Tho I do prefer my proposed examples on lunar wing perks
#suggestions-discussion
cobalt pewter
crisp stump
Basic rock?
pine star
cobalt pewter
- Solar Wings: Constant Solar dash regardless of Solar Blaze charge when wearing Solar Armor
- Vortex Booster: Immunity to Distorted and reduced hover flight time consumption when in Vortex stealth while wearing Vortex Armor
- Nebula Mantle: Player leaves nebula trails which improves magic projectiles that go through the trail while wearing Nebula armor
- Stardust Wings: While wearing Stardust armor, Stardust Guardian will now shoot homing stardust trails at a fast rate when it's behind the player or stationed in a position
- Exodus Wings: Stealth strikes while wearing the wings and Empyrean armor will inflict Whispering Death for a short duration.
crisp stump
I want a special rock
cobalt pewter
Do boss rush. And refrain from talking about it here ig.
lament plume
I would assume they have something planned for the boss rush rock or something after boss rush, but I don’t know
sleek hornet
help i cant think any more reason
lament plume
What
weak field
lament plume
Who are you talking too
Me or the other guy
If you’re talking to me, I was just checking for any confirmation
sleek hornet
im talking about my sugg
tawny garden
RoD is supposed to be hard to obtain
kindred geode
@static rapids with proper weapons, potions,a nd tools, getting everything required for the RoD takes like 30 mins
tawny garden
and I didn't need 3 hours to catch 5 Chaos Fish
kindred geode
better fishing gear is not hard to obtain, and with zerg being post-slime god now it's not hard at all to get the souls or dust
just like
farm above and underground hallow
the mechanical rod is available during hardmode, and the supreme bait tackle box fishing station is craftable and gives you a huge boost to fishing pots
all of the necessary fishing gear to make it drops from sandy/bleached angling kits
one of which drops from the first calamity boss in the game
as a 100% drop
master bait is also easy, fish up a few crates
and then you should be good to get enough chaos fish in like, 10 mins max if you're super unlucky
craggy stratus
Yall dont spam king slime spawn to get soul?
tawny garden
to get soul
sounds like a thing you would do in HK
cobalt pewter
But nohitters already cheat their stuff in anyways
hollow sierra
i think the only places its a must have for me is moon lord and DoG
hollow sierra
trying to leapfrog his head while his laser is going is rough, and don't get me started on dog's drive-by's on death mode
tawny garden
I always have RoD/NR with me but I rarely use it
distant gyro
if you need to rely on rod then cool but you can dodge without it
i keep forgetting i have rod 
hollow sierra
i have NR bound to middle click
kindred geode
i havent played death mode but revengance DoG isn't too hard to dodge for me
more so the laser walls
i get hit by the first batch because i don't press r fast enough
hollow sierra
its a mouse reliant item so it makes sense to have the control for it on the mouse
hand coordination is hard
sleek hornet
but anyway, does my sugg needs an improvement? and if it does, what should i add?
tawny garden
more reasons to mess with worldgen
sleek hornet
i mean temple, abyss, and dungeon are protected from it
or just generate it after minecart tracks
hollow sierra
don't need to use that as urgently so hand coordiantion can handle it
and adrenaline isn't a mechanic that's tied to the mouse either
cobalt pewter
Byeah, RoD is definitely not a mandatory item as much as the sugg suggests
tawny garden
is bot half-dead again
cobalt pewter
Apparently
tawny garden
🎉
tawny garden
Amber said that she implemented some self-checks
that the bot does to revive itself
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
but it might do these at large intervals, like 6 hours or smth like that
cobalt pewter
Yeah, that's why I'd rather wait and see if the sugg is delivered by the time pbg's time went off
Then maybe the first 2 suggs in posting can be delivered manually
tawny garden
apparently it's still a bit alive cause it can remove my ❗ if I add one to an already ❗-ed sugg
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
mb smb can try to see if the manual approval with the ✅ still works
@summer sentinel
distant gyro
it does work
ashen warren
what if only the experienced player can vote on things?
distant gyro
too arbitrary
ashen warren
at least finished the mod once
distant gyro
you can be an experienced spriter, programmer, builder, nohitter, speedrunner, etc
tawny garden
"experienced players" have a vastly different view on the game
than most other players
ashen warren
at least finished the mod once
distant gyro
not even everything here is about the game
ashen warren
making sure the average voter at least knows the content of the mod is my idea
distant gyro
you can't make sure everyone here has finished the mod
ashen warren
what if trivia and you have to at least get one thing right on every subject once to be able to vote
ashen warren
so it can also decrease approval star bloat rate
tawny garden
I am against a fucking quiz
that takes an hour to finish and feels like school """entertainment"""
ashen warren
okay tl;dr for my idea, a trivia for calamity and suggestion voting for every subject and only the experienced enough can answer, this idea can decrease the star needed to get idea in more and make voted suggestions more manageable and accurate for the devs
tawny garden
ehhhhhhhhhhhhh
cobalt pewter
bad like, objectively bad
cobalt pewter
yes Feedza, you first
Hnnnnnng
kindred geode
La sexo
tawny garden
summer sentinel
@tawny garden did you find out your answer to the manual approval?
daring imp
i wanted to share the ideas of endgame armors i got for every class
frail mantle
that'd most likely fall under SIS
cobalt pewter
No
tawny garden
Did you read the doc
cobalt pewter
Read pins
tawny garden
You didn't, because you asked "sis?"
daring imp
but can i still talk about it there? even if i'm not gonna make it into a post in #suggestions-posting
frail mantle
not really a point of talking about it in here if it's not related to any suggestion you're making
frail mantle
i suppose you could probably put it in cmt? not sure
daring imp
cmt?
frail mantle
calamity mod talk
daring imp
oh
summer sentinel
I tried putitng ✅ on the sugg that should've been passed 2 hours ago and it did not work, so manual approval may just be broken rn
summer sentinel
@ashen warren for your suggestion: you have to properly format it where there is a line break in between your header of the suggestion and then the explanation for it, otherwise it can't be passed to voting
robust lava
Isn't what they've done sufficient for the bot? The space at the start is kinda weird though
dapper coral
that is already sufficient, yes
summer sentinel
it's sufficient enough readability wise yes, but the suggestion bot ran into an error due to the formatting so it needs a more dignified line break to it
dapper coral
wait, did they just put like a thousand spaces instead of a line break
i can't tell
whole sedge
Yeah they did
violet minnow
oof
distant gyro
@summer sentinel @tawny garden manual approval has been working for as long as I have tried
I said "it does work" earlier
tawny garden
violet minnow
the sugg is just like this spaces no line break
summer sentinel
considering it was the first suggestion that I tried to manually approve and it didn't work, I presumed it didn't work since I had no other avenue to test, then when I tried it on another sugg, it worked, so yeah it did work except for this 1 case
tawny garden
Oh, so the bot does break if you have no linebreak?
summer sentinel
the way they formatted the suggestion makes it "read" it as an entire header or something since they, uh, uniquely put a bunch of spaces
from what I've gathered yeah
tawny garden
How did Mrrp's one work then
distant gyro
magic
tawny garden
summer sentinel
it didn't have a line break but it also had technically proper formatting that was different of this suggestion from the user groovin
tawny garden
Ohhhhhh
I remember now
Righht
An embed title can have at most 256 characters
That's why it didn't work
summer sentinel
that'd make sense yeah, for now just wait on the sugg
long vault
You use the flare gun to farm bait in the jungle. That's already more useful than most tools throughout the entire game
verbal plank
not intented, and not that useful outside of early game
because once you have some bait your pretty much never gonna run out if your doing fishing shit
especially with ds dropping everything you need
radiant meadow
@summer sentinel
Having the bandit sell the sharpening station for example, seems the most optimal due to the parallel unlocking of bewitching table buying via witch doctor, but any NPC selling it will also suffice.
Witch Doctor sells them if the Wizard is alive, so only hardmode. There's no parallel here.
summer sentinel
she doesn’t sell it right after Skeletron? okay I’ll edit my post
radiant meadow
Witch Doctor is a he, but yes
tropic yoke
Yo...
Idea...
WoF spawns HM metals when it's killed so you don't have to worry about not having enough altars.
tropic yoke
Because altars spawn less and less ore every time you break one, and grinding for Titanium can get really tedious.
radiant meadow
Exactly how much Titanium do you need?
That you don't have enough altars to smash
tropic yoke
I can never find any
radiant meadow
Do you use spelunker potions? and the metal detector helps
tropic yoke
I've tried that
And generating the opposite metal would be cool, too.
It'd mean you don't have to make another world for them.
radiant meadow
Well, making WoF spawn ores won't be much different than smashing an altar.
tropic yoke
Then why does ML spawn luminite now?
radiant meadow
If you really want the opposite metal, you can use crates.
hot zephyr
Reject Titanium, embrace Daedalus
summer sentinel
try finding titanium or adamantite in the walls and crevices in hell with spelunkers as that should aid
tropic yoke
nvm
radiant meadow
Redoing the lunar events is a whole lot different than smashing an altar.
hot zephyr
tbh the three hardmode ores are kinda useless in Calamity
At least compared to Vanilla
tropic yoke
Why tf does every ore set in Calamity have to overshadow the vanilla sets?
radiant meadow
It doesn't
hardy dock
Yeah me neither
hot zephyr
@unreal viper
tropic yoke
It's easier to kill Golem and go to the Abyss
hardy dock
As is Beetle
tropic yoke
Never used mage
unreal viper
Spectre, reaver and brimflame are all quite good
radiant meadow
There are a number of vanilla sets that are still viable
hardy dock
What do you guys think of Ranger in Calamity
unreal viper
Yes
hot zephyr
literally Crimson armor is top tier if you're prog skipping
tropic yoke
No
unreal viper
Crimson is a good armor for survivability
tropic yoke
prog skipping bad idea
tropic yoke
Why'd you get Reaver when you can kill the Golem which is easier than Plantera and take 5 minutes to grind for Scoria Ore in the Abyss?
unreal viper
Calamity does have issues with armies getting overshadowed tho
Like reaver is overshadowed even by on tier armors
radiant meadow
Reaver armor is getting some changes next update.
tawny garden
unreal viper
Like what
radiant meadow
Hey, I can't spoil everything now.
tropic yoke
Also, why does Tarragon Armour exist if you can skip to Bloodflare because Polterghast is almost objectively easier?
unreal viper
Eh
radiant meadow
You'll find out never™️ soon™️
unreal viper
Polter is harder now
tropic yoke
Still babby compared to both provs
It's just not going to be able to top a bullet-hell boss.
radiant meadow
Whichever boss is more difficult is very subjective
unreal viper
The problem with tarragon is that it’s very boring, but not really overshadowed imo
tropic yoke
I've never beaten Providence before Polterghast.
radiant meadow
They each are very different from each other hitting different player's strengths and weaknesses
unreal viper
Yeah
tropic yoke
Polterghast gets you SO many more benefits, too.
You get access to 3 item sets if you kill it.
unreal viper
Problem sets are mostly in hardmode
radiant meadow
Prov also unlocks like 3 item sets
unreal viper
In terms of armor
tropic yoke
But they are worse because Polter is supposed to be later in progression
unreal viper
You still have a few like godslayer summoner which gets invalidated by fearmomgwr
tropic yoke
I do not believe that Sirius can be worse than the blades in any way.
or wtvtf the new prov summon item is
cobalt pewter
Polter is supposed to be later yes, but just because non-linearity exist, you can't just say that tarragon is irrelevant because you can do polter pre provi
tropic yoke
But tarragon is worse than Bloodflare in almost every way
cobalt pewter
Hell, the only armor set you'd unlock if you got to polter pre provi isn't even Bloodflare
It's Omega Blue
But eh
unreal viper
Comparing pml armors is suffering
tropic yoke
Oh yeah forgot about having to kill Providence to get BF
unreal viper
So idk of tarragon is even worse
tropic yoke
Bad choice >:(
unreal viper
I think so
cobalt pewter
I personally think armors are fine in terms of intended progression path of pml
unreal viper
Main problem pml is a lack of variety
Still, leemee help you with a sugg about invalidated armors
cobalt pewter
I probably won't say much about tarra armor itself, as half of it is pretty alright in set bonuses (aside from ranged and summon)
tropic yoke
Summon ;-;
unreal viper
If you wanna make it I’ll help you
cobalt pewter
Summon tarra is 
tropic yoke
Why does Sirius have to be the absolute worst item to use against Providence?
unreal viper
Good examples are Daedalus vs the hard mode ore sets
cobalt pewter
Why not Calamari
unreal viper
Hydro vs beetle
tropic yoke
It does just enough DPS to summon the guardians right when the health orb phase starts.
unreal viper
And astral vs everything tbh
tropic yoke
Astral is rogue now
unreal viper
Astral armor isn’t
cobalt pewter
@unreal viper you mean the armor issues?
tropic yoke
No more potion effects, either
tropic yoke
The old astral is still around?
lusty iris
astral armor is still mix
unreal viper
Indeed.
tropic yoke
Huh
unreal viper
Yes.
tropic yoke
thas wack
unreal viper
Yep
tropic yoke
Remember that one time the only suggestion I ever made that got approved was to add ambient objects to the Abyss and it just never happened?
radiant meadow
Not really.
tropic yoke
epic
radiant meadow
And approved suggestions are not guaranteed to happen.
radiant meadow
Check doesn't even mean approved.
lusty iris
still not guaranteed lol
radiant meadow
That just means it was delivered.
radiant meadow
If it didn't happen, then it didn't get a flag.
tropic yoke
Lemme go searching
whole sedge
They could also still be working on it 
radiant meadow
Check never meant a confirmation that it was going to happen.
tropic yoke
I'd like to think that they didn't make a whole rogue class before some tiles
Wait wtf it was a thumbs up
tf does that mean
radiant meadow
Check the pins
tropic yoke
Bruh
radiant meadow
Thumbs up never meant confirmation either.
tropic yoke
Do not remember the italic text
Still, it should've been a thing.
:(
Abyss forever stimky
radiant meadow
I'd like to think that they didn't make a whole rogue class before some tiles
Improving the rogue class is a higher priority goal, so it's not that surprising.
tropic yoke
The rogue class is a bloated fuckin' corpse at this point
More rogue items than summon
tropic yoke
Probably mage and summon combined
radiant meadow
I mean, rogue is all Calamity
robust lava
I don't think having more items than summon makes it bloated. Summon is underdeveloped, so having more than that is good
radiant meadow
It doesn't have any vanilla supplement.
cobalt pewter
What
tropic yoke
Lemme do a count
sturdy geyser
one of the reason summoner has less content is due to two reasons imo
sturdy geyser
for one, after you summon a minion they do their thing with no input so in the end, every summon is kinda the same
I'm dom now
i replaced them
ashen warren
crops
hot zephyr
Summoner is waaaay harder to create weapons for than Rogue
cobalt pewter
get real
sturdy geyser
and another thing, summon weapons tend to last longer
due to how they can scale with slots
robust lava
The reason is that you have to sprite and animate summons
hot zephyr
sprite, animate, most of the time they have unique AI
summons generally have more sprites/frames than traditional weapons
you need to sprite both the wand and minion, etc
they're also more difficult to balance due to slots
tawny garden
no?
sturdy geyser
besides taking more sprites, the code tends to be harder to make
sturdy geyser
yes i know
tawny garden
I've never had trouble making them.
because you probably made a piece of shit
sturdy geyser
making good minions is difficult from what i have heard from skilled coders
tropic yoke
- Fuck you
- No
tawny garden
yeah, provide evidence
hot zephyr
Because to me it sounds like you're pulling shit out of your ass
hot zephyr
tbf philo's response wasn't really warranted either
hot zephyr
What's that apart of?
tawny garden
tbf philo's response wasn't really warranted either
(yeah)
tropic yoke
Back to hunting for people to sprite for
tawny garden
why does it swing like a pendulum of an old clock
tropic yoke
The drone is swinging it around
hot zephyr
When I went through my summon PT, I really never felt like I needed more options, ofc they'd be nice but not necessary
sturdy geyser
but, even if you dont have trouble with minions, doesn't mean that everyone has no trouble
tropic yoke
Hmmm
cobalt pewter
See yeah, thing is, summoners can live with slightly less weappns
tropic yoke
Ravager and PBG were a huge pain in the ass
hot zephyr
'Specially since like 80% of the devs are enrolled in courses, have full time jobs, etc
Ravager and PBG are huge pains in the ass for every class though
cobalt pewter
Rogue is quite unfun vs scal because of the lack of fun (and somewhat viable) weapons
tropic yoke
Can we talk about how PBG is harder than ML?
cobalt pewter
Because every other class that isn't summoner got at least 5 post Yharon weapons
whole sedge
That is pretty subjective really
tawny garden
Because every other class that isn't summoner got at least 5 post Yharon weapons
Magic
cobalt pewter
Isn't magic 5?
tropic yoke
PBG moves faster, does more damage per every hit, has more health (or very close to I'm not gonna look cuz lazy), and I 1-attempted ML and 15-20-attempted PBG
cobalt pewter
In fact, it's the lowest non-summon bar I can think of
cobalt pewter
Byeah
Every other non-summon class got 5 at least
While rogue got 3, 2 of them are quite garbage
tropic yoke
Probably more defense, too, and it spawns other enemies that have their own health which is annoying
cobalt pewter
And one serviceable enough because the other 2 are garbage
sleek hornet
Since been sprited and stuff
what is that?
unreal viper
Hm
My opinion is that summoner has generally enough options, tho it could use more sentries and especially more kinds of minions you actively engage with
tropic yoke
Tried giving it a string from the minion to its projectile, but it did that weird shader thing where it went to the top left of the world ._.
I really want Calamity to add whips
tropic yoke
Well, I just played through Summoner on expert
Might do Rev Rogue and compare
Can't imagine the hell Rev has turned into considering how much pain Expert was
Although, I'd not have to worry about shitty targetting mechanics or 50% damage penalties.
tropic yoke
Gee I wonder why
cobalt pewter
System Bane is pretty cool for events
hot zephyr
PBG is only harder than ML because ML is really easy
tropic yoke
Nonono
cobalt pewter
Wave Pounder is actually usable (what) (how)
ashen warren
how
cobalt pewter
The only problem I have with PBG is really
Just the hitbox
She can poke me even if I'm not physically touching her
unreal viper
Hm
lusty iris
imo I think pbg needs an indicator for when she's right about to dash because she can just sometimes overhead dash with no time to react at all
unreal viper
My problem is cultist easy
lusty iris
that's really the only problem I have with pbg
cobalt pewter
Oh yeah
Crosshair
I wonder why tom's sugg didn't take off
There's not enough telegraphs
unreal viper
You need proper incentive to fight a boss.
tropic yoke
Shoutout consumable auric items amirite lmao
lusty iris
tom's sugg?
unreal viper
What
cobalt pewter
My problem is cultist easy
😔
cobalt pewter
tom's sugg?
cobalt pewter
long vault
@verbal plank it's still more useful than most tools in terraria, when was the last time you used the spadefish, waraxe, paintball gun, etc. Not everything needs to be infinitely useful and the flare gun is already pretty useful in its niche application
even in its base state of "shoot light far away" it's still pretty good earlygame, especially with how revengeance/death revamp the lighting
verbal plank
thats fair, but even then just because it already has a niche use doesn't mean that can't be expanded apon, and possibly fix one of the main issues people have with summoner
long vault
or, since 1.4 is on the horizon just wait for whips implementation instead of redirecting time towards something people probably still wont use
cuz idk bout you but since it's never explicitly stated outside the wiki i imagine most people play summoner by using a different weapon and just having a bunch of summons out
it's not intuitive that not having a summon weapon out reduces their damage because damage is also reduced by defense
verbal plank
except that playstyle is actively punished by the penalty
long vault
actually the MAIN issue I have with summoner is that all the summons are terrible always
the ai does not shoot well, the summons are slow
verbal plank
and while 1.4 does help with summons problems, it doesn't help with when the ai just doesn't work
long vault
earlygame most summons can't even fly which makes fighting the first major boss a right pain in the ass
verbal plank
flare gun change could help that, as long as they actually go to the target
long vault
if you right click with a summon weapon the summons are supposed to prioratise that target
verbal plank
i think addinf different flares to give more depth to summons damage is a good idea as well
long vault
that's already a thing that even vanilla terraria does
verbal plank
except they don't
long vault
because the ai is borked to shit
verbal plank
even in vanilla it's very hit or miss if they decide to listen
ive done summoner twice on master mode
long vault
having another tool that does the same thing is just, eh
verbal plank
i know about the ins and out of targeting
and it doesn't apply to when you just want a general area to be covered
long vault
that's expecting far too much time investment to make it work like that
the already botched ai can't even target 1 thing right
verbal plank
my idea does have problems, but thats what a suggestion is. and would obvious be expanded and fixed ect ect
long vault
let alone target an area
verbal plank
thats fair
long vault
better suggestion: just fix the targetting ai so the summons actually listen lmao
then work from there
verbal plank
have fun working with vanilla code
long vault
which you'd have to do anyway
verbal plank
no? look to summons association, it has its own targeting system conpletely separate from the normal one. though calamity summons dont like to listen to it
long vault
to change a vanilla tool would you not have to alter vanilla code?
or are you suggesting just make a 2nd flare gun that does the things and doesn't actually fix the problem of flare gun only has niche application
why limit it to flare gun? why not make slap hand a summon weapon
verbal plank
because flare gun makes sense in the context of summons. youre shooting a flare that the summons would see and then target
long vault
tldr I don't think this suggestion warrants the time investment to make it work
verbal plank
i shouldve clarified that i meant the targeting code, not flare gun code. but changing weapons is much easier than full on normal features
plus this is 1.3 targeting
not the buffed up 1.4 targeting
thats fair though, summoner is good enough as is. but it can most definitely be so, so much better
whips only fix the problen by giving summoners an op melee weapon thats better than actual melee weapons
tag damage and debuffs are cool as fuck though, personally i hope whips get semi nerfed when we get to 1.4, and not the op as fuck 1.4.1 whips. somewhere inbetween so theyre still fun to use but dont break the game
lusty iris
earlygame most summons can't even fly which makes fighting the first major boss ...
laughs in belladonna spirit
verbal plank
^^^
real steppe
Imo belladonna isnt OP relative to the other classes, other summons just dont compare
lusty iris
Yeah sure but that has nothing to do with my point
Can't talk about not having flying summons when belladonna is a pre boss flying summon that can target through walls
hollow shell
So uh
@near ore Your suggestion's reasoning isn't very readable. Why exactly should we buff Seraph Tracers and its upgrades, if you agree that standalone wings don't get enough use?
And also, "building on some1 elses suggestion" <-- don't say this, because all suggestions are supposed to stand on their own and they get delivered to the developers separately
cobalt pewter
Me when
Me when I said movespeed stat sucks in my Elysian Wings sugg
Then Fab buffed the stat the next day
hollow shell
mm yeah I was aboutta mention that
cobalt pewter
Not sure what to do with the sugg now
hollow shell
I mean
You could remove it and save it for when the Draedon update releases, and see if it still applies
It'll be a while, but
you could
cobalt pewter
Yeah I'll do that
It's not the biggest issue in the mod anyways atm
stealth rogue buffs in 1.5 question mark
tawny garden
@ashen warren will you fix your sugg or not
hollow shell
Did he not?
I see that it's failing to pass but I see a proper line break on my end
Here it is in case something yeety happens:
Make an earth elemental summon
If every other element has a summon why not earth? My idea is that he would circle around the player and shoot enemies with rocks, and occasionally charge at them, the main reason is the earth elemental is the only one with out an accessory and is probably the most challenging early hardmode, if he's to big scale him down a bit.
tawny garden
It's not a linebreak, Rover
hollow shell
(not an uncommon sugg, btw)
tawny garden
It's like a hundred whitespace characters in a row
And the bot tries to fit the entire sugg into the title
hollow shell
???
tawny garden
Cause there's no linebreak and therefore no description as far as the bot is concerned
whole sedge
It looks like a linebreak to me but idk
tawny garden
Open discord on mobile and copy it
hollow shell
I have Android.
tawny garden
Via the menu on long tap
hollow shell
(looks like a line break there too)
cobalt pewter
Make an earth elemental summon
If every other element has a summon why not earth? My idea is that he would circle around the player and shoot enemies with rocks, and occasionally charge at them, the main reason is the earth elemental is the only one with out an accessory and is probably the most challenging early hardmode, if he's to big scale him down a bit.
Nothing wrong?
summer sentinel
Amber had mentioned that the suggestion was being "clumped together" by discord, meaning it was reading it all as one header but no explanation is given (relating to the suggestion)
hollow shell
I think this may be a return of an old issue
A weird line break which parses differently depending on your device
Not a traditional linebreak, therefore causing the bot to not know what to do with it
@ashen warren
hollow shell
It's not a long string of whitespace characters, Philo
tawny garden
Discord doesn't display trailing whitespace
hollow shell
Except that it does
hang on
Except that it
does
oh fuck
Except no, I used a line break there
Even if he had a thousand whitespace characters after his topic sentence that Discord is removing, there's still a line break separation
You can see it in the screenshots I sent
cobalt pewter
Ah
tawny garden
Use a linebreak AND spaces
hollow shell
Ah yeah I see whitespace via copied text on mobile
Discord seems to handle whitespace weird in the message box
hollow shell
I blame Discord
for its inconsistent handling of repeated spaces
(also that reference goes over my head)
hollow shell
Well they clearly did, otherwise they wouldn't've made a special case for trimming it on Desktop
alright so yeah @ashen warren
if you're still reading at this point
Remove those spaces if you're able to
near ore
Ye my bad, im talking like increasing horizontal speed on the boots themselves as an upgrade post ml
ashen warren
@hollow shell fixed the bot not being able to react with 🗜️ to indicate that there's an issue with size on embed title/subject
tawny garden
sharp prism
pogchamp
tawny garden
Might also add to the top message in posting
hollow shell
Added to legend (surprised I haven't hit the length limit yet)
tawny garden
Fun fact:
The embed description also has a limit
But it's 2048 symbols, which is already more than the 2000 limit on non-embed symbols
hollow shell
Thought so.
tawny garden
So we don't have to worry about it
hollow shell
(I wonder if the default message limit is that close to that nice hexadecimal-divisible number for a reason
such as, a memory reason)
tawny garden
Also, while we're here, I once came across this cool thing
!wiki ||User:Temp35||
red stormBOT
||https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/User:Temp35
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Registration date: Feb 4, 2015, 06:42 PM UTC
Edit count: 14878
Global edit count: 15217
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Discord: Sand King#5174
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sharp prism
🗿
hollow shell
Wikibot do the spoils?
hollow shell
Pretty cool actually
hollow shell
||[[Grand Dad]]||
red stormBOT
tawny garden
distant gyro
wow that works
tawny garden
it can spoiler tag the entire embed at once
hollow shell
Neat.
tawny garden
I brought this up cause I thought it'd be cool if the suggbot did this if the entire sugg is in one spoiler
y'know, during spoiler periods
glass sentinel
hollow shell
Could do, yeah
heady storm
Wait a new reaction?
cobalt pewter
It's an automated reaction if a sugg like the one you just moved to voting shows up again
earnest cape
yeah about the stuffs
tawny garden
basically, he sent a lot of whitespace characters instead of a linebreak
and... yeah
tawny garden
🤷♂️
earnest cape
uh I have a question what does the "?" mean
tawny garden
who would win:
a block forged by a goddess
or
some lava boi
earnest cape
crude geode
Just gives space inbetween the sugg title and the content
earnest cape
ah
crude geode
I copied followed in Thomas’ footsteps
tawny garden
but Thomas does ❔
crude geode
Shush
earnest cape
low budget
sharp prism
❓ why
crude geode
exactly
I’m surprised no one has brought this up before, I’ve done it a ton of times
tawny garden
maybe only you are annoyed by this
earnest cape
probably because who even uses the profaned rock for anything
tawny garden
earnest cape
sharp prism
provi when she dies
tawny garden
crude geode
I meant in the question mark byech
tawny garden
ahh
earnest cape
huh
tawny garden
Provi when she dies be like: quick, I need to build a box out of my favorite block before I disappear into dust
sharp prism
tawny garden
same with WoF
heady storm
People can include "?" if they want, not much else to it.
crude geode
Mhm
earnest cape
ye ik just wanted to know what it meant lol
tawny garden
"""Creativity with suggs"""
sharp prism
Creativity? in #suggestions-posting? you must be lying
river glen
what about flare gun gives off more ight
it should make it have a better use
instead of torches
u can use flares
frail mantle
it kinda already has a benefit in that you don't have to be close to whatever you're lighting
though it still isn't very useful
radiant meadow
Flares also work underwater whereas torches do not.
(Glowsticks are also temporary)
coarse bronze
Flares also work underwater whereas torches do not.
c o r a l
cobalt pewter
RoD is just a crutch that's saved only by the fact that you need to hold it
NR is
cobalt pewter
Ye
Just the guy's wording bothers me
Because RoD was, is, and will never be a must have
coarse bronze
but in calamity Rod of Discord is must-have and you always waste your time fishing when you could progress the game, fight bosses and do other cool things.
Main problem are chaos fishes. To get 5 chaos fishes you need around 3 hours of fishing in underground hallow which is extremly painfull.
so that lied
echo kestrel
yeah in a way the poster is convinced you need RoD to progress in calamity
sharp prism
calam makes fishing easier
robust lava
I had not read that sugg yet, but uh, 3 hours to get 5 chaos fish means you are doing something horribly wrong
sharp prism
in vanilla 3 hours is prolly correct but in calam no
robust lava
Even in vanilla I'd say that's a gross overstatement
echo kestrel
yeah you just gotta
- get fishing gear from DS kits
- stack fishing skill
- find big hallow pools
coarse bronze
Even in vanilla I'd say that's a gross overstatement
You must be doing something wrong
echo kestrel
either way i think the intent of RoD craftable in calamity was to make it a definite option for mobility
robust lava
You must be doing something wrong
What do you mean? I'm saying that it would take way less than 3 hours to get 5 chaos fish
coarse bronze
no im saying that you must be doing something wrong if it takes 3 hours to get 5 fish
robust lava
Oh you mean you in general, not me, I see
coarse bronze
yes
hot zephyr
NR even looks and functions like an accessory
unreal viper
That would mean there would be a more significant cost for using it.
sleek girder
i would just use the RoD at that point
coarse bronze
Flare gun as a summoner tool?
sleek girder
instead of NR
coarse bronze
I like that idea
sleek girder
yeah
i think i said something a while ago about a summoner gun acting similar to whips
so im all for it
i feel like whips should get a bit more of a summon boost because you have to get close-up
sleek girder
and its upgrades
i mean they might get swapped over to summoner if this ever happened
since theyre all basically upgrades of the flare gun from what i see
i dont know about elemental blaster though
keen drum
#suggestions-voting message with decent fishing gear i got the 5 fish in like 10 minutes
coarse bronze
so I guess that was a lie
keen drum
alluring bait, supreme fishing gear, fiberglass pole, journeyman bait
coarse bronze
Chaos fish do not take 3 hours to get
coarse bronze
Although Alluring Bait helps majorly with chaos fish farming
coarse bronze
increased chances to get material fish
keen drum
i even got the 5 that quickly with a crate pot on as well
coarse bronze
since chaos fish is used in potion it has higher chance to be found
coarse bronze
so ofc its gonna be more common with alluring bait
keen drum
well yeah but alluring bait is easy to get
fish like another 10 minutes in the abyss
i got 4 in 20 minutes
one for each player on my world
coarse bronze
wait you fish in the abyss?
keen drum
yeah
hollow shell
@crystal iron Point #3 is getting remedied in the future. Probably in the next major update, even.
sturdy geyser
hot zephyr
What was point 3?
craggy stratus
how a class got more legendary than others
crystal iron
Ye
hot zephyr
ah
hollow sierra
classless weapons are tools, not something to be used for actual fighting
if you make actual dps based classless weapons you lessen individual class indentity
tawny garden
long vault
imo classless weapons should do things that normal weapons don't do
IE: applying unique debuffs, buffs, healing
like the slag weapons from borderlands that serve no purpose except to buff the damage of other weapons
hollow sierra
grog nozzle 
long vault
legendaries which while strong, also show up at such a rarity that you don't REALLY need them to progress
sleek girder
pretty sure theyre getting rid of variants in new update
foggy plover
dapper coral
those are dying, yea
radiant meadow
On hold because ele disk SS sounds dumb but it will happen
radiant meadow
This is for next update
foggy plover
the update isnt out yet
radiant meadow
the changelog
foggy plover
yea
sleek girder
calamity loot swap lets you change the variants if youd like to use that
crafts the rogue into melee, melee into rogue
@edgy quiver
edgy quiver
too late i already crafted another one
dapper coral
@ashen warren bot's not passing this one, even with ✅ #suggestions-posting message
crystal iron
My sugg or the one above
radiant meadow
The one Demik linked, by Storm
crystal iron
oh on mobile it redirected me to to my sugg
ashen warren
<@456226577798135808> bot's not passing this one, even with ✅ https://discord.co...
fixed in 30sec when rebooted
dapper coral
👍
violet dagger
Pog the Sugg I made like half a year ago got in (the remove consumable profaned core one)
tawny garden
Yeah, that change is
It's been sugged thrice on my memory
Maybe more
And Trasure Bags for Sentinels is also 
sharp prism
Trasure
whole sedge
tawny garden
Trasure
That error will stay
Thing is
If the Treasure Bag exists, that means there's something in there
Here comes Ben and ruins my hope of getting new sentinel drops
sharp prism
thats what i said
white shard
E
zenith hazel
@white shard can you not spam meaningless messages in multiple channels please? ty
white shard
E
zenith hazel
don't push your luck
white shard
rude-
unreal viper
no
white shard
E
zenith hazel
and warned
white shard
lol i deserved that
unreal viper
Indeed.
meager panther
Yes he does, now stay on topic here, leave if you arent talking about the suggestions
cobalt pewter
Halibut tier scaling for warding
hot zephyr
Delete defense from warding, give it just DR
No need for scaling
Because it'll already scale due to being a %
Or make Warding give +% defense, so it'll scale with your armor/accessories throughout progression
unreal viper
Hm, good idea.
I like the plus defense thing better cuase it synergizes with tank builds.
hot zephyr
Making warding give a % increased defense also means that it'll reward you for specializing in defense in other parts of your loadout
whole sedge
yeah wouldn't the % defense do that better than just +defense regardless
cobalt pewter
The thing with % def is that it's gonna be irrelevant until way later in the game
Trust me, I've considered that before, and maybe it's possible on lategame cal, but in vanilla the change just wouldn't matter
It's easier to do on menacing because damage is fuckshit high anyways
whole sedge
ah yeah true percent stuff kinda sucks early game when warding is kinda really good 
unreal viper
Indeed, yeah.
cobalt pewter
You either need to give a base amount to mitigate early game irrelevancy, or just do smth else
I'm personally down with replacing Warding to just raw DR
cobalt pewter
There's not much you can do for defensive stuff unless you rework warding to be stronger revivify
cobalt pewter
And we can't really give super unique stuff to warding because then you need to rework other acc modifiers to fit
unreal viper
they say we can't do suggs that require too much work and then they rebalance every item that gives movement speed
unreal viper
Counterpoint
dapper coral
you could just set adren to m1
dapper coral
@last spade
unreal viper
Great minds think alike.
dapper coral
dapper coral
this isn't really a common desire iirc so a toggle would perhaps be unnecessary
byeah binding to m1 works fine
craggy stratus
if it is automatic then the 50% DR abuser like me wont be able to use it to tank anymore
dapper coral
so, ima just remove this since an easier solution has been reached
last spade
Yeah no that's fine I was gonna delete anyways
dapper coral
hardy dock
Warding scales with progression in Calamity
whole sedge
Yes it does and this is suggesting that it's changed how it scales to be actually useful lategame
craggy stratus
Interesting sugg
dapper coral
hm
craggy stratus
Kinda make sense
dapper coral
on the one hand, it kinda makes sense
on the other hand, how often do you run into spider nests/cobwebs after getting spider armor in the first place
craggy stratus
^ never
dapper coral
can minions eat cobwebs? because i guess that would be the sole limitation
craggy stratus
Uhm
golden narwhal
Does the reasoning need to be expanded on? I feel like the first sentence implies the reasoning but not sure if it's enough
craggy stratus
I dont think so
dapper coral
i do agree there should be a tad more reasoning
craggy stratus
Dont think summon can destroy cobweb, not sure
dapper coral
and hopefully addressing this
mint orchid
@fringe otter I would say just remove the Hadrian Membrane
dapper coral
on the other hand, how often do you run into spider nests/cobwebs after getting ...
@worn jungle i suggest you read from here and try to amend your sugg based on this
dapper coral
<@!210612139197464577> I would say just remove the Hadrian Membrane
why did you ping someone whose sugg went into voting 2 days ago
it's not like they can do anything about it now
dapper coral
I'm thinking about changing it to something more simple
what are you thinking?
worn jungle
I changed the suggestion
dapper coral
mmkay, i think this could have potential?
considering spider armor is for summoners, you could possibly talk about how extra mobility is extra good because you have to dodge while your summons do the work
distant gyro
it takes away your life but returns you more than it is taken if you hit something
worn jungle
considering spider armor is for summoners, you could possibly talk about how ext...
yep
distant gyro
that's something failed to be mentioned
summer sentinel
latching onto things doesn't reset wing time but grapple hooks do that, but this has potential yeah, the spider armor summons though are more of ground minions though, meaning they are limited in general I think
distant gyro
also blood boiler was the par for old duke at one point wtf happened
whole sedge
Referencing people in VCs saying that blood boiler needs to be reworked feels kinda unneeded to me
radiant meadow
If it doesn't give good damage, shouldn't it just be buffed rather than reworked?
whole sedge
And yeah that also, if the damage is the thing that's lacking why not just buff the damage
dapper coral
the spider armor summons though are more of ground minions though
ice claspers and black hawks exist tho iirc
earnest cape
ice claspers is a great summon if you're lucky enough to get them spawning
real steppe
Actually im more surprised when I saw that Profaned platforms somehow get melted by lava
earnest cape
they do all of the money just get burned very quickly in expert
in fact expert lava slime drops more money than normal mode lava slimes
crude geode
Lava slimes dropping lava is a unique idea, until you realize that it actually stays there
They’re like toxic Minnows but if the clouds they spawned upon death were permanent
frail mantle
make Lava Slimes drop a lava projectile like the Providence stationary blob thingies instead of the actual lava
crude geode
Good idea post it
crude geode
@atomic crag Currently rogue stealth and spam rogue (as some call it) are two very different builds. For example, sky fin bomber is outclassed heavily and quickly by other things in normal rogue, but sky fin bomber can carry a decent stealth rogue build to ML. It’s like true melee v Melee™️
and also rogue specifically has the problem of feeling like another class Bc melee exists and has boomerangs, in a very similar way to rogue having boomerangs
heady storm
Anything wrong with the suggestion?
cobalt pewter
I personally don't really get the actual proposition
Might be just my brain fried after killing scal after my 5th attempt
radiant meadow
They want weapons to have alt fires but these alt fires don't consume stealth?
but if something doesn't consume stealth, it tends to be quite strong
cobalt pewter
Also inconsistency, unless you wanna make some subclass do that, I don't think it'd look well for the class' consistency imo
ashen warren
@glacial flint not the correct formatting
summer sentinel
an item to skip phases for bosses? That seems a little unneeded personally but beyond that, make sure to format the suggestion as said above and to have a proper “title”. While it isn’t required to have a properly written title, it helps increase suggestion readability and convey your points
glacial flint
done
cobalt pewter
@serene fox I did the thing ig, idk if that's the real issue with BH5, just my experience
serene fox
cobalt pewter
real steppe
I agree with that
Also, what if SCal no longer deals contact damage in Sepulcher phases
Or only in the second one at least
earnest cape
feedzuh did the thing
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
Also, what if SCal no longer deals contact damage in Sepulcher phases
I can get behind making her passive during 2nd Sep
Because of, again, Brimstone Monsters
earnest cape
or as I'd like to call them Hage moons
radiant meadow
Terrarian corpses are 50% off though, gotta get that sale
cobalt pewter
Black Friday do be 
crude geode
Brimstone Monsters were a fine addition to the fight before they were changed to start bouncing off each other and moving at Mach 5 (when compared to how they were originally). The player already has an immense load on their mental plate in the SCal fight, especially in regards to Final Bullethell, and forcing them to speed through it goes against everything else in the SCal fight.
cobalt pewter
Indeed
ashen warren
that's a fair sug
hearty yew
an item to skip phases for bosses? That seems a little unneeded personally but b...
It already exists. It's called Hydra
cobalt pewter
I mean
Those weapons suffer the same fate as Jam, to a lesser impact
Heavily limited ammo, making players avoid using them, only for "the best moment" that might as well never come, or ignore them altogether
worthy lintel
ashen warren
my problem with the moons is that they cover about half your screen so brimstone darts may come out of them without you really expecting
atomic yoke
Oh sorry
mighty knot
and the message at the top of #suggestions-posting
should help you out
sleek turret
@atomic yoke you must add a reason to your suggestion + "Cool effects" reason is invalid and a "don't."
atomic yoke
Ok
worn jungle
So about new summoner Drinks from drunk princess
atomic yoke
Dont know
I think that would be cool
So summoners can have more content and power ups
worn jungle
Yep
atomic yoke
And drunk princess too
worn jungle
The only drink that buff their damage is screwdriver but when do you use a projectile based summon before mech bosses or at any point, Most post-Moonlord summons don't have projectiles and they ram into enemys
coarse bronze
AS needs a warning for the spin
worn jungle
agreed
atomic yoke
Banana chief is right
As he said as most of postmoonlord summons dont have projectiles
worn jungle
I'm A really big summoner player too
coarse bronze
True
worn jungle
All the summons you want for scal have no projectiles,Like Pole warper or Cosmic Immaterializer, Staff of Mechworm
coarse bronze
we need more buffs for summoner
swift wharf
atomic yoke
Oh sorry i forgot
worn jungle
Spider armor really needs a buff badly
worn jungle
It's worse then most pre-hardmode sets
atomic yoke
Yep