
pine star
frail mantle
when does melee transcend this mortal realm and embody every class at once
ancient crow
it's already happened
sharp prism
melee is already ranger mage and swords why not summoner to
ancient crow
last mourning line is already summoner
pine star
summer sentinel
god that iban comment made me laugh but yeah I don't see what you mean by "more summoner"?
It's meant to be unique than for example: summoning a tiny army of mini small suit andromedas
sleek girder
prob means making the mech use slots..? i dont know
limber ocean
add an alternative adamantite version of the titanium railgun
I'm pretty sure someone made this suggestion not too long ago
craggy stratus
wooden wedge
arent all of these getting bombed
golden narwhal
Melee/- yea
dapper coral
@celest python melee/rogue weapons are dying in the next update, they'll be one or the other only
wooden wedge
celest python
tawny garden
(alternatives sucked)
hot zephyr
@keen nebula Can't you just retarget the minions
wooden wedge
mirage jellies are invincible?
keen nebula
Well the elemental axes were flying back and forth on them and not dealing any damage, so
wooden wedge
what mod version number are you on?
keen nebula
Latest
wooden wedge
thats not a number
go to your mods tab in the main menu of tML and say the version number of the mod youre on
keen nebula
1.4.5.007
wooden wedge
report that to #bugs-read-pins, since mirage jellies certainly are not invincible
whole sedge
yeah uh mirage jelies aren't invincible first off 
stiff karma
what do you guys think of a post-Sentinels or post-Polterghast yoyo? trying to fight DoG with a yoyo is nearly impossible right now because after Providence the only other yoyo upgrade is post DoG, and while the three post-Providence yoyos are all great, they aren't nearly good enough for DoG. there are definitely better melee weapons to use on DoG, and I'm not saying the new yoyo should replace any of those, but i think it would be a good idea to give yoyo players a way to get past DoG instead of being forced to switch to other weapons.
golden narwhal
Think that fits under "subclass expansion" or smth
If there are other viable melee weapons, that's a self-imposed problem
(Sugging to buff the yoyos would work, ig, but that might be fixed in 1.5)
stiff karma
ah, got it. thanks!
dapper coral
stiff karma
pardon me then
tawny garden
(Sugging to buff the yoyos would work, ig, but that might be fixed in 1.5)
there should be no balancing suggs in this period imo
before 1.5 comes out
golden narwhal
Makes sense tbh
tawny garden
holy shit, it's been more than a year since I started to check suggs daily
I've lost memory of when I've first been here
#suggestions-voting message first sugg I starred
violet minnow
pardon me then
you can pay $50 and get a item
sharp prism
up until december 31st
hot zephyr
God if only
hot zephyr
Removing multi-helmet armor? Based
golden narwhal
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
It'd probably be for the best that Victide/Wulfrum are generalist armors, Melee and Summoner deserve unique earlygame armors
gray nebula
based
I think itd be cool if someone had a document with changes to armors like that
hot zephyr
~~I have a draft for an alternate melee helmet for Meteorite armor as a patreon item that I was going to donate for until my financial stability went to shit ~~
Did someone say doc about changing armor sets?
@unreal viper @cobalt pewter Our time has come
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
Awaken, my masters!
cobalt pewter
sorry, I was too busy discussing stealth damage somewhere else
hot zephyr
I want to go wherever that "somewhere else" is
cobalt pewter
But yeah cool armor changes
hot zephyr
living armor for summoner when
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
Basically the concept I had was for a mage/melee armor with a set bonus that'd boost true melee damage after dealing magic damage, and true melee damage boosting magic damage
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
So you'd alternate between spell and sword
golden narwhal
Me when multiclass armor that doesn't just give bonuses for multiple classes
cobalt pewter
Warrior mage (in real)
hot zephyr
Spellsword subclass
pine star
cobalt pewter
If we wanna do clap some multiclass armors, probably Hardmode is the best spot to do so
Post ML is being rebalanced to fuck and I don't think there's much multiclass on phm
cobalt pewter
And I know I've heard sand talking about reaver armor for like 7 times or a bit more now
hot zephyr
If patreon items are going bye-bye in 2021 I might as well just cough up the money so I can get the silly true magelee helmet
cobalt pewter
do it
hot zephyr
Be careful what you ask for
hot zephyr
Exactly
Maybe rope in Thomas
I was going to ping him but there's only three pillar men
cobalt pewter
Santana existed
hot zephyr
mayhaps
cobalt pewter
Byeah, sir asian's sugg is
hot zephyr
Now do Reaver, Daedalus and Hydrothermic
hot zephyr
Cleaver armor
summer sentinel
Armor rebalancing will happen in due time
hot zephyr
golden narwhal
summer sentinel
First the weapons need the balancing so they stop being wonky radical beings because power curves are yeah
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
And then ACCESSORIES 
pine star
hot zephyr
tbh Torrential Tear not being in abyss crates seems like an oversight
If I was going to make a new suggestion; I'd suggest that having crate items in your inventory reduce the chance of getting duplicates
IE if you have Falcon Blade in your inventory and open silver crates, you'd have a lesser chance of receiving it
gray nebula
damn im back the doc thing was a reference to a dev having an already made doc like that it's be sad to waste ur time making one of we already have one
hot zephyr
Not if we make a cooler one
cobalt pewter
Cal devs are cool tho, so I give em that
hot zephyr
They are, yes
But with the three of us combined, and our collective three brain cells? There ain't nothing we can't do
hot zephyr
Oh I thought I was the one with the half-cell
pine star
haha
tawny garden
Half of my brain cell is somewhere else
I think I've found it
cobalt pewter
Where 🔫
summer sentinel
That's fair, fabsol vodka in prehm is kind of funny
golden narwhal
Ah yes, good ol' blood orbs
hot zephyr
The unicorn horn seems fitting
cobalt pewter
Unicorn Horn might relate to the alicorn mount
hot zephyr
horn-y npc
cobalt pewter
Which is also directly related to the whole self insert thing for Fab
As for convenience, a single horn can just be used to craft multiple vodkas
tawny garden
~~horn-y npc~~
Drunk Princess' internal name is "FAP"
just sayin'
hmm, Kaizo, did you try to strikethrough "even though, you may need to grind for them"?
sleek turret
Uhh, you mean about "--" that I put there?
sleek turret
may remove them.
tawny garden
unreal viper
@hot zephyr I need to make it actually good but yeah, I do have a doc
golden narwhal
Tbh I feel this would fit better as an inventory item
Since stuff like lore items exist
dapper coral
i was thinking the same
craggy pilot
maybe change it to a lore item then?
dapper coral
is there a sandstorm lore item atm?
cobalt pewter
No
dapper coral
because if so, it could be added to that
and if not, there could be one
also i feel like this
Perhaps have it drop from the sand shark or be created from a grand scale as to still ensure the player must battle it at least once.
sorta distracts from the main point of the sugg, since you're more concerned about not fighting GSS than needing to find rare elemental
dapper coral
okay this is good now, epic
@white patio this is an SIS, specific item suggestion
you can't do those, read the document in the pins
white patio
dapper coral
all good
tawny garden
Wait a sec, how did this get through? #suggestions-voting message
tawny garden
Fuck
cobalt pewter
I thought it's my Yharim Gift sugg because I thought linking on my mobile was a fuck
hnnnng
summer sentinel
hm, that shouldn't be there but it won't reach star requirement so just ignore
tawny garden
The duke decapitator one
summer sentinel
I guess Brav forgot to !
cobalt pewter
Yeah, Decap wouldn't probably go anywhere
tawny garden
It's just "dps smol"
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
That was way before the plan to rebalance pML is on the move
foggy plover
dont need to suggest balance suggs tho,.,..,.,
summer sentinel
yeah because all the weapons are going to get balanced as Brav have mentioned (that'll be fun)
foggy plover
just alert a tester
tawny garden
dont need to suggest balance suggs tho,.,..,.,
Yeah
foggy plover
(or rn if its post ml just, dont bother)
tawny garden
It'll be rebalanced anyway
cobalt pewter
Ye
cobalt pewter
I did plan to sugg something about stealth, but I assume 1.5 will also touch on stealth
So there's that I guess?
Either way, imma dissect Nebulous Core
Why is it just space Spore Sac
And why does it have RNG rez
dapper coral
channel for contacting testers is called "@"
cobalt pewter
What if Nebulous Core's RNG rez is replaced with a barrage of Godslayer lasers towards hit enemies instead
crude geode
What if post dog accessories were actually competitive 
crude geode
What if CotBG wasn’t completely necessary as an accessory
cobalt pewter
It already isn't necessary
Wym
Am I really the minority that swags Yharon's dashes with Aegis dash instead of CotBG
golden narwhal
chad aegis dashing is the way
summer sentinel
@dry lance you need a reason for your suggestion, preferably just edit your suggestion to include it
cobalt pewter
bru
summer sentinel
oh I see
dry lance
ye im a begginer with this discord
summer sentinel
All good, you could add a little more to your reasoning though as to why they should be in the piggy rather than inventory clutter, since you can just take items from your inventory and put them in your piggy and so on
dry lance
hmm that would be alright for one or two but since so many provide positive benefits it gets crazy fast
marble hazel
All good, you could add a little more to your reasoning though as to why they sh...
because per se u r adventuring but 3/4 of your inven are lore items 😂 😂
u could argue that just place the items through a piggy trout or whatever the fuck that piggy flying bank was called but personally for me its just convenience
tranquil perch
On the same topic, i sm considering suggesting being able to combine WoF, Plantera and polter lore items at a tinkerers workshop
So that you can have increased item range without it taking 3 inv slots
Is it a good idea or nah
marble hazel
ye i think it should too
well no
because how are you gonna read the lore now bruv
and lore items are supposed to special to the bosses maybe..
tranquil perch
Just make it say something like
"Grab range item"(wof +plant)
"Decent increase to grab range"
"Grab range item 2"(previous item+polter)
Major increase to grab range"
dapper coral
i mean, part of the point of using lore items is that you sacrifice inventory slots for it
...actually, asking to combine lore items might be a don't
okay no, it's not a don't
but it's in the frequently-suggested section
tepid root
speaking of, shouldnt this be removed from that
eternal escarp
so now im wondering if this aswell should be removed, since isnt the lab in the jungle technically a plague structure?
tepid root
biome and minibiome still dont exist so it probably shouldnt be removed
eternal escarp
fair point
cobalt pewter
Shouldn't this be changed to a don't for suggesting weapon balance changes at all? I think brav tried to talk to rover about it a while back.
Essentially in general, it's easier to just contact any Beta Testers about specific weapon balance. Not only that, 1.5 will also rebalance everything, so suggesting specific weapon balance is redundant.
dapper coral
Weapon rebalances are rather redundant here now, yeah
summer sentinel
They will be rebalanced in time once postml has been sorted out
dapper coral
Mostly because testers assess the weapon before it makes it to voting
cobalt pewter
~~They will be rebalanced in time once postml has been sorted out~~
It's not just that, Lauren. See my first point about making weapon rebalance suggs a don't
Just @ a tester and ask "yo this weapon is broken, can you check" or "dude this is kinna garbage, mind checking it out"
Much more efficient than suggesting
summer sentinel
oh yeah I know, I thought that was given since there are a handful of active testers floating around
cobalt pewter
Especially since public doesn't like confusing numbers
So suggesting doesn't do much
Anyway
Dash accs
Asgardian gives worse stat bonuses than Elysian
While Tabi dash is inferior to rams
distant vault
void sash but it works kind of like counter scarf
so that it isn't worthless for yharon because no ram
:)
quartz hare
😉
void kelp
y’all’s thoughts on:
Add a recipe for Photosynthesis potions using chlorophyte/perennial ore
tawny garden
kinda makes sense, except that the potion is pre-hardmode
dapper coral
and blood orbs are an enigma so 
tawny garden
tawny garden
dapper coral
aka almost the whole recipe lmao
tawny garden
for some reason
I remember it being easier to access in pre-hm
or I just have fake memories
also Demik has Nitro pog
radiant meadow
the blood orb recipe could just be changed
dapper coral
my take is
it makes logical sense, but idk if it's really necessary
if the idea would be to make it easier to get, it would probably invalidate the current recipe entirely
radiant meadow
it's not that big of a deal
dapper coral
mm chlorophyte could be added to the blood orb recipe as a progression lock
that might be better, actually
dapper coral
titan scale and shattering come to mind
so yes it does exist, no harm in doing it again
tawny garden
[[Draconic Elixir]]
red stormBOT
radiant meadow
okay but prehardmode draconic elixir and holy wrath potions in testing were a fat meme
tawny garden
dapper coral
mfw endgame potions are like children's candy in pre-hm
radiant meadow
the potions that are "on edge" between phm and hm are just crumbling, soaring, and photosynthesis, right?
red stormBOT
dapper coral
as in, potions that are normally hm but blood orbs make prehm?
dapper coral
and then by extension, cadance is also like that
tawny garden
m
dapper coral
that seems to be it
tawny garden
obtaining Vodka Pre-Hardmode is just trying to buy it before you're 18
I could try it tho
void kelp
life force is funny because yeah it’s technically hardmode but they’re found in crates and lab chests (and other “rare” chests in vanilla)
tawny garden
I used it against WoF
void kelp
ye but it’s balanced out by being a rare find anyways
mighty knot
shouldn't that be bluechecked?
I feel like adamantite railgun has been suggested at least twice before
zenith hazel
it has to be delivered first to be a bluecheck, and as you can see, it's not
proper grail
Ik, I'm just linking the previous post
gray nebula
dont do anything with it:
!:
shit event
not our job to make it good
leave it rot alone in the corner
proper grail
tawny garden
Iban based
gray nebula
we have liike
a lot more important stuff to care of
such as makiing the bad sutff in the mod currently good, etc
gray nebula
maybe but no one plays it
frail mantle
that's why they're fixing the broke shit in the mod
gray nebula
liike yeayyyyy time to make a frost legion miniboss for 4 players to fight agaisnt it because no one fligths agaisnt it because no one likes it
proper grail
Nobody plays it because it is trash, so fix it!
gray nebula
no
becuase even if we fixed it no one would still play it because we cant change mentalities
and like damn thats a lot of work for something thats not ours to fix
proper grail
You managed to make BoC interesting
gray nebula
everyone fights boc
gray nebula
but everyone in a crimson world fights boc
no one ever plays agaisnt frost legion (if theyre even aware its a thing)
and like imagine moving shotgun to this randomass event
gray nebula
cant wait for people to go "guysyys why doesnt arm dealer sell shotgun 😢 what the hell!"
and yeah
we could easily fix frost legion by removing it actually!
such a great loss no one would care
tawny garden
guysyys why doesnt arm dealer sell shotgun 😢 what the hell!
gray nebula
hollow shell
@trail ginkgo Presumably also deleting the stealth strike and removing it from Terra Disk's recipe?
trail ginkgo
yeah, or at least adding a melee version of it
tawny garden
versions are dying soon
trail ginkgo
kinda like the kelvin catalyst
hollow shell
Yeah we're yeeting melee/rogue alts
trail ginkgo
dang
hollow shell
We pushed em all into one class or the other