suggestions-discussion

[radiant meadow]

so yeah, this sugg just isn't possible without fundamentally changing the function of the weapon

[reef wave]

I don’t really understand?

[wispy river]

I don't want to be annoying but any thoughts on my suggestion from today?

[reef wave]

You just hold click

@wispy river I think it’s a good idea

I just don’t go to the sulfurous sea that often, only for acid rain and to go into the abyss

If the final dawn can’t be reworked that’s okay, it was just an idea

[golden narwhal]

It's called terraria code

[earnest cape]

it makes sense

[hot zephyr]

I mean, compare the Sulfurous Sea to the Sunken Sea

[earnest cape]

blame red™️

[hot zephyr]

There's way more to do in the Sulfurous than Sunken

[golden narwhal]

Seems insanely simple from a spectator POV, but isn't for reasons

[hot zephyr]

It's just pretty difficult to add reasons to return to biomes tbh

[reef wave]

I only ever used ocean lore for a bit of farming once or twice so

Maybe it would have its uses

[wispy river]

ive accidently spawned it in multiplier than have it come to our base

[reef wave]

Sometimes it’s nice to just vibe with Anahita or aquatic scoog

[wispy river]

lol

this was pre skeletron

[reef wave]

Oh lol

[tepid root]

isnt the most recent sugg in posting just not possible because funny channeling on right clicks

[golden narwhal]

Yea, that was addressed

[earnest cape]

funny red code

[golden narwhal]

Should prolly be exclaimed or smth

[dapper coral]

yeah this is no bueno

dan said it is literally impossible the last time it came up

[earnest cape]

sad

[golden narwhal]

Sugger is kinda aware of this btw

Not sure if they wanna change it tho

[dapper coral]

i'm gonna remove it because it's not salvageable in any way
ben said it as well, apparently
that it can't be changed to right click because funny

[golden narwhal]

Aight

[earnest cape]

[glass sentinel]

thats a very.... strange sugg

and a no

[sleek hornet]

is there even any upgrade to bug net

[golden narwhal]

Internal confusion at a max

[glass sentinel]

golden bug net

[sturdy geyser]

golden bug net

[earnest cape]

this

[glass sentinel]

they arent rogue weps

so

no

[earnest cape]

is confusion 100

[dire loom]

dang

it would be cool tho

[sleek hornet]

i mean.. its basically the same thing and not really a direct upgrade

[earnest cape]

i mean it would

but it's just hmm

[dire loom]

i mean who uses bug nets in calamity anyway

[hot zephyr]

Why would you lock biome critters behind a class?

[dire loom]

you can buy bait

[golden narwhal]

Stealth also isn't really needed in sunken sea, since everything is initially passive

[hot zephyr]

Some recipes consist of critters, for example the Frog Leg's recipe requires frogs

[dapper coral]

mmmyeah idk bout this one chief

[cobalt pewter]

... interesting use of stealth, but not only it'd lock the function to a class as Ian said, I don't see the merit when you can just make an upgrade like vanilla

[dire loom]

wait i thought any class could have rogue stealth as long as they were holding the weapon

[hot zephyr]

No

Stealth is given by armor sets

[dire loom]

fug i guess demonshade armor counts as rogue armor

whoops

[dapper coral]

plus like
it's not like the sunken sea is challenging enough that people would rather catch things with bug nets than just kill them

[sleek hornet]

demonshade is a multiclass, but currently there is no multiclass armor (fearmonger, omega blue) that have a stealth value

[hot zephyr]

Also what're you killing in the Sunken Sea outside of Acid Rain for drops... urchins? trashers?

[cobalt pewter]

You can use stealth on Omega Blue actually

[dapper coral]

sunken sea, ian

not sulphurous

[hot zephyr]

ah

I've misread

[cobalt pewter]

I'm pretty sure stealth has a base when holding rogue weaps

[hot zephyr]

wait

That makes even less sense

The Sunken sea is almost 100% peaceful

The biggest threat there is the air timer

[radiant meadow]

Multiclass armors don't have stealth at default but the sheath line gives stealth and Multiclass armors are compatible

[sleek hornet]

its only from acc, justholding a rogue weapon wont give you stealth

[hot zephyr]

There's things that need to be introduced/changed about the Sunken Sea, but adding bug net functionality ain't it

[cobalt pewter]

Ah

[hot zephyr]

If we're going to expand the Sunken Sea, maybe some new critters in the Sunken Sea?

[cobalt pewter]

Wait but I'm pretty sure I can use stealth with bricks?

Preboss

Actually

Nah

Might've forgot

My memory is fading

[hot zephyr]

Consumable bait that refills your oxygen bar ala bladderfish from Subnautica? :p

[glass sentinel]

bubblefish

[sleek hornet]

there is already air bubbles from corals that gives you breath

[hot zephyr]

It's vignette

Also I've never gone into the sea without the DS expert drop/gills potion so

[glass sentinel]

^

[hot zephyr]

nor have I ever actually really died in the Sunken Sea because... it's not supposed to be challenging

I do think that the Sunken Sea needs more content though, since it's only really useful in the earlygame and early hardmode... and even then it's still not too great

[low comet]

the only thing that can kill you is giant clam if you get too cocky

[hot zephyr]

maybe in hardmode

but not pre-hm

[low comet]

and even then it's still easy to dodge

sunken sea kinda feels like a failed biome attempt imo, no offense to the devs

[hot zephyr]

It's not failed, it just hasn't been touched in awhile

[low comet]

Yeah you worded it better

But I agree, it's gotten kind of dry lately

[hot zephyr]

Nothing in the mod is "failed" tbh, since it's updated near constantly things are always up to change

[radiant meadow]

Needs more color variety too

[hot zephyr]

I like the color palette of the sunken sea

[glass sentinel]

very calming

[radiant meadow]

The Abyss is good with colors

[hot zephyr]

If we're changing aquatic biomes, the Abyss desperately needs an art upgrade

[radiant meadow]

Sunken Sea is just blue

[low comet]

abyss scary :(

[hot zephyr]

It's a Subnautica reference that lacks Subnautica's vibrant palettes

[low comet]

i remember i used to never go down below lever 2 cuz i was a little coward

R'lyeh still scares me though

[radiant meadow]

All the enemies were pretty recently resprited except the minibosses

[hot zephyr]

Enemies and minibosses are fine

I just think the generation is really boring

[radiant meadow]

And Gulper Eel had technical difficulties

[hot zephyr]

The layers are pretty same-y throughout, at least structure wise

[radiant meadow]

Not sure how the generation could be improved while still having some randomness and avoiding the dungeon still

[hot zephyr]

bug fact: you can skip the abyss by fishing until post-polter

Not the width or height, but just the layers themselves

[radiant meadow]

Oh

I like

Murdered crate rewards

[glass sentinel]

thanks

[radiant meadow]

Oops!

[glass sentinel]

leave it to ben to nerf the useful things

[hot zephyr]

:bringe:

Imagine if the lower areas were closer to something like the Deep Grand Reef

I feel like the background walls suffer from the same effect that the old Underworld background used to have; the biome feels really flat

[low comet]

Yeah, you're right.

[hot zephyr]

When 1.3 came and redid the hell background, made the biome feel more open without even touching generation

[low comet]

I guess it doesn't feel like an abyss, kind of like a really big stairwell.

[hot zephyr]

Imagine if the final layer was themed after an inactive volcano instead of just a giant ass pit

Since it is so close to hell

[low comet]

The chaos puffer!

I actually really like that idea, it would make le puffer fit.

Right now, the puffer feels like it should be in the brimstone crags.

[hot zephyr]

I feel like the current Abyss just feels like a big ol pit with a bunch of Sky Islands thrown in

[low comet]

Yeah, which is a shame, because the music is incredible for it.

Hadopelagic pressure gives a feeling of deep exploration, R'lyeh gives a feeling of fear, and void gives a feeling of dread. All of that is my personal opinion on it, but the environment? Not so much.

The enemies are really good for it though, deep sea creature vibes.

[frail mantle]

only problem with Abyss backgrounds would be that backgrounds are massive ass to sprite

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but they're so worth it though

Look at 1.2 hell vs 1.3

Look at most of the 1.4 backgrounds vs their 1.3 variants

[sand umbra]

...what

[hot zephyr]

hm?

[civic notch]

Just saw that suggestion about the astral infection

It suddenly amazes me that the planetoid draedon log doesn’t mention it

[glass sentinel]

@grim tusk really late, but maybe include the brothers in addition to your sugg. like attack delay after the brothers die

[grim tusk]

[glass sentinel]

[golden narwhal]

h

[azure spruce]

how do nu submit suggestion?

[golden narwhal]

If you mean #suggestions-voting, it gets there after 24 hours, if it survives a moderator, which this one won't

[azure spruce]

lol

[golden narwhal]

So, uh, delete or leave it for a moderator for reasons, ig

[cobalt pewter]

Me when

[wispy river]

nvm

[cobalt pewter]

Me when I have to wait for my suggs to voting before sending a new one

How the fuck am I suggesting shit so much

[serene fox]

[dapper coral]

mfw feedzuh contributes to suggs literally 24/7

(i'm kidding it is very cool and epic and please continue doing so)

[serene fox]

feedzuh should have his own sugg channel

iirc

[cobalt pewter]

There are downtimes, but only when I haven't touched cal in a while

[cobalt pewter]

[serene fox]

demik, was that one suggestion per day clause that you discussed a bit ago passed?

[sand umbra]

...so
is anyone gonna address the elephant in the room

anyone at all

[serene fox]

the bug net sugg?

[sand umbra]

yeah

[serene fox]

yeahh

[cobalt pewter]

yeah uh

[dapper coral]

rover said he was gonna reassess stars at some point soon and then that would be addressed

[sand umbra]

like am I the only one that's confused about this

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

[dapper coral]

wait the bug net one isn't gone yet

[cobalt pewter]

That's definitely unique take on stealth

But

Why

[wispy river]

sighs

[dapper coral]

time to go look at what the end result of that convo was

[sleek hornet]

yea thats definitely unique

[cobalt pewter]

[dapper coral]

well it gets an exclam at the very least

[cobalt pewter]

[dapper coral]

because there's no reason that sunken sea needs any of that

or bug net, for that matter

[wispy river]

sighs again...

[glass sentinel]

@azure spruce

you need a title and reasons

[sleek hornet]

and sounds like a SIS

[glass sentinel]

very much so

can a mod remove

@dapper coral delete i think?

[cobalt pewter]

Bruh

[dapper coral]

yeah no

[sleek hornet]

give them a chance

[dapper coral]

no

this is the second time

[glass sentinel]

oh

[dapper coral]

go read the document in the pins @azure spruce

[sleek hornet]

[dapper coral]

another meme sugg and you're getting a warn

[azure spruce]

sorry

didnt read rules earlier couldent find em

[summer sentinel]

I'm just confused about this sugg, that's just it

[wispy river]

You know who did...

[azure spruce]

forgot about how pins worked

[summer sentinel]

Rogue stealth to a bug net hmm yes

[azure spruce]

havent used discord in a while

[glass sentinel]

thats why it's ❗

for valentines day can we use ❣️

[sleek hornet]

make a sugg abot that

[serene fox]

it could be valid if like

the stealth part was removed as a whole

[cobalt pewter]

Maybe make it an upgrade instead

[summer sentinel]

I just see no reason for its addition

[serene fox]

something something so you don't have to slaughter hundreds of mobs for that one item in an otherwise peaceful and relaxing biome

[wispy river]

Any feedback on my suggestion from 6 hours ago?

Il be patient

[earnest cape]

yeah it gud

[serene fox]

you can change the title to "make sulphurous sea lore disable aquatic scourge spawns' or something along those lines

[exotic echo]

Is there an item to prevent the cultists from spawning

[serene fox]

as in, the cultists at the dungeon entrance?

[exotic echo]

yes

[serene fox]

no I don't think so

but why would you want one

[summer sentinel]

To avoid accidentally proc-ing cultist fight during another boss fight I'd imagine

[cobalt pewter]

Not sure if there are any lore items that can do this

[exotic echo]

im playing summoner with a friend currently and everytime im teleporting to the dungeon i accidently kill the cultists and spawn the lunatic cultist

[cobalt pewter]

Or can theoretically do it

[wispy river]

makes sense

since moonlord

[frail mantle]

you can mine where they're supposed to stand

iirc that just makes them unable to exist, since they have fixed spots where they spawn

[exotic echo]

ok thank you

[crude geode]

While I do think ursa sergeant deserves a nerf, I don’t think many calamity players realize it exists Bc it’s acquired from fishing

also I wouldn’t call 35% slight

[cobalt pewter]

I personally like the array of equipment gotten from fishing in astral, due to the theming

But ig it's still fishing

[cobalt pewter]

it still is on the current state of the mod, maybe it won't be slight once movespeed changes rolled out

[crude geode]

35% of anything isn’t slight. It’s pretty significant tbh.

Just say 35% movement speed decrease instead of “slight”

[cobalt pewter]

Mk

[crude geode]

There we go, better to give readers the actual info

[swift wharf]

isnt the 35% decreasae getting ''buffed''

due to move speed rework thing

[crude geode]

It is, but that’s future.

It still doesn’t do anything for the fact that Ursa Seargent gives you Astral Infection immunity

Tbh I feel like suggesting a buff to the “armored plates” of the abyssal diving suit and the ice shield of aquatic heart.

[swift wharf]

and i think you can like

quick swap it

[crude geode]

kinda

Actually just straight up yes this isn’t 1.4

The fact that you only get 15% reduced damage for three hits, then have to wait 3 minutes for the plates to come back just makes it completely unnoticeable.

Maybe I just haven’t seen the use of it, but it just seems really bad.

[worthy lintel]

The plates are getting buffed soon

[earnest cape]

the haunted scroll?

spider pee pee lost nitro

[worthy lintel]

No, Abyssal plates

[earnest cape]

oh

[worthy lintel]

I never was Nitro either lol

[earnest cape]

I guess I was thinking of someone else

[lament saffron]

Phy

[frail mantle]

no

@summer sentinel

you posted basically the same thing in every channel

[ashen warren]

yeah he did

@lament saffron delete it its not a suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

@zenith hazel #suggestions-posting

As well as other channels according to leon ig

[ashen warren]

he just posted the same stuff in almost all channels yea

[frail mantle]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

[frail mantle]

every channel except wiki and bugs

[cobalt pewter]

And meme mp channel

[ashen warren]

mp too

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

Ah

[zenith hazel]

@lament saffron can you not post a random message in multiple channels please? thanks

[ashen warren]

(he deleted them but i think we are going offtopic)

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

[lament saffron]

i was testing if a message could be sent before the channel loads, sorry

[ashen warren]

:|

[zenith hazel]

seems legit

[zealous ridge]

You know the stealth bug thing is mildly interesting but I don’t think it should tie to rogue stealth

maybe just a bug net for the sunken sea that’s crafted from some of those materials found in there, and u can use it against smaller animals in there granted you can catch them

Sort of like lava proof bug net

[gray nebula]

wait does Flamsteed actually give the player summoner damage penalty

[sharp prism]

ive heard people talk about in #help-advice-read-pins and #calamity-mod-talk but im not sure

i think it does though

[cobalt pewter]

Time to ask devs

Wait-

Iban isn't you a coder

😳

[gray nebula]

sugl

if it does it probably shouldn't even go through voting

just instantly report it as a bug

[cobalt pewter]

@cobalt root read above, this could potentially be a bug with interactions between Flamsteed Ring and summon dmg penalty, try asking or checking the pins in #bugs-read-pins first

[tawny garden]

He ain't

[cobalt root]

i'm not 100% sure

[tawny garden]

Fab, Amber, Ozza, Dom and Ben are programmers

[pine star]

Oh

Interesting

[cobalt pewter]

Wrong

Byeah

[sturdy geyser]

that was

DarkTiger36

get it right

smh

[tawny garden]

,

[cobalt pewter]

The DarkTiger36 is the same on here and the server

Can't ya read

[violet minnow]

wait what why is the name green

[velvet locust]

i want this man in the game for 1.5

[sharp prism]

@zenith hazel

[zenith hazel]

no

[tawny garden]

No

[pine star]

NO

[cobalt pewter]

chain

🔫

[violet minnow]

fastest no in the west

[zenith hazel]

if you suggest it I'll shoot it and you down

[sturdy geyser]

pog

[velvet locust]

i want future bosses in the game at least

[zenith hazel]

future bosses are not coming back

[velvet locust]

f

[cobalt pewter]

Fuckin

Read pins

[violet minnow]

why were they there in the first place

[zenith hazel]

it was a rushed concept, kinda

[sharp prism]

also read #rules

🗿

[pine star]

🗿

[velvet locust]

i would like a tribute to the future bosses

like maybe pets

[zenith hazel]

ehhhhhhh

[sharp prism]

the artifacts exist

[zenith hazel]

I don't think any one of us would like to return to future bosses

[tawny garden]

they were carbon copies with stat bloat

[sharp prism]

if they had new attack patterns and shit they couldve been great but they were just a stat bloat like all of master mode

[pine star]

Yeah

They were supposed to be like dream bosses in HK

[wary oasis]

simply giving mastermode eye of cthulhu the ability to teleport would have been brilliant

[pine star]

But they weren't

[sharp prism]

no it wouldnt but back to suggs

[velvet locust]

i would like option to go to previous versions of calamity

[pine star]

DoU was basically almost the exact same as DoG

[cobalt pewter]

#mod-downloads

[velvet locust]

so wulfrum isnt a pain in the ass to get

[wary oasis]

I miss when auric tesla was even more broken op

[sharp prism]

wulfrum is easy to get

anyways

[sleek turret]

#mod-downloads search for older version, idk if Fabsol has a GitHub for oldest versions.

[sharp prism]

can you not

[sleek turret]

stop it.

[velvet locust]

WRONG PICTURE

[sleek turret]

Back to suggestions.

[velvet locust]

oof

[sharp prism]

now im just blocking them

[velvet locust]

now i embarrassed myself

[wary oasis]

bRiNg bAcK tHe lOrDe

[zenith hazel]

the hell happened

[velvet locust]

wrong picture

[zenith hazel]

actually, hold on

odd

[velvet locust]

meant this

sry

[zenith hazel]

wulfrum is not that hard to get

[sleek turret]

Hmm, yeah.

[wary oasis]

its not worth even getting imo

[velvet locust]

what about death mode

[zealous ridge]

The energy cores were initially a little bit difficult but they’ve been made easier to collect

[zenith hazel]

in the multiplayer pt we found like 300 shards in the first hour or so because they spawned a lot

[cobalt pewter]

Just

Move victide to post DS tbh

So that Wulfrum can have any relevancy

[velvet locust]

wulfrum is armor used to get victide

[zenith hazel]

that doesn't sound like a bad idea, but at the very least wulfrum has some uses in ug desert so you can beat up cnidrion

[zealous ridge]

victide being pre ds is entirely seahorses fault

[cobalt pewter]

I think someone suggested it a while back

[sharp prism]

give wulfrum set bonus tbh

[zealous ridge]

I think seahorse just shouldn’t drop shards

[velvet locust]

imma look for mod so i can fight the lorde

[violet minnow]

serousily buff seahorse and move wulfrum armor to post ds

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

[zealous ridge]

U mean victide

[cobalt pewter]

Cnidrion can definitely just drop Victory Shards post-DS

[zealous ridge]

I wouldn’t move wolfram but Vic is ok

[sharp prism]

tbh i wouldve made victide armor use a new material from sandstorms to make phm sandstorms worth it

but thats just me

[violet minnow]

hmm not a bad idea

[cobalt pewter]

No material bloat

[sleek turret]

victide pre-ds is basically min-maxing to this point.

[cobalt pewter]

🔫

[pine star]

🔫

[sharp prism]

.

[violet minnow]

what if victory shards dropped from pre hm sandstorms

and we renamed them

[zealous ridge]

I think victory shards... actually minor hot take
after you beat your first boss u can get victory shards not just from cnidrion but also maybe some other mini bosses

[cobalt pewter]

No reason to?

[velvet locust]

then victide would be a pain in the ass to get

[cobalt pewter]

phm sandstorm isn't supposed to have anything methinks

[velvet locust]

it just there

[cobalt pewter]

Even they don't make Angry Tumblers drpp anything

[sharp prism]

hence why i havent suggested it in #suggestions-posting

[cobalt pewter]

Csl

[zealous ridge]

sandstorm is so shit

but in hm it’s ok

[velvet locust]

make it so that sandstorm has good loot for melee

[pine star]

Not melee

Everybody

[sharp prism]

phm sandstorm is just a irritation currently

[zealous ridge]

Could spawn surface dried seekers during sandstorm

they wouldn’t need to drop anything unique but maybe they drop coral, seashells, or starfish if u need more of that

Minor but potentially a help if u don’t want to walk to the ocean every time you want more for victide

and also don’t want to kill sea honse

[jovial spire]

i mena, sandstorm start happened after DS is dead

and he drops a shitton of victide materials

so that'd be kinda redundant I feel like

[velvet locust]

make cloud elemental spawn more. farming for heart of elementals is pain, and eye of storm just makes it even harder. even if i use a zerg potion nothing spawns. it gets to the point where i have to use cheat sheet.

[sharp prism]

you could just add sea prisms to victide armor recipe to lock it behind ds

[zealous ridge]

well in that case so are aquatic seekers

And aquatic parasites

And aquatic urchins

[jovial spire]

I mean victide is kinda made for exploring the sunken sea

[violet minnow]

What if it worked like this:
Sea horse doesnt drop shards pre - DS
DS stays the same
Stuff in sandstorm drops victide stuff during pre-hm

[jovial spire]

would kinda ruin the point of the armor

[sharp prism]

hm

[zealous ridge]

And I don’t think it would be that redundant

like it’s not supposed to be a reliable source anyways

[velvet locust]

well desert scourge only needs grenades and a platform even in revengence

or death

[zealous ridge]

Yet it is still very possible to not have enough coral stuff to finish off victide bars

[velvet locust]

or Armageddon

[violet minnow]

locking victide behind ds would allow you to explore the SS with it and make wulfrum more viable

[velvet locust]

or dad mode

[zealous ridge]

Specially since, If I recall, he drops less coral than shards

[violet minnow]

well thats why horse exists

[velvet locust]

or dad mode with iron heart

[zealous ridge]

Again horse is rare and not as easily farmable early game due to the nature of exploring the desert

and of course, if you’re willing it’s a more reliable source

in any case it’s tiny lele

[violet minnow]

horse isnt that rare, and you are bound to encounter one or two while trying to get to ss

[zealous ridge]

Well yea

[violet minnow]

unless you play on small worlds

then its rare cause desert smol

[zealous ridge]

Rarer, then, I suppose

and also locked to underground

I’m not trying to argue it’s revolutionary in any case

I would like it, is what I’m saying

if fried seekers hung out on the surface after ds during sandstorms

[violet minnow]

dank Celest says its for exploring the SS so it probably shouldnt have SS materials in it

[cobalt pewter]

Don't add sea prism

[sharp prism]

hm

[zealous ridge]

yea prolly not

[cobalt pewter]

Just make Victory Shards drop from Cnidrion post DS

[sharp prism]

i dont want to say make a new material because material bloat

and doing that locks the weapons to post ds where they dont become as useful

[zealous ridge]

I don’t think the armor and weapons need to be separate imo

a lot of those weapons kind of deserve post ds status

but at the same time

[sharp prism]

hm

[cobalt pewter]

As I said earlier

Nrjfdkfkcickc

[zealous ridge]

yea would be nice to have extra options before

[cobalt pewter]

ye.

[zealous ridge]

well but what do u think about having the weapons also be locked like that

would that be a ok by u

[sharp prism]

i could just say move victide post ds and to buff the weapons

[wispy river]

dank tm i dont like thta

straight up

[cobalt pewter]

That might need dev confirmation on where they're balanced

[sharp prism]

neither do i

[wispy river]

what

?

your sugg

[sharp prism]

oh

[zealous ridge]

yea aren’t we discussing editing it rn

[sharp prism]

i thought you meant this

[zealous ridge]

or is that staying up and we’re discussing other solutions

[cobalt pewter]

Purely because the guy has "victory" on the status, @zenith hazel are the Victide weapons balanced to be post DS atm?

[zenith hazel]

no

kinda

[wispy river]

ye

well not the weapons

[zenith hazel]

they can be used pre-boss, so they're stronger than wulfrum shit ofc

[wispy river]

the armor

[sand umbra]

Victide is in a really awkward spot at the moment, if you ask me

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah we were discussing how to move the Victide stuff to post DS

And how would that affect gear

[zealous ridge]

it’s kinda a fuck

[wispy river]

it kind of already is

not many people farm the mini boss that much

[sand umbra]

wrong

[wispy river]

nvm

i di

d

[sand umbra]

literally everyone and their dog farms cnids

[cobalt pewter]

hnnng

[zealous ridge]

I think some weapons deserve post ds but others not, currently

I don’t think uhh

[sharp prism]

better?

[wispy river]

ignoring that the desert scourge itself drops a ton of victide

[sand umbra]

Victide itself is really awkward imo

[sharp prism]

they both have the same reasoning

[sand umbra]

personally I don't think Victide needs to/should exist

especially if the devs want Wulfrum to mean anything whatsoever

[sharp prism]

^

[gray nebula]

remove cnidrion instead if we're gonna remove something hahha

[wispy river]

no

[cobalt pewter]

Cnidrion mount when 😳

[craggy stratus]

Kil dry horse

[zealous ridge]

dry horse sucks

[cobalt pewter]

Horses are already dry tho

[gray nebula]

stupidass seahorse ft terrible movement I hate it

[zealous ridge]

very bad and it’s gonna be even fucking worse with the new 1.4 desert

[sand umbra]

honestly?

I'd be down

[cobalt pewter]

Haha noclip horse go brr

[zealous ridge]

like u gotta keep that in mind as well

[gray nebula]

this man will noclip through nowhere and ruin your fun

[sand umbra]

not a huge fan of those bastards deciding to just flop on top of me out of nowhere

[zealous ridge]

when this updates to 1.4 the concept will not work

[sand umbra]

I legit would not mind Cnids dying for the 1.4 jump

[craggy stratus]

Shh

[sand umbra]

Amidias' Spark could be moved to DS or a Sunken Sea thing

maybe even (le gasp) from Amidias' shop

[cobalt pewter]

And to an extent, Transformer

hmmng

[hot zephyr]

TFW a Cnidrion jumps on you, breaks eggs and starts rolling cactus

[wispy river]

for rogue victide is almost useless

[gray nebula]

I remember the last time I played calam it was actually straight up unfun to get to the sunken sea

[sand umbra]

tomb crawlers and cnids cannot both exist

[cobalt pewter]

Rogue has a lot of preboss armors, Obsidian, Gladiator, Snow Ruffian

[hot zephyr]

Desert Prowler is also way better for Ranged

[gray nebula]

every time I heard its digging /shoot sound it was just "oh well guess it's time to be instantly murdered by an ennemy coming from nowhere!

[wispy river]

no sulphurous armor

[gray nebula]

actually can't defend yourself from cnidrioks

[zealous ridge]

Push the dry horse into the sunken sea and boom big seahorse floating around, like those seahorse critters but fucking beeg

[sand umbra]

and cnids and rollin' cacti certainly cannot coexist

[cobalt pewter]

This is nightmare incarnate

[sharp prism]

rolling cacti/larva wil 100% be heavily nerfed it calam

[sand umbra]

yeah given 1.4's new UG Desert bullshit I don't think Cnids will be able to stay

[sharp prism]

byeah

[gray nebula]

actually there's a coolass cnid resprite but not implemented because it wouldn't work with its movements

lol

[zealous ridge]

they probably don’t need to be nerfed imo

[sharp prism]

really

[zealous ridge]

the cacti and shit

[brittle nexus]

I find that the ease of getting to the sunken sea is dependent on world gen somehow, some worlds it's a breeze all the time and for some worlds it is the opposite

[craggy pilot]

I don't think cndis have enough of a point to remain in 1.4, at least in my opinion

[gray nebula]

if removing it is out of the question they could get an ai overhaul

[cobalt pewter]

Just rework cnid AI smh my head

[sand umbra]

literally
the ease of getting to the Sunken Sea is a straight-up coin flip

[gray nebula]

make it an actual miniboss it'll be funny

[sand umbra]

either you havw no trouble whatsoever or you spend a fucking hour managing to complete that trip ONCE

[cobalt pewter]

A surface desert miniboss 😳

[hot zephyr]

make cnidrion into a true desert miniboss give it new drops

[cobalt pewter]

So it doesn't noclip like fuck

[violet minnow]

its ment to no clip

[sand umbra]

true minibosses don't exist in Terraria or Calamity, I'm sorry to break this to you

[violet minnow]

thats like its design

[zealous ridge]

they make the ug desert far more cautious which I’m ok with, their damage can be crazy but that’s only like, in master mode which isn’t how rev and death roll

[cobalt pewter]

Imagine noclip being a design for a totally solid horse

[zealous ridge]

I think the traps are interesting

[cobalt pewter]

[violet minnow]

Welcome to terreria where we have bosses and regular dudes with extra health

[hot zephyr]

funny abyss mob

silly clam

[sand umbra]

oh yeah, my mistake

[gray nebula]

clam is a good miniboss

I like it

[zealous ridge]

Clam is mildly ok

[cobalt pewter]

Buff shark dododododo

[sharp prism]

the 1.4 desert is gonna be

[sand umbra]

Calamity has like
one actual miniboss

[gray nebula]

and im p sure nt is also nice

[zealous ridge]

I think his lag can fuck

[sharp prism]

in calam

[violet minnow]

Make Pre-Hardmode Sandstorm enemies drop Coral, Starfish and Seashell.

Currently the only two ways to get these items is by walking all the way to the ocean, which can be quite challenging for an early game character, especially on larger worlds. The other way is by farming a rare mob, the Cnidrion, which isn't too challenging but you need to spend quite a bit of time in the desert to get all you need. By making these pre-hardmode sandstorm enemies drop coral, starfish and seashell it also makes the sandstorm more worthwhile and less of a nuisance event. Overall it makes these items less of a pain to obtain, as well as give actual reason to do the event.

what do people think of this

[sand umbra]

Giant Clam isn't too bad for what it is

[violet minnow]

i have like 3 minutes until i can post it

[zealous ridge]

eh

[sand umbra]

I don't remember Nuclear Terrors doing nearly enough for them to be reasonably classified as post-Polter minibosses

[zealous ridge]

nah I don’t think it super required

[gray nebula]

"make victide even more easy to get" lol

[hot zephyr]

you can farm them by killing Desert Scourge

[brittle nexus]

Problem with that is the only sandstorm exclusive enemy prehm is the tumbleweed

[zealous ridge]

Yea

[sharp prism]

i deleted my first sugg because they had the same reasoning

[violet minnow]

yah but the main point is to make prehm sandstorm worth

[hot zephyr]

it'd have to be conditional, instead of specific enemies

[sharp prism]

as glitch's

[violet minnow]

i probably wont post the second one

[sand umbra]

the problem with minibosses in Terraria and any of its mods is that they have like half an attack on average
for the most part they're just designed as big normal enemies with beefy-ass health pools

[violet minnow]

but there needs to be reasoning to do that event

[sharp prism]

also "this means that there is both reason to go after wulfrom armor"

[zealous ridge]

mini bosses are so shittily designed in terraria

[sand umbra]

even moreso than actual bosses

[zealous ridge]

aside from sand ele tho, I think she’s ok

[sand umbra]

which is saying something because vanilla boss design is terrible

[zealous ridge]

fucking DREAD NAUTILUS

[lusty iris]

nuclear terror is like the only miniboss that I can remember doing shit off the top of my head

[zealous ridge]

WORST SHIT EVER

[wispy river]

no

[lusty iris]

giant clam fits for tis progression too ig

[wispy river]

those are easy just stay in a small boss

[sand umbra]

didn't Dreadnautilus get so much actual stuff it could qualify as a boss

[sharp prism]

the only good vanilla mini bosses are the moon ones

[zealous ridge]

Only 2 real drops

[wispy river]

wdym?

[zealous ridge]

but the boss has fucking 3 attacks

[cobalt pewter]

It gots like, 3 attacks iirc? Dread

[wispy river]

real drops

[zealous ridge]

And all of them are fucking terrible

[wispy river]

no

sanguine staff

[violet minnow]

still its a mini boss

[brittle nexus]

Charge, blood rain shit and minions

[sand umbra]

3 attacks is still more than any other """miniboss""" in the game

[zealous ridge]

Sanguine and the blood moon totem thing

[cobalt pewter]

Sanguine is cool until you got to Desert Tiger

[sand umbra]

(event bosses are a different subject which I will conveniently opt to not get into)

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

that’s all of his unique ones

[wispy river]

noo

sanguine is better than tiger

[sharp prism]

ice golem, sand ele, wyvern, and dread are all not mini bosses for no reason

[zealous ridge]

Sanguine is good

[sharp prism]

in vanilla*

[cobalt pewter]

Nope, after its recent buffs, Desert Tiger is a wholly different beast

[wispy river]

they buffed the mage staff

[zealous ridge]

but tiger is better now yea

[sand umbra]

no, Dreadnautilus is a miniboss

[wispy river]

they nerfed sanguine staff

[sand umbra]

the rest of the ones you mentioned are not at all minibosses though

[cobalt pewter]

Ice Golem only

[zealous ridge]

dreadnautilus has a banner but he’s a fucking mini boss it’s hard to deny

[cobalt pewter]

Shoots laser

Djkfifofofof

[sand umbra]

Ice Golems are just Fighter AI with a laser, Sand Elementals are just hovering AI with a tornado attack, and Wyverns are just flying worms

[brittle nexus]

Oh wait the Martian saucer

[zealous ridge]

by technicality yes, dank

But they’re as hard as a mini boss

[sharp prism]

byeah

[sand umbra]

Saucers are honestly pretty good in terms of actual attack variety

[sharp prism]

they should be

[sand umbra]

the problem is that they're terrible to deal with if you don't have a specific setup/strat and piss easy otherwise

[cobalt pewter]

I think Ice Queen has like 3 modes or sum?

[zealous ridge]

ok anyways

[sand umbra]

...wait a minute

[violet minnow]

ice queen is trash pumking is pog

[zealous ridge]

point is we need better fucking mini bosses

[sand umbra]

this is sugg disc

[zealous ridge]

yea

[cobalt pewter]

lmao

[sand umbra]

I forgot this is where we were

I thought we were in othermod talk

[cobalt pewter]

hnnng

[zealous ridge]

sea horse mini boss good idea, but probably nothing more than that

[sand umbra]

or just anywhere I can yell at people about how Terraria smells

[zealous ridge]

no sugg needed

[violet minnow]

So stuff which someone needs to sugg:

• Make prehm ss worth
• Make mini bosses better

[cobalt pewter]

I mean it works to an extent here

Byeah

[wispy river]

to other talk

[wooden wedge]

i thought dogs ai was changed already

or was that for later

(are ai suggs like this even allowed????)

[sharp prism]

he travels so fast offscreen he goes out of bounds and the head and body get separated.

thats 100% a bug

[dapper coral]

it's way too vague
and also yeah that thing is a bug

[wooden wedge]

bug sug

@velvet locust read above

[civic notch]

Idk I kinda like having victide being harder to get but better

[zenith hazel]

we're not changing boss AIs for a while

[civic notch]

Wulfrum is a very cheap easy to get alternative

[zenith hazel]

and by a while I mean a long while

and yeah that's a bug regardless so

report it in #bugs-read-pins and show evidence @velvet locust

[velvet locust]

ok

[gritty kiln]

Exactly. Not sure what the idea is that items at the same stage of progression can't be better than others, even if they're harder to get or require more (or rare) materials to craft.

[velvet locust]

once i get to that stage in my summoner playthrough

or once my godamn computer starts working

[wooden wedge]

how long has it been broken for then?

[sharp prism]

it also sounds like a mod conflict

but #bugs-read-pins

[velvet locust]

for some reason it is disconnected to internet

and i cant connect it

[wooden wedge]

i mean for how long has this been happening for

[pine star]

How are you using Discord then

[wooden wedge]

because its possible that you were just outdated

[left island]

Something I was just thinking of when certain characters are added, adding boss drop vanity sets, perhaps a sort of Exo trooper vanity set for draedon, Yharim’s version of the auric Tesla armour (maybe a cloak similar to the ones the travelling merchant sells) and maybe calamitas’ robes. I just feel like calamity lacks a lot in terms of vanity items, ofc there’s the boss drop masks and the ancient godslayer armour, I just think it would be cool to see certain enemies and bosses drop exclusive vanity sets. And by vanity set I don’t exclusively mean like the older armour sprites, but stuff like the cultist robes etc

[wary oasis]

yes

[sharp prism]

calam vanities exists and it has yharim robe

[wary oasis]

what if ppl dont want to get yet another mod?

[sharp prism]

then thats not my problem

[wary oasis]

you have the personality of a wet sock

[dapper coral]

cal vanities exists for a reason, and it's not like it's a massive content mod
if you don't want to get it, then you miss out on your vanities

besides, it's not cal's job to do what other mods already do

[wary oasis]

Having lore friendly vanity items can only be a good thing

yall forget that these are suggestions and not demands

things that we think will make the mod better

[left island]

True enough. I can understand that mindset. Was just a suggestion.

Calamity is already the largest mod I know of Tmod loaders

[dapper coral]

no one said they weren't
but what's the point of adding in items that literally already exist elsewhere

[wary oasis]

they only exist elsewhere because they dont exist here

[dapper coral]

and as such, they don't need to exist here

[wary oasis]

your logic is something else

[wooden wedge]

if its already made why remake it

itd just be a waste of time

[sharp prism]

thats why there's no pc 2

byeah

[wary oasis]

this is why they are suggestions and not demands

[wooden wedge]

demik was just saying why your sugg wouldnt work

[dapper coral]

and we're telling you that the suggestion is invalidated by the existence of cal vanities

they may be suggestions, but they are still subject to rules and logic

[wary oasis]

and I'm telling you that most of the items in cal vanities should already exist here

but i'm retarded

[ashen warren]

??

[hot zephyr]

Arguing with the moderators isn't going to get you very far, snek.

[dapper coral]

i'm ending this here

[wary oasis]

sweet

[dapper coral]

this is clearly pointless

[wary oasis]

i know

[ashen warren]

[left island]

All I’d say is, and I’m not intending to argue this. But just because a submod exists that add content towards a theme like the music mods or vanities. Doesn’t mean you can’t add those to the mod. It doesn’t have to be 1-1

[wooden wedge]

no

[wary oasis]

fair enough

[wooden wedge]

the only official mods are the main mod and the music mod

so adding stuff from cal vanities would just be stealing

and would invalidate the point of the cal vanities mod

[wary oasis]

why not just incorporate everything there into one big content mod?

[wooden wedge]

because that would be a horrible idea

[dapper coral]

cal vanities is not merging with cal anytime soon

or ever

[sharp prism]

file size and ram usage i would assume

[wary oasis]

Its a suggestion

Not a demand

[wooden wedge]

and we're telling you why your sugg wouldnt work

[wary oasis]

i know

[sharp prism]

then stop trying to argue it

[wooden wedge]

saying "its a sugg" over and over again is just annoying

[wary oasis]

but its fun

[dapper coral]

no, it's not.

stop, or you're getting warned.

[wary oasis]

oh lorde

fine

[wispy river]

i changed the name of my sugg

[wooden wedge]

your title just looks like a statement, and not a suggestion to change anything

[wispy river]

Before it was Sulphurous Sea Lore Funcion

[wooden wedge]

ex. make the sulph seas lore disable as spawns when favorated

[wispy river]

Ok thank you

Changed it

[modern arrow]

You don’t even need ANY skill

Me who died to DoG like 5 times

[coarse bronze]

The problem with DoG is the community

They keep saying to change it

Its AI changes pretty much every update

[lusty iris]

ig that's how it be

[violet minnow]

late game worm boss hard to balance

[lusty iris]

imo worm bosses are hella problematic to implement

without being scuffed in some aspect

their size kinda forces a super uninvolved playstyle where you open minimap and just run away at mach speed shooting at their icon

[coarse bronze]

true

but still

[wispy river]

yeah dog is hard

were you in like normal mode

[coarse bronze]

DoG is heavily influenced by the community

im not saying its hard

[wispy river]

For me it is

ive never done it in death mode

[coarse bronze]

I'm just saying that DoG is always changing because of the community

[wispy river]

ive done it in revengance multiple times

[lusty iris]

I think that worms are kinda messy where up close a lot of their things feels unreactable and unfair but shooting from afar it becomes a joke where you just pray to rngesus that you don't get sniped by lasers cough cough destroyer

I appreciate laser walls because they're consistent regardless of distance

think aquatic scourge is a good example of unfair up close hits where he just randomly does the spin attack with no warning

generally speaking I think a lot of calamity bosses need an indicator for certain attacks because they can randomly do them at close quarters with no real hopes of reacting, pbg overhead dashes are a good example for those and pre nerf is an even better example

[wispy river]

Does plaguebringer goliath still enrage if its on the surface

[void oak]

Yeah

[wispy river]

well than im really good at that boss

[void oak]

Same

I beat rev plaugebringer yesterday

[wispy river]

i did it first try on the surface

in rev mode

as a rogue

and no arena

[void oak]

Ditto!

Did you use corpus?

[wispy river]

yeah

i baught treasure bags

[void oak]

Same

[wispy river]

after farming desert scourge

[void oak]

Wdym?

[wispy river]

the operator npc

[void oak]

Ah

[wispy river]

oh im using other mods

no other content mods tho

[dapper coral]

how does this relate to suggestions

[wispy river]

right

[void oak]

So you brought desert scourge treasure bags?

[wispy river]

no

[lusty iris]

pbg doesn't enrage on surface jungle anymore iirc

she only enrages outside of the jungle

[wispy river]

i used armageddon

[void oak]

In rev it does

[wispy river]

and farmed desert scourge

[void oak]

Ok

[wispy river]

and baught raveger treasure bag

and sold the money i got from the raveger treasure bagh

[lusty iris]

nope

only enrages outside jungle

surface is not enrage

[void oak]

Even in rev?

[dapper coral]

is there a suggestion you are going to make

[void oak]

Revengance?

[dapper coral]

else take it to #calamity-mod-talk

[void oak]

Ah yeah

[lusty iris]

yeah we're hella off topic sorry

[void oak]

I think orala was gonna talk in general

[wispy river]

no/

[void oak]

Cuz they talking about plaugebringer

Aight

[sleek turret]

DoG AI at this day is alright.

No longer laser spam.

[lusty iris]

yeah

[sleek turret]

...and also no more "worm cheese" when DoG entered the purple screen phase and started to move like a real life worm.

[modern arrow]

Real wormy boi

[wary oasis]

wasnt dog way harder before?

he just seems easy now

[sleek turret]

(no its harder)

[wary oasis]

u sure?

[ashen warren]

he seems pretty easy to me besides lazers

[sleek turret]

DoG after 75% P1 changes its AI to more aggresive one.

Like, he wants to fucking ram to you.

[wary oasis]

make dogs entire body an instakill to fuck with players

[sharp prism]

no

[sleek turret]

Armaggedon

[wary oasis]

forgot about that

[sharp prism]

"death mode is meant to be fair and take skill not unfair and pure rng" - fabsol in vc

[dim star]

Armaggedon is easy just don’t get hit

[sleek turret]

Still dangerous to touch DoG's body because of the debuff(s) that inflicts.

God Inferno + Frostburn is

[gusty geode]

Came in super late but
Regarding that thing about finite amounts of sand meaning finite bottles

Antlions

Unless them not producing sand blocks was on all modes and not just Rev+ like I remember

[grim tusk]

@zenith hazel you only placed 1 of the 2 videos in #suggestions-voting

[zenith hazel]

give me the other link

oh wait nvm

[grim tusk]

just take the link from this one, since you deleted the one from #suggestions-posting

[velvet locust]

i got idea, make it so that ds takes less damage from grenades

[zenith hazel]

doesn't he already do that?

[cobalt pewter]

Wh

[velvet locust]

desert scourge

if you use grenades, you melt him in seconds

[zenith hazel]

hmm

[velvet locust]

on expert it does about 13.5% of his hp

[zenith hazel]

are you sure your mod is updated?

because there's no way one grenade does 13.5% with an 80% resist

[velvet locust]

i think im like 3 or 4 0.001's behind

[dapper coral]

you should update fully

[zenith hazel]

then update your mod

and then test it out

[dapper coral]

so you don't make suggs based off outdated info

[velvet locust]

i fought him in about 1.4.4

[zenith hazel]

then fight him again in the latest version

[wispy river]

wait what?

[velvet locust]

once my pc starts working again

[zenith hazel]

and then base your arguments on that

fr, if you're going to make a suggestion regarding the mod, please make sure your mod is fully updated and you have the contemporary experience to suggest smth

because we've had many people making suggestions based on outdated info

[velvet locust]

why doesnt tmod have automatic update option

i didnt know about rust and dust till october

[ashen warren]

The real question is why does storm weaver have a grenade resist.

[wispy river]

just update it when you luanch tmodloader

[velvet locust]

ok

[proper grail]

Very true. I've farmed DS for cash in Armageddon for a while now

[coarse bronze]

#suggestions-voting message

@worthy lintel

n o

Lore exists

[ashen warren]

the mod doesn't always have to adhere to the lore

[coarse bronze]

f-

[dapper coral]

@drowsy halo ...

firstly, read the doc in the pins

[heady storm]

That's not how it works good sir.

[dapper coral]

secondly, don't suggest things if you have nothing to suggest

it's not like it's mandatory or anything

[drowsy halo]

😔
Ok I'll delete my Sugg, but dont say I didn't warn u, it's your loss I won't be there when you find yourself crying over your past mistake aka making me delete my Sugg 😔 👌

There I deleted it

[sharp prism]

[drowsy halo]

it's Gone, reduced to mere atoms, now there's nothing to cherish that one short lived experience 😔

[dapper coral]

you can move on now

[pine star]

[sharp prism]

anyways

[drowsy halo]

I will gladly move on from that devastating time as it caused me too much pain, for days now I've been crying over my suggestions deletion and realised that maybe I should man up and move on

[dapper coral]

if you continue you're getting a warn

[drowsy halo]

😔

[pine star]

[drowsy halo]

Wow who was that dumbass who talked about a deleted Sugg

[dapper coral]

warned, drop it now

[crystal iron]

Wow ngl that was kind of poetic

I wonder what the Sugg was tbh

[tawny garden]

nothing of importance/significance, I assume

[crystal iron]

Ye

[dapper coral]

correct.

[crystal iron]

But judging by the way they spoke it wasn't a real Sugg I assume

[mint orchid]

What happened

[summer sentinel]

It’s nothing really to talk about

[coarse bronze]

Drama?

[worthy lintel]

"””””””””drama"””””””””

And let it die lol

[wispy river]

If my suggestion is at the top of #suggestions-posting does that mean mines either next to have errors or go to #suggestions-voting ?

[crude geode]

next to go

[heady storm]

If it doesn't have any errors (you would have been pinged, and the❗placed if so) then it would be delivered within 24 hours.

[crude geode]

usually if it has a 🗜️ as a react then there's a error with the formatting

[wispy river]

it doesn't have any reactions

[heady storm]

Then your suggestion is fine, and will be delivered soon.

[crude geode]

^

[violet dagger]

🗜️ never seen that used before

is it new or smth

[sharp prism]

its new

[heady storm]

strong homing on the weapon and a slight increace to fire rate
Thought it already had these.

@river path it'd be substantial to test it against appropriate bosses and record kill times for your suggestion.

[glass sentinel]

has ele blaster been buffed recently?

[hot zephyr]

Doesn't ele blaster have really strong homing?

[river path]

ok

[glass sentinel]

it does

[unreal viper]

No need to specfic ideasd

[whole sedge]

Yeah doesn't it already have both

[unreal viper]

Just say that it's powerful

Use evidence

[hot zephyr]

Also, if you're looking for ranged weapons Astral Defeat has higher DPS

[unreal viper]

Then say nerf it

The devs will figure out how

[river path]

i was thinging it could be a good begginer weapon, with low dps but high homing

[wispy river]

no elemental blaster has higher dps

[unreal viper]

It seems to already accomplish that

[river path]

but i can easly reach 10k dps with ranger equipment

[unreal viper]

You could mentin the homing

Homing weapons woulds have lower dps due to being eaiser to use

[wispy river]

would that nerf it or make it better lol

[sleek hornet]

Elemetal Blaster is good because its the only flamethrower at that stage, and also there is Hunter Planar Ripper, shredder, Infinity, onyx chain blaster for guns, Planetary annhhiliation for bows. Pre-Providence weapon chioce isnt always elemental weapon

[wispy river]

for bows astreal defeat too

[glass sentinel]

but it is not OP

by any means

[sleek hornet]

have you used infinity?

[glass sentinel]

what are we basing its op-ness on?

provi or like guards kill time?

[sleek hornet]

of course provi

[glass sentinel]

then nerf effer, mad alch and several other weapons

[wispy river]

i dont think anything needs to change tbh but thats just me

[glass sentinel]

^

[wispy river]

i meant about ranged weapons at that stage

[glass sentinel]

mhm

[grim tusk]

prob ele blaster and eruption need a little nerf but if you want a sugg on nerfing items you need to put like a comparison between weapons at the tier

[terse sundial]

I'm just going to go on a limb and say that all post-ml balance suggestions are pretty irrelevant right now

since we're rebalancing everything according to the new power curve for v1.5.0.001

[velvet locust]

i would like the threats of the ocean floor soundtrack to be implanted into the game

[glass sentinel]

thats a no no

iirc

[wispy river]

i feel like thats in a pin

oh

or the doc

[velvet locust]

and yet again, i forget to read the doc

but if they are not going to use it, why not delete it from the files entirely

[glass sentinel]

wdym delete it from the files

[velvet locust]

there is an unused soundtrack called threats of the ocean floor

[glass sentinel]

yes

but it isnt in the game

[velvet locust]

they stated that they will not use it

[glass sentinel]

its just unused

exactly

so you cant delete it

[velvet locust]

but it is still in the code

[earnest cape]

is it?

huu

huh

[velvet locust]

i think so